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Re: 2020 Election Commentary
« Reply #1200 on: November 20, 2020, 12:25:17 pm »
Oh snap.  Didn't see that EOTB.  Even Tulsi Gabbard.  It's all just buckets of shit all the way down isn't it?

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Re: 2020 Election Commentary
« Reply #1201 on: November 20, 2020, 01:00:53 pm »
I have also never heard of a trans person attacking a woman in the restroom, and never even suggested such.  I have, on several occasions from real life LEOs heard accounts of predators attacking women in the women's restroom in public restrooms.  This is the same reason I do go with my 9yo son anytime he has to go to the bathroom, because there have also been kids (boys in this case) attacked by predators in the men's restroom.  It almost seems there is a strawman argument being built regarding trans people, that they are secret predators, I have not presented that, nor the belief of that.  I do however know that sexual predators are recidivists and opportunists of the worst sort (meaning they likely have urges that can not and will not operate at all times under reason) and will MOST CERTAINLY take more swings if you give them more chances at the plate. 

    If a business decides to take a stance to allow men into the women's restroom, so be it.  I just will be escorting the daughter to the facilities just like I do my son now.  IF the schools however decide to embark on this insanity...we have a different problem then, that I think will not have a very easy, or calm resolution.

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Re: 2020 Election Commentary
« Reply #1202 on: November 20, 2020, 01:50:08 pm »
Oh snap.  Didn't see that EOTB.  Even Tulsi Gabbard.  It's all just buckets of shit all the way down isn't it?

Pretty much.  We don’t tend to look hard at those speaking pleasing sound bites
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Re: 2020 Election Commentary
« Reply #1203 on: November 20, 2020, 02:22:28 pm »
Greetings!

You know what? Put some "gender fluid" Trans freak in the bathroom with *my daughter*--and I guarantee you that my response to the Trans freak wouldn't be pretty, nice, or sweet.

I don't care how many of its "rights" I violate, either. The Trans freak is going to have a lot more to worry about than his "rights" being violated.

Oh, is that "escalating violence"? Reee all you want. I make no apologies. These goddamned freaks do not belong anywhere near our women, our daughters, or family!

I would stand rock solid behind any man that felt the same--in or out of a courtroom. I don't give a fuck. There are some things that you know what? Fuck what the cock-sucking society thinks, and fuck what some cucks in government believe. You have to make a stand for what is right, no matter what the cost. Just tell the cuck judge to bring a rope, because you are not backing down, not now, not ever. Let these cuck judges try and judge against people protecting their families. See how fast they see the fucking light when shit gets burned and blood starts flowing in the streets like crazy.

That's right. We know they would shit their fucking pants and change their viewpoints very fast. A rope would be waiting for them right outside their fucking house.

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I have two close friends who are trans, and one close friend whose child (near adult) is trans or at least trying to figure that question out.

None of them, and I mean none of them in any even vague possible way, would want to use a bathroom with someone else because they want to be near those other people, or leer at those other people, or even look at those other people. The issue has nothing to do with those kinds of things, for them.

All three of these people are nerdy. All three are awkward, even as adults. It's really not about sexuality for any of them. They wouldn't be in a bathroom to make anyone feel uncomfortable, or to feel anything about them. In fact, they'd all prefer to be as invisible as possible. They would just...want to go to the bathroom in peace, without anyone giving them a hassle. Without looking out of place.

I think this is one of those topics which seems one way on a theoretical basis, and seems entirely much more innocent when encountered in real life. This isn't about dirty old men trying to pose as a woman to leer at naked women in bathrooms. This is about people who, at least in my limited experience, are just awkward people who feel out of place and they want to just quietly go to the bathroom like everyone else in the place they feel they're "supposed" to be. Without making eye contact, or conversation, or being noticed really at all.

Greetings!

Ok, Mistwell. Such examples as you cite seem innocent enough, but I am reminded of how I have heard about trans freaks going into women's bathrooms and fucking little girls.

Are you surprised that such examples make me think of being entirely harsh and ruthless?

Why do you think so many people get crazy about trans men wearing dresses going into women's bathrooms?

Seems like quite a normal reaction to me. Matter of fact, I know many people that are dead set against letting trans men into women's bathrooms. It's not even a subject open for discussion with them.

I think this is just yet another example of the larger cultural divide between Conservatives and Liberals. The enormous divide in how people view reality, the gender norms they embrace, and the social rules they are comfortable with and expect to be maintained. You, and Jhkim are just fine with trans men going into women's bathrooms. Well, there are lots of normal men and normal women that are not just fine with that.

