2020 Election Commentary

[Shasarak]

LOL, like there are no cases of Republican election fraud ever. Please bitch.

The Russians only get a chance to earn their sweet election fraud money every four years, dont take this away from them!

[Brad]

The Russians only get a chance to earn their sweet election fraud money every four years, dont take this away from them!

We're WAY past Russians. Apparently they decided not to commit any fraud in this election and, in fact, this is the least fraudulent election in history. How dare you!

[Brad]

https://justthenews.com/politics-policy/elections/following-repair-technical-glitch-michigan-county-flips-back-trump

Only 46 more counties to check!

"But that's only a gain of about 5500 votes! I NEED YOU TO SHOW ME WIDESPREAD VOTER FRAUD!!!!!!!!"

[Shasarak]

The Russians only get a chance to earn their sweet election fraud money every four years, dont take this away from them!

We're WAY past Russians. Apparently they decided not to commit any fraud in this election and, in fact, this is the least fraudulent election in history. How dare you!

So hang on, the Russians helped Trump to win last time and this time he asked them to stand back and stand by?

[Brad]

So hang on, the Russians helped Trump to win last time and this time he asked them to stand back and stand by?

No, I think what happened is TRUMPBUX ran out so Putin decided to go bear hunting instead.

[Snowman0147]

But it is an INSIDER. It says so. And best of all, it is Project Veritas. How legit can you get?

You do you know that Veritas is backed up by the courts?  Seriously they won all of their court cases.

[Trond]

But it is an INSIDER. It says so. And best of all, it is Project Veritas. How legit can you get?

You do you know that Veritas is backed up by the courts?  Seriously they won all of their court cases.

Good point actually. Having seen some interviews with them, PV seems to be a pretty legit operation. Their "deceptively edited videos" seem lees deceptive than those of the mainstream media.

[Snowman0147]

But it is an INSIDER. It says so. And best of all, it is Project Veritas. How legit can you get?

You do you know that Veritas is backed up by the courts?  Seriously they won all of their court cases.

Good point actually. Having seen some interviews with them, PV seems to be a pretty legit operation. Their "deceptively edited videos" seem lees deceptive than those of the mainstream media.

They have everything to lose if they lie.  Seriously there is no incentive for Project Veritas to lie.  In fact there is every incentive to actually be honest.  Project Veritas survives on its honesty.

[Mistwell]

Turns out a bunch of these "fraud videos" are fakes. That would explain why the White House has not filed suit based on a single one of these youtube and tiktok videos of supposed fraud - they're not real. But, they do make for sweet clicks for the political rags:

https://www.dailydot.com/debug/eric-trump-keeps-falling-for-fake-ballot-hoaxes/

[Mistwell]

Oh yeah Project Veritas depends on their reliability...like literally the complete fraud they posted JUST LAST MONTH. Dumbasses.

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/09/29/us/politics/project-veritas-ilhan-omar.html

The short of it, Project Veritas was taken in by a totally fraudulent claim in a video in September. Liban Osman, subject of Project Veritas alleged voter fraud story, tells @LydenFOX9 he was offered $10K by Omar Jamal to say he was collecting ballots for Congresswoman @IlhanMN.

So yeah, not a good source to be claiming they are a shining example of truthfulness and credibility.

The "dead people voted in Pennsylvania" stuff is fraudulent claim too:

https://www.nytimes.com/live/2020/2020-election-misinformation-distortions

Finally, the Project Veritas Michigan "postage backdating" claim was debunked the same day it came out (the date on the envelope is irrelevant to whether or not it is counted since it had to physically be there on time to be counted):

https://www.mediamatters.org/sinclair-broadcast-group/sinclair-broadcast-group-spreads-debunked-project-veritas-disinformation

I seriously hate sore losers. I hated it when Democrats did it in 2000 and then in 2004 again, and I hate it now that Republicans are doing it in 2020. Same bullshit, different tribe.

[crkrueger]

One county in Michigan flipped 5500 votes?
47 other counties use the same software?

47*5000=A lot more than Trump lost by.

Time to recount Michigan and verify the machine glitch and the Post Office Investigation before anyone calls anything.  There's a chance the Post Office thing was local, but with three other states showing the "Michigan Pattern" it's worth looking into.

