I don't think my tone could be read as gloating; I was reporting on what the current state of polling is. It is my contention that enough people were certain that Clinton would win that they felt confident in casting a protest vote. If Jill Stein's votes in Michigan had gone to Clinton, she would have carried the state.
Unlike 2016, Trump is inspiring no enthusiasm. His voters are going to stay home in droves. If there's somewhere I can legally bet money on this election, please let me know.
I'll only vote for the candidate whose platform is to annex Mexico.
Unless you live in Mexico why would you want it annexed?
Unless you live in Mexico why would you want it annexed?
Unless you live in Mexico why would you want it annexed?
To send the military against the cartels. Also, stop illegal immigration by bringing the USA to them.The same effective way America managed to stop the Taliban and Isis. Except also giving the Taliban Tickets into the USA.
Also, pre-empt China's world domination plot.There can be more done but that would require a hard 'cold war' type announcement. Not a good position to do that now.
To send the military against the cartels. Also, stop illegal immigration by bringing the USA to them.
It doesn't matter who wins. Everybody will lose.
I'll only vote for the candidate whose platform is to annex Mexico.
The same effective way America managed to stop the Taliban and Isis. Except also giving the Taliban Tickets into the USA.
There can be more done but that would require a hard 'cold war' type announcement. Not a good position to do that now.
I appreciate your healthy skepticism but at times black pills become just blindness inducers.
Baron von Fancy Socks.
The political parties are cancerous now.NOW? When where they ever not cancerous?
They're killing America while China and Russia circle us like vultures.You're grossly overestimating both China and Russia.
Parties have never been good for America, but as the culture war becoming synonymous with political parties, now we're talking un-healable divisions, even within friends, families and most importantly, gaming groups. That's sad.
Parties have never been good for America, but as the culture war becoming synonymous with political parties, now we're talking un-healable divisions, even within friends, families and most importantly, gaming groups. That's sad.
If you're interested in betting on the election, I would start with Sports Geek (https://www.thesportsgeek.com/sportsbooks/political/). They have links to legal betting sites and recommendations.
I highly doubt that.Trump and Biden both have issues with enthusiasm right now but Biden's enthusiasm is completely non-existent while Trump's enthusiasm is depressed and with cancel culture at a fever pitch, it's difficult to tell how much of that is an actual lack of enthusiasm and how much is a lack of visible enthusiasm out of fear of being targeted by some SJW on social media AKA a silent majority
We won't know until November and Biden hasn't even picked a goddamn fucking running mate yet. I'm not making any predictions or giving any ballpark guesses until Joe Biden has a running mate for Vice President or we get a presidential debate on TV, whichever comes first.
Many thanks
Biden doesn't need enthusiasm, he has demographics, democrats galvanized against orange man (who is very, vary bad), and right wingers have been systematically purged from social media for "election interference". The meme warriors that did so much to get Trump elected have taken their ball and gone home. Trump hasn't made good on any of the promises that motivated his voters. When the BLM riots kicked off, and kept getting worse, he has nowhere to be found.
Trump's win in 2020 was a long shot. He was going up against one of the most hated politicians in American history and still barely won. I have no doubt Trump will trounce Biden hilariously in the debates, but it won't matter. Too many of the people he needs to come out are tired of "winning" and tired of his bloviating, empty BS. Even the Q-tards ore beginning to distrust the plan. If I'm wrong then by all means ridicule me on Nov 8th, but I don't know if Biden can lose if he tries.
Except this flies right in the face of 'record breaking Republican primary turnout, even in states where Trump's primary is unopposed'.
Either the Silent Majority is loading the mother of all 'fuck you's' into the electoral artillery chamber, or they're not even in the ballpark.
Worse, Biden is not going to excite the base.
His base knows Biden's not going to be the power in the White House. They aren't voting for Biden. He's just the name on the ticket and won't be more than a figurehead, if he's even kept around. Democrats are voting for liberal and Marxist control and destruction of the nation...and they are VERY motivated to make that happen.That's pretty fucking sad, you know. Not you, but the fact that Democrats are basically electing a meat puppet.
In fact, Biden babbling nonsense at the debates might even help him. He doesn't matter to his voters, but Trump voters might see Biden drooling and mistakenly believe there's nobody dumb enough for vote for Biden when we most certainly have an entire nation full of worthless morons excited to destroy everything past Americans sacrificed to ensure.
Swear to God, I'm starting to think I should move to Singapore or something. At least they're honest about being autocrats.
So, they're basically starting with the exact same assumptions as 2016 (I seem to recall lots of "Trump capped at 110-120 EVs style maps then too), but an even more unlikeable candidate... but they're sure they've got their cheating algorithms right this time so it'll all work out.
You look at the internals on those polls you'll see them weighting the sample at just 23% Republican (when actual registration is in the 38% range) and near 50% Democrat (actual number is also about 38%).
When you're shaving 15% off one side (whom President Trump has 90+% approval) and pumping the other side up by 12% just to get Biden to a slight lead... well the Dem's are F*d and all these polls are really just about trying to lay the groundwork that President Trump stole the election again because RESIST!!! is literally all the lunatic Left has.
Mr. Trump's problem wasn't the number of people who said they voted for him last time: It was that only 86 percent of those who said they voted for him last time said they would do so again. Perhaps there's a way the poll could have the right number of voters who said they voted for Mr. Trump last time, but not this time. It would have to be an awfully specific form of polling error.
Greetings!
Most polls are terribly corrupted, and desperate to suck down the Marxist's narrative.
Greetings!
Most polls are terribly corrupted, and desperate to suck down the Marxist's narrative. Of course Trump is behind in the polls, and has always been, and always will be. Liberals want to demoralize Conservative voters--and others--and depress voting, so Biden can win. Even though we know the Democrats are full of lies, deceit and fraud, and will assuredly attempt to corrupt and rig the election in their favour.
In November, I think that President Trump will honestly win in the election in a crushing, landslide victory.
The Marxists are corrupt and broken, and they are attempting to overthrow our Republic, and institute Marxism.
Semper Fidelis,
SHARK
Hubris precedes the fall.
If you Trumpsters think you can't loose then you'll drink from the same bitter glass that $hillary and her sycophants drank in 2016, get out and convince your friends and family to vote Trump, and to go out and vote come election day.
As for the polls, a study was just made, only the extreme left says they can speak their mind and no one will get offended, the rest of the people don't say this.
Because of cancel culture many people will say to the pollster whatever and do the opposite, but don't think you already won.
Greetings!
Most polls are terribly corrupted, and desperate to suck down the Marxist's narrative. Of course Trump is behind in the polls, and has always been, and always will be. Liberals want to demoralize Conservative voters--and others--and depress voting, so Biden can win. Even though we know the Democrats are full of lies, deceit and fraud, and will assuredly attempt to corrupt and rig the election in their favour.
In November, I think that President Trump will honestly win in the election in a crushing, landslide victory.
The Marxists are corrupt and broken, and they are attempting to overthrow our Republic, and institute Marxism.
Semper Fidelis,
SHARK
Hubris precedes the fall.
If you Trumpsters think you can't loose then you'll drink from the same bitter glass that $hillary and her sycophants drank in 2016, get out and convince your friends and family to vote Trump, and to go out and vote come election day.
As for the polls, a study was just made, only the extreme left says they can speak their mind and no one will get offended, the rest of the people don't say this.
Because of cancel culture many people will say to the pollster whatever and do the opposite, but don't think you already won.
It's just Hillary's "we're going to put the coal industry out of business" 2.0... now with even more economic hardship. Yet, the braindead Marxists lap it up and think it's going to bring out droves of their fellow Leftists and NOT all those people who want to keep their jobs.
The only people who actually think Biden's winning are the brainwashed ones who only get news from the ABC/CBS/NBC/CNN family of known liars.
There are ~55,000 coal workers in the United States. Compare that to teachers (3.7 million), farmers, (2 million), or truck drivers (3.5 million). That's not a lot of jobs to save, and most of them are not at risk solely because of environmental policies. The availability of abundant natural gas from fracking makes a huge difference.
What sources of polling do you think are most accurate?
Even Fox News, a loyal Trump ally that the president watches for hours inside the White House, interpreted his proposal as a sign the president is flailing.
"It is a fragrant and flagrant expression of his current weakness," Fox News politics editor Chris Stirewalt said during a Fox News broadcast Thursday morning. "A person who is in a strong position would never, never suggest anything like that. So Trump may be making a tactical error here by further telegraphing his weak position in the polls and his weak position for re-election."
True, but what makes you think that natural gas won't be the next target for the green machine? Canada in particular has been having the devil's time because protesters keep trying to block NG pipelines.
You have idiots out there demanding we shift 90 percent of our power generation to 'renewable sources'. Oh, and they HATE fracking.
Steve Vancore, a veteran Democratic strategist in Florida, said people tend to misread polls by projecting the results forward to Election Day. and by failing to account for the campaigns' ability to react to the numbers by shifting strategy and winning over new supporters.
And multiple strategists and pollsters said in interviews that, while polls shouldn't be interpreted as predictors of the future, they are currently picking up voters' discontent in Florida and other battleground states with the president's ability to lead a nation in crisis.
"Right now, I don't think there's anything unusual about the polls. The economy is hurting, people are scared and the commander-in-chief isn't giving people what they want, so his numbers are going down," Vancore said. "But the campaigns see this data and start reacting to the data. That's what closes things down. Partisans tend to go back to the ticket."
I think that fossil fuels are the past, not the future. Virtually all of our problems can be solved by access to clean fusion power. We know that fusion is possible because we're surrounded by stars, but doing it without massive gravity is certainly challenging. I like to believe that if we commit to achieving fusion we can. On that subject, Iter: World's Largest Nuclear Fusion Project Begins Assembly (https://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-53573294).
But until we do unlock fusion, we'll need to make do. We can build much better fission plants (molten salt reactors, for example)...
And again, you will have the green machine screaming for your dangerous technology to be shut down.
I see where you're coming from. I agree with it. But I wouldn't trust the opposition to give you a fair shake even if you proved tokamaks were totally safe for the environment.
I think that fossil fuels are the past, not the future. Virtually all of our problems can be solved by access to clean fusion power. We know that fusion is possible because we're surrounded by stars, but doing it without massive gravity is certainly challenging. I like to believe that if we commit to achieving fusion we can. On that subject, Iter: World's Largest Nuclear Fusion Project Begins Assembly (https://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-53573294).
From earlier this month.
Republican internal polling signals a Democratic rout (https://www.cnn.com/2020/07/04/politics/partisan-polls-analysis/index.html)
This one is from April.
Trump presented with grim internal polling showing him losing to Biden (https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/trump-presented-with-grim-internal-polling-showing-him-losing-to-biden/2020/04/29/33544208-8a4e-11ea-9759-6d20ba0f2c0e_story.html)
Of course, even if polls aren't everything, I tend to agree with Fox News regarding Trump floating the suggestion that we delay the Federal election.
Source (https://www.nytimes.com/2020/07/30/us/elections/biden-vs-trump.html)
The once rock-solid grip that the president had on his party seems to be slipping. Talking with pollsters and strategists from both sides this week, it's clear that Trump is suffering not just with Democrats and independents but also with GOP voters. They tell us of polling that shows Trump underwater in districts he carried easily in 2016. One GOP strategist told me that even in heavily Republican districts, Trump's job approval rating among Republicans has dropped 10-20 points. The KFF poll released last week found Trump's overall job approval rating among Republicans dropped 12 points between May and July. On handling coronavirus, the drop in GOP support was an even more dramatic 26 points.
This is purely anecdotal, but I would not put a lot into the polls.
I am an Independent, voting both sides almost perfectly split since the 90's. My wife leans left, and if I had to guess, she is going to do the 'unthinkable' this November.
The why is simple. I use my real name on Twitter. A few weeks ago we were debating how far cancel culture has come. I grabbed my phone, and started a tweet saying that all lives, black and otherwise, matter and that we need to remember that this November with a MAGA hashtag. I handed her the phone and told her to hit the send button. She wouldn't do it.
I work in a highly regulated industry and have to register all social media accounts with my work. She knew it would get flagged, and she feared what would happen. Then I dared her research Governor Wallace, the origin of the KKK, the party that filibustered civil rights and segregated the federal government, the Washington Post stats on the unarmed black men killed by police last year, and the Chicago crime stats (she is from Chicago) so far this year. The final straw was the refusal of the Democrats to even debate Tim Scott's bill in the Senate. She sees Democrats in a different light today than she did two months ago.
I am not about to register Republican, for the same reasons I won't ever use social media for anything other than shit-talking sports, but unless somebody gives me photo evidence of a Republican presidential candidate literally giving Satan a tongue-job, I'm going to be locked in for the foreseeable future.
Like I said, this is completely anecdotal. But I have a feeling there are a lot of us out here.
Cook Political just published an article Trump's Grip on the GOP is Slipping (https://cookpolitical.com/analysis/national/national-politics/trumps-grip-gop-slipping).
We need Pundit to create a thread about how to move to Uruguay.
Agreed. I love Pundy's posts about Uruguay. It would be great to hear more about the country as it exists today from his perspective.
In the meantime, here's an article about 12 Countries where Americans can escape...at a price.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/laurabegleybloom/2020/07/28/escape-america-countries-buy-citizenship-second-passport/#573f0dd27f74 (https://www.forbes.com/sites/laurabegleybloom/2020/07/28/escape-america-countries-buy-citizenship-second-passport/#573f0dd27f74)
Sorry Spinachcat, better cross NZ off the list. No USAians allowed at the minute I am afraid.
Considering their spectacular freak-out after the Christchurch shooting and how they went on a gun-grabbing spree, I didn't plan on emigrating there anyways.
Sorry Spinachcat, better cross NZ off the list. No USAians allowed at the minute I am afraid.
Clinton led in most national polls, but was typically garnering support only in the low- to mid-40s. Biden's share has been hovering around 50 percent. As a result, some of the uncertainty about the trajectory of the Trump-Biden race might be reduced, in part because there are simply fewer voters who haven't made up their minds and because signs point to fewer third-party voters than in 2016. Combined, Clinton and Trump had secured 84 percent of support, on average, in national polls in early August 2016. By comparison, Biden and Trump currently combine for 92 percent.
Polling doesn't matter for shit if someone can get ruined for admitting to being MAGA.
Either way, Republicans are getting clobbered with independents. The assessments end up in the same place. The only differences are in how to read the problem. One GOP campaign consultant suggested that the percentage of voters not just disapproving, but strongly disapproving of Trump's overall performance is the best indicator--that "somewhat disapproving" left slight ground for someone to still come down his way. National polls show roughly 50 percent strongly disapprove of the president's performance, with somewhat disapproving in the mid-single digits. Of course, winning all of the somewhat-disapproving voters would be a bit unrealistic.
I assume everyone is aware that Biden named Kamala Harris as his running mate.
While that's going to dominate the news cycle for the next couple of days, I thought The Cook Political Reports article on Independents (https://cookpolitical.com/analysis/national/national-politics/approve-or-not-trump-setting-unfavorable-downballot-conditions) was worth a read.
The problem is that as much as Trump is disliked, Kamala is just as hated if not more.
Biden more or less lost the support of BLM with that move. Some of my SJW relatives and friends IRL and on social media have been bitching about this and are not going to vote for Biden, not even the ones who were "Vote Blue No Matter Who" just a few days ago.
The problem is that as much as Trump is disliked, Kamala is just as hated if not more.
Biden more or less lost the support of BLM with that move. Some of my SJW relatives and friends IRL and on social media have been bitching about this and are not going to vote for Biden, not even the ones who were "Vote Blue No Matter Who" just a few days ago.
I assume everyone is aware that Biden named Kamala Harris as his running mate.
I'll be honest, I'm scratching my head here. Unless the point is 'check off the duhversity boxes', why put Roundheels Harris on the ticket?
She doesn't deliver a swing state. Her CV is tainted with Willie Brown's spunk. Her charisma is at best mediocre and that plastic surgery job she got looks like a bad photoshop.
And hilariously, Biden is already talking about how Harris will be the one to lead us in 2021. At this rate I wonder if Biden will survive to the election!
The reason they went "Joe & The Ho" was because she was the best compromise they could do.
Everybody knows that the VP is their choice for the top spot, that was part of why they took so long to decide.
Joe painted them into a corner and they had to use a minority woman.
She was the 'best' option in the field.
They can't go with Bass (Increase the hard left vote) because she is too socialist and moderates are already running scared. The riots are costing them too much.
Rice is out because she is uniparty establishment. She would cost them more of the hard left than Harris and her attachment to the previous admin is dangerous for them. (Suppose DJT says 'Well since we can't prosecute, here is a bunch of declassified info on the Russia investigation that no longer has to be kept hidden due to possible criminal proceedings.")
That really just leaves Harris, who will cost some of the hard left and some of the black vote, but probably less overall than the other two.
...plus it will be harder to target her with the whole casting couch thing given Trump's history and the fact that Pence is probably not mean enough to go that route.
They could also be reading their internal polls and cutting their losses early. Partially because a lot of people in the party don't like her, but also because when you are dealing with a long shot, might as well go for a full ticket full of baggage to rub everyone's nose in it if the long shot pays off.
If they truly 'know' they are going too lose this round, that means their actions have crossed a whole other moral event horizon.
Tim Poole has made similar statements, although more along the lines of being sacrificial goats while they prepare for 2024.
I really hope that is not the case. If their polls are actually that bad, then I'm worried about where the situation ends.
If they truly 'know' they are going too lose this round, that means their actions have crossed a whole other moral event horizon.
They are absolutely setting up to burn the country down in a self-immolating "if I can't have it, no one will" end game. It's not the first choice, but for the paymasters egging these nuts on who seek a globalist world order, it's an acceptable alternative.
Yeah, I get the insanity of it. I just don't think they truly grasp what crossing the line between 'self-defense' and 'war' actually means. That's what bothers me...
Oh, the people actually calling the shots (and I don't mean Chuck and Nancy) know EXACTLY what it means and a broken and divided America is exactly in their best interests.
In 2016 the "managed decline" of the United States as a world power under Hillary (and the rise of a Chinese/Globalist money men hegemony with its slave labor and fixed outcomes to replace it) was the plan.
Now they're hoping for an American torn apart by a Civil War being too weakened to oppose their moves to likely seize Taiwan and its assets, bully India and South Korea, re-establish planned the Belt and Road exploitation of the third world and Chinese 5G surveillance state dream, end the sanctions on Iran (so many kickbacks) and finish the job of exporting American jobs and resources to their Chinese slave labor camps.
All in the name of endless greed and thirst for power by people who fashion themselves Masters of the Universe and wish to control everyone's lives from cradle to grave because they believe we're too stupid to make our decisions and that they deserve all the fruits of others' labors because they'll use them more effectively than we could... even if that means we starve because we're not useful for their plans.
There are TRILLIONS of dollars at stake and a free and independent America stands in their way. The truth is they aren't really after President Trump; they're after US and he just happens to be in the way.
The Democrat and 90% of the elected representatives of the Republican party are just their bought-off flunkies directed how to vote by K-Street lobbyists on legislation written by multi-national corporate lawyers.
This didn't happen overnight... it's been the work of decades (100 years with the last serious pushback before the people elected President Trump being three decades prior) and it will take decades to fully reverse. President Trump has bought us some time and, if re-elected, can lay a strong foundation, but the real battle will be in 2024 when the people will have to push back against the Establishment Republican pick and elect another America First populist fighter to continue the restoration.
Also the PRC have bought up a good chunk of the debt the USA has created, basically a way to put a stranglehold on the USA if push came to shove
^^^THIS 100%^^^
I can't stress how accurate the above statement is. I've made the case in several threads in the past that the PRC for the past 25 years have slowly built up their military and economic stature. A few known facts:
- build up of economic base: building cheap products for the West and using slave labor. Also the PRC have bought up a good chunk of the debt the USA has created, basically a way to put a stranglehold on the USA if push came to shove
- natural resources: Spratley Islands are a hotly contested area in SE Asia. there just a bunch of coral rocks jutting out of the water...with a shit load of OIL sitting right under it. they didn't build a military base on a piece of shit atoll there for nothing. The PRC have bought up mineral rights in Africa for strategic metals and minerals (which includes oil). In return, said African nations get cheap goods, which includes some military equipment and rights to use ports.
-Military: Speaking of ports: the PRC Navy isn't just going to have two carriers for shits and giggles, along with a rather impressive submarine fleet (79 active vs. 68 active for the USN). History tells us that any great power has a large navy to project power over the horizon. Plus they've slowly modernized their Army and Air Force. Don't kid yourself, all of this is for keeping their eye of the prize: Taiwan. Hell, the Commandant the the Marine Corps has acknowledged this recently: the USMC is removing all of it's armor units and going back to being a more mobile amphibious force, just in case we have to deal with an aggressive PRC in the Pacific.
-diplomatic relations: since the end of Cold War I (we're now in Cold War II: don't kid yourself), the PRC have done quite a bit to improve relations with Russia. With that being said, since they've had better relations, the pressure between the two has lessened considerably. this allows both nations to redirect their attentions elsewhere, such as Russia showing new interest in reestablishing old military bases in the Arctic and performing old school overflights near Alaska and our fleet. Relations with India have always been stressful, and we're talking centuries old bad blood between the two. Today, it's no different. To counter this, The USA have made much better relations with India, which IMO the should have a long time ago, and rightly so. India is the world's largest democracy population-wise. they also have a very robust military (you'd have one to if the PRC was right on your fucking doorstep), and we've had a few joint fleet exercises with them. Also, Japan have been making several moves to be more proactive in regards to the PRC: they've enacted a few laws that allows the Japanese Self-Defense Forces to react more freely when it comes to military aggression from the PRC and North Korea...
-North Korea: the literal wild card. if the feces hits the rotating blade, it's because the North Koreans have started some shit, and the PRC will use it as an excuse to make moves throughout SE Asia. They hope that the DPRK will bear the brunt of the blow, while the PRC gets the spoils with little effort or recourse. In other words: North Korea is the PRC's meat shield when a war starts.
Maybe they all know the same person. Six degrees of separation and all that...
Shy Trump voters are likely a myth, but polls aren't perfect (https://www.cnn.com/2020/08/09/politics/trump-voters-analysis/index.html).
Anecdotally, I know a number of people who voted for Trump in 2016 that don't plan to do so in 2020. All of the appeal of an 'outsider who can shake things up' doesn't sound as important today. Now, maybe they'll reverse course (but I live in Tennessee, and their vote doesn't REALLY matter except for knowing how much Biden beat Trump in the popular vote) with concerns about Democrats gaining control of the House, Senate and White House. But Biden isn't as scary as Clinton to them.
What' been surprising to me is attacks on Kamala Harris indicating that she is both too liberal and too conservative.
What' been surprising to me is attacks on Kamala Harris indicating that she is both too liberal and too conservative.
Shy Trump voters are likely a myth, but polls aren't perfect (https://www.cnn.com/2020/08/09/politics/trump-voters-analysis/index.html).That article misses the point. The argument I've seen is that people will say one thing to a pollster, and then go and vote a different way. So the idea that Republican voters are hiding out from pollsters is a strawman. And comparing live and phone polling may not be a reliable indicator anymore, because everyone knows everything is recorded and tracked, i.e. people worrying they'll end up on a "list".
Or maybe they are telling you they will not vote for the god emperor so you stop pestering them?
Yeah, it's so likely they all know the same people...
Biden is worst than Clinton, he'll just step aside and let Harris rule, and she's a douche canoe.
There are TRILLIONS of dollars at stake and a free and independent America stands in their way. The truth is they aren't really after President Trump; they're after US and he just happens to be in the way.
There can never be a one world Globalist government as long as there is a strong, unified and free America.
For a Globalist government to succeed, America must be disunited, weak, and broke.
Everywhere I go, from the grocery store, my church, the auto shop, the gun store, the barber shop--I meet more and more people that support the God Emperor!:D
I'll be honest, I'm scratching my head here. Unless the point is 'check off the duhversity boxes', why put Roundheels Harris on the ticket?
She doesn't deliver a swing state. Her CV is tainted with Willie Brown's spunk. Her charisma is at best mediocre and that plastic surgery job she got looks like a bad photoshop.
And hilariously, Biden is already talking about how Harris will be the one to lead us in 2021. At this rate I wonder if Biden will survive to the election!
I think they chose her because they're so confident Biden will win that they don't need a VP who'll deliver any states.
There are a lot of reasons why under normal circumstances, Biden might be confident - things like the incumbent has NEVER won an election when 2nd Quarter GDP dropped like it did this year - but this is not going to be a normal election.
That's the thing. Covid is the reason why the economy tanked, not Trump. I think most people realize that. But then, there's a lot of derranged anti-Trumpers who blame him for everything and anything in an attempt to fight back against the bad orange man.
Some people don't think the economy is the only issue, whether they blame him for it or not. While I don't think Trump is directly responsible for Covid, I do think that he is responsible for the National response.
His claim I don't take responsibility at all (https://www.latimes.com/world-nation/story/2020-05-08/trumps-new-2020-message-its-not-my-fault) is undignified for the leader of the free world, and completely opposite of Truman's The Buck Stops Here (https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/the_buck_stops_here).
My major in college was International Relations, and I've always understood that Americans distrust International organizations (like the UN), but we supported and created them because they allowed us to amplify and wield 'soft power' in the world. The US Iran Embargo (https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/aug/14/us-iran-un-arms-embargo-nuclear-deal) is a clear sign of our diminished position in international politics. The failure of the Commander-in-chief to respond in any way to Russian bounties on American Troops (https://www.militarytimes.com/news/pentagon-congress/2020/07/29/trump-says-he-didnt-raise-issue-of-bounties-on-us-troops-during-phone-call-with-putin/) is a dereliction of duty that I think an argument could be made that it borders on treasonous. Trump's message in 2016 - Make America Great Again - never rang true for me, because this nation has ALWAYS been great. There have always been areas where we could seek to make improvements, and that's still true today. But instead of advancing American interests, we've been stymied by an inability to support our existing treaties.
Everyone should know the Fable of the Bundle of Sticks (https://www.thoughtco.com/aesops-fable-the-bundle-of-sticks-118589) - even if we're the strongest, we're even stronger when we work with our allies.
Some people don't think the economy is the only issue, whether they blame him for it or not. While I don't think Trump is directly responsible for Covid, I do think that he is responsible for the National response.
His claim I don't take responsibility at all (https://www.latimes.com/world-nation/story/2020-05-08/trumps-new-2020-message-its-not-my-fault) is undignified for the leader of the free world, and completely opposite of Truman's The Buck Stops Here (https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/the_buck_stops_here).
My major in college was International Relations, and I've always understood that Americans distrust International organizations (like the UN), but we supported and created them because they allowed us to amplify and wield 'soft power' in the world. The US Iran Embargo (https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/aug/14/us-iran-un-arms-embargo-nuclear-deal) is a clear sign of our diminished position in international politics. The failure of the Commander-in-chief to respond in any way to Russian bounties on American Troops (https://www.militarytimes.com/news/pentagon-congress/2020/07/29/trump-says-he-didnt-raise-issue-of-bounties-on-us-troops-during-phone-call-with-putin/) is a dereliction of duty that I think an argument could be made that it borders on treasonous. Trump's message in 2016 - Make America Great Again - never rang true for me, because this nation has ALWAYS been great. There have always been areas where we could seek to make improvements, and that's still true today. But instead of advancing American interests, we've been stymied by an inability to support our existing treaties.
Everyone should know the Fable of the Bundle of Sticks (https://www.thoughtco.com/aesops-fable-the-bundle-of-sticks-118589) - even if we're the strongest, we're even stronger when we work with our allies.
My major in college was International Relations, and I've always understood that Americans distrust International organizations (like the UN), but we supported and created them because they allowed us to amplify and wield 'soft power' in the world. The US Iran Embargo (https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/aug/14/us-iran-un-arms-embargo-nuclear-deal) is a clear sign of our diminished position in international politics. The failure of the Commander-in-chief to respond in any way to Russian bounties on American Troops (https://www.militarytimes.com/news/pentagon-congress/2020/07/29/trump-says-he-didnt-raise-issue-of-bounties-on-us-troops-during-phone-call-with-putin/) is a dereliction of duty that I think an argument could be made that it borders on treasonous. Trump's message in 2016 - Make America Great Again - never rang true for me, because this nation has ALWAYS been great. There have always been areas where we could seek to make improvements, and that's still true today. But instead of advancing American interests, we've been stymied by an inability to support our existing treaties.
Everyone should know the Fable of the Bundle of Sticks (https://www.thoughtco.com/aesops-fable-the-bundle-of-sticks-118589) - even if we're the strongest, we're even stronger when we work with our allies.
That's the thing. Covid is the reason why the economy tanked, not Trump.
Some people don't think the economy is the only issue, whether they blame him for it or not. While I don't think Trump is directly responsible for Covid, I do think that he is responsible for the National response.
His claim I don't take responsibility at all (https://www.latimes.com/world-nation/story/2020-05-08/trumps-new-2020-message-its-not-my-fault) is undignified for the leader of the free world, and completely opposite of Truman's The Buck Stops Here (https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/the_buck_stops_here).
My major in college was International Relations, and I've always understood that Americans distrust International organizations (like the UN), but we supported and created them because they allowed us to amplify and wield 'soft power' in the world. The US Iran Embargo (https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/aug/14/us-iran-un-arms-embargo-nuclear-deal) is a clear sign of our diminished position in international politics. The failure of the Commander-in-chief to respond in any way to Russian bounties on American Troops (https://www.militarytimes.com/news/pentagon-congress/2020/07/29/trump-says-he-didnt-raise-issue-of-bounties-on-us-troops-during-phone-call-with-putin/) is a dereliction of duty that I think an argument could be made that it borders on treasonous. Trump's message in 2016 - Make America Great Again - never rang true for me, because this nation has ALWAYS been great. There have always been areas where we could seek to make improvements, and that's still true today. But instead of advancing American interests, we've been stymied by an inability to support our existing treaties.
Everyone should know the Fable of the Bundle of Sticks (https://www.thoughtco.com/aesops-fable-the-bundle-of-sticks-118589) - even if we're the strongest, we're even stronger when we work with our allies.
Everyone should know the Fable of the Bundle of Sticks (https://www.thoughtco.com/aesops-fable-the-bundle-of-sticks-118589) - even if we're the strongest, we're even stronger when we work with our allies.
God, the post office conspiracy theories make it seem like the Democrats are so sure Trump is going to win, that they're already setting up their excuses as to how Trump "cheated".
The Dems cheating!? Why I never! :rolleyes:
Poole makes a decent point I haven't seen elsewhere: A major postal union endorsed Biden on the 14th. That's a pretty serious conflict of interest.
Keep in mind the whole 'Trump is sabotaging the USPS' is a load of shit. A pretty good breakdown of the scam is here (https://bayourenaissanceman.blogspot.com/2020/08/the-us-post-office-and-elections-lies.html).That was the main thrust of Pool's video, but it's been covered elsewhere. That's why I pointed out the one thing that seemed new to me.
Keep in mind the whole 'Trump is sabotaging the USPS' is a load of shit. A pretty good breakdown of the scam is here (https://bayourenaissanceman.blogspot.com/2020/08/the-us-post-office-and-elections-lies.html).
And an interesting wrinkle in the whole saga is summarized here (https://bradfordcwalker.blogspot.com/2020/08/narrative-warfare-tech-that-kills.html).
And an interesting wrinkle in the whole saga is summarized here (https://bradfordcwalker.blogspot.com/2020/08/narrative-warfare-tech-that-kills.html).
I'm laughing inside at the idea that the government is technologically adept enough to implement a blockchain voter ID system before November.
The government especially, but I don't think anyone can implement any massive changes to the voting system within the next few months. Not mail in voting (unless the state already has it in place) much less some crypto black box bitchain system that few people really understand and trust with their vote.
All 50 states have a mail-in voting system. State laws differ on whether someone qualifies for mail-in voting, but they at least have the structures in place to do it. Only a few states like Utah had moved to mail-in voting as the default already, but that's just a matter of operation. The system for voting is there, at least.
so please tell us what Orange Man Bad is actually suppressing?
All 50 states have a mail-in voting system. State laws differ on whether someone qualifies for mail-in voting, but they at least have the structures in place to do it. Only a few states like Utah had moved to mail-in voting as the default already, but that's just a matter of operation. The system for voting is there, at least.
We should go full Heinlein - Citizenship and the right vote has to be earned.
You have to give service - military or civilian service for a period of at least two years. Only then do you get citizenship and right to vote.
Everyone else - enjoy what you've earned. You just don't get to make decisions.
Personally I think this is too easy - I'd go full Herbert and institute an added fundamental layer: the Gom Jabbar. You have to prove you're human and not an NPC first. So only humans can become civilians. Then civilians have to choose to earn Citizenship. The rest of the NPC primates will have less rights, which won't matter because they're too stupid to realize it.
I mean look at all the morons that think we have all these "rights" that don't exist now, but believe it with all the powers of the Holy Rheeee! We're practically there now.
What have we got to lose? LOL
All 50 states have a mail-in voting system. State laws differ on whether someone qualifies for mail-in voting, but they at least have the structures in place to do it. Only a few states like Utah had moved to mail-in voting as the default already, but that's just a matter of operation. The system for voting is there, at least.
Personally I think this is too easy - I'd go full Herbert and institute an added fundamental layer: the Gom Jabbar. You have to prove you're human and not an NPC first. So only humans can become civilians. Then civilians have to choose to earn Citizenship. The rest of the NPC primates will have less rights, which won't matter because they're too stupid to realize it.
We should go full Heinlein - Citizenship and the right vote has to be earned.
You have to give service - military or civilian service for a period of at least two years. Only then do you get citizenship and right to vote.
Everyone else - enjoy what you've earned. You just don't get to make decisions.
Personally I think this is too easy - I'd go full Herbert and institute an added fundamental layer: the Gom Jabbar. You have to prove you're human and not an NPC first. So only humans can become civilians. Then civilians have to choose to earn Citizenship. The rest of the NPC primates will have less rights, which won't matter because they're too stupid to realize it.
I mean look at all the morons that think we have all these "rights" that don't exist now, but believe it with all the powers of the Holy Rheeee! We're practically there now.
What have we got to lose? LOL
I'm willing to give up the vote, or accept some real risks for it, in return for denying authority to the TV watchers and antenna-heads. These fuckers couldn't run a lemonade stand and have no loyalty to anything.
As tempting as this sounds and as often as it has crossed my mind, how do we implement this IRL? I'm not sure that sticking someone's hand inside a pain-box while holding a poisoned needle to their neck ready to pinch them if they take their hand out accurately determines who's human (plus it would probably be considered a human rights violation). And I'm not sure high IQ is necessarily an indication that someone won't be an idiot about certain things or have serious lapses in judgement or critical thinking (e.g. Richard Dawkins on Brexit), so I don't think an IQ test would work either.
We need a way test people's critical thinking faculties that can't be abused by ideologues or elite cliques with an agenda.
Absentee voting is not designed to handle the volume of a full election. Anyone that knows anything about the process first hand can tell you that. It will break down on at least two fronts: The process of getting the request of the ballot and mailing it out timely already has immense problems. Solve that, and you'll overwhelm the receipt. That's not even counting the fraud problems.Yes, everything I've seen suggests scaling up from absentee voting (small percentage of the population) to universal mail-in voting is beyond the capability of the states who don't already have the infrastructure in place. The antiquated systems just can't handle it, or scale up that quickly. Contrary to the media narrative, the Post Office is not a bottleneck. Even if everyone in the country votes, it only amounts to a 1-2% increase in mail volume, which the Postmaster (a Trump appointee) and both postal unions (both have endorsed Biden) have said is no problem. Though it's worth noting there are significant delays delivering mail right now, and the deadlines for mailed-on ballots aren't based on postmark, but on the date the mail arrives.
Yes, everything I've seen suggests scaling up from absentee voting (small percentage of the population) to universal mail-in voting is beyond the capability of the states who don't already have the infrastructure in place.
The percentage varies widely from state to state because of differing laws. For many states, the percentage isn't that small. I would agree that some states will have trouble scaling up. But a lot of states already have a large percentage of votes cast either early or vote-by-mail -- not just blue states like California and Oregon, but also red states like Arizona and Utah.
https://www.eac.gov/documents/2017/10/17/eavs-deep-dive-early-absentee-and-mail-voting-data-statutory-overview
I think a shift of around 50% mail-in voting to 80% is not a big deal for a state. Arizona, for example, has reported being confident of scaling up.
https://coppercourier.com/story/arizona-confident-mail-in-voting/
I think a shift of around 50% mail-in voting to 80% is not a big deal for a state. Arizona, for example, has reported being confident of scaling up.
https://coppercourier.com/story/arizona-confident-mail-in-voting/
A majority of people already voting by mail means Arizona has extensive infrastructure in place, and they've revised the system to make it more efficient since the 2018 election, so it sounds like they have an up to date and relatively robust system.Vote by mail has been expanding a lot over the past two decades. Arizona might not be perfectly average among the 50 states, but it's not the cutting edge either. The cutting edge would be the five states like Utah and Oregon which already have entirely vote-by-mail. Here's an overview of the current status of vote-by-mail:
I really doubt that's the norm. I'd like to see a good survey of the mail-in voting capabilities of all 51 states and district. Many voting systems around the country are old, brittle, and probably can't scale up quickly without massive failures. Three months before a Presidential election isn't a good time to experiment with the untested and untried.
And an interesting wrinkle in the whole saga is summarized here (https://bradfordcwalker.blogspot.com/2020/08/narrative-warfare-tech-that-kills.html).
Well now.
If this works... and there is a LOT hanging on that 'if' ... it's going to change things dramatically.
I don't believe in miracles or silver bullets, but let's see if Trump can pull a rabbit out of his hair one more time.
Vote by mail has been expanding a lot over the past two decades. Arizona might not be perfectly average among the 50 states, but it's not the cutting edge either. The cutting edge would be the five states like Utah and Oregon which already have entirely vote-by-mail. Here's an overview of the current status of vote-by-mail:Their interactive map lists PA as "absentee voting allowed for all". But they literally just passed that law, and the Post Office came out and told them their plan wouldn't work:
https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/08/11/us/politics/vote-by-mail-us-states.html
I agree that we shouldn't be rolling out untested and untried systems. I'm only talking about scaling up existing tested systems that already handle millions of voters.Scaling up isn't automatic, either. Systems that are inflexible, out of date, or near capacity may have no real extra capacity. That's something that requires a state-by-state assessment, and not blanket generalizations.
Because this doesn't exactly fill me with boundless confidence.
As of August 4th, New York still hadn't counted all the votes (https://nypost.com/2020/08/04/judge-orders-new-york-state-to-count-invalidated-mail-in-ballots/) from the June primary.
Was that because Sanders actually beat Dementia JoJo in New York?
Or was it because Trump did too well in areas assumed locked down for Biden?
more fraudulent bullshit and conspiracies
We should be able to create secure online voting with biometric/face recognition and advances in encryption in the next decade, but I doubt we'd see such a system before 2030. Of course, that's not accounting for AI hacking tools which will probably arrive first.We also have to worry about quantum computers. They might fuck up encryption, and the theoretical ways to guarantee a message has been unread using quantum dynamics may be further off.
We also have to worry about quantum computers. They might fuck up encryption, and the theoretical ways to guarantee a message has been unread using quantum dynamics may be further off.
Notice how when voting methods come up, suddenly all the people that are very quick to castigate the USA for not following the leads of other countries ... are not interested at all in how it is done elsewhere. That's because pretty much everywhere else uses paper ballots, often because that is the only way to have a secure method and allow for secure auditing.
The ideal is practically the paper ballot fed on premise through an electronic vote counter--and then the paper ballots secured for audit until the election results are fully certified (that is, once all challenges allowed by the process have been exercised or passed).
It can now safely be said, as his first term in the White House draws toward closure, that Donald Trump's party is the very definition of a cult of personality. It stands for no special ideal. It possesses no organizing principle. It represents no detailed vision for governing. Filling the vacuum is a lazy, identity-based populism that draws from that lowest common denominator Sanford alluded to. If it agitates the base, if it lights up a Fox News chyron, if it serves to alienate sturdy real Americans from delicate coastal elites, then it's got a place in the Grand Old Party.
"Owning the libs and pissing off the media," shrugs Brendan Buck, a longtime senior congressional aide and imperturbable party veteran if ever there was one. "That's what we believe in now. There's really not much more to it."
LOL. Richard 'He's TOTALLY a NAZI!' Spencer endorses the Dems. Of course.
Watching the 2016 campaign was fascinating in that the RNC spent inordinate amounts of resources to prop up Jeb! and later Marco Rubio, all for naught. You'd think they'd have gotten their shit together -- unless, of course, the point was to -lose- to Hillary.
One part of the Election that pundits follow pretty closely along with polls is the 'money race'. After outraising Trump in June, Trump pulled in more money than Biden in July - $165 Million to (if memory serves, [edit to reflect correct total]$140 million).Wonder how much of Biden's haul is going to bail out BLM/Antifa terrorists.
Trump has not yet released his August numbers, but Biden has raised $364Million+. This shatters the prior record for fundraising from ANY candidate - Obama's $193 Million haul in September 2008.
Trump has not yet released his August fundraising total.
Wonder how much of Biden's haul is going to bail out BLM/Antifa terrorists.
None. But I suppose you could argue that some outside groups will feel that they don't have to pitch in to amplify Biden's message, so they'll be free to divert funds to other priorities, including paying cash bail for places that still have it. I don't know that there is anything wrong with that. In this country you're innocent until proven guilty, so being held in prison seems like a violation of our freedom.
Here's an Article (https://www.americanprogress.org/issues/criminal-justice/reports/2020/03/16/481543/ending-cash-bail/) about Cash Bail Reform.
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-minneapolis-police-biden-bail/biden-staff-donate-to-group-that-pays-bail-in-riot-torn-minneapolis-idUSKBN2360SZ (https://www.reuters.com/article/us-minneapolis-police-biden-bail/biden-staff-donate-to-group-that-pays-bail-in-riot-torn-minneapolis-idUSKBN2360SZ)The nerve of you pointing this out! I mean, some of those people were merely getting bread for their families.
Hey, look at that. How totally unexpected. Democrats supporting violent thugs.
Wonder how much of Biden's haul is going to bail out BLM/Antifa terrorists.
The nerve of you pointing this out! I mean, some of those people were merely getting bread for their families.And it's not like anyone got hurt, I mean, those businesses have insurance... /sarc.
If you follow the money trail, most of the money raised by BLM goes to support democrat politicians being elected anyways.Yeah, I know about ActBlue. Can't help but wonder if some of it's being funneled back to keep their magic riot machine rolling.
Speaking of Antifa terrorism, Michael Reinoehl, accused of murdering Aaron Danielson, was caught in Washington and decided to shoot it out with U.S. Marshals.It's about to get even better. U.S. Marshals office can deputize state and local law enforcement to act under their authority. Which means that when they make an arrest, it's under federal law. So much for the marxist trick of making sure to commit their crimes with a Soros-paid DA.
(cue up 'I Fought The Law And The Law Won')
So yeah, Reinoehl's now room temperature. Y'know, between the U.S. marshals recovering 50+ lost and trafficked children, and this, I'm starting to like those guys :)
Fox News (https://www.foxnews.com/politics/biden-endorsements-law-enforcement) - More Than 175 current, former law enforcement officials endorse Joe Biden, slam Trump as 'lawless' president
Fox News (https://www.foxnews.com/politics/biden-endorsements-law-enforcement) - More Than 175 current, former law enforcement officials endorse Joe Biden, slam Trump as 'lawless' president
*digs in*
So you've got Noble Wray, who was hired by the Obama DOJ to head up a 'police accountability project'. Yeah, no bias there.
Janet Napolitano is a Democrat political wonk. Pfft.
Tom Manger's been running his mouth for a while, presumably trying to construct a political platform for bigger things. He's whined about Trump detaining illegal immigrants and stripping federal funds from cities blatantly flouting immigration law enforcement.
Yeah, somehow I don't feel any urgency here.
Fox News (https://www.foxnews.com/politics/biden-endorsements-law-enforcement) - More Than 175 current, former law enforcement officials endorse Joe Biden, slam Trump as 'lawless' president
*digs in*
So you've got Noble Wray, who was hired by the Obama DOJ to head up a 'police accountability project'. Yeah, no bias there.
Janet Napolitano is a Democrat political wonk. Pfft.
Tom Manger's been running his mouth for a while, presumably trying to construct a political platform for bigger things. He's whined about Trump detaining illegal immigrants and stripping federal funds from cities blatantly flouting immigration law enforcement.
Yeah, somehow I don't feel any urgency here.
If you follow the money trail, most of the money raised by BLM goes to support democrat politicians being elected anyways.Do you have a citation for that? The argument I've seen is that if you click on donate on BLM's website, it goes to ActBlue, and that means it's being funneled to Democratic politicians. But ActBlue is really just a service they use to process the money, it's not the recipient. Many involved with BLM will support Democratic politicians, and there will be indirect effects, but it doesn't seem like there's a direct flow of money.
Do you have a citation for that? The argument I've seen is that if you click on donate on BLM's website, it goes to ActBlue, and that means it's being funneled to Democratic politicians. But ActBlue is really just a service they use to process the money, it's not the recipient. Many involved with BLM will support Democratic politicians, and there will be indirect effects, but it doesn't seem like there's a direct flow of money.
If you follow the money trail, most of the money raised by BLM goes to support democrat politicians being elected anyways.Do you have a citation for that? The argument I've seen is that if you click on donate on BLM's website, it goes to ActBlue, and that means it's being funneled to Democratic politicians. But ActBlue is really just a service they use to process the money, it's not the recipient. Many involved with BLM will support Democratic politicians, and there will be indirect effects, but it doesn't seem like there's a direct flow of money.
That's my point. That's not what any of that says. ActBlue is basically an online payment processor, which allows people to donate to different organizations (mostly blue politicians, but also BLM). It's not taking money from BLM, and handing it out to Biden and Bernie. It's the service that Biden, Bernie, and BLM use to take payments from people who are donating to those specific organizations. Think of it like American Express or PayPal.If you follow the money trail, most of the money raised by BLM goes to support democrat politicians being elected anyways.Do you have a citation for that? The argument I've seen is that if you click on donate on BLM's website, it goes to ActBlue, and that means it's being funneled to Democratic politicians. But ActBlue is really just a service they use to process the money, it's not the recipient. Many involved with BLM will support Democratic politicians, and there will be indirect effects, but it doesn't seem like there's a direct flow of money.
https://www.opensecrets.org/pacs/expenditures.php?cycle=2020&cmte=c00401224
https://www.opensecrets.org/outsidespending/expenditures.php?cmte=C00401224&cycle=2020
https://secure.actblue.com/
There you go.
Dammit Pat. You're shooting holes in the SDNY's case against Bannon/Kolfage with those kinds of questions... ;DI thought Bannon was some kind of campaign architect, but after googling a bit it sounds like he was arrested for something related to fund raising. But my knowledge on the subject is too little to know what you mean.
Dammit Pat. You're shooting holes in the SDNY's case against Bannon/Kolfage with those kinds of questions... ;DI thought Bannon was some kind of campaign architect, but after googling a bit it sounds like he was arrested for something related to fund raising. But my knowledge on the subject is too little to know what you mean.
Fox News (https://www.foxnews.com/politics/biden-endorsements-law-enforcement) - More Than 175 current, former law enforcement officials endorse Joe Biden, slam Trump as 'lawless' president
That's my point. That's not what any of that says. ActBlue is basically an online payment processor, which allows people to donate to different organizations (mostly blue politicians, but also BLM). It's not taking money from BLM, and handing it out to Biden and Bernie. It's the service that Biden, Bernie, and BLM use to take payments from people who are donating to those specific organizations. Think of it like American Express or PayPal.
Then why does it have a large number of democrat candidates as recipients of ActBlue money and no other political party candidates of note?Because they're explicitly a leftist organization. BLM presumably uses them because they're an effective fund raising tool, as well as being fellow travelers.
Why does BLM use ActBlue to process the donation and not PayPal or American Express?
ActBlue (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ActBlue#:~:text=ActBlue%20is%20a%20nonprofit%20technology,empower%20small%2Ddollar%20donors%22.) is listed as a left-leaning PAC to help Democrat candidates, so why is BLM using them as a processor and not a neutral one?
"ActBlue works with candidates at the local, state, and national levels -- from school board races to presidential campaigns -- to squeeze every dollar out of their email fundraising pleas or the ubiquitous 'Donate' button on their websites," Kroll wrote. "Engineers streamline the process of giving to a campaign or cause. They toy with typefaces, reduce load times, and adapt the product to all devices and operating systems. Like an Olympic sprinter in training, ActBlue obsesses over shaving off every millisecond."
[ActBlue] charges nothing for its services. (It takes 4 percent of every donation to cover credit card processing fees.) Operating costs are paid with tips left by donors and the occasional fundraising campaign.
The average contribution size [in 2017, including all 3 branches] was a very-"grassrootsy" $31.95. More than half of all donors gave for the first time in 2017, and just over 40 percent of all contributions were made from a mobile device.
Then why does it have a large number of democrat candidates as recipients of ActBlue money and no other political party candidates of note?Because they're explicitly a leftist organization. BLM presumably uses them because they're an effective fund raising tool, as well as being fellow travelers.
Why does BLM use ActBlue to process the donation and not PayPal or American Express?
ActBlue (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ActBlue#:~:text=ActBlue%20is%20a%20nonprofit%20technology,empower%20small%2Ddollar%20donors%22.) is listed as a left-leaning PAC to help Democrat candidates, so why is BLM using them as a processor and not a neutral one?
Found a better reference than Wikipedia:
https://www.influencewatch.org/political-party/actblue-pac/ (https://www.influencewatch.org/political-party/actblue-pac/)
https://www.influencewatch.org/non-profit/actblue-civics/ (https://www.influencewatch.org/non-profit/actblue-civics/)
https://www.influencewatch.org/non-profit/actblue-charities/ (https://www.influencewatch.org/non-profit/actblue-charities/)
https://www.influencewatch.org/for-profit/actblue-llc/ (https://www.influencewatch.org/for-profit/actblue-llc/)
ActBlue started out as a website in 2004, created specifically to help Democratic candidates collect funds from a lot of smaller donors. They provide a number services, like allowing donors to save their credit card and use it to donate to multiple candidates, automating the filling out of fund raising forms, a variety of tools for optimizing fund raising campaigns, as well as relatively low transaction fees. The Republicans don't have an equivalent organization, which hobbles their ability to raise money from lots of small donors.
ActBlue is broken into a three separate branches, each supporting a different type of legal entity. One of the three is a PAC, the other two are 501(c)3 and 501(c)4 charitable/social welfare organizations, and each supports their own kind. All three provide the same basic fund raising platform services, and the funds they collect (minus transaction fees) are passed through to the entities chosen by the donors, rather than being distributed at ActBlue's discretion. All the groups they support are progressive, and the ones I recognize include the charities GLAAD, Mother Jones, and the Southern Poverty Law Center; the social welfare groups ACLU, NOW, and Planned Parenthood; and a bunch of PACs (which I don't know by name).
There's also a for-profit branch (an LLC), but it's unclear what its role is. Though it may be the original -- the three branches above were founded between 2009 and 2015, but the website dates to 2004.
This link has some more detail about the services ActBlue provides and where the money goes:
https://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2018/01/23/actblue_fundraising_platform_strikes_gold_--_for_liberals_136068.html (https://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2018/01/23/actblue_fundraising_platform_strikes_gold_--_for_liberals_136068.html)Quote from: Real Clear Politics"ActBlue works with candidates at the local, state, and national levels -- from school board races to presidential campaigns -- to squeeze every dollar out of their email fundraising pleas or the ubiquitous 'Donate' button on their websites," Kroll wrote. "Engineers streamline the process of giving to a campaign or cause. They toy with typefaces, reduce load times, and adapt the product to all devices and operating systems. Like an Olympic sprinter in training, ActBlue obsesses over shaving off every millisecond."Quote from: Real Clear Politics[ActBlue] charges nothing for its services. (It takes 4 percent of every donation to cover credit card processing fees.) Operating costs are paid with tips left by donors and the occasional fundraising campaign.Quote from: Real Clear PoliticsThe average contribution size [in 2017, including all 3 branches] was a very-"grassrootsy" $31.95. More than half of all donors gave for the first time in 2017, and just over 40 percent of all contributions were made from a mobile device.
So, BLM which uses ActBlue, which is a self-proclaimed leftist payment processor, does not funnel money in support of liberal democrats running for office. So where does the money that BLM raises go? I'm asking because from what I can see, including what you have shown me, it still looks like a lot of it is going to support liberal democrat candidates.I don't know where the money BLM raises is going. Looking around, it's an open question, because they're not very transparent. They've denied giving money directly to the DNC, and claim it's going to "civic engagement, expansion of chapters, Arts & Culture, organizing and digital advocacy resources and tools" (from an AskReddit thread), but that's pretty vague. For all we know, some of it may go to activism and candidates. At the very least, advocacy and engagement is likely to favor Democrats and Democratic causes, for a spillover effect. But that would be BLM acting directly, and unrelated to ActBlue.
Do some more digging, it looks like the umbrella Black Lives Matter organization, called the Black Lives Matter Global Network (the "Global" is a recent addition), is a corporation, not a charity.
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I'm pretty concerned where and how my money is being spent when I donate it. It isn't just Black Lives Matter, it is Black Lives Matter Foundation Incorporated. They are a business, but they are not a non-profit 501(3)c. They are also only six years old. So how is money that is donated to them spent? What percentage is used for overhead? How much gets to the people they are trying to help?
You and estar can use your IP and spend your money however you like. My take on this is that if you really want to help out blacks in America, then your donations of money might be better spent on the NAACP or the UNCF although neither is topical in the media right now.[/quote]
Zuckerberg apparently thinks the media "should work to convince the American public there is nothing illegitimate, strange, or suspect about the results [of the] upcoming presidential election".Nice one. Glad I wasn't drinking, or you'd owe me a new keyboard. :)
https://nationalfile.com/zuckerberg-election-may-take-weeks-and-cause-civil-unrest-until-media-creates-consensus-on-next-president/ (https://nationalfile.com/zuckerberg-election-may-take-weeks-and-cause-civil-unrest-until-media-creates-consensus-on-next-president/)
It's not the job of the media to decide what happens before it happens and to suppress any opposing views. That's the job of the Ministry of Truth.
Nice one. Glad I wasn't drinking, or you'd owe me a new keyboard. :)I used to think Aldous Huxley had predicted the future better, but it's becoming easier and easier to quote Orwell.
At this rate, it's the two of them keeping score while sitting on a park bench in the afterlife while sharing a bottle of good booze.Nice one. Glad I wasn't drinking, or you'd owe me a new keyboard. :)I used to think Aldous Huxley had predicted the future better, but it's becoming easier and easier to quote Orwell.
I'm not sure Orwell would be a valued member of this community.Based on my experience, no one is welcome here. So he'd be just as unwelcome as the other animals.
“Every line of serious work that I have written since 1936 has been written, directly or indirectly, against totalitarianism and for democratic socialism, as I understand it.”
I'm not sure Orwell would be a valued member of this community.
QFT“Every line of serious work that I have written since 1936 has been written, directly or indirectly, against totalitarianism and for democratic socialism, as I understand it.”
I'm not sure Orwell would be a valued member of this community.
Hell, man. Someone who could actually make good arguments for democratic socialism without flipping their shit if someone disagrees would be fine. And anyone against totalitarianism is OK with me.
On July 1st, Trump and the RNC released their June fundraising totals ($131 Million). His June fundraising was eclipsed by Biden. On August 5th, Trump and the RNC released their fundraising totals ($165 million) after Biden had announced his. The June fundraising was a surprise; incumbents usually have the fundraising advantage. Biden's fund raising in August was $365 million and here it is, September 9th, and Trump and the RNC have yet to announce their fundraising totals. If it had been anywhere north of $190 million, they certainly would have been able to spin this as ALSO breaking the previous fundraising record held by Barrack Obama.Jesus, you need to try a little harder...
Excluding mega-donors, more than $200 million to the Biden campaign came from small dollar donations (ie, just focusing on 'real Americans' would have been enough by itself to have broken the previous record). While the August figures for the RNC have not yet been released, the Trump campaign is in a cash crunch (https://www.nytimes.com/2020/09/07/us/politics/trump-election-campaign-fundraising.html). The Trump campaign defends the $800 Million they've already spent as building infrastructure to compete with ActBlue. In the last two weeks of August, the Biden campaign spent $35 million on advertising compared to Trump's $5 million.
An article detailing the current ad spends (https://www.cnn.com/2020/09/06/politics/battlegrounds-campaign-ad-spending/index.html) shows Biden with $182 million being spent in the Battleground States to $158 million; of the 10 battleground states identified, Trump won all but one; as a result he is 'playing defense'.
Trump began fundraising for re-election immediately after assuming office; he has raised $1.2 billion through July. With July's fundraising total, Biden has now raised over $1 billion as well.
Edit - Trump just announced his August fundraising. $210 Million (https://www.politico.com/news/2020/09/09/biden-outraised-trump-150-million-410832)
“Every line of serious work that I have written since 1936 has been written, directly or indirectly, against totalitarianism and for democratic socialism, as I understand it.”Is this one of those, "Nazis weren't socialists!," comments?
I'm not sure Orwell would be a valued member of this community.
Is this one of those, "Nazis weren't socialists!," comments?Absolutely not, Orwell criticized every major strain of socialism and every major socialist figure of his time. He was a universal gadfly or critic of excesses or affronts to common decency.
I suspect Orwell was learning the sad lesson -- that socialism and communism (BIRM) simply set up a new form of feudal style governance, because of human nature.
Thomas Sowell's Vision of the Anointed is very useful if you want to pursue this line of thought.
Oggsmash, you're talking crazy!And conversely, funds from the Biden/Harris campaign were being funneled into bail funds to bail out arrested BLM/Antifa rioters.
It's not like Burn Loot Murder was funneling money directly to ActBlue on their website so every BLM supporting imbecile's donations to "fight waaaaycism" actually went to Dementia Joe Joe!
It's not like Burn Loot Murder was funneling money directly to ActBlue on their website so every BLM supporting imbecile's donations to "fight waaaaycism" actually went to Dementia Joe Joe!You're correct, they're not doing that.
You're correct, they're not doing that.
We covered this, two or three pages back. Your interpretation is completely wrong.You're correct, they're not doing that.
