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Author Topic: 2020 Election Commentary  (Read 185016 times)

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Re: 2020 Election Commentary
« Reply #630 on: November 06, 2020, 01:08:55 PM »
The libs are singing victory too soon, and vice versa for conservatives.

Look, the margins are razor thin in Arizona, Georgia and Pennsylvania. Arizona is probably going to flip to the president; that's the trend. With the others, who knows. A lot of the incoming ballots are from the military and most of those historically go for the president.

It's a hotly contested election, as we all should've known it would be. The Bernie fans didn't stay home this time even though Biden sucks, so you had to account for that. Even with that, nothing is sure for Biden.

It's a rough scrap, and I still think Trump will surprise everyone.
« Last Edit: November 06, 2020, 01:12:56 PM by ArrozConLeche »

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Re: 2020 Election Commentary
« Reply #631 on: November 06, 2020, 01:21:00 PM »
The libs are singing victory too soon, and vice versa for conservatives.

Look, the margins are razor thin in Arizona, Georgia and Pennsylvania. Arizona is probably going to flip to the president; that's the trend. With the others, who knows. A lot of the incoming ballots are from the military and most of those historically go for the president.

It's a hotly contested election, as we all should've known it would be. The Bernie fans didn't stay home this time even though Biden sucks, so you had to account for that. Even with that, nothing is sure for Biden.

It's a rough scrap, and I still think Trump will surprise everyone.

The thing is, the margin in Pennsylvania isn't going to be that close. It's rapidly falling outside the recount level. And Pennsylvania is all Biden needs to win. Even if you add up all the evidence of "fraud" allegations in Pennsylvania, it's nothing close to the numbers needed to change that result to be in Trumps favor overall there.

Arizona, I have no idea. You can thank Trump insulting John McCain for years, including after his death, for his loss there if he does lose because that was an idiotic strategy.

Georgia, looks very likely Biden but we won't know until the last of the overseas ballots are counted and the questionable ballots are dealt with. Ironically, Trump will almost certainly be demanding the questionable ballots and late-arriving ballots in Georgia BE counted, because he wouldn't be able to win without them.

But really, I think he's toast because of Pennsylvania. I don't think there is the margin for victory there. The administration, internally, appears to see that. The mood inside the Whitehouse appears to have changed dramatically overnight. They are no longer optimistic. They are seeing the numbers play out, and the fraud allegations were only a backstop if it was one or two states, and if the count was closer. It's just not going to be close enough, and not going to be in a small enough number of states, for the lawsuits to make a difference in the overall result.
« Last Edit: November 06, 2020, 01:26:53 PM by Mistwell »

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Re: 2020 Election Commentary
« Reply #632 on: November 06, 2020, 01:34:32 PM »
Bwahahahahaha it's not fucking "well known" at all.

Pew Research - Trump had 87% approval among Republicans in August 2020
https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2020/08/24/trumps-approval-ratings-so-far-are-unusually-stable-and-deeply-partisan/

Also, you're proving my point about the anomaly. How is Biden both the MOST POPULAR candidate for President in history yet unable to win down ticket races for his party? 

1) Many Republicans left the part to be independents. Count myself as one of them. I've been a registered Republican since 1987. I changed my party affiliation in California to No Party Preference.
2) 13% of Republicans is more than enough than needed to elect Biden but still elect Republicans in the House and Senate races, in close races. Trump is losing by a percent or two in some states. Meanwhile Republicans in the House and Senate races in states are often winning by a percentage or two. THAT IS THE DIFFERENCE. That's the "Never Trump" vote.

Though I have not called myself a Never-Trumper. If Sanders or Warren had been the nominee my vote would have been different this time. But Biden was in my top three of choices for "OK I can hold my nose and vote that way". I think a lot of Republicans are in the same boat. And by "a lot" I mean roughly 20%, or 1 in 5. Many, like myself, went independent. Others remained Republicans but are in that 13% who do not support Trump.

And we made the difference this election. We got the Republicans to (it looks like) retain the Senate, and increase their representatives in the House. And we will help get the Republicans to win back the House next election. You don't need to support Trump, to support the Republican party and conservative ideology. Trump's platform was never particularly "conservative" anyway in my view. His constant attacks on McCain and Romney, the last two nominees from the party prior to him, demonstrates he was not particularly in line with the party to begin with. He's nothing like either W. Bush or Bush Sr. for that matter either.

