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Re: 2020 Election Commentary
« Reply #1560 on: December 03, 2020, 11:42:46 PM »
First they said there was no proof.
---snippp---
Which reminds me, just recently, the "God-Emperor" just authorized the use of firing squads against those found guilty in federal courts.

That is definitely an interesting turn of events! *laughing*

Keep up the good work, consolcwby!

Semper Fidelis,

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Thanks brother! You keep it up as well! Don't let them breathe! The TRUTH sets ALL FREE!
Those who have eyes to see know it's 2020!
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@EVERYONE,
I'm placing this stuff here, since I'm still researching these I have no commentary yet:
https://twitter.com/TrueCanuck11/status/1334306490392465409
https://twitter.com/MajorPatriot/status/1334303711208894464
https://twitter.com/merissahamilton/status/1334244578405150720
https://twitter.com/PhillDKline/status/1334480215653969923
https://twitter.com/TeamTrump/status/1334566301205925889

JEAN DIXON MOVE OVER! IT'S SHOCKING AND AMAZING PREDICTION TIME!
https://twitter.com/CodeMonkeyZ/status/1334463159952756736
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Related, if there were to exist the situation at noon on January 20 of two simultaneous claims to the status of commander-in-chief—one from previously incumbent president claiming to have been declared re-elected by the outgoing vice president, and the other from the Speaker of the House claiming to assume the status of acting president given the House’s declaration that there is no president-elect because the electoral count remains disputed and incomplete—do military officials, including those responsible for control of nuclear weapons, wishing to obey the lawful commander-in-chief know how to decide who is the lawful commanderin-chief?
Mr Kim may not know it, but it may take a full 6 MONTHS from now, not 2 like he stated. Let's see if Nostrodamus is correct on this...

MR NOSTRODAMUS SAYS:
Military Intelligence versus FBI CIA NSA - No approval or congressional oversight? State Secrets upheld under Supreme Court - Who is the Commander and Chief of the military? Under what article can the President impose Millitary Intelligence take over investigations for the 3 letter agencies? What conditions must present itself? Why is this so VERY important? Who surrounds Trump? Democrats & The Deep Swamp lost this very important power _ the one area of the govt not corrupt and directly serves POTUS.

I SAY:
Military Intelligence has the most access to mined data and classified information. They have the best information gathering tools, They also have more power in general and are devoted to the constitution. MI can take over the investigations for the other three in cases of high treason.
No approval or congressional oversight at all. See: https://www.scribd.com/document/41747792/State-Secrets-and-the-Supreme-Court
MI does not answer to Congress, has the most access to mined data and classified information. They have the best information gathering tools, They also have more power in general and are devoted to the constitution. MI can take over the investigations for the other three in cases of high treason. The State Secrets Act was upheld in the Supreme Court United States v. Reynolds, 345 U.S. 1 (1953) acknowledging the right of the government to exclude evidence in a trial that may harm National Security. The President is the Commander in Chief of the Military and the Chief of Staff is Gen. John Kelly, a Marine. The President can use military (& National Guard) as police force in the event of terrorist act, natural disasters and disorder that state police cannot contain.

What could instigate all this, besides the Election? Take a gander: https://twitter.com/aaronjmate/status/1334532607313317889 || Take a goose: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G2qIXXafxCQ
So, what did YOU take?
The gander?
The goose?
Neither?
Both?
Greedy bastards! ;D
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Re: 2020 Election Commentary
« Reply #1561 on: December 04, 2020, 12:20:21 AM »
Your only objection to the current President-elect declaration that wouldn't have applied in all the elections since 2000 is that Trump hasn't formally conceded to your satisfaction. And you declared that every news medium daring to use the term as it's always been used is lying.
not the only difference.

Yes, it is. Every previous election since the Presidential Transition Act was passed has worked like this one, except for 2000 where the result in Florida and therefore the Electoral College was legitimately uncertain. The loser does not dictate who the President-elect is, no matter how many pointless recounts are demanded, although as in the present case it can be delayed for weeks by tantrums from a losing incumbent.

How can I know Pat is pushing a right-wing perspective, just from the posts I'm replying to? Count the right-wing touchstones:
  • Pat insists that all the media who say "President-elect" are lying; all mainstream media lying is a right-wing shibboleth.
  • Pat says Biden will become "President-elect" but hasn't yet; deriding Biden's victory and legitimacy is half the pages in the current right-wing playbook.
  • Pat cheers for gridlock as "the most I could ever hope for in an election" because the slim chance that the Democrats still take the Senate (barely) is apparently something that would be worse; not liking Democrats alone able to get stuff done if they can bring their most conservative legislators on board is also right wing.
Pat continues to make dishonest, disingenuous arguments, so I'll take the disavowals and denials with ample salt, thank you very much. That jeff37923 mistakes Pat for a left-winger just reflects that jeff37923 is stupid. Why so invested in this election discussion if you have no opinion, Pat, except impartial procedural quibbles that coincidentally align with right-wing interests?

