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Re: 2020 Election Commentary
« Reply #330 on: October 14, 2020, 07:39:06 PM »
I've to admit it's a mistery to me how in the USA the simple concept of "you need to be able to prove your identity to a police officer" is seen as somehow an attack of personal freedom.

Luca, nobody's gonna argue against Italians doing food and voter ID better than the USA.

It's two areas we could definitely improve.

In the USA, personal freedom is extremely important so carrying ID 24/7 would be considered onerous by many, even though most of us do. However, the anti-voter ID attitude is heavily coming from Democrat politicians, not even that loudly from actual Democrat voters. As that Harlem video I posted above showed, black Americans think its weird and ignorant that white liberals believe that owning ID, getting ID or using the internet are beyond the ken of black people.

In fact, black Americans have repeatedly made it clear their concern is LONG LINES when voting, not whether they need to show their driver's license. If you had two lines almost anywhere in the USA, one for no ID and one for ID and the ID line was half the wait, 99% of everyone would go into the ID line.

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Re: 2020 Election Commentary
« Reply #331 on: October 14, 2020, 08:17:03 PM »
It may sound like a joke or hyperbole, but this just happened, due to one statement by Judge Amy Coney Barrett (a phrase also previously used by Biden BTW)


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Re: 2020 Election Commentary
« Reply #332 on: October 14, 2020, 08:17:20 PM »
RE: voter ID, I have to show my drivers license to vote, so this is mostly a bunch of blustery nonsense. Never seen anyone ever complain about having to show ID, either, and I've voted in almost every election in person since I was just out of high school. The only people who bitch about it are DC bureaucrats trying to get votes from people who literally don't give a fuck. Seriously, it's always white Karen's so concerned with poor blacks/hispanics feeling "disenfranchised", while I never actually see those people say anything unless they think it might get them some free booze.
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Re: 2020 Election Commentary
« Reply #333 on: October 14, 2020, 10:39:22 PM »
It may sound like a joke or hyperbole, but this just happened, due to one statement by Judge Amy Coney Barrett (a phrase also previously used by Biden BTW)



ACB apologized today. I understand why she did it, she's got to walk a very thin tightrope to get through the interviews, but goddamn that was retarted.
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Re: 2020 Election Commentary
« Reply #334 on: October 14, 2020, 11:38:23 PM »
I guess there are some people that think that sex is not real and at the same time sexual preference is.

I wish people would just stuck to the Science.
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Re: 2020 Election Commentary
« Reply #335 on: October 15, 2020, 10:47:24 AM »
I guess there are some people that think that sex is not real and at the same time sexual preference is.

I wish people would just stuck to the Science.

But that requires work like reading and understanding -- it is so much easier to just be sciency for political reasons.

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Re: 2020 Election Commentary
« Reply #336 on: October 15, 2020, 10:50:59 AM »
I guess there are some people that think that sex is not real and at the same time sexual preference is.

I wish people would just stuck to the Science.

But that requires work like reading and understanding -- it is so much easier to just be sciency for political reasons.

Worse. Science is actively shunned by some people on the left now, because of colonialism or.....something.

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Re: 2020 Election Commentary
« Reply #337 on: October 15, 2020, 11:04:33 AM »
“Science” is a sexist cisheteronormative white supremacist tool used to suppress “other ways of knowing” to facilitate the oppression of mArGiNaLiZeD people.

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« Reply #338 on: October 15, 2020, 05:40:19 PM »
I live in a 3rd world country, where voting is obligatory, and voter ID is required. It's seriously absurd to think that the United States couldn't have Voter ID work.
I agree. It's perfectly possible for the U.S. to have a good voter ID system. As I understand it, voter ID works in Uruguay because they offer *free* birth certificate and voter ID to every citizen, and require all citizens to register and to vote. Largely because of this, they have a voter participation rate of 90%, compared to 55% in the U.S. They even have a system going that gets people valid ID from birth.

https://www.cartercenter.org/resources/pdfs/peace/democracy/des/voter-identification-requirements.pdf

I would favor a U.S. system that gets free ID into everyone's hands. Currently, ID is treated like a privilege - you have to pay to get it, and the onus is on the citizen to get their state ID. Thus, there is a small percentage of people who are valid citizens but have no valid ID. It's only a few percent, but in this day and age, just 1% can be an important shift in elections.