Just one more difference between Liberal progressive states and Conservative states!

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I felt uncomfortable with the idea until I met trans people and found them to be nothing like the sterotype in my head. That's what changed my mind. Not politics. Not a state. Not a culture. Just meeting people and seeing for myself nothing was scary there.

I am not a progressive. In no way shape or form am I am progressive. Most people who know me consider me a Republican. Most of my votes over the course of my life have gone to Republicans, though there are a meaningful number of Democrats in there as well (an a few third parties).

This isn't a matter of ideology for me. It's just me knowing people and finding them to be nothing like I imagined.

Which, let's face it, used to be how many people thought of RPG players. During the Satanic Panic, people would have looked you straight in the eye and told you they had read legit news reports about how D&D players were satanists who murdered people and engaged in vile rituals. They genuinely believed this, and felt they had read actual news accounts of it happening, and lost their shit if they heard a kid was playing it.

And then when you meet an actual gamer you find the gamer is nothing like that mythology that was built up.

I find this to be a very similar topic.

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Mistwell, I have to confess to you. I have met and had conversations with Transvestite men. Yes, they were polite and friendly.

I also still believe that they were definitely on the nutty side. I wouldn't say that they are rational, clear thinking people, nor are they emotionally stable. From what I saw--over a time of socializing with them to some extent--their lives are a fucking mess and a train-wreck. Their family-life, their jobs, the multiple lovers, the drugs, on and fucking on. I think these "gender fluid" trans freaks are delusional.

I still do not believe that Trans men should be allowed to go into women's bathrooms. I don't think it is a good idea at all.

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Of the three trans people I know (or well two trans people and one who just doesn't know yet), only one is what I'd call "nutty". They're a narcissist, and in love with themselves. Their whole family going back generations is a bit nutty. 

The other two are completely normal people, who are reasonably well adjusted. One you wouldn't even notice had ever been anything other than a geeky woman, and you could have run into her at a gaming convention and never known it. She's been trans for decades, has been post-op for decades, well before this sort of stuff was more in vogue. She really, truly seems to me to just have had the odd misfortune of being born the wrong gender. And it would be wrong for her to go into a mens bathroom. She'd be much less welcome there than in a womens room.

NONE of these three have done drugs or are into that scene in any way. None have multiple lovers. One is a computer programmer, one is a rocket scientist (she's married and has been for a decade and had only a couple of partners in her life before she got married), and one is about to go to college so we will see what they become but it sure isn't going to be something bizarre because they're likely going into the sciences as well (and they've only dated probably three people in their life).

Also, none of these people are transvestites. That's a question of clothing you prefer more than it is gender identity. The post-op one has probably worn a dress less than a handful of times in her life. Like a lot of geeky women.

It sounds like you're image of trans people is a sort of punker oversexed drug addicted chaotic person. And sure, some are that. But an awful lot are not. I'd say the majority, you'd never know they were trans, or odd in any way, if you walked by them.

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« Reply #1204 on: November 20, 2020, 02:22:42 pm »
Georgia's Secretary of State put out a press release certifying the results from his state, and then 30 minutes later retracted it.

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Re: 2020 Election Commentary
« Reply #1205 on: November 20, 2020, 02:34:20 pm »
Greetings!

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I don't think anything good comes from this though. At the very least I'm pretty sure Trump lost the popular vote, and I think there is good reason to think that many Americans don't particularly like Trump's brash style as a president even if they don't like the far left either. If the Republicans lost the electorate college as well, well then they lost. I don't think his taxes being made public helped either. The effect of John Voight speaking of the devil and such would be somewhat similar to broadcasting AOC howling about socialism and toxic masculinity and hope that it will somehow help mend the wounds. 

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« Reply #1206 on: November 20, 2020, 02:55:44 pm »

 Fucking gender-fluid trans freaks.

Looks like someone jumped the shark.

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« Reply #1207 on: November 20, 2020, 03:20:58 pm »
I don't think anything good comes from this though. At the very least I'm pretty sure Trump lost the popular vote, and I think there is good reason to think that many Americans don't particularly like Trump's brash style as a president even if they don't like the far left either. If the Republicans lost the electorate college as well, well then they lost. I don't think his taxes being made public helped either. The effect of John Voight speaking of the devil and such would be somewhat similar to broadcasting AOC howling about socialism and toxic masculinity and hope that it will somehow help mend the wounds.
Actually, if the vote-weighting algorithm numbers cited by Sidney and attested to in sworn witness and whistleblower affidavits (i.e. evidence as the courts define evidence) are correct (i.e. that the machines counted each Biden vote as 1.25 votes), then Biden's actual vote total is somewhere in the neighborhood of 62 million or a bit less than Hillary's 2016 total.