Moving on from talking to Pat...

I will acknowledge that Pat could be some sort of anarchist simply rooting for more chaos; Spinachcat used to pretend to be that kind of unconcern troll, and it seems to be Shasarak's persona. I don't see any value in speculating on whether Pat who walks and sounds like a duck is actually a duck or merely cosplaying a duck, and even less value in taking the duck's word for it.

One remarkable thing at this site is that, while I'm socially and economically liberal, I'm not a Social Justice Warrior or a Marxist or any of the things that idiots on this forum try to label me. I'm a Democrat but no partisan extremist as Pat claims; I've always favored the more centrist and mainstream Democratic candidate from early in the primaries, since 1980. I've criticized jhkim in this very thread; I cannot say whether jhkim is more or less left-wing than me, but I can respect him whether I agree or not. EOTB is clinging to thin straws but is honest enough to abandon debunked talking points and not to pretend the thin straws are two by fours, so I can respect him too even as I almost always disagree (still thinking about that Insurrection Act article).

I am honestly delighted with the outcome of this election, and even the attempts to damage the country in denial of Trump's defeat do not spoil my happiness. Joe Biden is the first President-elect I've actually liked as a person, because he actually has empathy for people. Any of you can claim it's an act; apparently you can simultaneously believe that he's senile, the best debater in modern politics, a walking gaffe machine and a consummate actor who never breaks character. (I guess the practice believing that Obama was a Muslim, an atheist and a radical black Christian all at the same time paid off.)

I recommend visiting https://buildbackbetter.gov/ if only to see if you can find something to complain about, but maybe you can find something positive, no matter how small. At the very least try to tone down the rhetoric about killing people, as the Republican election official in Georgia asked; aside from that one crazy Bernie supporter, that didn't come from any of the people who voted (in greater numbers) against Trump in 2016, and Biden as a former Vice President and Senator does not represent nearly the same risk or uncertainty.

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Re: 2020 Election Commentary
« Reply #1562 on: December 04, 2020, 01:00:51 AM »
If the hypothetical is that fraud is credibly cross-checked by poll counts, then the sum of the mail-in poll counts must be known and public before the tallying of the ballots by the other election workers starts.

if the poll count is simultaneous with the ballot counting, then it's completely irrelevant as a cross check.  They can come up with whatever poll count number they need at
the end.
Edit 2 - note this type of fraud would allow a legitimate voter to surely be able to look up their mail-in ballot and see that its counted...the fraud is in juicing the poll count to match fake ballots no one is going to look up because that voter is simply dead weight on the poorly-purged voter rolls.  You don't have to screw around with failing to input legitimate voters to juice a poll count.  You do all the legitimate voters legitimately, and then add the juice after.

You claim "no one is going to look up" -- but yes, people can and do look this up -- especially the people whose job it is, like observers and workers in the local race. Every county has dozens of poll workers, including observers from both major parties. Again, the poll count is permanent public record. Yeah, I'll buy that someone can slip in a few names without getting caught because there are always a few errors. But adding in thousands of names into a precinct or county list? I don't buy that no one will catch that, especially given the scrutiny given this year.

The poll counts aren't like the secret ballot counts that are restricted access. They're clear public record, and lots of people can and do view them.


No, you don't need every single worker to be in on it.  You really only need whoever releases the final total of the local, and the state, poll counts to be in on it (edit - and only a handful of local poll count supervisors - like in the biggest urban areas).  If there's 524 individual poll books, and everyone knows the subtotal of only a portion out of 1 out of 524 local poll books that they reported up to the local poll count supervisor wearing the biden beanie, but takes the subtotal the entirety of the rest of their 1 local book not counted by themselves and also the entirety of the other 523 on faith, that's not some deeply-layered, hard-to-defraud system.

