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Author Topic: 2020 Election Commentary  (Read 185051 times)

Hawkwing7423

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Re: 2020 Election Commentary
« Reply #285 on: September 25, 2020, 11:15:52 PM »
Why do you think it is widespread and getting worse?
If there is massive mail in voting, the fraud can be worse. the Postal Workers Union endorsed Biden but we should expect them to deliver votes perfectly without bias?


If someone is legally allowed to vote, they attest that they are voting, and their vote is recorded (without ID), how likely do you think fraud is, really? 
I gave examples which you ignored.


As to "without ID" lol then why do we need IDs for so many other things that we do? Bank accounts, driving, buying a gun, buying alcohol, getting a mortgage, etc., etc.


Do you agree/accept that one way to prevent that type of fraud would be to ensure that EVERYONE votes? 
Absolutely not. If they can't be bothered to vote, how can they be even remotely similar to an educated voter?
 They might as well press randomly in the ballot box.


I think it's strange that you would suspect there is massive voter fraud when the people who examine this .


New York Times, so unbiased. The FBI is deep state. Entrenched bureaucracies are more loyal to preserving the bureaucracy than party affiliation or the truth. Hence the nonsense the country endured for 2 years with the Russia dossier.

Or maybe you get your truth from the gut?
Not even worth responding to. Richard J. Daley famously said he got Kennedy the 1960 election with "found" ballots. There is no reason not to use ID in the voting process. Of course, these days they give IDs out to illegal immigrants so even that wouldn't matter unless we ensured only citizens voted.


Who is against voter ID and pushing mail in voting while also having the strictest lockdowns for COVID? The Democrats, of course.
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Re: 2020 Election Commentary
« Reply #286 on: September 26, 2020, 03:01:31 PM »
This was in May, and yet the numbers were already in the 4 digit range for cases of proven Voter Fraud. https://www.heritage.org/election-integrity/commentary/database-swells-1285-proven-cases-voter-fraud-america
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Re: 2020 Election Commentary
« Reply #287 on: September 26, 2020, 03:05:03 PM »
No one should fraud but I believe its widespread and getting worse.


Why do you think it is widespread and getting worse?  If someone is legally allowed to vote, they attest that they are voting, and their vote is recorded (without ID), how likely do you think fraud is, really? 


Do you agree/accept that one way to prevent that type of fraud would be to ensure that EVERYONE votes? 


I think it's strange that you would suspect there is massive voter fraud when the people who examine this .


Or maybe you get your truth from the gut?


How about registered voter ID, which would reduce voter fraud markedly? And actually no, ensuring everyone votes won't prevent voter fraud, as the most common form of voter fraud is voting multiple times in different states or districts...


https://www.heritage.org/election-integrity/commentary/database-swells-1285-proven-cases-voter-fraud-america
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Re: 2020 Election Commentary
« Reply #288 on: September 28, 2020, 04:59:02 AM »
I think it's strange that you would suspect there is massive voter fraud when the people who examine this .
How about registered voter ID, which would reduce voter fraud markedly? And actually no, ensuring everyone votes won't prevent voter fraud, as the most common form of voter fraud is voting multiple times in different states or districts...

https://www.heritage.org/election-integrity/commentary/database-swells-1285-proven-cases-voter-fraud-america
In a country of 328 million, 1285 cases is an extremely small fraction - and that is spread over 4 years and thus hundreds of elections (including state and national elections). That does not contradict the FBI finding. I support finding and prosecuting cases of fraud. But there's a huge difference between 1285 and the supposedly millions of illegal votes that many are claiming.

If the amount of actual fraud is anywhere close to this, then it's far more common for a valid voter to not have a valid ID - which could be more than a million people. (ref) The effect of the law here is to put an additional bureaucratic hurdle and cost for such people to vote. Unequal bureaucratic hurdles decreases voter turnout.

I would say that it is more a problem with the existing American ID systems than anything. The government should really issue all citizens an ID, rather than making ID a privilege that you have to jump through bureaucratic hurdles and pay money to obtain. However, given our existing wacky ID system, then most of the voter ID laws cause more change by making it more difficult for a few valid citizens than reducing fraud. (Especially since not all forms of fraud are prevented by voter ID.)

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Re: 2020 Election Commentary
« Reply #289 on: September 28, 2020, 08:39:03 AM »
In a country of 328 million, 1285 cases is an extremely small fraction - and that is spread over 4 years and thus hundreds of elections (including state and national elections). That does not contradict the FBI finding. I support finding and prosecuting cases of fraud. But there's a huge difference between 1285 and the supposedly millions of illegal votes that many are claiming.

If the amount of actual fraud is anywhere close to this, then it's far more common for a valid voter to not have a valid ID - which could be more than a million people. (ref) The effect of the law here is to put an additional bureaucratic hurdle and cost for such people to vote. Unequal bureaucratic hurdles decreases voter turnout.
That's the one's we've caught, not the total number.

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I would say that it is more a problem with the existing American ID systems than anything. The government should really issue all citizens an ID, rather than making ID a privilege that you have to jump through bureaucratic hurdles and pay money to obtain. However, given our existing wacky ID system, then most of the voter ID laws cause more change by making it more difficult for a few valid citizens than reducing fraud. (Especially since not all forms of fraud are prevented by voter ID.)
One, the federal government lacks a mandate for such. Most states have easy to get photo IDs anyways even if you're poor (and frankly, if you're not willing to haul your fat ass down to the building to GET the ID? I'm not certain you should be voting).