THAT number actually makes sense to me as he campaigned less than Hillary and there was zero enthusiasm for the man and 62 million seems about right for a "vote Dem out of habit" level of enthusiasm candidate.

And frankly, the idea that Joe Biden would receive 120% of the votes Obama received in 2008 (and more than anyone in history save for Donald Trump) is ludicrous. Rather, all of the evidence adds up to MASSIVE fraud that was so sloppy (ex. multiple counties where three times the number of people voted as were actually registered... sudden batches of hundreds of thousands of ballots for Biden and Biden alone with nothing down ballot and none corresponding for President Trump... some vote totals in Virginia including fractional values because they forgot to round off... not having time to fill in the down ballot votes resulting in Republicans actually making massive gains in down ballot races... etc.) because the machine algorithms couldn't overcome President Trump's legitimate vote count.

As to "many don't like Trump"... yeah, probably 62+ million of them. But that doesn't negate that enough people came out every day to President Trump's rallies; a process that generally took the better part of an entire day due to crowd size and security; in 10-50+ thousands each in 3-5 locations each day all to chant "We Love You!" towards President Trump.

Similarly... if the Dems really had the popular vote, if there really was no fraud... they wouldn't need to flag and censor anyone even suggesting their might be problems. If their win was legit they'd have no problems proving what the real numbers were. Instead they gaslight, bully and try to do everything possible to keep the actual numbers from being looked at and demand their accounting just be taken on faith.

At this point, based on polling, more than HALF the country believes the election was stolen by the Democrats and every instance where they fight to prevent a real investigation just makes them look more and more guilty to more and more people.

Bush v. Gore wasn't decided until December 12th (three weeks from now) and this situation is VERY fluid. I wouldn't count any chickens one way or the other just yet.

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« Reply #1208 on: November 20, 2020, 03:28:20 pm »
Greetings!

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I don't think anything good comes from this though. At the very least I'm pretty sure Trump lost the popular vote, and I think there is good reason to think that many Americans don't particularly like Trump's brash style as a president even if they don't like the far left either. If the Republicans lost the electorate college as well, well then they lost. I don't think his taxes being made public helped either. The effect of John Voight speaking of the devil and such would be somewhat similar to broadcasting AOC howling about socialism and toxic masculinity and hope that it will somehow help mend the wounds.
  popular vote means jack shit, always has.  I think taxes did not change anyone's mind, but I don't know.  I think there is any mending here.  Period.  Best thing for the parties involved is start working on a peaceful separation.  Biden, or his soon to be seated replacement is going to push hard on gun control, and that is going to be a match on gasoline.  If it turns out there was massive fraud and Trump stays, there will be chaos.  So either way, we are getting chaos.  Its a pick your flavor at the moment.  I think separation needs discussing either way.

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« Reply #1209 on: November 20, 2020, 04:23:14 pm »
I don't think anything good comes from this though. At the very least I'm pretty sure Trump lost the popular vote, and I think there is good reason to think that many Americans don't particularly like Trump's brash style as a president even if they don't like the far left either. If the Republicans lost the electorate college as well, well then they lost. I don't think his taxes being made public helped either. The effect of John Voight speaking of the devil and such would be somewhat similar to broadcasting AOC howling about socialism and toxic masculinity and hope that it will somehow help mend the wounds.
Actually, if the vote-weighting algorithm numbers cited by Sidney and attested to in sworn witness and whistleblower affidavits (i.e. evidence as the courts define evidence) are correct (i.e. that the machines counted each Biden vote as 1.25 votes), then Biden's actual vote total is somewhere in the neighborhood of 62 million or a bit less than Hillary's 2016 total.

THAT number actually makes sense to me as he campaigned less than Hillary and there was zero enthusiasm for the man and 62 million seems about right for a "vote Dem out of habit" level of enthusiasm candidate.