[Mistwell]

One county in Michigan flipped 5500 votes?
47 other counties use the same software?

47*5000=A lot more than Trump lost by.

Time to recount Michigan and verify the machine glitch and the Post Office Investigation before anyone calls anything.  There's a chance the Post Office thing was local, but with three other states showing the "Michigan Pattern" it's worth looking into.

They didn't though. The entire claim is complete bullshit.

Which is why you see no lawsuit being filed right now based on that allegation.

You're being a sucker.

Here are four more claims which were already debunked:

https://www.bbc.com/news/election-us-2020-54811410

And yet more debunked claims.

https://www.detroitnews.com/story/news/politics/2020/11/06/why-some-michigan-election-conspiracy-theories-dont-add-up/6186067002/

[ArrozConLeche]

They really should check the software updates of those systems in Michigan. If it's that easy for someone to mess it up, it could easily have happened at other counties. I doubt that it would take them too long to check, and the upside is that people would feel more confident.

It really would be a dick move not to do so.

[jhkim]

One county in Michigan flipped 5500 votes?
47 other counties use the same software?

47*5000=A lot more than Trump lost by.

Time to recount Michigan and verify the machine glitch and the Post Office Investigation before anyone calls anything.  There's a chance the Post Office thing was local, but with three other states showing the "Michigan Pattern" it's worth looking into.

I agree that it's worth looking into possible problems in the software after the Antrim county results. However, as far as I can see, no one has claimed that this was fraud. Antrim is a Republican-dominated county with conservative officials, and the Republican officials say it was an error. In general, I agree things should be investigated. And yes, if every county had the same error with the same effect, then it would make a difference. But this was an error that was found and caught.

Here is what I read so far about the investigation:

https://www.freep.com/story/news/politics/elections/2020/11/06/antrim-county-vote-glitch-software-update/6194745002/

A failure to update software was the reason for a computer glitch that caused massive errors in unofficial election results reported from Antrim county, the Michigan Department of State said late Friday.

"The erroneous reporting of unofficial results from Antrim county was a result of accidental error on the part of the Antrim County clerk," the state agency that oversees elections said in a news release.

There was no problem with the voting machines or vote totals, which were preserved on tapes printed from the tabulators, the state said. The problem occurred when the totals by precinct were combined into candidate county-wide totals for transfer to the state, using election management system software, the state agency said in a news release.

"All ballots were properly tabulated. However, the clerk accidentally did not update the software used to collect voting machine data and report unofficial results."

State officials did not immediately respond to questions about whether they track when and how local officials update their election-related software or whether local officials are required to report needed updates to the state, once they are completed.

But they said any such errors in any county would be caught during the canvassing process, before results are declared official, when boards composed of two Democrats and two Republicans compare the numbers on the tapes printed from the tabulators to the unofficial results that were reported to the state.

In the Twitter thread, someone posted video of programmer Clint Curtis - who testified he was hired in 2000 to make touchscreen voting machines glitch and miscount votes. For context, though, he testified he was hired by *Republican* congressman Tom Feeney, who denied the allegations, which were never proven.

Even though there is no evidence that such a program ever was created or went into effect, I do have concerns about purely electronic voting, and would prefer to maintain paper ballots. With a paper trail, you can still count using software, but you can recount by hand to confirm. If there are fraudulent ballots, they can be found and analyzed for evidence.

[Kyle Aaron]

One of the biggest takeaways in this election is Trump was up in almost every demographic, except white men. He did better among LGBT+ voters, among women voters, among black voters, and among hispanic voters

Yeah, it's interesting. Will the Republican party gradually move to becoming the party of the diverse working class? Well, the Democrats were once the party of segregation, so why not...

What I will say is a good sign for the US is the increased voter participation this time. As The Dictator's Handbook noted, the only real difference between a dictator and a Prime Minister or President is how many people they have to please to stay in power - but that makes all the difference. If I have to please a few Generals and their men I don't have to think much about the public good, if I have to please 100 million people, I do.

So the broader the participation, the better it is for the public good... eventually, anyway.