2020 Election Commentary

[jhkim]

Simply put: There are so many indicators (not proof) that this election has been tampered with that the BIDEN campaign should be calling for an audit, simply to clear their own name, or else seventy million voters will simply never believe that they election wasn't stolen from them.  What is so very fascinating about all this is how people are treating the calls for investigations as somehow improper.   In the long view it doesn't matter who won if no one trusts the process anymore.

The Rubicon is already crossed on that one IMO.

I tend to agree with oggsmash though from a different perspective. Increasingly, we're moving into hyper-partisan territory where both liberals and conservatives only believe their own information sources that match their politics. Often this results in extremes where *both* mainstreams are wrong by only promoting an exaggerated reality.

I personally agree that investigations and lawsuits should move forward. There are some other calls like this, such as this Washington Post editorial:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/outlook/2020/11/12/lawsuits-trump-election-false-claims/


But largely, people have already made up their mind based on their partisan leaning. Even after the lawsuits happen - if the results are decided against Trump, I'm sure most Trump supporters will say that the verdict was rigged the same way the election was rigged.

In my dreams, I'd hope that maybe Republicans and Democrats could agree to pass bipartisan election reforms by packaging together some different things like anti-gerrymandering mandates and additional funding for security. But since neither side has pushed for significant election reforms so far, I doubt this will happen.

[Mistwell]

How are you still supporting this guy? He's so obviously lying it's not even funny anymore.  Well, it's still a bit funny I suppose. And Project Veritas is so obviously shitheads in this as well, just like they were caught lying just a couple of weeks ago. How are you still being taken in by all of this?

  Well Winson, sometimes 2+2 is 5.  Sometimes it is 3.  We are trying so very hard to help you Winston. Please keep trying.  It is so very hard to become sane.

Like clockwork. The wacko conspiracy narrative will be supported, no matter what. Even Fox News isn't taking Trump's BS seriously, but of course now Fox is "lamestream media" to Trumptards.

Confirmation bias really has no limits.

Meanwhile, Trump is duping his followers, and taking tons of their raising money in the process for whatever media venture he plans next. Can't wait to watch the Trump News Network for shits and giggles.

News is it's the MAGA channel which will be a paid online streaming network rather than a cable network:
https://www.axios.com/trump-fox-news-digital-media-competitor-25afddee-144d-4820-8ed4-9eb0ffa42420.html

[EOTB]

Easiest way to blow through confirmation bias is a forensic audit

For some reason, even MSM is acknowledging very few Rs believe them, but instead of joining the call for a forensic audit they rely on social pressure to accep results without that

Reminder(s):

1. Hillary's advice was not to concede the election *no matter what*.  Trump is simply following this wise advice

2.  The social and mainstream media services said final results of the election would be long delayed; are now upset the whole thing wasn't accepted immediately afterwards

3.  Biden said in 1st debate he would not declare victory unless the vote totals had been certified; he declares victory weeks before that would occur

"Why won't Trump voters take our word and stand down.  THEY'RE JUST IGNORANT, EASILY SWINDLED RUBES"

[Shasarak]

Easiest way to blow through confirmation bias is a forensic audit

For some reason, even MSM is acknowledging very few Rs believe them, but instead of joining the call for a forensic audit they rely on social pressure to accep results without that

Reminder(s):

1. Hillary's advice was not to concede the election *no matter what*.  Trump is simply following this wise advice

2.  The social and mainstream media services said final results of the election would be long delayed; are now upset the whole thing wasn't accepted immediately afterwards

3.  Biden said in 1st debate he would not declare victory unless the vote totals had been certified; he declares victory weeks before that would occur

"Why won't Trump voters take our word and stand down.  THEY'RE JUST IGNORANT, EASILY SWINDLED RUBES"

You can not hold them to their own standards, what are you some kind of Remembering Nazi?

[Brad]

You can not hold them to their own standards, what are you some kind of Remembering Nazi?

