2020 Election Commentary

[jeff37923]

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You are full of more shit than a Christmas turkey.

Your kink is not OK.

Oh, poor jeffy. You haven't had enough attention lately, have you, dear?

Well, you are impervious to reason, so all that is left is mockery and insults.

[EOTB]

In any debate, the parties must agree on the standard of the debate.  What most people who think fraud occurred are doing is something akin to preponderance of the evidence.  And that isn't even a preponderance that fraud certainly occurred, but that the preponderance shows a forensic audit should occur that can more conclusively establish whether or not fraud occurred.

What Jhkim does is very much akin to:



And of course we all laugh at these crowder sketches, but we also all laugh because we know they won't be able to change crowder's mind; what is humorous is that they try and fail miserably.  The joke is literally that people would try to change crowder's mind with information he doesn't consider credible at a basic level. 

Just be aware that you are the person walking up to the table trying to change jhkim's mind. 

Unless those charged can't come up with some plausibly-sounding defense, or some assertion that they did in fact follow the laws, then nothing has to change jhkim's mind.  His standard for agreeing with you is not preponderance of whether there's something stinks here, it's something so open and shut no defense lawyer would think worth any amount of money to front a bullshit defense - or even a simple denial - over.   It would have to be something where the "defendant" said, OK, you got me.  I plead guilty and hope for mercy.

Nothing wrong with taking that stance.  Others should be aware they're walking up to Crowder's table, is all.

As for the DOD/CIA thing, I'm not a Q guy because I think "sit back and trust the plan" is a RINO wet dream.  There's nothing more they would like than for you to sit back and trust a supposed plan, right until the day after it was clear no one was doing what Q said was going to happen.  I suspect Q is all FUD spread by people not supporting Trump at all, aimed at making those who want it to be true complacent that some big thing will happen and all they have to do is...nothing.

But jhkim's assertion that if the DOD/CIA had a shooting incident, that this would be dutifully publicized is likewise ridiculous on its face.  I have no idea if that ever happened and don't expect to ever receive a "yes it did".  But there is some weird sudden undercurrents between the DOD/CIA

https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/pentagon-plans-cut-support-cias-counterterrorism-missions/story?id=74641591

[VisionStorm]

  It doesnt matter anymore.  The whole thing is going to burn unless the doddering fool who breaks his foot chasing his dog naked doesnt get us into a hot war with some small nation post haste after getting sworn in.  I would expect a syria sponsored terror attack sometime in late 2021.   Because they hate democracy and freedom of course.

They apparently passed a new NDAA that limits the President's ability to end wars. The Republic officially no longer exists. We just didn't know it yet. The US belongs to special interests that will keep us in war forever and NO ONE can stop them.

I'm sure that this had nothing to do with Trump (a.k.a. "the Worst President in History™") trying to bring troops back home.

Welcome to the real Cyberpunk 2020 (OK, 2021 by this point, since the year is almost up).

[consolcwby]

REASON.COM, an interesting site full of half-truths, misinformation, and the KOCH BROS. are involved is being touted here??
Look at the trail ~
I Found this:
https://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php/Reason_Foundation
Which led me to this:
https://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=State_Policy_Network
Then to this:
https://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Atlas_Network
Which ends with this:
https://www.alecexposed.org/wiki/ALEC_Exposed

What a chain of coincidence! Must be that either people here think it's a real libertarian site or perhaps they knew it was a front all along!

HAH! Nice try, but I'm not buying!

Welcome to the real Cyberpunk 2020 (OK, 2021 by this point, since the year is almost up).

If you mean broken and as of yet unpatched properly, then yes. 
If you mean Pondsmith's original, then no. 

[consolcwby]

INFO * INFO * INFO
=================================
No such thing as a CONSPIRACY. Nope. No evidence at ALL:
https://t.co/tICfVd52IK
https://t.co/D2joOh8ePj

If TEXAS' CASE is so credible, why aren't all the states joining them in it?...
https://dailycaller.com/2020/12/11/new-california-new-nevada-file-brief-texas-election-challenge-supreme-court/
An attorney claiming to represent "New California State" and "New Nevada State" filed a brief  in support of the Texas-led lawsuit seeking to invalidate the electoral votes of Pennsylvania, Michigan, Wisconsin and Georgia.
"New California State and New Nevada State are directly impacted by the arbitrary and capricious changes in election laws and procedures occurring (sic) with unfortunate regularity in the current States of California and Nevada," the brief, filed by Attorney Robert E. Thomas, reads, making up two new sub-states.
"Part of the reason for the formation of New California State and New Nevada State is to stop the lawless actions of Governors Newsom (California) and Sisolak (Nevada). An opinion by this Court affirming a national, uniform rule of law re-establishing the supremacy of The Electors Clause of...the Constitution will resolve some of the complaints causing the establishment of these new States," the brief continued.
The brief alleges that "in the existing States of California and Nevada" there is a violation of the Equal Protection Clause of the Fourteenth Amendment, noting voters in both states received unsolicited mail-in ballots even though voters are supposed to request an absentee ballot.

