2020 Election Commentary

[EOTB]

Sit in amusement for the next few days watching the Bush GOP make all the mistakes soy men typically make - thinking they will recapture loyalty to their faction through insulting Trump's supporters and telling them this is for their own good.

My hope, if Trump as I expect doesn't push this to unusual means, is that he ignores protocol and dumps enough dirt to absolutely burn the GOP establishment that pumped the brakes on him in every non-public way it could.

But spilling all the tea with declass the gov doesn't support would be the miracle.  Bush Republicans gloating themselves into a corner requires only playing to type.

So, if I read that right, you're saying Trump will leave the Presidency, and your hope is he burns down the parts of the GOP who do not support him on the way out?

burning the people who false-fronted as allies to him is indirect to further clarifying to the american people the degree to which their government actively disregards their will and interests.  It is the clarity that I want.  I also would be satisfied with what it would do to the copperheads who depend upon the mistaken good will given to them by voters they don't respect.

[Pat]

I've repeatedly said voting is essential to democracy, but individual votes don't matter. Failure to understand that simple distinction is an intellectual failure on your part; and repeatedly denying what I said, and now resorting to insults, is just you being dishonest.

You started with and have more often said that anyone's vote doesn't matter, period. With no qualification. Your trolling amounts to stubbornly moving the goal posts an inch at a time. You'd get insulted less if you would state your positions plainly and honestly up front. And you've deserved every insult I've directed at you. Take a long look in the mirror, if your high-wattage projection doesn't blind you.

I stated that your vote doesn't matter, because it doesn't. I never changed that statement, or qualified it. I made different statements, that supported and rounded out what I believe.

Reading things that aren't there into what other people say, and then resorting to insults and personal attacks when they point out they never said it, is what makes you a Jeff.

[Tubesock Army]

Yes by all means fracture a Republican party that hasn't won the popular vote in decades what possibly could go wrong lmao

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[EOTB]

The concept of addition by subtraction may seem fantastical to some, but yes.  Mistwell is correct that the GOP he likes have directed the agenda for 40 years out of a 170 year-old party.  All that achieves is ensuring the previous agenda never has a political champion - and it is an agenda people wish enacted.  There are many voters who do not vote GOP because they rightly despise the GOP of the last 40 years. 

[Trond]

Yes by all means fracture a Republican party that hasn't won the popular vote in decades what possibly could go wrong lmao

My sides

To be fair, fracturing has been going on in the Democratic party for some time too. Some might say even more than the Republicans.

[oggsmash]

  LOL...right wing terrorists?  You mean the anarchy guys with 3 FBI agents among their ranks?  Are you really falling for that one?  Right wing terrorists DO NOT KIDNAP people.

While right-wing terrorists more often just kill people (and while the Michigan case suggests that they are not very good at planning anything like a kidnapping), the arrested men were decidedly right-wing, however desperately you want to disown them. So your statement is false.

   I can not own them.  I would have to be right wing, and since I do not even at this point know what in the world is a centrist stance about anything I have no idea what I am.  I guess with the neck jarring shifts the country is trying to make to the left on some things I am far right on them at this point?  I just know some feds, I know some actual right wing screw heads.  That was a 'sting' the feds cooked up and recruited for, not something they infiltrated.  Hardline right wing groups do not get infiltrated.  At least not the couple I know of.

[VisionStorm]

Yes by all means fracture a Republican party that hasn't won the popular vote in decades what possibly could go wrong lmao

My sides

To be fair, fracturing has been going on in the Democratic party for some time too. Some might say even more than the Republicans.

The problem is that Democrat voters know that the Democraptic party is war mongering corporatist garbage, but they still vote for it, even if they hate its guts and know that the Democraptic party is NEVER (absofuckinglutely EVER) going to do ANYTHING for them, and is just going to fuel to war machine indefinitely. But the Republicans wised up and won't vote for any Republicant other than Trump. Which is why we're headed for Democraptic control of everything, along with endless wars, corporate censorship, and smug hypocritical, corporatist warmonger supporting pieces of shit in social media--who cheer for big corporations screwing over people they don't like--calling everyone else "right-wing" (which means "evil despicable human being" in current year speak).