Many if not most states report on a precinct level, not on a county level. So, for example, you can go here for the county-level results from Georgia.

https://results.enr.clarityelections.com/GA/105369/web.264614/#/reporting

There's 159 counties in Texas, and each are counted and reported individually. And it's not just one person reporting for a given county - there are multiple people working together who verify that their count is correct. So that would require 500 people. (If you go to the right side of the page, you can download county level data.) But counties also produce precinct level reports. So, for example, you can go into detail on Seminole County, and get the breakdown of each precinct.

https://results.enr.clarityelections.com/GA/Seminole/91765/Web02.221448/#/

Again, there's precinct-level data that can be downloaded on the right. There are thousands of precincts which are individually reported. Each of those precincts has multiple officials who have verified the total for that precinct. And there are separate public poll counts and secret ballot counts. And yes, there are people who download and examine that data.

That's not just a handful of people who would have to be in on the secret fraud plan. And we are letting anyone who claims to be a whistleblower to have their day in court, and give their testimony covered in public hearings.

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« Reply #1563 on: December 04, 2020, 01:21:46 AM »
Greetings!

Hodgetwins have the video of Democrats bringing out suitcases of hidden ballots--after ensuring that GOP Poll watchers and media were sent home. The votes were then added in secret in the middle of the night, after telling the GOP and Media that the vote counting was stopped.

We all know though that the filthy lying Liberal Democrats will cry that even video evidence is "Not substantial evidence!"

All the phony ballots need to be thrown the fuck out. Massive voting audits need to be done throughout the contested states.

And the lying, traitor Democrats need to be arrested and hung. All of these clerks and election flunkies and officials, yeah, they get hammered, too.

Semper Fidelis,

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Re: 2020 Election Commentary
« Reply #1564 on: December 04, 2020, 01:50:07 AM »
Greetings!

Hodgetwins have the video of Democrats bringing out suitcases of hidden ballots--after ensuring that GOP Poll watchers and media were sent home. The votes were then added in secret in the middle of the night, after telling the GOP and Media that the vote counting was stopped.

We all know though that the filthy lying Liberal Democrats will cry that even video evidence is "Not substantial evidence!"

All the phony ballots need to be thrown the fuck out. Massive voting audits need to be done throughout the contested states.

And the lying, traitor Democrats need to be arrested and hung. All of these clerks and election flunkies and officials, yeah, they get hammered, too.

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK

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Re: 2020 Election Commentary
« Reply #1565 on: December 04, 2020, 03:05:20 AM »
If the hypothetical is that fraud is credibly cross-checked by poll counts, then the sum of the mail-in poll counts must be known and public before the tallying of the ballots by the other election workers starts.

if the poll count is simultaneous with the ballot counting, then it's completely irrelevant as a cross check.  They can come up with whatever poll count number they need at
the end.
Edit 2 - note this type of fraud would allow a legitimate voter to surely be able to look up their mail-in ballot and see that its counted...the fraud is in juicing the poll count to match fake ballots no one is going to look up because that voter is simply dead weight on the poorly-purged voter rolls.  You don't have to screw around with failing to input legitimate voters to juice a poll count.  You do all the legitimate voters legitimately, and then add the juice after.

You claim "no one is going to look up" -- but yes, people can and do look this up -- especially the people whose job it is, like observers and workers in the local race. Every county has dozens of poll workers, including observers from both major parties. Again, the poll count is permanent public record. Yeah, I'll buy that someone can slip in a few names without getting caught because there are always a few errors. But adding in thousands of names into a precinct or county list? I don't buy that no one will catch that, especially given the scrutiny given this year.

The poll counts aren't like the secret ballot counts that are restricted access. They're clear public record, and lots of people can and do view them.


No, you don't need every single worker to be in on it.  You really only need whoever releases the final total of the local, and the state, poll counts to be in on it (edit - and only a handful of local poll count supervisors - like in the biggest urban areas).  If there's 524 individual poll books, and everyone knows the subtotal of only a portion out of 1 out of 524 local poll books that they reported up to the local poll count supervisor wearing the biden beanie, but takes the subtotal the entirety of the rest of their 1 local book not counted by themselves and also the entirety of the other 523 on faith, that's not some deeply-layered, hard-to-defraud system.

Many if not most states report on a precinct level, not on a county level. So, for example, you can go here for the county-level results from Georgia.

https://results.enr.clarityelections.com/GA/105369/web.264614/#/reporting

There's 159 counties in Texas, and each are counted and reported individually. And it's not just one person reporting for a given county - there are multiple people working together who verify that their count is correct. So that would require 500 people. (If you go to the right side of the page, you can download county level data.) But counties also produce precinct level reports. So, for example, you can go into detail on Seminole County, and get the breakdown of each precinct.

https://results.enr.clarityelections.com/GA/Seminole/91765/Web02.221448/#/

Again, there's precinct-level data that can be downloaded on the right. There are thousands of precincts which are individually reported. Each of those precincts has multiple officials who have verified the total for that precinct. And there are separate public poll counts and secret ballot counts. And yes, there are people who download and examine that data.