You must believe everything a politician says, even when it contradicts their previous statements, or you're just a CT nut.

[Pat]

An analysis of the vote totals from the 2069 Chicago precincts, using Benford's law:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=etx0k1nLn78

Yes, there's an abnormality. But it's an abnormality that's perfectly in line with the data. Basically, Benford's law is intended for numbers across a range of magnitudes, but the districts are almost all roughly the same size, and Chicago is strongly blue so Biden would be expected to get a fairly consistent number of votes across the different precincts. That number worked out to about 500, and per Benford's original paper, when numbers are constrained to a single order of magnitude, the most common first digit should be 4, 5, or 6 (which is what happened), not 1 (which is what is expected when the numbers are distributed across orders of magnitudes).

[VisionStorm]

Lighthearted reminder that the media does not decide who wins the election, and for people not to lose their minds...

[SHARK]

Greetings!

Salty Cracker provides some hilarious commentary!

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK

[Mercurius]

LOL at Project Veritas. What a joke.

https://www.thedailybeast.com/usps-staffer-richard-hopkins-told-agents-project-veritas-penned-his-ballot-tampering-claim?source=twitter&via=desktop

[EOTB]

LOL at the Daily Beast.  What a joke. 

https://nypost.com/2020/11/11/fbis-failures-to-protect-whistleblowers-then-and-now-devine/

[Spinachcat]

Massive evidence of fraud = no evidence of fraud = LOL.

Amazing how the "party of science" suddenly hates math. But hey, thanks for the shower of red pills falling upon anyone who can do math, regardless of how they feel about Trump. They may not change their opinion on Trump, but they are damn furious about the fraud, the social media censorship and the MSM coverup and that's enough for me.

Here's the joke. If Trump won and the math was wonky, I'd have ZERO problem with the votes being recounted and the systems analyzed because FRAUD goes FAR beyond one election or one candidate. FRAUD threatens the foundation of our democratic republic and destroys citizen's confidence in the system. Biden is a worthless piece of shit, but he's only one candidate. FRAUD (especially at this level of utter nonsense) calls every election into question and invalidates voting.

However, its apparent now that destruction of citizen's confidence is exactly the game plan by the MSM/DNC/BigTech oligarchy because they can dishearten enough people into not voting in the future and thus disenfranchise enough people so there's no opposition. (aka, the one party system of California).

In my dreams, I'd hope that maybe Republicans and Democrats could agree to pass bipartisan election reforms by packaging together some different things like anti-gerrymandering mandates and additional funding for security. But since neither side has pushed for significant election reforms so far, I doubt this will happen.

The American people will want reformed elections, and I do believe it will become a bipartisan issue among citizens groups. The politicians? Not so much.

How that plays out is anyone's guess. 

[oggsmash]

How are you still supporting this guy? He's so obviously lying it's not even funny anymore.  Well, it's still a bit funny I suppose. And Project Veritas is so obviously shitheads in this as well, just like they were caught lying just a couple of weeks ago. How are you still being taken in by all of this?

  Well Winson, sometimes 2+2 is 5.  Sometimes it is 3.  We are trying so very hard to help you Winston. Please keep trying.  It is so very hard to become sane.

Like clockwork. The wacko conspiracy narrative will be supported, no matter what. Even Fox News isn't taking Trump's BS seriously, but of course now Fox is "lamestream media" to Trumptards.

Confirmation bias really has no limits.

Meanwhile, Trump is duping his followers, and taking tons of their raising money in the process for whatever media venture he plans next. Can't wait to watch the Trump News Network for shits and giggles.

Since we are moving on to calling one another names, would you like my home address so you can stop by some time and say the same thing to me in person?  If not, perhaps we should attempt to maintain some small modicum of decorum?