...?
https://twitter.com/IvanPentchoukov/status/1337436698666471425
https://twitter.com/RoscoeBDavis1/status/1337455632593653762
Interesting read: https://www.supremecourt.gov/DocketPDF/22/22O155/163506/20201211114620451_Amicus%202020-12-11.pdf

Then there is THE LAW:
https://twitter.com/EliseStefanik/status/1337216800312979456
https://twitter.com/kenblackwell/status/1337064274116669441
https://twitter.com/SCOTUSblog/status/1337419549097025536

Here is an overview: https://v1.nitrocdn.com/PtUefQrfncdsWOjilqcqdvGyQbUvpoWC/assets/desktop/optimized/rev-fd11ab2/media/8c4e4a4b1069e06befff2aa3531a634b.Eo4z6FfXUAYvRLM

Then there is the thing I have been warning everyone about:
https://twitter.com/CodeMonkeyZ/status/1337236430590857216

For those on the outside looking in:
CONCOMMS:

BIDEN/CHINA VERY IMPORTANT MARKER.
Who made it public?
Who really made it public?
Who is making it all public?
WE ARE THE GATEKEEPERS OF ALL [BY ALL WE MEAN ALL] INFORMATION.
U1>CAN>EU>RUSSIA>IRAN>NK>SYRIA>PAK>>>
IRAN NEXT.
$700B – MILITARY [THIS YEAR].
WHY IS THE MILITARY SO IMPORTANT?
RE_READ ALL.
NATIONAL SECURITY.
NATIONAL SECURITY.
These people are STUPID.
Art of the Deal.
TIDAL WAVE INCOMING.
BUCKLE UP.

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WWG1WGA
WH clean SIG.
Marker.
Everything is planned.
Years.
Message.
UNITY.
AWAKENING.
We Fight.
Lexington.
Concord.
STAY TOGETHER.

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First indictment [unseal] will trigger mass pop awakening.
First arrest will verify action and confirm future direction.
They will fight but you are ready.
Marker [9].

https://twitter.com/politico/status/1337422440377540608

What is all this??
https://www.whitehouse.gov/presidential-actions/executive-order-providing-closing-executive-departments-agencies-federal-government-december-24-2020/
George Washington's crossing of the Delaware River, which occurred on the night of December 25–26, 1776, during the American Revolutionary War, was the first move in a surprise attack organized by George Washington against Hessian forces (German auxiliaries in the service of the British) in Trenton, New Jersey, on the morning of December 26. Planned in partial secrecy, Washington led a column of Continental Army troops across the icy Delaware River in a logistically challenging and dangerous operation.

fnord.

[rawma]

It's not a lottery. There isn't a 1:X chance that your vote was the one that put them over the top. Elections, like market transactions, happen on the margin. Prices are determined by what the next person is willing to pay, and elections are decided by the last X people who decided to vote for the candidate of True Evil instead of the candidate of Absolute Evil.

Very close to a lottery; some day the final certified result of an election will differ by one vote, and then everyone who voted for that candidate is a winner! If the count is not so close, then they are all joint winners, that's all.

You could say that you have a 1:X share of the victory, but that's purely symbolic. It's wearing your team colors, or being one voice cheering in the crowd, or one set of arms in a wave that circles the stadium. It's more a ritual dance than anything else. You didn't make it happen, and it will happen if you're not there. But it's a way of asserting you're part of the community.

I don't think encouraging more people to vote adds any value. Democracies need a certain level of voter engagement to function, but there's a point of diminishing returns, and it's not particularly high.

A fully participatory democracy would be a lot more valuable, but that requires far more investment than just voting once every couple of years. In ancient Athens, people who could vote were expected to engage in staggering amounts of public service -- their juries alone had 200 to 1,500 members! The iconic New England townhall was similar. But we've lost that level of personal and collective responsibility. Instead people vote, or tweet, or send prayers, or upvote something, and think they've done their duty to make the world better.

I'm not trying to persuade you that any of these reasons that someone would value voting are correct; only that other people can find value in voting for various reasons. Your nihilism would have nobody vote if you were more persuasive; then the one person who does vote decides everything, and there is a sudden run on voting until we reach enough turnout for your argument to get traction again. So nobody voting when elections exist is not a stable equilibrium.

There are a lot of things in our society that depend on common belief; e.g., paper money has value because enough people believe it has value. Elections and voting may be a similar thing; and their value persists despite low turnouts (or nobody would spend billions of dollars to possibly influence the outcome).