And you can insult us all you want, but you're going to need our support to fight against Social Justice Warriors promoting progressive agendas. You're going to need every ally you can find.
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Re: 2020 Election Commentary
« Reply #633 on: November 06, 2020, 01:49:08 PM »
Trump's platform was never particularly "conservative" anyway in my view.

That's kinda why I can stomach him, honestly. Unfortunately, I can't vote in the general from where I live. My preference would have been Tulsi Gabbard, though. But Trump vs Biden I would've voted for Trump if I could (not that it would matter much, since I suspect most people in PR would vote Democrat if this was a state).

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« Last Edit: November 06, 2020, 01:54:24 PM by Mistwell »

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Re: 2020 Election Commentary
« Reply #635 on: November 06, 2020, 02:20:59 PM »
All you have is FUD anymore. Starting to admit is  not the act of admitting.

FUD and MSM lies is how Biden will "win" the election, not through any actual sort of legitimate vote count. Trump has enough litigation going now that this thing is going to drag out and probably be decided by the Supreme Court. Anyone who says otherwise is just drinking the Kool-Aid.

I particularly like how the MSM is trying to gaslight everyone into thinking it's all over, and there are no open investigations into voter fraud. Almost like they're complicit...
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Re: 2020 Election Commentary
« Reply #636 on: November 06, 2020, 02:38:10 PM »
FUD and MSM lies is how Biden will "win" the election, not through any actual sort of legitimate vote count. Trump has enough litigation going now that this thing is going to drag out and probably be decided by the Supreme Court. Anyone who says otherwise is just drinking the Kool-Aid.

I particularly like how the MSM is trying to gaslight everyone into thinking it's all over, and there are no open investigations into voter fraud. Almost like they're complicit...
Well, at least that's a concrete prediction that will be confirmed or not within a month or so. It's possible that something related to the election will reach the Supreme Court, but I don't foresee a case like Florida in 2000 where the Supreme Court decides on the election result. I'm fine to wait and see what happens.

Also, Brad, you had a previous claim that 90% turnout among registered voters was ludicrous, but you never answered about my clarification. Could I ask again? It seems to me that 90% among registered voters is normal, not ludicrous.

Debunked by Polifact and Snopes. Someone was comparing 2020 vote totals to 2018 registration; the total registered before the 2020 election was higher than the votes, and Wisconsin allows registration at the polling place.
Even using the "reported" numbers, that's still like a 90% turnout...which is fucking ludicrous if you know anything about elections.

Brad, I think you may be confusing turnout among *eligible* voters and turnout among *registered* voters. For example, in 2016, there were 157 million registered voters and 137 million votes. That's 87%. An individual swing state with 90% is not at all ludicrous.

The more commonly reported number is turnout among *eligible* voters. For example, nationally there were 231 million eligible voters in 2016, which is a turnout of 59%. A turnout of 90% among *eligible* voters would be suspicious, I agree. But that's not the case here.

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Re: 2020 Election Commentary
« Reply #637 on: November 06, 2020, 02:46:32 PM »
All you have is FUD anymore. Starting to admit is  not the act of admitting.

FUD and MSM lies is how Biden will "win" the election, not through any actual sort of legitimate vote count. Trump has enough litigation going now that this thing is going to drag out and probably be decided by the Supreme Court. Anyone who says otherwise is just drinking the Kool-Aid.

I particularly like how the MSM is trying to gaslight everyone into thinking it's all over, and there are no open investigations into voter fraud. Almost like they're complicit...

Anyone who says otherwise is simply better at mathematics than you.

If you max out the allegations of fraud with any evidence, and just assume all those votes are Trump votes (which of course they are not), it does not add up to enough to change the result.

That's what the White House realized last night. It's what an overwhelming majority of the nation will realize in a matter of a couple weeks.
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Re: 2020 Election Commentary
« Reply #638 on: November 06, 2020, 02:48:34 PM »
Some outlets are calling this for Biden.  It looks like there was some fuckery in PA.  Let’s see if Biden wins GA, AZ or NV.  At that point Trump really has nothing. 

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Re: 2020 Election Commentary
« Reply #639 on: November 06, 2020, 02:50:01 PM »
Some outlets are calling this for Biden.  It looks like there was some fuckery in PA.  Let’s see if Biden wins GA, AZ or NV.  At that point Trump really has nothing.