That's not just a handful of people who would have to be in on the secret fraud plan. And we are letting anyone who claims to be a whistleblower to have their day in court, and give their testimony covered in public hearings.

You wouldn't have to add names to the voter roll that weren't on it and haven't been on it for some time.  You use names that are already on the voter roll.  "Yep we received a vote from Malcom Y.  Add him to the poll roll".  Malcom Y isn't *actually* voting and hasn't voted for a long time for various reasons (even though a ballot comes in from him every election) but his name is still registered to vote so nothing looks out of sorts when a ballot is received from Malcom, unless someone goes back and checks every name on the roll, cross-referencing the names to stuff like obituaries, postal address changes, legal name changes, etc.  Which is happening this election, but doesn't usually...

We know we've had corruption in our elections for decades.  Not on a handful-of-votes scale, but "how many voters do you need in Chicago, John Kennedy - we'll come in last and make sure its enough" scale.  Let's not pretend that "oh its just a matter of cross-checking names on a spreadsheet and the fraud stands out like a sore thumb."  Urban dem machines have done this all along, it's just on an entirely different scale this time because 4 more years of Trump simply can't be allowed.

EDIT - also, in a state like GA where the difference is less than 1% of the vote, you could make up a lot of that ground just by ... running mail in votes "rejected" for stuff like lack of date, missing a sig on the outside envelope, etc., through the machine in the middle of the night after the poll watchers go home and no one's watching.  Voila: the "rejected" vote is un-rejected by the same people responsible for recording its rejection.
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« Reply #1566 on: December 04, 2020, 03:18:09 AM »
Yes, it is.
No, it's not, for all the reasons I spelled out.

How can I know Pat is pushing a right-wing perspective, just from the posts I'm replying to?
I'm a Democrat but no partisan extremist as Pat claims
You're a partisan extremist because you immediately label anyone who disagrees with you as belonging to the other side of the political axis that that defines your simplistic, binary worldview. Even if you have to listen to dogwhistles nobody else can hear and ignore more than half of what they said, to make the label fit.

Classic Jeff.

[talk about how I (Pat) favor a split Congress, regardless of which party holds the presidency]

I will acknowledge that Pat could be some sort of anarchist simply rooting for more chaos;
If you're A, and you admit someone else could be either B or C, then why are you insisting they're B? Especially since you're talking about a person, who has told you repeatedly they're not B, and gave examples why B doesn't fit. In addition, it requires a real contortion of logic to assume that someone who favors the hobbling of both A and B really supports B. Or that someone who supports limiting both A and B must be a disciple of Eris (C), because you can't conceive of an alphabet with more than 3 letters.

If you were more honest, you'd just address what I said, instead of falsely pigeonholing me.
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Re: 2020 Election Commentary
« Reply #1567 on: December 04, 2020, 05:06:17 AM »
You claim "no one is going to look up" -- but yes, people can and do look this up -- especially the people whose job it is, like observers and workers in the local race. Every county has dozens of poll workers, including observers from both major parties. Again, the poll count is permanent public record. Yeah, I'll buy that someone can slip in a few names without getting caught because there are always a few errors. But adding in thousands of names into a precinct or county list? I don't buy that no one will catch that, especially given the scrutiny given this year.
You wouldn't have to add names to the voter roll that weren't on it and haven't been on it for some time.  You use names that are already on the voter roll.  "Yep we received a vote from Malcom Y.  Add him to the poll roll".  Malcom Y isn't *actually* voting and hasn't voted for a long time for various reasons (even though a ballot comes in from him every election) but his name is still registered to vote so nothing looks out of sorts when a ballot is received from Malcom, unless someone goes back and checks every name on the roll, cross-referencing the names to stuff like obituaries, postal address changes, legal name changes, etc.  Which is happening this election, but doesn't usually...

But as you just said, there *are* people checking it in this election. And when it happens on the public record, it is indelible proof - a dead person can't vote, or the non-voting person can prove that they didn't vote as claimed. If there really were hundreds of thousands of manufactured votes in this fashion, then these searches should be turning up at least hundreds of examples. For example, there have been a lot of claims about dead people voting in this election -- Tucker Carlson singled out one case in particular, saying "No one quite embodies that story like James Blalock". But shortly after this, Tucker Carlson issued an on-air apology because his prime example was false.

https://thehill.com/homenews/media/525980-tucker-carlson-issues-on-air-apology-over-georgia-voter-claims

And there have been examples of trying this - like the Pennsylvania Republican man arrested after trying to sign his dead mother to vote.

https://www.pennlive.com/news/2020/10/pa-man-accused-of-trying-to-sign-his-dead-mother-up-for-mail-in-voting.html

I'm sure that there are some more genuine cases of this sort of fraud which haven't been caught. But after the massive scrutiny going on, Carlson couldn't bring up even a single clear example of this. That doesn't line up with there being hundreds of thousands of cases there available on public record.


