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Author Topic: 2020 Election Commentary  (Read 185233 times)

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Re: 2020 Election Commentary
« Reply #705 on: November 07, 2020, 02:15:34 PM »
It's funny how the people yelling "fraud" don't seem to care about voter purges in Georgia in 2019 (200k, mostly black and liberal) or the many thousands of ballots "delayed" or "lost" in the mail on account of Trump's appointee, DeJoy.

Hmm...I wonder why?

Either way, Trump lost. Be butthurt if you must, but this is the process. It is flawed and all sorts of shenanigans happen on both sides. But if you're going to cry foul, at least try to be non-partisan about it.

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Re: 2020 Election Commentary
« Reply #706 on: November 07, 2020, 03:08:51 PM »
It's funny how the people yelling "fraud" don't seem to care about voter purges in Georgia in 2019 (200k, mostly black and liberal) or the many thousands of ballots "delayed" or "lost" in the mail on account of Trump's appointee, DeJoy.

Hmm...I wonder why?
Because in the first case, purging voters who haven't voted in a long time isn't fraud. It isn't even related to fraud.

And in the second case, would a few thousand ballots have made a difference? If not, then that's why most people don't care. You notice nobody is worried about Illinois in this race, the recounts and allegations of fraud that are making the news are all in the swing states like Pennsylvania and Michigan. That's simply because it's more newsworthy (and there's more incentive to cheat) when the results matter. But regardless of public attention, those sort of allegations should always be investigated, because that's the only way to give the public confidence that democracy is working.
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Re: 2020 Election Commentary
« Reply #707 on: November 07, 2020, 07:10:15 PM »
You can always trust a Lincoln project man to take the 2020 NYT at face value.  "DEBUNKED!!!  The NYT would never lie, just like Philadelphia would never commit the mass election fraud it's been known for, for decades, in this cycle where nothing much at all was at stake"

And soon the LP will learn what their new allies think they've really earned.

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/aoc-calls-on-lincoln-project-to-take-the-l-and-give-fundraising-to-grassroots-organizers

Enjoy your mirage victory until it evaporates, copperheads.  We don't need you, and no one wants you.  This isn't going to stand, and we can pick up 10 voters for every LP man that goes sniveling home to Nancy Pelosi, just by ditching: stupid foreign wars, an economy based on pushing papers around on desks, and COC trade deals.

It wouldn't surprise me in the least to find out that LP's $67 million didn't mostly go to paying the necessary grease to make this fraud happen, including running interference (or more) via their alphabet agency members.

What are you going to do when Biden is sworn in as President?

Reality will hit you soon. It's hitting Trump already.

If that were to happen, I have no idea what the options available would be yet.  So unlike Fox, I don't project.
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Re: 2020 Election Commentary
« Reply #708 on: November 07, 2020, 07:35:16 PM »
Congratulations to President-elect Biden!
LOL, till he has a stroke or gets 25th'ed out or gets arkanicided.

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« Reply #709 on: November 07, 2020, 08:51:17 PM »
I don't agree. Plenty of dictators have been voted into power
Not really in free and fair elections.

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and dictators and democratically elected representatives both need public support.
Yes and no. There's actual support, then there's not opposing them. For a leader, simply having people not oppose them can be enough, so long as key people support them.

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those who allow some kind of sham voting always make sure they control the means of communication
One of the reasons they allow sham voting is that it reminds their key supporters they're replaceable. A certain amount of social mobility is necessary in any society to make people support that society; people will put up with a pretty awful life if there's even a small hope of it changing.

Imperial China had the civil service exam, in theory anyone could do it and get a job for life, in practice it was the sons of artisans and merchants who had the money to pay for a tutor. Still, every town of any size had a bunch of kids visible going off to school, and some of them after doing the exam went off to the capital and sent money back home. From the late 18th century, though, fewer and fewer family names appeared on the roll - graduates were slipping advanced copies to nephews back home, etc. One day a young man failed the exam, went to Hong Kong and had a nervous breakdown - and while there listened to a German preacher and became convinced he was the brother of Jesus, and ended up leading a rebellion preaching all property in common, etc - the Taiping Rebellion, the bloodiest war in human history until WWII.