Even the big, supposedly "progressive" Democraps, like AOC sold out and are now playing defense for the establishment. But ordinary people drooling imbeciles who still buy it all up, along with her $60 shirts.

[Catulle]

Hardline right wing groups do not get infiltrated.  At least not the couple I know of.

Fricking *Atomwaffen* is a leaky boat. Nazis are, as they say, messy bitches.

[Tubesock Army]

Looks like Sydney Powell's "Military Intelligence Expert" wasn't.

https://www.businessinsider.com/sidney-powells-secret-source-spider-is-actually-an-it-consultant-2020-12

You might say her case is... Kraken up.

Thank you, I'll be here all week. Don't forget to tip your server.

[KingCheops]

burning the people who false-fronted as allies to him is indirect to further clarifying to the american people the degree to which their government actively disregards their will and interests.  It is the clarity that I want.  I also would be satisfied with what it would do to the copperheads who depend upon the mistaken good will given to them by voters they don't respect.

Trump absolutely should burn it all down -- every level, both sides of the aisle.  I'm almost as tired about the fucking "principled conservatives" as I am of the "progressives."  My buddy actually had the fucking gall to tell me he thinks Biden is better than Trump because he's also Catholic and wouldn't shift his position even when pointed out that Biden has voted for babies that survive abortion to be killed.  But you know Trump said a mean thing in a tweet once.

[Snowman0147]

Trump absolutely should burn it all down -- every level, both sides of the aisle.  I'm almost as tired about the fucking "principled conservatives" as I am of the "progressives."  My buddy actually had the fucking gall to tell me he thinks Biden is better than Trump because he's also Catholic and wouldn't shift his position even when pointed out that Biden has voted for babies that survive abortion to be killed.  But you know Trump said a mean thing in a tweet once.

That is a fake Christian right there.  No way will a true believer of Christ will be okay with abortion much less infanticide.

[Pat]

   I can not own them.  I would have to be right wing, and since I do not even at this point know what in the world is a centrist stance about anything I have no idea what I am.  I guess with the neck jarring shifts the country is trying to make to the left on some things I am far right on them at this point?

There's still a significant moderate middle, it's just the people on the left and the right no longer believe it exists. So you if say anything critical to anyone on the left, you're called an extreme right wing lunatic. And if you say anything critical to anyone on the right, you're labeled an extreme progressive whackjob. If you correct them, and state what you actually believe, they'll say you're lying, and they know you don't believe what you believe. This also applies if you don't easily fit on the left-right axis at all.

[EOTB]

The problem with a moderate middle isn't what they believe, it's if they believe in something other than being in the middle.  If the culture moves hard in one particular direction, who used to be moderate should swing to being not-moderate any longer if their beliefs are grounded in a particular ground others are moving away from; i.e., the belief is stable.  If moderation is simply finding wherever the current zeitgeist is and trying to split the loaf between them - I'm not sure that's moderation as a virtue.  That's a manipulatable faction, because all a power group has to do is identify how much farther they need to present from where the middle will try to split the loaf, in order to achieve any particular thing.

[Ratman_tf]

Yes by all means fracture a Republican party that hasn't won the popular vote in decades what possibly could go wrong lmao

My sides

To be fair, fracturing has been going on in the Democratic party for some time too. Some might say even more than the Republicans.

Both parties have indulged in pandering to various interest groups and only playing lip service to the vast middle class whom they claim to represent.
I'll happily munch popcorn and watch them both burn for it.

[rawma]

I stated that your vote doesn't matter, because it doesn't. I never changed that statement, or qualified it. I made different statements, that supported and rounded out what I believe.

How many posts did you state that "your vote doesn't matter" with no qualification or indication that you had any belief that voting was nevertheless important?

The problem for you is that I'm not reading things that aren't there but that you later pretend were.

Not expressing yourself well is what makes you a Pat.