We know we've had corruption in our elections for decades.  Not on a handful-of-votes scale, but "how many voters do you need in Chicago, John Kennedy - we'll come in last and make sure its enough" scale.  Let's not pretend that "oh its just a matter of cross-checking names on a spreadsheet and the fraud stands out like a sore thumb."  Urban dem machines have done this all along, it's just on an entirely different scale this time because 4 more years of Trump simply can't be allowed.

No, I don't accept this. There are dozens of cases of fraud which are caught each year. The Heritage Foundation has a database of 1302 cases of proven fraud spread over many elections, leading to 1125 criminal convictions.

https://www.heritage.org/voterfraud

And yes, a lot of these cases are indeed urban Democrats. That doesn't suggest to me that they are acting with impunity. These cases were caught and prosecuted because the checks worked. I'm not claiming it's foolproof, but it is at least capable of working.


EDIT - also, in a state like GA where the difference is less than 1% of the vote, you could make up a lot of that ground just by ... running mail in votes "rejected" for stuff like lack of date, missing a sig on the outside envelope, etc., through the machine in the middle of the night after the poll watchers go home and no one's watching.  Voila: the "rejected" vote is un-rejected by the same people responsible for recording its rejection.

If the envelopes were rejected at all, then the poll count would have marked those voters as not voting. And again, the poll count is public record. In any secret ballot system, the people who are counting up the ballots won't be the same as the ones checking signatures -- because the whole point of the process is that no one should know which signature goes with which ballot.

Now, as I said before, if you presume enough people in the system all intent on fraud -- then yeah, the envelope checkers could conspire with the ballot-counters, and have some system to throw off the count. But again, this counting is happening across thousands of precincts. Each one is only responsible for a small fraction of the rejected ballots. To collect up over 12,000 such votes (the margin in Georgia), it would take a lot of people in on the plan, and if any one of them loses his nerve, he could rat out the others with ironclad proof. And the other battleground states have larger margins - like 150,000 votes in Michigan.

To be clear, we should definitely investigate if this has happened. The various claims should be followed up on in court, and investigated. If there really is fraud happening, then I think the courts have a good chance to catch it. I think uncatchable criminal masterminds are mostly the stuff of movies, not reality. When I look at government-managed operations like Watergate or the Bay of Pigs and others, they're full of mistakes.

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Re: 2020 Election Commentary
« Reply #1568 on: December 04, 2020, 07:43:33 AM »
Greetings!

Hodgetwins have the video of Democrats bringing out suitcases of hidden ballots--after ensuring that GOP Poll watchers and media were sent home. The votes were then added in secret in the middle of the night, after telling the GOP and Media that the vote counting was stopped.

We all know though that the filthy lying Liberal Democrats will cry that even video evidence is "Not substantial evidence!"

All the phony ballots need to be thrown the fuck out. Massive voting audits need to be done throughout the contested states.

And the lying, traitor Democrats need to be arrested and hung. All of these clerks and election flunkies and officials, yeah, they get hammered, too.

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK


I will agree that there is a strong appearance of improper conduct. Everywhere I've ever worked, the basic idea was that "if it looks improper, then treat it as improper" so as to stay above suspicion. They have failed on this point, yet that sadly seems common enough in politics.

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Re: 2020 Election Commentary
« Reply #1569 on: December 04, 2020, 07:45:59 AM »

You're a poster on theRPGsite because you immediately label anyone who disagrees with you as belonging to the other side of the political axis that that defines your simplistic, binary worldview. Even if you have to listen to dogwhistles nobody else can hear and ignore more than half of what they said, to make the label fit.

Fixed that for you.

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Re: 2020 Election Commentary
« Reply #1570 on: December 04, 2020, 09:33:43 AM »
Greetings!

Hodgetwins have the video of Democrats bringing out suitcases of hidden ballots--after ensuring that GOP Poll watchers and media were sent home. The votes were then added in secret in the middle of the night, after telling the GOP and Media that the vote counting was stopped.

We all know though that the filthy lying Liberal Democrats will cry that even video evidence is "Not substantial evidence!"