The problem is the "allegations of fuckery in Pennsylvania" are over less than a couple thousand votes. Biden's margin is so much larger than that in Pennsylvania that they're like Bob Dornan's old claims of fraud in the election he lost. They will get a "So...you think you lost by slightly less than you lost by?"

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Re: 2020 Election Commentary
« Reply #640 on: November 06, 2020, 02:53:31 PM »
Greetings!

It is boggling to think this country will swallow the fucking Marxists defrauding the election to gain power and overthrow our Republic. Biden and Kamala? The idea that this election would be close is absurd.

The country wants to be on their knees and plough-fucked in the ass by Marxism, and have their guns taken away so they can be defenseless sheep, sucking down more globalist, cock-sucking Liberal jello.

Fucking pathetic.

This country had better wake the fuck up and fight against the goddamned Marxist takeover of our nation or we are fucked into oblivion. Fuck all the whiny, cock-sucking Liberal Marxist sheep. There won't be another election, for all the mushy middle "reasonable" sheep. If the country can't keep a ticket like Biden and Harris from siezing power, what fucking hope would the country have against an actually stronger, slicker, more competent, and glossier Marxist ticket, like, oh, AOC? This country is going to fucking burn. This is the 11th hour, and the barbarians are at te gates. America is on the edge of plunging into the abyss.

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Re: 2020 Election Commentary
« Reply #641 on: November 06, 2020, 02:55:32 PM »
The problem is the "allegations of fuckery in Pennsylvania" are over less than a couple thousand votes. Biden's margin is so much larger than that in Pennsylvania that they're like Bob Dornan's old claims of fraud in the election he lost. They will get a "So...you think you lost by slightly less than you lost by?"
I’m not saying it really makes any difference but some of the actions in PA looked like a resistance to transparency.  Fueling the tin foil hattery we’ve been hearing.

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Re: 2020 Election Commentary
« Reply #642 on: November 06, 2020, 02:58:22 PM »
https://www.newsmax.com/newsmax-tv/trey-trainor-fec-trump-2020-election/2020/11/06/id/995772/

"Chair of the Federal Election Commission Trey Trainor believes voter fraud is taking place in states still counting ballots."

https://twitter.com/i/status/1324793898724720646

Not responding to CCP shills, just gonna post this stuff so people who aren't gaslighting/fucking retarded have a chance to make their own decision.
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Re: 2020 Election Commentary
« Reply #643 on: November 06, 2020, 02:58:50 PM »
Greetings!

It is boggling to think this country will swallow the fucking Marxists defrauding the election to gain power and overthrow our Republic. Biden and Kamala? The idea that this election would be close is absurd.

The country wants to be on their knees and plough-fucked in the ass by Marxism, and have their guns taken away so they can be defenseless sheep, sucking down more globalist, cock-sucking Liberal jello.

Fucking pathetic.

This country had better wake the fuck up and fight against the goddamned Marxist takeover of our nation or we are fucked into oblivion. Fuck all the whiny, cock-sucking Liberal Marxist sheep. There won't be another election, for all the mushy middle "reasonable" sheep. If the country can't keep a ticket like Biden and Harris from siezing power, what fucking hope would the country have against an actually stronger, slicker, more competent, and glossier Marxist ticket, like, oh, AOC? This country is going to fucking burn. This is the 11th hour, and the barbarians are at te gates. America is on the edge of plunging into the abyss.

Semper Fidelis,

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I recognize a marxist when I see one. My brother is a marxist.

I've watched Biden as a Senator, and his campaigns for President, all my life. Biden is no marxist. Biden is a bog-standard pro-union Democrat. He isn't a social justice warrior and barely tolerates that wing of his party. He isn't a marxist and barely tolerates the AOC's of his party. Biden isn't a barbarian at the gate - he's the same bog standard Democrat that has run for President for your entire adult life.

But it's the internet. And so hyperbole reigns supreme. So we get allegations of the world ending. And in four years when the world has not ended and there is another election, I am sure you and others will again make the claim that the world is about to end if he wins reelection. Despite the fact that nothing much happened for the four prior years with Biden as President which would suggest the world would end.

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Re: 2020 Election Commentary
« Reply #644 on: November 06, 2020, 03:01:10 PM »
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=By7yNZsa8x0

"There is no election fraud in PA!"
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