Because this link doesn't exist on the BLM homepage?It's the big blue square that says Donate!https://secure.actblue.com/donate/ms_blm_homepage_2019 (https://secure.actblue.com/donate/ms_blm_homepage_2019)
Imagine that! Avowed marxists and domestic terrorists tied at the hip with the DNC's fundraising engine.
and they have to be legally distinct and meet strict requirements because campaign financing laws and the IRS are more than a little control freaky about things like that.Control freaky like when the IRS targeted conservative non-profits and fundraising groups under Obama, but magically all the campaign finance issues surrounding AOC and Ilhan Omar vanish like pixie dust?
You're just moving the goalposts and attempting to tar by association. We're not talking about AOC or Ilhan Omar, maybe a million dollars, abuse of loopholes or vagueness in campaign finance rules exploited by specific campaigns in ways that were clearly unethical but possibly legal, specific details about what happened in both cases, articles in the media that covered all that, and an investigation by authorities. We're talking about ActBlue, hundreds of millions of dollars, an absurd claim with no credible mechanism and no specific details, no articles in the media just vague conspiracy theories based on complete misunderstanding of the basic role of ActBlue, and no formal investigations.and they have to be legally distinct and meet strict requirements because campaign financing laws and the IRS are more than a little control freaky about things like that.Control freaky like when the IRS targeted conservative non-profits and fundraising groups under Obama, but magically all the campaign finance issues surrounding AOC and Ilhan Omar vanish like pixie dust?
Definitely "control freaky"...but only in one direction.
I see Pat is doing the same thing he did in the other thread...claiming there is no obvious link between things because, well, reasons?When they're not getting it from China.
BLM funnels money directly to the Democrat party. This is indisputable.
When they're not getting it from China."our commitment to use our political strength to stop corporate influences from creeping into progressive policies"
The Black Futures Lab, an outgrowth of BLM, is receiving a nice paycheck from the Chinese Progressive Association.
Tar by association? Pat, did you hit your head?Did you hit your head? Because we're not talking about that. Spinachcat claimed that the money given to BLM when someone clicks on the big DONATE button on their website really goes to Joe Biden's campaign. I pointed out there's zero evidence for it. There's not even a plausible mechanism by which it can happen.
We don't have to tar by association. The Democrats have been happily supporting the rioting lowlifes for some time now. Hell, they're throttling BACK the riots because it's wreaking havoc on the Dems' poll numbers.
I see Pat is doing the same thing he did in the other thread...claiming there is no obvious link between things because, well, reasons?I'm sure some of their money ends up supporting them, via individual contributions or PACs. But that's not what we're talking about. Please don't carry over reflexive tribalism.
BLM funnels money directly to the Democrat party. This is indisputable.
Tar by association? Pat, did you hit your head?Did you hit your head? Because we're not talking about that. Spinachcat claimed that the money given to BLM when someone clicks on the big DONATE button on their website really goes to Joe Biden's campaign. I pointed out there's zero evidence for it. There's not even a plausible mechanism by which it can happen.
We don't have to tar by association. The Democrats have been happily supporting the rioting lowlifes for some time now. Hell, they're throttling BACK the riots because it's wreaking havoc on the Dems' poll numbers.
Spinachcat replied by bringing up campaign finance irregularities with AOC and Ilhan Omar's campaigns, which has nothing to do with ActBlue or BLM. Completely different organizations, probably completely different people, and none of the methods they used would transfer over because their organizational structures and legal requirements are completely different. So it was just a smokescreen, which provides no evidence that BLM is passing money to Biden via ActBlue, or even a method by which it might have been done. So yes, it's an attempt to tar by association. It's equivalent to saying water is blue, so that means anything blue is wet.I see Pat is doing the same thing he did in the other thread...claiming there is no obvious link between things because, well, reasons?I'm sure some of their money ends up supporting them, via individual contributions or PACs. But that's not what we're talking about. Please don't carry over reflexive tribalism.
BLM funnels money directly to the Democrat party. This is indisputable.
So once again if a poster disagrees with another it’s “ Triablism” .Nope. When people don't address any of the arguments I've made, and instead make false claims about what I believe, or make short responses that seem to have nothing to do with what I said, in today's climate the reasonable assumption is it's an example of tribalism. Tribalism is about taking sides, and characteristics include looking for superficial signs that someone is an enemy, then ascribing them a mass of characteristics and beliefs that have been assigned to that enemy, and then responding to those characteristics in a rote way, instead of addressing what was actually said. Your post, Brad's, and Jeff's all seem to be display those characteristics. There's nothing in those posts to address except the assumptions you're making, because there's no content. Ghostmaker by contrast appears to be reading things I never said into what I actually said, but seems to be trying to carry on a real discussion.
Nope. When people don't address any of the arguments I've made, and instead make false claims about what I believe, or make short responses that seem to have nothing to do with what I said, in today's climate the reasonable assumption is it's an example of tribalism. Tribalism is about taking sides, and characteristics include looking for superficial signs that someone is an enemy, then ascribing them a mass of characteristics and beliefs that have been assigned to that enemy, and then responding to those characteristics in a rote way, instead of addressing what was actually said. Your post, Brad's, and Jeff's all seem to be display those characteristics. There's nothing in those posts to address except the assumptions you're making, because there's no content. Ghostmaker by contrast appears to be reading things I never said into what I actually said, but seems to be trying to carry on a real discussion.Nahh
Note I'd prefer to address an actual argument, counterpoint, or something else that we can at least talk about.
So once again if a poster disagrees with another it’s “ Triablism” .Nope. When people don't address any of the arguments I've made, and instead make false claims about what I believe, or make short responses that seem to have nothing to do with what I said, in today's climate the reasonable assumption is it's an example of tribalism. Tribalism is about taking sides, and characteristics include looking for superficial signs that someone is an enemy, then ascribing them a mass of characteristics and beliefs that have been assigned to that enemy, and then responding to those characteristics in a rote way, instead of addressing what was actually said. Your post, Brad's, and Jeff's all seem to be display those characteristics. There's nothing in those posts to address except the assumptions you're making, because there's no content. Ghostmaker by contrast appears to be reading things I never said into what I actually said, but seems to be trying to carry on a real discussion.
Note I'd prefer to address an actual argument, counterpoint, or something else that we can at least talk about.
So, Ruth Bader-Ginsberg has died.
And you thought this election was going to be insane before.
I would like to give you the benefit of the doubt Pat except when an discussion does not go your way you toss out everyone is being Tribalistic".I've mentioned tribalism in exactly two discussions, and this time it only came up because Brad butted into the discussion with a dismissive and contentless reference to the earlier thread, so I asked him not to. So this pattern of behavior you're claiming I have is based on one instance, and second explicit request that we not do this again.
To myself at least you don't really like push-back during a discussion. You want to hear what you want to hear and nothing else. With everyone at fault or in error.
It comes off wanting an echo chamber and not wanting to engage.
So, you are admitting to engaging in tribalism?I don't have a tribe.
So, you are admitting to engaging in tribalism?I don't have a tribe.
I've mentioned tribalism in exactly two discussions, and this time it only came up because Brad butted into the discussion with a dismissive and contentless reference to the earlier thread, so I asked him not to. So this pattern of behavior you're claiming I have is based on one instance, and second explicit request that we not do this again.You are just completely unable to admit when you're wrong, even when presented with overwhelming evidence to the contrary. Clutch those pearls!
So all of these contrarian posts are your attempt at announcing that you'd like to be adopted by a tribe?Nope. It seems to be desperately important to you, though.
You are just completely unable to admit when you're wrong, even when presented with overwhelming evidence to the contrary. Clutch those pearls!Zero is overwhelming? Because you certainly haven't provided a single shred of evidence,.
So all of these contrarian posts are your attempt at announcing that you'd like to be adopted by a tribe?Nope. It seems to be desperately important to you, though.
There are none so blind as those who refuse to see.In my experience, that doesn't apply to Pat.
Saw that. Would like to see him sitting in an interrogation room downtown, explaining why he wasn't making terroristic threats. But then, I've gotten tired of these low life blue checkmarks talking big when it's not their asses on the line.
My favorite reaction so far.
https://twitter.com/rezaaslan/status/1307107507131875330 (https://twitter.com/rezaaslan/status/1307107507131875330)
I'm like, bitch, have you looked out a window lately?
BLM funnels money directly to the Democrat party. This is indisputable.I disagree. I'm pretty sure the people running BLM are embezzling pretty much all of it.
I disagree. I'm pretty sure the people running BLM are embezzling pretty much all of it.That's a more reasonable claim, though you can have obscene salaries, fat expense accounts, and fund all your pet projects without violating any laws. The real question is what kind of financial stewardship Thousand Currents, or Tides as of a month or two ago, are providing. Those are the two charities that have lent BLM their 501(c)3 status, which means the money from ActBlue went to them, to manage for the BLM Foundation. That's enough layers of indirection to hide some sins, but both Tides and Thousands Currents have been around for 30 or more years, so at the very least they know how to handle the accounting and maintain a semblance of propriety.
The Black Lives Matter Foundation, a Santa Clarita, California–based charitable organization that has one paid employee and lists a UPS store as its address, has a very different goal, according to its founder: “bringing the community and police closer together.”Checked the BLM website, and the ActBlue link -- it says the money goes to the "Black Lives Matter Support Fund" at Tides. So the BLM Foundation" is an entirely different pro-cops group, and the money going to the real BLM is sent to a "Fund". Which sounds like Tides (and probably Thousands Currents before) are more directly handling the money (one of the two options for sponsorship legally turns the sponsored group into a branch of the sponsor), though that's a weak supposition. To further confuse things, the BLM Global Network Foundation is the full name of the popular BLM organization.
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“I don't have anything to do with the Black Lives Matter Global Network. I never met them; never spoke to them. I don't know them; I have no relationship with them,” Robert Ray Barnes, the founder of the Black Lives Matter Foundation, told BuzzFeed News in a lengthy interview. “Our whole thing is having unity with the police department.”
I disagree. I'm pretty sure the people running BLM are embezzling pretty much all of it.That's a more reasonable claim, though you can have obscene salaries, fat expense accounts, and fund all your pet projects without violating any laws. The real question is what kind of financial stewardship Thousand Currents, or Tides as of a month or two ago, are providing. Those are the two charities that have lent BLM their 501(c)3 status, which means the money from ActBlue went to them, to manage for the BLM Foundation. That's enough layers of indirection to hide some sins, but both Tides and Thousands Currents have been around for 30 or more years, so at the very least they know how to handle the accounting and maintain a semblance of propriety.
I'm not familiar with either, so I looked them both up in Charity Navigator. Thousand Currents seems quite reputable. They're global, and get a high rating for financial accountability and transparency. Tides on the other hand gets a failing score. Which could suggest something about why BLM switched, though Thousand Currents claims that the reason BLM left is because TC decided to sunset their financial sponsorship program. Note while they're both a respectable size for a charity, they're fairly small, compared to the money BLM is bringing in -- TC has an annual revenue of about $6 million, and Tides is somewhat smaller at about $4 million.
Though how much BLM has raised is an open question. One hint is that in June, their Foundation announced a $6.5 million plan to support "grassroots" organizing (for definitions of "grassroots" that allow for funding from above, I assume). They also have plans in media and education, and have been sponsoring artists since 2015.
Okay, this is weird. Looked up BLM in Charity Navigator, and found the BLM Foundation, which has a "moderate" advisory that mentions a cease & desist order from the attorneys general of NY and California, and a Buzzfeed article that says the BLM Foundation has zero ties to the BLM organization that gets all the press:QuoteThe Black Lives Matter Foundation, a Santa Clarita, California–based charitable organization that has one paid employee and lists a UPS store as its address, has a very different goal, according to its founder: “bringing the community and police closer together.”Checked the BLM website, and the ActBlue link -- it says the money goes to the "Black Lives Matter Support Fund" at Tides. So the BLM Foundation" is an entirely different pro-cops group, and the money going to the real BLM is sent to a "Fund". Which sounds like Tides (and probably Thousands Currents before) are more directly handling the money (one of the two options for sponsorship legally turns the sponsored group into a branch of the sponsor), though that's a weak supposition. To further confuse things, the BLM Global Network Foundation is the full name of the popular BLM organization.
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“I don't have anything to do with the Black Lives Matter Global Network. I never met them; never spoke to them. I don't know them; I have no relationship with them,” Robert Ray Barnes, the founder of the Black Lives Matter Foundation, told BuzzFeed News in a lengthy interview. “Our whole thing is having unity with the police department.”
https://www.tides.org/ (https://www.tides.org/)
https://www.tides.org/our-community/partnerships/tides-welcomes-black-lives-matter/ (https://www.tides.org/our-community/partnerships/tides-welcomes-black-lives-matter/)
https://thousandcurrents.org/ (https://thousandcurrents.org/)
https://thousandcurrents.org/black-lives-matter/ (https://thousandcurrents.org/black-lives-matter/)
https://www.charitynavigator.org/ein/571138099 (https://www.charitynavigator.org/ein/571138099)
https://www.charitynavigator.org/index.cfm?bay=search.summary&orgid=6372 (https://www.charitynavigator.org/index.cfm?bay=search.summary&orgid=6372)
https://blacklivesmatter.com/black-lives-matter-global-network-foundation-announces-6-5-million-fund-to-support-organizing-work/ (https://blacklivesmatter.com/black-lives-matter-global-network-foundation-announces-6-5-million-fund-to-support-organizing-work/)
https://www.charitynavigator.org/ein/474143254 (https://www.charitynavigator.org/ein/474143254)
https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/6945175-CaliforniaAGCeaseandDesist-BLMFoundation.html (https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/6945175-CaliforniaAGCeaseandDesist-BLMFoundation.html)
https://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/local/ny-attorney-general-orders-black-lives-matter-foundation-to-stop-soliciting-donations/2502852/ (https://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/local/ny-attorney-general-orders-black-lives-matter-foundation-to-stop-soliciting-donations/2502852/)
https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/ryanmac/black-lives-matter-foundation-unrelated-blm-donations (https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/ryanmac/black-lives-matter-foundation-unrelated-blm-donations)
Not by any stretch of the imagination would I call BLM or any other group that demands to defund police to be "pro-cop".That was the distinction I was making -- the BLM Foundation is pro-cop, in contrast to its more famous namesake.
Not by any stretch of the imagination would I call BLM or any other group that demands to defund police to be "pro-cop".That was the distinction I was making -- the BLM Foundation is pro-cop, in contrast to its more famous namesake.
All right. Fuck this. You can have all the personal definitions of things you want, but that doesn't change the reality of the situation. It is just doublespeak.No, this is on you. What do you do, scan my posts for things you can maliciously misinterpret, and ignore all the rest of the context? Who would say that BLM (the famous one) is pro-cops? That makes no fucking sense. I was making a distinction between the BLM Global Network Foundation (the group all the rioters love), and the BLM Foundation (which apparently tries to work cooperatively with cops -- read the links). If you have trouble parsing basic sentences, then throw commas before and after "pro-cops group". That should make the meaning clear, even to you.
All right. Fuck this. You can have all the personal definitions of things you want, but that doesn't change the reality of the situation. It is just doublespeak.No, this is on you. What do you do, scan my posts for things you can maliciously misinterpret, and ignore all the rest of the context? Who would say that BLM (the famous one) is pro-cops? That makes no fucking sense. I was making a distinction between the BLM Global Network Foundation (the group all the rioters love), and the BLM Foundation (which apparently tries to work cooperatively with cops -- read the links). If you have trouble parsing basic sentences, then throw commas before and after "pro-cops group". That should make the meaning clear, even to you.
No, fuck-o. This is on you to explain yourself in a clear and concise manner if you want your message to be communicated effectively. Right now you are just throwing out a bunch of bullshit to obfuscate the fact that a cornerstone of BLM is to defund police departments which is anything but "pro-cop".I literally said the opposite. If you twist and squint, you can make it say what you're claiming it says, but that defies the nature of the (real) BLM as understood both by their enemies and allies, my position on BLM (they're a Marxist hate group), and the sentence structure itself, which places the BLM and the faux-BLM groups in opposition. Requiring someone to write sentences with such clarity that they can't be misinterpreted by someone willing to ignore every last bit of context is completely unreasonable even in formal writing, much less in posts on an anti-swine messageboard. It's also literally impossible in many cases, at least without ballooning writing with a crazy number of caveats, given that the English language is a human language, not a form of mathematics or a programming language, and thus lacks their precision. That's why context, and not interpreting things as maliciously as possible, is essential to communication.
Yeah, when myself or anyone else refers to "BLM"--everyone knows what organization is being discussed. The fact that somewhere there exists an organization called "BLM The Sweet Garden Charity" is irrelevant.Evidence suggests otherwise. The cease and desist orders are because they were confusing people. The Buzzfeed article talks about a GoFundMe, and MSN expands on that by saying $4.35 million has been donated in error to the smaller group:
The level of mental gymnastics on display because someone just won't admit they're full of shit is astounding.That's not a nice thing to say about Jeff.
The level of mental gymnastics on display because someone just won't admit they're full of shit is astounding.
The level of mental gymnastics on display because someone just won't admit they're full of shit is astounding.That's not a nice thing to say about Jeff.
I find it interesting that liberals supporting BLM say that they don't really mean to defund the police and that they are pro-cop, but when the leadership of BLM is interviewed they want to completely abolish the police (with defunding being a euphemism for that).So I'm a liberal? And I support BLM?
So yeah, when you use buzzfeed and MSN as sources, I don't consider them to be good examples of accurate reporting.
I find it interesting that liberals supporting BLM say that they don't really mean to defund the police and that they are pro-cop, but when the leadership of BLM is interviewed they want to completely abolish the police (with defunding being a euphemism for that).So I'm a liberal? And I support BLM?
So yeah, when you use buzzfeed and MSN as sources, I don't consider them to be good examples of accurate reporting.
That's fucking insane. But it's nice to hear one of you actually finally come out and say it. I suspected it, but I was never quite sure, because your posts have been so void of content.
That's why this has been so fucking surreal. I'm being attacked by people who won't debate any points I make, and everything they say appears to come from bizarroworld because their responses seem to be based on assumptions about me that are completely assbackwards.
It proves my tribalism hypothesis, tho. You labeled me an enemy based on -- well, hell if I know what. Something trivial and irrelevant, certainly. And then you assigned me politics based on whatever dogwhistle you imagine you heard. You got them pretty much 100% wrong, BTW.
And to address your attempt at a point, I've never heard a single person say that BLM is pro-cop, even liberals. Liberals, or at least their progressive wing, are the ones screaming defund the police, and even the more moderate types are in full-on pander mode and don't dare contradict the narrative. So that entire argument is nonsense.
Also, I used Buzzfeed because they were cited by Charity Navigator. I know nothing about them beyond that, and don't care. And I've cited probably 20 or 30 sources, and MSN is one of the most trivial, supporting a minor aside, and something that's unlikely to be misreported because it's really just a statement by BLM of how they're spending money (which is hard to find, because they're as transparent as a brick). It's basically a press release, not an analysis or investigative reporting. So you're clearly still combing through my posts looking for things you can cherry pick out of context and object to, because damn, I'm the Enemy. I have to believe all the insane shit you assigned me, don't I?
Fuck you and your tribalism. I'm the enemy of people like you, whatever their political beliefs.
And this is not even to say that Pat is necessarily correct (though, I am inclined to believe that they’re at least closer to reality), but that NOBODY (and anyone here is free to bring me a quote proving otherwise) is even attempting to actually refute anything that Pat said with actual data. It’s basically just people whining that Pat is raining on their parade by pointing out contradicting data with actual links to back up what he/she says. And you don’t even realize it! The whole thing is just wild. ;DI'm not sure they're correct, I'm just reporting what I can find. But there's a lot of bad information out there, key among them idea that ActBlue is funneling money from BLM to Joe Biden. The so-called "smoking gun" of the DONATE button is based on a bad misunderstanding; it's just not a feasible mechanism.
The only thing that's calling you a liberal is the voices in your head.The why did you quote my post? And why are you doing this? It makes zero sense to me.
The only thing that's calling you a liberal is the voices in your head.The why did you quote my post? And why are you doing this? It makes zero sense to me.
So you're clearly still combing through my posts looking for things you can cherry pick out of context and object to, because damn, I'm the Enemy. I have to believe all the insane shit you assigned me, don't I?That's not too far from how I feel about the usual assholes here. Welcome to the other side of theRPGsite's fourth wall.
Fuck you and your tribalism. I'm the enemy of people like you, whatever their political beliefs.
And this is not even to say that Pat is necessarily correct (though, I am inclined to believe that they’re at least closer to reality), but that NOBODY (and anyone here is free to bring me a quote proving otherwise) is even attempting to actually refute anything that Pat said with actual data. It’s basically just people whining that Pat is raining on their parade by pointing out contradicting data with actual links to back up what he/she says. And you don’t even realize it! The whole thing is just wild. ;DI'm not sure they're correct, I'm just reporting what I can find. But there's a lot of bad information out there, key among them idea that ActBlue is funneling money from BLM to Joe Biden. The so-called "smoking gun" of the DONATE button is based on a bad misunderstanding; it's just not a feasible mechanism.
That isn't a defense of BLM. I've pointed, endlessly, how they're a black hole for money. Nor does it absolve ActBlue; but as far as I can tell, their biggest sin is being too effective. They're figured out the secret sauce for getting lots of small donations from progressives, primarily to support Democratic political candidates, but also other kinds of progressive causes. This is especially important because of campaign finance limits, and it's something the Republicans lack, despite their attempt at mimicry with WinRed.
I'm surprised by your post, BTW. I had a negative impression of you after our last major interaction.
Yeah, I don’t think either of those organizations is good, but that doesn’t mean that therefore ActBlue is a giant funnel machine working under the mandate of the Democratic party. IIRC ActBlue started out as a way to help prop up progressive candidates and help them win out against Neo-Liberals, which make the core of the Democratic party—at least that was my impression of them years ago when I was on the progressive side. They aren’t there so much to help the Democratic party, but to help progressives get in, because there’s always been a schism between progressives and the Neo-Liberal establishment. Plus they pretty much report every cent they get—even small potato donations—to the Federal Election Commission. The idea that they’re working hand in hand with the Democratic party to funnel money and stuff just seems wrongheaded to me.While there are legal technicalities depending on how different funds are organized, I don't see how it is a moral scandal or scam if funds from BLM-related organizations help Democrats.
I try to avoid any speculation about other poster's motivation. To my mind, the focus should be on evidence and position. I think Pat at least provided a lot of evidence (that I haven't gotten through yet), but most responses have been about a few offhand comments of his.I'm surprised by your post, BTW. I had a negative impression of you after our last major interaction.Yeah, I had been watching this back and forth for a few days now and it just didn’t seem right to me. The lack of self awareness just made my truth-sense go haywire. Too many people making personal attacks over someone bringing up counterpoints—without bothering to refute anything—then taking issue with being called “tribalistic”. Like there’s another likely explanation why someone would take issue with somebody else digging holes into their political posturing. Even made start thinking maybe HappyDaze had a point about this place turning into an echo chamber.
I tried to stay out of it at first, but it just made me feel like a hypocrite.
While there are legal technicalities depending on how different funds are organized, I don't see how it is a moral scandal or scam if funds from BLM-related organizations help Democrats.
I find it interesting that liberals supporting BLM say that they don't really mean to defund the police and that they are pro-cop, but when the leadership of BLM is interviewed they want to completely abolish the police (with defunding being a euphemism for that).Naw you definitely did misunderstand Pat. I'm thinking of starting a Black Lives Matter organization so I can get in on the cash grab.
The point was about funding, not about the movement itself.While there are legal technicalities depending on how different funds are organized, I don't see how it is a moral scandal or scam if funds from BLM-related organizations help Democrats.Being associated with a movement that has caused the destruction of black owned businesses, the deaths of black people, and massive riots and looting might be a sticking point.
Why am I doing this? Because all of your posting on this subject has done more to confuse things than provide clarity. Hey, there was a group calling themselves BLM that had goals different from the BLM that we commonly know of and have been talking about. They got hit with a cease & desist by BLM. So what? Does that change what the goals are of big BLM? Does it make big BLM more transparent? No?No. That makes it seems like you're driven by an agenda, and the only measure of things is whether they support or oppose that agenda, facts be damned.
Does that make sense to you now?
That's not too far from how I feel about the usual assholes here. Welcome to the other side of theRPGsite's fourth wall.To be fair, you mostly post the same way these days.
It's not a complete echo chamber, there are a few members of the valiant opposition, and a few people who don't neatly fit into boxes. But there has been a problem with dogpiling for a long while. I don't think it's deliberate, it's just a natural consequence when there's only one person speaking from one position, and a half a dozen speaking against it. That imbalance means the number of replies can get overwhelming, and on top of that there seems to be a wolfpack effect where the posters who gang up get more vicious because of the perceived moral support. That's why I generally don't respond to those solitary posters, or drop out of the discussion when a wolfpack starts to form. There's also been a growing tendency, in just the last month or two, toward rah-rah cheerleader posts, rather than substantive content. That probably just feeds the wolfpack tendencies. Since these all make it more likely that the people who aren't part of the dominant bloc will burn out and quit, it does have the tendency to make the place more of an echo chamber.
Yeah, I had been watching this back and forth for a few days now and it just didn’t seem right to me. The lack of self awareness just made my truth-sense go haywire. Too many people making personal attacks over someone bringing up counterpoints—without bothering to refute anything—then taking issue with being called “tribalistic”. Like there’s another likely explanation why someone would take issue with somebody else digging holes into their political posturing. Even made start thinking maybe HappyDaze had a point about this place turning into an echo chamber.
Is this what it's come to when having a conversation one either agrees 1000% with the person or everyone else is the "enemy". If some here wanted an echo chamber why go to forums where one knows that the majority of the posters will either disagree and give push-back.If you're talking to me, you should quote me or refer to me by name. This passive aggressive dancing around doesn't help.
There is a broad spectrum of supporters for BLM, from evangelical churches to companies like IBM as well as many grassroots supporters. The supporters do not believe that BLM causes violence. Rather, they feel that the violence is a result of the racial tension caused by deaths in police custody - just like most anti-abortion advocates do not endorse or support the violence and terrorism associated with it.That's the public narrative, and there is definitely is a vocal minority and possibility a plurality who truly believe in the cause. But I'm not sure most of the ostensible supporters are true believers. A lot of businesses in areas that might suffer from riots put up signs in support of BLM, because they hope it will reduce the chances their shop will be looted or burned. And several larger companies have been targets of public shame campaigns for not being proactively anti-racist enough, which is sufficient to explain why a lot of other companies are making public statements of support. I don't doubt there are some true believers, but a lot of this is the virtue signaling/PR/marketing equivalent of Mafia protection rackets.
Why am I doing this? Because all of your posting on this subject has done more to confuse things than provide clarity. Hey, there was a group calling themselves BLM that had goals different from the BLM that we commonly know of and have been talking about. They got hit with a cease & desist by BLM. So what? Does that change what the goals are of big BLM? Does it make big BLM more transparent? No?No. That makes it seems like you're driven by an agenda, and the only measure of things is whether they support or oppose that agenda, facts be damned.
Does that make sense to you now?
You're not going to get me to feel bad about calling out the assholes that support escalating violence against others for their beliefs.That's not too far from how I feel about the usual assholes here. Welcome to the other side of theRPGsite's fourth wall.To be fair, you mostly post the same way these days.
I oppose them for quite a few more reasons than that, but I prefer to base it on facts, not falsehoods.Why am I doing this? Because all of your posting on this subject has done more to confuse things than provide clarity. Hey, there was a group calling themselves BLM that had goals different from the BLM that we commonly know of and have been talking about. They got hit with a cease & desist by BLM. So what? Does that change what the goals are of big BLM? Does it make big BLM more transparent? No?No. That makes it seems like you're driven by an agenda, and the only measure of things is whether they support or oppose that agenda, facts be damned.
Does that make sense to you now?
Hmmmm.....Well, being against community action groups started by Marxists who support violent protesting in order to build a new nation in the ashes of the old and being aided by politicians who should know better - yeah, I am against that. I guess that not spreading around burning, looting, and murder for Marxism is my agenda.
You've done it, Pat. You've found me out. Good job.
Which part of that post is a falsehood? Burning, looting, murder, or Marxism?Sigh.
Which part of that post is a falsehood? Burning, looting, murder, or Marxism?Sigh.
The whole discussion for the past umpteenth pages has been about ActBlue, and their relationship with BLM. Jeff and others were saying ActBlue was funneling money donated to BLM to Biden, based on the DONATE button on BLM's homepage. That's false, it's not how ActBlue operates, it's a fundraising platform and payment processor. They passthrough the money donated to the specific charities or other organizations, it's not a general fund they shift around.
This last post is just Jeff trying to reframe the discussion to make it about him fighting a valiant fight against BLM, and implying that anyone who disagrees with him is supporting them. Which is absolute nonsense, all he's been doing is making disparaging remarks, while I've been trying to figure out the truth.
I'm thinking of starting a Black Lives Matter organization so I can get in on the cash grab.My idea was to have an All Blacks Lives Matter dedicated to help overthrow the evil Wallabies and Springboks who always try and oppress them and take their trophies away.
You're not going to get me to feel bad about calling out the assholes that support escalating violence against others for their beliefs.That's not too far from how I feel about the usual assholes here. Welcome to the other side of theRPGsite's fourth wall.To be fair, you mostly post the same way these days.
I think it would be nice if everyone who posted in the last three pages conceded that the point Pat has been making (to reiterate, payments to BLM are not directly paid to the Biden campaign, even if both process through ActBlue) would concede that Pat is correct and if it APPEARED they were disagreeing on that point, they were at the very least being misunderstood or, and this might be a bridge too far, but admit they were wrong.
My idea was to have an All Blacks Lives Matter dedicated to help overthrow the evil Wallabies and Springboks who always try and oppress them and take their trophies away.Finally, a charity worth supporting.
I want people to dispute what I'm saying, because that's one of the best ways to refine and develop my own beliefs.And this is why Pat isn't a leftist, or a liberal, or whatever the communists are calling themselves now.
I think it would be nice if everyone who posted in the last three pages conceded that the point Pat has been makingI think it would be nice if everyone who supports BLM gets deported.
The information that Pat has provided about BLM and ActBlue just makes me feel more concerned about Burn Loot Murder because it demonstrates that a political action group only 7 years old already know how to game the system so that rubes who dig into it just help to obfuscate the money trail.You're lying by implication. Again. Nothing I posted is supposed to make you feel less concerned. The exact opposite, in fact. I've been pointing out their complete lack of transparency, and how we know basically nothing about their structure, where the money is going, or even how much they've raised. BLM is basically a giant black hole when it comes to money and accountability.
Obviously, they are being advised by experts.
Pat, I don't think you're right about ActBlue simply because the media has been happy to report how much donation is going to Burn Loot Murder and its easy to see how much traffic is being aimed at their website, but the MSM never mentions the ActBlue connection, and then suddenly and magically BLAMMO, the Biden campaign reports MEGA-MILLIONS for a candidate who was far behind in fundraising for a year.I agree Biden's latest monthly fund raising total is really hard to explain. I can come up with rationales, like maybe the extreme leftists have finally given up on their quixotic desire for a more progressive candidate and rallied behind the only practical choice, or maybe it's a spillover from the MSM's unremitting push in favor of the riots, or maybe it's a bounce because Biden's finally showing his head after all those months where he was basically quarantined at home. But I don't find any of them satisfactory.
You're lying by implication. Again.
OK, why don't you go ahead and unpack that. Assume I'm slow on the uptake and wasn't pointing out that BLM was a shady organization back when DriveThruRPG first said that they were going to support them a few months ago.I explained it in the rest of the post. You keep trying to frame things as if you oppose BLM, and everyone who you disagree with supports them. Except nobody's defended BLM[1], especially not me.
OK, why don't you go ahead and unpack that. Assume I'm slow on the uptake and wasn't pointing out that BLM was a shady organization back when DriveThruRPG first said that they were going to support them a few months ago.I explained it in the rest of the post. You keep trying to frame things as if you oppose BLM, and everyone who you disagree with supports them. Except nobody's defended BLM[1], especially not me.
[1] Except jhkim, but that's a recent post. He hasn't really been part of this discussion.
Several sites (including Cook Political (https://cookpolitical.com/swingometer?)) have released demographic tools to see how partisanship/participation rates will impact the election.Yeah. That bastion of the alt-right neo-nazi movement, Tim Pool, pointed that one out yesterday...
They also include an introduction to the tool in an article titled DEMOGRAPHIC CHANGES SINCE 2016 ALONE COULD BE ENOUGH TO DEFEAT TRUMP (https://cookpolitical.com/index.php/analysis/national/national-politics/demographic-change-2016-alone-could-be-enough-defeat-trump)
The party that wants more mail in voting and no voting IDs might know a thing or two about election fraud. See Al Franken in Minnesota, JFK in Illinois for examples.
But for some reason, on this site, I only ever hear of how Democrats are anti-Democratic.
No one should fraud but I believe its widespread and getting worse.
Or maybe you get your truth from the gut (http://www.cc.com/video-clips/wfrwar/the-colbert-report-truth-from-the-gut)?
Why do you think it is widespread and getting worse?If there is massive mail in voting, the fraud can be worse. the Postal Workers Union endorsed Biden but we should expect them to deliver votes perfectly without bias?
If someone is legally allowed to vote, they attest that they are voting, and their vote is recorded (without ID), how likely do you think fraud is, really?I gave examples which you ignored.
Absolutely not. If they can't be bothered to vote, how can they be even remotely similar to an educated voter?
Do you agree/accept that one way to prevent that type of fraud would be to ensure that EVERYONE votes?
New York Times, so unbiased. The FBI is deep state. Entrenched bureaucracies are more loyal to preserving the bureaucracy than party affiliation or the truth. Hence the nonsense the country endured for 2 years with the Russia dossier.
I think it's strange that you would suspect there is massive voter fraud when the people who examine this (https://www.nytimes.com/2020/09/24/us/politics/fbi-director-voter-fraud.html).
Or maybe you get your truth from the gut (http://www.cc.com/video-clips/wfrwar/the-colbert-report-truth-from-the-gut)?Not even worth responding to. Richard J. Daley famously said he got Kennedy the 1960 election with "found" ballots. There is no reason not to use ID in the voting process. Of course, these days they give IDs out to illegal immigrants so even that wouldn't matter unless we ensured only citizens voted.
No one should fraud but I believe its widespread and getting worse.
Why do you think it is widespread and getting worse? If someone is legally allowed to vote, they attest that they are voting, and their vote is recorded (without ID), how likely do you think fraud is, really?
Do you agree/accept that one way to prevent that type of fraud would be to ensure that EVERYONE votes?
I think it's strange that you would suspect there is massive voter fraud when the people who examine this (https://www.nytimes.com/2020/09/24/us/politics/fbi-director-voter-fraud.html).
Or maybe you get your truth from the gut (http://www.cc.com/video-clips/wfrwar/the-colbert-report-truth-from-the-gut)?
In a country of 328 million, 1285 cases is an extremely small fraction - and that is spread over 4 years and thus hundreds of elections (including state and national elections). That does not contradict the FBI finding. I support finding and prosecuting cases of fraud. But there's a huge difference between 1285 and the supposedly millions of illegal votes that many are claiming.I think it's strange that you would suspect there is massive voter fraud when the people who examine this (https://www.nytimes.com/2020/09/24/us/politics/fbi-director-voter-fraud.html).How about registered voter ID, which would reduce voter fraud markedly? And actually no, ensuring everyone votes won't prevent voter fraud, as the most common form of voter fraud is voting multiple times in different states or districts...
https://www.heritage.org/election-integrity/commentary/database-swells-1285-proven-cases-voter-fraud-america (https://www.heritage.org/election-integrity/commentary/database-swells-1285-proven-cases-voter-fraud-america)
In a country of 328 million, 1285 cases is an extremely small fraction - and that is spread over 4 years and thus hundreds of elections (including state and national elections). That does not contradict the FBI finding. I support finding and prosecuting cases of fraud. But there's a huge difference between 1285 and the supposedly millions of illegal votes that many are claiming.That's the one's we've caught, not the total number.
If the amount of actual fraud is anywhere close to this, then it's far more common for a valid voter to not have a valid ID - which could be more than a million people. (ref) (https://journalistsresource.org/studies/politics/elections/voter-photo-id-law-research/) The effect of the law here is to put an additional bureaucratic hurdle and cost for such people to vote. Unequal bureaucratic hurdles decreases voter turnout.
I would say that it is more a problem with the existing American ID systems than anything. The government should really issue all citizens an ID, rather than making ID a privilege that you have to jump through bureaucratic hurdles and pay money to obtain. However, given our existing wacky ID system, then most of the voter ID laws cause more change by making it more difficult for a few valid citizens than reducing fraud. (Especially since not all forms of fraud are prevented by voter ID.)One, the federal government lacks a mandate for such. Most states have easy to get photo IDs anyways even if you're poor (and frankly, if you're not willing to haul your fat ass down to the building to GET the ID? I'm not certain you should be voting).
Nothing to see here, folks!That bitch needs to be put on the next flight back to her hometown. Posthaste.
https://www.projectveritas.com/news/ilhan-omar-connected-cash-for-ballots-voter-fraud-scheme-corrupts-elections/ (https://www.projectveritas.com/news/ilhan-omar-connected-cash-for-ballots-voter-fraud-scheme-corrupts-elections/)
Did they ever untangle who she was actually married to and when?No, as an Islamic female Democrat of color, she has immunity to the law.
Isn't the penalty for treason (if her actions are construed as such) still death?
I am old enough to remember that Clinton was the betting favourite candidate during the 2016 election.
A poll conducted for CNN, released on Tuesday, showed Biden leading Trump by a 57 percent to 41 percent margin. An NBC-Wall Street Journal survey released over the weekend showed Biden ahead by 14 points. Even Rasmussen, the Republican-leaning pollster that Trump so often touts, found Biden ahead by 8 in their most recent survey.
Virtually every battleground poll is breaking against Trump as well. Recent surveys put Biden well ahead in Arizona, Pennsylvania, Wisconsin, Michigan and New Hampshire. Trump leads by small margins in usually solidly Republican states like Texas, Missouri and South Carolina. Internal Republican polls show Trump only narrowly leading in states like Montana and Kansas.
“These last three weeks have just felt terrible,” said Jai Chabria, a Republican strategist in Ohio. “It feels like the Democrats have momentum going into this last month, certainly, but I don’t think anyone knows what that means.”
But the polls among undecided voters who watched the debates showed the opposite, most starkly the Telemundo poll that was 2:1 in favor of Trump.
I was mistaken, it wasn't undecided voters. It was Spanish-speaking Americans in general.But the polls among undecided voters who watched the debates showed the opposite, most starkly the Telemundo poll that was 2:1 in favor of Trump.I'd like to see your source for that. Undecided voters are a relatively small pool of voters in 2020.
And nobody's arguing that Trump came across great in the debate, just in comparison to the Democratic doormat.It seems like it was mostly a toss-up. On Fox News, what I mostly see it calling it a hot mess and a tie where neither looked great. They don't cite polls claiming a Trump victory. At most, they quote Trump's campaign staff calling it a Trump victory.
Overall, 48 percent said Biden won the debate, while 41 percent said Trump won, and 10 percent said it was a tie. As CBS elections and survey director Anthony Salvanto pointed out on air, this was pretty close to the support for each candidate going in.Which is almost the definition of a wash. Results are more tilted when it comes to impressions:
Kabir Khanna of the CBS News Election and Survey Unit also points out that 42 percent of debate watchers said they thought worse of Trump afterward, and 24 percent said they thought better of him. In contrast, 32 percent said they thought worse of Biden, while 38 percent thought better of him.
CNN and SSRS also conducted an instant poll of debate watchers, and they found a more lopsided margin in Biden’s favor. Sixty percent of their respondents thought Biden won, while 28 percent thought Trump won.I looked at that poll, their audience skews Democratic so there's an inherent bias.
Wow. Watching Pat and deadDMwalking spread FUD for Biden and the Democrat Party is like watching the theater audience clap for Tinkerbell to not die.As usual, you're a fucking idiot who can't even read. I was questioning the narrative that Biden won the debate.
Not sure how fond anyone here is of Tim Pool - I personally think he's about even on his hit/miss record - but I found this video today and I had so much catharsis.I enjoy watching Tim. He's okay, but a bit on the delusional side if he thinks anyone doesn't get he's a classical conservative and not a former-'berniebro'. lol I first saw him on Joe Rogan some years back. Let's see now, my playlist is something like: Tim Pool, X22Report, and MrObvious. Of course, there's always Mr. Jones who seems to get his show on YTube through other people 'stealthing' it in. Pure comedy! xD Also, I watch any videos about the streamers. ANY. I consider it all to be FUD to some extent. Like any broadcast news stuff. Just be careful and take loads of grains of salt. Of course, the 302s are being released... good reads those - if you like black bars protecting the villains.
"Mail in Voting BACKFIRES, Democrats Jump Ship In Panic As Mail Votes Get REJECTED In Large Numbers" (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5QEjlqPZwoA)
Also lol FuckYouTube put in a "Here's some context that'll frame the narrative the way we want it c:" marker above the title.
Wow. Watching Pat and deadDMwalking spread FUD for Biden and the Democrat Party is like watching the theater audience clap for Tinkerbell to not die.As usual, you're a fucking idiot who can't even read. I was questioning the narrative that Biden won the debate.
Clap louder for Tinkerbell,. Pat!!You're a fucking idiot.
Once you turn over the voter fraud rock, it seems the critters just up the ante...Don't worry, someone will be along shortly to state that Mr. Bongino has it all wrong and that he's not trustworthy. /sarc
https://bongino.com/texas-candidate-for-mayor-arrested-on-109-counts-of-voting-fraud/?fbclid=IwAR3OFNzZEozNW-2ifOHtFi-DUxPgVrXEZeLLYz4iFYpBKwX6TxXm3N2D4Eg
Once you turn over the voter fraud rock, it seems the critters just up the ante...Don't worry, someone will be along shortly to state that Mr. Bongino has it all wrong and that he's not trustworthy. /sarc
https://bongino.com/texas-candidate-for-mayor-arrested-on-109-counts-of-voting-fraud/?fbclid=IwAR3OFNzZEozNW-2ifOHtFi-DUxPgVrXEZeLLYz4iFYpBKwX6TxXm3N2D4Eg
https://www.ac2news.com/2020/10/nearly-50000-voters-received-wrong-ballots-in-ohio/?fbclid=IwAR2I4LtvliRJNOgacRS6lkJXd7a7nyBG75FPTTzsqhXAsPw5z1vqOtu_fUk
I've to admit it's a mistery to me how in the USA the simple concept of "you need to be able to prove your identity to a police officer" is seen as somehow an attack of personal freedom.
It may sound like a joke or hyperbole, but this just happened, due to one statement by Judge Amy Coney Barrett (a phrase also previously used by Biden BTW)
(https://media.kotakuinaction2.win/post/dffIWqbD.jpeg)
I guess there are some people that think that sex is not real and at the same time sexual preference is.
I wish people would just stuck to the Science.
I guess there are some people that think that sex is not real and at the same time sexual preference is.
I wish people would just stuck to the Science.
But that requires work like reading and understanding -- it is so much easier to just be sciency for political reasons.
I live in a 3rd world country, where voting is obligatory, and voter ID is required. It's seriously absurd to think that the United States couldn't have Voter ID work.I agree. It's perfectly possible for the U.S. to have a good voter ID system. As I understand it, voter ID works in Uruguay because they offer *free* birth certificate and voter ID to every citizen, and require all citizens to register and to vote. Largely because of this, they have a voter participation rate of 90%, compared to 55% in the U.S. They even have a system going that gets people valid ID from birth.
Voter ID is waaaaaaaaaycist!!!
It's quite obvious that any black Americans in Harlem who believe they actually have ID or know how to get an ID are suffering from delusions caused by the constant oppression from white supremacy.
There is literally no other explanation for this video.
It may sound like a joke or hyperbole, but this just happened, due to one statement by Judge Amy Coney Barrett (a phrase also previously used by Biden BTW)
(https://media.kotakuinaction2.win/post/dffIWqbD.jpeg)
Greetings!
All the crying about "Voter Suppression!" and hand-wringing about poor people being unable to get an ID...
Whaa! Whaa! It's fucking pathetic. I have had an ID all of my life. School ID, of course, and then at 16 the Driver's License. Later, I got the Military ID and a State ID card.
I always carry *two* forms of valid ID with me, at all times, everywhere. I have the State ID and a Driver's License.
Driver's Licenses and State ID's are not expensive or too burdensome. It takes an hour of time, and $50 bucks to get both forms of ID or less. All of the whining is just laziness and looking for excuses and something else to blame white people for...something. More stupid nonsense "Oppression!" These people can REEE the fuck off.
Get a valid form of ID, walk their stupid asses down to a local church, senior citizen center, school, or some government office, as appropriate, and fucking VOTE. It isn't rocket science, a fucking 10 year old child can comprehend how to get this shit done.
The fact that we have adults hopping around in newspaper articles and TV interviews crying about voter suppression and people being unable to get a goddamned ID is malignant and fucking stupid. These morons are frauds and fucking demagogues.
Goddamn these people need to grow the fuck up!
Semper Fidelis,
SHARK
At this point, it almost seems like someone is purposely trying to cause enough Chaos to invalidate the election, no matter who wins.I'm good with all of these. But I think #4 is crucial -- the first step should be to investigate. We need to find those responsible for voter fraud, and understand the extent of the problem. We shouldn't blindly create new laws and systems without thorough investigation. If there is widespread fraud, then we should catch and prosecute those responsible.
1. Give people a week to vote, with one guaranteed paid day off to any worker during that time.
2. Voter ID system, with the gov’t paying for it.
3. In-person voting with paper ballots only, or solicited mail ballots through an application process, provided voter rolls are proven accurate.
4. Official party and neutral 3rd party auditors.
5. LEO security of ballots.
The only people without ID’s are homeless or people so old they are outside the system and never got SS.There are many people who have a Social Security Number, but do not have a valid _photo_ ID. (Social Security cards are not photo ID.) Estimates vary, but even critics accept that there are at least 1% of registered voters who don't have a valid photo ID. The simplest cases are young people (especially 18-24) who do not yet have a driver's license. There are also many people (especially among the elderly) who previously had a driver's license, but it has expired.
Voter ID is not an attempt to suppress the Black Vote, there’s other methods for that.
Voter ID is an attempt to suppress the Illegal Immigrant Vote, which should not exist to begin with.
What great lengths will your US media outlets go to pretend the revelations about Hunter Biden aren't happening today?
What great lengths will your US media outlets go to pretend the revelations about Hunter Biden aren't happening today?
The Facebook, Twitter, and YouTube are committing hari kiri to keep anything related to this off of their platforms.
What is it about this particular issue that they are willing to make this the hill they die on?
Huh. So Trump shared a Babylon Bee article describing what was happening.What great lengths will your US media outlets go to pretend the revelations about Hunter Biden aren't happening today?The Facebook, Twitter, and YouTube are committing hari kiri to keep anything related to this off of their platforms.
What is it about this particular issue that they are willing to make this the hill they die on?
In a last-ditch effort to stop negative stories about Joe Biden and his family from spreading, Twitter shut down its entire social network Thursday.
After seeing account after account tweet out one particularly bad story, CEO Jack Dorsey realized he had to take action. Dorsey smashed a glass box in his office reading "Break In Case Of Bad Publicity For Democrats." Inside the case was a sledgehammer for smashing Twitter's servers.
"Red alert -- shut the servers down! Shut them all down!"
Dorsey ran downstairs and started smashing as many computers as he could, but he did need to ask for some help, as the hammer was pretty heavy.
I don't expect much, but it's kind of amazing that Trump himself would share this blatant parody.
I don't expect much, but it's kind of amazing that Trump himself would share this blatant parody.
He's been known to share things he finds humorous before. The only problem is that the left then loses their minds (well, more so than normal). He shared that gif of himself on WWE slamming some dude (with a CNN logo superimposed over his face) and the left went all out to dox the guy who made the gif. Classy.
I don't expect much, but it's kind of amazing that Trump himself would share this blatant parody.
I think the proper term is 'satire' not 'parody'...
...and I am guessing maybe he found it funny and wanted to share the humor with his followers?
The Facebook, Twitter, and YouTube are committing hari kiri to keep anything related to this off of their platforms.
What is it about this particular issue that they are willing to make this the hill they die on?
I don't expect much, but it's kind of amazing that Trump himself would share this blatant parody.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8bXgULtz6cI
https://www.zerohedge.com/political/hunter-biden-business-associate-flips-prison-releases-emails-detailing-china-influence
Yep, 100% parody.
I don't get it. The point is that The Babylon Bee article that Trump linked is a parody. It is blatantly so. Are you trying to claim that The Babylon Bee article is *not* parody? The Babylon Bee openly declares itself to be a satire site, and the article Trump linked described the Twitter CEO smashing servers with a sledgehammer.
I'm not making any claim about Hunter Biden, just that The Babylon Bee article is satire. (And apologies if I'm misusing satire vs parody - the point is that it's humorous false content.)
I'm not making any claim about Hunter Biden, just that The Babylon Bee article is satire. (And apologies if I'm misusing satire vs parody - the point is that it's humorous false content.)
From my perspective, being an Internet troll isn't particularly better than being ignorant and stupid.I'm not making any claim about Hunter Biden, just that The Babylon Bee article is satire. (And apologies if I'm misusing satire vs parody - the point is that it's humorous false content.)There really isn't anything to get.
The people without TDS see Trump trolling the left, again.
The people with TDS think Trump really believes it, and tweeted it because Trump is ignorant and stupid.
As much as you want him to be ignorant and stupid, Trump is neither. He's an arrogant asshole and he lives in the heads of Elitist idiots.
It's big reason why mainstream Americans are supporting him. You know, all the people that are tired of the condescension, the name-calling, and the social engineering designed to eradicate the traditions and values they hold.
But his Twitter stream frequently makes me feel embarrassed as an American.
Personally, I've voted against him, but I don't think he's literally Hitler. In some ways, he's been better than George W. Bush -- notably in not getting us into new foreign wars. But his Twitter stream frequently makes me feel embarrassed as an American. I don't care if he's trolling or not - it's bad either way.
Wait your voting against Trump who made peace deal and never went to war because of his tweets? THE FUCK IS WRONG WITH YOU JHKIM? Are you fucking that shallow?Please calm the fuck down, Snowman0147.
Jhkim: "Yeah I like the fact Trump never went to war and TRIED to pull troops out of the middle east, but he is so rude... Those tweets are horrible. I might as well send more young people off to die because at least I get to look good."
That is what you sound like right now jhkim.
I'm embarassed by the Democrats, Biden and Harris.
No it doesn't. That sounds like your mostly Republican in these days and that is how much the Democrats went nuts.I disagree, and I'm fine to debate it if you accept that it's not about the tweets (though they certainly don't help).
Who are you kidding? Leftists aren't Americans.So in 2020, the ones not wearing masks are un-American Leftists? Well, that explains some things...
2020 was the year your masks fell off.
I'm embarassed by the Democrats, Biden and Harris. Biden is a senile codger who is so out of touch, he thought "If you don't vote for me, you're not black!" would be an appropriate thing to say, joke or not.
And Harris is a slimeball. She accused Biden of racism and sexism and then put her knives away when offered to be his Veep.
This is the best the Democrat party could muster to run aqainst Trump. It's pathetic.
Generally speaking, I'm a strong social liberal, a pro-individual-rights federalist, a pro-nuclear environmentalist, an economic moderate, and a mostly non-military-interventionist in foreign affairs. That generally puts me in the Democrat camp, even though there are issues I disagree with them on.
I have to admit, I did a double-take as well. Particularly in regards to individual rights and nuclear power.Generally speaking, I'm a strong social liberal, a pro-individual-rights federalist, a pro-nuclear environmentalist, an economic moderate, and a mostly non-military-interventionist in foreign affairs. That generally puts me in the Democrat camp, even though there are issues I disagree with them on.
This is like the exact opposite of the current Democrat party...are you fucking dense?
Also, it drove tremendous traffic to the Babylon Bee which somehow manages to be Christian AND funny. It's got that same edge as Mad magazine and the Onion, and isn't afraid to make jokes about both Trump and Christians.
This is like the exact opposite of the current Democrat party...are you fucking dense?
...our technology-neutral approach is inclusive of all zero-carbon technologies, including hydroelectric power, geothermal, existing and advanced nuclear, and carbon capture and storage.
...it’s past time, however, to rebalance our tools,engagement, and relationships in the Middle East away from military intervention—leading with pragmatic diplomacy to lay the groundwork for a more peaceful, stable, and free region.
Or maybe you're so far up your own media you've lost all ability to see nuance? Stop believing your own boogeyman stories and start actually being Conservative.
I agree that California and most Democrats are biased against nuclear power. But the Republican party and Republican-dominated states are no better with nuclear power, and they have the bonus of promoting fossil fuels. Trump in particular has been promoting coal power.Or maybe you're so far up your own media you've lost all ability to see nuance? Stop believing your own boogeyman stories and start actually being Conservative.
https://thehill.com/policy/energy-environment/368581-california-approves-closure-of-last-nuclear-power-plant
LOL
Maybe get a fucking clue..?
Trump in particular has been promoting coal power.
Maybe get a fucking clue..?
I'd ask you to figure out what nuance means first, but nobody cares if you do.
Sure.Trump in particular has been promoting coal power.Could you provide a source for this?
LETTING COAL COUNTRY WORK AGAIN: Today, President Donald J. Trump signed legislation (House Joint Resolution 38) to stop the costly “Stream Protection Rule” from further harming coal workers and the communities that depend on them.Source: https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefings-statements/president-trump-putting-coal-country-back-work/
President Trump had promised to do everything he could to lift the coal mining industry. Trump began to make good on his pledge last month when he eliminated the Stream Protection Rule, which had placed layers of regulations on the industry.Source: https://www.foxnews.com/us/coal-mining-begins-seeing-revival-as-trump-gives-industry-hope
Trump has been protecting coal miners so they can keep their jobs and put food on the table for their families.The only reason why coal can be profitable is because they are allowed to dump poisons into the environment without repercussion - while nuclear and other industries are held to much stricter regulation. The pollution caused by coal has clearly proven negative effects on the workers as well as everyone else, costing thousands of lives every year. That's a clear network externality. Government needs to regulate, or coal can continue to profit by shitting on everyone else. It's foolish and harmful to prop it up.
He's been openly anti-environmental, promoting frickin coal while doing nothing about nuclear power.
I'd ask you to figure out what nuance means first, but nobody cares if you do.
What's it like to be proven demonstrably wrong, and yet claim you're right?
"Nuance" - a weaselly lawyer word to avoid perjury.
I know that many people do not like Michael Moore and sure he looks like the archetypal old fat racist white man and on the other hand his movie Planet of the Humans makes some interesting points regarding "Green" energy.I despise Moore, but Planet of the Humans sounds interesting. I might have to give it a watch.
I despise Moore, but Planet of the Humans sounds interesting. I might have to give it a watch.
The only reason why coal can be profitable is because they are allowed to dump poisons into the environment without repercussion - while nuclear and other industries are held to much stricter regulation. The pollution caused by coal has clearly proven negative effects on the workers as well as everyone else, costing thousands of lives every year. That's a clear network externality. Government needs to regulate, or coal can continue to profit by shitting on everyone else. It's foolish and harmful to prop it up.
I'm all for helping former miners find other work, but poisoning everyone so they can keep doing the job they used to is not a positive for the nation.
The only reason why coal can be profitable is because they are allowed to dump poisons into the environment without repercussion - while nuclear and other industries are held to much stricter regulation. The pollution caused by coal has clearly proven negative effects on the workers as well as everyone else, costing thousands of lives every year. That's a clear network externality. Government needs to regulate, or coal can continue to profit by shitting on everyone else. It's foolish and harmful to prop it up.
I'm all for helping former miners find other work, but poisoning everyone so they can keep doing the job they used to is not a positive for the nation.
You need to start being “actually conservative”, Brad! Just like all those Acela Repubs.
Conservatism is about oligarchy, becoming a service economy, imperialism, and globalism. All while preferring to unilaterally hold to the queensberry rules even if it means getting blown off the political battlefield by an opponent who does not. The traditions our founding fathers fought for.
Minor nitpick: Nuclear currently generates around 20% of U.S. power, along with 7% hydroelectric, 7% wind, and 2% solar. (source (https://www.eia.gov/tools/faqs/faq.php?id=427&t=3)) Still, I agree that hydrocarbon is necessary and can't be avoided - but that doesn't mean that we should be actively promoting it - particularly coal which is the most polluting form.The only reason why coal can be profitable is because they are allowed to dump poisons into the environment without repercussion - while nuclear and other industries are held to much stricter regulation. The pollution caused by coal has clearly proven negative effects on the workers as well as everyone else, costing thousands of lives every year. That's a clear network externality. Government needs to regulate, or coal can continue to profit by shitting on everyone else. It's foolish and harmful to prop it up.It sounds like your issue isn't with Trump supporting coal, or coal power, but the specific regulations (or lack therof) that exist now.
I'm all for helping former miners find other work, but poisoning everyone so they can keep doing the job they used to is not a positive for the nation.
If you don't live near convenient hydroelectric power, hydrocarbon is the only viable alternative right now. Those electric cars need to pollute somehow to juice up their batteries.
Idealism is all fine and nice, but does fuck all during an actual war. Pontificating in ivory towers about shouldland is best left to the pseudo-intellectuals because they literally offer nothing valuable that's applicable to real life.Except we're not at fucking war. America's problems today are not caused by assault from another country - they're overwhelmingly caused by ourselves. As a whole, our country has more material wealth than we have ever had - but lots of Americans are still miserable.
Further, modern coal-burning plants are some of the most sophisticated things ever created and are essentially carbon-neutral once you factor in all the mitigation protocols during the process. Just like modern diesel engines...which are FAR more environmentally friendly than electric, but you'll never hear a leftist utter such words as that would totally blow holes in their "climate change" agenda. If they're so concerned with the climate, why do they fly around in private jets and live in 10k sqft houses?Source on this? All the scientific sources that I read are roughly in agreement. Modern coal might be cleaner than older coal plants, but they are still the most polluting source out there - of not just carbon dioxide, but also mercury, lead, and particulates. Here's one analysis, for example:
Sauce: https://www.foxnews.com/science/10-times-experts-predicted-the-world-would-end-by-now
(I remember all this when I went to school and they are SEVERELY UNDERPLAYING all this shite that was THE GOSPEL TRUTH ACCORDING TO SCIENCE! You know, those evil people whose maths are racist! And are either white, know someone white, wear white lab coats, or are fashists anyway!) :P
Except we're not at fucking war. America's problems today are not caused by assault from another country - they're overwhelmingly caused by ourselves. As a whole, our country has more material wealth than we have ever had - but lots of Americans are still miserable.
