2020 Election Commentary

[jhkim]

Or maybe you're so far up your own media you've lost all ability to see nuance? Stop believing your own boogeyman stories and start actually being Conservative.

https://thehill.com/policy/energy-environment/368581-california-approves-closure-of-last-nuclear-power-plant

LOL

Maybe get a fucking clue..?

I agree that California and most Democrats are biased against nuclear power. But the Republican party and Republican-dominated states are no better with nuclear power, and they have the bonus of promoting fossil fuels. Trump in particular has been promoting coal power.

There have been some bipartisan efforts that have quietly paved the way for more nuclear power under Obama and under Trump, but they're faltering mostly under public opinion on nuclear power which is increasingly negative.

[jeff37923]

Trump in particular has been promoting coal power.

Could you provide a source for this?

[Delete_me]

Maybe get a fucking clue..?

I'd ask you to figure out what nuance means first, but nobody cares if you do.

[Snowman0147]

Trump has been protecting coal miners so they can keep their jobs and put food on the table for their families.

[Brad]

I'd ask you to figure out what nuance means first, but nobody cares if you do.

What's it like to be proven demonstrably wrong, and yet claim you're right?

"Nuance" - a weaselly lawyer word to avoid perjury.

[Delete_me]

I'm not in the habit of answering self-reflective rhetorical questions someone else asks, so I'll wait for you to answer yourself.

[jhkim]

Trump in particular has been promoting coal power.

Could you provide a source for this?

Sure.

From whitehouse.gov,

LETTING COAL COUNTRY WORK AGAIN: Today, President Donald J. Trump signed legislation (House Joint Resolution 38) to stop the costly "Stream Protection Rule" from further harming coal workers and the communities that depend on them.

Source: https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefings-statements/president-trump-putting-coal-country-back-work/

From Fox News,

President Trump had promised to do everything he could to lift the coal mining industry. Trump began to make good on his pledge last month when he eliminated the Stream Protection Rule, which had placed layers of regulations on the industry.

Source: https://www.foxnews.com/us/coal-mining-begins-seeing-revival-as-trump-gives-industry-hope

Trump has been protecting coal miners so they can keep their jobs and put food on the table for their families.

The only reason why coal can be profitable is because they are allowed to dump poisons into the environment without repercussion - while nuclear and other industries are held to much stricter regulation. The pollution caused by coal has clearly proven negative effects on the workers as well as everyone else, costing thousands of lives every year. That's a clear network externality. Government needs to regulate, or coal can continue to profit by shitting on everyone else. It's foolish and harmful to prop it up.

I'm all for helping former miners find other work, but poisoning everyone so they can keep doing the job they used to is not a positive for the nation.

[Shasarak]

He's been openly anti-environmental, promoting frickin coal while doing nothing about nuclear power.

I know that many people do not like Michael Moore and sure he looks like the archetypal old fat racist white man and on the other hand his movie Planet of the Humans makes some interesting points regarding "Green" energy.

And of course you have the rolling blackouts in California.

But yeah frickin coal, am I right?

[EOTB]

I'd ask you to figure out what nuance means first, but nobody cares if you do.

What's it like to be proven demonstrably wrong, and yet claim you're right?

"Nuance" - a weaselly lawyer word to avoid perjury.

You need to start being "actually conservative", Brad!  Just like all those Acela Repubs. 

Conservatism is about oligarchy, becoming a service economy, imperialism, and globalism.  All while preferring to unilaterally hold to the queensberry rules even if it means getting blown off the political battlefield by an opponent who does not.  The traditions our founding fathers fought for.

[Pat]

I know that many people do not like Michael Moore and sure he looks like the archetypal old fat racist white man and on the other hand his movie Planet of the Humans makes some interesting points regarding "Green" energy.

I despise Moore, but Planet of the Humans sounds interesting. I might have to give it a watch.

[Spinachcat]

Everyone should always obey California.
https://babylonbee.com/news/state-with-no-electricity-orders-everyone-to-drive-cars-that-run-on-electricity

I despise Moore, but Planet of the Humans sounds interesting. I might have to give it a watch.

Utterly imperfect, but worth a watch.

My interest got piqued when the Climate Clowns demanded the movie be memory holed and Michael Moore cancelled. No surprise because while it fumbles constantly, it shatters the "green myth" of electric cars.

[Ratman_tf]

The only reason why coal can be profitable is because they are allowed to dump poisons into the environment without repercussion - while nuclear and other industries are held to much stricter regulation. The pollution caused by coal has clearly proven negative effects on the workers as well as everyone else, costing thousands of lives every year. That's a clear network externality. Government needs to regulate, or coal can continue to profit by shitting on everyone else. It's foolish and harmful to prop it up.

I'm all for helping former miners find other work, but poisoning everyone so they can keep doing the job they used to is not a positive for the nation.

It sounds like your issue isn't with Trump supporting coal, or coal power, but the specific regulations (or lack therof) that exist now.

If you don't live near convenient hydroelectric power, hydrocarbon is the only viable alternative right now. Those electric cars need to pollute somehow to juice up their batteries.

[jeff37923]

The only reason why coal can be profitable is because they are allowed to dump poisons into the environment without repercussion - while nuclear and other industries are held to much stricter regulation. The pollution caused by coal has clearly proven negative effects on the workers as well as everyone else, costing thousands of lives every year. That's a clear network externality. Government needs to regulate, or coal can continue to profit by shitting on everyone else. It's foolish and harmful to prop it up.

I'm all for helping former miners find other work, but poisoning everyone so they can keep doing the job they used to is not a positive for the nation.

OK, now you can justify your statement that coal can only be profitable if the industry is allowed to wantonly pollute. Let's see the supporting evidence.

Is Trump rolling back the ridiculous overregulation of the EPA? Yes, and a damn good thing it is.

I know you believe that Orange Man Bad, but he's still not a mustache twirling cartoon villain as you suggest.

[Ghostmaker]

Guess those coal miners should just #learntocode amirite?

Oh wait, that didn't play well for the Democrats AT ALL, did it?

[Brad]

You need to start being "actually conservative", Brad!  Just like all those Acela Repubs. 

Conservatism is about oligarchy, becoming a service economy, imperialism, and globalism.  All while preferring to unilaterally hold to the queensberry rules even if it means getting blown off the political battlefield by an opponent who does not.  The traditions our founding fathers fought for.

Idealism is all fine and nice, but does fuck all during an actual war. Pontificating in ivory towers about shouldland is best left to the pseudo-intellectuals because they literally offer nothing valuable that's applicable to real life. I thank Thomas Sowell for making me feel better about having abject contempt for those morons.

Anyway, two more things...I voted this morning, didn't wear a fucking mask and I was the only one doing so. No one said a word, and some of the people looked at me like they wanted to take theirs off, so maybe this small act of defiance will encourage others not to let their rights be so easily trampled.

Further, modern coal-burning plants are some of the most sophisticated things ever created and are essentially carbon-neutral once you factor in all the mitigation protocols during the process. Just like modern diesel engines...which are FAR more environmentally friendly than electric, but you'll never hear a leftist utter such words as that would totally blow holes in their "climate change" agenda. If they're so concerned with the climate, why do they fly around in private jets and live in 10k sqft houses?