A lack of social mobility in a system makes people want to change the system. Sham voting is a process where the commoners can enter the rubber-stamp parliament, which while it has no power as a parliament setting policies for government, the members are all connected to the senior bureaucrats and businesspeople and Generals and so on. So if you want to build a block of apartments or get your son a commission in the army or be able to dump some toxic soil near a school, that member of the People's Grand Parliament is the guy you speak to. They don't have legislative power, but they certainly have the power to get things done.

Every election, some of those guys leave the parliament and some new ones enter it. And some of those who leave the parliament go to the politburo and work with the Dear Leader. And some of the politburo drop out and back into the parliament, etc.

This is, by the by, one of the reasons for regular purges in communist and fascist systems of government, and for kings in the middle ages to go around lopping off the heads of a few nobles - purges create job vacancies, social mobility. Everyone thinks purges are just about fear, and of course they're about fear - but purges create hope. As wikipedia notes,

"The purge of the Red Army and Military Maritime Fleet removed three of five marshals (then equivalent to four-star generals), 13 of 15 army commanders (then equivalent to three-star generals), eight of nine admirals (the purge fell heavily on the Navy, who were suspected of exploiting their opportunities for foreign contacts), 50 of 57 army corps commanders, 154 out of 186 division commanders, 16 of 16 army commissars, and 25 of 28 army corps commissars."

which is to say, Stalin created 269 job vacancies in the senior ranks. That's 269 people who became Generals and Admirals, which also means that 269 others went into their old positions, and so on down the chain of command all the way to some privates becoming corporals. One of the reasons wartime sees such loyalty to The Leader is that all the deaths of commanders create lots of opportunities for promotion, and of course the rapid expansion of the military creates a lot of new positions, too.

Wars are great for social mobility, which is why many failing systems - like Soviet communism, or modern American capitalism - are so keen on starting wars. Peace would mean no promotions, and in fact a lot of retirements.

The more long-lasting systems find more peaceful ways to do it, like the DPRK's elections. One of the reasons people stopped supporting the Soviet Union was that the same group of 20-30 old guys were running things for decades, and they were mostly at peace - the Afghan war wasn't big enough to kill a lot of senior officers or require an expansion of the military. Without genuine elections or purges or wars to create social mobility, nobody had hopes of change any more, so they lost interest.

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But the will of the governed? That's only a feature of democracies insofar as they tend to be more transparent and allow freer discourse.
It's more like this. Let's suppose I am the leader of a city of 100,000 people, each of whom provides me with $1,000 revenue on average, for $100 million in all. What do I do with this money?

Now, if they are all disarmed except for my 100-man Imperial Guard, I can give each of my Imperial Guard $500,000 - for half a million each I can find 1 man willing to shoot the other 999 unarmed protesters if he has some company. I just need to look after those 100 men really well and I can rule the other 99,900, and keep $50 million for myself.

But if I need 50,001 of them to vote for me, giving them $1,000 back isn't going to impress them much, so I can't keep that $50 million spare, I have to give all $100 million back - $2,000 each. Those 50,001 people are only $1,000 better off, though, that may not be enough to convince them, especially if they have to trudge along dirt roads and pay for a tutor for their kids and pay doctors and so on out of that. So instead I take that $100 million and spend it on roads and schools and medical clinics. This also doesn't guarantee support but at least after tossing me out at the next election they speak well of me and I might be able to get back in at some later time.

Which is to say, increasing the franchise tends to work to encourage leaders to consider the overall public good more.

This then explains why leaders do things like gerrymandering and voter suppression - if I could get in with just 10,000 of the right voters, I could give them $5,000 each, keep $50 million for myself and still get in. It also explains why opposition parties are against gerrymandering and voter suppression - they just have to get 10,001 people who don't normally vote to get out there and they're in. But of course, once they're in they become less keen on it.

So it's not that dictators can ignore public opinion or whatever. It's that people support you if you reward them, and don't if you don't. The more people whose support you need to get and stay in power, the more likely you are to do things for the public good - not out of altruism, but out of your own self-interest in staying in power.

Longer-term, you need to offer some small hope, at least, of social mobility. That's why Oceania in 1984 had the lottery for the proles, but it's also why it had O'Brien doing purges.