Intellectual pursuits like science and economics *do* apply to real life -- and turning against them has just made us more ignorant and miserable. Further, ideals like caring about truth, justice, equality, and our fellow human beings have measurable results in making use less miserable.
Source on this? All the scientific sources that I read are roughly in agreement. Modern coal might be cleaner than older coal plants, but they are still the most polluting source out there - of not just carbon dioxide, but also mercury, lead, and particulates. Here's one analysis, for example:
https://noharm-uscanada.org/sites/default/files/documents-files/828/Health_Effects_Coal_Use_Energy_Generation.pdf
Scientists do really make mistakes from time to time - it's possible that this was a real blunder. But the track record of published, peer-reviewed science is *vastly* better than the statements of politicians, administrators, activists, YouTubers, and pundits. Even if #9 is genuine blunder, I don't see how that should change my view of science as a whole compared to other sources.
Am I the only one around here that literally does not give a single shit about "Climate Change"?
Nah, I'm there with you, tenbones.
The problem I've had for a while has been the deceptive practices of the so called 'climate experts'. The models don't match up, the data is massaged, and the raw results always seem to go mysteriously missing. The infamous 'Climategate' emails basically killed any interest I had in the phenomena.
Now I'm being lectured by an autistic moppet who should be down on her knees thanking modern civilization that she hasn't been married off like so much chattel in exchange for a dowry.
Now I'm being lectured by an autistic moppet who should be down on her knees thanking modern civilization that she hasn't been married off like so much chattel in exchange for a dowry.I'll respond to some other points in a bit, but I have to ask: What is this about? Is it a reference to me, or to someone else here? It seems like a non-sequitur to the current conversation.
I'll respond to some other points in a bit, but I have to ask: What is this about? Is it a reference to me, or to someone else here? It seems like a non-sequitur to the current conversation.Greta Thunberg, the current darling of the watermelon left.
I'll respond to some other points in a bit, but I have to ask: What is this about? Is it a reference to me, or to someone else here? It seems like a non-sequitur to the current conversation.Greta Thunberg, the current darling of the watermelon left.
Ah. Thanks for the clarification, Ghostmaker.I'll respond to some other points in a bit, but I have to ask: What is this about? Is it a reference to me, or to someone else here? It seems like a non-sequitur to the current conversation.Greta Thunberg, the current darling of the watermelon left.
Am I the only one around here that literally does not give a single shit about "Climate Change"?
I honestly don't. Every time someone brings it up, it turns into their doomsday apocalypse prophecy that literally NO ONE reading this can affect (and likely don't practice being carbon-neutral in their own lives) - and the proponents of these ideas are likewise doing nothing to affect things other than pontificate about it. Or worse, they're profiting off the phenomenon by pumping fear in order for you to buy their shit.
It's disingenuous in its presentation and practice. It's not economically feasible by their own proponents (unless you buy their shit). It's the scientific equivalent of angels-pinhead-dancing-calculation in discussion and completely free of reality. And if America were "carbon-neutral" it would not change one single thing.
This is a horribly designed game.
Am I the only one around here that literally does not give a single shit about "Climate Change"?
My research is specifically in green energy, so I have to read a ton of crap about climate change. Fundamentally, I think green energy is a perfectly valid concept: why pollute if you don't have to? It's also important to find renewable sources of energy specifically because computing power is increasing at an astronomical rate and we might literally be unable to power datacenters and whatever else, which means stuff like phones and computers and pretty much anything reliant on the Internet will cease to operate. So it's a big deal, but NOT in the way leftist try to frame the problem.
RE: climate change, it is 100% total horseshit. 100%. Anyone who believes otherwise is a goddamn moron, sorry. I have read so many fucking studies on this shit, and we are essentially helpless to alter the climate in any meaningful way. Yet, everything is based on blaming humans for fucking up the climate.
Anyone remember when cow farts were going to cause the next ice age? That's what passes as legitimate scientific study in the real of climate change, speculating that due to the vast number of cattle used for human consumption releasing methane into the atmosphere, humans are actually responsible for the Earth getting all fucked up. It ALWAYS goes back to how humans are the root cause of any sort of cooling or warming on Earth, never anything else. Ever.
Climate change "science" is nothing more than modern day snake oil and leftist fucktards eat it up like it's candy. Feels over facts! Humans are bad! We need to protect Mother Gaia! REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
I'll respond to some other points in a bit, but I have to ask: What is this about? Is it a reference to me, or to someone else here? It seems like a non-sequitur to the current conversation.Greta Thunberg, the current darling of the watermelon left.
How dare you!
;D
Sure - go green if you can. But until you start putting Nuclear on the table to offset the lack of consistency from "Green energy" - it's unfeasible unless we're all willing to go full Luddite-mode.I agree that nuclear is the best clean energy option, and we should be majorly expanding and developing nuclear power. Sadly, it remains unpopular among the wider public, and restricted by backwards attitudes. So I try my best to convince people to believe in the science on this topic - but it is a struggle.
Climate change "science" is nothing more than modern day snake oil and leftist fucktards eat it up like it's candy. Feels over facts! Humans are bad! We need to protect Mother Gaia! REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEI do think that far too much of today's political discourse is about feels over facts. Overwhelmingly, most people don't read opposing viewpoints - and start out with a hostile attitude towards them. I would prefer to talk plainly over facts rather than feels. That brings us back to the prior claim:
Further, modern coal-burning plants are some of the most sophisticated things ever created and are essentially carbon-neutral once you factor in all the mitigation protocols during the process. Just like modern diesel engines...which are FAR more environmentally friendly than electric, but you'll never hear a leftist utter such words as that would totally blow holes in their "climate change" agenda.
Source on this? All the scientific sources that I read are roughly in agreement. Modern coal might be cleaner than older coal plants, but they are still the most polluting source out there - of not just carbon dioxide, but also mercury, lead, and particulates. Here's one analysis, for example:
https://noharm-uscanada.org/sites/default/files/documents-files/828/Health_Effects_Coal_Use_Energy_Generation.pdf
Why do "climate change scientists" fly around in jets to conferences all over the world? Why aren't people advocating for putting a stop to major sources of greenhouse gasses like volcanoes and the Amazon rain forest? How does paying higher taxes magically fix the weather?This is dodging the question and irrelevant name-calling. You claim to care about facts, which I believe - so I'd ask that you engage about them. What is your basis for your claim about coal power?
Maybe you need to stop being such a fucktard.
Science has been so compromised by politics and by scientists and science orgs allowing themselves to become political footballs, that I doubt the reputation of "science" is going to improve any time soon.
I recently had dinner with a friend with a physics doctorate whose written books on the history of scientific thought (with ghosting from my girlfriend) and he was breathing fire over how the phrases "settled science" and "the science is settled" are a dangerous poison.
Science has been so compromised by politics and by scientists and science orgs allowing themselves to become political footballs, that I doubt the reputation of "science" is going to improve any time soon.*Everything* has become tinged by politics at these times. Science has never been completely immune to politics, but it has safeguards against influence that are not in other sources.
I recently had dinner with a friend with a physics doctorate whose written books on the history of scientific thought (with ghosting from my girlfriend) and he was breathing fire over how the phrases "settled science" and "the science is settled" are a dangerous poison.I tend to agree that this is a problem. In these hyper-partisan times, people are almost never willing to admit any doubt or uncertainty. Instead, they are rigidly certain that their side is 100% correct, and the other side is 100% wrong.
Sauce: https://www.foxnews.com/science/10-times-experts-predicted-the-world-would-end-by-now
(I remember all this when I went to school and they are SEVERELY UNDERPLAYING all this shite that was THE GOSPEL TRUTH ACCORDING TO SCIENCE! You know, those evil people whose maths are racist! And are either white, know someone white, wear white lab coats, or are fashists anyway!) :P
So there's a list that spans multiple decades by "experts" in a variety of fields ranging from metallurgy to climate, looking for predictions that were wrong. And what did they come up with:
#1: A verbal statement on global warming by Noel Brown, who has a PhD in International Relations and served as a director at the U.N.
Frankly it is questionable if so called "Climate" Scientists are even real scientists at all. You may as well call Economists, Hygiene Technicians and Political "Scientists" scientists.Science is just knowledge, and the methods for acquiring it. So economists and political scientists are scientists.
Nuclear power (and nuclear waste) suffer from 'not in my backyard'. So do landfills.
Effectively, everyone agrees that nuclear power is great as long as it isn't anywhere near them, specifically. I don't see red states like Wyoming (or previously ruby red Arizona) supporting measures to store waste within their borders.
In these hyper-partisan times, people are almost never willing to admit any doubt or uncertainty. Instead, they are rigidly certain that their side is 100% correct, and the other side is 100% wrong.
I've seen a few critiques about the waste generated by "green" power, like solar and wind. I'm wondering-
1. How much land has to be covered by solar panels to power the entire United States.
2. How much waste is generated by constructing solar panels. I hear it's not inconsequential, and very toxic.
3. How much waste is generated by broken and used up solar panels and wind turbines.
In 5-10 years, are we going to have a "crisis" generated by so-called green energy? Is it going to be a situation where we trade one environmental disaster for another?
Why not just shoot it into the Sun? 100% serious here...
Thank you for those articles. I've only had time to read one of them this morning, but I plan to read the others after work.Why not just shoot it into the Sun? 100% serious here...
Requires too much delta V for a rocket or even a stream of rockets to de-orbit all nuclear waste into the sun. If you have the capability to do that, then you can build solar power satellites and solve most of the world's energy problem with those.
There are alternatives instead of burial like the new designs of small Thorium based fission reactors or breeder reactors. Main problem is the burdensome regulations on anything nuclear related.
https://www.realclearenergy.org/articles/2017/08/10/the_nuclear_regulatory_commission_working_itself_out_of_a_job_110241.html
https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/coal-ash-is-more-radioactive-than-nuclear-waste/
http://physicsbuzz.physicscentral.com/2015/08/whats-more-radioactive-than-nuclear.html
Hydroelectric is easily the best of the "green energy" solutions. Dams last a long time...Hoover Dam has been around for almost 90 years and powers most of Nevada and a lot of southern California. Niagara Falls plants are far older than that and powers update NY and a lot of Ontario. As stated, easily the most efficient and best. Solar panels in their current state last something like 30(?) years. The real issue is damage; you have a panel out in a field, it'll get pummeled by hail or bird shitting on it or whatever. Windmills, those giant things, are total trash. They do not have a long life, have to be turned off in high winds (check out Youtube) and don't work for shit with low winds, etc. They are junk beyond powering a well like back in the old days, mostly because they require a lot of resources that will never be reclaimed. It costs far more energy to make a windmill than will ever be produced.There's only so many places you can put a hydro plant, as well.
Honestly, burning wood is a good power source, and is probably be better than any renewable power source except hydro, but people seem to have a problem with smoke. For reasons? I dunno, this stuff gives me a headache even thinking about. Just work on fusion and be done with it.
Greetings!I would want to see specifics on how they're running their windmills. And mind you, it's Belgium. Not exactly a LARGE country, albeit densely populated.
I thought I have read about the Belgians--or maybe it was Denmark--or the Dutch--that have embraced windmills and just love the things. Why is it they make good and efficient use of windmill farms, but somehow, here in the United States it is an inefficient, money-wasting fiasco?
Semper Fidelis,
SHARK
Greetings!
I thought I have read about the Belgians--or maybe it was Denmark--or the Dutch--that have embraced windmills and just love the things. Why is it they make good and efficient use of windmill farms, but somehow, here in the United States it is an inefficient, money-wasting fiasco?
Semper Fidelis,
SHARK
The evidence seemed to indicate that contrary to the environmentalist nuts--there was no magic formula, super technology, or some such that was going to revolutionize anything. My professor did however, suggest that a combination of new technologies, new resources, and new industrial and environmental and economic policies and processes, taken and organized together, could potentially serve to be a reasonably effective solution to our various environmental and energy challenges and needs. One of the partial solutions that could prove helpful was windpower, using the huge windmill farms. He discussed the various efforts in some of the Northern European countries, like Denmark and Holland.The biggest problem with wind is intermittency. Power grids require stable power, so when they use sources that fluctuate during the day, there needs to be a backup power source that's able to meet any slack in capacity, almost instantly. Which means for whatever amount of intermittent energy you use, you need to have that same capacity available in batteries, or be able to turn on and off other power sources on demand.
More climate change stuff: https://www.standard.co.uk/news/world/scientist-suggests-eating-human-meat-to-tackle-climate-change-a4230561.html
How can anyone possibly support this nonsense?
Why not just shoot it into the Sun? 100% serious here...Requires too much delta V for a rocket or even a stream of rockets to de-orbit all nuclear waste into the sun. If you have the capability to do that, then you can build solar power satellites and solve most of the world's energy problem with those.
There are alternatives instead of burial like the new designs of small Thorium based fission reactors or breeder reactors. Main problem is the burdensome regulations on anything nuclear related.
https://www.realclearenergy.org/articles/2017/08/10/the_nuclear_regulatory_commission_working_itself_out_of_a_job_110241.html
https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/coal-ash-is-more-radioactive-than-nuclear-waste/
http://physicsbuzz.physicscentral.com/2015/08/whats-more-radioactive-than-nuclear.html
But if anything is labelled as "radioactive" - even at non-harmful levels - then people are conditioned to panic by ongoing cultural portrayals that ignore the science, like HBO's Chernobyl mini-series. In truth, the track record of nuclear power is that it is many orders of magnitude safer than any fossil fuel.Chernobyl isn't even really a fair evaluation of the pros and cons of nuclear power, considering the nature of the accident. An inherently flawed reactor design, lack of containment vessel for the reactor, inexperienced workers... it's like evaluating amateur musicians based on the performance of William Hung.
Chernobyl isn't even really a fair evaluation of the pros and cons of nuclear power, considering the nature of the accident. An inherently flawed reactor design, lack of containment vessel for the reactor, inexperienced workers... it's like evaluating amateur musicians based on the performance of William Hung.
But if anything is labelled as "radioactive" - even at non-harmful levels - then people are conditioned to panic by ongoing cultural portrayals that ignore the science, like HBO's Chernobyl mini-series. In truth, the track record of nuclear power is that it is many orders of magnitude safer than any fossil fuel.
I've seen a few critiques about the waste generated by "green" power, like solar and wind. I'm wondering-
1. How much land has to be covered by solar panels to power the entire United States.
2. How much waste is generated by constructing solar panels. I hear it's not inconsequential, and very toxic.
3. How much waste is generated by broken and used up solar panels and wind turbines.
In 5-10 years, are we going to have a "crisis" generated by so-called green energy? Is it going to be a situation where we trade one environmental disaster for another?
Didn't that dude make millions of dollars?*chuckles* Well played. And I dunno if he made millions of dollars, but he was canny enough to monetize his fifteen minutes into enough cash to put himself through college. So perhaps he's not the best comparison for this.
By the way I once saw a razor hone that proudly proclaimed to be radioactive. No idea how that would help keep your razor sharp, but apparently decades before Chernobyl people used to think that “radioactive” was a sure win even if it made no sense :)
By the way I once saw a razor hone that proudly proclaimed to be radioactive. No idea how that would help keep your razor sharp, but apparently decades before Chernobyl people used to think that “radioactive” was a sure win even if it made no sense :)
People used to put radium in their seat cushions because they thought it was healthy. Something about invigorating the lower extremities or improving circulation.
Or they'd drink it, giving a whole new meaning to the term 'energy drink'.Yes, people have always been irrational, and have bought into irrational claims. The cure-all "Radithor" was completely unscientific junk which had no backing in the scientific knowledge of the time. It was pure irrational fervor that stuff that glowed was cool and healthy.
Unfortunately, there were some rather unpleasant side effects (https://www.cultofweird.com/medical/eben-byers-radithor-poisoning/).
While I don't think it's intentional, this is pretty much what I mean by "conditioning". You're not making any logical claim per se about nuclear power. But by bringing up the topic of an obscure radioactive snake-oil from 90 years ago, it has the effect of emotionally reinforcing the association of "radiation = death", which is really strong in people's minds.It's not just irrational fear, the scientific understanding has also changed. During the Cold War, they overestimated the dangers from radiation -- more realistic movies like Threads tended to treat any radiation exposure as a death sentence. But in the 35 years since Chernobyl, they've learned a lot. The effects on the people in the exclusion zone are less severe than they imagined -- there's basically no evidence of an increased risk of cancer, birth defects, or other negative effects, with one exception (increase in thyroid cancer among children). This isn't to downplay the disaster -- the core is a hellish nightmare. But we're exposed to lower doses naturally, all the time.
While I don't think it's intentional, this is pretty much what I mean by "conditioning". You're not making any logical claim per se about nuclear power. But by bringing up the topic of an obscure radioactive snake-oil from 90 years ago, it has the effect of emotionally reinforcing the association of "radiation = death", which is really strong in people's minds.It's not just irrational fear, the scientific understanding has also changed. During the Cold War, they overestimated the dangers from radiation -- more realistic movies like Threads tended to treat any radiation exposure as a death sentence. But in the 35 years since Chernobyl, they've learned a lot. The effects on the people in the exclusion zone are less severe than they imagined -- there's basically no evidence of an increased risk of cancer, birth defects, or other negative effects, with one exception (increase in thyroid cancer among children). This isn't to downplay the disaster -- the core is a hellish nightmare. But we're exposed to lower doses naturally, all the time.
https://xkcd.com/radiation/
The accident at Fukushima came long after Chernobyl, yet if anything, the panic was greater, with people hundreds of miles away on the American coast fearing radiation in the water.Well, we've become even more safety-conscious today. Some of this is legit, and the world is safer -- bike helmets for kids, even understanding allergies better. But a lot of it is just fear-mongering. Like stranger danger, fear of school shootings, and nuclear power.
Yes, people have always been irrational, and have bought into irrational claims. The cure-all "Radithor" was completely unscientific junk which had no backing in the scientific knowledge of the time. It was pure irrational fervor that stuff that glowed was cool and healthy.That happens sometimes. I think Fallout had a call back to it with some of their glow-in-the-dark Nuka Cola recipes.
While I don't think it's intentional, this is pretty much what I mean by "conditioning". You're not making any logical claim per se about nuclear power. But by bringing up the topic of an obscure radioactive snake-oil from 90 years ago, it has the effect of emotionally reinforcing the association of "radiation = death", which is really strong in people's minds.Yes, the guy who was suggesting pebble bed and thorium salt reactors less than ten posts back is making claims against nuclear power.
Byers was fucking drinking a highly radioactive solution every day for three years! Even if it were a real medicine, he likely would have had horrible side-effects from overdosing on it. No one doubts that radiation can be deadly in sufficient quantity. But that's no different than almost anything. Too much sunshine will give you cancer, and too much oxygen will kill you. Radioactive substances can be harmful, but not moreso than tons of other toxins.Hooray, you've discovered the LD50 concept.
Sorry, Ghostmaker. I have highlighted in bold above how I said it was not intentional. However, I could have been clearer in saying that - and for that I do apologize.While I don't think it's intentional, this is pretty much what I mean by "conditioning". You're not making any logical claim per se about nuclear power. But by bringing up the topic of an obscure radioactive snake-oil from 90 years ago, it has the effect of emotionally reinforcing the association of "radiation = death", which is really strong in people's minds....
Now I think you owe me an apology, because you blatantly and deliberately misread wry commentary about early misuse of radioactive materials as some kind of attack on nuclear power.
Sorry, Ghostmaker. I have highlighted in bold above how I said it was not intentional. However, I could have been clearer in saying that - and for that I do apologize.Accepted.
Those of us who support nuclear power have to work to overcome the bias that most people have - including ourselves, which works by subtle conditioning rather than logical argument. I'm not claiming to be above it myself. I know that in the past when I've taught students about radiation, I've scared them rather than overcoming their fears.
God forbid if it has too much Yellow #5.Must be a linked to a weakness in the power rings of the vocal idiots.
I have a feeling there is more to the regulations against nuclear power than simple public sentiment and closer related to financial/lobby reasons and how much stock that is NOT nuclear power owned by pelosi and mcconnell for nuclear power to be so restricted (takes over 25 years to get a plant built). I say these things as a graduate of the Naval Nuclear Power Program, and working in and on a nuclear power plant for a few years after that. I keep in contact with a fellow who was in with me, and he is leaving nuclear power now, because the industry is being put to death by the powers that be, flat out.
Requires too much delta V for a rocket
I myself am not voting.
Just stopping by to read the hilarity. The only question on my mind is who I’ll be laughing at soon. Will it be the Trump Derangement Syndrome Morons or the Trumptards? I’m on the edge of my seat! :o
Well, that was fun. OK, not really.
As it stands right now (7:30 AM CST), there are several states still 'in play': Wisconsin, Pennsylvania, North Carolina, Georgia, Michigan, Nevada, and Arizona.
Arizona has been called for Biden by a couple news outlets. Nevada has Biden with a VERY slim lead and they stated they're not saying anything else till they tabulate the rest of the votes.
Wisconsin had Biden magically jump to the lead and will probably be called for him. Trump needs the other four states to win. He'll PROBABLY pick up Georgia and North Carolina, and Michigan as well, but Pennsylvania is still anyone's guess thanks to the election day fuckery (yeah, go ahead, defend barring poll workers from entering polling places).
Trump can probably eke out a win here, but don't expect the left to accept it.
Isn't it amazing how 138k votes magically appeared in Michigan, all for Biden? Guess their printer broke last night and they had to get a new shipment in from Beijing.
Our Chinese overlords can't have us plebs deciding we don't want communism...anyone who thinks Biden really got around half the popular vote is a fucking moron.
EDIT: Oh and NOW they call Michigan for Biden, when Trump was up substantially. The fix is in...goodbye USA, was nice knowing you. Anyone have any reasonable idea when Civil War II starts?
Will the war be when President Biden or Harris Exec Order our gun rights away?
No one’s going to war over a nailbiter election determined by absentee ballots. There’s no rallying cry, no proof of Casus Belli. Everyone will hope the riots are over and go back to Netflix.
No one’s going to war over a nailbiter election determined by absentee ballots. There’s no rallying cry, no proof of Casus Belli. Everyone will hope the riots are over and go back to Netflix.
Probably. Especially if (a) the EO immediately gets blitzed with a lawsuit, sending it to SCOTUS (whoops!), or (b) red states just smile and say 'Nah, suck our dicks'.Will the war be when President Biden or Harris Exec Order our gun rights away?
No one’s going to war over a nailbiter election determined by absentee ballots. There’s no rallying cry, no proof of Casus Belli. Everyone will hope the riots are over and go back to Netflix.
Probably. Especially if (a) the EO immediately gets blitzed with a lawsuit, sending it to SCOTUS (whoops!), or (b) red states just smile and say 'Nah, suck our dicks'.
The Michigan thing is so insultingly blatant, I'm surprised the Dems went ahead with it. Also, it seems there are more votes cast in Wisconsin than registered voters.
This shitshow is so embarrassing for America. Tech leader of the world yet they can't get their act together to properly track and count votes. Even fucking Canuckistan has figured this out.
I am so sicken and disgusted with the ballots. They are fucking cheating.
I am so sicken and disgusted with the ballots. They are fucking cheating.
What’s the argument for cheating? I haven’t seen any pundits claim that.Supposedly, the updated votes in WI and MI were 100% in Biden's favor. Not a single Trump vote. Trump went from being comfortably ahead to behind as around 120k votes hit both totals.
Both parties have had recent opportunity to pass through meaningful election reform with undivided control.All Congress wants to do these days is bitch and spend money.
If the Democrats thought that Republicans were hugely cheating, they could have passed election reform legislation during Obama's first two years.
If the Republicans thought that Democrats were hugely cheating, they could have passed election reform legislation during Trump's first two years and/or launched investigations to prove the fraudulent votes in 2016.
Instead, it seems that the existing system is roughly balanced between Republicans and Democrats, and neither are pushing for any major reforms - at most minor tweaks. Rather than constantly bitching only about the other side, we should fix the system.
The Michigan surge has been withdrawn and explained as a 'typo.'Linkage? I believe you, but I can't find anything on it and it still shows Biden 50k ahead of Trump.
The Michigan surge has been withdrawn and explained as a 'typo.'Linkage? I believe you, but I can't find anything on it and it still shows Biden 50k ahead of Trump.
The Michigan surge has been withdrawn and explained as a 'typo.'It's an odd sort of "typo". If not it's certainly a statistical improbability...
Both parties have had recent opportunity to pass through meaningful election reform with undivided control.
If the Democrats thought that Republicans were hugely cheating, they could have passed election reform legislation during Obama's first two years.
If the Republicans thought that Democrats were hugely cheating, they could have passed election reform legislation during Trump's first two years and/or launched investigations to prove the fraudulent votes in 2016.
Instead, it seems that the existing system is roughly balanced between Republicans and Democrats, and neither are pushing for any major reforms - at most minor tweaks. Rather than constantly bitching only about the other side, we should fix the system.
I am so sicken and disgusted with the ballots. They are fucking cheating.
Undeniably so. It is obvious to everyone. It should be equally obvious that this cheating will not stand, and will not dictate the election outcome. What is not obvious is the sequence of events that will deal with this cheating. For that, we will have to literally "wait and see".
You fix a completely rotted out structure by DESTROYING it and then rebuilding. I do not know if I have the stomach for that, and I have serious doubts you do. I think instead we will just see a constant erosion of empire. Though I agree with not bitching about it. I can move, and I think I will just lay the tracks to get that train rolling and let all the folks who want to stay here and ride the titanic to the bottom do it if they choose.What’s the argument for cheating? I haven’t seen any pundits claim that.Supposedly, the updated votes in WI and MI were 100% in Biden's favor. Not a single Trump vote. Trump went from being comfortably ahead to behind as around 120k votes hit both totals.
What’s the argument for cheating? I haven’t seen any pundits claim that.Supposedly, the updated votes in WI and MI were 100% in Biden's favor. Not a single Trump vote. Trump went from being comfortably ahead to behind as around 120k votes hit both totals.
Also, it seems there are more votes cast in Wisconsin than registered voters.
Also, it seems there are more votes cast in Wisconsin than registered voters.
Debunked by Polifact and Snopes.
Also, it seems there are more votes cast in Wisconsin than registered voters.
Debunked by Polifact and Snopes. Someone was comparing 2020 vote totals to 2018 registration; the total registered before the 2020 election was higher than the votes, and Wisconsin allows registration at the polling place.
https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2020/nov/04/tweets/no-wisconsin-doesnt-have-more-ballots-cast-registe/
https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/wisconsin-more-votes-than-voters/
I couldn't figure out what the Louder with Crowder claim was; something about votes being carried in in coolers? Not sure how they concluded that the coolers contained votes... How dare election workers bring their own food during a pandemic, I guess. I expect it is up to the party observers of the counting to look for bad stuff, in accordance with Michigan law, rather than randos with video cameras lurking by the doors and windows.
Looks like Democratic Presidency and VP (by a nose), Republican Senate (one member shift plus new VP), Democratic House (though Democrats lost some seats and Republicans gained some seats).
That's a very mixed finish. It means one of the these two things can happen in terms of passing actual meaningful legislation going forward for the next couple years: 1) compromise, or 2) stalemate.
Nahh, Trump will win, it's just gonna take a long time...
Your inability to process reality notwithstanding, my statement stands.
Reality: Lots of litigation, voter fraud uncovered, Trump wins
Not reality: fucktards on a roleplaying game messageboard professing insider knowledge of politics based on crap they saw on Reddit
You are in denial. It's Ok. You will get through the stages of grief eventually. We're here for you.
I don't read reddit, and I have a degree in political science, for what that is worth. Which is nothing because you're not here for a conversation. You're here to try and resist moving on from your stage of grief.
Denial about what? MASSIVE voter fraud? STFU, retard.
Denial about what? MASSIVE voter fraud? STFU, retard.
How do you envision this fraud going down?
So we should listen to you, one of the fucktards, when you tell us that what the fucktards say is not reality?Your inability to process reality notwithstanding, my statement stands.
Reality: Lots of litigation, voter fraud uncovered, Trump wins
Not reality: fucktards on a roleplaying game messageboard professing insider knowledge of politics based on crap they saw on Reddit
No doubt you don't believe any of it but why did the swing states "stop counting" in the middle of the night? And magically after that, in the wee hours and beyond, every Trump lead evaporated. As Stalin said, it's who counts the ballots.Denial about what? MASSIVE voter fraud? STFU, retard.
How do you envision this fraud going down?
The most pervasive voter fraud I've every seen, and they're doing it openly. First and last time I ever vote. This is why I don't believe that liberal democracy can work.I have voted for 25 years and I'm done, unless the courts force them to look real carefully at the swing state shenanigans.
The sense that I get is that the republic is dead since the system has been so badly besmirched and turned into a total mockery. Voting no longer matters one way or the other, it's just a matter of who is strong enough to take control.
Debunked by Polifact and Snopes. Someone was comparing 2020 vote totals to 2018 registration; the total registered before the 2020 election was higher than the votes, and Wisconsin allows registration at the polling place.Even using the "reported" numbers, that's still like a 90% turnout...which is fucking ludicrous if you know anything about elections.
This is going to the Supreme Court. If you watched the Louder with Crowder Election stream which I told you guys to watch you would had seen voter fraud in Detroit after closing time. With video evidence and eye witness report.You didn't post a link. I watched a bit of this video that I found by search -
This is going to the Supreme Court. If you watched the Louder with Crowder Election stream which I told you guys to watch you would had seen voter fraud in Detroit after closing time. With video evidence and eye witness report.
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Well, if Biden and Harris manage to defraud this election, they will usher in Marxism and our Republic will be gone. Four years from now, you won't recognize this country as America any longer, if not a whole fuck sooner than that. Are you comfortable with a Marxist takeover of America?
Open your fucking eyes and swallow down the shit policies that fucking Bernie, Harris, Beto O'Rourke, Buttiegieg, AOC and the "squad" have all said they have planned for America, and ask yourself if that is a free America. Ask yourself if that is a vision of America that can somehow ever be reversed if they get into power. How is all of that BS not Marxist tyranny?
Amazing how many mindless fucking slugs there are that love Marxism. A big Marxist ass-fucking for America. Yay! More globalism, Marxism, racism, reparations, racial and sexual Olympic hierarchies, speech codes, gun confiscation, higher taxes, and brainwashing at an unprecedented scale--and fuck you harder if you are a white person. How nice. This is what is coming for America, and all of these mindless scum are drooling in joy and can hardly wait. How fucking pathetic and sad watching a glorious nation such as America choke, whither, and die. And all unleashed by traitors in our midst.
Semper Fidelis,
SHARK
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Also, it seems there are more votes cast in Wisconsin than registered voters.
Debunked by Polifact and Snopes. Someone was comparing 2020 vote totals to 2018 registration; the total registered before the 2020 election was higher than the votes, and Wisconsin allows registration at the polling place.
Even using the "reported" numbers, that's still like a 90% turnout...which is fucking ludicrous if you know anything about elections.
Nahh, Trump will win, it's just gonna take a long time...
No doubt you don't believe any of it but why did the swing states "stop counting" in the middle of the night? And magically after that, in the wee hours and beyond, every Trump lead evaporated. As Stalin said, it's who counts the ballots.
Why has Trump led Georgia and NC for all this time with 99% in and the MSM is not calling it?
Why aren't they calling Alaska for Trump?
quoting another forum I use:
Wisconsin voter turnout by year:
2000 - 67.01%
2004 - 73.24%
2008 - 69.20%
2012 - 70.14%
2016 - 67.34%
2020 - 89.25%
yeah, right - totally believable!
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Republicans just need a guy with more self control and less ego. If Trump ends up losing AZ a big deciding factor is he insulted McCain. McCain was a POW which makes him a hero in my eyes. Not smart of Trump at all.McCain also spent his entire congressional career chasing the media so they'd suck his dick (figuratively speaking). And as a result, he was utterly undependable when it came to any kind of non-statist -- not even conservative, but just not fucking statist -- principles or votes.
They are trying to tell us Michigan increased voting from 4.8 million in 2016 to 5.5 million in 2020. I expect many of these votes are fraudulent. I just don't see that kind of vast increase in participation.What's hilarious is that the prize, for the Dems, is almost worthless. GOP retains control of the Senate, which means they're dealing with Cocaine Mitch. And the Dems have already set the precedent for challenging presidential EOs through lawfare.
Even if Biden wins, ya'all ain't doing shit but belly ache online. You're ALL MOUTH and nothing else, just like the emotionally stunted Tangency crowd.One of the reasons people are 'panicky' is the sheer amount of thrice-damned bullshit masquerading as news. Here, have a taste: news agencies are claiming John James (GOP) lost against Dem Gary Peters, and that Biden took Michigan.
Trump still has 4 states he will likely win, including PA. There will be a recount in WI. The Donald even picked up one electoral vote in Maine. You all need to calm the fuck down.
Disgusting. If I was Trump, I'd be ashamed to count on any of you panicky bunch of hens.
You all need to calm the fuck down.Yeah, when all the mainstream media tells us there's no voter fraud, and yet fraud stories are popping up like spring flowers...
The government page does show Biden and Peters ahead. Are you saying that information is incorrect?*dies laughing at himself*
Y'all don't give any weight to stories of "racism" and other bullshit, but you're willing to believe this based on some crank with a youtube account. ::)Disappointing? You expected better? Here? Many of the posters here seem to get their reality straight out of heavily biased YouTube videos and don't question it. Conspiracy theories are held as truth and mainstream views are taken as being conspiracies. Don't be disappointed, learn to view it as the twisted entertainment it is once you realize nothing here is real.
You're just another side of the same coin with SJWs. It's dissappointing as hell.
Honestly I think Biden/Harris is going to win this now, even if some states are recounting. Trump got an impressive amount of votes for someone in charge during an election year of absolute disaster though. It should have been a Democrat landslide, as predicted by the polls, but that never happened.In a republic however, you impeach your political opposition as well as surveilling them and creating all sorts of juicy stories about hooker pee. So I suspect this will get interesting.
By all means recount and check for fraud, but being part of a democracy means not going to extremes when the opposition wins. That’s what they do in places like Afghanistan and why those places are permanently unstable. If things are going the way they seem I think it’s soon time to go back to being those independent-minded Republicans, who keep an eye on those in power and tell them to mind their own business.
It is also, of course, known that Republicans are incapable of cheating as their nature is so angelic as to make that constitutionally impossible. Give me a fucking break. You're all more or less the same.I suppose you should have quoted what I said. Or at least have read it.
It is also, of course, known that Republicans are incapable of cheating as their nature is so angelic as to make that constitutionally impossible. Give me a fucking break. You're all more or less the same.
It is also, of course, known that Republicans are incapable of cheating as their nature is so angelic as to make that constitutionally impossible. Give me a fucking break. You're all more or less the same.Straw man which no one said. What many have said is voter ID across the board and voting on election day for most would help with fraud. Whoever said Congress, even when controlled by Republicans, couldn't or wouldn't do anything to make fraud less likely was, of course correct.
Honestly I think Biden/Harris is going to win this now, even if some states are recounting. Trump got an impressive amount of votes for someone in charge during an election year of absolute disaster though. It should have been a Democrat landslide, as predicted by the polls, but that never happened.Mmm. May I recommend this essay? https://thezman.com/wordpress/?p=21724
By all means recount and check for fraud, but being part of a democracy means not going to extremes when the opposition wins. That’s what they do in places like Afghanistan and why those places are permanently unstable. If things are going the way they seem I think it’s soon time to go back to being those independent-minded Republicans, who keep an eye on those in power and tell them to mind their own business.
If things are going the way they seem I think it’s soon time to go back to being those independent-minded Republicans, who keep an eye on those in power and tell them to mind their own business.Gridlock where the Senate and Courts block any Biden/Harris excesses doesn't sound too bad, especially national WuFlu lockdown, mass amnesty, etc.
Gridlock where the Senate and Courts block any Biden/Harris excesses doesn't sound too bad, especially national WuFlu lockdown, mass amnesty, etc.The ugly fact is that despite expending immense resources, and dealing considerable damage to civil liberties, we haven't exactly done well in the 'war on drugs' (the joke about drugs winning the war applies here). I share your distaste, but the current paradigm isn't working at all. That being said, I would also vote for 'no Narcan for frequent ODers'. Evolution in action, baby.
For things completely unrelated to the Presidency, which seem insane to me, I noticed
* Oregon legalized all drugs (isn't it gov who pays for drug addict rehabilitation)
* Florida passed $15 minimum wage which should come in a few years in steps. Do the old people on Social Security think their IHOP server is worth $15/hr? Hi2u fast food robots.
Not sure why the hell Florida passed that minimum wage law, though. Some people just want to believe in miracles, I guess.One factor was all of the tourism industry employees (many of which are furloughed or outright laid off d/t COVID). Of course, the ripple effects of that move are not well considered, but then, they rarely are.
Robots are cool as hell and they don't give you no attitude.I've worked with some robots that definitely gave attitude.
1. The polls lied.As an American, my grasp of geography may be a little shaky, but I was always that the big river that runs through the middle of the USA was the Mississippi...but right now it's looking more like d'Nile. ;)
2. Trump won. The Democrats' fraud is obvious.
Bleat to the contrary all you like.
1. The polls lied.
2. Trump won. The Democrats' fraud is obvious.
Bleat to the contrary all you like.
I'd hope that people on both sides can agree that what's happening right now is some 3rd world bullshit. GOP had to sue to allow poll WATCHERS into polling station in PA which the Supreme Court in PA just overturned. This is just to allow GOP watchers to join the DNC watchers inside the polling stations. Stuff like closing a polling station and sending Repubs home then secretly opening and counting boxes of votes that are 100% Biden (no corresponding down ballot votes!).Mainstream media won't talk about it and/or (in the 'fair and unbias' BBC's case) frame it as Trump being irrational and conspiratorial, the Usual Suspects will pitch it as "tiny handed Orange Man is just a sore loser" at best and "literally ANYTHING can and must be done to oppose a literal fascist nazi dictator getting into the White House" at worst.
doesn't matter who wins this is a VERY bad look.
Disappointing? You expected better? Here? Many of the posters here seem to get their reality straight out of heavily biased YouTube videos and don't question it. Conspiracy theories are held as truth and mainstream views are taken as being conspiracies. Don't be disappointed, learn to view it as the twisted entertainment it is once you realize nothing here is real.I strongly suspect you're working for the Chinese Communist Party. 8)
Y'all don't give any weight to stories of "racism" and other bullshit, but you're willing to believe this based on some crank with a youtube account. ::)Disappointing? You expected better? Here? Many of the posters here seem to get their reality straight out of heavily biased YouTube videos and don't question it. Conspiracy theories are held as truth and mainstream views are taken as being conspiracies. Don't be disappointed, learn to view it as the twisted entertainment it is once you realize nothing here is real.
You're just another side of the same coin with SJWs. It's dissappointing as hell.
I don't believe that mainstream media is full of shit because alternative media youtube channels told me that the MSM lies. I watch alternative media youtube channels because I figured out the MSM lies before I started watching them.
If that were true, I'd like to see a paycheck from them. I recently resigned from the hellhole I was working at, and the last check comes in soon. I've got options, but if China owes me money, I want it.Disappointing? You expected better? Here? Many of the posters here seem to get their reality straight out of heavily biased YouTube videos and don't question it. Conspiracy theories are held as truth and mainstream views are taken as being conspiracies. Don't be disappointed, learn to view it as the twisted entertainment it is once you realize nothing here is real.I strongly suspect you're working for the Chinese Communist Party. 8)
Trump encouraging voter fraud:
Is it voter fraud if they haven't counted your ballot yet?
I am more offended by how ham fisted, clumsy, and audacious the fraud to elect him is than the idea of Joe Biden being president. I think Joe Biden is a corrupt idiot, however, I think America would survive him like we’ve survived previous idiot administrations. However, what is potentially fatal for America is half the populace believing that their elections are hopelessly rigged and they’re eternally fucked. And now, however this shakes out in court, that’s exactly what half the country is going to think.
People are pissed off, and rightfully so.
Before I became a novelist I was an accountant. In auditing you look for red flags. That’s weird bits in the data that suggest something shifty is going on. You flag those weird things so you can delve into them further. One flag doesn’t necessarily mean there’s fraud. Weird things happen. A few flags mean stupidity or dishonesty. But a giant pile of red flags means that there’s bad shit going on and people should be in jail.
Except for in politics, where apparently all you have to do to dismiss a bunch of red flag is be a democrat and mumble something about “fascist voter suppression” then you can do all sorts of blatant crime and get off.
I’ve been trying to keep up with the firehose of information about what’s going on during this clusterfuck of an election. Last night I was on Facebook talking about the crazy high, 3rd world dictatorship level voter turnout levels in the deep blue areas of these swing states was very suspicious. Somebody gas lighted me about how “I’d have to do better than that”, so this was my quick reply, listing off the questionable bullshit I could think of off the top of my head:
The massive turn out alone is a red flag.
But as for doing better…
The late night spikes that were enough to close all the Trump leads are a red flag.
The statistically impossible breakdown of the ratios of these vote dumps is a red flag.
The ratios of these dumps being far better than the percentages in the bluest of blue cities, even though the historical data does not match, red flag.
The ratios of these vote dumps favoring Biden more in these few battlegrounds than the ratio for the rest of the country (even the bluest of the blue) red flag.
Biden outperforming Obama among these few urban vote dumps, even though Trump picked up points in every demographic group in the rest of the country, red flag.
The poll observers being removed. Red flag.
The counters cheering as GOP observers are removed, red flag.
The fact that the dem observers outnumber the GOP observers 3 to 1, red flag (and basis of the first lawsuit filed)
The electioneering at the polls (on video), red flag.
The willful violation of the court order requiring the separation of ballots by type, red flag.
USPS whistleblower reporting to the Inspector General that today they were ordered to backdate ballots to yesterday, red flag.
The video of 2 AM deliveries of what appear to be boxes of ballots with no chain of custody or other observers right before the late night miracle spikes, red flag.
Any of those things would be enough to trigger an audit in the normal world. This many flags and I’d be giggling in anticipation of catching some thieves.
And it isn’t that I have to do better. I’m just an gen pop observer who happens to be a retired auditor with a finely tuned bullshit detector. This is going to the courts.
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So now I want to delve into some of these some more. The problem is that there’s a ton of info swirling around, some good, some crap. It doesn’t help that reporters are usually dishonest or not very bright and absolute trash at presenting data. Part of our problem is Big Tech is actively stomping on stories that make their guy look bad. (while compiling these I discovered that several of the links I’d looked at yesterday had been vanished by Facebook or Twitter)
For the last four years half the country was all “Trump is illegitimate! He’s not my president! He stole the election!” so on and so forth, and that was all based upon nebulous ideas about “Russian Interference”, The Russian Interference mostly boiled down to them buying ads on Facebook, or having fake bots trolling on Twitter last time. This time the actual giant megacorporations, Facebook, Twitter, and Google themselves have actively censored stories in order to protect their candidate. So you think after this pile of suspicious election clusterfucks that makes the game look totally rigged, the other half of the country is going to accept Joe Biden as legitimate? Oh hell no.
When you are auditing you see mistakes happen all the time. Humans make errors. Except in real life, mistakes usually go in different directions. When all the mistakes go in the same direction and benefit the same parties, they probably aren’t mistakes. They’re malfeasance.
Let’s go back a bit to before election day to see why people would be suspicious that the game has been rigged.
Most of the mainstream polls were utter garbage, off by what I believe to be the largest amounts ever in all of American history. Of course, this thing that surely demoralized the right and helped the left raise funds was just an innocent sampling error rather than a purposeful sampling bias… uh huh.
Then in the weeks leading up to the election, Big Tech and the media had a concentrated censorship effort to stop what was probably the juiciest October Surprise in modern history. But them silencing major newspapers and US Senators was just a mistake in their innocent efforts to “fact check”.
Then on election day, states like Florida that were obviously swinging hard for Trump with no possible mathematical way for Biden to come back, the news wouldn’t call for Trump. States where it was still clearly up in the air just based on even the most cursory of statistical analysis (Arizona) they called for Biden ASAP. But that was just innocent mistakes, and not an attempt to set the narrative of inevitable Biden victory by major media.
When Trump pulled ahead in the midwestern swing states by what were starting to appear to be insurmountable amounts, they suddenly threw the brakes on the counts. (my favorite part of this was when it looked like Trump was going to win, the Chinese Yaun crashed, which is pretty telling about just how shitty a candidate Joe Biden is) Okay, suddenly stopping all those counts seemed a little weird, but most of America went to bed thinking that this was a close race, with Trump in the lead in the EC.
Then we woke up in the morning, and everybody saw the 538 graphs showing a massive middle of the night spike for Joe Biden, with almost zilch in corresponding votes for Trump.
Now, one of those got walked back as “typo”. (again, funny how all these “mistakes” keep going in one direction) but the damage was already done, and all of a sudden most of America was paying a whole lot more attention to places like Wisconsin and Michigan than we usually do. That’s how flags work. And it turned out that single six figure typo was only one of many statistically improbable Biden vote dumps to come.
Now, all of my liberal acquaintances were quick to dismiss these, with some gas lighting about how it was just deep blue inner cities votes coming in, and of obviously they’re going to vote for Joe Biden… Except that is them deliberately missing the point. It isn’t that Biden won those, it is that he won them with statistically improbable amounts.
I don’t know what the current numbers are now, but as of yesterday morning the Wisconsin Midnight Mystery Dump was something like 98.4% for Joe Biden. That’s better than the bluest of blue cities manage. That’s better than Biden did in DC. I saw one 28k dump yesterday (I want to say it was 538 talking about PA) that was listed as ALL for Biden. That’s basically statistically impossible.
In a small populace, you can get 100% of the vote. However the larger the sample, the more likely there will be dissenting votes. Even in the bluest of blue areas or reddest of red areas, somebody is going to be a cranky dissident, or an old person is going to fill in the wrong circle. When you get into the hundreds or thousands yet maintain that kind of perfect ratio, basically impossible.
Plus we are supposed to believe that Joe Biden, the guy barely campaigned, who got like 12 sad looking people to his rallies, was more popular than Hillary Clinton or Barack Obama? This election was just that much more special? Uh huh… Except that these few battleground state blue cities vote ratios don’t match up with other blue cities around America, where it appears Trump’s support among every demographic group other than white males went UP.
Then people were quick to dismiss these statistically improbable spikes with “of course the mail in voting favors Biden, republicans vote in person.” Yes, but they don’t favor Biden with these kind of ratios anywhere else in America. The ratios are more like 60-40 or 70-30. But 97-3? Oh fuck no. So either Biden is a better campaigner to the inner cities (though he rarely left his basement) than the eloquent messianic figure of Barack Obama, or there’s something fishy going on here.
Now, as a suspicious auditor type who spent a lot of hours looking for fuckery in complex systems, my gut tells me fake ballots were getting dumped into the system to make up the difference. And oh look, here is a giant pile of red flags indicating that’s the case.
Yesterday there was a meme going around about how Wisconsin had something like 90% voter turnout, and how this was 20 points higher than usual, and it how it would also be one of the highest voter turnouts in all of American history. If Wisconsin was at 90% that beats the highest national number in all of American history by EIGHT points. And that was 1876 (which was legendarily fraudulent by the way).
Except, this is the problem with using memes to make your argument, it was only partially accurate, and the previous Wisconsin numbers were cited one way, and the current year was calculated a different way. (don’t feel bad, I fell for that one too, and as an accountant, that’s SO ANNOYING). When most people think of voter turnout, they think what percent of registered voters vote. But because Wisconsin has same day voting (a gift for fraudsters) their prior year percentages were votes compared to eligible population (that’s so goofy). But it meant the meme was comparing apples to oranges. So the leftists immediately jumped on that error to dismiss the idea that there was anything weird about how many people turned out to vote this time.
HOWEVER, that’s useless obfuscation. Because if you calculate the number the same way that most Americans do, their turn out was still like 90%, which is a rate normally reserved for dictators (that combined with the vote ratios would have made Saddam Hussein blush). I had one liberal guy point out that notoriously corrupt Seattle also gets 90%… which doesn’t exactly help his case.
Because here’s the kicker, the high turn out is the average for the state, but when you drill down on the source of these statistically improbable blue vote dumps, they’ve got districts with TWO HUNDRED PERCENT TURN OUT. That’s over 200%. There’s 7 over 100%, and a ton of them in the 90s. https://mkecitywire.com/stories/564495243-analysis-seven-milwaukee-wards-report-more-2020-presidential-votes-than-registered-voters-biden-nets-146k-votes-in-city
Now the quick liberal dismiss explanation for this is that Wisconsin has same day registration (again, a fraudsters dream) and thousands of people ignored months of TV and social media beating them over the head to get registered to vote, and just decided to do it at the last minute because Biden is just that awesome/Trump is just that bad.
Except if you’re an auditor, when you see super suspicious spikes like that in certain places, the first thing we think is that’s the place where you’ve got somebody over the controls colluding. So that’s where you go to fabricate your bullshit.
200% turn out is fucking insane. Same day voting or not. That’s madness. When I was looking into this stuff I pulled a HuffPo article about the 2012 election and how it was controversial that some Madison ward had gotten 119% turnout.
Oh, but wait, there’s more.
A whistleblower has come forward from a Michigan post office saying that they were given ballots on November 4th, and ordered to post mark them to election day so they would still be valid. https://www.facebook.com/JamesOKeefeAuthor/videos/381073273044980
That is so insanely illegal. When the reporter called the postal supervisor who gave the order and asked about it, he immediately hung up.
Now, on this one, liberals were quick to dismiss it because it was from Project Veritas. (who they hate, and say cherry picks their investigative reporting, yet they keep winning all the lawsuits against them) However, the very next video was the response from the US Postal Inspector General (or whatever his title is, I can’t remember) about how they are investigating, so this wasn’t just some crank going to a reporter, it’s been passed up the chain of command. It’s an actual whistle blower.
I had someone else try to dismiss this one as innocent, because the post office accepting these late ballots had no way of knowing who they voted for so it would balance out. That’s is so naïve its cute. Of course they knew who the ballots were for. They were probably dropped off by people they were colluding with. You don’t commit felonies for clueless strangers because you feel sorry they got their votes in late.
A quick note on collusion because I mentioned it a couple times now. Collusion is the key to successful fraud. Systems have controls and checks in places, so the best way to circumvent them is to team up with somebody over one of those controls and exploit the gap. That’s fraud 101. Which is why you go to the post office your buddy runs to drop off your illegal late emergency Save Biden ballots. Or you go to the ward your buddy the poll worker is running the log in book to same day register all your imaginary friends.
Speaking of the imaginary vote, this one is actually hilarious. Democrats are quick to say all votes must count, which apparently includes people who are 118 years old. https://twitter.com/fleccas/status/1324216584219623424?s=21&fbclid=IwAR2rMt9iguDDYq_6H1FTQtMGekNEiTRRUNVsXN9xiEGvxS8z2VhHLJwo6-s
All those little fraud schemes come in from various directions, except the fraud numbers add up quick in a tight race. However, if you are behind by hundreds of thousands of votes in the middle of the night it requires some audacious level fuckery, which brings us to a red flag you can see from space. The 4 AM Biden Miracle. Here is an account from somebody at the counting center. https://www.facebook.com/iamconniejohnson/videos/10225096326823289
This is the third link I’ve had to pull for this one, because Facebook keeps killing the others. Listen to the whole thing. Because after the statistically impossible votes came in, they had to toss a bunch of the GOP judges out of the building because of Covid.
Remember what I said about collusion? If you’ve got the actual system with the controls on your side, you can basically do any outlandish bullshit you feel like, and the only way you are going to get stopped is by an outside power (hence the multitude of lawsuits we’re going to see over the next few days).
Another thing you learn to spot when people are fraudulently manipulating data, is the mission-oriented spikes. On this one I’ve seen a few links, but the data has been so in flux that I’ve not been able to confirm it, but supposedly a bunch of the sudden Biden spikes weren’t just statistically improbable, they also voted for president but not the down ballot races. Now, lots of people will vote for president but don’t care about down ballot. However, when you get a pile of those in a row, that suggests somebody in a hurry filling out the mission critical bubble and then moving down stack, assembly line style.
There was also video taken of one guy delivering these mystery ballots to the counting center in the middle of the night (unloading them from a white van into a little red wagon) the link I used yesterday had been deleted by YouTube but I found this new one (can’t stop the signal, Mal) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yh7h3w75D8U&feature=youtu.be
Gee whiz. I can’t imagine why mysterious boxes are being moved into this supposedly secure voting facility in the middle of the night with no observers or chain of custody.
And there’s more. They just keep coming. Yesterday morning I saw a small article about a republican official calling shenanigans on the voting in his small county, which went overwhelmingly Trump last time, and how it appeared the votes tallied weren’t even enough to account for his immediate family. Of course he got laughed at by caring liberals. Fast forward a few hours and it turns out that the voting program was faulty. https://www.westernjournal.com/election-program-issue-tallied-2-votes-gop-candidate-33-mi-counties-thought-using-software/
Worse, the same broken ass software was apparently used in 33 other counties. Hmmm… Again, with all these magical errors in these swing states all going in one side’s favor.
Then there’s SharpieGate, but I’ve heard so much conflicting stuff about that one, with sharpies actually working fine in the scantron machines, that I’m not putting much stock in that one yet. There’s a lawsuit already though, so it’ll be interesting to see what new information comes out.
Here’s another thing you learn about auditing. The more chaotic the system, the more chances for fraud. So when you come across a system that is extra chaotic on purpose, that tells you that the people running it want it that way for a reason.
And the flags just keep coming in. This is going to be way worse than Florida in 2000.
What happens now? Beats me. It goes to court, and then the real question becomes how much spine the republicans have to actually fight. In previous years I’d assume they’d be a bunch of spineless chickenshits and wimp out like usual, but I’m not so sure this time. I don’t know if or how any of these will pan out, and without access to the real data, all I can do is guess.
I can say without hesitation though, that fuckery is afoot, and if an actual real investigation happens they’ll be able to prove it. Only this is politics, so who knows. The only thing I do know for certain is that this election is so fucked up it is just going to make America’s two halves hate each other even more.
Even though I do not agree with some of the posters here, it is good to see that they are still allowed to have their opinion heard.
Why aren't there any calls to contest the states that Trump won?
If people cared about the integrity of the elections in any real way, they'd be questioning everything.
Even though I do not agree with some of the posters here, it is good to see that they are still allowed to have their opinion heard.
It is. Even though I think some opinions are silly here, I get it. People are super frustrated. This is a good place to get those frustrations out.
If you think the Democrats rigged the election, please answer these simple questions:
1) Why did they rig it to be so close
2) Why didn't they rig the senate at the same time
3) Why did they rig it so Republicans gained seats in the house
No, don't discourage them! This is getting deliciously absurd and I'd like to see how far down the rabbit hole these doofuses will go.
If you think the Democrats rigged the election, please answer these simple questions:
1) Why did they rig it to be so close
2) Why didn't they rig the senate at the same time
3) Why did they rig it so Republicans gained seats in the house
Let me preface this with I didn’t vote for president this time or in 2016. Why? Because it doesn’t fucking matter. If you are in the middle class your life will continue to decline no matter who the president is. From the outside looking in I see a serious problem with political views in this country. It’s “because A is corrupt B is not” “A is fake news so B is real”. “A lies so B is honest”. So forth and so on. From my perspective if Trump loses it’s because he’s a clown and people don’t like clowns.
If you think the Democrats rigged the election, please answer these simple questions:
1) Why did they rig it to be so close
2) Why didn't they rig the senate at the same time
3) Why did they rig it so Republicans gained seats in the house
If you think that's how election rigging works, please answer these simple questions:
1) Why didn't they rig it to be 100%?
2) Why didn't they rig it to make every single Senator a Democrat?
3) Why didn't they win every single seat in the House?
It's almost like they can only tamper with a few ballots at a time without getting caught red-handed and there's more than 300 MILLION people in the US, almost half of which voted, so they can't flip 100% every single vote.
If you think the Democrats rigged the election, please answer these simple questions:
1) Why did they rig it to be so close
2) Why didn't they rig the senate at the same time
3) Why did they rig it so Republicans gained seats in the house
If you think that's how election rigging works, please answer these simple questions:
1) Why didn't they rig it to be 100%?
2) Why didn't they rig it to make every single Senator a Democrat?
3) Why didn't they win every single seat in the House?
It's almost like they can only tamper with a few ballots at a time without getting caught red-handed and there's more than 300 MILLION people in the US, almost half of which voted, so they can't flip 100% every single vote.
No, don't discourage them! This is getting deliciously absurd and I'd like to see how far down the rabbit hole these doofuses will go.
Oh look it's the shit monkey who barely posts here and crawled out of his rock to do a drive by Trolling attempt and throw shit all over the place.
Interestingly enough, it's the poor showing by leftists for the House and Senate that's setting off MORE red flags.
It's well known the Never-Trumper movement is miniscule. Thus, it's not logical to see Republicans win while Trump loses. It's even more illogical that the epic Blue Tsunami for Dementia JoJo that eclipsed Holy Obama's vote count somehow didn't sweep leftists into the House and Senate.
Moreover, the presence of such an anomaly warrants a review of ballots, especially those where the only vote is for President.
ACB will certainly earn her own "Notorious" moniker after this debacle.
Perhaps the thing I most appreciate is that my innocuous little posts are getting reported to the moderators at a brisk pace.
Bwahahahahaha it's not fucking "well known" at all.
If you think the Democrats rigged the election, please answer these simple questions:
1) Why did they rig it to be so close
2) Why didn't they rig the senate at the same time
3) Why did they rig it so Republicans gained seats in the house
If you think that's how election rigging works, please answer these simple questions:
1) Why didn't they rig it to be 100%?
2) Why didn't they rig it to make every single Senator a Democrat?
3) Why didn't they win every single seat in the House?
It's almost like they can only tamper with a few ballots at a time without getting caught red-handed and there's more than 300 MILLION people in the US, almost half of which voted, so they can't flip 100% every single vote.
This is the right wing mind distilled: The enemy left are utterly corrupt and omnipotent (cheating anywhere they like at will, even where they don't need it) but completely incompetent and ineffectual at the same time (oops, forgot to steal even one senate seat of those that the polling said favored the Democratic candidate; can steal a presidential race in a state by hundreds of thousands of votes but are too chicken to cheat on a few thousand in a Senate race). The heroic right wing is of course simultaneously an overwhelming majority and an oppressed minority.
