2020 Election Commentary

[Mistwell]

The reason it's gaslighting is because what "principled liberals" here react to, is someone to their right making a hyperbolic statement - but not someone to their left.

Jhkim and Mercurius will ask those to the right of them to moderate and to please not become overly partisan.  If hard leftists post similarly from farther to their left, that is directly replied to to a much lesser degree.

In recent times, I agreed with shuddemell in his link condemning extremist leftist threats. I pushed back correcting rawma when he claimed that Veritas hadn't posted their video. I agreed in calling Maduro a dictator.

I more often respond against right-wing talk - but on this forum, right-wing talk is much more common than left-wing talk. There's isn't anyone on the left here who is close to the prolificness and extreme language of SHARK's rants, or extreme claims to the level of RandyB or consolcwby citing over 30 million fraudulent votes. We have had some extreme left here in the past - Biscuitician was an extreme left-wing poster, for example. But in general, I'm responding to the frequency and extremism of posts.

In left-wing circles, I find I'm often considered a pain-in-the-ass and possibly a traitor for my positions.

I know how you feel. To my lefty friends I am close to a fascist for defending Republicans and calling out people who try to perpetuate caricatures of Republicans or conservatives.

To my right wing friends I am a leftist liberal Californian because I didn't vote for Trump. Nevermind that Trump wasn't much of a conservative and has little resemblance to Bob Dole, George Bush Sr. George Bush Jr., John McCain, and Mitt Romney (all of whom I voted for) in terms of key policy issues like globalism, trade wars, and foreign policy.

Being a radical moderate is hard, mang!

[Mistwell]

Plus, at least from my perspective, criticizing left wing posters on this site often feels like dogpiling, because every post they make often gets a half a dozen impassioned replies. In that case, ducking out isn't tacit agreement, it's just politeness because they're already being hammered.

I think we're lucky to have the few voices of opposition we have, excepting the ones who just do it to troll. If someone's going to argue a point effectively, they need to be able to address criticism. Some posters are better at this than others.

When people on this forum dare say they didn't vote for Trump, knowing they are outnumbered 10 to 1, calling them trolls makes it even harder. I've never trolled here once, but people here have accused me of it purely based on my disagreeing. And damn dude, you know how hard it is to "address criticism" when every post of yours gets a massive number of long detailed responses? No, you don't, at least not here. Because you outnumber the "opposition" ten to one. Cut people some fucking slack when you know you have them so outnumbered.

[Mistwell]

Lillyhammer is about an american gangster who gets witness relocated to Norway (no way in hell I see that happening) and the resulting culture clash is hilarious.   

Lillyhammer is great. I was sad when it was canceled. It was one of the first full shows I watched on Netflix that wasn't a rerun to me, years ago.

[GameDaddy]

And just so we don't make this the 'Ghostmaker takes on all comers' thread, here's some more meat:

https://buffalochronicle.com/2020/11/14/exclusive-how-a-philly-mob-boss-stole-the-election-and-why-he-may-flip-on-joe-biden/

I have no idea if the Buffalo Chronicle is any good or is another Daily Mail, but holy shit, the brass balls on this son of a bitch if this is true.

Then there is this to consider...
https://controller.phila.gov/wp-content/uploads/2019/09/VOTING-TECHNOLOGY-PROCUREMENT-INVESTIGATION-PUBLIC.pdf

[rawma]

I don't give Rawma any guff; he wears the colors of the opposition openly.

I am enjoying the current thread immensely, as I enjoyed the recent election outcome, and I support President-elect Biden and Vice-President-elect Harris in the work of their coming administration. But I am quite willing to listen to the non-crazy conservatives.

PS. Small r, as in rawma. Thank you!

[GameDaddy]

So it begins... Biden is going to work now protecting the swamp critters.

https://twitter.com/marwilliamson/status/1328824764421509120

[Pat]

That's a slippery way of wording it. Hitler was trounced in the 1932 presidential election by Hindenburg, but got the chancellorship in a corrupt bargain when the German establishment (landowners, bankers, industrialists, etc) decided to back him and put him over. So no, Hitler was never elected. He got the job in a backroom deal.

It's an exactly precise way of wording it. Hindenberg won the presidency, but the Nazis were in ascendance and later that year became the largest bloc in the Reichstag. The position of Chancellor was appointed by the President, who choose Hitler. That's how parliamentary systems work; positions are granted as part of a negotiation to share power when forming a coalition. It's not a direct election for a specific position, but it's still a democratic system based on free elections.

Hindenberg later died and Hitler assumed the powers of both positions, but that's just succession combined with a dictatorial consolidation of power.

[Spinachcat]

Nevermind that Trump wasn't much of a conservative and has little resemblance to Bob Dole, George Bush Sr. George Bush Jr., John McCain, and Mitt Romney

Quite true. Trump is the only person on that list who put America first.

But I am quite willing to listen to the non-crazy conservatives.

The cucks on their knees will be happy to have somebody to talk to!

As for me, I couldn't give a shit about leftists "listening" or "discussing" because I do not seek any common ground nor any future where involving compromise nor any civility whatsoever.

[SHARK]

Greetings!

Get ready for endless fucking Liberal tears.

No evidence of fraud, my ass.