Two, Democrats lose their marbles when photo ID is brought up. It's like they're worried about something...

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Re: 2020 Election Commentary
« Reply #290 on: September 28, 2020, 08:56:25 AM »
I don't consider the number of proving cases of fraud to be useful in this discussion.  It is extremely difficult in most jurisdictions where the fraud is occurring to get the DA to prosecute--even assuming you can get the relevant authorities to pursue enough of a case for the DA to have a shot.  If you do so, you are unlikely to get a conviction.  Yeah, the corrupt people that are doing the fraud are the people in power and you expect us to take lack of convictions as critical to the discussion?  That's taking disingenuous to a new level. 

Here's a fact:  Nowhere gets 100% voter participation.  Here's another fact:  There are almost 400 documented cases in the last few years where a registration board reported voting that exceeded 100% of the registered voters.  Ergo, massive fraud was committed in those areas.  The lack of convictions proves my point above.  There's a lot more that push right up to that 100% number but are mathematically literate enough to not quite go over.  That's not even counting systematically removed votes, such as the multiple times where boards have not counted military ballots in a close election.  (No, I'm not talking the usual case where absentees are not counted if the total number is not enough to change the count.  See 2000 Florida.)

Note that the "registered voter commits fraud" is a tiny percentage of the fraud.  Much of it is illegal aliens voting as non-citizens, but even more is likely the so called "stuffed" ballot boxes, though what constitutes "stuffed" is a little more technically tricky now than when the term was coined.  As with the 2016 Michigan recount, when they stopped the recount when they discovered that the vote tallies in certain areas vastly inflated the number of ballots in the box.  That is, it wasn't that a group of people conspired to make fraudulent votes but rather that the election monitoring officials simply lied about the count.  A classic case of Stalin's voting statement.

There is a deep history of voting fraud in this country, going back to at least 1840's Florida.   Miami-Dade was producing the numbers "needed" even back then.  Some federal investigators ended up in the swamp and never came out again over that one.  Yep, it goes back that far.  It hasn't been all one party, but it has been mostly one party.  Most of the Republican fraud is in the 1870-1890 range, notable for almost complete, sustained power over a lot of areas.  Power corrupts.  Democrats have absolute power in a lot of places for a long time, and it happens to correspond very tightly with those 100%+ voter "turnout" areas.
So let's cut to the chase and lay off the disingenuous crap.

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Re: 2020 Election Commentary
« Reply #292 on: September 28, 2020, 11:02:18 AM »
Nothing to see here, folks!

https://www.projectveritas.com/news/ilhan-omar-connected-cash-for-ballots-voter-fraud-scheme-corrupts-elections/
That bitch needs to be put on the next flight back to her hometown. Posthaste.


Go ahead, call me a racist. She's as dirty as any Chicago Dem. Did they ever untangle who she was actually married to and when?

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Re: 2020 Election Commentary
« Reply #293 on: September 28, 2020, 11:21:26 PM »
Did they ever untangle who she was actually married to and when?
No, as an Islamic female Democrat of color, she has immunity to the law.

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Re: 2020 Election Commentary
« Reply #294 on: September 28, 2020, 11:52:02 PM »

Greetings!


"You get in the van, and they give you cash." From the Project Veritas article that Brad posted. Thank you, Brad!


Fucking scum. Illhan Omar, I've always wondered who the fuck put her into power? They are all corrupt, greedy Marxists. I hope the Federal authorities arrest her, and send her to prison for many, many years. Harsh and unforgiving. She's a fucking traitor and a disgrace to the sincere foreign immigrants that come to this country seeking a better life. Her and all of the fucking "Squad" are a bunch of filthy, diseased rats. All of them are Marxists and Kool-Aid guzzling frauds.


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Re: 2020 Election Commentary
« Reply #295 on: September 29, 2020, 01:15:31 PM »
Isn't the penalty for treason (if her actions are construed as such) still death?
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Re: 2020 Election Commentary
« Reply #296 on: September 30, 2020, 02:35:40 AM »
Isn't the penalty for treason (if her actions are construed as such) still death?


For TREASON? Yes and no: https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/2381
For SEDITION? No: https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/2384


My best guess is they would have to prove her being in Congress is to Damage/Overthrow the U.S. Government, funding or working directly with those the U.S. is currently at war with (War On Terror != Declared 'legal' War), and/or directly being influenced by Foreign Legal Entities outside of U.S. Jurisdiction which are known Hostile Actors to The U.S. Government and/or it's People.


My best guess is: They ship her out to be punished by another country by claiming Citizenship Fraud (Best case scenario - worst case is: Nothing Happens).
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Re: 2020 Election Commentary
« Reply #297 on: September 30, 2020, 06:29:26 PM »
In my 40 years of life everytime i go down to the church to vote you have to show ID even though the workers know you personally and find yourself in a mass of binders and sign the affidavit thing before you get to touch the voting machine. i dont trust mail in ballots and i wont use one, hell or high water, covid or no i will vote in person.

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Re: 2020 Election Commentary
« Reply #298 on: September 30, 2020, 07:05:05 PM »
1285 cases doesn't mean 1285 fraudulent votes, right?
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« Reply #299 on: September 30, 2020, 09:13:14 PM »
Correct. It means 1285 incidents investigated. That means the number of fraudulent votes was probably far less as the investigation most likely turned up a reason of, "I'm a dumbass and forgot I had already done this," from the voter more often than, "I tried to vote twice to steal the election."