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Author Topic: 2020 Election Commentary  (Read 8845 times)

Spinachcat

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Re: 2020 Election Commentary
« Reply #195 on: September 16, 2020, 01:50:34 AM »
Oggsmash, you're talking crazy!

It's not like Burn Loot Murder was funneling money directly to ActBlue on their website so every BLM supporting imbecile's donations to "fight waaaaycism" actually went to Dementia Joe Joe!



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Re: 2020 Election Commentary
« Reply #196 on: September 16, 2020, 10:03:32 AM »
Oggsmash, you're talking crazy!

It's not like Burn Loot Murder was funneling money directly to ActBlue on their website so every BLM supporting imbecile's donations to "fight waaaaycism" actually went to Dementia Joe Joe!
And conversely, funds from the Biden/Harris campaign were being funneled into bail funds to bail out arrested BLM/Antifa rioters.




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Re: 2020 Election Commentary
« Reply #197 on: September 16, 2020, 10:32:34 AM »
The weather is pretty fine in Texas, boys.


Sure we got some mild infection in Austin. But that's Austin, they'll figure it out. When the Rifts open, count on Lone Star.

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Re: 2020 Election Commentary
« Reply #198 on: September 16, 2020, 01:55:29 PM »
It's not like Burn Loot Murder was funneling money directly to ActBlue on their website so every BLM supporting imbecile's donations to "fight waaaaycism" actually went to Dementia Joe Joe!
You're correct, they're not doing that.

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Re: 2020 Election Commentary
« Reply #199 on: September 16, 2020, 07:56:46 PM »
You're correct, they're not doing that.

Because this link doesn't exist on the BLM homepage?It's the big blue square that says Donate!https://secure.actblue.com/donate/ms_blm_homepage_2019
Imagine that! Avowed marxists and domestic terrorists tied at the hip with the DNC's fundraising engine.
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Re: 2020 Election Commentary
« Reply #200 on: September 16, 2020, 09:31:57 PM »
You're correct, they're not doing that.

Because this link doesn't exist on the BLM homepage?It's the big blue square that says Donate!https://secure.actblue.com/donate/ms_blm_homepage_2019
Imagine that! Avowed marxists and domestic terrorists tied at the hip with the DNC's fundraising engine.
We covered this, two or three pages back. Your interpretation is completely wrong.

ActBlue is a fund raising platform, that helps progressive organizations and candidates raise money for those specific organizations and candidates. If you click on the big DONATE on Joe Biden's website, it goes to his campaign, minus a fairly modest transaction fee (about 4%, IIRC). If you click on the big DONATE on the BLM website, it's slightly more complex because BLM is a for-profit company and ActBlue doesn't work with non-profits. So BLM has a foundation that's presumably applying for non-profit status, but in the meantime is being sponsored by Tides, which shares their 503(c)3 status with the BLM foundation. So it's a little more complex because of IRS legal classifications, but it amounts to the same thing: Minus the transaction fees, the money from that big DONATE button on the BLM website goes to BLM (though it's handled by a specific foundation).

ActBlue isn't some secret foundation that takes all the money when you click DONATE on any of those sites, and then distributes it however they want. They're not a Cobalt United Way.

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Re: 2020 Election Commentary
« Reply #201 on: September 17, 2020, 04:56:41 AM »
Pat, the financial shenanigans involving 501(c)3 fundraising was so outrageous even Colbert addressed it back before he lost his brain to TDS.


I'm sure there's no connection whatsoever that Biden had his mega-fundraising happen exactly when BLM became the 24/7 media focus and corporations were dumping millions into BLM (via ActBlue) as protection money, oops, I meant to fight oppression.




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Re: 2020 Election Commentary
« Reply #202 on: September 17, 2020, 07:42:34 AM »
You're confusing completely different things. Colbert mocked Super PACs by creating one and abusing the rules. But a PAC is a 527 organization, not a 501(c)3, which are charities like the Red Cross. Act Blue has separate branches providing support to progressive PACs, 501(c)3s, and 501(c)4s (the latter are primarily social welfare groups), and they have to be legally distinct and meet strict requirements because campaign financing laws and the IRS are more than a little control freaky about things like that.

Biden uses the ActBlue organization for PACs. BLM uses the one for 501(c)3s. So you're arguing that they're funneling money from charities to political advocacy groups, which is an egregious violation of I don't know how many rules in an area with lots of legal and financial scrutiny. That's roughly equivalent to accusing Hillary of eating babies. Which is certainly possible, but you need at least a shred of evidence to even qualify as a conspiracy theory.