You caught me! Honestly, this place is such a cesspool that I do hardly come here anymore, but I knew it would be a great place to harvest right wing tears. Perhaps the thing I most appreciate is that my innocuous little posts are getting reported to the moderators at a brisk pace. When did the hard core right on this forum turn into a bunch of tattle tales? It is like the incel version of TBP.
What would that button even do on this forum?
Maybe it's a dinner bell for RPGPundit to unleash some LOLZ?
We don't ban people for being leftist retards. This is a free speech forum. This is not a "right wing" forum. YOU and the rest of the way-too-soon gloating clowns are 1000% welcome to post here as much as you want.
And lurkers, please cause some crosss-forum drama with Tangency. Maybe some tasty Twitter screeds since you can't meme. Make sure you babble out some great quotes and maybe RPGPundit will make you "famous" on his podcast.
Oh an actual "it's well known" claim.
Bwahahahahaha it's not fucking "well known" at all.
If this election were fixed, this would not have happened:
https://theweek.com/articles/947824/left-just-got-crushed
We're firmly in absurd lunatic sore loser conspiracy theory land right now with you guys. I saw far left loonies do this when W. Bush won on DemocraticUnderground years ago. You guys are making the identical ridiculous arguments that they did back then.
Greetings!
No "Right Wing Tears" necessary. I just ordered a new woodsman's tomahawk, 1,000 rounds of ammunition for my AR-15, and another 500 rounds for my Glock 45. I'm content up in the high mountains and forests here, where people are sane, god-fearing, and patriots that love *Traditional* America.
All the cock-sucking, blue-haired, pierced, tatted up gender-fluid Marxist fucks can dance a jig and choke on shit.
Semper Fidelis,
SHARK
You need an independent electoral commission like we have in Oz, Jeff. It should be run by people who genuinely do not give a shit either way.How did you manage that? The "non-partisan" equivalents in the US are 100% partisan, just typically carefully balanced to be 50% partisan red and 50% partisan blue, completely locking out third parties, the disinterested, and independents. That results in hyper-partisan exclusionary shit like primary elections and gerrymandering commissions.
It should be run by people who genuinely do not give a shit either way.It shouldn't be too hard to find people like that in America. Now to just whip them up into a apathetic frenzy.
It should be run by people who genuinely do not give a shit either way.It shouldn't be too hard to find people like that in America. Now to just whip them up into a apathetic frenzy.
How did you manage that?You appoint the head of the electoral commission (https://aec.gov.au/About_AEC/) for five years, renewable for further five year terms. They do not serve at the pleasure of the government of the day.
This is less a serious proposal, and more a thought experiment -Speaking of which, the scifi authour Karl Gallagher had a world where they had an auctionocracy - individuals or groups would do secret bidding for seats in parliament, and the funds from the winning bids were the planet's budget that year. Corporations, unions, lobby groups or whoever could bid as they saw fit. Instead of fighting corruption and bribery, make it part of the system, and use the funds for the public good! It's an intriguing idea :)
I'll have to think about the implications. But thanks for posting it.How did you manage that?You ...
Fascinating stuff on Twitter tonight. Apparently somebody gathered a giant list of dead people for Wisconsin and Michigan, and crowd sourced a hunt through the voting records to see how many dead people registered and voted. And then people began to plug them into the state websites. Many were registered but didn’t vote, but many others did vote in 2020. (Joe Biden is so popular that even being dead can’t stop the Joementum!)
When people found dead voters they would post the names and birth dates (many of them 100 years ago) so that others could confirm them for themselves. Now I’m not saying these are all accurate and I have no idea how many there will be, but you can check those yourselves. It’s darkly hilarious.
Yet while I watched this, Twitter kept deleting the accounts sharing the file list. They’d block somebody, and then ten minutes later someone else would share it and get blocked too. In the half an hour or so I scrolled through dead voters the people sharing the list kept vanishing. It was kind of amazing to watch real time. But one would get blocked and somebody else would take their place.
If the thing that saves America from turning into a cyberpunk dystopia run by ruthless tech oligarchs... is 4chan... I’m gonna laugh because I truly did not see that coming. 😀
Really interesting though, liberals jumping in and saying “oh yeah! So what it ten thousand dead people voted in Detroit, that’s not enough! Biden still wins!” Because obviously these particular dead people are the only fraud and everything else is squeaky clean.
Sure, in every other aspect of life we recognize that humans regularly lie, cheat, and steal and we prepare accordingly. But if you suggest there is voter fraud liberals get all HOW DARE YOU INSULT THE SANCTITY OF OUR PURE ELECTIONS?!? and then the GOP is such chickenshits they agree with that and say sure, keep that box of ballots you found behind the TacoBell after the polls close that are just enough to beat us, because we’d hate to lose undignified.
Meanwhile the DNC is gleefully having 120 year olds vote in Detroit. And liberals are all like, that’s perfectly normal and not at all suspicious HOW DARE YOU FASCIST VOTER SUPPRESSION.
Most of the people who argued with me today, the excuse making and gas lighting was just pathetic. I would respect these people a lot more if they were just honest and said they are cool with voter fraud because it helps their team.
One problem with the version of ranked voting you're describing is a lot of people think the candidate with the most public support should win, not someone who gets the edge because they're the second choice.Sure, but if you have 10 candidates, 9 of them get 9.9% of the vote and 1 of them gets get 10.9%, is that really the candidate with the "most support"? Technically, yes, but... many people might say, "If I'd known my guy wasn't getting in, and losing just by 1%... I wouldn't have voted for that guy..."
I don't think you could get compulsory voting happening in the US. But you could get preferential voting, and some independent electoral commissions.I've been doubtful about a positive effect of compulsory voting, but I see some merit in your point that it would reduce the urge to make up partisan stories of doom to get people to the polls - so it could reduce the partisan divide. I agree that it likely won't happen in the U.S. But I do see a future in ranked choice voting - which has been implemented in Maine at present.
Just think: with preferential voting, the Libertarian Party would determine the current US Presidential election :D That's one way to move the Overton Window!
I can tell you all - where I come from, the dead always come out to vote. 2018, it was a by a margin of 1.102:1.00 meaning, twice as many people voted as there are legally registered voters. And, it's a sanctuary city. And we've had the same mayor for over 23 years. Last person to run against him was FORCED out of town. As was most of our old retired police officers AND veterans. Isn't much to do except wait to see if they do to me what they did to the last guy to try and expose them. I always wanted to meet the death squads of the USA. I wonder how many of them were former Delta...)So, what city is this? Can you give some names or sources for this happening?
Again, Larry Correia reporting live from the front lines:QuoteFascinating stuff on Twitter tonight. Apparently somebody gathered a giant list of dead people for Wisconsin and Michigan, and crowd sourced a hunt through the voting records to see how many dead people registered and voted. And then people began to plug them into the state websites. Many were registered but didn’t vote, but many others did vote in 2020. (Joe Biden is so popular that even being dead can’t stop the Joementum!)
When people found dead voters they would post the names and birth dates (many of them 100 years ago) so that others could confirm them for themselves. Now I’m not saying these are all accurate and I have no idea how many there will be, but you can check those yourselves.
Sorry, you may have forgotten, but in the United States the people do NOT vote for candidates DIRECTLY. They vote for the states' ELECTORS. So, everything you just said would never work. It would just lead to even GREATER FRAUD! We are a REPUBLIC, not a democracy:One problem with the version of ranked voting you're describing is a lot of people think the candidate with the most public support should win, not someone who gets the edge because they're the second choice.Sure, but if you have 10 candidates, 9 of them get 9.9% of the vote and 1 of them gets get 10.9%, is that really the candidate with the "most support"? Technically, yes, but... many people might say, "If I'd known my guy wasn't getting in, and losing just by 1%... I wouldn't have voted for that guy..."
You can think of preferential as rounds of voting where the lowest-placed person is excluded - but only the people who voted for that person get to vote again. Many countries do rounds of voting, especially for Presidential positions, but of course with a secret ballot everyone gets a second, third, etc vote, not just those who voted for the loser. Preferential voting allows those who voted for the least-popular candidate to still have a say without compromising the secrecy of the ballot. "Okay, if you can't have this guy, who would you choose?"
As I said, preferential voting reduces polarisation because the major parties have to take on some of the policies of the minor parties to get their support. In the US, the Democrats would probably take on more Green policies, and the Republicans more Libertarian policies, but each would at least try to not completely alienate those minor parties. Parties would be less polarised, and more inclusive of "middle of the road" policies.
As well, with first-past-the-post, the support for minor parties will always be small. Since they've no chance of getting in, their support will be limited to the idealistic or extremely disillusioned. "Yeah he won't get in, but fuck you." With preferential voting you still have your 2nd, etc choice, which allows you to say, "Fuck you, but -" And so we find in Australia that third party votes hover between 10-25% of the primary vote overall. The amount varies - if it's 10% the major parties tend to ignore them, but because they ignore them their support gradually increases to 25% or so, and 1-2 even get into some parliaments (our state parliament has 3 Greens and 3 independents out of 88 lower house members), and then they start listening again - but by this time those minor parties are better-established, so... again, less polarisation.
With less polarisation, there would be less motivation for electoral fraud, and at the same time less motivation for alleging electoral fraud.
Twelfth Amendment
The Electors shall meet in their respective states, and vote by ballot for President and Vice-President, one of whom, at least, shall not be an inhabitant of the same state with themselves; they shall name in their ballots the person voted for as President, and in distinct ballots the person voted for as Vice-President, and they shall make distinct lists of all persons voted for as President, and of all persons voted for as Vice-President, and of the number of votes for each, which lists they shall sign and certify, and transmit sealed to the seat of the government of the United States, directed to the President of the Senate; The President of the Senate shall, in the presence of the Senate and House of Representatives, open all the certificates and the votes shall then be counted;--The person having the greatest number of votes for President, shall be the President, if such number be a majority of the whole number of Electors appointed; and if no person have such majority, then from the persons having the highest numbers not exceeding three on the list of those voted for as President, the House of Representatives shall choose immediately, by ballot, the President.
consolcwby, the winner is ultimately determined by the states' electors, but people still vote for a specific presidential candidate. When you vote, you see that the choices listed on your ballot for president are not electors, but rather candidates for president - including independent and third-party candidates. Voters can even put on write-in candidates. The electors might not follow the popular vote - but people's votes are still for the actual candidates, not which electors get to vote.As I said, preferential voting reduces polarisation because the major parties have to take on some of the policies of the minor parties to get their support. In the US, the Democrats would probably take on more Green policies, and the Republicans more Libertarian policies, but each would at least try to not completely alienate those minor parties. Parties would be less polarised, and more inclusive of "middle of the road" policies.Sorry, you may have forgotten, but in the United States the people do NOT vote for candidates DIRECTLY. They vote for the states' ELECTORS. So, everything you just said would never work. It would just lead to even GREATER FRAUD! We are a REPUBLIC, not a democracy:
https://www.archives.gov/electoral-college/provisions
I'm not quite clear on how independent election commissions get instituted, but I agree it seems like a good idea. I get that they have an independent budget so they're not dependent on the legislative branch, but how do members get appointed?Officially the Commissioner and deputies etc (https://www.aec.gov.au/About_AEC/structure.htm) are appointed by the Governor General, but "with the advice of" the federal Cabinet. It's commonly a former justice, senior cop, that sort of person, sometimes military. In other words, you make one institution impartial by topping it up with people from other impartial institutions.
I think there's a certain foresight in it, rather than integrity. We know from the history of Queensland which engaged in insane gerrymandering so that the boss could get in with 20% of the vote - still eventually he got knocked over, and then things were cleaned up. So if your party fucks with things it eventually comes back to bite you, and the other guys may turn it around and fuck you badly, too. Political mutually assured destruction.That sounds like it's more about culture/traditions, than the institutions themselves. Which wouldn't work in the US right now, because the two parties keep launching waves of mutually assured destruction. One of them was even called the "nuclear option", back when it was triggered -- that was the 2011 change by Harry Reid (D), which got rid of procedural rules in the Senate that allowed the minority party to hold up appointments and bills, and thus forced some degree of comity or consensus. Which recently bit the Democrats in the ass, because it's that rule change that allowed the Republicans to push through the Supreme Court nomination of Amy Coney Barrett without any Democratic support. And it's only escalating, for example with all the talk about court-packing.
Now this was interesting, even 28% of LGBT/etc voted for old Drumf.One of the biggest takeaways in this election is Trump was up in almost every demographic, except white men. He did better among LGBT+ voters, among women voters, among black voters, and among hispanic voters -- Zapata County in Texas flipped from 66% voting for Hillary in 2016 to almost the same number voting for Trump, this year. Overall, the Rio Grande Valley shifted 10 points toward Trump. Similar gains among hispanics in southern Florida, and not just among those of Cuban descent. That helps explain why the Republicans are gaining seats in the House and holding steady in the Senate -- even if Biden ends up winning, it was Trump not Biden who helped the candidates down the ticket.
https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/11/03/us/elections/exit-polls-president.html
There is so much rampant fraud going on right now that the only way you could possibly believe otherwise is if you're a fucking moron or so mesmerized by the left that you think they couldn't possibly cheat because they're paragons of virtue (go back to "fucking moron" comment).
Trump is litigating this bullshit, so hopefully there are massive recounts and all these fake ballots thrown out. If not, bring on the boogaloo.
So he says you can check them for yourselves - but there isn't any specific information included to check. There's just the claim that "Someone said it on Twitter" - which I don't consider to be proof of anything.
It is kind of amazing how the same dishonest shitheads who kept repeating debunked things like the Very Fine People narrative for four years, can now dismiss giant articles chronicling 10 examples of potential voter fraud because one of them kinda gets a plausible explanation several hours after I wrote the article. Ergo, the other 9 cease to exist and HOW DARE YOU INSINUATE THAT HUMAN BEINGS EVER DO ANYTHING DISHONEST!
It's amazing how that works.
After a few days of debating this I'm pretty sure that everybody believes fraud happened. Only one side has to ignore human nature and history to pretend that fraud couldn't possibly have happened. Except they know it too. They just don't want to come out and admit they're okay with fraud because of team sports.
Ironically, these are the same people who are so fundamentally dishonest that they'll believe anything about the other team, regardless of how little evidence there is.
I've noticed that most of my liberal friends who I consider to be honest people with integrity haven't said much on this subject. They'll be glad if Trump is gone because that benefits their interests, and that's fine. I respect that. However I'm not seeing any of them comment on the process, because this clusterfuck of an election is pretty much indefensible.
But the dishonest little shits? Oh man. It can practically rain statistical miracles and they'll look you in the eye and claim that's totally normal.
You left out a third option: fellow traveler of the perpetrators and intentionally trying to gaslight as many people as possible.
I'll let him answer this one.
So he says you can check them for yourselves - but there isn't any specific information included to check. There's just the claim that "Someone said it on Twitter" - which I don't consider to be proof of anything.I'll let him answer this one.
Again folks, Larry Correia.QuoteIt is kind of amazing how the same dishonest shitheads who kept repeating debunked things like the Very Fine People narrative for four years, can now dismiss giant articles chronicling 10 examples of potential voter fraud because one of them kinda gets a plausible explanation several hours after I wrote the article. Ergo, the other 9 cease to exist and HOW DARE YOU INSINUATE THAT HUMAN BEINGS EVER DO ANYTHING DISHONEST!
It's amazing how that works.
After a few days of debating this I'm pretty sure that everybody believes fraud happened. Only one side has to ignore human nature and history to pretend that fraud couldn't possibly have happened. Except they know it too. They just don't want to come out and admit they're okay with fraud because of team sports.
Ironically, these are the same people who are so fundamentally dishonest that they'll believe anything about the other team, regardless of how little evidence there is.
I've noticed that most of my liberal friends who I consider to be honest people with integrity haven't said much on this subject. They'll be glad if Trump is gone because that benefits their interests, and that's fine. I respect that. However I'm not seeing any of them comment on the process, because this clusterfuck of an election is pretty much indefensible.
But the dishonest little shits? Oh man. It can practically rain statistical miracles and they'll look you in the eye and claim that's totally normal.
A good statistical breakdown of the registration and voting numbers which are just a few reasons why people are saying that there is rampant fraud going on.Thanks, jeff. This is at least some specific claims. However, from the article, Hounsell at least gives specific states and numbers, but he doesn't explain the sources for those numbers. He says he's using adjusted polling data - but polls vary in their numbers and reliability. For example, here is his first claim.
https://redstate.com/scotthounsell/2020/11/05/excuse-me-while-i-call-bs-n275572?fbclid=IwAR0YBBaMD2MlfMCl8C0teK2BzFfsDmgHGNAr7pX-fdkOAikQBzporVVwN8M
In all of the polling data (*when adjusted), it told us Trump was going to win by larger margins among minority voters. The numbers literally don’t lie. In North Carolina, Democrats lost 161,000 voters since 2016 while Republicans gained 72,000 voters. You want us to believe that Republicans, who have registered as such since the Trump era, walked into the voting booth on Election day and pulled the trigger for Biden? In that state, Trump currently leads by 77,000 votes, in a state Trump won by 173,000 votes in 2016, and that Republicans picked up a 230k voter margin since? I call BS.
Looks like reality is starting to sink in. Fox News is starting to admit Biden won. Rush Limbaugh admits Biden won. Internals from the Trump administration are saying the hard evidence of fraud is "not looking good" and their legal challenges are no longer looking promising as even their best case scenarios are not adding up to enough votes to change the result of the election. Their dusting off plans for Trump to start his own television news network. Quotes of "there will be a peaceful transition of power" from Trump officials.
The libs are singing victory too soon, and vice versa for conservatives.
Look, the margins are razor thin in Arizona, Georgia and Pennsylvania. Arizona is probably going to flip to the president; that's the trend. With the others, who knows. A lot of the incoming ballots are from the military and most of those historically go for the president.
It's a hotly contested election, as we all should've known it would be. The Bernie fans didn't stay home this time even though Biden sucks, so you had to account for that. Even with that, nothing is sure for Biden.
It's a rough scrap, and I still think Trump will surprise everyone.
Bwahahahahaha it's not fucking "well known" at all.
Pew Research - Trump had 87% approval among Republicans in August 2020
https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2020/08/24/trumps-approval-ratings-so-far-are-unusually-stable-and-deeply-partisan/ (https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2020/08/24/trumps-approval-ratings-so-far-are-unusually-stable-and-deeply-partisan/)
Also, you're proving my point about the anomaly. How is Biden both the MOST POPULAR candidate for President in history yet unable to win down ticket races for his party?
Trump's platform was never particularly "conservative" anyway in my view.
All you have is FUD anymore. Starting to admit is not the act of admitting.
FUD and MSM lies is how Biden will "win" the election, not through any actual sort of legitimate vote count. Trump has enough litigation going now that this thing is going to drag out and probably be decided by the Supreme Court. Anyone who says otherwise is just drinking the Kool-Aid.Well, at least that's a concrete prediction that will be confirmed or not within a month or so. It's possible that something related to the election will reach the Supreme Court, but I don't foresee a case like Florida in 2000 where the Supreme Court decides on the election result. I'm fine to wait and see what happens.
I particularly like how the MSM is trying to gaslight everyone into thinking it's all over, and there are no open investigations into voter fraud. Almost like they're complicit...
Debunked by Polifact and Snopes. Someone was comparing 2020 vote totals to 2018 registration; the total registered before the 2020 election was higher than the votes, and Wisconsin allows registration at the polling place.Even using the "reported" numbers, that's still like a 90% turnout...which is fucking ludicrous if you know anything about elections.
Brad, I think you may be confusing turnout among *eligible* voters and turnout among *registered* voters. For example, in 2016, there were 157 million registered voters and 137 million votes. That's 87%. An individual swing state with 90% is not at all ludicrous.
The more commonly reported number is turnout among *eligible* voters. For example, nationally there were 231 million eligible voters in 2016, which is a turnout of 59%. A turnout of 90% among *eligible* voters would be suspicious, I agree. But that's not the case here.
All you have is FUD anymore. Starting to admit is not the act of admitting.
FUD and MSM lies is how Biden will "win" the election, not through any actual sort of legitimate vote count. Trump has enough litigation going now that this thing is going to drag out and probably be decided by the Supreme Court. Anyone who says otherwise is just drinking the Kool-Aid.
I particularly like how the MSM is trying to gaslight everyone into thinking it's all over, and there are no open investigations into voter fraud. Almost like they're complicit...
Some outlets are calling this for Biden. It looks like there was some fuckery in PA. Let’s see if Biden wins GA, AZ or NV. At that point Trump really has nothing.
The problem is the "allegations of fuckery in Pennsylvania" are over less than a couple thousand votes. Biden's margin is so much larger than that in Pennsylvania that they're like Bob Dornan's old claims of fraud in the election he lost. They will get a "So...you think you lost by slightly less than you lost by?"I’m not saying it really makes any difference but some of the actions in PA looked like a resistance to transparency. Fueling the tin foil hattery we’ve been hearing.
Greetings!
It is boggling to think this country will swallow the fucking Marxists defrauding the election to gain power and overthrow our Republic. Biden and Kamala? The idea that this election would be close is absurd.
The country wants to be on their knees and plough-fucked in the ass by Marxism, and have their guns taken away so they can be defenseless sheep, sucking down more globalist, cock-sucking Liberal jello.
Fucking pathetic.
This country had better wake the fuck up and fight against the goddamned Marxist takeover of our nation or we are fucked into oblivion. Fuck all the whiny, cock-sucking Liberal Marxist sheep. There won't be another election, for all the mushy middle "reasonable" sheep. If the country can't keep a ticket like Biden and Harris from siezing power, what fucking hope would the country have against an actually stronger, slicker, more competent, and glossier Marxist ticket, like, oh, AOC? This country is going to fucking burn. This is the 11th hour, and the barbarians are at te gates. America is on the edge of plunging into the abyss.
Semper Fidelis,
SHARK
I recognize a marxist when I see one. My brother is a marxist.
I've watched Biden as a Senator, and his campaigns for President, all my life. Biden is no marxist. Biden is a bog-standard pro-union Democrat. He isn't a social justice warrior and barely tolerates that wing of his party. He isn't a marxist and barely tolerates the AOC's of his party. Biden isn't a barbarian at the gate - he's the same bog standard Democrat that has run for President for your entire adult life.
But it's the internet. And so hyperbole reigns supreme. So we get allegations of the world ending. And in four years when the world has not ended and there is another election, I am sure you and others will again make the claim that the world is about to end if he wins reelection. Despite the fact that nothing much happened for the four prior years with Biden as President which would suggest the world would end.
I recognize a marxist when I see one. My brother is a marxist.
I've watched Biden as a Senator, and his campaigns for President, all my life. Biden is no marxist. Biden is a bog-standard pro-union Democrat. He isn't a social justice warrior and barely tolerates that wing of his party. He isn't a marxist and barely tolerates the AOC's of his party. Biden isn't a barbarian at the gate - he's the same bog standard Democrat that has run for President for your entire adult life.
But it's the internet. And so hyperbole reigns supreme. So we get allegations of the world ending. And in four years when the world has not ended and there is another election, I am sure you and others will again make the claim that the world is about to end if he wins reelection. Despite the fact that nothing much happened for the four prior years with Biden as President which would suggest the world would end.
EDIT: To your second point most people don't get the difference between the two. My dad's an old school card carrying Trotskyite whereas my cousin is a graduate in Critical Theory. They both think each other's politics is crap but from my point of view they both look the same just with Class versus Race as the dividing line.
Yup. It is amazing how unhinged conservatives get with their fear of Marxism, seeing it even in the most corporate/liberal/warhawkish politicians like Biden.
People also don't understand the difference between Marxist ideas as they pertain to economics, and wokist ideology, which is a more recent development.
Marxist, or not he is a paid shill for China. Lives will be ruined because of Biden which that would had been prevented if they just stuck to Trump.
It's not about Biden being a Marxist. He's pretty clearly your standard Kleptocrat. The issue is the struggle going on in the Democrat party between the actual Marxists and the Centrists. See the freakout in the caucus call for an example of that. We just don't know who's going to be pulling Biden's strings right now because he's pretty clearly not all there anymore.
Honestly a strong move back to Corporatist pillaging and neo-feudalism is not such a great path either.
Some anonymous video from a nobody constitutes proof now? How is that any better than being put on trial on mere allegations of sexual misconduct? LOL
once again proving y'all just another side of the same hysterical coin.
Also, "a 'whistleblower' familiar with the matter overheard a conversation that someone else had that implicates Trump in something!" = 100% PROOF
An actual whistleblower on camera = nothingburger
sorry, shills, this isn't going to be over anytime soon.Thank goodness for that; way too many comedies die off too quickly.
Marxist, or not he is a paid shill for China. Lives will be ruined because of Biden which that would had been prevented if they just stuck to Trump.
I agree that Biden isn't a Marxist, but he certainly is a paid crony for China, that's indisputable by anyone who isn't a fucking moron but we've already seen how many there are posting in this thread, so whatever. I doubt Biden even knows his own name half the time at this point, he's just a vessel to install the actual Marxists, aka AOC, Harris, etc.
That said, I find it amusing that no matter how many incidences of fraud are shown, the goalposts move further and further away...sorry, shills, this isn't going to be over anytime soon.
So now Michigan GOP chair and chair of the FEC are "anonymous people".
And even more evidence of fraud.....
https://twitter.com/robbystarbuck/status/1324783531139235841?fbclid=IwAR12FUZ3CUSi2ok-jNRl4tqFFDSue1lsR1MuEnkSImAdLUz7fr22QHwT5X8
And even more evidence of fraud.....
https://twitter.com/robbystarbuck/status/1324783531139235841?fbclid=IwAR12FUZ3CUSi2ok-jNRl4tqFFDSue1lsR1MuEnkSImAdLUz7fr22QHwT5X8
Already posted that link, but it's only 6k votes or something, not enough to actually change the outcome so it doesn't count.
LOL, like there are no cases of Republican election fraud ever. Please bitch.
https://www.inquirer.com/news/voter-fraud-philadelphia-ward-leader-judge-of-elections-domenick-demuro-guilty-plea-20200521.html
From May...SURELY this wouldn't happen again!
And even more evidence of fraud.....
https://twitter.com/robbystarbuck/status/1324783531139235841?fbclid=IwAR12FUZ3CUSi2ok-jNRl4tqFFDSue1lsR1MuEnkSImAdLUz7fr22QHwT5X8
Already posted that link, but it's only 6k votes or something, not enough to actually change the outcome so it doesn't count.
It counts as an allegation of fraud. It does not count as an allegation of fraud in quantities sufficient to change the result of the election. That's the difference. That's what you need to show: not fraud, but enough fraud to have Trump be the winner. That evidence does not appear to exist. This is math, not emotions.
Right. I would like to not lose my life savings if I develop a serious illness. We are there with only a few industrialized nations that don’t have a fair medical system. Nobody with a brain is asking for all that other commie shit.
LOL, like there are no cases of Republican election fraud ever. Please bitch.
The Russians only get a chance to earn their sweet election fraud money every four years, dont take this away from them!
The Russians only get a chance to earn their sweet election fraud money every four years, dont take this away from them!
We're WAY past Russians. Apparently they decided not to commit any fraud in this election and, in fact, this is the least fraudulent election in history. How dare you!
So hang on, the Russians helped Trump to win last time and this time he asked them to stand back and stand by?
:-
But it is an INSIDER. It says so. And best of all, it is Project Veritas. How legit can you get?
But it is an INSIDER. It says so. And best of all, it is Project Veritas. How legit can you get?
You do you know that Veritas is backed up by the courts? Seriously they won all of their court cases.
But it is an INSIDER. It says so. And best of all, it is Project Veritas. How legit can you get?
You do you know that Veritas is backed up by the courts? Seriously they won all of their court cases.
Good point actually. Having seen some interviews with them, PV seems to be a pretty legit operation. Their "deceptively edited videos" seem lees deceptive than those of the mainstream media.
One county in Michigan flipped 5500 votes?
47 other counties use the same software?
47*5000=A lot more than Trump lost by.
Time to recount Michigan and verify the machine glitch and the Post Office Investigation before anyone calls anything. There’s a chance the Post Office thing was local, but with three other states showing the “Michigan Pattern” it’s worth looking into.
One county in Michigan flipped 5500 votes?I agree that it's worth looking into possible problems in the software after the Antrim county results. However, as far as I can see, no one has claimed that this was fraud. Antrim is a Republican-dominated county with conservative officials, and the Republican officials say it was an error. In general, I agree things should be investigated. And yes, if every county had the same error with the same effect, then it would make a difference. But this was an error that was found and caught.
47 other counties use the same software?
47*5000=A lot more than Trump lost by.
Time to recount Michigan and verify the machine glitch and the Post Office Investigation before anyone calls anything. There’s a chance the Post Office thing was local, but with three other states showing the “Michigan Pattern” it’s worth looking into.
A failure to update software was the reason for a computer glitch that caused massive errors in unofficial election results reported from Antrim county, the Michigan Department of State said late Friday.
"The erroneous reporting of unofficial results from Antrim county was a result of accidental error on the part of the Antrim County clerk," the state agency that oversees elections said in a news release.
There was no problem with the voting machines or vote totals, which were preserved on tapes printed from the tabulators, the state said. The problem occurred when the totals by precinct were combined into candidate county-wide totals for transfer to the state, using election management system software, the state agency said in a news release.
"All ballots were properly tabulated. However, the clerk accidentally did not update the software used to collect voting machine data and report unofficial results."
State officials did not immediately respond to questions about whether they track when and how local officials update their election-related software or whether local officials are required to report needed updates to the state, once they are completed.
But they said any such errors in any county would be caught during the canvassing process, before results are declared official, when boards composed of two Democrats and two Republicans compare the numbers on the tapes printed from the tabulators to the unofficial results that were reported to the state.
One of the biggest takeaways in this election is Trump was up in almost every demographic, except white men. He did better among LGBT+ voters, among women voters, among black voters, and among hispanic votersYeah, it's interesting. Will the Republican party gradually move to becoming the party of the diverse working class? Well, the Democrats were once the party of segregation, so why not...
Oh yeah Project Veritas depends on their reliability...like literally the complete fraud they posted JUST LAST MONTH. Dumbasses.You quoted the New York Times and Media Matters! HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAA! I take it you're quite the troll here! I honestly LOL'd! Good job! Keep it up!
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/09/29/us/politics/project-veritas-ilhan-omar.html
The short of it, Project Veritas was taken in by a totally fraudulent claim in a video in September. Liban Osman, subject of Project Veritas alleged voter fraud story, tells @LydenFOX9 he was offered $10K by Omar Jamal to say he was collecting ballots for Congresswoman @IlhanMN.
So yeah, not a good source to be claiming they are a shining example of truthfulness and credibility.
The "dead people voted in Pennsylvania" stuff is fraudulent claim too:
https://www.nytimes.com/live/2020/2020-election-misinformation-distortions
Finally, the Project Veritas Michigan "postage backdating" claim was debunked the same day it came out (the date on the envelope is irrelevant to whether or not it is counted since it had to physically be there on time to be counted):
https://www.mediamatters.org/sinclair-broadcast-group/sinclair-broadcast-group-spreads-debunked-project-veritas-disinformation
I seriously hate sore losers. I hated it when Democrats did it in 2000 and then in 2004 again, and I hate it now that Republicans are doing it in 2020. Same bullshit, different tribe.
Greetings!Don't blame the people for being oblivious. Most do not understand what Pychological Warfare looks like, or sounds like. All they know, all they've ever known, is what they have been told. As you can see from the bullshit I've taken (if you paid attention), then you should know that ANYONE who questions them or even PROVES THEM WRONG is immediately issued insults, attempts are made to discredit them, and are essentially told to prove themselves by those who wish them harm. "SHUT UP! I'm smarter than you. SHUT UP! I'm faster than you. SHUT UP! I'm going to kill you." If you fall into the psychwarfare trap, then they have you. Which is why I ignore them. They are not worth nor worthy to be replied to. They ARE the Philosophical Zombies. And they will one day regret what they have done. These are the armies, not of flesh and blood, but of the spirit of antichrist. Remember, there are many antichrists. Don't fall into this trap they have set.
It is boggling to think this country will swallow the fucking Marxists defrauding the election to gain power and overthrow our Republic. Biden and Kamala? The idea that this election would be close is absurd.
The country wants to be on their knees and plough-fucked in the ass by Marxism, and have their guns taken away so they can be defenseless sheep, sucking down more globalist, cock-sucking Liberal jello.
Fucking pathetic.
This country had better wake the fuck up and fight against the goddamned Marxist takeover of our nation or we are fucked into oblivion. Fuck all the whiny, cock-sucking Liberal Marxist sheep. There won't be another election, for all the mushy middle "reasonable" sheep. If the country can't keep a ticket like Biden and Harris from siezing power, what fucking hope would the country have against an actually stronger, slicker, more competent, and glossier Marxist ticket, like, oh, AOC? This country is going to fucking burn. This is the 11th hour, and the barbarians are at te gates. America is on the edge of plunging into the abyss.
Semper Fidelis,
SHARK
AFFIDAVIT - Draft
The Affiant, Robert Cushman, being first duly sworn, hereby deposes and states as follows:
My name is Robert Cushman. I am an adult citizen and resident of the State of Michigan.
I served and was trained to be a poll challenger for the November 2020 election in Detroit, Michigan.
During my observations of the normal processing of ballots on November 4th between about 0745 AM and 0830 AM I was substantially obstructed from performing my challenger duties of observing and making notes at Board Number 31. The persons involved either directly or indirectly involved: 1. A worker , 2. A supervisor , 3 an unknown person with no credentials, 4 a Democratic Challenger with credentials and one of the AVCB leaders .
On Wednesday, November 4, 2020, Detroit election officials told us that they were going to process military ballots last. I did my best to try to observe the processing/duplication of the military ballots.
On November 4, 2020, I was surprised to see numerous new boxes of ballots arrive at the TCF Center in the evening. I first noticed these boxes in the distribution area after many of the military ballots had been distributed and processed. I estimate these boxes contained several thousand new ballots when they appeared.
The main list of persons who had registered to vote on or before November 1, 2020, was listed on an electronic poll book, often referred to as the QVF. As I understand it, the Supplemental Sheets were the lists of persons who had registered to vote on November 2, 2020 or November 3, 2020.
I observed that none of the names on these new ballots were on the QVF or the Supplemental Sheets.
I saw the computer operators at several counting boards manually adding the names and addresses of these thousands of ballots to the QVF system.
When I asked what the possible justification was to counting ballots from unknown, unverified “persons”, I was told by election supervisors that the Wayne County Clerk’s Office had “checked them out.”
I challenged not one ballet, but the entire process as the names were not in the Poll Books or Supplemental Sheets and because the DOB’s were all wrong, all being marked as 01-01-1900.
An Election Supervisor near board number #86 advised me to go to the podium of election officials and ask one of them to help me. I did, and I enlisted the help of one of the leaders, a young man named Anthony Miller.
Mr. Miller walked me back to board number #86 and asked what I wanted the challenge to say. I said that I did not want to challenge just one ballot, but the entire process, as I was witnessing several thousand ballots inputted illegally.
Mr. Miller advised the computer operator what to type in as a challenge so that it was part of the Official Record in the Poll Book for Board Number #86.
I challenged the authority and the authenticity of all of these ballots that were being processed late with absolutely no accompanying documentation, no corresponding name in the QVF, and no corresponding name in the Supplemental List.
Every ballot was being fraudulently and manually entered into the Electronic Poll Book (QVF), as having been born on January 1, 1900. This “last” batch of ballots was processed in the 8 PM to 10 PM time frame.
When I asked about this impossibility of each ballot having the same birthday occurring in 1900, I was told that was the instruction that came down from the Wayne County Clerk’s office.
Mr. Miller was very clear about these late ballots and that the instructions were coming from the Wayne County Clerk’s office.
I was surprised and disappointed at the preponderance of dishonesty, irregularities, and fraudulent tactics at the November 3, 2020 election at the TCF Center.
The above information is true to the best of my information, knowledge, and belief.
Further affiant says not.
Robert Cushman
As you can see from the bullshit I've taken (if you paid attention), then you should know that ANYONE who questions them or even PROVES THEM WRONG is immediately issued insults, attempts are made to discredit them, and are essentially told to prove themselves by those who wish them harm. "SHUT UP! I'm smarter than you. SHUT UP! I'm faster than you. SHUT UP! I'm going to kill you." If you fall into the psychwarfare trap, then they have you. Which is why I ignore them. They are not worth nor worthy to be replied to. They ARE the Philosophical Zombies. And they will one day regret what they have done. These are the armies, not of flesh and blood, but of the spirit of antichrist. Remember, there are many antichrists. Don't fall into this trap they have set.Hi, consolcwby. I had some replies for you back in reply #613 and #615, but you haven't replied. I guess you are ignoring me as one of the antichrists. Maybe from your point of view, I am an antichrist - but I am not telling you to shut up, nor am I trying to kill you.
Oh yeah Project Veritas depends on their reliability...like literally the complete fraud they posted JUST LAST MONTH. Dumbasses.
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/09/29/us/politics/project-veritas-ilhan-omar.html
The short of it, Project Veritas was taken in by a totally fraudulent claim in a video in September. Liban Osman, subject of Project Veritas alleged voter fraud story, tells @LydenFOX9 he was offered $10K by Omar Jamal to say he was collecting ballots for Congresswoman @IlhanMN.
So yeah, not a good source to be claiming they are a shining example of truthfulness and credibility.
The "dead people voted in Pennsylvania" stuff is fraudulent claim too:
https://www.nytimes.com/live/2020/2020-election-misinformation-distortions
Finally, the Project Veritas Michigan "postage backdating" claim was debunked the same day it came out (the date on the envelope is irrelevant to whether or not it is counted since it had to physically be there on time to be counted):
https://www.mediamatters.org/sinclair-broadcast-group/sinclair-broadcast-group-spreads-debunked-project-veritas-disinformation
I seriously hate sore losers. I hated it when Democrats did it in 2000 and then in 2004 again, and I hate it now that Republicans are doing it in 2020. Same bullshit, different tribe.
Link for that, Jeff?
What I will say is a good sign for the US is the increased voter participation this time. As The Dictator's Handbook noted, the only real difference between a dictator and a Prime Minister or President is how many people they have to please to stay in power - but that makes all the difference. If I have to please a few Generals and their men I don't have to think much about the public good, if I have to please 100 million people, I do.I don't agree. Plenty of dictators have been voted into power, and dictators and democratically elected representatives both need public support. If anything, dictators are more sensitive to public opinion, because they know it's unlikely they'll be able to make a graceful exit. If they're overthrown, they'll end up in jail, or dead. That's why dictators hold so desperately to power, and even those who allow some kind of sham voting always make sure they control the means of communication, like seizing control of the media, making dissent illegal, setting up secret police and informer networks so people can't safely express their true beliefs, rewriting the official histories, and so on. They want to control the narrative by controlling what people can learn and say.
So the broader the participation, the better it is for the public good... eventually, anyway.
Oh yeah Project Veritas depends on their reliability...like literally the complete fraud they posted JUST LAST MONTH. Dumbasses.
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/09/29/us/politics/project-veritas-ilhan-omar.html
The short of it, Project Veritas was taken in by a totally fraudulent claim in a video in September. Liban Osman, subject of Project Veritas alleged voter fraud story, tells @LydenFOX9 he was offered $10K by Omar Jamal to say he was collecting ballots for Congresswoman @IlhanMN.
So yeah, not a good source to be claiming they are a shining example of truthfulness and credibility.
The "dead people voted in Pennsylvania" stuff is fraudulent claim too:
https://www.nytimes.com/live/2020/2020-election-misinformation-distortions
Finally, the Project Veritas Michigan "postage backdating" claim was debunked the same day it came out (the date on the envelope is irrelevant to whether or not it is counted since it had to physically be there on time to be counted):
https://www.mediamatters.org/sinclair-broadcast-group/sinclair-broadcast-group-spreads-debunked-project-veritas-disinformation
I seriously hate sore losers. I hated it when Democrats did it in 2000 and then in 2004 again, and I hate it now that Republicans are doing it in 2020. Same bullshit, different tribe.
A lot of this has been addressed by Project Veritas and others already.
Are you also of the opinion that the recent riots were coming from the right wing?
You can always trust a Lincoln project man to take the 2020 NYT at face value. "DEBUNKED!!! The NYT would never lie, just like Philadelphia would never commit the mass election fraud it's been known for, for decades, in this cycle where nothing much at all was at stake"
And soon the LP will learn what their new allies think they've really earned.
https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/aoc-calls-on-lincoln-project-to-take-the-l-and-give-fundraising-to-grassroots-organizers
Enjoy your mirage victory until it evaporates, copperheads. We don't need you, and no one wants you. This isn't going to stand, and we can pick up 10 voters for every LP man that goes sniveling home to Nancy Pelosi, just by ditching: stupid foreign wars, an economy based on pushing papers around on desks, and COC trade deals.
It wouldn't surprise me in the least to find out that LP's $67 million didn't mostly go to paying the necessary grease to make this fraud happen, including running interference (or more) via their alphabet agency members.
1. PV isn't credible. Oh they've "addressed" it? Funny, you didn't link to anything. Because we both know their "addressing it" was to be dismissive.
2. No, of course not.
It's funny how the people yelling "fraud" don't seem to care about voter purges in Georgia in 2019 (200k, mostly black and liberal) or the many thousands of ballots "delayed" or "lost" in the mail on account of Trump's appointee, DeJoy.Because in the first case, purging voters who haven't voted in a long time isn't fraud. It isn't even related to fraud.
Hmm...I wonder why?
You can always trust a Lincoln project man to take the 2020 NYT at face value. "DEBUNKED!!! The NYT would never lie, just like Philadelphia would never commit the mass election fraud it's been known for, for decades, in this cycle where nothing much at all was at stake"
And soon the LP will learn what their new allies think they've really earned.
https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/aoc-calls-on-lincoln-project-to-take-the-l-and-give-fundraising-to-grassroots-organizers
Enjoy your mirage victory until it evaporates, copperheads. We don't need you, and no one wants you. This isn't going to stand, and we can pick up 10 voters for every LP man that goes sniveling home to Nancy Pelosi, just by ditching: stupid foreign wars, an economy based on pushing papers around on desks, and COC trade deals.
It wouldn't surprise me in the least to find out that LP's $67 million didn't mostly go to paying the necessary grease to make this fraud happen, including running interference (or more) via their alphabet agency members.
What are you going to do when Biden is sworn in as President?
Reality will hit you soon. It's hitting Trump already.
Congratulations to President-elect Biden!LOL, till he has a stroke or gets 25th'ed out or gets arkanicided.
I don't agree. Plenty of dictators have been voted into powerNot really in free and fair elections.
and dictators and democratically elected representatives both need public support.Yes and no. There's actual support, then there's not opposing them. For a leader, simply having people not oppose them can be enough, so long as key people support them.
those who allow some kind of sham voting always make sure they control the means of communicationOne of the reasons they allow sham voting is that it reminds their key supporters they're replaceable. A certain amount of social mobility is necessary in any society to make people support that society; people will put up with a pretty awful life if there's even a small hope of it changing.
But the will of the governed? That's only a feature of democracies insofar as they tend to be more transparent and allow freer discourse.It's more like this. Let's suppose I am the leader of a city of 100,000 people, each of whom provides me with $1,000 revenue on average, for $100 million in all. What do I do with this money?
I'm looking forward to finding out what Trueinternationalunderpressure is. I hope it means I get a pony.
there's 70 million of us who watched you push a senile old fuck and a literal...whore into office.
there's 70 million of us who watched you push a senile old fuck and a literal...whore into office.
It's 75 million. And have some respect, for God's sake, the man's still President until Biden is sworn in.
What's this thing about Kamala being a "whore" or slutty?
Greetings!
I read an article that discussed how Biden and Harris are going to tear down the Wall, and totally destroy Trump's immigration policies. No bans, no restrictions, anyone and everyone can just fucking pour into the country. More than 11 million illegal immigrants in the country Biden plans to make citizens during his first 100 days in office.
Globalist, cock-sucking Marxists. Oh, well, Biden isn't a Marxist--he's a moderate.
What's this thing about Kamala being a "whore" or slutty?
There have been rumors for years in California politics that she slept her way to Attorney General. Whether it’s true or not mostly just tells you political affiliation.
And I am certainly not ranting delusionally
What's this thing about Kamala being a "whore" or slutty?When she was in her 20s, she dated Willie Brown, who was married (though separated), and 31 years her senior. While they dated, he was the speaker of the assembly and then mayor (of San Fran), and appointed her to several positions, including the California Unemployment Insurance Appeals Board and then to the Medical Assistance Commission, supported her run for DA, and gave her expensive gifts, like a BMW. This is all public record, and well documented. Rumors beyond that are just rumors.
Greetings!
I read an article that discussed how Biden and Harris are going to tear down the Wall, and totally destroy Trump's immigration policies. No bans, no restrictions, anyone and everyone can just fucking pour into the country. More than 11 million illegal immigrants in the country Biden plans to make citizens during his first 100 days in office.
Globalist, cock-sucking Marxists. Oh, well, Biden isn't a Marxist--he's a moderate.
Mmmm. no. It's much worse than you have imagined so far... He is pretty much a Marxist of the worst sort. His son Hunter Biden, owns 10% of Red China's largest foreign investment company. John Kerry's son owns a big chunk of this Red Chinese company as well, Bohai Harvest RST, along with one of the younger Bulger clan out of Boston. Together they own 30% of this multibillion dollar Chinese investment company, the only Red Chinese investment company authorized to invest in companies outside of China. In 2013 Hunter Introduced the CEO of BHR to Joe Biden, who fast tracked some legislation for them, and provided the Red Chinese with back door access to the Obama Administation White House.
In consideration for that favor, the Red Chinese arranged to buy one of Hunter Biden's other companies, Rosemont Realty, for $75 Million in Cash, back in 2015. Rosemont Realty, which owns and manages commercial real estate mostly in New Mexico. Since 2015, though the Chinese have pumped hundreds of millions in Rosemont Realty and have been busy buying more U.S. businesses and office space, and now own 2.1 Billion dollars of U.S. Real Estate . Joe Biden & Son have literally been selling the United States to the Red Chinese. I have the complete paper trail, including actual bank records if you really need to see this. The Bank records include the Ukranian's paying off Hunter Biden as well for access to American political favors during the Obama Administration. John Kerry's son stepped off the Ukranian deal in 2016, built still owns a huge chunk of the Chinese Investment Company.
I only got access to the paperwork because Hunter Biden's company, Rosemont Boahai, LLC. was sued into non-existence, because a couple of his scummy business partners there embezzled sixty million dollars of Lakota Indian Bond Money back in 2015 that was earmarked to develop an entire new neighborhood in Pine Ridge South Dakota for the Indians. So his business partners stole money from the Indians using a Ponzi scheme, and were convicted in an unrelated criminal investigation where these records were subpoena'd because several million dollars of the Lakota Money was processed and funneled through the Rosemont Bohai, LLC. investment accounts. NY District Attorney determined Hunter didn't know about this, so he wasn't charged.
Sadly, I only found out about this on October 24th, after watching a video Rudy Guliani posted on Youtube, but only after he realized the Trump Administration was in serious trouble with the upcoming election. Rudy said he had proof, but didn't provide any, hoever I took the trouble to look into his allegations more deeply and found out he was telling the truth. The Bidens are rich because the red Chinese already paid them off, and will probably pay them even more for future considerations.
So I didn't vote for Biden, even though I originally planned to. I never was going to vote for Trump, because he is literally the worst American President who drew air in my lifetime. He was so bad, I found myself apologizing to the French for his erratic behavior and lack of leadersship, ...and that says alot. I did happily elect Greg Pence to Congress for the 6th district here in Indiana, he's older and smarter than his little brother Mike, anyway, and is an ex-Marine combat commander with a good head on his shoulders. If anyone can fix our defunct and dysfunctional government from the inside, it would be Greg.
I just want my stimulus tbh
What’s the Over/Under on months before Biden is 25th’d and War with Iran?
I'll be shocked if we get any more direct stimulus. Both parties seem to be happy to add pork to the proposals, and have the other side shoot it down.
But keep on being unemployed and locked down, or grandma will die.
$4 trillion stimulus / 150 million taxpayers
= $25,000 to $30,000
That's how much that $1,200 cost you.
$4 trillion stimulus / 150 million taxpayersHmmm... I hadn't realized that. I guess hyperinflation is going to fuck us all eventually. WW3 if we 'chew and screw' as a nation. Hmmm....
= $25,000 to $30,000
That's how much that $1,200 cost you.
$4 trillion stimulus / 150 million taxpayers
= $25,000 to $30,000
That's how much that $1,200 costyouthe next generation.
What’s the Over/Under on months before Biden is 25th’d and War with Iran?
Yes and no. Most of that will come off federal grants towards state infrastructure and local public jobs during the next few years. They can only increase taxes so much. And even them, most states simply don't have enough of a perk for people to overpay in income and property taxes. NY and CA are going to be the states where these changes will likely affect the most. Manhattan tolls will likely increase to $20 in the next five years as well and then there's no guarantee another large scale global event won't affect the world again. Forget about national debt, this is the only thing where it's almost safe to say that will never get paid off in today's world.No, this is pure inflation. They're not funding the stimulus with explicit taxes, the Fed is just making new money out of nothing. Since they're increasing the number of dollars without adding any new value, that means each dollar will eventually buy less and less. It's a tax, but a hidden one, and one that affects not just your income, but also your savings. They've kept that bill from coming due with monetary policy, but it's had a lot of negative effects, and it's an open question how long they can keep kicking the can down the road.
No, this is pure inflation. They're not funding the stimulus with explicit taxes, the Fed is just making new money out of nothing. Since they're increasing the number of dollars without adding any new value, that means each dollar will eventually buy less and less. It's a tax, but a hidden one, and one that affects not just your income, but also your savings. They've kept that bill from coming due with monetary policy, but it's had a lot of negative effects, and it's an open question how long they can keep kicking the can down the road.
Chavez was elected fairly, and plenty of others. What defines a dictator isn't the path to power, but what they do to consolidate it.I don't agree. Plenty of dictators have been voted into powerNot really in free and fair elections.
Don't see the distinction. Even in a functional constitutional republic, voting for someone doesn't mean you support them. You're just picking who you see as the best option. You might not agree with all of their platform. It might not even be a close fit. Furthermore, with fixed terms a la the US, you really have no control over what they actually do once they're in office. Not only that, but very few people follow what their elected representatives are up to, or even have a good idea what the job entails, so voting for someone is based more on personality and sensationalism than substance.Quoteand dictators and democratically elected representatives both need public support.Yes and no. There's actual support, then there's not opposing them. For a leader, simply having people not oppose them can be enough, so long as key people support them.
That's not the public good, you just explained cronyism, special interests, and the seemingly endless growth of the welfare state as an series of escalating bribes. That's horrifically destructive because it creates a culture where the public lines up at the public trough for handouts instead of doing something productive, and since there are real stakes the conflicts between factions become vicious.QuoteBut the will of the governed? That's only a feature of democracies insofar as they tend to be more transparent and allow freer discourse.It's more like this. Let's suppose I am the leader of a city of 100,000 people, each of whom provides me with $1,000 revenue on average, for $100 million in all. What do I do with this money?
Now, if they are all disarmed except for my 100-man Imperial Guard, I can give each of my Imperial Guard $500,000 - for half a million each I can find 1 man willing to shoot the other 999 unarmed protesters if he has some company. I just need to look after those 100 men really well and I can rule the other 99,900, and keep $50 million for myself.
But if I need 50,001 of them to vote for me, giving them $1,000 back isn't going to impress them much, so I can't keep that $50 million spare, I have to give all $100 million back - $2,000 each. Those 50,001 people are only $1,000 better off, though, that may not be enough to convince them, especially if they have to trudge along dirt roads and pay for a tutor for their kids and pay doctors and so on out of that. So instead I take that $100 million and spend it on roads and schools and medical clinics. This also doesn't guarantee support but at least after tossing me out at the next election they speak well of me and I might be able to get back in at some later time.
Which is to say, increasing the franchise tends to work to encourage leaders to consider the overall public good more.
Guess dissent is no longer patriotic again (that was fun in the shift from Bush to Obama -- the left flipped gears so fast even I was surprised).OK, I looked it over. The raw data and the scripts are available on github, which is good. Here's the direct github link.
How about some actual science? https://gnews.org/534248/
Short form: Biden's votes actually violate Benford's law, which has been used successfully to nail down Iranian election fraud (2009) and other forensic analyses.
Those things won't happen in Trump's 2nd term. The left overplayed its hand and the fraud avalanche is laughable and there's more evidence incoming. It's like a kid with a mouthful of cookies trying to tell you they have no idea what happened to the cookies. Math still works and Notorious ACB and "Uncle Clarence" are ready to rock.
2) The sworn affidavit of an election monitor in Michigan, posted by jeff37923, posted in Reply #691 (https://www.therpgsite.com/the-rpgpundit-s-own-forum/2020-election-commentary/msg1152313/#msg1152313), claiming major problems in the process. However, jeff37923 says that Larry Correia's Facebook feed but was since taken down. (And thank you, jeff37923, for saying that it should therefore be taken with a grain of salt.)
What is this supposed to mean? Are you stating that because Facebook -- a leftist corporate entity that's been caught REPEATEDLY jerking conservatives around -- removed or otherwise muzzled Correia, that Correia is somehow untrustworthy?
Wow, dude. That is a serious shit-the-bed bit of idiocy there.
It feels to me like people are mostly vaguely talking about "so much fraud" - but much of it is light on specifics, and hundreds of unproven claims of fraud don't constitute proof. I've looked into some claims, but it takes time to really dig in.
There certainly have been cases of fraud in the past - but again, Republicans have had undivided control to investigate and prosecute fraud in the 2016 election and at least a window to act on the 2018 elections. Do people think that the 2016 and 2018 elections were fair, and that only in this election has widespread fraud been a problem? Or is it that fraud was a major problem, and that Trump and congressional Republicans failed to act on it?
It seems to me that the most major claims of fraud in the 2020 general election claimed here are:
1) The Antrim County glitch that caused 6000 votes to count towards Biden. But that was caught by cross-checks, and no one official has claimed that it was intentional fraud. That county is Republican dominated, and the local officials are Republican.
2) The sworn affidavit of an election monitor in Michigan, posted by jeff37923, posted in Reply #691 (https://www.therpgsite.com/the-rpgpundit-s-own-forum/2020-election-commentary/msg1152313/#msg1152313), claiming major problems in the process. However, jeff37923 says that Larry Correia's Facebook feed but was since taken down. (And thank you, jeff37923, for saying that it should therefore be taken with a grain of salt.)
3) A statistical analysis (https://redstate.com/scotthounsell/2020/11/05/excuse-me-while-i-call-bs-n275572) from RedState author Scott Hounsell. I tried looking into it, but it didn't give any sources for it's numbers and doesn't seem to have any cross-checks by anyone else.
4) The claim that there were more votes than registered voters in Wisconsin, advanced by Brad, followed by the claim that it was ludicrous that 90% of registered voters had voted. I don't see that there is anything here. The initial claim was wrong, and the idea that 90% is ludicrous doesn't add up given that 2016 had 87% nationally.
5) The Benford's Law analysis claim. I don't have a conclusion yet on this. This at least gives it's sources as well as code - which is good. It claims a statistical anomaly, but it doesn't give a likelihood or explain why it chose the three districts that it did.
What frustrates me is that when I look into any given claim of fraud, I feel like there is little effort to defend the claim. Instead, that claim is just abandoned and posters switch over to a different claim.
That's why the elections are being investigated. Detectives don't throw up their hands on the first day of a case and go 'Well! We have no hard evidence! Time to go home!'
Though Biden and his supporters would love for everyone to blindly accept the election "results" before they're certified.
'effin hypocrites
Absolutely not. This isn't about Larry Correia or Facebook. It's that there should be some sort of link or confirmation to establish the authenticity of the supposed sworn affidavit. If it is true, there should be some sort of confirmation beyond "I saw one person post this on Facebook." Previously, jeff37923 was asked for a source for what he posted, and he himself said that he couldn't find a link - and he himself said to take it with a grain of salt.2) The sworn affidavit of an election monitor in Michigan, posted by jeff37923, posted in Reply #691 (https://www.therpgsite.com/the-rpgpundit-s-own-forum/2020-election-commentary/msg1152313/#msg1152313), claiming major problems in the process. However, jeff37923 says that Larry Correia's Facebook feed but was since taken down. (And thank you, jeff37923, for saying that it should therefore be taken with a grain of salt.)What is this supposed to mean? Are you stating that because Facebook -- a leftist corporate entity that's been caught REPEATEDLY jerking conservatives around -- removed or otherwise muzzled Correia, that Correia is somehow untrustworthy?
Wow, dude. That is a serious shit-the-bed bit of idiocy there.
That's why the elections are being investigated. Detectives don't throw up their hands on the first day of a case and go 'Well! We have no hard evidence! Time to go home!'I agree that the results should be checked and confirmed, and I support investigations into possible fraud based on the amount of evidence. However, detectives also don't go "Aha! He's guilty!" and take away someone's rights when there isn't hard evidence.
Though Biden and his supporters would love for everyone to blindly accept the election "results" before they're certified.
Him and his communist buddies Putin and Xi, and Poland and Hungary, and Turkey need to get the hell out of our politics.
'effin hypocrites
Yes, you are.
I see, so GameDaddy actually IS a delusional retard. Neat.
Absolutely not. This isn't about Larry Correia or Facebook. It's that there should be some sort of link or confirmation to establish the authenticity of the supposed sworn affidavit. If it is true, there should be some sort of confirmation beyond "I saw one person post this on Facebook." Previously, jeff37923 was asked for a source for what he posted, and he himself said that he couldn't find a link - and he himself said to take it with a grain of salt.2) The sworn affidavit of an election monitor in Michigan, posted by jeff37923, posted in Reply #691 (https://www.therpgsite.com/the-rpgpundit-s-own-forum/2020-election-commentary/msg1152313/#msg1152313), claiming major problems in the process. However, jeff37923 says that Larry Correia's Facebook feed but was since taken down. (And thank you, jeff37923, for saying that it should therefore be taken with a grain of salt.)What is this supposed to mean? Are you stating that because Facebook -- a leftist corporate entity that's been caught REPEATEDLY jerking conservatives around -- removed or otherwise muzzled Correia, that Correia is somehow untrustworthy?
Wow, dude. That is a serious shit-the-bed bit of idiocy there.