All the phony ballots need to be thrown the fuck out. Massive voting audits need to be done throughout the contested states.

And the lying, traitor Democrats need to be arrested and hung. All of these clerks and election flunkies and officials, yeah, they get hammered, too.

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK


I will agree that there is a strong appearance of improper conduct. Everywhere I've ever worked, the basic idea was that "if it looks improper, then treat it as improper" so as to stay above suspicion. They have failed on this point, yet that sadly seems common enough in politics.

Greetings!

Damn right it looks improper. I also understand that the Democrats here in the video that are processing ballots? That is absolutely against the law, and hugely against all the known regulations. Such unethical and criminal actions will get every one of these people in prison. It is monstrous.

If this election had this level of corruption, fraud, and duplicity being committed by Republicans--damn right they would need to go to prison as well. All of this is so horrifying and terrible. It should enrage every American citizen. As you mention, corruption is pretty ordinary in politics, even our own. I have in the past proudly defended the United States elections to my friends, family, work colleagues and such, as well as friends that are foreign immigrants. Foreign born friends often lament the huge, systemic and tragic corruption and fraud in their home countries, and skeptically doubted that America was any better--just better at hiding it.

I said "No, no. America works hard at keeping our elections free and fair. Americans historically cherish honesty, integrity, and fairness. Our election trustworthiness is sacred!"

Now, sadly, I am coming around to seeing that we have become a nation covered in shit. "The Emperor has no clothes!" We have become a fucking banana republic, wallowing in shit. All the world looks upon us with horror, shame, and mockery.

Fucking unbelievable. This is all a reflection of the goddamned TDS--Trump Derangement Syndrome. These cock-sucking corrupt fucking Democrats have swallowed the fucking Marxist Kool-Aid and think they are fighting against fucking Hitler and the Nazis, therefore they can proceed to force their victory "By Any Means Necessary!"

Geesus. This is so sad. The TRUTH is coming out.

An interesting aside, though not unsurprising. The MSM has been utterly silent on this video, and has ignored it.

That is why more and more people are tuning in to alternative media, and absolutely do not trust MSM at all, and laugh at them. In alternative media, this video is *everywhere*.

The Democrats are going to burn for this. This will open the gates to more investigations, and as the hot lamps are brought overhead of the people involved, they will squeal. They will fucking sing, and more and more Democrats--lawyers, tech people, judges, officials, and politicians are all going to burn for this. I also continue to hear that a good number of corrupt Republicans may be guilty as well of cooperating with various Democrats to subvert this election with such fraud and corruption. They are such greedy fuckers. I hope they have plenty of oil in the frying pan for them all.

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Re: 2020 Election Commentary
« Reply #1571 on: December 04, 2020, 11:43:50 AM »
Greetings!

Here is a video of the powerful rally held in Georgia, hosted by attorney Lin Wood, Sidney Powell, and Representative Vernon Jones.

Amazing rally!

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Re: 2020 Election Commentary
« Reply #1572 on: December 04, 2020, 11:55:02 AM »
5 days left until safe harbor day. All state election disputes—including court challenges and recounts—must be resolved by that date, in accordance with 3 U.S.C. § 5.

Electors vote Dec 14.

"HAHAHA we can run out the clock and then its too late to change it even if a majority of people have lost all faith in what happened"

You keep telling people that misty.  It may not turn out as you smugly insist it must.  I'd think people who want Trump to go away would be most keenly interested in the people who support him truly feeling he lost fairly.  But it looks like your side is willing to rest its case on "too late to file" excuses instead.  Works fine for me.  There is always going to be a DAT (day after Trump).  And right now, how people feel about your team if DAT comes sooner than they'd want is...right about where I'd hope it was.

There is nothing which can convince the "Election was stolen" people that it was a legit election in any reasonable time (years). It's based on crazy conspiracy theories which can neither be proven nor disproved. It's like Kennedy assassination theories, or Templar Knights/Illuminati theories.

But as a nation of laws, we have a law as to when these things must be resolved so we have certainty and closure on elections. So that we don't run our nation based on the extremist conspiracy theories, or else we would never complete any close election.

Again - I saw these same arguments in 2004 from the crazy left. And they REALLY WERE the identical arguments except the name of the company which made the voting machines was Diebold rather than Dominion that time. Same exact flawed statistical arguments. Say exact averaging of voter registrations vs. cast votes without taking into account normal differences in those numbers which happen ever election, like voters casting votes in the next door precinct or unofficial vote counts being used as official vote counts. Same wild unproven claims about extra ballots being cast. Even same kinds of videos at the time (though fewer as fewer people had cameras). None of that held up when courts actually examined the claims either.