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Re: 2020 Election Commentary
« Reply #203 on: September 18, 2020, 12:16:15 AM »
and they have to be legally distinct and meet strict requirements because campaign financing laws and the IRS are more than a little control freaky about things like that.
Control freaky like when the IRS targeted conservative non-profits and fundraising groups under Obama, but magically all the campaign finance issues surrounding AOC and Ilhan Omar vanish like pixie dust?

Definitely "control freaky"...but only in one direction.


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Re: 2020 Election Commentary
« Reply #204 on: September 18, 2020, 04:19:10 AM »
and they have to be legally distinct and meet strict requirements because campaign financing laws and the IRS are more than a little control freaky about things like that.
Control freaky like when the IRS targeted conservative non-profits and fundraising groups under Obama, but magically all the campaign finance issues surrounding AOC and Ilhan Omar vanish like pixie dust?

Definitely "control freaky"...but only in one direction.
You're just moving the goalposts and attempting to tar by association. We're not talking about AOC or Ilhan Omar, maybe a million dollars, abuse of loopholes or vagueness in campaign finance rules exploited by specific campaigns in ways that were clearly unethical but possibly legal, specific details about what happened in both cases, articles in the media that covered all that, and an investigation by authorities. We're talking about ActBlue, hundreds of millions of dollars, an absurd claim with no credible mechanism and no specific details, no articles in the media just vague conspiracy theories based on complete misunderstanding of the basic role of ActBlue, and no formal investigations.

There are definitely problems with bias in how things are approved or whether investigations go forward, but that's what happens when you give the fourth branch of government (the bureaucracy) broad discretion to make judgment calls, as in approving non-profits or selectively deciding which laws to enforce.
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Re: 2020 Election Commentary
« Reply #205 on: September 18, 2020, 08:23:14 AM »
Tar by association? Pat, did you hit your head?


We don't have to tar by association. The Democrats have been happily supporting the rioting lowlifes for some time now. Hell, they're throttling BACK the riots because it's wreaking havoc on the Dems' poll numbers.

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Re: 2020 Election Commentary
« Reply #206 on: September 18, 2020, 11:05:56 AM »
I see Pat is doing the same thing he did in the other thread...claiming there is no obvious link between things because, well, reasons?

BLM funnels money directly to the Democrat party. This is indisputable.

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Re: 2020 Election Commentary
« Reply #207 on: September 18, 2020, 11:26:36 AM »
I see Pat is doing the same thing he did in the other thread...claiming there is no obvious link between things because, well, reasons?

BLM funnels money directly to the Democrat party. This is indisputable.
When they're not getting it from China.


The Black Futures Lab, an outgrowth of BLM, is receiving a nice paycheck from the Chinese Progressive Association.

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Re: 2020 Election Commentary
« Reply #208 on: September 18, 2020, 11:53:30 AM »
When they're not getting it from China.


The Black Futures Lab, an outgrowth of BLM, is receiving a nice paycheck from the Chinese Progressive Association.
"our commitment to use our political strength to stop corporate influences from creeping into progressive policies"

Literally laughed out loud at this. These people are fucking insane.

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Re: 2020 Election Commentary
« Reply #209 on: September 18, 2020, 12:16:22 PM »
Tar by association? Pat, did you hit your head?


We don't have to tar by association. The Democrats have been happily supporting the rioting lowlifes for some time now. Hell, they're throttling BACK the riots because it's wreaking havoc on the Dems' poll numbers.
Did you hit your head? Because we're not talking about that. Spinachcat claimed that the money given to BLM when someone clicks on the big DONATE button on their website really goes to Joe Biden's campaign. I pointed out there's zero evidence for it. There's not even a plausible mechanism by which it can happen.

Spinachcat replied by bringing up campaign finance irregularities with AOC and Ilhan Omar's campaigns, which has nothing to do with ActBlue or BLM. Completely different organizations, probably completely different people, and none of the methods they used would transfer over because their organizational structures and legal requirements are completely different. So it was just a smokescreen, which provides no evidence that BLM is passing money to Biden via ActBlue, or even a method by which it might have been done. So yes, it's an attempt to tar by association. It's equivalent to saying water is blue, so that means anything blue is wet.

I see Pat is doing the same thing he did in the other thread...claiming there is no obvious link between things because, well, reasons?

BLM funnels money directly to the Democrat party. This is indisputable.
I'm sure some of their money ends up supporting them, via individual contributions or PACs. But that's not what we're talking about. Please don't carry over reflexive tribalism.
« Last Edit: September 18, 2020, 12:18:26 PM by Pat »