And frankly, the idea that Joe Biden would receive 120% of the votes Obama received in 2008 (and more than anyone in history save for Donald Trump) is ludicrous. Rather, all of the evidence adds up to MASSIVE fraud that was so sloppy (ex. multiple counties where three times the number of people voted as were actually registered... sudden batches of hundreds of thousands of ballots for Biden and Biden alone with nothing down ballot and none corresponding for President Trump... some vote totals in Virginia including fractional values because they forgot to round off... not having time to fill in the down ballot votes resulting in Republicans actually making massive gains in down ballot races... etc.) because the machine algorithms couldn't overcome President Trump's legitimate vote count.

As to "many don't like Trump"... yeah, probably 62+ million of them. But that doesn't negate that enough people came out every day to President Trump's rallies; a process that generally took the better part of an entire day due to crowd size and security; in 10-50+ thousands each in 3-5 locations each day all to chant "We Love You!" towards President Trump.

Similarly... if the Dems really had the popular vote, if there really was no fraud... they wouldn't need to flag and censor anyone even suggesting their might be problems. If their win was legit they'd have no problems proving what the real numbers were. Instead they gaslight, bully and try to do everything possible to keep the actual numbers from being looked at and demand their accounting just be taken on faith.

At this point, based on polling, more than HALF the country believes the election was stolen by the Democrats and every instance where they fight to prevent a real investigation just makes them look more and more guilty to more and more people.

Bush v. Gore wasn't decided until December 12th (three weeks from now) and this situation is VERY fluid. I wouldn't count any chickens one way or the other just yet.

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Excellent points, Chris! I agree. So much suspicious activity going on, and as you mentioned, the whole enthusiasm level that is different for Trump compared to Biden. The idea that Biden got more votes than Obama? Yeah, I'm not buying it either. Every election I have lived through, campaign enthusiasm has always been a crucial element to any competitive campaign, and essential to any electoral victory, especially in concerns to a national election.

The enthusiasm for President Trump is sky fucking high.

The enthusiasm for Biden is lukewarm and tepid. Even Democrats have expressed an ambivalence about voting for Biden.

There's just no way that Biden won this election.

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« Reply #1210 on: November 20, 2020, 04:27:21 pm »


These assignments are favorable for Trump.  Michigan, Wisconsin, Penn, and Georgia are assigned to Kavanaugh, Barrett, Alito, and Thomas.

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« Reply #1211 on: November 20, 2020, 04:40:28 pm »

The enthusiasm for Biden is lukewarm and tepid. Even Democrats have expressed an ambivalence about voting for Biden.

There's just no way that Biden won this election.

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But the Democrats had no ambivalence about voting against Trump. While you say there's no way that Biden won this election, that's only the side order--what they wanted is to ensure that Trump lost. The two results are identical in outcome, but since we're talking about motivations...

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« Reply #1212 on: November 20, 2020, 04:42:56 pm »


Greetings!

Excellent points, Chris! I agree. So much suspicious activity going on, and as you mentioned, the whole enthusiasm level that is different for Trump compared to Biden. The idea that Biden got more votes than Obama? Yeah, I'm not buying it either. Every election I have lived through, campaign enthusiasm has always been a crucial element to any competitive campaign, and essential to any electoral victory, especially in concerns to a national election.

The enthusiasm for President Trump is sky fucking high.

The enthusiasm for Biden is lukewarm and tepid. Even Democrats have expressed an ambivalence about voting for Biden.

There's just no way that Biden won this election.

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Well, the only thing that can reveal this is an investigation, so we will see. Sorry to say, but I definitely think it is possible they really won, despite sleepy Joe, for this reason: the media were MASSIVELY on the Democratic side. Among my leftist friends I saw a flurry of memes like "vote as if your life depends on it, because it does". And I think they did. On top of that, Trump does have that tendency rub people the wrong way. All I am saying is that, sure, recount and investigate and do all that. But I don't think that it's impossible that the Dems won.

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« Reply #1213 on: November 20, 2020, 05:01:10 pm »


These assignments are favorable for Trump.  Michigan, Wisconsin, Penn, and Georgia are assigned to Kavanaugh, Barrett, Alito, and Thomas.
At the risk of looking a bit dense, what's this in reference to?

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« Reply #1214 on: November 20, 2020, 05:29:52 pm »
Which Supreme Court justice has direct oversight of which court circuit.

As an example, Kavanaugh can influence how quickly an issue from Michigan comes before the Supreme Court.  They have other powers as well, to issue certain stays, etc.

This is why Alito was the justice telling PA to segregate certain ballots.

Point being, that the post-Barrett finalization of circuit assignments has originalists overseeing most of the jurisdictions disputes exist in
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