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Author Topic: 2020 Election Commentary  (Read 185007 times)

HappyDaze

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Re: 2020 Election Commentary
« Reply #1380 on: November 28, 2020, 12:21:57 PM »
This guy, previously lauded by the NYT and possessing world-class expertise and credentials, states:


Where is the rest of his statement? I'd like to read over the parts that lead him to his conclusion.

https://www.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.mied.350905/gov.uscourts.mied.350905.1.19.pdf
Thank you for the interesting read. He has a lot of conclusions for how it could have happened but he doesn't have proof it did. Still, it does show some areas that investigators should at least seek to explore (although some of the paths supposedly leave no traces, so...).

I think many people (in addition to not understanding how rich people make their taxes) don't understand what "proof" is, when it is needed, and the standard behind how judges make their decisions.  No one is on trial for murder here.
How are you defining "proof" in this instance? There are counter-arguments that the election was entirely clean that can pass the same standards of "proof" as this one. Just because something could have happened does not mean that it happened or that it was even likely to have happened. I am trying to find someone that presents a reasonable theory (as this one did) along with evidence that it did happen, not merely opinions and speculation that it could have happened. If further investigation into these claims provides hard evidence that the actions speculated did occur, then I would view it quite differently.

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Re: 2020 Election Commentary
« Reply #1381 on: November 28, 2020, 12:27:02 PM »
I am defining what could cause a judge to invalidate an election as the same thing that have caused judges to invalidate elections previously - no smoking gun needed, just a lot of circumstantial evidence reasonably pointing towards an unclean election.

There's already election-not-clean redundancy in the constitution.

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Re: 2020 Election Commentary
« Reply #1382 on: November 28, 2020, 02:15:11 PM »
I am defining what could cause a judge to invalidate an election as the same thing that have caused judges to invalidate elections previously - no smoking gun needed, just a lot of circumstantial evidence reasonably pointing towards an unclean election.

There's already election-not-clean redundancy in the constitution.
Consider that we had a lot of circumstantial evidence reasonably pointing towards an unclean President too, or at least his 2016 election, but what was lacking was proof. Let it be investigated, sure, but much as with 2016, you don't stop everything going forward because of suspicion.

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Re: 2020 Election Commentary
« Reply #1383 on: November 28, 2020, 04:25:14 PM »
The dems didn't want to contest the 2016 election for some reason.  Complain to them, not that someone else chooses to contest an election happening after.

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Re: 2020 Election Commentary
« Reply #1384 on: November 28, 2020, 05:46:31 PM »
Greetings!

BOOM! Very interesting developments!

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Re: 2020 Election Commentary
« Reply #1385 on: November 28, 2020, 06:01:33 PM »
Greetings!

The God Emperor shall return to the throne!

Fucking Democrats are Reeing SALTY TEARS!!!!

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Re: 2020 Election Commentary
« Reply #1386 on: November 28, 2020, 06:05:13 PM »
Greetings!

MORE VICTORY IS COMING!

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Re: 2020 Election Commentary
« Reply #1387 on: November 28, 2020, 07:10:46 PM »
I am defining what could cause a judge to invalidate an election as the same thing that have caused judges to invalidate elections previously - no smoking gun needed, just a lot of circumstantial evidence reasonably pointing towards an unclean election.

There's already election-not-clean redundancy in the constitution.

Do you know of any other elections that were invalidated in court by just circumstantial evidence? The only election overturned in recent decades I know of is the 1998 Miami mayoral election, and that had tons of direct evidence -- I read that there were 60 witnesses who attested to tampering. And that's for an extremely close mayoral contest, where the initial election had a difference of just 155 votes. For a national election by tens or hundreds of thousands of votes, I think the bar is higher.

I agree that the courts should decide about allegations of fraud. I don't know the legal precedent in detail, but I think would that proof is needed.


Outside of that, I think that proof ought to be available. In most cases in other countries of rigged elections, they're rigged by the ruling party, usually by changing the election process. In these cases, the fraud can be deeply embedded -- but even so, regularly other countries can identify whether the elections were rigged or not. Trying to overturn the ruling party is more likely to turn out like Miami 1997.

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Re: 2020 Election Commentary
« Reply #1388 on: November 28, 2020, 07:47:45 PM »
The Paterson NJ election was thrown out before any allegations were proven.

The bar is enough questionable votes to change the outcome.  In this election, that's not very many votes to switch the electoral college results.  The point is not whether you agree Patterson is the same as is happening here; the point is the election was invalidated without a smoking gun-level of "proof".  My response was to Happydaze's objection, which is an objection threshold higher than actually exists. 
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Re: 2020 Election Commentary
« Reply #1389 on: November 28, 2020, 08:19:52 PM »
The Pennsylvania Supreme Court has weighed in on the lawsuit about mail in voting constitutionality.

It was dismissed. With prejudice.

There were three opinions.
Two concurring and one that both concurred and dissented.

The concurrence thusly all agreed on was that the plaintiffs should have made their claims before the election and that doing so after the vote went against them would be a violation of the right of Pennsylvania voters who acted with good faith in voting by mail.

The dissenting judge agreed that there might be merit to their claim and that it would need to be reviewed but NOT at the expense of invalidating nearly seven million votes.

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Re: 2020 Election Commentary
« Reply #1390 on: November 28, 2020, 09:00:13 PM »
The dissenting judge agreed that there might be merit to their claim and that it would need to be reviewed but NOT at the expense of invalidating nearly seven million votes.

Four years of "Biden stole the election!" in exchange for four years of "Trump stole the election!"

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Re: 2020 Election Commentary
« Reply #1391 on: November 28, 2020, 09:01:31 PM »
The Pennsylvania Supreme Court has weighed in on the lawsuit about mail in voting constitutionality.

It was dismissed. With prejudice.

There were three opinions.
Two concurring and one that both concurred and dissented.

The concurrence thusly all agreed on was that the plaintiffs should have made their claims before the election and that doing so after the vote went against them would be a violation of the right of Pennsylvania voters who acted with good faith in voting by mail.

The dissenting judge agreed that there might be merit to their claim and that it would need to be reviewed but NOT at the expense of invalidating nearly seven million votes.

SupremeCtofPA (@SupremeCtofPA) Tweeted:
Kelly, M, Hon., et al. v. Cmwlth, et al., Aplts - No. 68 MAP 2020; pco, cs, cs/ds
https://t.co/AJy4SWYjQv
https://t.co/j6Gv2ptDhc
https://t.co/itHEfZiGjd
So, as usual, SHARK's video clips are outdated and wrong within minutes of posting them. It's almost like he's intentionally spreading disinformation and propaganda. OK, forget the almost.

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Re: 2020 Election Commentary
« Reply #1392 on: November 28, 2020, 09:08:56 PM »
Greetings!

The God Emperor shall return to the throne!

Fucking Democrats are Reeing SALTY TEARS!!!!

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SHARK

If you were wondering if there would be a point where premature victory laps warranted an apology, this is that point.

Right now, you look like a fool. It's the second time you've done this in the thread. The first time people could forgive. But twice, for the same fucking thing? No, now you need to figure out where you went wrong and how to stop it from happening ever again.

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Re: 2020 Election Commentary
« Reply #1393 on: November 28, 2020, 09:17:34 PM »
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Re: 2020 Election Commentary
« Reply #1394 on: November 28, 2020, 09:19:10 PM »
LOL

Jesus. You guys seriously are such suckers! Oh yes, the "expected" the state Supreme Court to unanimously agree they had no case. Uh huh!

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