If you can find any sort of confirmation that the affidavit is real, then I would be interested and take it seriously.That's why the elections are being investigated. Detectives don't throw up their hands on the first day of a case and go 'Well! We have no hard evidence! Time to go home!'I agree that the results should be checked and confirmed, and I support investigations into possible fraud based on the amount of evidence. However, detectives also don't go "Aha! He's guilty!" and take away someone's rights when there isn't hard evidence.
Though Biden and his supporters would love for everyone to blindly accept the election "results" before they're certified.
Until hard evidence is brought forward, then I think we should proceed with the legal process of election.
Me? You are the one that seems to be trying to get a man elected President that owes the Germans, and the Russians money, as in four hundred million dollars. His failed real estate empire should imminently collapse, and suck down anything close to him. It's best the rest of us Americans aren't close to him when that happens.
Not that Biden is any better, being in bed with the Red Chinese and all...
Our political system is failing us Americans, and you are ok with that?
And we are. I'll give Biden the same benefit of the doubt that Democrats gave Trump for four years of accusations of Russian collusion. ;)
2) The sworn affidavit of an election monitor in Michigan, posted by jeff37923, posted in Reply #691 (https://www.therpgsite.com/the-rpgpundit-s-own-forum/2020-election-commentary/msg1152313/#msg1152313), claiming major problems in the process. However, jeff37923 says that Larry Correia's Facebook feed but was since taken down. (And thank you, jeff37923, for saying that it should therefore be taken with a grain of salt.)
What is this supposed to mean? Are you stating that because Facebook -- a leftist corporate entity that's been caught REPEATEDLY jerking conservatives around -- removed or otherwise muzzled Correia, that Correia is somehow untrustworthy?
Wow, dude. That is a serious shit-the-bed bit of idiocy there.
That's why the elections are being investigated. Detectives don't throw up their hands on the first day of a case and go 'Well! We have no hard evidence! Time to go home!'
Though Biden and his supporters would love for everyone to blindly accept the election "results" before they're certified.
Why do elections need to be investigated now? Both Republicans and Democrats sit on election committees that oversee the process at the local polls, and at the State level, where the local votes are tallied. There are overseers over the entire process of all political denominations. No one did any investigating in 2016, so why now?
Becuase the Drumpf lost. They weren't excited to investigate when he won, why not then in 2016??? He didn't lose by a narrow margin either. there are five million more votes for Biden for President than the Drumpf received. Even if some minor errors were discovered, it wouldn't be Five million votes worth. Him and his communist buddies Putin and Xi, and Poland and Hungary, and Turkey need to get the hell out of our politics.
The Drumpf really needs to run off and figure out where he can scrounge up the 400 million he is going to need to pay off Duestche bank (Run by Communists, by the way...), Angela Merkel is former STASI. I have a junior staff photo of her in a commie uniform, and that photo is of her STASI membership card. Becuase he is totally in hock to them, and they are going to foreclose, which would be most excellent by the way. Seeing Trumps named removed from the towers in our large cities would be a vast improvement of the cities in question.
'effin hypocrites
Sorry but I don't know how the US ballots work. Are the Senate ballots separate?No. The ballot starts with the presidential candidates at the top and everything else descending down the page(s) from there (depending on where you are--if your state doesn't have a senator up for re-election, then they won't be on there).
Why didn't they fix the Senate as well then? I'd have totally fixed the Senate cos I hear the Senate can do stuff. Won't the Senate just block everything and stop the Marxist apocalypse? Fucking amateurs.I guess for some reason you assume republican senators would not go along with Biden. Biden is not communist, though he does have a rather loud contingent of social marxists in his party, and one waiting for him to stroke out and she become president. Biden is going to do EXACTLY what a republican senate wants him to do. Sign some shit trade deals (shit for americans, great for multinational corps), get us into a war with...I would bet syria, and generally do business as usual, as per neocon and neoliberal (aka warmongering and growing the government) policies as directed by corporate paymasters.
The Drumpf really needs to run off and figure out where he can scrounge up the 400 million he is going to need to pay off Duestche bank (Run by Communists, by the way...), Angela Merkel is former STASI. I have a junior staff photo of her in a commie uniform, and that photo is of her STASI membership card. Becuase he is totally in hock to them, and they are going to foreclose, which would be most excellent by the way. Seeing Trumps named removed from the towers in our large cities would be a vast improvement of the cities in question.
'effin hypocrites
All this "unity" and "healing" babble is beyond hysterically delusional.
No matter what happens, DIVISION is the future.
And not polite division either.
Greetings!
Excellent commentary, Gamedaddy! Thank you. All of the sordid, scummy fucking details of how greedy, corrupt, and evil Biden and company are doesn't surprise me at all. It's great to get a deeper look into the details, Gamedaddy!
Semper Fidelis,
SHARK
Why didn't they fix the Senate as well then? I'd have totally fixed the Senate cos I hear the Senate can do stuff. Won't the Senate just block everything and stop the Marxist apocalypse? Fucking amateurs.I have a theory, and I admit up front it's ONLY conjecture, so take with a grain of salt.
Some of the things mentioned don’t necessarily mean cheating.
For instance, I can totally see a lot of people voting mostly Republicans for the Senate while still not giving their vote to Trump. He’s not exactly everyone’s cup of tea.
Neither is the piles of people "born" on 1/1/1900.At the very least, that suggests the data is corrupted. Which is not good.
Ya that one's no smoking gun. Neither is the piles of people "born" on 1/1/1900. That's people not understanding data.
Take a look at Maidengate if you can find it.
Voting needs to be same day, in person.Nonsense. Mail-in voting, and eventually entirely electronic voting, is the way of the future. Having improved safeguards and security to preserve integrity is the right way to go, but trying to get everyone to physically "stroll to the poll" on election day is archaic. Besides, deployed military deserve to vote too, right?
Absentee and mail in are not close to the same thing with regard to chain of custody and you have to request an absentee ballot. Straw man. You can call it archaic, but it is EXTREMELY hard to cheat or use any sort of fraud. It also requires the person who cares to vote, to actually get off their ass and take a small part of their time and go take some action.Voting needs to be same day, in person.Nonsense. Mail-in voting, and eventually entirely electronic voting, is the way of the future. Having improved safeguards and security to preserve integrity is the right way to go, but trying to get everyone to physically "stroll to the poll" on election day is archaic. Besides, deployed military deserve to vote too, right?
But I most definitely agree with you, the democrats for certain will make mail in, and as soon as they can google sponsored electronic voting the norm as fast as they can. Enjoy reaping what that sows.
Thought experiment for a moment.I have a hard time believing elections matter too much. Period. I knew, the moment mail in was a thing it was going to be a shitshow. I guess if we didnt have a pool of candidates FROM ALL SIDES who are the tools of special interests and corporations and lifelong political animals I might start to have some faith? At this point there is no result that satisfies me. If it was somehow found that there was chicanery to the level Trump stays in office....well we all have to be fools to not think EVERY election doesnt have this bullshit going on. I think there are reasons that republicans have no more energy to make election fraud a priority than democrats do. This country is run by an oligarch political class that is going to do what is best for their flunkies, stock holdings, and their overseas partners in crime (china).
Let's say that investigations go forward and the results don't go your way, whether that is sufficient fraud found to keep Trump in office or validation of the projected results.
What would you need to believe that you were actually in the wrong and this election was actually valid or compromised?
What republicans do or do not do has jack shit to do with what I said. I think the democrats want to move to online electronic voting. I agree that voting machines are also highly suspect, but again, as I have always maintained, If you think for some reason I am republican or think anything they do is honest as a group, I am not. In 2016 democrats decided to take a very odd adversarial stance with the horrible white men of the United states. They also decided to champion the ideas of boys being in the girls locker rooms and competing against them in sports. That is insanity, and there is only one way to reach common ground with insanity. I pass.But I most definitely agree with you, the democrats for certain will make mail in, and as soon as they can google sponsored electronic voting the norm as fast as they can. Enjoy reaping what that sows.
The funny thing is, purely electronic voting machines are most common in the Southeast within Republican territory. They've been largely rejected in many other states. Here's a map of voting technologies, with electronic voting in gray:
(https://www.pewresearch.org/wp-content/uploads/2016/11/FT_16.11.07_votingTechnology.png)
Source: https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2016/11/08/on-election-day-most-voters-use-electronic-or-optical-scan-ballots/ft_16-11-07_votingtechnology/
I agree that there are some vulnerabilities from mail-in voting, though I think they can be addressed.
Regardless of whether it's in-person or mail-in, though, the larger problem of trust is that many people believe that election officials themselves are untrustworthy and flagrantly cheat. In-person voting only doesn't help with that. I'm not sure what to do with that. It might be a good idea to establish independent election commissions, but most likely the people who don't trust the current commissions also won't trust independent election commissions.
Call me lazy, but I really like mail in voting in WA. I probably wouldn't have voted this past year without it.I did early (in-person) voting myself: 6-mile drive and a wait time of about 10 minutes...it was about the same as grabbing a fast food meal.
I have no desire to spend a day futzing around in line waiting to pull a lever to, in my case, watch Inslee get another term of ignoring the homeless and raising my taxes.
Thought experiment for a moment.
Let's say that investigations go forward and the results don't go your way, whether that is sufficient fraud found to keep Trump in office or validation of the projected results.
What would you need to believe that you were actually in the wrong and this election was actually valid or compromised?
Dunno. There's a lot of variables that I'm not familiar with. Somebody with more knowledge than me could come up with some rule or law or bit of evidence that proves or disproves things.I think that's true for most people. They just aren't familiar enough with the mechanics of vote tabulation to have an informed opinion. But that doesn't mean their opinion doesn't matter, or even that they're unable to make a judgment. What it means is the people responsible for handling the votes should be in the hot seat, justifying themselves, their processes, the norms, and and explaining any remediating measures they're going to take. None of this is rocket science, people can figure out it. But the correct answer is always "okay, let's investigate the claims", not "ignore the man behind the curtain." That just destroys public trust.
Thought experiment for a moment.An ironclad chain of custody between the votes in question and the voters who cast them.
Let's say that investigations go forward and the results don't go your way, whether that is sufficient fraud found to keep Trump in office or validation of the projected results.
What would you need to believe that you were actually in the wrong and this election was actually valid or compromised?
What do you suppose the odds are statistically speaking that we have elections in three states PA, GA, AZ with a combined population of 15,400,000 people voting, and the separation of all three combined vote tallies is less than 50,000.There are tons of reasons to be suspicious, but that's not one of them. You're assuming that it's equally likely that nobody voted for Biden, that nobody voted for Trump, and that the vote was evenly split. It's not. Most national votes in the US are very close, and fall within a narrow range, with results even 10 or 20 percentage points off so unlikely they might as well be impossible.
The odds are 308 to 1 the vote should be that close in three states combined.
So this is not an accident.
Dunno. There's a lot of variables that I'm not familiar with. Somebody with more knowledge than me could come up with some rule or law or bit of evidence that proves or disproves things.
Personally, I don't think we'll ever get hard evidence one way or the other. Millions of people casting millions of ballots all over the country gives a ton of wiggle room to argue one way or the other. I think it's going to be nebulous and the American people are, for the most part, going to be further disilliousioned with the process but never have a smoking gun to point to.
I think that's true for most people. They just aren't familiar enough with the mechanics of vote tabulation to have an informed opinion. But that doesn't mean their opinion doesn't matter, or even that they're unable to make a judgment. What it means is the people responsible for handling the votes should be in the hot seat, justifying themselves, their processes, the norms, and and explaining any remediating measures they're going to take. None of this is rocket science, people can figure out it. But the correct answer is always "okay, let's investigate the claims", not "ignore the man behind the curtain." That just destroys public trust.
I am unconcerned with rebuttal or argument, I was curious about the answer to one question and don't actually give a shit about whatever fight you were expecting
And before you say 'But, we can't do that!' that's not my fucking problem, sweetcheeks. You wanted to know what it would take; well, there you go.
Absolutely we should investigate. But the correct answer also isn't "I *know* for certain the election was stolen because of what I read on Twitter". There needs to be some sort of vetting process and confirmation before I will believe a claim. Maybe they're true, maybe they're not - but it should wait for some sort of check.I was just listening to NPR. They were saying that Biden won, full stop, and that Trump was making allegations of fraud, with no evidence. That's how they phrased it. They didn't say there was insufficient evidence, or that it was contested, that the number of disputed votes weren't enough to flip the election, or anything else that might admit even a shred of uncertainty. And they said it endlessly, because every single time they mentioned the allegations, they included the caveat "with no evidence". It was repeated so often, it almost became a mantra. And it wasn't presented as the opinion of the media, a broad consensus, or even something up for dispute. They certainly never even hinted that the allegations should be investigated. It was treated like a universal truth, received wisdom that needs no explanation or justification. This was accompanied by dire warnings, that Trump's failure to capitulate threatens national security, the standing of the US in the community of nations, and more.
But we need a process to determine one way or the other, and it should be followed honestly and fairly. Claims of fraud should be given due process, but until there is proof otherwise, the vote should be followed.If you believe that, you should be objecting vociferously to how the media has handled this, because the vote hasn't been certified. The media does not decide who wins the election, the states do.
I am unconcerned with rebuttal or argument, I was curious about the answer to one question and don't actually give a shit about whatever fight you were expectingI apologize. My sinuses are acting up and I am quite irritated with how the media, both legacy and new-Internet, are basically doing their best Pravda impersonations.
Your other paragraphs were less bitchy though and the art gallery analogy is a good one.
In general, the answers have been interesting though, so thank you all.
I assumed the worst from you as well, I accept your apology and offer my own.I am unconcerned with rebuttal or argument, I was curious about the answer to one question and don't actually give a shit about whatever fight you were expectingI apologize. My sinuses are acting up and I am quite irritated with how the media, both legacy and new-Internet, are basically doing their best Pravda impersonations.
Your other paragraphs were less bitchy though and the art gallery analogy is a good one.
In general, the answers have been interesting though, so thank you all.
I do find a great deal of irony in institutions that peddled the notion an election could be swung by "Russian Collusion" for damn near 4 years now feels that all we can do is honor the election results and move forward. OR perhaps never be employable again. I wonder if those dipshits know this is how you get people to finally do what you thought trump was doing, provocations to hurt people in the press.
I do find a great deal of irony in institutions that peddled the notion an election could be swung by "Russian Collusion" for damn near 4 years now feels that all we can do is honor the election results and move forward. OR perhaps never be employable again. I wonder if those dipshits know this is how you get people to finally do what you thought trump was doing, provocations to hurt people in the press.
Yep. I have no sympathy for anyone who breathed a word of russian interference and now want us to believe this election was straight up because their guy won.
I do find a great deal of irony in institutions that peddled the notion an election could be swung by "Russian Collusion" for damn near 4 years now feels that all we can do is honor the election results and move forward. OR perhaps never be employable again. I wonder if those dipshits know this is how you get people to finally do what you thought trump was doing, provocations to hurt people in the press.
Yep. I have no sympathy for anyone who breathed a word of russian interference and now want us to believe this election was straight up because their guy won.
Remember the video of the postal worker who says he helped commit fraud to help Biden, posted earlier in this thread? You know, the one that Project Veritas was all over?
Yeah, he admits now he made the whole thing up. Link (https://www.seattletimes.com/nation-world/postal-worker-admits-fabricating-allegations-of-ballot-tampering-officials-say)
Gee, who could have possibly seen that coming? Oh right.
Remember the video of the postal worker who says he helped commit fraud to help Biden, posted earlier in this thread? You know, the one that Project Veritas was all over?
Yeah, he admits now he made the whole thing up. Link (https://www.seattletimes.com/nation-world/postal-worker-admits-fabricating-allegations-of-ballot-tampering-officials-say)
Gee, who could have possibly seen that coming? Oh right.
LOL https://youtu.be/ibU5KVFCg4Y
What would you need to believe that you were actually in the wrong and this election was actually valid or compromised?
The main stream news in NZ is reporting that foreign countries are already calling Biden to claim their markers.
Remember the video of the postal worker who says he helped commit fraud to help Biden, posted earlier in this thread? You know, the one that Project Veritas was all over?
Yeah, he admits now he made the whole thing up. Link (https://www.seattletimes.com/nation-world/postal-worker-admits-fabricating-allegations-of-ballot-tampering-officials-say)
Gee, who could have possibly seen that coming? Oh right.
LOL https://youtu.be/ibU5KVFCg4Y
$10 says he is full of shit.
Remember the video of the postal worker who says he helped commit fraud to help Biden, posted earlier in this thread? You know, the one that Project Veritas was all over?
Yeah, he admits now he made the whole thing up. Link (https://www.seattletimes.com/nation-world/postal-worker-admits-fabricating-allegations-of-ballot-tampering-officials-say)
Gee, who could have possibly seen that coming? Oh right.
LOL https://youtu.be/ibU5KVFCg4Y
$10 says he is full of shit.
But *never* Bezos's blog or the Carlos Slim Times, amirite?! Trump's been a Russian agent since 1983!
"Losing" has never been this much fun. Everywhere the gaslighting machine plants its flag, it gets shit on its face. It is very upset that people don't uncritically believe certain things anymore, as this is apparently necessary for democracy as they envision it.
Meanwhile Biden voters can't stop wailing about a sense of impending doom.
And the Left keeps reminding the Lincoln Project it didn't even promise to eat them last, as envisioned.
(https://i.imgur.com/xqyY9GH.jpg)
$10 says he is full of shit.
THere was NO EVIDENCE OF FRAUD!!$10 says he is full of shit.
"Show me proof!'
*proof*
"No, that doesn't count!!!!!!!!"
This is getting pathetic...
THere was NO EVIDENCE OF FRAUD!!
THERE WAS NO EVIDENCE OF SUBSTANTIAL FRAUD!!
THERE WAS NOT ENOUGH FRAUD TO SWAY AN ELECTION!!
EVERY BODY DOES IT ITS BEST FOR THE NATION!!!
This won't be evidence to the evidence crowd either, but its a very interesting account from a contract worker for dominion on her experience assisting poll workers on election night. She also is putting it in an affidavit (affidavit shown at about 18 min), and she makes specific accusations against people who could sue the hell out of her if she were lying.
The link below starts about 2.5 min into the video, after all the intro non-story stuff, when it gets to the actual interview.
https://www.twitch.tv/videos/798796260?t=0h2m35s
Isnt there a crime commission theory along the lines of when you catch a criminal they have committed somewhere between 7-10 times that amount of crimes prior to getting caught.....
This won't be evidence to the evidence crowd either, but its a very interesting account from a contract worker for dominion on her experience assisting poll workers on election night. She also is putting it in an affidavit (affidavit shown at about 18 min), and she makes specific accusations against people who could sue the hell out of her if she were lying.
The link below starts about 2.5 min into the video, after all the intro non-story stuff, when it gets to the actual interview.
https://www.twitch.tv/videos/798796260?t=0h2m35s
Affidavits from named people putting their reputations on the line are total horseshit compared to nebulous allegations from an unnamed source who overheard a conversation of someone else talking about a telephone call they overheard across the room. Gosh!Isnt there a crime commission theory along the lines of when you catch a criminal they have committed somewhere between 7-10 times that amount of crimes prior to getting caught.....
Sounds reasonable to me. It's not like drug dealers and thieves typically have only committed a single act before they're caught; probably countless crimes they committed before the cops were ever aware of any wrongdoing.
"American Values" seem to be extremely malleable, and I am getting a bit tired of one side always telling me what is or is not "American". Due process was "American" now it is not. Accepting election results is "American Values", but before dissent was "American Values" I think people better harken back to 1776 and remember what is most American.Throwing tea into Boston Harbor? :D
The line that the postal worker recanted came out of Adam 'shifty' Schiff's office. Some of you should know better than that.
$10 says he is full of shit.
"Show me proof!'
*proof*
"No, that doesn't count!!!!!!!!"
This is getting pathetic...
Who remained anonymous correct? I say that because anonymous sources also gave us awesome stuff like hooker pee and such.The line that the postal worker recanted came out of Adam 'shifty' Schiff's office. Some of you should know better than that.
It came from the investigators themselves.
It's not proof that he changed his mind in public to raise cash but in private he told investigators he made it all up. But more importantly you have a bet offer on the table and have not responded to it. So pucker up, buttercup. If you think this is "proof" it should be an easy bet, right? It can be done as a donation to the others preferred charity, if that's how you want to do it. Hell we can scrap the money and make it just the winner chooses the losers avatar for a month, if that's what you want. But are you willing to take the bet?
Remember the video of the postal worker who says he helped commit fraud to help Biden, posted earlier in this thread? You know, the one that Project Veritas was all over?
Yeah, he admits now he made the whole thing up. Link (https://www.seattletimes.com/nation-world/postal-worker-admits-fabricating-allegations-of-ballot-tampering-officials-say)
Gee, who could have possibly seen that coming? Oh right.
LOL https://youtu.be/ibU5KVFCg4Y
$10 says he is full of shit.
But *never* Bezos's blog or the Carlos Slim Times, amirite?! Trump's been a Russian agent since 1983!
"Losing" has never been this much fun. Everywhere the gaslighting machine plants its flag, it gets shit on its face. It is very upset that people don't uncritically believe certain things anymore, as this is apparently necessary for democracy as they envision it.
Meanwhile Biden voters can't stop wailing about a sense of impending doom.
And the Left keeps reminding the Lincoln Project it didn't even promise to eat them last, as envisioned.
It's not proof that he changed his mind in public to raise cash but in private he told investigators he made it all up. But more importantly you have a bet offer on the table and have not responded to it. So pucker up, buttercup. If you think this is "proof" it should be an easy bet, right? It can be done as a donation to the others preferred charity, if that's how you want to do it. Hell we can scrap the money and make it just the winner chooses the losers avatar for a month, if that's what you want. But are you willing to take the bet?
You're legitimately pathetic. Seriously.
Affidavits from named people putting their reputations on the line are total horseshit compared to nebulous allegations from an unnamed source who overheard a conversation of someone else talking about a telephone call they overheard across the room. Gosh!
I've never once said or implied Trump is in bed with Russia. You must have me confused with someone else. I just think he lost the election.
So the answer is no, you're a coward, and you are not even willing to back up your convictions with a simple bet concerning avatars. Gotcha. Exactly what I thought.
Two years ago here on this forum, many posters vehemently argued that sworn affidavits didn't even count as evidence, because it's human nature for people to lie. (This was during the Kavanaugh hearings.)
Why don't all "gimme proof" people simply come clean that they're exploiting a colloquial/technical gap.
The gimme proof people are asking for Proof, the technical term. They are not asking for evidence, the technical term, which concerned posters are using "proof" for in the colloquial sense - which is perfectly fucking appropriate on a forum that is not a court room.
But somehow, the Democrats want everyone to believe that Biden won this election, and is more popular than any presidential candidate in American history? I just don't buy it.
But we need a process to determine one way or the other, and it should be followed honestly and fairly. Claims of fraud should be given due process, but until there is proof otherwise, the vote should be followed.If you believe that, you should be objecting vociferously to how the media has handled this, because the vote hasn't been certified. The media does not decide who wins the election, the states do.
Why don't all "gimme proof" people simply come clean that they're exploiting a colloquial/technical gap.
The gimme proof people are asking for Proof, the technical term. They are not asking for evidence, the technical term, which concerned posters are using "proof" for in the colloquial sense - which is perfectly fucking appropriate on a forum that is not a court room.
I have been asking for and looking into evidence. I gave a list earlier of claims that I have looked into so far. My beef is that no one seems to be arguing against me regarding any of the claims. Instead, they tend just post new claims. I would love it if someone would actually argue over the evidence of a prior claim. Here are ones I've looked into so far (slight repeat from a while back):
1) The Antrim County glitch that caused 6000 votes to count towards Biden. I do not believe that this constitutes evidence of fraud. It was caught by cross-checks, and no one official has claimed that it was intentional fraud. That county is Republican dominated, and the local officials are Republican.
2) Crowder's video showing bringing a wagon and luggage into a building in Detroit where ballot counting is happening. I watched and didn't see any proof that there was any illegal activity. There was nothing on video to indicate that either the wagon or the luggage contained ballots, or that either got into the ballot-counting area without being checked.
3) A quote supposedly from a sworn affidavit of an election monitor in Michigan, posted by jeff37923, posted in Reply #691 (https://www.therpgsite.com/the-rpgpundit-s-own-forum/2020-election-commentary/msg1152313/#msg1152313), claiming major problems in the process. jeff37923 was asked for a link to show that, but he himself said that the link was no longer there and to take it with a grain of salt. Until more evidence shows up to confirm that this the affidavit exists, I'd also say that this is not evidence.
4) A statistical analysis (https://redstate.com/scotthounsell/2020/11/05/excuse-me-while-i-call-bs-n275572) from RedState author Scott Hounsell. I tried looking into it, but it didn't give any sources for it's numbers and doesn't seem to have any cross-checks by anyone else. Until there is more offered here, this is also a dead end. I'll revisit it if anyone can provide corroboration or sources for the claims.
5) The claim that there were more votes than registered voters in Wisconsin, advanced by Brad, followed by the claim that it was ludicrous that 90% of registered voters had voted. I don't believe this claim is warranted or constitutes fraud. The initial claim was wrong, and the idea that 90% is ludicrous doesn't add up given that 2016 had 87% nationally.
6) The Benford's Law analysis claim. I don't have a conclusion yet on this. This at least gives it's sources as well as code - which is good. It claims a statistical anomaly, but it doesn't give a likelihood or explain why it chose the three districts that it did.
7) GameDaddy's claim in Reply #789 (https://www.therpgsite.com/the-rpgpundit-s-own-forum/2020-election-commentary/msg1152671/#msg1152671) that the odds of PA, GA, and AZ were 308 to 1 that it was valid. That calculation of odds is based on the assumption that each state's vote is a random throw, and that 3% for Biden, 50% for Biden, and 97% for Biden were all equally likely. I believe this is a false assumption - which Pat also backed up.
8 ) The countering claims regarding Pennsylvania postal worker Richard Hopkins. This does constitute evidence and should be followed up on, I agree. If true, the postal manager should absolutely be prosecuted.
1) The Antrim County glitch that caused 6000 votes to count towards Biden. I do not believe that this constitutes evidence of fraud. It was caught by cross-checks, and no one official has claimed that it was intentional fraud. That county is Republican dominated, and the local officials are Republican.Don't obsess about the word fraud. It's being thrown around a lot in the public sphere, but it's very hard to prove deliberate fraud, and that's not what's being alleged in any of the suits. It's not the real topic, it's just hyperbole and distraction.
2) Crowder's video showing bringing a wagon and luggage into a building in Detroit where ballot counting is happening. I watched and didn't see any proof that there was any illegal activity. There was nothing on video to indicate that either the wagon or the luggage contained ballots, or that either got into the ballot-counting area without being checked.Are you familiar with how audits work? They almost never start with a smoking gun. You'll never find a single shot video showing someone fraudulently filling out ballots, boxing them, driving them to the election office, and slipping them in with the others. Instead, they look for red flags. Signs of impropriety. None of them are indisputable proof in themselves, because you can explain away individual cases as exceptions, using various justifications and contortions. But if there are enough of them, then it starts getting suspicious. The patterns themselves can be evidence, sufficient justification to declare an election fraudulent. That's how it works in developing countries, where independent election observers come in, and look for these kind of patterns.
3) A quote supposedly from a sworn affidavit of an election monitor in Michigan, posted by jeff37923, posted in Reply #691 (https://www.therpgsite.com/the-rpgpundit-s-own-forum/2020-election-commentary/msg1152313/#msg1152313), claiming major problems in the process. jeff37923 was asked for a link to show that, but he himself said that the link was no longer there and to take it with a grain of salt. Until more evidence shows up to confirm that this the affidavit exists, I'd also say that this is not evidence.
4) A statistical analysis (https://redstate.com/scotthounsell/2020/11/05/excuse-me-while-i-call-bs-n275572) from RedState author Scott Hounsell. I tried looking into it, but it didn't give any sources for it's numbers and doesn't seem to have any cross-checks by anyone else. Until there is more offered here, this is also a dead end. I'll revisit it if anyone can provide corroboration or sources for the claims.
5) The claim that there were more votes than registered voters in Wisconsin, advanced by Brad, followed by the claim that it was ludicrous that 90% of registered voters had voted. I don't believe this claim is warranted or constitutes fraud. The initial claim was wrong, and the idea that 90% is ludicrous doesn't add up given that 2016 had 87% nationally.
6) The Benford's Law analysis claim. I don't have a conclusion yet on this. This at least gives it's sources as well as code - which is good. It claims a statistical anomaly, but it doesn't give a likelihood or explain why it chose the three districts that it did.
[snip because it's a bad example]
8 ) The countering claims regarding Pennsylvania postal worker Richard Hopkins. This does constitute evidence and should be followed up on, I agree. If true, the postal manager should absolutely be prosecuted.
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Just thought I'd put this here for historical reasons:
https://twitter.com/TomFitton/status/1326535761718554624
https://www.law.cornell.edu/constitution-conan/article-2/section-1/clause-2-4/electoral-college
He's right, of course. And people here think it's a shit-show NOW. I think it's only just begun. Also, WTF is up with YooToob? Oh, well. :/
In another thread, your assessment of Bannon saying someone's head should be on a pike, was that this was a non-metaphorical threat of bodily harm. I simply don't have time nor energy to attempt persuading anyone who demonstrates a cognition/context floor at that level.Well, if Bannon is channeling Vir Cotto, then I can see it...
But somehow, the Democrats want everyone to believe that Biden won this election, and is more popular than any presidential candidate in American history? I just don't buy it.
I haven't seen anyone claim this. Biden currently looks to be getting 50.8% of the popular vote - that's about the same as George W. Bush (50.7%). It's more than Trump (46.1%) and Bill Clinton (43.0% and 49.2%) -- and less than Obama (51.0% and 52.9%) or George H.W. Bush (53.4%). That's nowhere near the most popular in history. It's slightly below average among all presidents.
Source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_United_States_presidential_elections_by_popular_vote_margin
I agree that there should be investigation.
Maybe you should look at total votes rather then a percentage.51% of the voters can get you over 90% of the votes if they are the voters casting thousands of votes each. ;)
51% of a hundred voters is not so impressive.
Oh look...
https://www.realclearpolitics.com/elections/live_results/2020/president/
Again with the "that's not proof" bit. No one is expecting anything to be proven here. They're pointing out why it stinks, and should be audited - not recounted, but audited. Just like the IRS audits your tax return without "proof" if it thinks something doesn't look right
There are a fuck ton of red flags in this election, and you've only mentioned a handful. There are all the vote dumps with a statistically impossible pro-Biden bias. There are all the local counts that swung toward Biden to a completely improbable degree, when compared to similar areas. There are the absentee ballots that favored Biden more than expected, by statistically improbably margins (not just 60-40 or 70-30, but things like 97-3). The fact that all these favored one side and not the other is another major red flag. The observers being barred is another. Putting up boards to block peoples' view is another. Keeping observers so far away they couldn't watch what was happening is another. And it was those areas that saw many of the statistical anomalies, which is yet another red flag.
What do you suppose the odds are statistically speaking that we have elections in three states PA, GA, AZ with a combined population of 15,400,000 people voting, and the separation of all three combined vote tallies is less than 50,000.
The odds are 308 to 1 the vote should be that close in three states combined.
So this is not an accident. Nor is the narrow race apparently the result of people just voting.
I've only mentioned a handful because (a) those were the claims that other posters specifically cited in this thread, and (b) I only have limited time to read on the subject. By emphasizing the fuckton of them, you're implying the narrative of "If there are hundreds of Twitter posts, surely something must be up." I disagree with that logic.Bullshit, I implied nothing of the sort. Did you even read the rest of my post? You're claiming that there's a hidden message in my post. That it's supporting some third party group's line. Not only is that ridiculous, it's insulting, because you're implying that I can't think on my own.
Among these supposed other red flags, which few do you think are the most well-founded that would bear following up on?
A decisive win for Biden. The last time an incumbent president's challenger got as high a percentage of the vote* was 1932. Even Jimmy Carter held Ronald Reagan below that percentage; incumbency is clearly a powerful advantage, as it led to the only Republican popular vote win since 1988. Trump was just that bad a president and candidate.
(* Based on present vote totals; entirely possible for Biden to end up over 80 million votes and with over 51% of the popular vote.)
A decisive win for Biden. The last time an incumbent president's challenger got as high a percentage of the vote* was 1932. Even Jimmy Carter held Ronald Reagan below that percentage; incumbency is clearly a powerful advantage, as it led to the only Republican popular vote win since 1988. Trump was just that bad a president and candidate.
(* Based on present vote totals; entirely possible for Biden to end up over 80 million votes and with over 51% of the popular vote.)
How much money did you get paid to post this? Was it at least in USD?
Maybe you should look at total votes rather then a percentage.51% of the voters can get you over 90% of the votes if they are the voters casting thousands of votes each. ;)
51% of a hundred voters is not so impressive.
Actually, many posters are claiming that it is proven that the election was completely fraudulent. Even if you aren't one of the ones who considers it proven --
The gimme proof people are asking for Proof, the technical term. They are not asking for evidence, the technical term, which concerned posters are using "proof" for in the colloquial sense - which is perfectly fucking appropriate on a forum that is not a court room.
I'm not interested in your skeptical opinion or wish to invest effort into changing it. It should invite derision or a re-evaluation of overall credibility in future discussions. But that's best done without bothering to express it to the person re-evaluated.
A decisive win for Biden. The last time an incumbent president's challenger got as high a percentage of the vote* was 1932. Even Jimmy Carter held Ronald Reagan below that percentage; incumbency is clearly a powerful advantage, as it led to the only Republican popular vote win since 1988. Trump was just that bad a president and candidate.
(* Based on present vote totals; entirely possible for Biden to end up over 80 million votes and with over 51% of the popular vote.)
So the answer is no, you're a coward, and you are not even willing to back up your convictions with a simple bet concerning avatars. Gotcha. Exactly what I thought.
I posed a video of the guy DIRECTLY DISPUTING what you said. There is no "bet". None. You have lost, and even if Jesus himself came from the heavens, you'd insist you were correct. So kindly go fuck yourself, shill.
The points I made is that there are a lot of reported red flags. Those red flags must be investigated, and nobody here is really qualified to put together the pieces because we lack the expert knowledge. I'll add that even if we can assesses individual irregularities, it's mostly pointless, because it's not about the individual cases, it's about the overall pattern. And that the point of investigating those red flags is twofold: One, two ensure election integrity. And two, to prove to the public that election integrity is taken seriously. Both the facade and the reality are important. The people denying there's a problem and saying it's a threat to democracy to challenge the results are the threat, because if we don't look into those issues people will lose faith in the machinery of democracy, which can't function without that belief.
The Rubicon is already crossed on that one IMO.
The points I made is that there are a lot of reported red flags. Those red flags must be investigated, and nobody here is really qualified to put together the pieces because we lack the expert knowledge. I'll add that even if we can assesses individual irregularities, it's mostly pointless, because it's not about the individual cases, it's about the overall pattern. And that the point of investigating those red flags is twofold: One, two ensure election integrity. And two, to prove to the public that election integrity is taken seriously. Both the facade and the reality are important. The people denying there's a problem and saying it's a threat to democracy to challenge the results are the threat, because if we don't look into those issues people will lose faith in the machinery of democracy, which can't function without that belief.
I know for a fact that standard governmental ethics training includes the very simple catechism that "If it looks improper, it IS improper", which when unpacked means that it doesn't matter if it is completely legitimate and above board, its still a violation of ethics. The example used was (as I recall): If you are in charge of purchasing something, and you decide to purchase said item from a vendor. If then, after decision has been made, said Vendor gives you tickets to the Lakers game (or buys you a fancy lunch, or whatever), it LOOKS like you were bribed, even though you'd already made the decision before hand, and you could/would be prosecuted as if you had, in fact, been bribed.
Not a lawyer, but I have always suspected this was on legally shaky ground, but nevertheless have agreed that it is a sound principle. Put it in the same catagory as 'Doth protest too much' and other such elements of 'shady as fuck' indicators.
Simply put: There are so many indicators (not proof) that this election has been tampered with that the BIDEN campaign should be calling for an audit, simply to clear their own name, or else seventy million voters will simply never believe that they election wasn't stolen from them. What is so very fascinating about all this is how people are treating the calls for investigations as somehow improper. In the long view it doesn't matter who won if no one trusts the process anymore.
Well Winson, sometimes 2+2 is 5. Sometimes it is 3. We are trying so very hard to help you Winston. Please keep trying. It is so very hard to become sane.
Well Winson, sometimes 2+2 is 5. Sometimes it is 3. We are trying so very hard to help you Winston. Please keep trying. It is so very hard to become sane.
See, Mistwell pretends he's Winston, when actually he's O’Brien. It's all so tiresome.
EDIT: Sorry, gonna have to try harder than that, shill: https://thepostmillennial.com/project-veritasproject-veritas-releases-recorded-coercing-of-usps-whistleblower-during-federal-interrogation
How are you still supporting this guy? He's so obviously lying it's not even funny anymore. Well, it's still a bit funny I suppose. And Project Veritas is so obviously shitheads in this as well, just like they were caught lying just a couple of weeks ago. How are you still being taken in by all of this?
Well Winson, sometimes 2+2 is 5. Sometimes it is 3. We are trying so very hard to help you Winston. Please keep trying. It is so very hard to become sane.
Simply put: There are so many indicators (not proof) that this election has been tampered with that the BIDEN campaign should be calling for an audit, simply to clear their own name, or else seventy million voters will simply never believe that they election wasn't stolen from them. What is so very fascinating about all this is how people are treating the calls for investigations as somehow improper. In the long view it doesn't matter who won if no one trusts the process anymore.
The Rubicon is already crossed on that one IMO.
How are you still supporting this guy? He's so obviously lying it's not even funny anymore. Well, it's still a bit funny I suppose. And Project Veritas is so obviously shitheads in this as well, just like they were caught lying just a couple of weeks ago. How are you still being taken in by all of this?Well Winson, sometimes 2+2 is 5. Sometimes it is 3. We are trying so very hard to help you Winston. Please keep trying. It is so very hard to become sane.
Like clockwork. The wacko conspiracy narrative will be supported, no matter what. Even Fox News isn't taking Trump's BS seriously, but of course now Fox is "lamestream media" to Trumptards.
Confirmation bias really has no limits.
Meanwhile, Trump is duping his followers, andtaking tons of theirraising money in the process for whatever media venture he plans next. Can't wait to watch the Trump News Network for shits and giggles.
Easiest way to blow through confirmation bias is a forensic audit
For some reason, even MSM is acknowledging very few Rs believe them, but instead of joining the call for a forensic audit they rely on social pressure to accep results without that
Reminder(s):
1. Hillary’s advice was not to concede the election *no matter what*. Trump is simply following this wise advice
2. The social and mainstream media services said final results of the election would be long delayed; are now upset the whole thing wasn't accepted immediately afterwards
3. Biden said in 1st debate he would not declare victory unless the vote totals had been certified; he declares victory weeks before that would occur
“Why won’t Trump voters take our word and stand down. THEY'RE JUST IGNORANT, EASILY SWINDLED RUBES”
You can not hold them to their own standards, what are you some kind of Remembering Nazi?
In my dreams, I'd hope that maybe Republicans and Democrats could agree to pass bipartisan election reforms by packaging together some different things like anti-gerrymandering mandates and additional funding for security. But since neither side has pushed for significant election reforms so far, I doubt this will happen.
Since we are moving on to calling one another names, would you like my home address so you can stop by some time and say the same thing to me in person? If not, perhaps we should attempt to maintain some small modicum of decorum?How are you still supporting this guy? He's so obviously lying it's not even funny anymore. Well, it's still a bit funny I suppose. And Project Veritas is so obviously shitheads in this as well, just like they were caught lying just a couple of weeks ago. How are you still being taken in by all of this?Well Winson, sometimes 2+2 is 5. Sometimes it is 3. We are trying so very hard to help you Winston. Please keep trying. It is so very hard to become sane.
Like clockwork. The wacko conspiracy narrative will be supported, no matter what. Even Fox News isn't taking Trump's BS seriously, but of course now Fox is "lamestream media" to Trumptards.
Confirmation bias really has no limits.
Meanwhile, Trump is duping his followers, andtaking tons of theirraising money in the process for whatever media venture he plans next. Can't wait to watch the Trump News Network for shits and giggles.
No, our perspectives are pretty much exactly aligned here. I hold no thoughts of fraud, I want it looked at in detail, but the "steal" was when we mass mail ballots. There is no way, on this earth, to ensure integrity on that. Every ballot may be 100 percent legitimate. Most mail-ins may be 100 percent legit. half could be, we will all never know, because they are extremely vulnerable to fraud, and the moment they were sent out, that was the rubicon, there was no way to ensure enough integrity for whatever resulted to be in any way calm. There is a reason LOTS of countries require in person, ID voting and inking your thumb after the fact and absentees are by specific request with a chain of custody. Not only to prevent fraud, but to ensure confidence with the public that there is no appearance of skullduggery. Here, I agree with you no matter what turns up in court, its a disaster.Simply put: There are so many indicators (not proof) that this election has been tampered with that the BIDEN campaign should be calling for an audit, simply to clear their own name, or else seventy million voters will simply never believe that they election wasn't stolen from them. What is so very fascinating about all this is how people are treating the calls for investigations as somehow improper. In the long view it doesn't matter who won if no one trusts the process anymore.The Rubicon is already crossed on that one IMO.
I tend to agree with oggsmash though from a different perspective. Increasingly, we're moving into hyper-partisan territory where both liberals and conservatives only believe their own information sources that match their politics. Often this results in extremes where *both* mainstreams are wrong by only promoting an exaggerated reality.
I personally agree that investigations and lawsuits should move forward. There are some other calls like this, such as this Washington Post editorial:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/outlook/2020/11/12/lawsuits-trump-election-false-claims/
But largely, people have already made up their mind based on their partisan leaning. Even after the lawsuits happen - if the results are decided against Trump, I'm sure most Trump supporters will say that the verdict was rigged the same way the election was rigged.
In my dreams, I'd hope that maybe Republicans and Democrats could agree to pass bipartisan election reforms by packaging together some different things like anti-gerrymandering mandates and additional funding for security. But since neither side has pushed for significant election reforms so far, I doubt this will happen.
A decisive win for Biden. The last time an incumbent president's challenger got as high a percentage of the vote* was 1932. Even Jimmy Carter held Ronald Reagan below that percentage; incumbency is clearly a powerful advantage, as it led to the only Republican popular vote win since 1988. Trump was just that bad a president and candidate.
(* Based on present vote totals; entirely possible for Biden to end up over 80 million votes and with over 51% of the popular vote.)
How much money did you get paid to post this? Was it at least in USD?
I tend to agree with oggsmash though from a different perspective. Increasingly, we're moving into hyper-partisan territory where both liberals and conservatives only believe their own information sources that match their politics. Often this results in extremes where *both* mainstreams are wrong by only promoting an exaggerated reality.No, our perspectives are pretty much exactly aligned here. I hold no thoughts of fraud, I want it looked at in detail, but the "steal" was when we mass mail ballots. There is no way, on this earth, to ensure integrity on that. Every ballot may be 100 percent legitimate. Most mail-ins may be 100 percent legit. half could be, we will all never know, because they are extremely vulnerable to fraud, and the moment they were sent out, that was the rubicon, there was no way to ensure enough integrity for whatever resulted to be in any way calm. There is a reason LOTS of countries require in person, ID voting and inking your thumb after the fact and absentees are by specific request with a chain of custody. Not only to prevent fraud, but to ensure confidence with the public that there is no appearance of skullduggery. Here, I agree with you no matter what turns up in court, its a disaster.
I personally agree that investigations and lawsuits should move forward. There are some other calls like this, such as this Washington Post editorial:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/outlook/2020/11/12/lawsuits-trump-election-false-claims/
But largely, people have already made up their mind based on their partisan leaning. Even after the lawsuits happen - if the results are decided against Trump, I'm sure most Trump supporters will say that the verdict was rigged the same way the election was rigged.
In my dreams, I'd hope that maybe Republicans and Democrats could agree to pass bipartisan election reforms by packaging together some different things like anti-gerrymandering mandates and additional funding for security. But since neither side has pushed for significant election reforms so far, I doubt this will happen.
Also, what would a Biden cabinet look like (https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/who-are-contenders-for-biden-s-cabinet/ar-BB1aUhVz?ocid=msedgntp)?
Also, what would a Biden cabinet look like (https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/who-are-contenders-for-biden-s-cabinet/ar-BB1aUhVz?ocid=msedgntp)?
Non-criminal. Non-nepotistic. Competent.
It is as black and white regarding the public PERCEPTION. Which was the point I made, not whether it is or is not secure.I tend to agree with oggsmash though from a different perspective. Increasingly, we're moving into hyper-partisan territory where both liberals and conservatives only believe their own information sources that match their politics. Often this results in extremes where *both* mainstreams are wrong by only promoting an exaggerated reality.No, our perspectives are pretty much exactly aligned here. I hold no thoughts of fraud, I want it looked at in detail, but the "steal" was when we mass mail ballots. There is no way, on this earth, to ensure integrity on that. Every ballot may be 100 percent legitimate. Most mail-ins may be 100 percent legit. half could be, we will all never know, because they are extremely vulnerable to fraud, and the moment they were sent out, that was the rubicon, there was no way to ensure enough integrity for whatever resulted to be in any way calm. There is a reason LOTS of countries require in person, ID voting and inking your thumb after the fact and absentees are by specific request with a chain of custody. Not only to prevent fraud, but to ensure confidence with the public that there is no appearance of skullduggery. Here, I agree with you no matter what turns up in court, its a disaster.
I personally agree that investigations and lawsuits should move forward. There are some other calls like this, such as this Washington Post editorial:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/outlook/2020/11/12/lawsuits-trump-election-false-claims/
But largely, people have already made up their mind based on their partisan leaning. Even after the lawsuits happen - if the results are decided against Trump, I'm sure most Trump supporters will say that the verdict was rigged the same way the election was rigged.
In my dreams, I'd hope that maybe Republicans and Democrats could agree to pass bipartisan election reforms by packaging together some different things like anti-gerrymandering mandates and additional funding for security. But since neither side has pushed for significant election reforms so far, I doubt this will happen.
OK, I'm glad we are partly aligned, then.
Regarding mail-in ballots, I had a dilemma about this for this election. I've voted by mail for years. But this year - inspired by worried noises from my friends - I put my ballot in a special drop box in front of City Hall - thinking that was more secure than putting it in the mail. Later, though, I read about a number of incidents where people tried to burn or blow up ballot collection boxes - and it occurred to me that there was probably more physical security around mail than there was around that drop box.
And of course, even in-person polling stations typically just have a handful of low-paid elderly people watching over the ballot boxes, which doesn't seem particularly more secure than the mail -- and easier to target. It's not like it's Fort Knox. Someone could definitely forge a counterfeit ballot and envelope; forge my signature; and intercept and replace the mail-in ballot. But I'm not sure that's significantly easier than suborning or fooling the ballot workers at a polling place - which has been done in a number of cases.
So I don't think it's nearly as different as you suggest - which is why states like Utah and countries like Switzerland adopted all-postal voting. I agree that there is less physical security, but it's not as black and white as you seem to be saying.
EDIT: Sorry, gonna have to try harder than that, shill: https://thepostmillennial.com/project-veritasproject-veritas-releases-recorded-coercing-of-usps-whistleblower-during-federal-interrogation
It is as black and white regarding the public PERCEPTION. Which was the point I made, not whether it is or is not secure.
Increasingly, we're moving into hyper-partisan territory where both liberals and conservatives only believe their own information sources that match their politics.
But largely, people have already made up their mind based on their partisan leaning.
EDIT: Sorry, gonna have to try harder than that, shill: https://thepostmillennial.com/project-veritasproject-veritas-releases-recorded-coercing-of-usps-whistleblower-during-federal-interrogationNo recording of the questioning? Not surprised, just bored.
Complete rickroll fail. That's like just asking for store hours after they say that, yes, they do have Prince Albert in a Can and just giggling later about not shopping there.
Also, what would a Biden cabinet look like (https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/who-are-contenders-for-biden-s-cabinet/ar-BB1aUhVz?ocid=msedgntp)?
Non-criminal. Non-nepotistic. Competent.
Since we are moving on to calling one another names, would you like my home address so you can stop by some time and say the same thing to me in person? If not, perhaps we should attempt to maintain some small modicum of decorum?
rawma - They released the recording of the questioning. Here's the Project Veritas story:
https://www.projectveritas.com/news/raw-audio-of-usps-investigators-interrogating-usps-whistleblower-richard/
And here's the recording,
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QkNkQ2nDQfc&feature=youtu.be
Warnings: It's two hours long, I haven't listened to it yet, and I don't know if it's been edited. But they did release something. I'd say it's up in the air at this point. Project Veritas head O'Keefe has been legally determined to have made deceptive claims earlier, like in 2013 when he was forced to apologize and pay $100,000 to settle a lawsuit by former ACORN employee Juan Vera. But other times, it seems like his claims were substantial.
Also, what would a Biden cabinet look like (https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/who-are-contenders-for-biden-s-cabinet/ar-BB1aUhVz?ocid=msedgntp)?
Non-criminal. Non-nepotistic. Competent.
Somehow different from every other presidential cabinet since WWII? I have my doubts, especially with a guy who has been in washington for his entire adult working life. I think his cabinet is coming straight over from K street.
Say what you will about the evils of Nepotism because on the other hand we have peace in the Middle East.
Criminal? Not the Obama administration.LMAO, Fast and Furious, IRS Scandal, persecuting AP reporters never happened in Rawma's world. It wasn't criminal because (D) but it should have been.
Since we are moving on to calling one another names, would you like my home address so you can stop by some time and say the same thing to me in person? If not, perhaps we should attempt to maintain some small modicum of decorum?
Guys why not put these assholes in your ignore list?
Say what you will about the evils of Nepotism because on the other hand we have peace in the Middle East.
Billy Carter arranged the Camp David Accords? Or Roger Clinton gets credit for the Israel-Jordan Peace Treaty?
Oh, you mean normalization of relations between Israel and countries that never fought wars with Israel. ::)
Guys why not put these assholes in your ignore list? They clearly want to waste your time and have nothing to say. They are trolls.
I particularly love how "The Democrats are incompetent" is somehow now seen as compatible with "The Democrats pulled off a conspiracy in 8 states simultaneously to change the federal election". Though somehow they couldn't pull off that same fraud, with those same ballots, to get the Senate or increase their seats in the House or the State legislatures. Because...reasons.
The non-Partisan Cook Political Report released an electoral map (https://cookpolitical.com/sites/default/files/2020-07/EC%20Ratings071420.pdf?) based on how they rate each state. They currently rate 279 electoral votes as solid/likely/lean Democrat and 187 electoral votes as solid/likely/lean Republican. Compared to Real Clear Politics (https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2020/president/2020_elections_electoral_college_map.html) which includes Missouri and Texas as toss-ups, the Cook Political report is assigning them to Trump, along with Iowa and Ohio. Even with that, winning the 72 electoral votes listed as 'toss-up' (which is comprised of Arizona, Florida, Georgia, and North Carolina, as well as a Maine district) Biden would win 279 to 259. It would require Trump to run the table and poach at least one large State from the Lean Democrat column.
I particularly love how "The Democrats are incompetent" is somehow now seen as compatible with "The Democrats pulled off a conspiracy in 8 states simultaneously to change the federal election". Though somehow they couldn't pull off that same fraud, with those same ballots, to get the Senate or increase their seats in the House or the State legislatures. Because...reasons.
Kinda like how Trump is supposed to be a complete moron, and yet a fascist mastermind.
I particularly love how "The Democrats are incompetent" is somehow now seen as compatible with "The Democrats pulled off a conspiracy in 8 states simultaneously to change the federal election". Though somehow they couldn't pull off that same fraud, with those same ballots, to get the Senate or increase their seats in the House or the State legislatures. Because...reasons.
Kinda like how Trump is supposed to be a complete moron, and yet a fascist mastermind.
I never bought into either of those. They were also absurd. He's neither a moron, nor a fascist.
But, he did lose the election. And I think that loss is on him. It wouldn't have taken much different from him to have won.
Also, what would a Biden cabinet look like (https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/who-are-contenders-for-biden-s-cabinet/ar-BB1aUhVz?ocid=msedgntp)?
Non-criminal. Non-nepotistic. Competent.
Leftists are completely self unaware in much of this, calling for unity after 4+ years of calling people nazis and white supremacists for even voting for trump. This is going to go sideways. I have said it for well over a year, and I think it is going to get bad fast. What happens after that first flare will determine the future of the country. I think it is going to be chaos, I think there will be an attempt for large scale lockdown loosely citing covid to prevent protesting, which used to be covid proof, but I guess protests are no longer covid proof.
The thing that is going to go sour, no matter who is in the white house, is the press has made some missteps here. We all knew they were extremely biased, and now with people like Tapper and Cuomo (remember they are the network who hunted down the dude posting memes and got him to *change his ways*) and their comments.... THey are going to trigger that Tim mcveigh out there. When that happens, instead of an entire country understanding how evil and bad someone like that is, there is going to be a whole lot of "I see how someone could do something like that".
This is going to go sideways. I have said it for well over a year, and I think it is going to get bad fast. What happens after that first flare will determine the future of the country. I think it is going to be chaos, I think there will be an attempt for large scale lockdown loosely citing covid to prevent protesting, which used to be covid proof, but I guess protests are no longer covid proof.
El paso was not political, it was a nut off his meds. You will get something political, something like what you see when cells in France decide to do something, like the Bataclan. The El paso shooting was as political as the dude at the pulse night club IMO. Not so much. McVeigh, on its face is more what you should expect. A cell of 10 trained men can do insurmountable damage. They also are not so likely to shoot wal mart shoppers, and a whole lot more likely to pop into CNN while broadcasting and make a mess.The thing that is going to go sour, no matter who is in the white house, is the press has made some missteps here. We all knew they were extremely biased, and now with people like Tapper and Cuomo (remember they are the network who hunted down the dude posting memes and got him to *change his ways*) and their comments.... THey are going to trigger that Tim mcveigh out there. When that happens, instead of an entire country understanding how evil and bad someone like that is, there is going to be a whole lot of "I see how someone could do something like that".This is going to go sideways. I have said it for well over a year, and I think it is going to get bad fast. What happens after that first flare will determine the future of the country. I think it is going to be chaos, I think there will be an attempt for large scale lockdown loosely citing covid to prevent protesting, which used to be covid proof, but I guess protests are no longer covid proof.
I tend to agree that with increased hyper-partisanship, we're more likely to see something like this. We've already had major events like last year's El Paso shooting that killed 23, so it's not a stretch to imagine that it might escalate towards a 168-death attack like McVeigh's.
However, that said, I think that while there would be more who support such an attack - the vast majority would abhor it, and it would overall reduce the popularity of their cause. This year, I think the violence associated with the George Floyd protests hurt the popularity of Black Lives Matter. That has pushed liberals more towards the center. I think acts of violence would similarly hurt the popularity of the right-wing causes.
We'll still be hyper-partisan because social media and other sources profit from outrage and clickbait, but once it starts being real-life violence instead of clicks on one's smartphone, the mainstream lose their taste for the extreme.
Trump lost, there is no voter fraud. Drink a fifth of your favorite liquor and let it go.
Greetings!
I read an article that discussed how Biden and Harris are going to tear down the Wall, and totally destroy Trump's immigration policies. No bans, no restrictions, anyone and everyone can just fucking pour into the country. More than 11 million illegal immigrants in the country Biden plans to make citizens during his first 100 days in office.
Globalist, cock-sucking Marxists. Oh, well, Biden isn't a Marxist--he's a moderate.
You fucking drooling moron. If he goes along with Marxists and lets fucking Globalist Marxists fucking run everything, it isn't necessary for Biden to be a card-carrying Marxist. Millions of drooling, brain-fucked idiots are heavily influenced by Marxists goddamned ideology without thinking of themselves as being officially *Marxists*--but that stupid fucking delusion doesn't take anything way from the fact that they are still standing by and helping Marxists fuck everyone else in the ass.
Fucking simple minded jackasses. Learn how Marxism has infiltrated our entire society, from government, to social policy, to education, entertainment, and the media. It's influence is everywhere, and fucking deep, and has only been getting stronger and more pervasive over the whole population at large for decades.
Fucking smug idiots. Learn about how psychological warfare and propaganda works to shift and influence cultures.
I know exactly what the fuck I'm talking about. And I don't give a fuck about some idealistic naïve fuck in some "Democratic Socialist" country that believes socialism is all sweet and fucking dandy. They are still naïve, and have been compromised in varying degrees. If some people love socialism in fucking Europe or elsewhere, well, good for them! That doesn't mean that we here in America need to swallow that shit down!
LENIN said "The Goal of Socialism is Communism. Socialism is but a way station on the way to Communism."
GLOBALISM is deeply Marxist, and embraces Marxism. Globalists--all the cock sucking technocrats and corporate cockroaches some of you try and make distinctions for--guess what? They are just fine with allying with and using Marxism to get what they want. Just because they don't explicitly claim to be or support Marxism doesn't mean they still aren't Marxists. And another thing--Marxism always has an elite, wealthy cream at the top that rules over the hordes of the unwashed masses. Where do you fucking think the Globalist Technocrats see themselves being?
Some of you claim to be educated and sophisticated, but goddamn, some of you can't fucking see the forest before the trees. You try and make all these petty distinctions, that seem to be there on the surface--but totally miss the deeper connections, the deeper motivations, the deeper goals.
And also, the whole mail-in voting fraud? Are you people that fucking brain dead and numb? A commission led by Jimmy Carter 10 years or more back said that mail in voting was rife with fraud and corruption. The fucking New York Times--such an alt-right conservative rag, right? Did an investigation years back where they also said that mail-in voting was fucking corrupt as all fuck. Then, just recently, all over the mainstream, liberal, cock-sucking news--there were several different elections, I think in New York, Michigan, Jersey, and maybe somewhere else, where there were thousands of fraud votes and corrupt bullshit going on--and delays of weeks and months in sorting out the fucking mess--but somehow, now, in this presidential election, you don't think there's the potential for fraud and fuckery going on with MILLIONS of mail in votes? And somehow, the delays in counting and processing have somehow conveniently occurred in closely contested battleground states--but no, no, Republicans are a bunch of conspiracy idiots for demanding investigations and deeper supervision of the whole process? Geesus, people.
Just like millions of drooling, brainwashed fucking sheep in this country, that can't see beyond their fucking face and their own doorstep. As long as they get to keep fucking, keep snorting, gulping down cheeseburgers and mac and cheese, and light up a blunt, and get a fucking check from the government--more free stuff!--what the fuck do they care? They are blind and choking on shit. They are so easily led and manipulated. Like fucking cattle, fattened for the slaughter, with a fucking nose ring through their nose. Yay! I can get a new piercing this weekend and a new tramp stamp on my fat fucking ass! Get you some juice, baby!!!