It's no coincidence that decades of stagnant growth for the waged class in the US, combined with people bribing their way into unis, etc, gets you civil unrest. Nor is it a coincidence that the US is involved in Forever Wars. Drumpf pulled out of the Forever Wars so that's why he had to put in tariffs etc, rebuild manufacturing jobs and give the proles some hope. If Biden wants to bin the tariffs he'll have to go to war instead. It's either that or people lose interest in supporting the system and the US goes the way of the SU.
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Re: 2020 Election Commentary
« Reply #710 on: November 07, 2020, 08:57:26 PM »
The only silver lining in this whole fuckosity is watching JP explain WTF just happened.

Enjoy your Kamala Harris presidency and the impending gulags. :P


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Re: 2020 Election Commentary
« Reply #711 on: November 07, 2020, 11:58:48 PM »
What gets me is the continual hypocrisy on the left is amazing imo.

Up until Biden was announced the winner Trump had mismanaged the Covid-19 crisis etc..etc. Now that Biden won suddenly so many Biden  supporters while cheering the win have thrown away all sense when it comes to quarantine procedures. What gets me is the anti-Trump supporters "well they are wearing masks" which are help yet when 20+ Biden supporters hugging and kissing and celebrating a mask can only do so much. Sorry this applies to supporters on both sides. Your side is not immune to criticism simply because you are heavily emotionally invested in it.

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« Reply #712 on: November 08, 2020, 01:02:43 AM »
I'm looking forward to finding out what Trueinternationalunderpressure is. I hope it means I get a pony.

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« Reply #713 on: November 08, 2020, 01:11:45 AM »
Greetings!

I read an article that discussed how Biden and Harris are going to tear down the Wall, and totally destroy Trump's immigration policies. No bans, no restrictions, anyone and everyone can just fucking pour into the country. More than 11 million illegal immigrants in the country Biden plans to make citizens during his first 100 days in office.

Globalist, cock-sucking Marxists. Oh, well, Biden isn't a Marxist--he's a moderate.

You fucking drooling moron. If he goes along with Marxists and lets fucking Globalist Marxists fucking run everything, it isn't necessary for Biden to be a card-carrying Marxist. Millions of drooling, brain-fucked idiots are heavily influenced by Marxists goddamned ideology without thinking of themselves as being officially *Marxists*--but that stupid fucking delusion doesn't take anything way from the fact that they are still standing by and helping Marxists fuck everyone else in the ass.

Fucking simple minded jackasses. Learn how Marxism has infiltrated our entire society, from government, to social policy, to education, entertainment, and the media. It's influence is everywhere, and fucking deep, and has only been getting stronger and more pervasive over the whole population at large for decades.

Fucking smug idiots. Learn about how psychological warfare and propaganda works to shift and influence cultures.

I know exactly what the fuck I'm talking about. And I don't give a fuck about some idealistic naïve fuck in some "Democratic Socialist" country that believes socialism is all sweet and fucking dandy. They are still naïve, and have been compromised in varying degrees. If some people love socialism in fucking Europe or elsewhere, well, good for them! That doesn't mean that we here in America need to swallow that shit down!

LENIN said "The Goal of Socialism is Communism. Socialism is but a way station on the way to Communism."

GLOBALISM is deeply Marxist, and embraces Marxism. Globalists--all the cock sucking technocrats and corporate cockroaches some of you try and make distinctions for--guess what? They are just fine with allying with and using Marxism to get what they want. Just because they don't explicitly claim to be or support Marxism doesn't mean they still aren't Marxists. And another thing--Marxism always has an elite, wealthy cream at the top that rules over the hordes of the unwashed masses. Where do you fucking think the Globalist Technocrats see themselves being?

Some of you claim to be educated and sophisticated, but goddamn, some of you can't fucking see the forest before the trees. You try and make all these petty distinctions, that seem to be there on the surface--but totally miss the deeper connections, the deeper motivations, the deeper goals.

And also, the whole mail-in voting fraud? Are you people that fucking brain dead and numb? A commission led by Jimmy Carter 10 years or more back said that mail in voting was rife with fraud and corruption. The fucking New York Times--such an alt-right conservative rag, right? Did an investigation years back where they also said that mail-in voting was fucking corrupt as all fuck. Then, just recently, all over the mainstream, liberal, cock-sucking news--there were several different elections, I think in New York, Michigan, Jersey, and maybe somewhere else, where there were thousands of fraud votes and corrupt bullshit going on--and delays of weeks and months in sorting out the fucking mess--but somehow, now, in this presidential election, you don't think there's the potential for fraud and fuckery going on with MILLIONS of mail in votes? And somehow, the delays in counting and processing have somehow conveniently occurred in closely contested battleground states--but no, no, Republicans are a bunch of conspiracy idiots for demanding investigations and deeper supervision of the whole process? Geesus, people.

