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2020 Election Commentary

Started by deadDMwalking, July 17, 2020, 04:22:33 PM

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jhkim

#345
October 16, 2020, 05:06:21 AM
Quote from: CRKrueger on October 13, 2020, 02:33:25 PM
At this point, it almost seems like someone is purposely trying to cause enough Chaos to invalidate the election, no matter who wins.

1. Give people a week to vote, with one guaranteed paid day off to any worker during that time.
2. Voter ID system, with the gov't paying for it.
3. In-person voting with paper ballots only, or solicited mail ballots through an application process, provided voter rolls are proven accurate.
4. Official party and neutral 3rd party auditors.
5. LEO security of ballots.
I'm good with all of these. But I think #4 is crucial -- the first step should be to investigate. We need to find those responsible for voter fraud, and understand the extent of the problem. We shouldn't blindly create new laws and systems without thorough investigation. If there is widespread fraud, then we should catch and prosecute those responsible.

As an addition regarding the census -- it would be reasonable to amend the Constitution to dispense with the census, and instead allocate seats based on the number of registered voters rather than the population. (This would be a change that hurts Democrats.)


Quote from: CRKrueger on October 15, 2020, 06:09:59 PM
The only people without ID's are homeless or people so old they are outside the system and never got SS.

Voter ID is not an attempt to suppress the Black Vote, there's other methods for that.
Voter ID is an attempt to suppress the Illegal Immigrant Vote, which should not exist to begin with.
There are many people who have a Social Security Number, but do not have a valid _photo_ ID. (Social Security cards are not photo ID.) Estimates vary, but even critics accept that there are at least 1% of registered voters who don't have a valid photo ID. The simplest cases are young people (especially 18-24) who do not yet have a driver's license. There are also many people (especially among the elderly) who previously had a driver's license, but it has expired.

I would agree that support for state-based voter ID laws are motivated primarily by claims of illegal immigrant votes or other fraud. Studies conflict over what effect they actually have, though. Some studies claim suppressed voter turnout, but others find no such effect on voter turnout. Here's a recent analysis for no visible effect, for example:

http://stanford.edu/~jgrimmer/comment_final.pdf

Conversely, though, there hasn't been demonstrated any significant effect of illegal immigrant vote suppression. Hence, I think there should be more data collection and investigation.

Brad

#346
October 16, 2020, 09:07:49 AM
If someone doesn't have a valid photo ID, then they should probably get one because it's hard to do a lot of things without it. You can't even get a library card here without an ID, so that 1% can fuck off for all I care. Instead of buying monster energy drinks and lottery tickets, save up the $15 for a fucking ID.
It takes considerable knowledge just to realize the extent of your own ignorance.

RandyB

#347
October 16, 2020, 10:53:55 AM
Quote from: Kiero on October 16, 2020, 03:50:04 AM
What great lengths will your US media outlets go to pretend the revelations about Hunter Biden aren't happening today?

The Facebook, Twitter, and YouTube are committing hari kiri to keep anything related to this off of their platforms.

What is it about this particular issue that they are willing to make this the hill they die on?

Steven Mitchell

#348
October 16, 2020, 12:43:09 PM
Quote from: RandyB on October 16, 2020, 10:53:55 AM
Quote from: Kiero on October 16, 2020, 03:50:04 AM
What great lengths will your US media outlets go to pretend the revelations about Hunter Biden aren't happening today?

The Facebook, Twitter, and YouTube are committing hari kiri to keep anything related to this off of their platforms.

What is it about this particular issue that they are willing to make this the hill they die on?

Test run for election day when they will be shutting down even more users.

jhkim

#349
October 16, 2020, 04:09:35 PM
Quote from: RandyB on October 16, 2020, 10:53:55 AM
Quote from: Kiero on October 16, 2020, 03:50:04 AM
What great lengths will your US media outlets go to pretend the revelations about Hunter Biden aren't happening today?
The Facebook, Twitter, and YouTube are committing hari kiri to keep anything related to this off of their platforms.

What is it about this particular issue that they are willing to make this the hill they die on?
Huh. So Trump shared a Babylon Bee article describing what was happening.



Source: https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1317044556328730625

Here's the Babylon Bee article:

QuoteIn a last-ditch effort to stop negative stories about Joe Biden and his family from spreading, Twitter shut down its entire social network Thursday.

After seeing account after account tweet out one particularly bad story, CEO Jack Dorsey realized he had to take action. Dorsey smashed a glass box in his office reading "Break In Case Of Bad Publicity For Democrats." Inside the case was a sledgehammer for smashing Twitter's servers.

"Red alert -- shut the servers down! Shut them all down!"

Dorsey ran downstairs and started smashing as many computers as he could, but he did need to ask for some help, as the hammer was pretty heavy.

I don't expect much, but it's kind of amazing that Trump himself would share this blatant parody.

Shasarak

#350
October 16, 2020, 04:19:21 PM
Yeah, parody.