All such fat, bloated sheep, pumped full of Marxist jello. The snot dripping from their nose as they cackle and giggle like stupid bitches like AOC. Dancing in the streets, drunk with wine and debauchery, while Rome burns.
So tragic. And meanwhile, yeah, fucking morons. Remember when Biden aligned himself with Bernie, AOC, Buttiegeg, and Beto O'Rourke, promising them all positions of glory, power, and authority? What the fuck do you think their plans for America are going to do to the country? Fucking Harris was EQUITY OF OUTCOME, not equality. But yeah, that's right. Don't get upset. Don't get "butthurt" about any of it. Just enjoy the plough fucking you in the ass.
There are a lot of drooling morons in this country. How anyone can seriously listen to the plans and programs of Biden and Harris, and their lackies and toadies, and think all of that isn't terrible for this country? What the Fuck? Reparations? Redistribution of wealth? Fucking robbery and theft. Higher taxes? Open the fucking gates of immigration? Are you fucking insane? Disarm the country, and confiscate firearms. Yay, Harris and O'Rourke! They have said they are going to do that, too. "Mandatory Gun By-backs"--that's gun confiscation for the mentally slow. AOC and the "Green New Deal". Bernie's "Medicare For All"--all of these enormous programs that will absolutely bankrupt the country and send us into poverty and servitude. On and fucking on. But that's right. Lots of drooling fucking sheep just smile stupidly and think it's all one big fucking party. Yay! Miley Cyrus thinks that. One big party for America!
And I am certainly not ranting delusionally--nor is anyone else here that has argued similar points to my rant here--we are not "extreme" or some other BS. These policies and plans have all been discussed and embraced by Biden, Harris, and their fucking toads. I didn't make this awful shit up. This stuff is the ideology and policies of these goddamned Marxist clowns.
Fucking mind boggling.
Semper Fidelis,
SHARK
Greetings!
Sebastian Gorka on the America First program reads a letter from two senior Senators of the Michigan legislature and commentary on the election.
These legislators vouch that there is evidence of fraud and corruption, contrary to the fucking MSM shrieking that there's no evidence of fraud!
Semper Fidelis,
SHARK
Trump lost, there is no voter fraud. Drink a fifth of your favorite liquor and let it go.
Exactly. The same people who insisted that Russia helped Trump get elected by interfering now claim that interference is either not happening or "not widespread".Trump lost, there is no voter fraud. Drink a fifth of your favorite liquor and let it go.
What I love about the repeated claim that "there is no voter fraud", is that if the people claiming this really believed it, then they wouldn't be insisting on it so loudly. They would just wait for the investigations to prove them right and then laugh at Trump voters. Case closed.
Instead, they are like a scene out of the Wizard of Oz continually and shrilly telling us to pay no attention to the Man Behind The Curtain.
Trump lost, there is no voter fraud. Drink a fifth of your favorite liquor and let it go.
What I love about the repeated claim that "there is no voter fraud", is that if the people claiming this really believed it, then they wouldn't be insisting on it so loudly. They would just wait for the investigations to prove them right and then laugh at Trump voters. Case closed.
Instead, they are like a scene out of the Wizard of Oz continually and shrilly telling us to pay no attention to the Man Behind The Curtain.
What I love about the repeated claim that "there is no voter fraud", is that if the people claiming this really believed it, then they wouldn't be insisting on it so loudly. They would just wait for the investigations to prove them right and then laugh at Trump voters. Case closed.
Instead, they are like a scene out of the Wizard of Oz continually and shrilly telling us to pay no attention to the Man Behind The Curtain.
There was and IS Voter Fraud.Widespread does not mean it was significant. It can actually mean the opposite--that the concentration was insignificant. For example, 10,000 false votes spread across 50 states makes far less difference than the same number of false votes concentrated in a key area.
It was very widespread.
It is also Very Difficult to prove.
One side is just better at being corrupt and criminal than the other side.
Just look at the Chicago political machine of the 1960s....
- Ed C.
Well, there was none, then was some, now it is widespread, but not enough to change the outcome. Those goalposts seem to move alot. I have no idea if there was enough fraud in the sense of fake ballot stuffing to have any effect. But there was most certainly fraud. That is where the faith gets undermined, as if you can see obvious fraud you never know how much more there is. The BS was widespread mail in voting. The stink around the whole thing will be the issue no matter the outcome, whether the stink wafts away or turns to rot, dunno. We will see. I do know the press has acted in a way where they are proclaiming enemies, and making threats. That gets people killed.There was and IS Voter Fraud.Widespread does not mean it was significant. It can actually mean the opposite--that the concentration was insignificant. For example, 10,000 false votes spread across 50 states makes far less difference than the same number of false votes concentrated in a key area.
It was very widespread.
It is also Very Difficult to prove.
One side is just better at being corrupt and criminal than the other side.
Just look at the Chicago political machine of the 1960s....
- Ed C.
I have to laugh at that one, since it seems to ignore a very loud, very shrill press that proclaimed no evidence of voter fraud whatsoever, and keeps sliding the goalposts on that one. But thanks for the laugh. But I would agree both sides of that discussion are way too emotionally invested to want facts at this point. Both just want results, and that gets a little dangerous.
What I love about the repeated claim that "there is no voter fraud", is that if the people claiming this really believed it, then they wouldn't be insisting on it so loudly. They would just wait for the investigations to prove them right and then laugh at Trump voters. Case closed.
Instead, they are like a scene out of the Wizard of Oz continually and shrilly telling us to pay no attention to the Man Behind The Curtain.
What I love about the repeated claim that "there is widespread, significant voter fraud", is that if the people claiming this really believed it, then they wouldn't be insisting on it so loudly. They would just wait for the investigations to prove them right and then laugh at Biden voters. Case closed.
Instead, they are like a scene out of the Wizard of Oz continually and shrilly telling us to pay no attention to the facts.
I have to laugh at that one, since it seems to ignore a very loud, very shrill press that proclaimed no evidence of voter fraud whatsoever, and keeps sliding the goalposts on that one. But thanks for the laugh. But I would agree both sides of that discussion are way too emotionally invested to want facts at this point. Both just want results, and that gets a little dangerous.
What I love about the repeated claim that "there is no voter fraud", is that if the people claiming this really believed it, then they wouldn't be insisting on it so loudly. They would just wait for the investigations to prove them right and then laugh at Trump voters. Case closed.
Instead, they are like a scene out of the Wizard of Oz continually and shrilly telling us to pay no attention to the Man Behind The Curtain.
What I love about the repeated claim that "there is widespread, significant voter fraud", is that if the people claiming this really believed it, then they wouldn't be insisting on it so loudly. They would just wait for the investigations to prove them right and then laugh at Biden voters. Case closed.
Instead, they are like a scene out of the Wizard of Oz continually and shrilly telling us to pay no attention to the facts.
I have to laugh at that one, since it seems to ignore a very loud, very shrill press that proclaimed no evidence of voter fraud whatsoever, and keeps sliding the goalposts on that one. But thanks for the laugh. But I would agree both sides of that discussion are way too emotionally invested to want facts at this point. Both just want results, and that gets a little dangerous.
Who needs votes or even Democracy if all that matters is "reasons and feels" and not the actual process of legitimate and fair elections.
Say what you will about the evils of Nepotism because on the other hand we have peace in the Middle East.
Billy Carter arranged the Camp David Accords? Or Roger Clinton gets credit for the Israel-Jordan Peace Treaty?
Oh, you mean normalization of relations between Israel and countries that never fought wars with Israel. ::)
Yes, that is what peace means "normalisation"
Is he still calling himself "Doctor"?
Also, what would a Biden cabinet look like (https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/who-are-contenders-for-biden-s-cabinet/ar-BB1aUhVz?ocid=msedgntp)?
Non-criminal. Non-nepotistic. Competent.
Obviously you haven't heard about Hunter Biden, son of Joe Biden......
There was and IS Voter Fraud.
It was very widespread.
It is also Very Difficult to prove.
One side is just better at being corrupt and criminal than the other side.
Just look at the Chicago political machine of the 1960s....
I have to laugh at that one, since it seems to ignore a very loud, very shrill press that proclaimed no evidence of voter fraud whatsoever, and keeps sliding the goalposts on that one. But thanks for the laugh. But I would agree both sides of that discussion are way too emotionally invested to want facts at this point. Both just want results, and that gets a little dangerous.
We can laugh about this all (I am enjoying the shit-talking), but I am really concerned that the confidence of Americans in our media and electoral system has been permanently damaged by these events.
The president’s Department of Homeland Security contradicted the President by declaring that the election “was the most secure in American history” and that “there is no evidence” any voting systems malfunctioned.Yeah the bureaucrats always listened to him the last 4 years too... ::) They can't easily be fired, they were there before him and they will be there after him.
The president’s Department of Homeland Security contradicted the President by declaring that the election “was the most secure in American history” and that “there is no evidence” any voting systems malfunctioned.Yeah the bureaucrats always listened to him the last 4 years too... ::) They can't easily be fired, they were there before him and they will be there after him.
I'll just vote Libertarian now on for President since they can fraud the blue cities to overturn any candidate I vote for. Perhaps the down ballot stuff will be genuine, most of the time.
Then again, we may not have a country in 4 years of President Harris.
This is quite the massive conspiracy the Democrats are able to pull off if you think they control that many state elections and the Federal Government and the judges. With competency like that, why are you bothered by them?Are you really trying to pretend that the Federal Bureaucracy is not overwhelmingly left, as the left grows and sustains the bureaucracy?
This is quite the massive conspiracy the Democrats are able to pull off if you think they control that many state elections and the Federal Government and the judges. With competency like that, why are you bothered by them?Are you really trying to pretend that the Federal Bureaucracy is not overwhelmingly left, as the left grows and sustains the bureaucracy?
https://freebeacon.com/politics/federal-government-workers-donating-overwhelmingly-democrats/
https://www.fedsmith.com/2020/01/27/federal-employees-unions-political-donations/
And competency to do what? To fuck over the middle class? To shred the rights of those with "wrongthink", to try to take all the guns? Fuck your "competency."
It took 2 states to steal the election in 1960 for Kennedy. This time, it took 3 to 5. It's not unbelievable in any way, shape or form.
Edited to remove ad hominem.
Allow me to break it down for you.
We can laugh about this all (I am enjoying the shit-talking), but I am really concerned that the confidence of Americans in our media and electoral system has been permanently damaged by these events.
We have to get over the feeling that it can’t happen here.
It’s been happening here for years. The US is not special; it’s people are, but not the apparatus nor the process.
The desire to believe money and power work differently here because we have the Constitution is very helpful. To some.
Pennsylvania court: Secretary of state lacked authority to change deadline 2 days before Election Day
Judge ruled ballots that were previously set aside should not be counted
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/pennsylvania-court-secretary-of-state-changed-deadline
Allow me to break it down for you.
That's actually not bad. Where do you put Marx in that?
Gore had 37 days to deal with one state issue, but Trump only has 8-9 days left?
That confidence is riding at an all time high!
Our Electoral system has always had problems, but the extreme polarization of the political parties are putting additional stress on the Electoral system. It is worth putting additional resources into strengthening the electoral process, and this should be accomplished by non-affiliated people who are not earning a living as either part of the government or private industry/Corporations. Plus what Rawma says above. Too many shitnags trying to unduly influence the elections for personal gain.Gamedaddy - Both Pat and I responded to your earlier claim. You stated that the odds are 308 to 1 that the vote would be that close in the three states.
What do you suppose the odds are statistically speaking that we have elections in three states PA, GA, AZ with a combined population of 15,400,000 people voting, and the separation of all three combined vote tallies is less than 50,000.
The odds are 308 to 1 the vote should be that close in three states combined.
So this is not an accident. Nor is the narrow race apparently the result of people just voting.
Who needs votes or even Democracy if all that matters is "reasons and feels" and not the actual process of legitimate and fair elections.
Allow me to break it down for you.
Way back in the seventeenth century the Enlightenment thinkers, perhaps most fundamentally Locke, determined that Reason alone could determine objective truth. Needless to say this caught on like wildfire and saw such developments as Twitter and TikTok.
Kant, who largely agreed with the enlightenment thinkers, however, had a problem in that he was a pretty religious guy and Religious thinkers all the way back to the eleventh century and probably earlier, had recognized that too much reason eventually led to a loss of Faith. Faith, of course, holds that Objective Truth is only available through God*. So, Kant wrote his Critique of Pure Reason, which holds that the mind (the seat of Reason) cannot know objective reality because it doesn't directly interact with reality... it only knows what our deeply flawed and imperfect senses tell us.
Now, to speed this up: This eventually spawned a 'Counter-Enlightenment' which is fundamentally defined by its opposition to Reason. Kirkegaard (spelling. I know.), among other post-Kant philosophers of the Counter-Enlightenment, enshrined Emotion as the arbiter of Truth, to put it exceedingly crudely. This, btw, is also where you find Nietzche (Spelling, again. Fuckign moon languages, man...) and his 'Will to Power', which is fundamentally what I used to consider Telelogical thought, but can now see as more clearly Counter-Enlightenment.
Socialists were all quite happily on the Counter-Enlightenment side, as are most modern Progressives, which is bizzare when you realize their political philosophy is attached at the hip to the idea of science and smart guys leading us all to a perfectly ordered techno-utopia.
In conclusion (or TL;DR if you like): While most modern Leftists are probably not remotely cognizent of all this (though to be sure the Post-Modernist philosophers such as Foucalt and Derrida absolutely were), the have been immersed in a milieu informed entirely of this means of looking at the world for most of their lives. For them rejecting Objective Truth and Reason in favor of Feels is not a bug, its a feature. Whether they know it or not, they simply don't respect Reason.
*Yes, I know. There are OTHER religions out there. Don't be a pedant.
Nice little narrative there, but...is your implication that Righties have better respect for Reason? Certainly, many libertarians tend to fetishize Reason, but most on the Right aren't really libertarian, at least ideologically.
Keep denying the results! For me, every day is like enjoying a new Biden victory!
I particularly love how "The Democrats are incompetent" is somehow now seen as compatible with "The Democrats pulled off a conspiracy in 8 states simultaneously to change the federal election". Though somehow they couldn't pull off that same fraud, with those same ballots, to get the Senate or increase their seats in the House or the State legislatures. Because...reasons.It makes as much sense as the idea that the Russians intervened in the 2016 election, but not 2018 or 2020. Did they just get bored with US politics? :D
Some interesting information,So this claims that "Biden underperformed Hillary Clinton in every major metro area around the country, save for Milwaukee, Detroit, Atlanta and Philadelphia." However, that goes blatantly against the numbers I see. I just checked a few cities out of curiousity.
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2020/11/pollster-noticed-joe-biden-underperformed-hillary-clinton-except-four-cities/
https://nypost.com/2020/11/14/biden-cancer-initiative-spent-millions-on-payroll-zero-on-research-report/
https://twitter.com/thebias_news/status/1327755662462382080
https://twitter.com/SidneyPowell1/status/1327871455594500102
https://twitter.com/kylenabecker/status/1327511568993701888
https://twitter.com/MajorPatriot/status/1327979176478076930
I have frequently read about Russian interference. I couldn't find a good summary article per se, but there is a Wikipedia page:I particularly love how "The Democrats are incompetent" is somehow now seen as compatible with "The Democrats pulled off a conspiracy in 8 states simultaneously to change the federal election". Though somehow they couldn't pull off that same fraud, with those same ballots, to get the Senate or increase their seats in the House or the State legislatures. Because...reasons.It makes as much sense as the idea that the Russians intervened in the 2016 election, but not 2018 or 2020. Did they just get bored with US politics? :D
Even if creaky old Joe wins
I particularly love how "The Democrats are incompetent" is somehow now seen as compatible with "The Democrats pulled off a conspiracy in 8 states simultaneously to change the federal election". Though somehow they couldn't pull off that same fraud, with those same ballots, to get the Senate or increase their seats in the House or the State legislatures. Because...reasons.It makes as much sense as the idea that the Russians intervened in the 2016 election, but not 2018 or 2020. Did they just get bored with US politics? :D
Even if creaky old Joe wins
Oh good. Progress!
I am open to a full forensic audit of the vote and using the secret service ink database to see if the VBM or absentee votes have normal distribution of ink types. So I'm not shut off from the possibility. But I'm absolutely not open to the idea that the media and political actors of this country would respect the process.
Pennsylvania court: Secretary of state lacked authority to change deadline 2 days before Election Day
Judge ruled ballots that were previously set aside should not be counted
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/pennsylvania-court-secretary-of-state-changed-deadline
I just checked Marc E. Elias's twitter feed and apparently Trump and allies have one win against 20 losses. The single win which you report affected ballots in Pennsylvania which had not been counted or added to anyone's total. Not a case that's going to affect the 66,000+ Biden lead in that state at all, let alone swing a state result.
The only good meme I've seen about this was the one saying 'Not My President Season 2 starts 1/20/21, with an all new cast!'.
Which I admit was pretty funny.
But if you lefties don't think we're not going to do unto you what you spent four years doing to us? Well... it must be nice to be so easily surprised.
Is he still calling himself "Doctor"?
While it is a bit pretentious, Gorka does have a doctorate in Political Science. Strictly speaking, he isn't wrong.
Stop Calling Him 'Dr.': The Academic Fraud of Sebastian Gorka, Trump’s Terrorism 'Expert'
The only formally qualified examiner for Gorka’s Ph.D. on a panel packed with personal friends was an extreme right-wing Hungarian MEP who recently advocated putting pigs heads on a fence on the Hungarian border to keep out Muslims
Early on a mustache-twirling villain emerged as the face of the Trump White House. With the mannerisms of a pompous English B-movie baddy, Sebastian Gorka is to Donald Trump what the Sheriff of Nottingham was to King John. The malevolent sidekick.
Dr. Gorka styles himself as the crusading academic. A Kissinger for our troubled times. The brilliant scholar of terrorism who has taught at elite colleges and published groundbreaking research. He often reminds the imbeciles of the press that as a man of great learning only he truly comprehends the threat of Muslims.
But experts have listened to Gorka’s advocacy of the Muslim ban, attacks on the media and sterling defence of Trump’s “well-oiled’ administration and wondered how could such a well trained academic make such baseless and ignorant claims about topics he purports to be an expert on? In March he became embroiled in a remarkable spat with a Republican National Security consultant, Michael S. Smith. Gorka is flailing widely – tilting at enemies real and imagined.
I started digging and it didn’t take long to find out that Gorka is a fraud – a charlatan of the most brazen hue – a snake-oil salesman whose supposed Ph.D dissertation would have never passed muster in America or Britain and to put the cherry on the cake was approved by an fraudulent panel of examiners. The polar opposite of Lt. Gen H.R. McMasters’ celebrated dissertation awarded by UNC Chapel Hill.
Gorka is Hungarian-English. He gained an American passport in 2012. His nationalist parents fled to London from Budapest in 1956. His dissertation – Content and End-State-based Alteration in the Practice of Political Violence since the End of the Cold War: the difference between the terrorism of the Cold War and the terrorism of al Qaeda: the rise of the “transcendental terrorist, was apparently granted in 2007 by Corvinus University of Budapest.
The tract is long on Islamophobia and the unsubstantiated claims of the polemicist but short on theory, evidence or academic rigor. Corvinus is not an institution with a profile, so I looked: sadly it doesn’t even make the top 1,000 in the Times Higher Education World University Rankings.
Even Gorka’s attendance poses a mystery. When exactly was he a graduate student at the university? Did he take classes? Did he receive any training in Islam or Islamic studies? His CV notes that he left Hungary in 2004 to work for the U.S. Defense Department in Germany and then in 2008 relocated to the U.S. There is no evidence that he ever returned to live and study in Budapest.
The dissertation is online and includes the ‘evaluations’ of three referees who each presented a page of generalized comments – completely at odds with the detailed substantive and methodological evaluations that I’ve seen at every Ph.D defence I’ve been on over the last twenty years.
Two of the three referees did not even have a Ph.D. One was the U.S. Defense Attaché at the American Embassy in Budapest at the time, while the other was employed at the UK’s Defence Academy and just had a BA from Manchester University awarded in 1969.
This ‘neutral’ examiner had published a book in Hungary with Gorka three years previously. While graduate students sometimes collaborate with their advisors the independent external examiners must have no nepotistic ties with the candidate.
More important, a basic principle of assessing educational achievement is that your examiners have at least the degree level of the degree they are awarding. Undergraduates do not award Ph.Ds.
In Gorka’s case the only examiner who lists a doctorate was György Schöpflin – an extreme right wing Hungarian Member of the European Parliament who recently advocated putting pigs heads on a fence on the Hungarian border to keep out Muslims. I have been told that Schöpflin was a family friend. Both Schöpflin and Gorka’s father fled from Budapest to London in the 1950s and both moved in exile right-wing nationalist circles.
If that is true, we are left in sum with a degree that was awarded in absence – on the basis of a dissertation without basic political science methodological underpinnings – and apparently from an examining committee of two of Gorka’s diplomat friends, with only BA degrees; along with an old family friend, Schöpflin.
In sum, Gorka’s Ph.D is about as legitimate as if he had been awarded it by Trump University. Facts matter, but so does the gathering, synthesizing and creation of knowledge that is what we call ‘education.’ If you fake a Ph.D you are faking your credentials. He delivers provable untruths to the American public but is believed by many because he presents himself as an esteemed scholar of Islam. Gorka would never have got away with such chutzpah in the UK.
Experience and scholarship work in harness to produce answers to questions. When you have neither experience nor training you are likely to not merely get the answers wrong, but not even have an inkling of which questions to ask.
Clearly Gorka yearns to be taken seriously and he uses the "Dr." credentials in a way that no one who earned the degree would ever do. In his 2016 screed, Defeating Jihad: The Winnable War, he is Dr. Sebastian Gorka on the front cover.
Tacky or just an alternative fact? This is the man we have as a chief national security advisor to the President. That may not change, but lets give him the professional respect he deserves and stop calling him ‘Dr.’
Andrew Reynolds is a Professor of Political Science at the University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill.Follow him on Twitter: @AndyReynoldsUNC
I particularly love how "The Democrats are incompetent" is somehow now seen as compatible with "The Democrats pulled off a conspiracy in 8 states simultaneously to change the federal election". Though somehow they couldn't pull off that same fraud, with those same ballots, to get the Senate or increase their seats in the House or the State legislatures. Because...reasons.It makes as much sense as the idea that the Russians intervened in the 2016 election, but not 2018 or 2020. Did they just get bored with US politics? :D
Even if creaky old Joe wins
Oh good. Progress!
Towards what? I've pointed out that the election isn't over until the electors are selected and they cast their votes. Biden is not the President elect.
"President-elect" is not an official term, at least according to Wikipedia. But to 80% of the US population--and 99% of the world--yes, he is.
Oh fuck, I’m on the opposite side of an argument from Elfdart using fap emojis - that’s the universe telling you there’s no reason to doubt!
The counter-arguers:
Lincoln Project crushees
Fact-checking analysts who believe the phrase “head on a pike” is not a metaphor
Assorted leftists more gleeful than any time since before they learned what “catfishing” was
Elfdart, more gleeful than any time since before he learned he could no longer catfish them
Yes, I think with opposition like this I need to reconsider RIGHT NOW before all the facts that could be, are put before a court
I nominally agree, but you're unspeakably naive if you think those threats are merely metaphorical.Oh fuck, I’m on the opposite side of an argument from Elfdart using fap emojis - that’s the universe telling you there’s no reason to doubt!
The counter-arguers:
Lincoln Project crushees
Fact-checking analysts who believe the phrase “head on a pike” is not a metaphor
Assorted leftists more gleeful than any time since before they learned what “catfishing” was
Elfdart, more gleeful than any time since before he learned he could no longer catfish them
Yes, I think with opposition like this I need to reconsider RIGHT NOW before all the facts that could be, are put before a court
It seems to me that different people have different positions that fall along a spectrum, rather than just us-vs-them. Specifically about fraud, at one extreme, RandyB believes that there were over 40 million fraudulent votes cast for Biden. I'm not sure who is the other extreme on this forum - but there are certainly some liberals in general who now reflexively dismiss claims of fraud without critical thought -- just as there are some conservatives who reflexively believe claims of fraud without critical thought.
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Also, I think I'm the one being called out over the "head on a pike". For the record, I agree that it was metaphorical, but I don't think that makes it acceptable. Specifically, I was responding to this article posted by shuddemell that calls out liberals for making metaphorical death threats:
https://thefederalist.com/2020/10/26/7-open-leftist-threats-that-political-terror-is-coming-to-america-whether-trump-wins-or-not/
I agreed with the article that the metaphorical death threats by liberals was wrong.
Even if creaky old Joe wins
Oh good. Progress!
Towards what? I've pointed out that the election isn't over until the electors are selected and they cast their votes. Biden is not the President elect.
"President-elect" is not an official term, at least according to Wikipedia. But to 80% of the US population--and 99% of the world--yes, he is.
Is he still calling himself "Doctor"?
While it is a bit pretentious, Gorka does have a doctorate in Political Science. Strictly speaking, he isn't wrong.
He's a "doctor" like Tom Parker was a "colonel":
Haaretz (https://www.haaretz.com/opinion/the-academic-fraud-of-trumps-terrorism-expert-1.5465216)QuoteStop Calling Him 'Dr.': The Academic Fraud of Sebastian Gorka, Trump’s Terrorism 'Expert'
The only formally qualified examiner for Gorka’s Ph.D. on a panel packed with personal friends was an extreme right-wing Hungarian MEP who recently advocated putting pigs heads on a fence on the Hungarian border to keep out Muslims
Early on a mustache-twirling villain emerged as the face of the Trump White House. With the mannerisms of a pompous English B-movie baddy, Sebastian Gorka is to Donald Trump what the Sheriff of Nottingham was to King John. The malevolent sidekick.
Dr. Gorka styles himself as the crusading academic. A Kissinger for our troubled times. The brilliant scholar of terrorism who has taught at elite colleges and published groundbreaking research. He often reminds the imbeciles of the press that as a man of great learning only he truly comprehends the threat of Muslims.
But experts have listened to Gorka’s advocacy of the Muslim ban, attacks on the media and sterling defence of Trump’s “well-oiled’ administration and wondered how could such a well trained academic make such baseless and ignorant claims about topics he purports to be an expert on? In March he became embroiled in a remarkable spat with a Republican National Security consultant, Michael S. Smith. Gorka is flailing widely – tilting at enemies real and imagined.
I started digging and it didn’t take long to find out that Gorka is a fraud – a charlatan of the most brazen hue – a snake-oil salesman whose supposed Ph.D dissertation would have never passed muster in America or Britain and to put the cherry on the cake was approved by an fraudulent panel of examiners. The polar opposite of Lt. Gen H.R. McMasters’ celebrated dissertation awarded by UNC Chapel Hill.
Gorka is Hungarian-English. He gained an American passport in 2012. His nationalist parents fled to London from Budapest in 1956. His dissertation – Content and End-State-based Alteration in the Practice of Political Violence since the End of the Cold War: the difference between the terrorism of the Cold War and the terrorism of al Qaeda: the rise of the “transcendental terrorist, was apparently granted in 2007 by Corvinus University of Budapest.
The tract is long on Islamophobia and the unsubstantiated claims of the polemicist but short on theory, evidence or academic rigor. Corvinus is not an institution with a profile, so I looked: sadly it doesn’t even make the top 1,000 in the Times Higher Education World University Rankings.
Even Gorka’s attendance poses a mystery. When exactly was he a graduate student at the university? Did he take classes? Did he receive any training in Islam or Islamic studies? His CV notes that he left Hungary in 2004 to work for the U.S. Defense Department in Germany and then in 2008 relocated to the U.S. There is no evidence that he ever returned to live and study in Budapest.
The dissertation is online and includes the ‘evaluations’ of three referees who each presented a page of generalized comments – completely at odds with the detailed substantive and methodological evaluations that I’ve seen at every Ph.D defence I’ve been on over the last twenty years.
Two of the three referees did not even have a Ph.D. One was the U.S. Defense Attaché at the American Embassy in Budapest at the time, while the other was employed at the UK’s Defence Academy and just had a BA from Manchester University awarded in 1969.
This ‘neutral’ examiner had published a book in Hungary with Gorka three years previously. While graduate students sometimes collaborate with their advisors the independent external examiners must have no nepotistic ties with the candidate.
More important, a basic principle of assessing educational achievement is that your examiners have at least the degree level of the degree they are awarding. Undergraduates do not award Ph.Ds.
In Gorka’s case the only examiner who lists a doctorate was György Schöpflin – an extreme right wing Hungarian Member of the European Parliament who recently advocated putting pigs heads on a fence on the Hungarian border to keep out Muslims. I have been told that Schöpflin was a family friend. Both Schöpflin and Gorka’s father fled from Budapest to London in the 1950s and both moved in exile right-wing nationalist circles.
If that is true, we are left in sum with a degree that was awarded in absence – on the basis of a dissertation without basic political science methodological underpinnings – and apparently from an examining committee of two of Gorka’s diplomat friends, with only BA degrees; along with an old family friend, Schöpflin.
In sum, Gorka’s Ph.D is about as legitimate as if he had been awarded it by Trump University. Facts matter, but so does the gathering, synthesizing and creation of knowledge that is what we call ‘education.’ If you fake a Ph.D you are faking your credentials. He delivers provable untruths to the American public but is believed by many because he presents himself as an esteemed scholar of Islam. Gorka would never have got away with such chutzpah in the UK.
Experience and scholarship work in harness to produce answers to questions. When you have neither experience nor training you are likely to not merely get the answers wrong, but not even have an inkling of which questions to ask.
Clearly Gorka yearns to be taken seriously and he uses the "Dr." credentials in a way that no one who earned the degree would ever do. In his 2016 screed, Defeating Jihad: The Winnable War, he is Dr. Sebastian Gorka on the front cover.
Tacky or just an alternative fact? This is the man we have as a chief national security advisor to the President. That may not change, but lets give him the professional respect he deserves and stop calling him ‘Dr.’
Andrew Reynolds is a Professor of Political Science at the University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill.Follow him on Twitter: @AndyReynoldsUNC
So Gorka earned his PhD the way Elvis earned his blackbelt? LOFL!
Strange isn't it, how out of all the right-wing thinkers, the ones that attract the biggest following are crackpots (Marvin Olasky, Jordan Peterson), frauds (Gorka) or outright Nazis (Charles Murray).
Is he still calling himself "Doctor"?
While it is a bit pretentious, Gorka does have a doctorate in Political Science. Strictly speaking, he isn't wrong.
He's a "doctor" like Tom Parker was a "colonel":
Haaretz (https://www.haaretz.com/opinion/the-academic-fraud-of-trumps-terrorism-expert-1.5465216)QuoteStop Calling Him 'Dr.': The Academic Fraud of Sebastian Gorka, Trump’s Terrorism 'Expert'
The only formally qualified examiner for Gorka’s Ph.D. on a panel packed with personal friends was an extreme right-wing Hungarian MEP who recently advocated putting pigs heads on a fence on the Hungarian border to keep out Muslims
Early on a mustache-twirling villain emerged as the face of the Trump White House. With the mannerisms of a pompous English B-movie baddy, Sebastian Gorka is to Donald Trump what the Sheriff of Nottingham was to King John. The malevolent sidekick.
Dr. Gorka styles himself as the crusading academic. A Kissinger for our troubled times. The brilliant scholar of terrorism who has taught at elite colleges and published groundbreaking research. He often reminds the imbeciles of the press that as a man of great learning only he truly comprehends the threat of Muslims.
But experts have listened to Gorka’s advocacy of the Muslim ban, attacks on the media and sterling defence of Trump’s “well-oiled’ administration and wondered how could such a well trained academic make such baseless and ignorant claims about topics he purports to be an expert on? In March he became embroiled in a remarkable spat with a Republican National Security consultant, Michael S. Smith. Gorka is flailing widely – tilting at enemies real and imagined.
I started digging and it didn’t take long to find out that Gorka is a fraud – a charlatan of the most brazen hue – a snake-oil salesman whose supposed Ph.D dissertation would have never passed muster in America or Britain and to put the cherry on the cake was approved by an fraudulent panel of examiners. The polar opposite of Lt. Gen H.R. McMasters’ celebrated dissertation awarded by UNC Chapel Hill.
Gorka is Hungarian-English. He gained an American passport in 2012. His nationalist parents fled to London from Budapest in 1956. His dissertation – Content and End-State-based Alteration in the Practice of Political Violence since the End of the Cold War: the difference between the terrorism of the Cold War and the terrorism of al Qaeda: the rise of the “transcendental terrorist, was apparently granted in 2007 by Corvinus University of Budapest.
The tract is long on Islamophobia and the unsubstantiated claims of the polemicist but short on theory, evidence or academic rigor. Corvinus is not an institution with a profile, so I looked: sadly it doesn’t even make the top 1,000 in the Times Higher Education World University Rankings.
Even Gorka’s attendance poses a mystery. When exactly was he a graduate student at the university? Did he take classes? Did he receive any training in Islam or Islamic studies? His CV notes that he left Hungary in 2004 to work for the U.S. Defense Department in Germany and then in 2008 relocated to the U.S. There is no evidence that he ever returned to live and study in Budapest.
The dissertation is online and includes the ‘evaluations’ of three referees who each presented a page of generalized comments – completely at odds with the detailed substantive and methodological evaluations that I’ve seen at every Ph.D defence I’ve been on over the last twenty years.
Two of the three referees did not even have a Ph.D. One was the U.S. Defense Attaché at the American Embassy in Budapest at the time, while the other was employed at the UK’s Defence Academy and just had a BA from Manchester University awarded in 1969.
This ‘neutral’ examiner had published a book in Hungary with Gorka three years previously. While graduate students sometimes collaborate with their advisors the independent external examiners must have no nepotistic ties with the candidate.
More important, a basic principle of assessing educational achievement is that your examiners have at least the degree level of the degree they are awarding. Undergraduates do not award Ph.Ds.
In Gorka’s case the only examiner who lists a doctorate was György Schöpflin – an extreme right wing Hungarian Member of the European Parliament who recently advocated putting pigs heads on a fence on the Hungarian border to keep out Muslims. I have been told that Schöpflin was a family friend. Both Schöpflin and Gorka’s father fled from Budapest to London in the 1950s and both moved in exile right-wing nationalist circles.
If that is true, we are left in sum with a degree that was awarded in absence – on the basis of a dissertation without basic political science methodological underpinnings – and apparently from an examining committee of two of Gorka’s diplomat friends, with only BA degrees; along with an old family friend, Schöpflin.
In sum, Gorka’s Ph.D is about as legitimate as if he had been awarded it by Trump University. Facts matter, but so does the gathering, synthesizing and creation of knowledge that is what we call ‘education.’ If you fake a Ph.D you are faking your credentials. He delivers provable untruths to the American public but is believed by many because he presents himself as an esteemed scholar of Islam. Gorka would never have got away with such chutzpah in the UK.
Experience and scholarship work in harness to produce answers to questions. When you have neither experience nor training you are likely to not merely get the answers wrong, but not even have an inkling of which questions to ask.
Clearly Gorka yearns to be taken seriously and he uses the "Dr." credentials in a way that no one who earned the degree would ever do. In his 2016 screed, Defeating Jihad: The Winnable War, he is Dr. Sebastian Gorka on the front cover.
Tacky or just an alternative fact? This is the man we have as a chief national security advisor to the President. That may not change, but lets give him the professional respect he deserves and stop calling him ‘Dr.’
Andrew Reynolds is a Professor of Political Science at the University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill.Follow him on Twitter: @AndyReynoldsUNC
So Gorka earned his PhD the way Elvis earned his blackbelt? LOFL!
Strange isn't it, how out of all the right-wing thinkers, the ones that attract the biggest following are crackpots (Marvin Olasky, Jordan Peterson), frauds (Gorka) or outright Nazis (Charles Murray).
Interesting if true, but then I'll have to vet the author of this "takedown" as well. After reading around the link you provided, I am skeptical that the person that wrote this opinion piece is even remotely unbiased. You may not respect his doctorate, but ostensibly he does have one. I do agree that very few (not a medical doctor would actually call themselves a doctor) would use this title, and as I mentioned I find it tacky. Though I have had professors that insisted on just that, so it's not unheard of. Not sure where you get the notion that Murray is a Nazi. Sam Harris certainly doesn't think so, nor do I. Just because he has examined some politically incorrect subjects is no reason to slander the man. Secondly, the only real Nazi's basically died out 75+ years, so hyperbole aside, what's your beef with Murray? As to the crackpots... that's an opinion, and it's pretty obvious your biases are showing. I would wager Peterson has published more cited publications than you have read in your lifetime, perhaps not, but I'll trust the prevailing opinion in lieu of yours.
"President-elect" is not an official term, at least according to Wikipedia. But to 80% of the US population--and 99% of the world--yes, he is.
Your math is wrong......
The only places where I've really seen the "don't call people with non-clinical PhDs doctors is in clinical settings (hospitals, etc.), and the reason is typically said to be for avoiding confusing patients. This still has some weirdness in behavioral settings with psychologists vs. psychiatrists, but both generally go with "doctor" without too much issue. What I really found weird is when you have someone with a PhD in Nursing. They're a doctor, but not a doctor (but, as a NP, they are a medical provider)... Just weird.
Is he still calling himself "Doctor"?
While it is a bit pretentious, Gorka does have a doctorate in Political Science. Strictly speaking, he isn't wrong.
He's a "doctor" like Tom Parker was a "colonel":
Haaretz (https://www.haaretz.com/opinion/the-academic-fraud-of-trumps-terrorism-expert-1.5465216)QuoteStop Calling Him 'Dr.': The Academic Fraud of Sebastian Gorka, Trump’s Terrorism 'Expert'
The only formally qualified examiner for Gorka’s Ph.D. on a panel packed with personal friends was an extreme right-wing Hungarian MEP who recently advocated putting pigs heads on a fence on the Hungarian border to keep out Muslims
Early on a mustache-twirling villain emerged as the face of the Trump White House. With the mannerisms of a pompous English B-movie baddy, Sebastian Gorka is to Donald Trump what the Sheriff of Nottingham was to King John. The malevolent sidekick.
Dr. Gorka styles himself as the crusading academic. A Kissinger for our troubled times. The brilliant scholar of terrorism who has taught at elite colleges and published groundbreaking research. He often reminds the imbeciles of the press that as a man of great learning only he truly comprehends the threat of Muslims.
But experts have listened to Gorka’s advocacy of the Muslim ban, attacks on the media and sterling defence of Trump’s “well-oiled’ administration and wondered how could such a well trained academic make such baseless and ignorant claims about topics he purports to be an expert on? In March he became embroiled in a remarkable spat with a Republican National Security consultant, Michael S. Smith. Gorka is flailing widely – tilting at enemies real and imagined.
I started digging and it didn’t take long to find out that Gorka is a fraud – a charlatan of the most brazen hue – a snake-oil salesman whose supposed Ph.D dissertation would have never passed muster in America or Britain and to put the cherry on the cake was approved by an fraudulent panel of examiners. The polar opposite of Lt. Gen H.R. McMasters’ celebrated dissertation awarded by UNC Chapel Hill.
Gorka is Hungarian-English. He gained an American passport in 2012. His nationalist parents fled to London from Budapest in 1956. His dissertation – Content and End-State-based Alteration in the Practice of Political Violence since the End of the Cold War: the difference between the terrorism of the Cold War and the terrorism of al Qaeda: the rise of the “transcendental terrorist, was apparently granted in 2007 by Corvinus University of Budapest.
The tract is long on Islamophobia and the unsubstantiated claims of the polemicist but short on theory, evidence or academic rigor. Corvinus is not an institution with a profile, so I looked: sadly it doesn’t even make the top 1,000 in the Times Higher Education World University Rankings.
Even Gorka’s attendance poses a mystery. When exactly was he a graduate student at the university? Did he take classes? Did he receive any training in Islam or Islamic studies? His CV notes that he left Hungary in 2004 to work for the U.S. Defense Department in Germany and then in 2008 relocated to the U.S. There is no evidence that he ever returned to live and study in Budapest.
The dissertation is online and includes the ‘evaluations’ of three referees who each presented a page of generalized comments – completely at odds with the detailed substantive and methodological evaluations that I’ve seen at every Ph.D defence I’ve been on over the last twenty years.
Two of the three referees did not even have a Ph.D. One was the U.S. Defense Attaché at the American Embassy in Budapest at the time, while the other was employed at the UK’s Defence Academy and just had a BA from Manchester University awarded in 1969.
This ‘neutral’ examiner had published a book in Hungary with Gorka three years previously. While graduate students sometimes collaborate with their advisors the independent external examiners must have no nepotistic ties with the candidate.
More important, a basic principle of assessing educational achievement is that your examiners have at least the degree level of the degree they are awarding. Undergraduates do not award Ph.Ds.
In Gorka’s case the only examiner who lists a doctorate was György Schöpflin – an extreme right wing Hungarian Member of the European Parliament who recently advocated putting pigs heads on a fence on the Hungarian border to keep out Muslims. I have been told that Schöpflin was a family friend. Both Schöpflin and Gorka’s father fled from Budapest to London in the 1950s and both moved in exile right-wing nationalist circles.
If that is true, we are left in sum with a degree that was awarded in absence – on the basis of a dissertation without basic political science methodological underpinnings – and apparently from an examining committee of two of Gorka’s diplomat friends, with only BA degrees; along with an old family friend, Schöpflin.
In sum, Gorka’s Ph.D is about as legitimate as if he had been awarded it by Trump University. Facts matter, but so does the gathering, synthesizing and creation of knowledge that is what we call ‘education.’ If you fake a Ph.D you are faking your credentials. He delivers provable untruths to the American public but is believed by many because he presents himself as an esteemed scholar of Islam. Gorka would never have got away with such chutzpah in the UK.
Experience and scholarship work in harness to produce answers to questions. When you have neither experience nor training you are likely to not merely get the answers wrong, but not even have an inkling of which questions to ask.
Clearly Gorka yearns to be taken seriously and he uses the "Dr." credentials in a way that no one who earned the degree would ever do. In his 2016 screed, Defeating Jihad: The Winnable War, he is Dr. Sebastian Gorka on the front cover.
Tacky or just an alternative fact? This is the man we have as a chief national security advisor to the President. That may not change, but lets give him the professional respect he deserves and stop calling him ‘Dr.’
Andrew Reynolds is a Professor of Political Science at the University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill.Follow him on Twitter: @AndyReynoldsUNC
So Gorka earned his PhD the way Elvis earned his blackbelt? LOFL!
Strange isn't it, how out of all the right-wing thinkers, the ones that attract the biggest following are crackpots (Marvin Olasky, Jordan Peterson), frauds (Gorka) or outright Nazis (Charles Murray).
Interesting if true, but then I'll have to vet the author of this "takedown" as well. After reading around the link you provided, I am skeptical that the person that wrote this opinion piece is even remotely unbiased. You may not respect his doctorate, but ostensibly he does have one. I do agree that very few (not a medical doctor would actually call themselves a doctor) would use this title, and as I mentioned I find it tacky. Though I have had professors that insisted on just that, so it's not unheard of. Not sure where you get the notion that Murray is a Nazi. Sam Harris certainly doesn't think so, nor do I. Just because he has examined some politically incorrect subjects is no reason to slander the man. Secondly, the only real Nazi's basically died out 75+ years, so hyperbole aside, what's your beef with Murray? As to the crackpots... that's an opinion, and it's pretty obvious your biases are showing. I would wager Peterson has published more cited publications than you have read in your lifetime, perhaps not, but I'll trust the prevailing opinion in lieu of yours.
Greetings!
Yeah, Shuddemell! I have had *many* professors refer to themselves as DR--quite explicitly, as a matter of fact. What's with the quaint insistence by others that *only* Medical Doctors are referred to as "DR."? I would say most academics I have seen refer to themselves as DR. History, Philosophy, Political Science, Anthropology, and on and on.
As one Philosophy Professor told me, "I studied for 12 years and more to earn my Ph.D. So I am quite entitled to be referred to as DR, thank you very much. Courts of Law, academic institutions and more fully recognize the merit and status of DR, and those that have put in the work to achieve such a title."
I'm not sure where these people get the idea that only medical experts are doctors--they aren't. There are different specialties, but the achievement of PH.D. is still DR for whoever has achieved that status, and rightfully so. For those to insist that only medical people are DR is ignorant and pathetic, and simply not true or accurate.
Semper Fidelis,
SHARK
We have Antifa members going up and executing Trump supporters in Portland by shooting them; In Austin, Texas, we have BLM thugs firing bullets into a car, attempting to murder the driver; We have BLM thugs shooting a young WHITE mother to death because she said "All Lives Matter"; In Seattle, Washington, we have BLM mobs take over parts of the city entirely, where murder, violence, and rape is celebrated; Trump supporters are pulled from their vehicles and stumped on by swarming groups of BLM thugs; Just this last weekend, a black woman and BLM member stole a Trump supporter's American flag, and then drew a knife, and threatened to kill everyone around her.
But some cuck bitch is worried about metaphors for "Putting their heads on pikes"?
The only places where I've really seen the "don't call people with non-clinical PhDs doctors is in clinical settings (hospitals, etc.), and the reason is typically said to be for avoiding confusing patients. This still has some weirdness in behavioral settings with psychologists vs. psychiatrists, but both generally go with "doctor" without too much issue. What I really found weird is when you have someone with a PhD in Nursing. They're a doctor, but not a doctor (but, as a NP, they are a medical provider)... Just weird.
Is he still calling himself "Doctor"?
While it is a bit pretentious, Gorka does have a doctorate in Political Science. Strictly speaking, he isn't wrong.
He's a "doctor" like Tom Parker was a "colonel":
Haaretz (https://www.haaretz.com/opinion/the-academic-fraud-of-trumps-terrorism-expert-1.5465216)QuoteStop Calling Him 'Dr.': The Academic Fraud of Sebastian Gorka, Trump’s Terrorism 'Expert'
The only formally qualified examiner for Gorka’s Ph.D. on a panel packed with personal friends was an extreme right-wing Hungarian MEP who recently advocated putting pigs heads on a fence on the Hungarian border to keep out Muslims
Early on a mustache-twirling villain emerged as the face of the Trump White House. With the mannerisms of a pompous English B-movie baddy, Sebastian Gorka is to Donald Trump what the Sheriff of Nottingham was to King John. The malevolent sidekick.
Dr. Gorka styles himself as the crusading academic. A Kissinger for our troubled times. The brilliant scholar of terrorism who has taught at elite colleges and published groundbreaking research. He often reminds the imbeciles of the press that as a man of great learning only he truly comprehends the threat of Muslims.
But experts have listened to Gorka’s advocacy of the Muslim ban, attacks on the media and sterling defence of Trump’s “well-oiled’ administration and wondered how could such a well trained academic make such baseless and ignorant claims about topics he purports to be an expert on? In March he became embroiled in a remarkable spat with a Republican National Security consultant, Michael S. Smith. Gorka is flailing widely – tilting at enemies real and imagined.
I started digging and it didn’t take long to find out that Gorka is a fraud – a charlatan of the most brazen hue – a snake-oil salesman whose supposed Ph.D dissertation would have never passed muster in America or Britain and to put the cherry on the cake was approved by an fraudulent panel of examiners. The polar opposite of Lt. Gen H.R. McMasters’ celebrated dissertation awarded by UNC Chapel Hill.
Gorka is Hungarian-English. He gained an American passport in 2012. His nationalist parents fled to London from Budapest in 1956. His dissertation – Content and End-State-based Alteration in the Practice of Political Violence since the End of the Cold War: the difference between the terrorism of the Cold War and the terrorism of al Qaeda: the rise of the “transcendental terrorist, was apparently granted in 2007 by Corvinus University of Budapest.
The tract is long on Islamophobia and the unsubstantiated claims of the polemicist but short on theory, evidence or academic rigor. Corvinus is not an institution with a profile, so I looked: sadly it doesn’t even make the top 1,000 in the Times Higher Education World University Rankings.
Even Gorka’s attendance poses a mystery. When exactly was he a graduate student at the university? Did he take classes? Did he receive any training in Islam or Islamic studies? His CV notes that he left Hungary in 2004 to work for the U.S. Defense Department in Germany and then in 2008 relocated to the U.S. There is no evidence that he ever returned to live and study in Budapest.
The dissertation is online and includes the ‘evaluations’ of three referees who each presented a page of generalized comments – completely at odds with the detailed substantive and methodological evaluations that I’ve seen at every Ph.D defence I’ve been on over the last twenty years.
Two of the three referees did not even have a Ph.D. One was the U.S. Defense Attaché at the American Embassy in Budapest at the time, while the other was employed at the UK’s Defence Academy and just had a BA from Manchester University awarded in 1969.
This ‘neutral’ examiner had published a book in Hungary with Gorka three years previously. While graduate students sometimes collaborate with their advisors the independent external examiners must have no nepotistic ties with the candidate.
More important, a basic principle of assessing educational achievement is that your examiners have at least the degree level of the degree they are awarding. Undergraduates do not award Ph.Ds.
In Gorka’s case the only examiner who lists a doctorate was György Schöpflin – an extreme right wing Hungarian Member of the European Parliament who recently advocated putting pigs heads on a fence on the Hungarian border to keep out Muslims. I have been told that Schöpflin was a family friend. Both Schöpflin and Gorka’s father fled from Budapest to London in the 1950s and both moved in exile right-wing nationalist circles.
If that is true, we are left in sum with a degree that was awarded in absence – on the basis of a dissertation without basic political science methodological underpinnings – and apparently from an examining committee of two of Gorka’s diplomat friends, with only BA degrees; along with an old family friend, Schöpflin.
In sum, Gorka’s Ph.D is about as legitimate as if he had been awarded it by Trump University. Facts matter, but so does the gathering, synthesizing and creation of knowledge that is what we call ‘education.’ If you fake a Ph.D you are faking your credentials. He delivers provable untruths to the American public but is believed by many because he presents himself as an esteemed scholar of Islam. Gorka would never have got away with such chutzpah in the UK.
Experience and scholarship work in harness to produce answers to questions. When you have neither experience nor training you are likely to not merely get the answers wrong, but not even have an inkling of which questions to ask.
Clearly Gorka yearns to be taken seriously and he uses the "Dr." credentials in a way that no one who earned the degree would ever do. In his 2016 screed, Defeating Jihad: The Winnable War, he is Dr. Sebastian Gorka on the front cover.
Tacky or just an alternative fact? This is the man we have as a chief national security advisor to the President. That may not change, but lets give him the professional respect he deserves and stop calling him ‘Dr.’
Andrew Reynolds is a Professor of Political Science at the University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill.Follow him on Twitter: @AndyReynoldsUNC
So Gorka earned his PhD the way Elvis earned his blackbelt? LOFL!
Strange isn't it, how out of all the right-wing thinkers, the ones that attract the biggest following are crackpots (Marvin Olasky, Jordan Peterson), frauds (Gorka) or outright Nazis (Charles Murray).
Interesting if true, but then I'll have to vet the author of this "takedown" as well. After reading around the link you provided, I am skeptical that the person that wrote this opinion piece is even remotely unbiased. You may not respect his doctorate, but ostensibly he does have one. I do agree that very few (not a medical doctor would actually call themselves a doctor) would use this title, and as I mentioned I find it tacky. Though I have had professors that insisted on just that, so it's not unheard of. Not sure where you get the notion that Murray is a Nazi. Sam Harris certainly doesn't think so, nor do I. Just because he has examined some politically incorrect subjects is no reason to slander the man. Secondly, the only real Nazi's basically died out 75+ years, so hyperbole aside, what's your beef with Murray? As to the crackpots... that's an opinion, and it's pretty obvious your biases are showing. I would wager Peterson has published more cited publications than you have read in your lifetime, perhaps not, but I'll trust the prevailing opinion in lieu of yours.
Greetings!
Yeah, Shuddemell! I have had *many* professors refer to themselves as DR--quite explicitly, as a matter of fact. What's with the quaint insistence by others that *only* Medical Doctors are referred to as "DR."? I would say most academics I have seen refer to themselves as DR. History, Philosophy, Political Science, Anthropology, and on and on.
As one Philosophy Professor told me, "I studied for 12 years and more to earn my Ph.D. So I am quite entitled to be referred to as DR, thank you very much. Courts of Law, academic institutions and more fully recognize the merit and status of DR, and those that have put in the work to achieve such a title."
I'm not sure where these people get the idea that only medical experts are doctors--they aren't. There are different specialties, but the achievement of PH.D. is still DR for whoever has achieved that status, and rightfully so. For those to insist that only medical people are DR is ignorant and pathetic, and simply not true or accurate.
Semper Fidelis,
SHARK
Greetings!When Popp talks, I picture him as Roddy Piper. It doesn't hurt that the message is pretty much “Put on these glasses, or start eating that trash can.”
Terence Popp discusses Coup D'estate we are witnessing.
Semper Fidelis,
SHARK
"Russian interference" was always "Russians put out some fake news bullshit to add chaos". It was never that they changed any election results or hacked something. And yes they put out more misinformation this year too. So? It never bothered me much. Misinformation is not that big a deal. The extremes of both political parties and bullshit groups like qanon put out so much misinformation it's hard to get worked up about more misinformation from a foreign nation.
"President-elect" is not an official term, at least according to Wikipedia. But to 80% of the US population--and 99% of the world--yes, he is.
The only places where I've really seen the "don't call people with non-clinical PhDs doctors is in clinical settings (hospitals, etc.), and the reason is typically said to be for avoiding confusing patients. This still has some weirdness in behavioral settings with psychologists vs. psychiatrists, but both generally go with "doctor" without too much issue. What I really found weird is when you have someone with a PhD in Nursing. They're a doctor, but not a doctor (but, as a NP, they are a medical provider)... Just weird.
Is he still calling himself "Doctor"?
While it is a bit pretentious, Gorka does have a doctorate in Political Science. Strictly speaking, he isn't wrong.
He's a "doctor" like Tom Parker was a "colonel":
Haaretz (https://www.haaretz.com/opinion/the-academic-fraud-of-trumps-terrorism-expert-1.5465216)QuoteStop Calling Him 'Dr.': The Academic Fraud of Sebastian Gorka, Trump’s Terrorism 'Expert'
The only formally qualified examiner for Gorka’s Ph.D. on a panel packed with personal friends was an extreme right-wing Hungarian MEP who recently advocated putting pigs heads on a fence on the Hungarian border to keep out Muslims
Early on a mustache-twirling villain emerged as the face of the Trump White House. With the mannerisms of a pompous English B-movie baddy, Sebastian Gorka is to Donald Trump what the Sheriff of Nottingham was to King John. The malevolent sidekick.
Dr. Gorka styles himself as the crusading academic. A Kissinger for our troubled times. The brilliant scholar of terrorism who has taught at elite colleges and published groundbreaking research. He often reminds the imbeciles of the press that as a man of great learning only he truly comprehends the threat of Muslims.
But experts have listened to Gorka’s advocacy of the Muslim ban, attacks on the media and sterling defence of Trump’s “well-oiled’ administration and wondered how could such a well trained academic make such baseless and ignorant claims about topics he purports to be an expert on? In March he became embroiled in a remarkable spat with a Republican National Security consultant, Michael S. Smith. Gorka is flailing widely – tilting at enemies real and imagined.
I started digging and it didn’t take long to find out that Gorka is a fraud – a charlatan of the most brazen hue – a snake-oil salesman whose supposed Ph.D dissertation would have never passed muster in America or Britain and to put the cherry on the cake was approved by an fraudulent panel of examiners. The polar opposite of Lt. Gen H.R. McMasters’ celebrated dissertation awarded by UNC Chapel Hill.
Gorka is Hungarian-English. He gained an American passport in 2012. His nationalist parents fled to London from Budapest in 1956. His dissertation – Content and End-State-based Alteration in the Practice of Political Violence since the End of the Cold War: the difference between the terrorism of the Cold War and the terrorism of al Qaeda: the rise of the “transcendental terrorist, was apparently granted in 2007 by Corvinus University of Budapest.
The tract is long on Islamophobia and the unsubstantiated claims of the polemicist but short on theory, evidence or academic rigor. Corvinus is not an institution with a profile, so I looked: sadly it doesn’t even make the top 1,000 in the Times Higher Education World University Rankings.
Even Gorka’s attendance poses a mystery. When exactly was he a graduate student at the university? Did he take classes? Did he receive any training in Islam or Islamic studies? His CV notes that he left Hungary in 2004 to work for the U.S. Defense Department in Germany and then in 2008 relocated to the U.S. There is no evidence that he ever returned to live and study in Budapest.
The dissertation is online and includes the ‘evaluations’ of three referees who each presented a page of generalized comments – completely at odds with the detailed substantive and methodological evaluations that I’ve seen at every Ph.D defence I’ve been on over the last twenty years.
Two of the three referees did not even have a Ph.D. One was the U.S. Defense Attaché at the American Embassy in Budapest at the time, while the other was employed at the UK’s Defence Academy and just had a BA from Manchester University awarded in 1969.
This ‘neutral’ examiner had published a book in Hungary with Gorka three years previously. While graduate students sometimes collaborate with their advisors the independent external examiners must have no nepotistic ties with the candidate.
More important, a basic principle of assessing educational achievement is that your examiners have at least the degree level of the degree they are awarding. Undergraduates do not award Ph.Ds.
In Gorka’s case the only examiner who lists a doctorate was György Schöpflin – an extreme right wing Hungarian Member of the European Parliament who recently advocated putting pigs heads on a fence on the Hungarian border to keep out Muslims. I have been told that Schöpflin was a family friend. Both Schöpflin and Gorka’s father fled from Budapest to London in the 1950s and both moved in exile right-wing nationalist circles.
If that is true, we are left in sum with a degree that was awarded in absence – on the basis of a dissertation without basic political science methodological underpinnings – and apparently from an examining committee of two of Gorka’s diplomat friends, with only BA degrees; along with an old family friend, Schöpflin.
In sum, Gorka’s Ph.D is about as legitimate as if he had been awarded it by Trump University. Facts matter, but so does the gathering, synthesizing and creation of knowledge that is what we call ‘education.’ If you fake a Ph.D you are faking your credentials. He delivers provable untruths to the American public but is believed by many because he presents himself as an esteemed scholar of Islam. Gorka would never have got away with such chutzpah in the UK.
Experience and scholarship work in harness to produce answers to questions. When you have neither experience nor training you are likely to not merely get the answers wrong, but not even have an inkling of which questions to ask.