Just like millions of drooling, brainwashed fucking sheep in this country, that can't see beyond their fucking face and their own doorstep. As long as they get to keep fucking, keep snorting, gulping down cheeseburgers and mac and cheese, and light up a blunt, and get a fucking check from the government--more free stuff!--what the fuck do they care? They are blind and choking on shit. They are so easily led and manipulated. Like fucking cattle, fattened for the slaughter, with a fucking nose ring through their nose. Yay! I can get a new piercing this weekend and a new tramp stamp on my fat fucking ass! Get you some juice, baby!!!

All such fat, bloated sheep, pumped full of Marxist jello. The snot dripping from their nose as they cackle and giggle like stupid bitches like AOC. Dancing in the streets, drunk with wine and debauchery, while Rome burns.

So tragic. And meanwhile, yeah, fucking morons. Remember when Biden aligned himself with Bernie, AOC, Buttiegeg, and Beto O'Rourke, promising them all positions of glory, power, and authority? What the fuck do you think their plans for America are going to do to the country? Fucking Harris was EQUITY OF OUTCOME, not equality. But yeah, that's right. Don't get upset. Don't get "butthurt" about any of it. Just enjoy the plough fucking you in the ass.

There are a lot of drooling morons in this country. How anyone can seriously listen to the plans and programs of Biden and Harris, and their lackies and toadies, and think all of that isn't terrible for this country? What the Fuck? Reparations? Redistribution of wealth? Fucking robbery and theft. Higher taxes? Open the fucking gates of immigration? Are you fucking insane? Disarm the country, and confiscate firearms. Yay, Harris and O'Rourke! They have said they are going to do that, too. "Mandatory Gun By-backs"--that's gun confiscation for the mentally slow. AOC and the "Green New Deal". Bernie's "Medicare For All"--all of these enormous programs that will absolutely bankrupt the country and send us into poverty and servitude. On and fucking on. But that's right. Lots of drooling fucking sheep just smile stupidly and think it's all one big fucking party. Yay! Miley Cyrus thinks that. One big party for America!

And I am certainly not ranting delusionally--nor is anyone else here that has argued similar points to my rant here--we are not "extreme" or some other BS. These policies and plans have all been discussed and embraced by Biden, Harris, and their fucking toads. I didn't make this awful shit up. This stuff is the ideology and policies of these goddamned Marxist clowns.

Fucking mind boggling.

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« Reply #714 on: November 08, 2020, 01:15:26 AM »
What’s the Over/Under on months before Biden is 25th’d and War with Iran?
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Re: 2020 Election Commentary
« Reply #715 on: November 08, 2020, 12:02:39 PM »
Guess dissent is no longer patriotic again (that was fun in the shift from Bush to Obama -- the left flipped gears so fast even I was surprised).

How about some actual science? https://gnews.org/534248/

Short form: Biden's votes actually violate Benford's law, which has been used successfully to nail down Iranian election fraud (2009) and other forensic analyses.

But the real fallout can be found here: https://johnpavlovitz.com/2020/11/05/we-were-wrong-about-america/

Remember, lefties: we're not trapped in here with you. You are trapped in here with us. And there's 70 million of us who watched you push a senile old fuck and a literal political whore into office. Good job.

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« Reply #716 on: November 08, 2020, 04:13:30 PM »
there's 70 million of us who watched you push a senile old fuck and a literal...whore into office.

It's 75 million. And have some respect, for God's sake, the man's still President until Biden is sworn in.

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« Reply #717 on: November 08, 2020, 04:21:54 PM »
there's 70 million of us who watched you push a senile old fuck and a literal...whore into office.

It's 75 million. And have some respect, for God's sake, the man's still President until Biden is sworn in.

Ok, now that was funny. :D
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Re: 2020 Election Commentary
« Reply #718 on: November 08, 2020, 05:22:14 PM »
What's this thing about Kamala being a "whore" or slutty?

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« Reply #719 on: November 08, 2020, 06:12:14 PM »
What's this thing about Kamala being a "whore" or slutty?

There have been rumors for years in California politics that she slept her way to Attorney General.  Whether it’s true or not mostly just tells you political affiliation.
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