None of the cases are going anywhere this time either, despite the conspiracy theory people pretending they are. The most "It's Proof!" claims and affidavits mentioned here are not even being raised to the courts because the party knows they were bullshit. The Supreme Court is not going to rescue Trump like the conspiracy theory people think they are.

So yeah, I am happy in 4 days this may be settled by the law. Because it can never settle according to wild conspiracy theorists. I am sure there are still some on the crazy left who claim the 2004 election was stolen by Bush. And you guys will be classified just like them in the minds of most people - nutters unable to deal with the cognitive dissonance that their faith-like beliefs in how the election would go (based on the people they know) doesn't match how people actually voted.

That's OK though, you can lash out at me with your personal attacks for me calling it like it is. I understand it's painful to have your faith shattered. You do you, in dealing with that grief. The first stages of denial and anger are all yours right now.
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Re: 2020 Election Commentary
« Reply #1573 on: December 04, 2020, 01:31:48 PM »
Greetings!

Hodgetwins have the video of Democrats bringing out suitcases of hidden ballots--after ensuring that GOP Poll watchers and media were sent home. The votes were then added in secret in the middle of the night, after telling the GOP and Media that the vote counting was stopped.

We all know though that the filthy lying Liberal Democrats will cry that even video evidence is "Not substantial evidence!"

All the phony ballots need to be thrown the fuck out. Massive voting audits need to be done throughout the contested states.

And the lying, traitor Democrats need to be arrested and hung. All of these clerks and election flunkies and officials, yeah, they get hammered, too.

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I will agree that there is a strong appearance of improper conduct. Everywhere I've ever worked, the basic idea was that "if it looks improper, then treat it as improper" so as to stay above suspicion. They have failed on this point, yet that sadly seems common enough in politics.

Greetings!

Damn right it looks improper. I also understand that the Democrats here in the video that are processing ballots? That is absolutely against the law, and hugely against all the known regulations. Such unethical and criminal actions will get every one of these people in prison. It is monstrous.

If this election had this level of corruption, fraud, and duplicity being committed by Republicans--damn right they would need to go to prison as well. All of this is so horrifying and terrible. It should enrage every American citizen. As you mention, corruption is pretty ordinary in politics, even our own. I have in the past proudly defended the United States elections to my friends, family, work colleagues and such, as well as friends that are foreign immigrants. Foreign born friends often lament the huge, systemic and tragic corruption and fraud in their home countries, and skeptically doubted that America was any better--just better at hiding it.

I said "No, no. America works hard at keeping our elections free and fair. Americans historically cherish honesty, integrity, and fairness. Our election trustworthiness is sacred!"

Now, sadly, I am coming around to seeing that we have become a nation covered in shit. "The Emperor has no clothes!" We have become a fucking banana republic, wallowing in shit. All the world looks upon us with horror, shame, and mockery.

Fucking unbelievable. This is all a reflection of the goddamned TDS--Trump Derangement Syndrome. These cock-sucking corrupt fucking Democrats have swallowed the fucking Marxist Kool-Aid and think they are fighting against fucking Hitler and the Nazis, therefore they can proceed to force their victory "By Any Means Necessary!"

Geesus. This is so sad. The TRUTH is coming out.

An interesting aside, though not unsurprising. The MSM has been utterly silent on this video, and has ignored it.

That is why more and more people are tuning in to alternative media, and absolutely do not trust MSM at all, and laugh at them. In alternative media, this video is *everywhere*.

The Democrats are going to burn for this. This will open the gates to more investigations, and as the hot lamps are brought overhead of the people involved, they will squeal. They will fucking sing, and more and more Democrats--lawyers, tech people, judges, officials, and politicians are all going to burn for this. I also continue to hear that a good number of corrupt Republicans may be guilty as well of cooperating with various Democrats to subvert this election with such fraud and corruption. They are such greedy fuckers. I hope they have plenty of oil in the frying pan for them all.

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK

The MSM is ignoring these claims the same way it ignores flat Earthers, because both are bullshit. The media isn't required to report lies and disinfo campaigns. With regard to the video in question, it has been debunked by  Republican election officials in Georgia. Here's an article about from a UK source:

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-election-2020/georgia-suitcase-video-ballots-trump-b1766363.html

If you schlubs would, I dunno, do a little research instead of spraying your shorts while you copy/paste THE TOTALLY SMOKING GUN THIS TIME I SWEAR YOU GUISE SRS, you'd see for yourself how laughable this all is.