Clearly Gorka yearns to be taken seriously and he uses the "Dr." credentials in a way that no one who earned the degree would ever do. In his 2016 screed, Defeating Jihad: The Winnable War, he is Dr. Sebastian Gorka on the front cover.
Tacky or just an alternative fact? This is the man we have as a chief national security advisor to the President. That may not change, but lets give him the professional respect he deserves and stop calling him ‘Dr.’
Andrew Reynolds is a Professor of Political Science at the University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill.Follow him on Twitter: @AndyReynoldsUNC
So Gorka earned his PhD the way Elvis earned his blackbelt? LOFL!
Strange isn't it, how out of all the right-wing thinkers, the ones that attract the biggest following are crackpots (Marvin Olasky, Jordan Peterson), frauds (Gorka) or outright Nazis (Charles Murray).
Interesting if true, but then I'll have to vet the author of this "takedown" as well. After reading around the link you provided, I am skeptical that the person that wrote this opinion piece is even remotely unbiased. You may not respect his doctorate, but ostensibly he does have one. I do agree that very few (not a medical doctor would actually call themselves a doctor) would use this title, and as I mentioned I find it tacky. Though I have had professors that insisted on just that, so it's not unheard of. Not sure where you get the notion that Murray is a Nazi. Sam Harris certainly doesn't think so, nor do I. Just because he has examined some politically incorrect subjects is no reason to slander the man. Secondly, the only real Nazi's basically died out 75+ years, so hyperbole aside, what's your beef with Murray? As to the crackpots... that's an opinion, and it's pretty obvious your biases are showing. I would wager Peterson has published more cited publications than you have read in your lifetime, perhaps not, but I'll trust the prevailing opinion in lieu of yours.
Greetings!
Yeah, Shuddemell! I have had *many* professors refer to themselves as DR--quite explicitly, as a matter of fact. What's with the quaint insistence by others that *only* Medical Doctors are referred to as "DR."? I would say most academics I have seen refer to themselves as DR. History, Philosophy, Political Science, Anthropology, and on and on.
As one Philosophy Professor told me, "I studied for 12 years and more to earn my Ph.D. So I am quite entitled to be referred to as DR, thank you very much. Courts of Law, academic institutions and more fully recognize the merit and status of DR, and those that have put in the work to achieve such a title."
I'm not sure where these people get the idea that only medical experts are doctors--they aren't. There are different specialties, but the achievement of PH.D. is still DR for whoever has achieved that status, and rightfully so. For those to insist that only medical people are DR is ignorant and pathetic, and simply not true or accurate.
Semper Fidelis,
SHARK
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Oh fuck, I’m on the opposite side of an argument from Elfdart using fap emojis - that’s the universe telling you there’s no reason to doubt!
The counter-arguers:
Lincoln Project crushees
Fact-checking analysts who believe the phrase “head on a pike” is not a metaphor
Assorted leftists more gleeful than any time since before they learned what “catfishing” was
Elfdart, more gleeful than any time since before he learned he could no longer catfish them
Yes, I think with opposition like this I need to reconsider RIGHT NOW before all the facts that could be, are put before a court
It seems to me that different people have different positions that fall along a spectrum, rather than just us-vs-them. Specifically about fraud, at one extreme, RandyB believes that there were over 40 million fraudulent votes cast for Biden. I'm not sure who is the other extreme on this forum - but there are certainly some liberals in general who now reflexively dismiss claims of fraud without critical thought -- just as there are some conservatives who reflexively believe claims of fraud without critical thought.
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Also, I think I'm the one being called out over the "head on a pike". For the record, I agree that it was metaphorical, but I don't think that makes it acceptable. Specifically, I was responding to this article posted by shuddemell that calls out liberals for making metaphorical death threats:
https://thefederalist.com/2020/10/26/7-open-leftist-threats-that-political-terror-is-coming-to-america-whether-trump-wins-or-not/
I agreed with the article that the metaphorical death threats by liberals was wrong. (ref) (https://www.therpgsite.com/the-rpgpundit-s-own-forum/are-you-ready-to-be-blacklisted-by-the-tolerant-fascists/msg1152446/#msg1152446)
No.
November 13, 2020
The Honorable Emily Murphy
Administrator
General Services Administration
1800 F St. N.W.
Washington, D.C. 20405
Dear Administrator Murphy:
On November 9, 2020, Democratic House Members sent you a letter that misrepresented the facts surrounding your responsibilities under the Presidential Transition Act of 1963. I write to correct the record.
Under the Act, you, as administrator of the General Services Administration (GSA), have the authority to provide government-funded transition assistance to the President-Elect and the Vice-President-Elect. However, this assistance can only occur after there are “apparent successful candidates for the office of the President and Vice President, respectively, as ascertained by the Administrator [you].”
There are enough state contests in question, such that there is not yet an apparent President or Vice-President-Elect. Precedent and legislative history present three situations where there may be an un-apparent President-Elect:According to Congressional intent and past precedent set by President Clinton, as of today, there is no apparent President-Elect.
- The drafters of the Act anticipated three electoral situations where there would be an unapparent President-Elect: (1) a tie, (2) a plurality winner, or (3) the presence of extensive voter fraud or intimidation. The third being applicable to 2020 since the Trump campaign has raised questions and filed legal challenges in several states;
- The drafters concluded that “if there is any doubt in the Administrator’s mind” the Administrator does not have to release transition assistance. Since states have not yet certified an electoral winner and some states are still tabulating legal ballots, there remains doubt as to the winner; and
- The precedent set by the Clinton Administration in the contested 2000 election is that to ascertain an apparent President-Elect there would need to be a concession—which has not yet occurred in 2020—or no more legitimate continuing legal challenges—which has not yet occurred in 2020.
A GSA spokesman recently stated that “the GSA Administrator ascertains the apparent successful candidate once a winner is clear based on the process laid out in the Constitution.” I strongly encourage you to do just that: follow the Constitution and past precedent, not the media, when making your determination of the President-Elect. This democracy relies on a rule of law and the law must be followed.
Sincerely,
Jody Hice
Ranking Member
Subcommittee on Government Operations
5) wherever Do -minion machines are used,
you can be certain the SCAM has been rampant
I estimate a SCAM of 35 MILLION votes – Nationwide"
— Greg Rubini (@GregRubini) November 15, 2020
If this above information is true... then - OUCH! If a troll - it's still interesting
Note: Of course, I don't believe everything I read nor everything I hear of. But posting information to further conversation and letting people research and make up their own minds is what I'm doing. When I find something interesting I post it. Perhaps Clinton/Biden vote differentials are meant to be looked at as a % of registered and confirmed votes? Or a ratio? Something to followup on for sure. Not disputing anyone here, just posting...
Letter from the ranking member of the House Subcommittee of Government Operations to the Administrator of the General Services Administration, defining how the President-Elect is determined.
https://republicans-oversight.house.gov/wp-content/uploads/2020/11/Letter-to-GSA-re-Transition-final-11.13.20-1.pdfQuote from: see aboveNovember 13, 2020
The Honorable Emily Murphy
Administrator
General Services Administration
1800 F St. N.W.
Washington, D.C. 20405
Dear Administrator Murphy:
On November 9, 2020, Democratic House Members sent you a letter that misrepresented the facts surrounding your responsibilities under the Presidential Transition Act of 1963. I write to correct the record.
Under the Act, you, as administrator of the General Services Administration (GSA), have the authority to provide government-funded transition assistance to the President-Elect and the Vice-President-Elect. However, this assistance can only occur after there are “apparent successful candidates for the office of the President and Vice President, respectively, as ascertained by the Administrator [you].”
There are enough state contests in question, such that there is not yet an apparent President or Vice-President-Elect. Precedent and legislative history present three situations where there may be an un-apparent President-Elect:According to Congressional intent and past precedent set by President Clinton, as of today, there is no apparent President-Elect.
- The drafters of the Act anticipated three electoral situations where there would be an unapparent President-Elect: (1) a tie, (2) a plurality winner, or (3) the presence of extensive voter fraud or intimidation. The third being applicable to 2020 since the Trump campaign has raised questions and filed legal challenges in several states;
- The drafters concluded that “if there is any doubt in the Administrator’s mind” the Administrator does not have to release transition assistance. Since states have not yet certified an electoral winner and some states are still tabulating legal ballots, there remains doubt as to the winner; and
- The precedent set by the Clinton Administration in the contested 2000 election is that to ascertain an apparent President-Elect there would need to be a concession—which has not yet occurred in 2020—or no more legitimate continuing legal challenges—which has not yet occurred in 2020.
A GSA spokesman recently stated that “the GSA Administrator ascertains the apparent successful candidate once a winner is clear based on the process laid out in the Constitution.” I strongly encourage you to do just that: follow the Constitution and past precedent, not the media, when making your determination of the President-Elect. This democracy relies on a rule of law and the law must be followed.
Sincerely,
Jody Hice
Ranking Member
Subcommittee on Government Operations
(3) the presence of extensive voter fraud or intimidation. The third being applicable to 2020 since the Trump campaign has raised questions and filed legal challenges in several states;
There is no "extensive voter fraud" and what little has been uncovered has mostly been MAGA morons trying to cheat at the polls. The fact that the white supremacist Oompa-Loompa's personal attorney* has made all kinds of ridiculous claims doesn't make them true.Determining that is the job of the courts, not GSA administrators or highly partisan internet posters who think movie clips are evidence.
What the fuck (https://spectator.org/maria-bartiromo-sidney-powell-dominion/).
Wow. Just... wow. I cannot wait to see how the left tries to spin this. There is no sane, rational reason for us to use a goddamn election system with ties to fucking Venezuela of all places.
Stolen elections. That's what we get. Hope everyone bought enough ammo.
What the fuck (https://spectator.org/maria-bartiromo-sidney-powell-dominion/).
Wow. Just... wow. I cannot wait to see how the left tries to spin this. There is no sane, rational reason for us to use a goddamn election system with ties to fucking Venezuela of all places.
Stolen elections. That's what we get. Hope everyone bought enough ammo.
Using the proceeds from the sale of his house in Bloomington, The American Spectator Educational Foundation paid for a significant portion of the new house: about $200,000. The foundation also bought a big black Mercedes for Tyrrell's use; gave him a generous entertainment budget and paid for a membership in the Cosmos Club, on Embassy Row; and continued to pay for his trips to New York and London.
Lulz. Well, you and yours have spent four years:What the fuck (https://spectator.org/maria-bartiromo-sidney-powell-dominion/).
Wow. Just... wow. I cannot wait to see how the left tries to spin this. There is no sane, rational reason for us to use a goddamn election system with ties to fucking Venezuela of all places.
Stolen elections. That's what we get. Hope everyone bought enough ammo.
Where to begin? You cite The American Spectator, a publication best known for hiring cranks to spread rumors of the Clinton Body Count (which for some reason, never included the names of people the Clintons did kill off -like Iraqi children), and for using its status as a "charity" to fund the high-on-the-hog lifestyle of its editor-in-chief. (https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2001/11/the-life-and-death-of-the-american-spectator/302343/)QuoteUsing the proceeds from the sale of his house in Bloomington, The American Spectator Educational Foundation paid for a significant portion of the new house: about $200,000. The foundation also bought a big black Mercedes for Tyrrell's use; gave him a generous entertainment budget and paid for a membership in the Cosmos Club, on Embassy Row; and continued to pay for his trips to New York and London.
In any event, it's hard to take seriously an article that refers to the late Hugo Chavez as a "dictator" when he was legitimately elected and made it a point not to crush his enemies -even after they tried at least one putsch against him. But this is the crux of the matter: many right-wingers simply do not accept election results when they lose. When Bill Clinton was elected, the Looney Tunes right began forming militias, flying the flag upside down, and finally set off a bomb in Oklahoma City, killing 168 people. When Obama, like Clinton, won back-to-back landslides the nutty Right made up the racist lie that he wasn't really the President because he wasn't an American. And now a bunch of fuckwits who realize the end is near for their white supremacist game show-host demi-god, think buying weapons, starting brawls and crashing motor vehicles into pedestrians will salve the welts on their asses from the last election.
Here's a hint:
Hanns Johst, the Nazi playwright had the hero in his play Schlageter utter the infamous line: "When I hear the word 'culture' ..., I release the safety on my Browning!"
So if your candidate loses and your first instinct is to talk about getting a gun, then you are a fascist.
In any event, it's hard to take seriously an article that refers to the late Hugo Chavez as a "dictator" when he was legitimately elected and made it a point not to crush his enemies -even after they tried at least one putsch against him.That's not a very good argument. Hitler, of all people, rose to power in a legitimate election. Plenty of dictators use democratic means to acquire power; the defining characteristic is how they change rules or use extralegal means to ensure they stay in power. And Chavez not only changed the Constitution and packed the courts to maintain his hold, he even started his career as part of a failed military coup. Venezuela never became fully authoritarian under his rule, but it was on the border.
In any event, it's hard to take seriously an article that refers to the late Hugo Chavez as a "dictator" when he was legitimately elected and made it a point not to crush his enemies -even after they tried at least one putsch against him. But this is the crux of the matter: many right-wingers simply do not accept election results when they lose. When Bill Clinton was elected, the Looney Tunes right began forming militias, flying the flag upside down, and finally set off a bomb in Oklahoma City, killing 168 people. When Obama, like Clinton, won back-to-back landslides the nutty Right made up the racist lie that he wasn't really the President because he wasn't an American. And now a bunch of fuckwits who realize the end is near for their white supremacist game show-host demi-god, think buying weapons, starting brawls and crashing motor vehicles into pedestrians will salve the welts on their asses from the last election.
That's not a very good argument. Hitler, of all people, rose to power in a legitimate election. Plenty of dictators use democratic means to acquire power; the defining characteristic is how they change rules or use extralegal means to ensure they stay in power. And Chavez not only changed the Constitution and packed the courts to maintain his hold, he even started his career as part of a failed military coup. Venezuela never became fully authoritarian under his rule, but it was on the border.Point well made, Pat, but I have to wonder what would actually constitute 'authoritarian' rule in your opinion then. Because it sure wasn't like Chavez was sharing power with anyone outside his little coterie.
Point well made, Pat, but I have to wonder what would actually constitute 'authoritarian' rule in your opinion then. Because it sure wasn't like Chavez was sharing power with anyone outside his little coterie.Chavez was a populist, who retained wide support because of his charisma and public works. So while he did increase his power, suppressed the judiciary, censored his opponents, restricted human rights, and effectively made himself president for life (bye bye term limits), he never had to blatantly seize power to the same degree as less popular leaders (like his successor, Maduro), so elections were fair (he accepted at least one major loss). Human Rights Watch and Freedom House documented this quite well.
Nice little narrative there, but...is your implication that Righties have better respect for Reason? Certainly, many libertarians tend to fetishize Reason, but most on the Right aren't really libertarian, at least ideologically.
You must have missed the closer of my follow up post responding to the last question I received about the post you quoted.
The quoted post is the philosophical underpinnings of broad movements. Specific attitudes of right vs left are discussed about two posts above yours. From a purely analytical position, I make no moral judgement about the correctness of the Counter Enlightenment movement, all the way up to Postmodernism. I disagree with them, fundamentally, and see myself as more in the Enlightenment 'branch' of modern philosophy, if you will, but I accept, among other things, that Kant's Critique of Pure Reason makes a valid argument, though I would suggest that Descartes's Demon makes an interesting counter-argument, though I don't believe it was intended as such.
So when you ask if "The Right" has a better respect for Reason, not only are you asking about the wrong side of the political divide (you should be asking the obverse question: Do I believe the Left doesn't respect Reason?), to answer it I have to ask: Do You mean the European Traditionalist Right, the American Individualist Right, or the Counter-Enlightenment Nationalist Socialist Right?
In general I believe most people don't actually concern themselves with the foundations and intellectual underpinnings of their political beliefs, and left to their own devices most people default to 'magical thinking' over rational or, alternatively, counter-Enlightenment Irrationalist Thinking, so asking about 'most people' is a fools errand' by any metric.
Of course, we can also make the argument that none of this is particularly new. Nietzche is rehashing the tired old arguments of Heracletius (I think... this was someone elses thesis, and I might have forgotten which discredited ancient greek philosopher they tied him too...), the Post-moderists are largely relying on argument techniques demonstrated by teh Sophists back in the day. Revolutionary movements (such as Socialism) have always bowlderized language until they are in power, or alternatively destroyed by those in power, at which point the near first order of business is always to re-assert the propriety of language, as documented by Thucydides.
We've been here before, and no matter what happens between now and January 20, and beyond, we will be here again. The big question is just how bloody it will get in the meantime. I, for one, hope that our inevitable dark age... call it the Atomic Age Collapse... doesn't happen during my lifetime. I'd like to think we have a few more centuries, but if I could tell the future I wouldn't be posting here, I'd be playing the lotto and living it up on some tropical beach with dancing girls.
Lulz. Well, you and yours have spent four years:
> calling anyone to the right of Stalin a 'fascist'
> referring to anyone who even vaguely supports Trump a 'fascist'
> when you're not calling them racists, bigots, misogynists, etc.
So I will take your disdain and wear it like a badge of honor, and dare you to do something about it, bitch. Because neither I, nor 70 million other 'fascists', aren't going away just because you say so.
Awww, did someone's precious fee-fees get hurt? Get fucked, buddy. This is the future you chose.
I wish people would stop painting with such a broad brush. All you're really doing here is creating a caricature of everyone to the left of you, as if they (we) are all Marxists, all hate conservatives, all think the same. In other words, you're being an instant of your own complaint.
Certainly, this type of viewpoint exists and is promulgated by much of the media, as well as in sub-cultural pockets like TBP, but it isn't shared by all.
So if you want people to stop calling you a fascist, maybe do the same.
What the fuck (https://spectator.org/maria-bartiromo-sidney-powell-dominion/).
Wow. Just... wow. I cannot wait to see how the left tries to spin this. There is no sane, rational reason for us to use a goddamn election system with ties to fucking Venezuela of all places.
Stolen elections. That's what we get. Hope everyone bought enough ammo.
I wish people would stop painting with such a broad brush. All you're really doing here is creating a caricature of everyone to the left of you, as if they (we) are all Marxists, all hate conservatives, all think the same. In other words, you're being an instant of your own complaint.Agreed. Though it applies to both sides. I wish people would go back to addressing what someone says, instead of using their comments as a launchpad to make an attack an some abstract Other that only really exists in their head.
Awww, did someone's precious fee-fees get hurt? Get fucked, buddy. This is the future you chose.
I wish people would stop painting with such a broad brush. All you're really doing here is creating a caricature of everyone to the left of you, as if they (we) are all Marxists, all hate conservatives, all think the same. In other words, you're being an instant of your own complaint.
Certainly, this type of viewpoint exists and is promulgated by much of the media, as well as in sub-cultural pockets like TBP, but it isn't shared by all.
So if you want people to stop calling you a fascist, maybe do the same.
Nice gaslighting attempt though. What's your encore gonna be?
I wish people would stop painting with such a broad brush. All you're really doing here is creating a caricature of everyone to the left of you, as if they (we) are all Marxists, all hate conservatives, all think the same. In other words, you're being an instant of your own complaint.Agreed. Though it applies to both sides. I wish people would go back to addressing what someone says, instead of using their comments as a launchpad to make an attack an some abstract Other that only really exists in their head.
Well if Rudy says it, it must be true!
Anyhow, who do you think is coming to get you in a Biden presidency? And how does a Biden presidency help the defunct administration of a dead Venezuelan politician?
Oh please. Since you have the memory of a goldfish, let's review:Awww, did someone's precious fee-fees get hurt? Get fucked, buddy. This is the future you chose.
I wish people would stop painting with such a broad brush. All you're really doing here is creating a caricature of everyone to the left of you, as if they (we) are all Marxists, all hate conservatives, all think the same. In other words, you're being an instant of your own complaint.
Certainly, this type of viewpoint exists and is promulgated by much of the media, as well as in sub-cultural pockets like TBP, but it isn't shared by all.
So if you want people to stop calling you a fascist, maybe do the same.
Nice gaslighting attempt though. What's your encore gonna be?
Master of Projection! My feelings aren't hurt - sorry, but your opinion doesn't really hold any weight to me.
But please address what I said. You're whining about something you're actually doing. That isn't gaslighting - it is pointing out your hypocrisy and projection.
There is no "extensive voter fraud" and what little has been uncovered has mostly been MAGA morons trying to cheat at the polls. The fact that the white supremacist Oompa-Loompa's personal attorney* has made all kinds of ridiculous claims doesn't make them true.Determining that is the job of the courts, not GSA administrators or highly partisan internet posters who think movie clips are evidence.
And it would be a strange world where a "white supremacist" does so well among black and hispanic voters, wouldn't it?
At first glance, I thought that picture was Mirror Universe Picard. At second glance, I'm almost sure it is...Well if Rudy says it, it must be true!
Anyhow, who do you think is coming to get you in a Biden presidency? And how does a Biden presidency help the defunct administration of a dead Venezuelan politician?
As your friend Nikolai Lenin, ...you know it is not patriotic to ask that question of me, comrade.
(https://jamesjjackson.files.wordpress.com/2019/02/img_0556.jpg?w=615&h=1024)
You know, you really have to be denser than Christmas gravy to try and gaslight me with a 'oh those nasty lefties don't exist'. Have we not discussed the words and actions of public persons on this very subforum? Do you know who Keith Olbermann is? Robert Reich? That's just two of many. Shall we discuss the (publicly defunct, for now) Trump Accountability Project? Shall we discuss this column (https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/call-out-karen-but-dont-forget-about-kevin-they-chose-trump-twice/ar-BB1b3KMe?ocid=msedgntp), published in Time Magazine?I don't think you quoted the post you meant to quote.
It's fine to comment on movements and tendencies, but when you start equating them with individuals, that's a conversation ender.If that were true, there would be no conversations left in this place.
So if you want people to stop calling you a fascist, maybe do the same.
Oh please. Since you have the memory of a goldfish, let's review:Awww, did someone's precious fee-fees get hurt? Get fucked, buddy. This is the future you chose.
I wish people would stop painting with such a broad brush. All you're really doing here is creating a caricature of everyone to the left of you, as if they (we) are all Marxists, all hate conservatives, all think the same. In other words, you're being an instant of your own complaint.
Certainly, this type of viewpoint exists and is promulgated by much of the media, as well as in sub-cultural pockets like TBP, but it isn't shared by all.
So if you want people to stop calling you a fascist, maybe do the same.
Nice gaslighting attempt though. What's your encore gonna be?
Master of Projection! My feelings aren't hurt - sorry, but your opinion doesn't really hold any weight to me.
But please address what I said. You're whining about something you're actually doing. That isn't gaslighting - it is pointing out your hypocrisy and projection.
Bitch was tossing around the 'fascist' label/
I remarked on how he (and his fellow demagogues) had been using that label to target anyone who wasn't a proper proggie, and voiced my contempt for him over it.
You came riding to the rescue with a pathetic 'NO U DO IT TOO' defense.
You know, you really have to be denser than Christmas gravy to try and gaslight me with a 'oh those nasty lefties don't exist'. Have we not discussed the words and actions of public persons on this very subforum? Do you know who Keith Olbermann is? Robert Reich? That's just two of many. Shall we discuss the (publicly defunct, for now) Trump Accountability Project? Shall we discuss this column (https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/call-out-karen-but-dont-forget-about-kevin-they-chose-trump-twice/ar-BB1b3KMe?ocid=msedgntp), published in Time Magazine?
*snort* 'abstract other that only really exists in their head' my entire ass.
The point is that Mercurius is being deliberately untruthful by attempting to bullshit me with 'oh those nasty, evil leftists don't exist except in your head'. And then whining that I'm 'painting with a broad brush' when I point out that the major arc of leftism these days sure as hell looks like 'let's now punish anyone involved with those evil Trumpists or Republikkkans!'.You know, you really have to be denser than Christmas gravy to try and gaslight me with a 'oh those nasty lefties don't exist'. Have we not discussed the words and actions of public persons on this very subforum? Do you know who Keith Olbermann is? Robert Reich? That's just two of many. Shall we discuss the (publicly defunct, for now) Trump Accountability Project? Shall we discuss this column (https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/call-out-karen-but-dont-forget-about-kevin-they-chose-trump-twice/ar-BB1b3KMe?ocid=msedgntp), published in Time Magazine?I don't think you quoted the post you meant to quote.
Have either of them posted in this thread? No? Has anyone defended those specific issues? No? Then you're not addressing the arguments made by anyone in the thread, you're attacking a fictional Other that you've compiled from an assortment of sources.
It's fine to comment on movements and tendencies, but when you start equating them with individuals, that's a conversation ender.
I sometimes think that's an accurate statement.It's fine to comment on movements and tendencies, but when you start equating them with individuals, that's a conversation ender.If that were true, there would be no conversations left in this place.
I agree that it's the job of the courts. It's fine to discuss it on the Internet - we discuss everything else, after all. But I think the huge problem is that people have largely made up their minds already long before the legal process. They aren't willing to discuss evidence, and if the courts rule against their preconceptions, I predict that most will simply reject the courts as illegitimate.The media hasn't helped. If they simply said "projected president elect", "purported president elect", or something similar, then it might not be this bad. Instead, they're acting as if the Associated Press is the official arbiter, which is simply not true.
Also, on an off-topic note on Venezuela, I think that Maduro is indeed a dictator - but Chavez was not. You claimed that Hitler rose to power by legitimate election, but he lost the 1932 election gaining only 36% of the vote - and was appointed chancellor largely to prevent more Nazi violence. The 1933 elections after the Reichstag fire weren't even close to legitimate. By contrast, Chavez was elected with 56% and a wide margin in 1998 in a system controlled by his opponents, and retained popularity through his death in 2013. I'll buy that he started a slide towards authoritarianism with his second-term constitutional reforms, but it was Maduro who turned Venezuela into a dictatorship.I said that Chavez was borderline authoritarian, while Maduro was over the edge, so it doesn't sound like we're disagreeing to any significant degree.
Tell the truth: you're not really a person, you're an AI with a malfunctioning script of responses, right? Biden as center-right? Sure
You seem to have reading comprehension issues. I enver said "those nasty lefties don't exist" - I clearly said they do. I said you are doing the same thing you're accusing them of, and not grokking that not all on the left hate Trump voters.
p.s. Biden isn't a "lefty" is center-right at best.
Agreed. Though it applies to both sides. I wish people would go back to addressing what someone says, instead of using their comments as a launchpad to make an attack an some abstract Other that only really exists in their head.
Four years of being told I was a fascist, because I didn't thinkCome on now, concede nothing! There's no reason to think you wont's be told that for (at least) another four years!
And since you have a weak memory, let me reiterate a remark you made:No, the "abstract Other" was my post, not Mercurius'. I was objecting to your "you and yours", because you were explicitly conflating a person with everything you associated with a side, instead of addressing what they said.
No, the "abstract Other" was my post, not Mercurius'. I was objecting to your "you and yours", because you were explicitly conflating a person with everything you associated with a side, instead of addressing what they said.Pat, let me make it simpler for you: I don't care what you think in this situation.
Though looking back, this whole chain of replies is a complete mess. You've been primarily replying to Mercurius, but the initial "you and yours" post wasn't a reply to Mercurius, it was a reply to Elfdart. Whose post was ridiculously inflammatory, calling a broad swath of people (you probably included) fascists. But that was Elfdart, not any of the people you've been replying to lately.
Right now I can pull another dozen names -- and these aren't just Twatter nobodies, these are public figures with blue checkmarks who in some cases hold or have held public office -- who happily discuss how much they want to punish anyone who didn't want to vote for Joe Biden or for that matter, Hillary Clinton. This is the state of politics today in the U.S.Fuck this, I tried.
STOP FUCKING TELLING ME I'M IMAGINING IT.
The reason it’s gaslighting is because what “principled liberals” here react to, is someone to their right making a hyperbolic statement - but not someone to their left.
Jhkim and Mercurius will ask those to the right of them to moderate and to please not become overly partisan. If hard leftists post similarly from farther to their left, that is directly replied to to a much lesser degree.
The reason it’s gaslighting is because what “principled liberals” here react to, is someone to their right making a hyperbolic statement - but not someone to their left.
Jhkim and Mercurius will ask those to the right of them to moderate and to please not become overly partisan. If hard leftists post similarly from farther to their left, that is directly replied to to a much lesser degree. It is essentially accepted as a sunk outcome while they focus on convincing those right of them to always note all leftists aren’t like that, and to not become likewise
This is gaslighting, because the root cause (those to their left) is not addressed. It also is passive, refusing to ever define ahead of time the line beyond when those to their left have gone so far an immoderate approach is warranted.
This is how scissors works. It can’t effect those left of them, and so concentrates on preventing those right of them from changing mindset with appeals to principles that are only effective when upheld by all, but which become Neville-variety appeasement (at best) when held unilaterally.
It’s really, really important though that those to their right never respond to rock without stopping to spontaneously acknowledge how scissors is different than rock
There's isn't anyone on the left here who is close to the prolificness and extreme language of SHARK's rants...Elfdart start more recently, but is doing their damnedest to catch up. And SHARK is quite reasonable most of the time, it's just this election seems to bring out the cheerleaders. On that topic more than any other, the tone has changed from debate to team rallying cries.
The reason it’s gaslighting is because what “principled liberals” here react to, is someone to their right making a hyperbolic statement - but not someone to their left.
Jhkim and Mercurius will ask those to the right of them to moderate and to please not become overly partisan. If hard leftists post similarly from farther to their left, that is directly replied to to a much lesser degree.
In recent times, I agreed with shuddemell in his link condemning extremist leftist threats. I pushed back correcting rawma when he claimed that Veritas hadn't posted their video. I agreed in calling Maduro a dictator.
I more often respond against right-wing talk - but on this forum, right-wing talk is much more common than left-wing talk. There's isn't anyone on the left here who is close to the prolificness and extreme language of SHARK's rants, or extreme claims to the level of RandyB or consolcwby citing over 30 million fraudulent votes. We have had some extreme left here in the past - Biscuitician was an extreme left-wing poster, for example. But in general, I'm responding to the frequency and extremism of posts.
In left-wing circles, I find I'm often considered a pain-in-the-ass and possibly a traitor for my positions.
Thanks for bringing philosophical depth to the conversation - as well as tinges of humor interspersed throughout.:hattip:
I think my main objection to your narrative is that it seems too dualistic, too simplistic. This is not to say that I think you are simplistic--clearly, you are not--but that there are many other factors involved, many roots that have grown the tree that we currently experience (or streams that feed the river), and you're singling out a specific root or stream (whichever metaphor you prefer), which leads to ignoring other roots and streams.
For instance, a major aspect of American politics centers around the question of American empire and the nature and use of power, and how that is spun. Some feel that America should be the dominant force in global politics, and should wield their military might to keep the order (while also protecting corporate interests), while others feel that we shouldn't be as involved in other nations and be more focused on domestic concerns and/or peace efforts globally. This isn't a right-left split, as progressives and libertarians come close to agreement on the latter, and are in opposition to the establishment narrative, whether left-leaning or right-leaning.
Another relevant stream is the twin ideals of liberty and equality, and how that has played out in American history. In a very crude way, conservatism focused more on liberty, leftism more on equality. The American experiment has a lot to do with this dialectic, but unfortunately we end up with a clash between the two, rather than an integration, finding a synthesis (to touch upon Hegel). So we find ourselves in a situation where many feel that the two are opposed, and it becomes exacerbated by dualistic thinking on both sides. People on the right say, "individual responsibility - and if you can't hack it in our system, it's your fault." People on the left say, "it is the system that oppresses and is not your fault." So we're left with two very partial, damaging, and ultimately erroneous underlying assumptions.
There's also the question of priorities: where we, as a culture, put our priorities, and how we view "the good life." The left, or at least elements of the left, is basically an objection to the idea that our priorities are focused on economics, on personal gain, on the profit motive - and yes, on individual wealth accumulation, at least when it is at the expense of others (e.g. Jeff Bezos' 200 billion, while his employees work in an untenable environment, with poor pay and benefits). Progressive platforms such as the Green New Deal, UBI, MfA, etc, aren't intended as means to control individual liberty, but increasing quality of life - so that more people (equality) can live "the good life." And perhaps more importantly, that the "good life" should not be defined by finances, but by health, happiness, human relationships, creative fulfillment, etc.
I agree regarding magical thinking, and connected to that, most people vote more affectively - who they like, connect with, feel like is "one of them." Most people also vote for self-interest.
There's isn't anyone on the left here who is close to the prolificness and extreme language of SHARK's rants...Elfdart start more recently, but is doing their damnedest to catch up. And SHARK is quite reasonable most of the time, it's just this election seems to bring out the cheerleaders. On that topic more than any other, the tone has changed from debate to team rallying cries.
The reason it’s gaslighting is because what “principled liberals” here react to, is someone to their right making a hyperbolic statement - but not someone to their left.
Jhkim and Mercurius will ask those to the right of them to moderate and to please not become overly partisan. If hard leftists post similarly from farther to their left, that is directly replied to to a much lesser degree.
In recent times, I agreed with shuddemell in his link condemning extremist leftist threats. I pushed back correcting rawma when he claimed that Veritas hadn't posted their video. I agreed in calling Maduro a dictator.
I more often respond against right-wing talk - but on this forum, right-wing talk is much more common than left-wing talk. There's isn't anyone on the left here who is close to the prolificness and extreme language of SHARK's rants, or extreme claims to the level of RandyB or consolcwby citing over 30 million fraudulent votes. We have had some extreme left here in the past - Biscuitician was an extreme left-wing poster, for example. But in general, I'm responding to the frequency and extremism of posts.
In left-wing circles, I find I'm often considered a pain-in-the-ass and possibly a traitor for my positions.
Jhkim, have you heard the expression of "Throwing the dog a bone"?SHARK, how often do you hotly critique right wingers? Kim is clearly on the left wing (thought not to an extreme), so I wouldn't expect equally balanced treatment of both sides, any more than I would from you.
You periodically throw Conservatives a bone by occasional agreement, or defense, as the case may be--but your critiques against Left wingers is, to be honest, seems awfully tepid.
You know that's right! ;D
And just so we don't make this the 'Ghostmaker takes on all comers' thread, here's some more meat:If you want to know the answer: "Overall, we rate The Buffalo Chronicle Questionable based on far-right-wing bias, a complete lack of transparency, promotion of propaganda/conspiracy theories, and several failed fact checks." https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/the-buffalo-chronicle/ (https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/the-buffalo-chronicle/)
https://buffalochronicle.com/2020/11/14/exclusive-how-a-philly-mob-boss-stole-the-election-and-why-he-may-flip-on-joe-biden/
I have no idea if the Buffalo Chronicle is any good or is another Daily Mail, but holy shit, the brass balls on this son of a bitch if this is true.
If you look closely, I snipe at anyone that encourages violence and escalation, whether they're on the left or right.Jhkim, have you heard the expression of "Throwing the dog a bone"?SHARK, how often do you hotly critique right wingers? Kim is clearly on the left wing (thought not to an extreme), so I wouldn't expect equally balanced treatment of both sides, any more than I would from you.
You periodically throw Conservatives a bone by occasional agreement, or defense, as the case may be--but your critiques against Left wingers is, to be honest, seems awfully tepid.
You know that's right! ;D
Plus, at least from my perspective, criticizing left wing posters on this site often feels like dogpiling, because every post they make often gets a half a dozen impassioned replies. In that case, ducking out isn't tacit agreement, it's just politeness because they're already being hammered.
Though that's shifted a bit in the last couple of days, with rants by Elfdart, drive-by sniping by Happy Daze, and the more reasoned approaches from Mercurious and JHKim. But they're still a minority.
Plus, at least from my perspective, criticizing left wing posters on this site often feels like dogpiling, because every post they make often gets a half a dozen impassioned replies. In that case, ducking out isn't tacit agreement, it's just politeness because they're already being hammered.
There's isn't anyone on the left here who is close to the prolificness and extreme language of SHARK's rants...Elfdart start more recently, but is doing their damnedest to catch up. And SHARK is quite reasonable most of the time, it's just this election seems to bring out the cheerleaders. On that topic more than any other, the tone has changed from debate to team rallying cries.
You periodically throw Conservatives a bone by occasional agreement, or defense, as the case may be--but your critiques against Left wingers is, to be honest, seems awfully tepid.
You know that's right! ;D
Unbelievable how some people are so WANTING a fight, that they call for innocent blood.Around these parts, don't waste your action on trying to disbelieve; what you're seeing is not an illusion.
Norway sure looks pretty in shows like Lillyhammer and Ragnorak.
Am I considered right-wing because I first talked about the electoral college, or that the voters do NOT directly vote for a candidate? Why is it that everyone on the left is on auto-detect and a subversive all of a sudden.If you say literally anything someone doesn't like, odds are very good they'll immediately label you as the Enemy, and start claiming you believe all kinds of things they've assigned to their Enemy. You don't even have to say something political; pointing out a grammatical error is enough.
They are also the ones who think I'm avoiding life. Strategic Retreat for the time being...;)Am I considered right-wing because I first talked about the electoral college, or that the voters do NOT directly vote for a candidate? Why is it that everyone on the left is on auto-detect and a subversive all of a sudden.@Pat
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They're the experts in what you believe, not you.
Well, Nicholas Maduro is a Dictator, and one of the worst. Typical Old World 'Strongman". He was legitimately elected using voting machines designed by a CIA backed company to finagle the vote. And let's just take a close look at those national elections in Venezuela, shall we?
Whenever your President has barred members of the opposition from having an opportunity to be elected, forced them into exile (...becuase they are afraid of being assassinated), or otherwise placed them under house arrest you can be 100% certain said President is a De Facto Banana Republic Dictator.
Nicholas Maduro made his business fortune from Drug Trafficking, and there is an oustanding arrest warrant for him, and fifteen million dollar bounty for his capture on his head.
There is your hero, Elfdart, right there.
And yet you still don't HEAR a damn thing I say. But that's par for the course.Right now I can pull another dozen names -- and these aren't just Twatter nobodies, these are public figures with blue checkmarks who in some cases hold or have held public office -- who happily discuss how much they want to punish anyone who didn't want to vote for Joe Biden or for that matter, Hillary Clinton. This is the state of politics today in the U.S.Fuck this, I tried.
STOP FUCKING TELLING ME I'M IMAGINING IT.
I never told you you imagined anything, BTW. I said you took a lot of things, combined them, and then attacked other people as if they were that thing.
If you want to know the answer: "Overall, we rate The Buffalo Chronicle Questionable based on far-right-wing bias, a complete lack of transparency, promotion of propaganda/conspiracy theories, and several failed fact checks." https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/the-buffalo-chronicle/ (https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/the-buffalo-chronicle/)Aww, you trotted out Dave Van Zandt's pet website!
You're imagining it.And yet you still don't HEAR a damn thing I say. But that's par for the course.Right now I can pull another dozen names -- and these aren't just Twatter nobodies, these are public figures with blue checkmarks who in some cases hold or have held public office -- who happily discuss how much they want to punish anyone who didn't want to vote for Joe Biden or for that matter, Hillary Clinton. This is the state of politics today in the U.S.Fuck this, I tried.
STOP FUCKING TELLING ME I'M IMAGINING IT.
I never told you you imagined anything, BTW. I said you took a lot of things, combined them, and then attacked other people as if they were that thing.
In any event, it's hard to take seriously an article that refers to the late Hugo Chavez as a "dictator" when he was legitimately elected and made it a point not to crush his enemies -even after they tried at least one putsch against him.That's not a very good argument. Hitler, of all people, rose to power in a legitimate election. Plenty of dictators use democratic means to acquire power; the defining characteristic is how they change rules or use extralegal means to ensure they stay in power. And Chavez not only changed the Constitution and packed the courts to maintain his hold, he even started his career as part of a failed military coup. Venezuela never became fully authoritarian under his rule, but it was on the border.
Hmm... You sure know alot about NAZIS. Are they part of your interests? Conflict Simulations? Just wondering...In any event, it's hard to take seriously an article that refers to the late Hugo Chavez as a "dictator" when he was legitimately elected and made it a point not to crush his enemies -even after they tried at least one putsch against him.That's not a very good argument. Hitler, of all people, rose to power in a legitimate election. Plenty of dictators use democratic means to acquire power; the defining characteristic is how they change rules or use extralegal means to ensure they stay in power. And Chavez not only changed the Constitution and packed the courts to maintain his hold, he even started his career as part of a failed military coup. Venezuela never became fully authoritarian under his rule, but it was on the border.
That's a slippery way of wording it. Hitler was trounced in the 1932 presidential election by Hindenburg, but got the chancellorship in a corrupt bargain when the German establishment (landowners, bankers, industrialists, etc) decided to back him and put him over. So no, Hitler was never elected. He got the job in a backroom deal.
I pushed back correcting rawma when he claimed that Veritas hadn't posted their video.
The reason it’s gaslighting is because what “principled liberals” here react to, is someone to their right making a hyperbolic statement - but not someone to their left.
Jhkim and Mercurius will ask those to the right of them to moderate and to please not become overly partisan. If hard leftists post similarly from farther to their left, that is directly replied to to a much lesser degree.
In recent times, I agreed with shuddemell in his link condemning extremist leftist threats. I pushed back correcting rawma when he claimed that Veritas hadn't posted their video. I agreed in calling Maduro a dictator.
I more often respond against right-wing talk - but on this forum, right-wing talk is much more common than left-wing talk. There's isn't anyone on the left here who is close to the prolificness and extreme language of SHARK's rants, or extreme claims to the level of RandyB or consolcwby citing over 30 million fraudulent votes. We have had some extreme left here in the past - Biscuitician was an extreme left-wing poster, for example. But in general, I'm responding to the frequency and extremism of posts.
In left-wing circles, I find I'm often considered a pain-in-the-ass and possibly a traitor for my positions.
Plus, at least from my perspective, criticizing left wing posters on this site often feels like dogpiling, because every post they make often gets a half a dozen impassioned replies. In that case, ducking out isn't tacit agreement, it's just politeness because they're already being hammered.
I think we're lucky to have the few voices of opposition we have, excepting the ones who just do it to troll. If someone's going to argue a point effectively, they need to be able to address criticism. Some posters are better at this than others.
Lillyhammer is about an american gangster who gets witness relocated to Norway (no way in hell I see that happening) and the resulting culture clash is hilarious.
And just so we don't make this the 'Ghostmaker takes on all comers' thread, here's some more meat:
https://buffalochronicle.com/2020/11/14/exclusive-how-a-philly-mob-boss-stole-the-election-and-why-he-may-flip-on-joe-biden/
I have no idea if the Buffalo Chronicle is any good or is another Daily Mail, but holy shit, the brass balls on this son of a bitch if this is true.
I don’t give Rawma any guff; he wears the colors of the opposition openly.
It's an exactly precise way of wording it. Hindenberg won the presidency, but the Nazis were in ascendance and later that year became the largest bloc in the Reichstag. The position of Chancellor was appointed by the President, who choose Hitler. That's how parliamentary systems work; positions are granted as part of a negotiation to share power when forming a coalition. It's not a direct election for a specific position, but it's still a democratic system based on free elections.
That's a slippery way of wording it. Hitler was trounced in the 1932 presidential election by Hindenburg, but got the chancellorship in a corrupt bargain when the German establishment (landowners, bankers, industrialists, etc) decided to back him and put him over. So no, Hitler was never elected. He got the job in a backroom deal.
Nevermind that Trump wasn't much of a conservative and has little resemblance to Bob Dole, George Bush Sr. George Bush Jr., John McCain, and Mitt Romney
But I am quite willing to listen to the non-crazy conservatives.
I think that's out of date. The canvassing board for Wayne County was deadlocked 2-2 in a party line vote around 6 pm, but they got swamped by denouncers in Zoom, and voted again at 9 pm. The second vote was unanimous in favor of approving the results, on the condition that the Michigan Secretary of State's office conduct an audit of the precincts where the number of ballots cast doesn't match the number of people who signed into the polling locations to vote.
Nevermind that Trump wasn't much of a conservative and has little resemblance to Bob Dole, George Bush Sr. George Bush Jr., John McCain, and Mitt Romney
Quite true. Trump is the only person on that list who put America first.But I am quite willing to listen to the non-crazy conservatives.
The cucks on their knees will be happy to have somebody to talk to!
As for me, I couldn't give a shit about leftists "listening" or "discussing" because I do not seek any common ground nor any future where involving compromise nor any civility whatsoever.
I think that's out of date. The canvassing board for Wayne County was deadlocked 2-2 in a party line vote around 6 pm, but they got swamped by denouncers in Zoom, and voted again at 9 pm. The second vote was unanimous in favor of approving the results, on the condition that the Michigan Secretary of State's office conduct an audit of the precincts where the number of ballots cast doesn't match the number of people who signed into the polling locations to vote.
Sounce: WSJ article, updated 11/17, 11:28 pm.
https://www.wsj.com/articles/michigan-ballot-count-uncertain-after-board-action-11605660687
Greetings!It made me do a double take. I had read the WSJ article a few hours ago, went back to check something after you posted the link, and the entire article had changed.
Really, Pat? Holy Fuck! My YouTube Newsfeed thingy said the Hodgetwins video was *just two hours ago*. Geesus. Changes by the hour! Well, fuck. It was recent as far as I knew. Damn!
Who knows what will happen.
Semper Fidelis,
SHARK
I must reluctantly conceed that America is an Empire, but as a citizen of the Country of America, I have to agree that, as much as I like Korma, if I wanted to live in India, I'd move to Mumbai, just to pick one of the many possible provinces of Empire currently influencing our local politics. The solution seems quite obvious to me: End the Empire. Pull the warships back, close the foreign bases, and stop tossing MOABs around like they were fourth of july fireworks. I do not care of the Hutus and Tutsis are slaughtering each other with machetes. I don't care which tribe rules Yemen, or if Iran or Turkey gets to play kingmaker in the Middle East. I don't care if China plants a flag on a god damn glorified sand bar in the South China Sea, or if Japan bombs Beijing because they are pissed that their flag isn't flying over said glorified Sandbar. Let them murder each other, or not.
First false or stolen election in my lifetime.
I am dreading January because I really think intense rioting or a "Lite"Civil War will happen.
Don't feel too bad about that one, Shark. That one practically changed at the last minute, and they had to agree to a comprehensive audit just to certify (honestly, I'd have held out for the audit FIRST, before certifying, but eh, such is life).I think that's out of date. The canvassing board for Wayne County was deadlocked 2-2 in a party line vote around 6 pm, but they got swamped by denouncers in Zoom, and voted again at 9 pm. The second vote was unanimous in favor of approving the results, on the condition that the Michigan Secretary of State's office conduct an audit of the precincts where the number of ballots cast doesn't match the number of people who signed into the polling locations to vote.
Sounce: WSJ article, updated 11/17, 11:28 pm.
https://www.wsj.com/articles/michigan-ballot-count-uncertain-after-board-action-11605660687
Greetings!
Really, Pat? Holy Fuck! My YouTube Newsfeed thingy said the Hodgetwins video was *just two hours ago*. Geesus. Changes by the hour! Well, fuck. It was recent as far as I knew. Damn!
Who knows what will happen.
Semper Fidelis,
SHARK
I must reluctantly conceed that America is an Empire, but as a citizen of the Country of America, I have to agree that, as much as I like Korma, if I wanted to live in India, I'd move to Mumbai, just to pick one of the many possible provinces of Empire currently influencing our local politics. The solution seems quite obvious to me: End the Empire. Pull the warships back, close the foreign bases, and stop tossing MOABs around like they were fourth of july fireworks. I do not care of the Hutus and Tutsis are slaughtering each other with machetes. I don't care which tribe rules Yemen, or if Iran or Turkey gets to play kingmaker in the Middle East. I don't care if China plants a flag on a god damn glorified sand bar in the South China Sea, or if Japan bombs Beijing because they are pissed that their flag isn't flying over said glorified Sandbar. Let them murder each other, or not.
The moment you stop being an empire, the dollar stops being the world's currency.
The moment the dollar stops being the world's currency, the USA default on their national debt.
The moment the USA default, your quality of life goes down the drain.
A significant portion of your standard of living is linked to the massive economic advantage of being the world's first superpower. Once that goes, so your standard of living is going to drop.
Also, isolationism works only until the world comes knocking to your door. Ask Bush.
When people on this forum dare say they didn't vote for Trump, knowing they are outnumbered 10 to 1, calling them trolls makes it even harder. I've never trolled here once, but people here have accused me of it purely based on my disagreeing. And damn dude, you know how hard it is to "address criticism" when every post of yours gets a massive number of long detailed responses? No, you don't, at least not here. Because you outnumber the "opposition" ten to one. Cut people some fucking slack when you know you have them so outnumbered.
Oh please unlike other posters here your called a troll and disingenuous because you go out of your way to do both. Not because your disagree with others. In the gaming forum in the Thirty Sword Lesbian thread you knew full well how some posters felt about the rpg. Then came into the thread pretending to be both naive and clueless about it. Even when you knew full well how some of use felt about the rpg. So if your going to pretend to be naive and stupid on purpose then expect to be called both a troll and disingenuous on this board and others. Espcially if you can't be bothered to actual read the thread in question.
So stop with the martyr and victim complex because your not fooling anyone here.
The moment you stop being an empire, the dollar stops being the world's currency.
The moment the dollar stops being the world's currency, the USA default on their national debt.
The moment the USA default, your quality of life goes down the drain.
A significant portion of your standard of living is linked to the massive economic advantage of being the world's first superpower. Once that goes, so your standard of living is going to drop.
Also, isolationism works only until the world comes knocking to your door. Ask Bush.
The standard of living for the average American has been dropping steadily since 1976, at least as measured in real income. We've been outrunning a massive correction on debt for even longer. If there must be a collapse (and really, there must. That which cannot stand will not stand and all that), why not combine that with the added benefit of ending our Imperial ambitions?That's not quite true. The standard of living, as defined by inflation-adjusted compensation, has improved since the 1970s. And that underestimates the real improvement in the standard of living, because metrics like the consumer price index only track changes in price, and don't account for all the improvements in quality or value. For instance, even if a car in 2020 costs the same in inflation-adjusted dollars as a car from 1980, the newer car is more efficient, safer, and has many new features. This is especially true when it comes to technology, but applies to nearly all consumer products. The average person in 2020 has more and better stuff than their equivalent in 1980.
Greetings!
Get ready for endless fucking Liberal tears.
No evidence of fraud, my ass.
Choke on it, bitches.
Semper Fidelis,
SHARK
If Sidney Powell has the evidence she claims she has, and if she can prove the crimes and fraud she claims she can, then we're going to learn that more than one election has been stolen.
When people on this forum dare say they didn't vote for Trump, knowing they are outnumbered 10 to 1, calling them trolls makes it even harder. I've never trolled here once, but people here have accused me of it purely based on my disagreeing. And damn dude, you know how hard it is to "address criticism" when every post of yours gets a massive number of long detailed responses? No, you don't, at least not here. Because you outnumber the "opposition" ten to one. Cut people some fucking slack when you know you have them so outnumbered.
Oh please unlike other posters here your called a troll and disingenuous because you go out of your way to do both. Not because your disagree with others. In the gaming forum in the Thirty Sword Lesbian thread you knew full well how some posters felt about the rpg. Then came into the thread pretending to be both naive and clueless about it. Even when you knew full well how some of use felt about the rpg. So if your going to pretend to be naive and stupid on purpose then expect to be called both a troll and disingenuous on this board and others. Espcially if you can't be bothered to actual read the thread in question.
So stop with the martyr and victim complex because your not fooling anyone here.
Oh please unlike other posters here your called a troll and disingenuous because you go out of your way to do both. Not because your disagree with others. In the gaming forum in the Thirty Sword Lesbian thread you knew full well how some posters felt about the rpg. Then came into the thread pretending to be both naive and clueless about it. Even when you knew full well how some of use felt about the rpg. So if your going to pretend to be naive and stupid on purpose then expect to be called both a troll and disingenuous on this board and others. Espcially if you can't be bothered to actual read the thread in question.
So stop with the martyr and victim complex because your not fooling anyone here.
I honestly think you need to follow your own advice and put Mistwell into the ignore list. Your feeding the trolls at this point and Mistwell isn't a honest person.
I really think intense rioting or a "Lite"Civil War will happen.The real question is, will you be shouting "Tastes Great" or "Less Filling" when that time comes?
-Ed C
The moment you stop being an empire, the dollar stops being the world's currency.
The moment the dollar stops being the world's currency, the USA default on their national debt.
The moment the USA default, your quality of life goes down the drain.
A significant portion of your standard of living is linked to the massive economic advantage of being the world's first superpower. Once that goes, so your standard of living is going to drop.
Also, isolationism works only until the world comes knocking to your door. Ask Bush.
That's not quite true. The standard of living, as defined by inflation-adjusted compensation, has improved since the 1970s. And that underestimates the real improvement in the standard of living, because metrics like the consumer price index only track changes in price, and don't account for all the improvements in quality or value. For instance, even if a car in 2020 costs the same in inflation-adjusted dollars as a car from 1980, the newer car is more efficient, safer, and has many new features. This is especially true when it comes to technology, but applies to nearly all consumer products. The average person in 2020 has more and better stuff than their equivalent in 1980.
The qualification is that inflation-adjusted wages haven't improved that much. As curves go, it's pretty flat. And that's over the same period where measures of the overall economy, like the gross domestic product, have been growing at a pretty solid rate. That's because the growth has been going into other sectors, like the capital industries. The stock market, for instance, has grown at a rate that drastically outstrips the growth in wages. Which is a big part of the reason why the rich have been getting richer.
So while we're better off than we were in the 1970s, it can feel like the average worker is falling behind. That's because they are. The workers haven't shared fully in the economy growth. Their slice is bigger in overall terms, but it's a smaller part of the overall pie.
So while we're better off than we were in the 1970s, it can feel like the average worker is falling behind. That's because they are. The workers haven't shared fully in the economy growth. Their slice is bigger in overall terms, but it's a smaller part of the overall pie.
Ah, but Spike, the intentions were all good. What does it matter if the results of decades of financial-government fuckery are to screw things up even worse?
Adjusted for Inflation from 1952 the average home price has risen 3.5 times. The cost of the average car has doubled, as have stamps, while college tuition has risen eight times. Food is a mixed bag, and has mostly remained stable.
Meanwhile, average incomes have fallen to HALF.
I'm sorry, but halved income and doubling or more of necessities such as homes, is not 'a bigger slice'. If I have to work SEVEN TIMES as hard just to keep a roof over my head compared to the previous generation, then by no fucking definition am I doing better. By no definition am I doing 'the same'.
I'll remind you that the first fundamental principle of survival is shelter. Its also the base of the heirarchy of needs. This isn't some pissant nuisance like the cost of a fucking iPhone, or the price of gas (Mostly stable, 1% increase).
Pull the other one, its got bells.
The standard of living for the average American has been dropping steadily since 1976, at least as measured in real income. We've been outrunning a massive correction on debt for even longer. If there must be a collapse (and really, there must. That which cannot stand will not stand and all that), why not combine that with the added benefit of ending our Imperial ambitions?That's not quite true. The standard of living, as defined by inflation-adjusted compensation, has improved since the 1970s. And that underestimates the real improvement in the standard of living, because metrics like the consumer price index only track changes in price, and don't account for all the improvements in quality or value. For instance, even if a car in 2020 costs the same in inflation-adjusted dollars as a car from 1980, the newer car is more efficient, safer, and has many new features. This is especially true when it comes to technology, but applies to nearly all consumer products. The average person in 2020 has more and better stuff than their equivalent in 1980.
The qualification is that inflation-adjusted wages haven't improved that much. As curves go, it's pretty flat. And that's over the same period where measures of the overall economy, like the gross domestic product, have been growing at a pretty solid rate. That's because the growth has been going into other sectors, like the capital industries. The stock market, for instance, has grown at a rate that drastically outstrips the growth in wages. Which is a big part of the reason why the rich have been getting richer.
So while we're better off than we were in the 1970s, it can feel like the average worker is falling behind. That's because they are. The workers haven't shared fully in the economy growth. Their slice is bigger in overall terms, but it's a smaller part of the overall pie.
When people on this forum dare say they didn't vote for Trump, knowing they are outnumbered 10 to 1, calling them trolls makes it even harder. I've never trolled here once, but people here have accused me of it purely based on my disagreeing. And damn dude, you know how hard it is to "address criticism" when every post of yours gets a massive number of long detailed responses? No, you don't, at least not here. Because you outnumber the "opposition" ten to one. Cut people some fucking slack when you know you have them so outnumbered.
Oh please unlike other posters here your called a troll and disingenuous because you go out of your way to do both. Not because your disagree with others. In the gaming forum in the Thirty Sword Lesbian thread you knew full well how some posters felt about the rpg. Then came into the thread pretending to be both naive and clueless about it. Even when you knew full well how some of use felt about the rpg. So if your going to pretend to be naive and stupid on purpose then expect to be called both a troll and disingenuous on this board and others. Espcially if you can't be bothered to actual read the thread in question.
So stop with the martyr and victim complex because your not fooling anyone here.
No man, you're so surrounded by people who think exactly like you do on those kinds of topics you cannot even imagine that I don't assume people think like that. I was not trolling. I was giving you my honest opinion, but my opinion was so far from your bubble you cannot imagine it was honest because you don't see opinions like those in your life these days.
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So while we're better off than we were in the 1970s, it can feel like the average worker is falling behind. That's because they are. The workers haven't shared fully in the economy growth. Their slice is bigger in overall terms, but it's a smaller part of the overall pie.
When people on this forum dare say they didn't vote for Trump, knowing they are outnumbered 10 to 1, calling them trolls makes it even harder. I've never trolled here once, but people here have accused me of it purely based on my disagreeing. And damn dude, you know how hard it is to "address criticism" when every post of yours gets a massive number of long detailed responses? No, you don't, at least not here. Because you outnumber the "opposition" ten to one. Cut people some fucking slack when you know you have them so outnumbered.
Oh please unlike other posters here your called a troll and disingenuous because you go out of your way to do both. Not because your disagree with others. In the gaming forum in the Thirty Sword Lesbian thread you knew full well how some posters felt about the rpg. Then came into the thread pretending to be both naive and clueless about it. Even when you knew full well how some of use felt about the rpg. So if your going to pretend to be naive and stupid on purpose then expect to be called both a troll and disingenuous on this board and others. Espcially if you can't be bothered to actual read the thread in question.
So stop with the martyr and victim complex because your not fooling anyone here.
I pushed back correcting rawma when he claimed that Veritas hadn't posted their video.