You still haven't said if you vote. I'm not looking for a chance to accuse you of hypocrisy; I'm really just curious.

[Tubesock Army]

SCOTUS just denied the kraken lmao

[rawma]

  LOL...right wing terrorists?  You mean the anarchy guys with 3 FBI agents among their ranks?  Are you really falling for that one?  Right wing terrorists DO NOT KIDNAP people.

While right-wing terrorists more often just kill people (and while the Michigan case suggests that they are not very good at planning anything like a kidnapping), the arrested men were decidedly right-wing, however desperately you want to disown them. So your statement is false.

[rawma]

SCOTUS just denied the kraken lmao

Alito and Thomas would have granted the motion to file a bill of complaint (because they don't think the Supreme Court has discretion to deny such a motion) but they would not "grant other relief" which sounds almost the same; the other seven, including the Trump appointees, dismiss for lack of standing ("Texas has not demonstrated a judicially cognizable interest in the manner in which another State conducts its elections.").

So, Texas AG will probably not get a federal pardon.

[moonsweeper]

  LOL...right wing terrorists?  You mean the anarchy guys with 3 FBI agents among their ranks?  Are you really falling for that one?  Right wing terrorists DO NOT KIDNAP people.

While right-wing terrorists more often just kill people (and while the Michigan case suggests that they are not very good at planning anything like a kidnapping), the arrested men were decidedly right-wing, however desperately you want to disown them. So your statement is false.

actually that LARPer group in Michigan were anarchists, neither right nor left...I mean what sort of right wing militia group doesn't even read Breitbart.

[HappyDaze]

Fap fap fap

You are full of more shit than a Christmas turkey.

Your kink is not OK.

Oh, poor jeffy. You haven't had enough attention lately, have you, dear?

Well, you are impervious to reason, so all that is left is mockery and insults.

You see, jeffy, I'm impervious to the nonsense you and so many others here peddle, yes. And when the mockery comes from a buttnugget like you, well, that means nothing to me, just as you don't.

[HappyDaze]

SCOTUS just denied the kraken lmao

OMG, I'm shocked. No, not shocked. What's the workd that means the complete opposite? Cuz I'm that.

[Shasarak]

  LOL...right wing terrorists?  You mean the anarchy guys with 3 FBI agents among their ranks?  Are you really falling for that one?  Right wing terrorists DO NOT KIDNAP people.

While right-wing terrorists more often just kill people (and while the Michigan case suggests that they are not very good at planning anything like a kidnapping), the arrested men were decidedly right-wing, however desperately you want to disown them. So your statement is false.

actually that LARPer group in Michigan were anarchists, neither right nor left...I mean what sort of right wing militia group doesn't even read Breitbart.

It was the best that the FBI could come up with at short notice.  Give them a break, it is hard to operate in a China Wuhan Virus world.

[Pat]

I'm not trying to persuade you that any of these reasons that someone would value voting are correct; only that other people can find value in voting for various reasons. Your nihilism would have nobody vote if you were more persuasive; then the one person who does vote decides everything, and there is a sudden run on voting until we reach enough turnout for your argument to get traction again. So nobody voting when elections exist is not a stable equilibrium.

There are a lot of things in our society that depend on common belief; e.g., paper money has value because enough people believe it has value. Elections and voting may be a similar thing; and their value persists despite low turnouts (or nobody would spend billions of dollars to possibly influence the outcome).

You still haven't said if you vote. I'm not looking for a chance to accuse you of hypocrisy; I'm really just curious.

There's nothing nihilistic about what I said. That you interpreted that way says a lot about you, and nothing about me. I went out of my way to explain why voting is essential to a democracy, and even had an aside where I lauded the virtues of a fully participatory democracy. All I did was point out a simple truth: Your individual vote doesn't matter. It won't affect any state or national election. And even if we assume your vote will make a difference, the personal reward isn't worth the effort. Because casting an informed vote requires a fair amount of attention and research, and the return to an individual if one candidates wins as opposed to another, tends to be very small and hard to predict.

That's why, as I noted, democracies develop various social structures to encourage people to vote. Team membership is a big one, both party loyalty and patriotism in general. The concept of civic duty is another factor. Even turning elections into the circuses they've become serves that aim. But those are fundamentally emotional appeals, and like other belief systems they often have fictional dogmas, including "every vote matters!" Which, if we want to analyze them, we should recognize as being false.

I've voted in every election since I became old enough to vote, except for one. (Emergency travel and living in a state with onerous absentee ballot provisions that made it impossible to qualify.)

[Elfdart]

Could someone please change Elfdart's diaper?! He shat himself, again!

You have a weird obsession with other people's bowels, but if one were to compile a list of reasons why you're a total fucktard, this fixation of yours on human feces wouldn't break the top ten.