[oggsmash]

Simply put: There are so many indicators (not proof) that this election has been tampered with that the BIDEN campaign should be calling for an audit, simply to clear their own name, or else seventy million voters will simply never believe that they election wasn't stolen from them.  What is so very fascinating about all this is how people are treating the calls for investigations as somehow improper.   In the long view it doesn't matter who won if no one trusts the process anymore.

The Rubicon is already crossed on that one IMO.

I tend to agree with oggsmash though from a different perspective. Increasingly, we're moving into hyper-partisan territory where both liberals and conservatives only believe their own information sources that match their politics. Often this results in extremes where *both* mainstreams are wrong by only promoting an exaggerated reality.

I personally agree that investigations and lawsuits should move forward. There are some other calls like this, such as this Washington Post editorial:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/outlook/2020/11/12/lawsuits-trump-election-false-claims/


But largely, people have already made up their mind based on their partisan leaning. Even after the lawsuits happen - if the results are decided against Trump, I'm sure most Trump supporters will say that the verdict was rigged the same way the election was rigged.

In my dreams, I'd hope that maybe Republicans and Democrats could agree to pass bipartisan election reforms by packaging together some different things like anti-gerrymandering mandates and additional funding for security. But since neither side has pushed for significant election reforms so far, I doubt this will happen.

No, our perspectives are pretty much exactly aligned here.  I hold no thoughts of fraud, I want it looked at in detail, but the "steal" was when we mass mail ballots.  There is no way, on this earth, to ensure integrity on that.   Every ballot may be 100 percent legitimate.  Most mail-ins may be 100 percent legit.  half could be, we will all never know, because they are extremely vulnerable to fraud, and the moment they were sent out, that was the rubicon, there was no way to ensure enough integrity for whatever resulted to be in any way calm.  There is a reason LOTS of countries require in person, ID voting and inking your thumb after the fact and absentees are by specific request with a chain of custody.  Not only to prevent fraud, but to ensure confidence with the public that there is no appearance of skullduggery.  Here, I agree with you no matter what turns up in court, its a disaster.

[oggsmash]

  Some of the press are not doing themselves many favors either.  Tapper and Cuomo would be bent the fuck out of shape if someone said to them what they tweet or way on air the past couple days to supporters of their opposition.   SHit they went to GREAT lengths to track down people for making fucking memes and gifs and threatening them with doxxing......

   I also think when the press is SO invested in not looking at things, after they spent a great deal of energy explaining to me how emails from hunter about being a bag man for the "big guy" and the dude having all sorts of shit on a computer is simply a russian hoax/conspiracy and then the tech giants decide to help out and censor a major paper WITHOUT sending someone to look at and verify the stuff they reported on..... Well The NSA spying on everyone was a conspiracy theory.  Denying that there were WMDs tucked in some bunker in IRAQ was conspiratorial.  I am sure the idea that the USA government would intentionally infect people with syphillis was a conspiracy theory.  Behavior around things like the notion of fraud, tends to put gas on a fire, especially when the people telling you there is nothing to it have a DEEP, and PERSONAL investment in the outcome.  So...yeah I think I can stand by my comparison to 1984 level propaganda/brainwashing.

[rawma]

A decisive win for Biden. The last time an incumbent president's challenger got as high a percentage of the vote* was 1932. Even Jimmy Carter held Ronald Reagan below that percentage; incumbency is clearly a powerful advantage, as it led to the only Republican popular vote win since 1988. Trump was just that bad a president and candidate.

(* Based on present vote totals; entirely possible for Biden to end up over 80 million votes and with over 51% of the popular vote.)

How much money did you get paid to post this? Was it at least in USD?

Absolutely none. Just expressing my civic pride.

Since you're feeling down, how about another Trump boat parade where you sink each other's boats?

(If I were looking for money, I'd probably be selling my story of how the vote tabulator at my ward wouldn't accept ballots for like 30 minutes on election day to credulous losers like you, or to the con artists who prey on you, or to the Lieutenant Governor of Texas.)