Choke on it, bitches.

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK

[Pat]

I think that's out of date. The canvassing board for Wayne County was deadlocked 2-2 in a party line vote around 6 pm, but they got swamped by denouncers in Zoom, and voted again at 9 pm. The second vote was unanimous in favor of approving the results, on the condition that the Michigan Secretary of State's office conduct an audit of the precincts where the number of ballots cast doesn't match the number of people who signed into the polling locations to vote.

Sounce: WSJ article, updated 11/17, 11:28 pm.
https://www.wsj.com/articles/michigan-ballot-count-uncertain-after-board-action-11605660687

[Koltar]

There is and was ongoing fraud.

In several places it was rigged.

First false or stolen election in my lifetime.

I am dreading January because I really think intense rioting or a "Lite"Civil War will happen.

-Ed C

[SHARK]

Nevermind that Trump wasn't much of a conservative and has little resemblance to Bob Dole, George Bush Sr. George Bush Jr., John McCain, and Mitt Romney

Quite true. Trump is the only person on that list who put America first.

But I am quite willing to listen to the non-crazy conservatives.

The cucks on their knees will be happy to have somebody to talk to!

As for me, I couldn't give a shit about leftists "listening" or "discussing" because I do not seek any common ground nor any future where involving compromise nor any civility whatsoever.

Greetings!

Dayum right, brother!

Bush Sr, was fucking weak and not really Conservative. Bob Dole, he also was weak. Bush Jr, well, he seemed ok to begin with, but his deeper allegiance to Globalism revealed his ultimate weakness in not really being a Conservative. John Mcain? Give me a fucking break. His whole political career he spent much of the time on his fucking knees gulping down Liberal compromising jello. I remember when he first ran for president--virtually every Conservative commentator reviewed his constant compromising and cock-sucking while in office, and how terrible a candidate he was. Mitt fucking Romney? Oh, geesus. Talk about a mushy, swarmy, cock-sucking corporate Globalist. He wasn't Conservative at all. His subsequent behavior has shown him to be nothing more than a total cuck.

President Donald Trump has been fierce and rock-solid as a Conservative, populist candidate. His support of the 2nd Amendment and Gun Rights, his stand against fucking abortion, his championing of religious freedom, his resistance to SJW's and Socialism, his attacks on government regulations and promoting business and entrepreneurship, implementation of Opportunity Zones, cutting Taxes, renegotiating international diplomatic treaties, throwing out terrible trade deals, standing against Communist China, Pulling back American forces around the world and avoiding more foreign wars, his political stance against fucking Globalism, his championing of a revamping of American Immigration policy and standing against Illegal Immigration, and on and on. A whole raft of solid, strong, Conservative, Pro-America policies and initiatives.

Anyone who doesn't think President Donald Trump has been a champion of Conservatism and Pro America is simply delusional.

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK

[SHARK]

I think that's out of date. The canvassing board for Wayne County was deadlocked 2-2 in a party line vote around 6 pm, but they got swamped by denouncers in Zoom, and voted again at 9 pm. The second vote was unanimous in favor of approving the results, on the condition that the Michigan Secretary of State's office conduct an audit of the precincts where the number of ballots cast doesn't match the number of people who signed into the polling locations to vote.

Sounce: WSJ article, updated 11/17, 11:28 pm.
https://www.wsj.com/articles/michigan-ballot-count-uncertain-after-board-action-11605660687

Greetings!

Really, Pat? Holy Fuck! My YouTube Newsfeed thingy said the Hodgetwins video was *just two hours ago*. Geesus. Changes by the hour! Well, fuck. It was recent as far as I knew. Damn!

Who knows what will happen.

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK

[Pat]

Greetings!

Really, Pat? Holy Fuck! My YouTube Newsfeed thingy said the Hodgetwins video was *just two hours ago*. Geesus. Changes by the hour! Well, fuck. It was recent as far as I knew. Damn!

Who knows what will happen.

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK

It made me do a double take. I had read the WSJ article a few hours ago, went back to check something after you posted the link, and the entire article had changed.

[Luca]

I must reluctantly conceed that America is an Empire, but as a citizen of the Country of America, I have to agree that, as much as I like Korma, if I wanted to live in India, I'd move to Mumbai, just to pick one of the many possible provinces of Empire currently influencing our local politics.  The solution seems quite obvious to me: End the Empire.  Pull the warships back, close the foreign bases, and stop tossing MOABs around like they were fourth of july fireworks.  I do not care of the Hutus and Tutsis are slaughtering each other with machetes. I don't care which tribe rules Yemen, or if Iran or Turkey gets to play kingmaker in the Middle East. I don't care if China plants a flag on a god damn glorified sand bar in the South China Sea, or if Japan bombs Beijing because they are pissed that their flag isn't flying over said glorified Sandbar. Let them murder each other, or not.

The moment you stop being an empire, the dollar stops being the world's currency.
The moment the dollar stops being the world's currency, the USA default on their national debt.
The moment the USA default, your quality of life goes down the drain.

A significant portion of your standard of living is linked to the massive economic advantage of being the world's first superpower. Once that goes, so your standard of living is going to drop.

Also, isolationism works only until the world comes knocking to your door. Ask Bush.