The recent state-based pushes for voter ID requirements are mostly requiring the current pay-to-get IDs. What I found enlightening was the many examples of people struggling to get valid ID in the Harvard Law School report on voter ID.

https://today.law.harvard.edu/wp-content/uploads/2014/06/FullReportVoterIDJune20141.pdf


I'm not particularly endorsing Uruguay's required voting approach. However, if you're going to use it as an example, I think that system would almost certainly favor the Democrats. Generally speaking, the Republicans do better among men, whites, and the rich. The Democrats do better among women, non-whites, and the poor. Among these, the main group who vote less are the poor. Increased voter turnout to 90% would almost certainly favor Democrats.

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Re: 2020 Election Commentary
« Reply #339 on: October 15, 2020, 06:09:59 PM »
Voter ID is waaaaaaaaaycist!!!



It's quite obvious that any black Americans in Harlem who believe they actually have ID or know how to get an ID are suffering from delusions caused by the constant oppression from white supremacy.

There is literally no other explanation for this video.

There’s tons of racism in this video...all on display from the White liberals, as usual.  They think Black people are some feral tribesmen living in a third world hellhole.

1. A Black person with a job, has an ID.
2. A Black person without a job, who has some form of Gov’t assistance, has an ID.

The only people without ID’s are homeless or people so old they are outside the system and never got SS.

Voter ID is not an attempt to suppress the Black Vote, there’s other methods for that.
Voter ID is an attempt to suppress the Illegal Immigrant Vote, which should not exist to begin with.
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Re: 2020 Election Commentary
« Reply #340 on: October 15, 2020, 06:15:06 PM »
It may sound like a joke or hyperbole, but this just happened, due to one statement by Judge Amy Coney Barrett (a phrase also previously used by Biden BTW)



To be honest, Sexual Orientation should be used, it’s a more accurate term.

Still, though, the idea that dictionaries change literally in hours based on social media outcry’s due to political agendas is truly frightening.

No other possible way to describe it but Orwellian.
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Re: 2020 Election Commentary
« Reply #341 on: October 15, 2020, 06:41:42 PM »
Greetings!

All the crying about "Voter Suppression!" and hand-wringing about poor people being unable to get an ID...

Whaa! Whaa! It's fucking pathetic. I have had an ID all of my life. School ID, of course, and then at 16 the Driver's License. Later, I got the Military ID and a State ID card.

I always carry *two* forms of valid ID with me, at all times, everywhere. I have the State ID and a Driver's License.

Driver's Licenses and State ID's are not expensive or too burdensome. It takes an hour of time, and $50 bucks to get both forms of ID or less. All of the whining is just laziness and looking for excuses and something else to blame white people for...something. More stupid nonsense "Oppression!" These people can REEE the fuck off.

Get a valid form of ID, walk their stupid asses down to a local church, senior citizen center, school, or some government office, as appropriate, and fucking VOTE. It isn't rocket science, a fucking 10 year old child can comprehend how to get this shit done.

The fact that we have adults hopping around in newspaper articles and TV interviews crying about voter suppression and people being unable to get a goddamned ID is malignant and fucking stupid. These morons are frauds and fucking demagogues.

Goddamn these people need to grow the fuck up!

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« Reply #342 on: October 15, 2020, 07:06:31 PM »
^ This guy gets it.

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Re: 2020 Election Commentary
« Reply #343 on: October 15, 2020, 11:43:06 PM »
Greetings!

All the crying about "Voter Suppression!" and hand-wringing about poor people being unable to get an ID...

Whaa! Whaa! It's fucking pathetic. I have had an ID all of my life. School ID, of course, and then at 16 the Driver's License. Later, I got the Military ID and a State ID card.

I always carry *two* forms of valid ID with me, at all times, everywhere. I have the State ID and a Driver's License.

Driver's Licenses and State ID's are not expensive or too burdensome. It takes an hour of time, and $50 bucks to get both forms of ID or less. All of the whining is just laziness and looking for excuses and something else to blame white people for...something. More stupid nonsense "Oppression!" These people can REEE the fuck off.

Get a valid form of ID, walk their stupid asses down to a local church, senior citizen center, school, or some government office, as appropriate, and fucking VOTE. It isn't rocket science, a fucking 10 year old child can comprehend how to get this shit done.

The fact that we have adults hopping around in newspaper articles and TV interviews crying about voter suppression and people being unable to get a goddamned ID is malignant and fucking stupid. These morons are frauds and fucking demagogues.

Goddamn these people need to grow the fuck up!

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I agree. I came to America a few years back. It didn't take that long to get a valid ID. I think they're handling black people like children or something.

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Re: 2020 Election Commentary
« Reply #344 on: October 16, 2020, 03:50:04 AM »
What great lengths will your US media outlets go to pretend the revelations about Hunter Biden aren't happening today?
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