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Brad

#351
October 16, 2020, 04:58:57 PM
It takes considerable knowledge just to realize the extent of your own ignorance.

moonsweeper

#352
October 16, 2020, 05:05:07 PM
Quote from: jhkim on October 16, 2020, 04:09:35 PM

I don't expect much, but it's kind of amazing that Trump himself would share this blatant parody.

I think the proper term is 'satire' not 'parody'...

...and I am guessing maybe he found it funny and wanted to share the humor with his followers?
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Ghostmaker

#353
October 17, 2020, 03:05:42 PM
Quote from: moonsweeper on October 16, 2020, 05:05:07 PM
Quote from: jhkim on October 16, 2020, 04:09:35 PM

I don't expect much, but it's kind of amazing that Trump himself would share this blatant parody.

I think the proper term is 'satire' not 'parody'...

...and I am guessing maybe he found it funny and wanted to share the humor with his followers?
He's been known to share things he finds humorous before. The only problem is that the left then loses their minds (well, more so than normal). He shared that gif of himself on WWE slamming some dude (with a CNN logo superimposed over his face) and the left went all out to dox the guy who made the gif. Classy.

Spinachcat

#354
October 17, 2020, 10:14:12 PM
Remember black Americans, if you step out of line, the left will punch the teeth out of your mouth because they're the "Party of Science and Tolerance".

https://twitter.com/TeamSaveAmerica/status/1317549194119245824

Spinachcat

#355
October 17, 2020, 10:21:18 PM
Quote from: RandyB on October 16, 2020, 10:53:55 AM
The Facebook, Twitter, and YouTube are committing hari kiri to keep anything related to this off of their platforms.

What is it about this particular issue that they are willing to make this the hill they die on?

There's no hari kari or hill dying...unfortunately.

If Harris/Biden wins, they will be rewarded.

If Trump wins, he didn't smash them for 4 years so it's doubtful anything will happen in the next 4 years, especially considering Bill Barr is about as useful as Droopy Dawg. I'd like to be wrong, but Trump's only focus will be the economy and judges and the AG will sit on his ass while the FBI continues to hinder justice.

I can't see the RINOs that make up the vast majority of Republicans in Congress raising a finger to stop Big Tech, let alone drain the swamp. They don't even care if Trump wins because they'd rather sit back and collect a salary under Biden while reclaiming "their party" from Trump's deplorables.

But Ted Cruz will definitely talk real tough about tech censorship on his podcast.

Hawkwing7423

#356
October 17, 2020, 10:31:43 PM
Spinachcat, as usual your analysis looks good. It doesn't matter who the AG is, Trump has had 2 do nothings so far. The whole institution seems corrupt and tied to the two-tier justice system.

jhkim

#357
October 18, 2020, 07:50:58 PM
Quote from: Brad on October 16, 2020, 04:58:57 PM
Quote from: jhkim on October 16, 2020, 04:09:35 PMI don't expect much, but it's kind of amazing that Trump himself would share this blatant parody.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8bXgULtz6cI
https://www.zerohedge.com/political/hunter-biden-business-associate-flips-prison-releases-emails-detailing-china-influence

Yep, 100% parody.

I don't get it. The point is that The Babylon Bee article that Trump linked is a parody. It is blatantly so. Are you trying to claim that The Babylon Bee article is *not* parody? The Babylon Bee openly declares itself to be a satire site, and the article Trump linked described the Twitter CEO smashing servers with a sledgehammer.

I'm not making any claim about Hunter Biden, just that The Babylon Bee article is satire. (And apologies if I'm misusing satire vs parody - the point is that it's humorous false content.)

Melichor

#358
October 18, 2020, 10:01:35 PM
Quote from: jhkim on October 18, 2020, 07:50:58 PM
I don't get it. The point is that The Babylon Bee article that Trump linked is a parody. It is blatantly so. Are you trying to claim that The Babylon Bee article is *not* parody? The Babylon Bee openly declares itself to be a satire site, and the article Trump linked described the Twitter CEO smashing servers with a sledgehammer.

I'm not making any claim about Hunter Biden, just that The Babylon Bee article is satire. (And apologies if I'm misusing satire vs parody - the point is that it's humorous false content.)

There really isn't anything to get.
The people without TDS see Trump trolling the left, again.
The people with TDS think Trump really believes it, and tweeted it because Trump is ignorant and stupid.

As much as you want him to be ignorant and stupid, Trump is neither. He's an arrogant asshole and he lives in the heads of Elitist idiots.
It's big reason why mainstream Americans are supporting him. You know, all the people that are tired of the condescension, the name-calling, and the social engineering designed to eradicate the traditions and values they hold.

Ratman_tf

#359
October 18, 2020, 11:17:37 PM
Quote from: jhkim on October 18, 2020, 07:50:58 PM
I'm not making any claim about Hunter Biden, just that The Babylon Bee article is satire. (And apologies if I'm misusing satire vs parody - the point is that it's humorous false content.)

The point of Babylon Bee is that they exaggerate real news and trends. It wouldn't be funny if it didn't contain an element of truth.

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