And, in any event. most, if not all, of these contested states are being re-counted, and this is on top of routine audits.

There is no evidence of widespread voter fraud, or fraud of any magnitude sufficient to impact this election, or anything close to it. Never has been. The fact that you have to keep turning to more and more dubious sources to support your arguments should tell you something right then and there. But it won't. You have a narrative, and you're looking to make the facts fit it.

I'd be fine with investigating fraud, if any of the "evidence" presented rose to the level of reasonable suspicion that would warrant such action, the same as I would expect for any other allegations of fraud, wrongdoing or criminal activity. Our legal system requires these things for a reason. Namely, to keep things like Giuliani's clown show from clogging up our court system and muddying the waters of legal and political discourse.

There's a reason that none of Trump's lawyers have alleged fraud in an actual court. And that's because there are serious consequences for lying to judges. If you watch what Trump's legal team does, instead of what they say, it becomes quite clear that they know they have no evidence.

Trump is raising money off the back of this bullshit that he's not even bothering to put into his efforts to overturn the election. That in and of itself tells you that they all know this is baseless. They're literally unwilling to put their money where their mouth is.

But, hey, y'all keep looking for more youtube videos and unsourced tabloid links to stroke your bruised egos. It doesn't affect me a bit. It won't effect the election. And it won't affect Biden's term as President. It might affect the Georgia runoffs, however. And that's the funniest part of all. You reap what you sow.

Seriosuly, though, don't stop tilting at windmills, this thread is currently the saddest and funniest thing this side of Kiwi Farms. Y'all keep moving the goalposts, I'll keep laughing at you.

As for "Civil War", I doubt a bunch of soft crybabies who burst into tears when asked to wear a mask are going to go all Valley Forge on everyone. But keep talking about it the way you talked about "Q drops" and "Gitmo" LMAO.

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Re: 2020 Election Commentary
« Reply #1574 on: December 04, 2020, 02:34:28 PM »
Damn right it looks improper. I also understand that the Democrats here in the video that are processing ballots? That is absolutely against the law, and hugely against all the known regulations. Such unethical and criminal actions will get every one of these people in prison. It is monstrous.
An interesting aside, though not unsurprising. The MSM has been utterly silent on this video, and has ignored it.

That is why more and more people are tuning in to alternative media, and absolutely do not trust MSM at all, and laugh at them. In alternative media, this video is *everywhere*.

The Democrats are going to burn for this. This will open the gates to more investigations, and as the hot lamps are brought overhead of the people involved, they will squeal.

The video just dropped yesterday. Here's Newsweek about it, citing the work of Fox News reporter Griff Jenkins. They checked with the chief investigator for the Republican secretary of state.

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Frances Watson, the chief investigator for the Georgia secretary of state office, confirmed that the containers seen in the video weren't suitcases, but rather the normal bins used for the ballot counting process.

"There wasn't a bin that had ballots in it under that table," Watson told Lead Stories. "It was an empty bin and the ballots from it were actually out on the table when the media were still there, and then it was placed back into the box when the media were still there and placed next to the table."

Watson added that the media were never told to leave as the claims indicate, but rather that the location "was still open for them or the public to come back in to view at whatever time they wanted to, as long as [ election workers ] were still working." She said that the ballots that had already been opened in front of the observers were the only ones scanned after the media and other observers left.
Source: https://www.newsweek.com/fox-news-reporter-debunks-georgia-election-fraud-claims-made-tucker-carlson-sean-hannity-1552397

Now, one could claim that the Republican-appointed chief investigator is lying. Maybe those are indeed improper suitcases instead of the normal bins. If so, there should be plenty of witnesses who can shoot down investigator Watson's lies. This isn't something that should be under doubt - it's the normal procedure that hundreds of poll workers engage in. However, if the chief investigator is *not* lying, then the people who spread the video were lying -- and it's them who should be burned.

Here's more coverage of it in mainstream media:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2020/12/04/giuliani-boasts-about-finally-providing-evidence-fraud-which-doesnt-appear-be-evidence-fraud/

https://www.gpb.org/news/2020/12/04/fact-checking-rudy-giulianis-grandiose-georgia-election-fraud-claim


EDITED TO ADD: Here's the Fox News reporting on it.

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/georgia-recertifies-election-results-fulton-county-video

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Georgia election chief Gabe Sterling shared a fact-check article from a news outlet called Lead Stories in a Thursday tweet, saying, "The 90-second video of election workers at State Farm arena, purporting to show fraud was watched in its entirety (hours) by @GaSecofState investigators. Shows normal ballot processing. Here is the fact check on it."
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