To be more accurate, I said no recording on the page linked to, since I could only find there the claim that it existed, and I joked that it was a rickroll failure. I acknowledged your providing links but neither link you gave appears to be on the page that was linked to. If Brad wants to put forward some evidence, he should link to the evidence, not to some conservative website that simply asserts that the evidence exists. You are generally even-handed (if it seems not so to conservatives, it's because reality has a well known liberal bias) but you shouldn't misrepresent what I said to boost your both-sides credentials.
I'm still not gonna waste two hours on anything edited by Project Veritas. But the link below suggests that the recording doesn't add anything to the story prior to that, but adds that the total of "late arriving but postmarked by Nov 3rd" ballots in Pennsylvania were only around 10,000 (not enough to swing the state; I don't even know if they were even counted yet). Further, Erie had only 129 such and the whistleblower's facility had only 2 of these.
https://factcheck.thedispatch.com/p/did-a-postal-worker-witness-ballot
EDITED TO ADD: jhkim, care to acknowledge my correction of you? https://www.therpgsite.com/the-rpgpundit-s-own-forum/2020-election-commentary/msg1151983/?topicseen#msg1151983
Both parties have had recent opportunity to pass through meaningful election reform with undivided control.That would require that Democrats recognized the danger 10 to 12 years ago, before the wave of Republican gerrymandering after the 2010 election. It is a mystery why the all-Republican government of 2017-2018 did not fix the problems (like shortages in the national stockpile for pandemics) the Trump administration has blamed Obama for.
If the Democrats thought that Republicans were hugely cheating, they could have passed election reform legislation during Obama's first two years.
If the Republicans thought that Democrats were hugely cheating, they could have passed election reform legislation during Trump's first two years and/or launched investigations to prove the fraudulent votes in 2016.
Instead, it seems that the existing system is roughly balanced between Republicans and Democrats, and neither are pushing for any major reforms - at most minor tweaks. Rather than constantly bitching only about the other side, we should fix the system.
But elections are run by states, not the federal government; Democrats in Wisconsin, Michigan and Pennsylvania asked for changes to the vote counting to avoid the current issues by counting mailed ballots earlier, and the unrepresentative Republican legislatures refused to do so. If the mailed ballots that are counted last are mostly for Biden, it's because Trump discouraged his voters from using mailed ballots (at least in those states; Florida it was OK, for some unexplained reason).
Gerrymandering is an old and well-understood problem, though, so Democrats should have understood the danger of it. It seems to me that it wasn't a priority. I suspect it's because gerrymandering tends to help those who are ahead. So while Democrats were ahead, they felt that gerrymandering was not a major problem for them.
Greetings!
Get ready for endless fucking Liberal tears.
No evidence of fraud, my ass.
Choke on it, bitches.
Semper Fidelis,
SHARK
I am not trying to be insulting when I say this but I suspect it will come across that way.
SHARK my friend, you don't see what you look like to others anymore.
How did you not see this wasn't the "Holy shit I was right and you were wrong Trump won!" in the moment? My man, why are you not holding yourself at least as accountable for falling for click bait on YouTube as you'd hold others?
Don't feel too bad about that one, Shark. That one practically changed at the last minute, and they had to agree to a comprehensive audit just to certify (honestly, I'd have held out for the audit FIRST, before certifying, but eh, such is life).I think that's out of date. The canvassing board for Wayne County was deadlocked 2-2 in a party line vote around 6 pm, but they got swamped by denouncers in Zoom, and voted again at 9 pm. The second vote was unanimous in favor of approving the results, on the condition that the Michigan Secretary of State's office conduct an audit of the precincts where the number of ballots cast doesn't match the number of people who signed into the polling locations to vote.
Sounce: WSJ article, updated 11/17, 11:28 pm.
https://www.wsj.com/articles/michigan-ballot-count-uncertain-after-board-action-11605660687
Greetings!
Really, Pat? Holy Fuck! My YouTube Newsfeed thingy said the Hodgetwins video was *just two hours ago*. Geesus. Changes by the hour! Well, fuck. It was recent as far as I knew. Damn!
Who knows what will happen.
Semper Fidelis,
SHARK
The standard of living for the average American has been dropping steadily since 1976, at least as measured in real income. We've been outrunning a massive correction on debt for even longer. If there must be a collapse (and really, there must. That which cannot stand will not stand and all that), why not combine that with the added benefit of ending our Imperial ambitions?That's not quite true. The standard of living, as defined by inflation-adjusted compensation, has improved since the 1970s. And that underestimates the real improvement in the standard of living, because metrics like the consumer price index only track changes in price, and don't account for all the improvements in quality or value. For instance, even if a car in 2020 costs the same in inflation-adjusted dollars as a car from 1980, the newer car is more efficient, safer, and has many new features. This is especially true when it comes to technology, but applies to nearly all consumer products. The average person in 2020 has more and better stuff than their equivalent in 1980.
The qualification is that inflation-adjusted wages haven't improved that much. As curves go, it's pretty flat. And that's over the same period where measures of the overall economy, like the gross domestic product, have been growing at a pretty solid rate. That's because the growth has been going into other sectors, like the capital industries. The stock market, for instance, has grown at a rate that drastically outstrips the growth in wages. Which is a big part of the reason why the rich have been getting richer.
So while we're better off than we were in the 1970s, it can feel like the average worker is falling behind. That's because they are. The workers haven't shared fully in the economy growth. Their slice is bigger in overall terms, but it's a smaller part of the overall pie.
I think that the more important metric is that Americans are working longer hours and are falling more in debt simply in order to get the basics of a house, car, and food. Yes, they can buy a lot more and better consumer goods. Now their TV is HD, and they have smartphones instead of landlines, their cars have airbags and GPS, and so forth. But I question how well that measures actual quality of life. Some advancements are great, but some seem to just make people more miserable. More addictive designer drugs and social media, for example.
EDIT: Cross-posted with Spike, whom I largely agree with on this point.
I think that the more important metric is that Americans are working longer hours and are falling more in debt simply in order to get the basics of a house, car, and food. Yes, they can buy a lot more and better consumer goods. Now their TV is HD, and they have smartphones instead of landlines, their cars have airbags and GPS, and so forth. But I question how well that measures actual quality of life. Some advancements are great, but some seem to just make people more miserable. More addictive designer drugs and social media, for example.
Excellent points, Jhkim. I agree entirely. It has been very troubling how through the years, whether it is a Republican administration or a Democrat administration, there's always more talk, but nothing really changes. It's all lies and BS.
Trump is the first President since Reagan that has actually kept his promises, and actually made REAL changes. I made more money, paid less taxes, and experienced less fees, red tape, and BS in the process of starting my business.
Stupid people finance their recreation. Stupid people decide to get an expensive 4 year degree instead of looking for a 2 years of technical training to make money. Stupid people dont pay cash for cars. Stupid people get credit cards (I would allow for saying stupid people carry a balance on credit cards). That graph looks like Americans consistently get more and more stupid and careless with their money. I have a feeling they got fatter under trump too, since it appears getting stupider also makes people get fatter. Two things Americans damn sure have done since the 50's is waste a shitload of money and get fat.I think that the more important metric is that Americans are working longer hours and are falling more in debt simply in order to get the basics of a house, car, and food. Yes, they can buy a lot more and better consumer goods. Now their TV is HD, and they have smartphones instead of landlines, their cars have airbags and GPS, and so forth. But I question how well that measures actual quality of life. Some advancements are great, but some seem to just make people more miserable. More addictive designer drugs and social media, for example.
Excellent points, Jhkim. I agree entirely. It has been very troubling how through the years, whether it is a Republican administration or a Democrat administration, there's always more talk, but nothing really changes. It's all lies and BS.
Trump is the first President since Reagan that has actually kept his promises, and actually made REAL changes. I made more money, paid less taxes, and experienced less fees, red tape, and BS in the process of starting my business.
On average, though, Americans have gone more into debt under Trump. Here's a graph from Marketwatch of consumer debt levels, for example,
(https://ei.marketwatch.com/Multimedia/2019/06/19/Photos/NS/MW-HL737_consum_20190619152202_NS.png?uuid=83e3155c-92c7-11e9-8df5-9c8e992d421e)
Source: https://www.marketwatch.com/story/us-consumer-debt-is-now-breaching-levels-last-reached-during-the-2008-financial-crisis-2019-06-19
It seems to me that Trump's main economic approaches have been overall standard strategy for Republicans: cut taxes and cut regulations. Also like previous Republican administrations, government spending hasn't decreased, and the deficit has continued to grow. In the long-term, the trend has been household debt going up since the 1950s under both Democrat and Republican administrations. But particularly in recent times, some approaches have lead to even faster increases. The Bush administration oversaw the sharpest increase, but there was also increase under Trump.
I think that the mainstream of both Democrats and Republicans are in bed with Wall Street, and they have contributed to this trend where most Americans are doing worse and the rich are getting richer. In my mind, though, politics is always about choosing the lesser of evils. Economics is tricky, and I'm far from completely sure about it, but I have to make a judgement about what policies I feel are most believable. Regarding Republican economics - the justification I've most often seen has been that cutting taxes on the rich helps grow the economy and lifts everyone up. But what I see is that everyone isn't being raised up.
Stupid people finance their recreation. Stupid people decide to get an expensive 4 year degree instead of looking for a 2 years of technical training to make money. Stupid people dont pay cash for cars. Stupid people get credit cards (I would allow for saying stupid people carry a balance on credit cards). That graph looks like Americans consistently get more and more stupid and careless with their money. I have a feeling they got fatter under trump too, since it appears getting stupider also makes people get fatter. Two things Americans damn sure have done since the 50's is waste a shitload of money and get fat.
Thats because when they *think* they have more money, they act dumber. Not rocket science. That and greedy bankers called it quits to lending just anyone money for a while after almost sending the nation back to 1930. Lesser evil for me is certainly people spending money they do not have for degrees they do not get when compared to wanting dudes in the girls locker room and to push critical race theory. I could even say here, lesser evil is not evil at all. It is like nature, its neutral. The tiger is there, and you get the Darwin award if you go yank its tail. But pushing ideas like critical race theory, or putting dudes in the bathroom with my daughter...well now we are starting to push towards sending people on crusades. The left needs to check the wind a bit better IMO.Stupid people finance their recreation. Stupid people decide to get an expensive 4 year degree instead of looking for a 2 years of technical training to make money. Stupid people dont pay cash for cars. Stupid people get credit cards (I would allow for saying stupid people carry a balance on credit cards). That graph looks like Americans consistently get more and more stupid and careless with their money. I have a feeling they got fatter under trump too, since it appears getting stupider also makes people get fatter. Two things Americans damn sure have done since the 50's is waste a shitload of money and get fat.
I don't disagree that people are stupid (on average) - but to rephrase my point using your language... It appears that people keep getting stupider, but they got stupid *faster* under Bush and Trump. It's still a question of the lesser evil.
Greetings!
You know what? Put some "gender fluid" Trans freak in the bathroom with *my daughter*--and I guarantee you that my response to the Trans freak wouldn't be pretty, nice, or sweet.
Greetings!What a little bitch. You're all talk, asshole.
You know what? Put some "gender fluid" Trans freak in the bathroom with *my daughter*--and I guarantee you that my response to the Trans freak wouldn't be pretty, nice, or sweet.
I don't care how many of its "rights" I violate, either. The Trans freak is going to have a lot more to worry about than his "rights" being violated.
Oh, is that "escalating violence"? Reee all you want. I make no apologies. These goddamned freaks do not belong anywhere near our women, our daughters, or family!
I would stand rock solid behind any man that felt the same--in or out of a courtroom. I don't give a fuck. There are some things that you know what? Fuck what the cock-sucking society thinks, and fuck what some cucks in government believe. You have to make a stand for what is right, no matter what the cost. Just tell the cuck judge to bring a rope, because you are not backing down, not now, not ever. Let these cuck judges try and judge against people protecting their families. See how fast they see the fucking light when shit gets burned and blood starts flowing in the streets like crazy.
That's right. We know they would shit their fucking pants and change their viewpoints very fast. A rope would be waiting for them right outside their fucking house.
Semper Fidelis,
SHARK
Greetings!
You know what? Put some "gender fluid" Trans freak in the bathroom with *my daughter*--and I guarantee you that my response to the Trans freak wouldn't be pretty, nice, or sweet.
Do you guys not have individual toilet stalls in the US?
All women have to cue up side by side at the toilet like the men do?
Honestly thats pretty weird.
Greetings!What a little bitch. You're all talk, asshole.
You know what? Put some "gender fluid" Trans freak in the bathroom with *my daughter*--and I guarantee you that my response to the Trans freak wouldn't be pretty, nice, or sweet.
I don't care how many of its "rights" I violate, either. The Trans freak is going to have a lot more to worry about than his "rights" being violated.
Oh, is that "escalating violence"? Reee all you want. I make no apologies. These goddamned freaks do not belong anywhere near our women, our daughters, or family!
I would stand rock solid behind any man that felt the same--in or out of a courtroom. I don't give a fuck. There are some things that you know what? Fuck what the cock-sucking society thinks, and fuck what some cucks in government believe. You have to make a stand for what is right, no matter what the cost. Just tell the cuck judge to bring a rope, because you are not backing down, not now, not ever. Let these cuck judges try and judge against people protecting their families. See how fast they see the fucking light when shit gets burned and blood starts flowing in the streets like crazy.
That's right. We know they would shit their fucking pants and change their viewpoints very fast. A rope would be waiting for them right outside their fucking house.
Semper Fidelis,
SHARK
But I am quite willing to listen to the non-crazy conservatives.
The cucks on their knees will be happy to have somebody to talk to!
As for me, I couldn't give a shit about leftists "listening" or "discussing" because I do not seek any common ground nor any future where involving compromise nor any civility whatsoever.
There is and was ongoing fraud.
In several places it was rigged.
First false or stolen election in my lifetime.
I am dreading January because I really think intense rioting or a "Lite"Civil War will happen.
In the gaming forum in the Thirty Sword Lesbian thread
You know what? Put some "gender fluid" Trans freak in the bathroom with *my daughter*--and I guarantee you that my response to the Trans freak wouldn't be pretty, nice, or sweet.
I don't care how many of its "rights" I violate, either. The Trans freak is going to have a lot more to worry about than his "rights" being violated.
Oh, is that "escalating violence"? Reee all you want. I make no apologies. These goddamned freaks do not belong anywhere near our women, our daughters, or family!
You know what? Put some "gender fluid" Trans freak in the bathroom with *my daughter*--and I guarantee you that my response to the Trans freak wouldn't be pretty, nice, or sweet.
I don't care how many of its "rights" I violate, either. The Trans freak is going to have a lot more to worry about than his "rights" being violated.
Oh, is that "escalating violence"? Reee all you want. I make no apologies. These goddamned freaks do not belong anywhere near our women, our daughters, or family!
This is getting hugely off-topic, but I will do my damndest to beat the shit out of you if you lay a finger on a kid in my house - or any other kid - just for going to the goddamn bathroom. Living in the Bay Area, I know a bunch of kids who identify as non-binary or gender fluid. This includes the family who live in the other half of my duplex, whose kid I watched grow from a baby to an awesome high school senior now. I chatted with them recently about their going to Korea next semester for study abroad, which they're excited about. It baffles and enrages me that someone would come and beat them up just for going to the bathroom. The same goes for the children of all my other family, friends, and community members.
When people on this forum dare say they didn't vote for Trump, knowing they are outnumbered 10 to 1, calling them trolls makes it even harder. I've never trolled here once, but people here have accused me of it purely based on my disagreeing. And damn dude, you know how hard it is to "address criticism" when every post of yours gets a massive number of long detailed responses? No, you don't, at least not here. Because you outnumber the "opposition" ten to one. Cut people some fucking slack when you know you have them so outnumbered.
Oh please unlike other posters here your called a troll and disingenuous because you go out of your way to do both. Not because your disagree with others. In the gaming forum in the Thirty Sword Lesbian thread you knew full well how some posters felt about the rpg. Then came into the thread pretending to be both naive and clueless about it. Even when you knew full well how some of use felt about the rpg. So if your going to pretend to be naive and stupid on purpose then expect to be called both a troll and disingenuous on this board and others. Espcially if you can't be bothered to actual read the thread in question.
So stop with the martyr and victim complex because your not fooling anyone here.
No man, you're so surrounded by people who think exactly like you do on those kinds of topics you cannot even imagine that I don't assume people think like that. I was not trolling. I was giving you my honest opinion, but my opinion was so far from your bubble you cannot imagine it was honest because you don't see opinions like those in your life these days.
Then you are, at best, an inconsiderate poster who jumps into a discussion not more than a few days old and doesn't bother to find out what people already have said, and starts thrashing strawmen.
Greetings!
You know what? Put some "gender fluid" Trans freak in the bathroom with *my daughter*--and I guarantee you that my response to the Trans freak wouldn't be pretty, nice, or sweet.
I don't care how many of its "rights" I violate, either. The Trans freak is going to have a lot more to worry about than his "rights" being violated.
Oh, is that "escalating violence"? Reee all you want. I make no apologies. These goddamned freaks do not belong anywhere near our women, our daughters, or family!
I would stand rock solid behind any man that felt the same--in or out of a courtroom. I don't give a fuck. There are some things that you know what? Fuck what the cock-sucking society thinks, and fuck what some cucks in government believe. You have to make a stand for what is right, no matter what the cost. Just tell the cuck judge to bring a rope, because you are not backing down, not now, not ever. Let these cuck judges try and judge against people protecting their families. See how fast they see the fucking light when shit gets burned and blood starts flowing in the streets like crazy.
That's right. We know they would shit their fucking pants and change their viewpoints very fast. A rope would be waiting for them right outside their fucking house.
Semper Fidelis,
SHARK
Greetings!
Ahh, yes. As audits and recounts proceed, it is amazing how thousands of votes for Trump are being found--and cock-sucking Democrat election officials claim, oh, it was just an innocent clerical error.
Lying, corrupt frauds!
Biden's lead in Georgia is disappearing by the hour.
Semper Fidelis,
SHARK
I have no issue with trans people. BUT there are lots of gender dysphoric kids who end up not being trans after going through puberty, so the locker room for school age kids is deal breaker for me, and i mean completely broken deal. For adults, my issue has never been trans people, its the fact it offers cover to male predators to do what male predators do. If I have to choose between some hurt feelings or extra beatings/assaults/rapes in public restrooms, well I will take 1,000,000 hurt feelings over 1 rape. Every time.Greetings!
You know what? Put some "gender fluid" Trans freak in the bathroom with *my daughter*--and I guarantee you that my response to the Trans freak wouldn't be pretty, nice, or sweet.
I don't care how many of its "rights" I violate, either. The Trans freak is going to have a lot more to worry about than his "rights" being violated.
Oh, is that "escalating violence"? Reee all you want. I make no apologies. These goddamned freaks do not belong anywhere near our women, our daughters, or family!
I would stand rock solid behind any man that felt the same--in or out of a courtroom. I don't give a fuck. There are some things that you know what? Fuck what the cock-sucking society thinks, and fuck what some cucks in government believe. You have to make a stand for what is right, no matter what the cost. Just tell the cuck judge to bring a rope, because you are not backing down, not now, not ever. Let these cuck judges try and judge against people protecting their families. See how fast they see the fucking light when shit gets burned and blood starts flowing in the streets like crazy.
That's right. We know they would shit their fucking pants and change their viewpoints very fast. A rope would be waiting for them right outside their fucking house.
Semper Fidelis,
SHARK
I have two close friends who are trans, and one close friend whose child (near adult) is trans or at least trying to figure that question out.
None of them, and I mean none of them in any even vague possible way, would want to use a bathroom with someone else because they want to be near those other people, or leer at those other people, or even look at those other people. The issue has nothing to do with those kinds of things, for them.
All three of these people are nerdy. All three are awkward, even as adults. It's really not about sexuality for any of them. They wouldn't be in a bathroom to make anyone feel uncomfortable, or to feel anything about them. In fact, they'd all prefer to be as invisible as possible. They would just...want to go to the bathroom in peace, without anyone giving them a hassle. Without looking out of place.
I think this is one of those topics which seems one way on a theoretical basis, and seems entirely much more innocent when encountered in real life. This isn't about dirty old men trying to pose as a woman to leer at naked women in bathrooms. This is about people who, at least in my limited experience, are just awkward people who feel out of place and they want to just quietly go to the bathroom like everyone else in the place they feel they're "supposed" to be. Without making eye contact, or conversation, or being noticed really at all.
I have no issue with trans people. BUT there are lots of gender dysphoric kids who end up not being trans after going through puberty, so the locker room for school age kids is deal breaker for me, and i mean completely broken deal. For adults, my issue has never been trans people, its the fact it offers cover to male predators to do what male predators do. If I have to choose between some hurt feelings or extra beatings/assaults/rapes in public restrooms, well I will take 1,000,000 hurt feelings over 1 rape. Every time.Greetings!
You know what? Put some "gender fluid" Trans freak in the bathroom with *my daughter*--and I guarantee you that my response to the Trans freak wouldn't be pretty, nice, or sweet.
I don't care how many of its "rights" I violate, either. The Trans freak is going to have a lot more to worry about than his "rights" being violated.
Oh, is that "escalating violence"? Reee all you want. I make no apologies. These goddamned freaks do not belong anywhere near our women, our daughters, or family!
I would stand rock solid behind any man that felt the same--in or out of a courtroom. I don't give a fuck. There are some things that you know what? Fuck what the cock-sucking society thinks, and fuck what some cucks in government believe. You have to make a stand for what is right, no matter what the cost. Just tell the cuck judge to bring a rope, because you are not backing down, not now, not ever. Let these cuck judges try and judge against people protecting their families. See how fast they see the fucking light when shit gets burned and blood starts flowing in the streets like crazy.
That's right. We know they would shit their fucking pants and change their viewpoints very fast. A rope would be waiting for them right outside their fucking house.
Semper Fidelis,
SHARK
I have two close friends who are trans, and one close friend whose child (near adult) is trans or at least trying to figure that question out.
None of them, and I mean none of them in any even vague possible way, would want to use a bathroom with someone else because they want to be near those other people, or leer at those other people, or even look at those other people. The issue has nothing to do with those kinds of things, for them.
All three of these people are nerdy. All three are awkward, even as adults. It's really not about sexuality for any of them. They wouldn't be in a bathroom to make anyone feel uncomfortable, or to feel anything about them. In fact, they'd all prefer to be as invisible as possible. They would just...want to go to the bathroom in peace, without anyone giving them a hassle. Without looking out of place.
I think this is one of those topics which seems one way on a theoretical basis, and seems entirely much more innocent when encountered in real life. This isn't about dirty old men trying to pose as a woman to leer at naked women in bathrooms. This is about people who, at least in my limited experience, are just awkward people who feel out of place and they want to just quietly go to the bathroom like everyone else in the place they feel they're "supposed" to be. Without making eye contact, or conversation, or being noticed really at all.
I'm still not gonna waste two hours on anything edited by Project Veritas. But the link below suggests that the recording doesn't add anything to the story prior to that, but adds that the total of "late arriving but postmarked by Nov 3rd" ballots in Pennsylvania were only around 10,000 (not enough to swing the state; I don't even know if they were even counted yet). Further, Erie had only 129 such and the whistleblower's facility had only 2 of these.
https://factcheck.thedispatch.com/p/did-a-postal-worker-witness-ballot
I don't intend to single you out, but it sounded to me that the claim was a dig at Veritas rather than at Brad. I totally understand criticizing Veritas - there's a lot there to criticize - but if you're going to make substantial arguments against them, then you have to read them. Dismissing them without reading, and citing liberal sources isn't convincing to anyone who might believe Project Veritas in the first place.
EDITED TO ADD: jhkim, care to acknowledge my correction of you? https://www.therpgsite.com/the-rpgpundit-s-own-forum/2020-election-commentary/msg1151983/?topicseen#msg1151983Both parties have had recent opportunity to pass through meaningful election reform with undivided control.That would require that Democrats recognized the danger 10 to 12 years ago, before the wave of Republican gerrymandering after the 2010 election. It is a mystery why the all-Republican government of 2017-2018 did not fix the problems (like shortages in the national stockpile for pandemics) the Trump administration has blamed Obama for.
If the Democrats thought that Republicans were hugely cheating, they could have passed election reform legislation during Obama's first two years.
If the Republicans thought that Democrats were hugely cheating, they could have passed election reform legislation during Trump's first two years and/or launched investigations to prove the fraudulent votes in 2016.
Instead, it seems that the existing system is roughly balanced between Republicans and Democrats, and neither are pushing for any major reforms - at most minor tweaks. Rather than constantly bitching only about the other side, we should fix the system.
But elections are run by states, not the federal government; Democrats in Wisconsin, Michigan and Pennsylvania asked for changes to the vote counting to avoid the current issues by counting mailed ballots earlier, and the unrepresentative Republican legislatures refused to do so. If the mailed ballots that are counted last are mostly for Biden, it's because Trump discouraged his voters from using mailed ballots (at least in those states; Florida it was OK, for some unexplained reason).
Gerrymandering is an old and well-understood problem, though, so Democrats should have understood the danger of it. It seems to me that it wasn't a priority. I suspect it's because gerrymandering tends to help those who are ahead. So while Democrats were ahead, they felt that gerrymandering was not a major problem for them.
Greetings!
You know what? Put some "gender fluid" Trans freak in the bathroom with *my daughter*--and I guarantee you that my response to the Trans freak wouldn't be pretty, nice, or sweet.
I don't care how many of its "rights" I violate, either. The Trans freak is going to have a lot more to worry about than his "rights" being violated.
Oh, is that "escalating violence"? Reee all you want. I make no apologies. These goddamned freaks do not belong anywhere near our women, our daughters, or family!
I would stand rock solid behind any man that felt the same--in or out of a courtroom. I don't give a fuck. There are some things that you know what? Fuck what the cock-sucking society thinks, and fuck what some cucks in government believe. You have to make a stand for what is right, no matter what the cost. Just tell the cuck judge to bring a rope, because you are not backing down, not now, not ever. Let these cuck judges try and judge against people protecting their families. See how fast they see the fucking light when shit gets burned and blood starts flowing in the streets like crazy.
That's right. We know they would shit their fucking pants and change their viewpoints very fast. A rope would be waiting for them right outside their fucking house.
Semper Fidelis,
SHARK
I have two close friends who are trans, and one close friend whose child (near adult) is trans or at least trying to figure that question out.
None of them, and I mean none of them in any even vague possible way, would want to use a bathroom with someone else because they want to be near those other people, or leer at those other people, or even look at those other people. The issue has nothing to do with those kinds of things, for them.
All three of these people are nerdy. All three are awkward, even as adults. It's really not about sexuality for any of them. They wouldn't be in a bathroom to make anyone feel uncomfortable, or to feel anything about them. In fact, they'd all prefer to be as invisible as possible. They would just...want to go to the bathroom in peace, without anyone giving them a hassle. Without looking out of place.
I think this is one of those topics which seems one way on a theoretical basis, and seems entirely much more innocent when encountered in real life. This isn't about dirty old men trying to pose as a woman to leer at naked women in bathrooms. This is about people who, at least in my limited experience, are just awkward people who feel out of place and they want to just quietly go to the bathroom like everyone else in the place they feel they're "supposed" to be. Without making eye contact, or conversation, or being noticed really at all.
I do not think a trans person is. I think it gives a person either posing as trans, or just saying they identify as such the cover. Assaults by male predators happens now to women in public restrooms. If the same sort of dude has an easier in to the hunting ground, why would there not be an increase. I think you are putting words in my mouth, I have no worries about a trans person suddenly becoming a rapist. I have concerns a rapist will use their cover to get to where he wants to go easier. This is common sense.I have no issue with trans people. BUT there are lots of gender dysphoric kids who end up not being trans after going through puberty, so the locker room for school age kids is deal breaker for me, and i mean completely broken deal. For adults, my issue has never been trans people, its the fact it offers cover to male predators to do what male predators do. If I have to choose between some hurt feelings or extra beatings/assaults/rapes in public restrooms, well I will take 1,000,000 hurt feelings over 1 rape. Every time.Greetings!
You know what? Put some "gender fluid" Trans freak in the bathroom with *my daughter*--and I guarantee you that my response to the Trans freak wouldn't be pretty, nice, or sweet.
I don't care how many of its "rights" I violate, either. The Trans freak is going to have a lot more to worry about than his "rights" being violated.
Oh, is that "escalating violence"? Reee all you want. I make no apologies. These goddamned freaks do not belong anywhere near our women, our daughters, or family!
I would stand rock solid behind any man that felt the same--in or out of a courtroom. I don't give a fuck. There are some things that you know what? Fuck what the cock-sucking society thinks, and fuck what some cucks in government believe. You have to make a stand for what is right, no matter what the cost. Just tell the cuck judge to bring a rope, because you are not backing down, not now, not ever. Let these cuck judges try and judge against people protecting their families. See how fast they see the fucking light when shit gets burned and blood starts flowing in the streets like crazy.
That's right. We know they would shit their fucking pants and change their viewpoints very fast. A rope would be waiting for them right outside their fucking house.
Semper Fidelis,
SHARK
I have two close friends who are trans, and one close friend whose child (near adult) is trans or at least trying to figure that question out.
None of them, and I mean none of them in any even vague possible way, would want to use a bathroom with someone else because they want to be near those other people, or leer at those other people, or even look at those other people. The issue has nothing to do with those kinds of things, for them.
All three of these people are nerdy. All three are awkward, even as adults. It's really not about sexuality for any of them. They wouldn't be in a bathroom to make anyone feel uncomfortable, or to feel anything about them. In fact, they'd all prefer to be as invisible as possible. They would just...want to go to the bathroom in peace, without anyone giving them a hassle. Without looking out of place.
I think this is one of those topics which seems one way on a theoretical basis, and seems entirely much more innocent when encountered in real life. This isn't about dirty old men trying to pose as a woman to leer at naked women in bathrooms. This is about people who, at least in my limited experience, are just awkward people who feel out of place and they want to just quietly go to the bathroom like everyone else in the place they feel they're "supposed" to be. Without making eye contact, or conversation, or being noticed really at all.
But there is no evidence that it's a topic used as cover for raping/assaulting people. That seems a baseless fear. And I've never once heard someone argue it was a rational fear that a gay or lesbian person might assault a same-sex person in the bathroom, so why would you think a trans person is a higher risk for this?
As for locker rooms in schools...I honestly think that whole scene has changed regardless of this topic. The trend is for kids to not be naked around each other in schools...period. Under any circumstances.
I have no issue with trans people. BUT there are lots of gender dysphoric kids who end up not being trans after going through puberty, so the locker room for school age kids is deal breaker for me, and i mean completely broken deal. For adults, my issue has never been trans people, its the fact it offers cover to male predators to do what male predators do. If I have to choose between some hurt feelings or extra beatings/assaults/rapes in public restrooms, well I will take 1,000,000 hurt feelings over 1 rape. Every time.Greetings!
You know what? Put some "gender fluid" Trans freak in the bathroom with *my daughter*--and I guarantee you that my response to the Trans freak wouldn't be pretty, nice, or sweet.
I don't care how many of its "rights" I violate, either. The Trans freak is going to have a lot more to worry about than his "rights" being violated.
Oh, is that "escalating violence"? Reee all you want. I make no apologies. These goddamned freaks do not belong anywhere near our women, our daughters, or family!
I would stand rock solid behind any man that felt the same--in or out of a courtroom. I don't give a fuck. There are some things that you know what? Fuck what the cock-sucking society thinks, and fuck what some cucks in government believe. You have to make a stand for what is right, no matter what the cost. Just tell the cuck judge to bring a rope, because you are not backing down, not now, not ever. Let these cuck judges try and judge against people protecting their families. See how fast they see the fucking light when shit gets burned and blood starts flowing in the streets like crazy.
That's right. We know they would shit their fucking pants and change their viewpoints very fast. A rope would be waiting for them right outside their fucking house.
Semper Fidelis,
SHARK
I have two close friends who are trans, and one close friend whose child (near adult) is trans or at least trying to figure that question out.
None of them, and I mean none of them in any even vague possible way, would want to use a bathroom with someone else because they want to be near those other people, or leer at those other people, or even look at those other people. The issue has nothing to do with those kinds of things, for them.
All three of these people are nerdy. All three are awkward, even as adults. It's really not about sexuality for any of them. They wouldn't be in a bathroom to make anyone feel uncomfortable, or to feel anything about them. In fact, they'd all prefer to be as invisible as possible. They would just...want to go to the bathroom in peace, without anyone giving them a hassle. Without looking out of place.
I think this is one of those topics which seems one way on a theoretical basis, and seems entirely much more innocent when encountered in real life. This isn't about dirty old men trying to pose as a woman to leer at naked women in bathrooms. This is about people who, at least in my limited experience, are just awkward people who feel out of place and they want to just quietly go to the bathroom like everyone else in the place they feel they're "supposed" to be. Without making eye contact, or conversation, or being noticed really at all.
Interesting thought experiment from Macris
https://macris.substack.com/p/trump-at-the-rubicon
When people on this forum dare say they didn't vote for Trump, knowing they are outnumbered 10 to 1, calling them trolls makes it even harder. I've never trolled here once, but people here have accused me of it purely based on my disagreeing. And damn dude, you know how hard it is to "address criticism" when every post of yours gets a massive number of long detailed responses? No, you don't, at least not here. Because you outnumber the "opposition" ten to one. Cut people some fucking slack when you know you have them so outnumbered.
Oh please unlike other posters here your called a troll and disingenuous because you go out of your way to do both. Not because your disagree with others. In the gaming forum in the Thirty Sword Lesbian thread you knew full well how some posters felt about the rpg. Then came into the thread pretending to be both naive and clueless about it. Even when you knew full well how some of use felt about the rpg. So if your going to pretend to be naive and stupid on purpose then expect to be called both a troll and disingenuous on this board and others. Espcially if you can't be bothered to actual read the thread in question.
So stop with the martyr and victim complex because your not fooling anyone here.
No man, you're so surrounded by people who think exactly like you do on those kinds of topics you cannot even imagine that I don't assume people think like that. I was not trolling. I was giving you my honest opinion, but my opinion was so far from your bubble you cannot imagine it was honest because you don't see opinions like those in your life these days.
Then you are, at best, an inconsiderate poster who jumps into a discussion not more than a few days old and doesn't bother to find out what people already have said, and starts thrashing strawmen.
Guilty.
Welcome to Internet message boards? You think people are "considerate" here?
If I have to pick hurting a tran's feelings, which normally I don't, or allow little girls to be raped by trans posers I choose the former. Seriously this should not be a debate and shame on those that question this simple logical wisdom.I have no doubt they all are. Did they switch votes? Dont know. The bathrooms, and as I mentioned critical race theory are relevant to those machines and the vote though. That gets pushed federally, especially in schools, and bodies are going to hit the floor.
Now lets focus on the election. How many more counties have questionable Dominion software "gliches"?
You know what? Put some "gender fluid" Trans freak in the bathroom with *my daughter*--and I guarantee you that my response to the Trans freak wouldn't be pretty, nice, or sweet.
I don't care how many of its "rights" I violate, either. The Trans freak is going to have a lot more to worry about than his "rights" being violated.
Oh, is that "escalating violence"? Reee all you want. I make no apologies. These goddamned freaks do not belong anywhere near our women, our daughters, or family!
This is getting hugely off-topic, but I will do my damndest to beat the shit out of you if you lay a finger on a kid in my house - or any other kid - just for going to the goddamn bathroom. Living in the Bay Area, I know a bunch of kids who identify as non-binary or gender fluid. This includes the family who live in the other half of my duplex, whose kid I watched grow from a baby to an awesome high school senior now. I chatted with them recently about their going to Korea next semester for study abroad, which they're excited about. It baffles and enrages me that someone would come and beat them up just for going to the bathroom. The same goes for the children of all my other family, friends, and community members.
Let's have a reality check. We are talking about transvestites as no "trans" people exists outside of fantasy. Nothing in science can turn a boy into a girl and this societal delusion that dudes who get fake boobs magically turn into women is retarded.The MO now is not to dress as a female, but to slip in during an off time, usually close to closing of a store or late hours in something like a public park. Then stand on the toilet until one you "like" comes in. Then mayhem. I know this because of three different police officers on three different occasions over the course of those same 3 decades you mention giving me the story on recent crimes they personally investigated or were first on the scene. If its suddenly ok for dudes to say they are women (and lets not be foolish, there will be women, who may see a dude who gives them the creeps...but will go into that bathroom anyway just not to appear phobic) the numbers will tick up, 10 percent? 20? 1? 100? I dont know. I know its fucktarded to increase any risk at such a thing. If it becomes a thing, well the women will have to tolerate me going into the facility with my daughter., JUST like I do with my son now, because dudes are in there with him (aka predators) I will be polite and not drop a thunder deuce while waiting for the daughter though.
But hey, it's America. I don't care what adults do to themselves as long as it doesn't affect me in the slightest, but I won't bend to anyone's delusion.
As for who's shitting where and what they do in the shitter, I'm unconcerned because if a freak wants to stalk women & kids in the girl's potty, they'll do that with or without their dick chopped off. There's no pre-emptive law that can protect restrooms from sexual predators (except perhaps open carry laws). Assault laws don't prevent anything. They just punish after the fact.
I get the concern that male predators can don a dress and slip into the bathroom, but what stopped them from doing that three decades ago? And how many big box stores REALLY monitor who goes into their shitters or how long they stay there?
The only solution I see is single occupant unisex bathrooms, but that's expensive and results in less bathrooms. Either that, or make all bathrooms universal and let women smell our mega-dumps and experience our awesome pee accuracy in action!
Perfect example of disingenuous bullshit or pathological aversion to context.
Shark isn’t talking about pre-pubescents, he’s talking about potential sexual predators in a dress. The context is clear and taking it otherwise is not signaling high INT
I get the concern that male predators can don a dress and slip into the bathroom, but what stopped them from doing that three decades ago?
This is from Nov 1 2017, which is one of the first Qanon (I know, I know!) posts:
"My fellow Americans, over the course of the next several days you will undoubtedly realize that we are taking back our great country (the land of the free) from the evil tyrants that wish to do us harm and destroy the last remaining refuge of shining light. On POTUS’ order, we have initiated certain fail-safes that shall safeguard the public from the primary fallout which is slated to occur 11.3 upon the arrest announcement of Mr. Podesta (actionable 11.4). Confirmation (to the public) of what is occurring will then be revealed and will not be openly accepted. Public riots are being organized in serious numbers in an effort to prevent the arrest and capture of more senior public officials. On POTUS’ order, a state of temporary military control will be actioned and special ops carried out. False leaks have been made to retain several within the confines of the United States to prevent extradition and special operator necessity. Rest assured, the safety and well-being of every man, woman, and child of this country is being exhausted in full. However, the atmosphere within the country will unfortunately be divided as so many have fallen for the corrupt and evil narrative that has long been broadcast. We will be initiating the Emergency Broadcast System (EMS) during this time in an effort to provide a direct message (avoiding the fake news) to all citizens. Organizations and/or people that wish to do us harm during this time will be met with swift fury – certain laws have been pre-lifted to provide our great military the necessary authority to handle and conduct these operations (at home and abroad)."
https://archive.4plebs.org/pol/thread/147547939/#147567888
This is interesting, since it points to something which would be in the works currently... hm. Is it possible for something 3 years old to be executed now, though?
I find this rather like an episode of Doctor Who - the episode "Blink": https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Recap/DoctorWhoS29E10Blink
If this is a LARP - I want to join! :D I'll be the Gender-fluid trans-Panzerkampfwagen Tiger Ausf. B with a rainbow colored camouflage pattern with antifash flags all over it! lol Like, TOTALLY Psychedelic, man!
(j/k - just thought this was interesting...)
If it becomes a thing, well the women will have to tolerate me going into the facility with my daughter., JUST like I do with my son now, because dudes are in there with him (aka predators) I will be polite and not drop a thunder deuce while waiting for the daughter though.
And it was framed in such a way that it wouldnt matter how the 'woman' was dressed, if 'she' had t shirt, jeans and a 5 o'clock shadow, no challenges or questions, lest ye be judged.I get the concern that male predators can don a dress and slip into the bathroom, but what stopped them from doing that three decades ago?
Wasn't the entire point of publicly changing the law to shame people to stop them from making a scene if noticing males dressed like women entering the women's bathroom? I would think that historically had a chilling effect on males dressed like women entering the women's bathroom.
You are in Cali, correct? Is it law there for public restrooms to be trans as well? I do not live in cali, and have no desire to move to cali, and I certainly do not want cali to move to me.If it becomes a thing, well the women will have to tolerate me going into the facility with my daughter., JUST like I do with my son now, because dudes are in there with him (aka predators) I will be polite and not drop a thunder deuce while waiting for the daughter though.
I've seen plenty of dads bring their daughter into the men's room and stand guard outside the toilet. It's exactly what I would do.
Hell, if I have slightest twitch that a bathroom is sketchy, I check it before my girlfriend uses it or I just have her use the dude's room if it doesn't reek of Armageddon.
You know what? Put some "gender fluid" Trans freak in the bathroom with *my daughter*--and I guarantee you that my response to the Trans freak wouldn't be pretty, nice, or sweet.
I don't care how many of its "rights" I violate, either. The Trans freak is going to have a lot more to worry about than his "rights" being violated.
Oh, is that "escalating violence"? Reee all you want. I make no apologies. These goddamned freaks do not belong anywhere near our women, our daughters, or family!
This is getting hugely off-topic, but I will do my damndest to beat the shit out of you if you lay a finger on a kid in my house - or any other kid - just for going to the goddamn bathroom. Living in the Bay Area, I know a bunch of kids who identify as non-binary or gender fluid. This includes the family who live in the other half of my duplex, whose kid I watched grow from a baby to an awesome high school senior now. I chatted with them recently about their going to Korea next semester for study abroad, which they're excited about. It baffles and enrages me that someone would come and beat them up just for going to the bathroom. The same goes for the children of all my other family, friends, and community members.
Perfect example of disingenuous bullshit or pathological aversion to context.
Shark isn’t talking about pre-pubescents, he’s talking about potential sexual predators in a dress. The context is clear and taking it otherwise is not signaling high INT
Interesting thought experiment from Macris
https://macris.substack.com/p/trump-at-the-rubicon
But somehow, Leftists don't understand this sentiment at all.
Semper Fidelis,
SHARK
The will of the people must be enforced, and those that seek to undermine and corrupt the will of the people should be brought to justice.Does the will of all of the majority of the people have to be enforced or just the will of the side you feel is right?
Semper Fidelis,
SHARK
Interesting thought experiment from Macris
https://macris.substack.com/p/trump-at-the-rubicon
There are a couple of problems with Maxris's thought experiment.
1) Biden is not going to come after Trump when he is not President; there is no way that the Swamp is going to unleash that Kraken that will devour him as soon as he is not President.
and b) Trump is not going to cross the rubicon with his army, Trump is just neither a Caesar nor a Hitler.
I guess, it will likely end up the way ALL of history gets decided. Not by how many people felt they were right, but by the ones who won the fight.The will of the people must be enforced, and those that seek to undermine and corrupt the will of the people should be brought to justice.Does the will of all of the majority of the people have to be enforced or just the will of the side you feel is right?
Semper Fidelis,
SHARK
Apart from the election: Mistwell's comments as a TRUE CONSERVATIVE who, like Reagan, believes we all need to move on from any qualms regarding bathrooms and who enters them, reframes the real issue with the election.
It isn't about Trump. Entirely.
It's also about how for the 1st time in our lifetimes, we had a president who didn't feel like a fist-puppet for a global elite robbing us blind. Trump is an expert at the use of soft power, but since the bureaucracy is largely immune to firing the bully pulpit isn't what it used to be. Let's face it - he doesn't even control the executive branch. This fact alone is why I feel largely resigned to eventual kinetic activities - the system has been used very well to legally place the system outside of voter control. The presidency is the most powerful man in the world and the least powerful man in government simultaneously. A single district judge can veto whatever the president tries to do, nationwide, for a couple of years out of a 4-year term.
And this happened because the Republican party has become the pace-and-lead party. if you're not familiar with pacing and leading as a concept, read about it: http://www.changingminds.org/techniques/general/sequential/pace_lead.htm
The republican role in the uniparty is to pace-and-lead you into accepting globalism. Trump can win every single court case, take office in January on schedule, and if the Lincoln Party's of the world retain ideological power in the Republican party at large, it will not matter. Trump's next 4 years will come and go, and the uniparty will absorb the delay like Russia absorbs the first year of an invasion. That is how far the uniparty has placed the real levers of power from voter influence.
If Americans won't burn the republican party to the ground and make it go the way of the Whig party into historical irrelevance, while starting a new party that is opposed to everything that the Dems want and the Republicans pace and lead you towards - it isn't going to matter.
Please. Each of you. Work in your communities to elect local officials, and then state officials, that come from your own ranks instead of those vetted by the republican party. By the time we hear about them on the national stage they're already hopelessly corrupted. You don't get a ticket to ride in the national show if they aren't very sure about your dependability to them.
That's why Trump was so relentlessly character-assassinated. He didn't have a ticket to ride.
And relentlessly primary existing republicans out of office. If they're the "free market party" then that's the only rational response to their constant failure to do anything they say; the ratio of doing what they promise they'll prevent vs. doing what they promise when campaigning should be all you as an American need to see.
This is about more than stealing the vote. As weird as it is to say that stealing the vote here is not the real concern.
Greetings!But not just any Republicans. The Wayne County election board members have rescinded their votes and signed an affidavit stating they were the targets of intimidation.
Cock-sucking Democrats being charged with Federal Voter Intimidation charges for threatening Republicans in MICHIGAN! The state shall not be certified for Biden!
Semper Fidelis,
SHARK
Guilty.
Welcome to Internet message boards? You think people are "considerate" here?
Even Dan fucking Crenshaw is objecting to the troop withdrawals. Pace and lead indeed.I respect Crenshaw for his service, but he's just wrong on this. I hope his motivations stem from 'I don't want my buddies to have died for nothing', which is understandable.
Just the fact that there exists a picture of a Father and his son born after the start of Afghanistan deploying to Afghanistan together indicates that America has been there too long. Gotta protect those CIA slush funds from the opium fields.
I don't know if I'd say "the people there" as much as the society there. If you get those people out of that society, they can (and some do) adopt other views (though some of them do not, and this creates problems of its own). I do agree though that transforming that society would require actions that violate a lot of things. Without doing so, they don't appear to be developing into anything compatible with Western culture anytime soon (if at all). This creates a real problem with continued peaceful coexistence (an ideal goal) and really leaves only two options: isolation or destruction (likely through forced assimilation, as that's somewhat less objectionable than genocide). I wish that there were another way, but history hasn't shown one.Even Dan fucking Crenshaw is objecting to the troop withdrawals. Pace and lead indeed.I respect Crenshaw for his service, but he's just wrong on this. I hope his motivations stem from 'I don't want my buddies to have died for nothing', which is understandable.
Just the fact that there exists a picture of a Father and his son born after the start of Afghanistan deploying to Afghanistan together indicates that America has been there too long. Gotta protect those CIA slush funds from the opium fields.
But the fact is that we've been there for twenty fucking years. I grok the drive to 'build democracy' and what not. But the even uglier fact is that unless you are willing to go full ham (as we did in Japan), you're not going to build a democracy (or anything vaguely resembling it) in that part of the world. The people there have not socially evolved much beyond the tribal mentality and it shows.
And before someone cries 'dat's rayciss!' -- how? How is it racist to say 'their culture simply isn't ready'? I don't hate these people, except for the real loons who think blowing themselves up (along with innocent bystanders) is a great idea. But unless we bring the hammer down Roman Empire style on them -- to an extent that I think it would violate our OWN laws on war, let alone the U.N. -- we cannot 'fix' them. They have to find out the lessons themselves -- or continue as they are.
The will of the people must be enforced, and those that seek to undermine and corrupt the will of the people should be brought to justice.Does the will of all of the majority of the people have to be enforced or just the will of the side you feel is right?
You know what? Put some "gender fluid" Trans freak in the bathroom with *my daughter*--and I guarantee you that my response to the Trans freak wouldn't be pretty, nice, or sweet.
I don't care how many of its "rights" I violate, either. The Trans freak is going to have a lot more to worry about than his "rights" being violated.
Oh, is that "escalating violence"? Reee all you want. I make no apologies. These goddamned freaks do not belong anywhere near our women, our daughters, or family!
This is getting hugely off-topic, but I will do my damndest to beat the shit out of you if you lay a finger on a kid in my house - or any other kid - just for going to the goddamn bathroom. Living in the Bay Area, I know a bunch of kids who identify as non-binary or gender fluid. This includes the family who live in the other half of my duplex, whose kid I watched grow from a baby to an awesome high school senior now. I chatted with them recently about their going to Korea next semester for study abroad, which they're excited about. It baffles and enrages me that someone would come and beat them up just for going to the bathroom. The same goes for the children of all my other family, friends, and community members.
Perfect example of disingenuous bullshit or pathological aversion to context.
Shark isn’t talking about pre-pubescents, he’s talking about potential sexual predators in a dress. The context is clear and taking it otherwise is not signaling high INT
I get the concern that male predators can don a dress and slip into the bathroom, but what stopped them from doing that three decades ago?
Wasn't the entire point of publicly changing the law to shame people to stop them from making a scene if noticing males dressed like women entering the women's bathroom? I would think that historically had a chilling effect on males dressed like women entering the women's bathroom.
Apparently around here it doesn't extend to the majority that voted for Joe Biden.
Greetings!
You know what? Put some "gender fluid" Trans freak in the bathroom with *my daughter*--and I guarantee you that my response to the Trans freak wouldn't be pretty, nice, or sweet.
I don't care how many of its "rights" I violate, either. The Trans freak is going to have a lot more to worry about than his "rights" being violated.
Oh, is that "escalating violence"? Reee all you want. I make no apologies. These goddamned freaks do not belong anywhere near our women, our daughters, or family!
I would stand rock solid behind any man that felt the same--in or out of a courtroom. I don't give a fuck. There are some things that you know what? Fuck what the cock-sucking society thinks, and fuck what some cucks in government believe. You have to make a stand for what is right, no matter what the cost. Just tell the cuck judge to bring a rope, because you are not backing down, not now, not ever. Let these cuck judges try and judge against people protecting their families. See how fast they see the fucking light when shit gets burned and blood starts flowing in the streets like crazy.
That's right. We know they would shit their fucking pants and change their viewpoints very fast. A rope would be waiting for them right outside their fucking house.
Semper Fidelis,
SHARK
I have two close friends who are trans, and one close friend whose child (near adult) is trans or at least trying to figure that question out.
None of them, and I mean none of them in any even vague possible way, would want to use a bathroom with someone else because they want to be near those other people, or leer at those other people, or even look at those other people. The issue has nothing to do with those kinds of things, for them.
All three of these people are nerdy. All three are awkward, even as adults. It's really not about sexuality for any of them. They wouldn't be in a bathroom to make anyone feel uncomfortable, or to feel anything about them. In fact, they'd all prefer to be as invisible as possible. They would just...want to go to the bathroom in peace, without anyone giving them a hassle. Without looking out of place.
I think this is one of those topics which seems one way on a theoretical basis, and seems entirely much more innocent when encountered in real life. This isn't about dirty old men trying to pose as a woman to leer at naked women in bathrooms. This is about people who, at least in my limited experience, are just awkward people who feel out of place and they want to just quietly go to the bathroom like everyone else in the place they feel they're "supposed" to be. Without making eye contact, or conversation, or being noticed really at all.
Greetings!
Ok, Mistwell. Such examples as you cite seem innocent enough, but I am reminded of how I have heard about trans freaks going into women's bathrooms and fucking little girls.
Are you surprised that such examples make me think of being entirely harsh and ruthless?
Why do you think so many people get crazy about trans men wearing dresses going into women's bathrooms?
Seems like quite a normal reaction to me. Matter of fact, I know many people that are dead set against letting trans men into women's bathrooms. It's not even a subject open for discussion with them.
I think this is just yet another example of the larger cultural divide between Conservatives and Liberals. The enormous divide in how people view reality, the gender norms they embrace, and the social rules they are comfortable with and expect to be maintained. You, and Jhkim are just fine with trans men going into women's bathrooms. Well, there are lots of normal men and normal women that are not just fine with that.
Just one more difference between Liberal progressive states and Conservative states!
Semper Fidelis,
SHARK
This is getting hugely off-topic, but I will do my damndest to beat the shit out of you if you lay a finger on a kid in my house - or any other kid - just for going to the goddamn bathroom. Living in the Bay Area, I know a bunch of kids who identify as non-binary or gender fluid. This includes the family who live in the other half of my duplex, whose kid I watched grow from a baby to an awesome high school senior now. I chatted with them recently about their going to Korea next semester for study abroad, which they're excited about. It baffles and enrages me that someone would come and beat them up just for going to the bathroom. The same goes for the children of all my other family, friends, and community members.
Perfect example of disingenuous bullshit or pathological aversion to context.
Shark isn’t talking about pre-pubescents, he’s talking about potential sexual predators in a dress. The context is clear and taking it otherwise is not signaling high INT
EOTB, your post is disingenuous bullshit. What SHARK said was "gender fluid trans freak". Your claim is "Of course by 'gender fluid trans freak' what he means is 'rapist'". That's not a fucking equivalence. I don't accept that it's acceptable to equate "trans person" to "sexual predator" as if they're somehow the same thing, because they're not.
Every week I read about trans people being beaten, raped, and killed.
https://www.hrc.org/press-releases/marking-the-deadliest-year-on-record-hrc-releases-report-on-violence-against-transgender-and-gender-non-conforming-people
I have yet to read about *any* case of someone posing as trans to assult a cis girl or woman in a bathroom. SHARK - if you want to clarify who you would beat up for going to the bathroom, you can go ahead and clarify.I get the concern that male predators can don a dress and slip into the bathroom, but what stopped them from doing that three decades ago?
Wasn't the entire point of publicly changing the law to shame people to stop them from making a scene if noticing males dressed like women entering the women's bathroom? I would think that historically had a chilling effect on males dressed like women entering the women's bathroom.
There's no such law, though. For the most part, there have not been laws for who uses what restroom - it's just culture. Conservative advocates in several states have now pushed to add new "bathroom laws" to enforce bathroom use. Despite lack of such laws, there has never been any pattern of a man putting on a dress in order to get into a women's bathroom and rape someone there. I've never read of a single documented case.
I have read about dozens of assaults of men going out to beat up - and possibly rape and kill - trans people.
Every trans person I know worries that someone will come and beat them up just for what they wear, or for what bathroom they use. And this is in California!
The most important thing to realize is they've created an office of the presidency that can do anything they want him to do, completely outside of the checks and balances we think are there (but aren't); but simultaneously one that can do nearly nothing that you elect him to do.
Heads I win, tails you lose.
Outside of the 2017 tax reform, everything Trump did can be undone in weeks after he leaves.
Apparently around here it doesn't extend to the majority that voted for Joe Biden.
Well, most of them died during the Bush and Clinton administrations
And then when you meet an actual gamer you find the gamer is nothing like that mythology that was built up.
I find this to be a very similar topic.
judicial appointments - another thing that can't be undone in weeks
I have yet to read about *any* case of someone posing as trans to assult a cis girl or woman in a bathroom. SHARK - if you want to clarify who you would beat up for going to the bathroom, you can go ahead and clarify.
Dan fucking Crenshaw
Hmm... You sure know alot about NAZIS. Are they part of your interests? Conflict Simulations? Just wondering...In any event, it's hard to take seriously an article that refers to the late Hugo Chavez as a "dictator" when he was legitimately elected and made it a point not to crush his enemies -even after they tried at least one putsch against him.That's not a very good argument. Hitler, of all people, rose to power in a legitimate election. Plenty of dictators use democratic means to acquire power; the defining characteristic is how they change rules or use extralegal means to ensure they stay in power. And Chavez not only changed the Constitution and packed the courts to maintain his hold, he even started his career as part of a failed military coup. Venezuela never became fully authoritarian under his rule, but it was on the border.
That's a slippery way of wording it. Hitler was trounced in the 1932 presidential election by Hindenburg, but got the chancellorship in a corrupt bargain when the German establishment (landowners, bankers, industrialists, etc) decided to back him and put him over. So no, Hitler was never elected. He got the job in a backroom deal.
This is getting hugely off-topic, but I will do my damndest to beat the shit out of you if you lay a finger on a kid in my house - or any other kid - just for going to the goddamn bathroom. Living in the Bay Area, I know a bunch of kids who identify as non-binary or gender fluid. This includes the family who live in the other half of my duplex, whose kid I watched grow from a baby to an awesome high school senior now. I chatted with them recently about their going to Korea next semester for study abroad, which they're excited about. It baffles and enrages me that someone would come and beat them up just for going to the bathroom. The same goes for the children of all my other family, friends, and community members.
Perfect example of disingenuous bullshit or pathological aversion to context.
Shark isn’t talking about pre-pubescents, he’s talking about potential sexual predators in a dress. The context is clear and taking it otherwise is not signaling high INT
EOTB, your post is disingenuous bullshit. What SHARK said was "gender fluid trans freak". Your claim is "Of course by 'gender fluid trans freak' what he means is 'rapist'". That's not a fucking equivalence. I don't accept that it's acceptable to equate "trans person" to "sexual predator" as if they're somehow the same thing, because they're not.
Every week I read about trans people being beaten, raped, and killed.
https://www.hrc.org/press-releases/marking-the-deadliest-year-on-record-hrc-releases-report-on-violence-against-transgender-and-gender-non-conforming-people
I have yet to read about *any* case of someone posing as trans to assult a cis girl or woman in a bathroom. SHARK - if you want to clarify who you would beat up for going to the bathroom, you can go ahead and clarify.I get the concern that male predators can don a dress and slip into the bathroom, but what stopped them from doing that three decades ago?
Wasn't the entire point of publicly changing the law to shame people to stop them from making a scene if noticing males dressed like women entering the women's bathroom? I would think that historically had a chilling effect on males dressed like women entering the women's bathroom.
There's no such law, though. For the most part, there have not been laws for who uses what restroom - it's just culture. Conservative advocates in several states have now pushed to add new "bathroom laws" to enforce bathroom use. Despite lack of such laws, there has never been any pattern of a man putting on a dress in order to get into a women's bathroom and rape someone there. I've never read of a single documented case.
I have read about dozens of assaults of men going out to beat up - and possibly rape and kill - trans people.
Every trans person I know worries that someone will come and beat them up just for what they wear, or for what bathroom they use. And this is in California!
You're the one jumping to rape. https://www.spokesman.com/blogs/hbo/2016/jul/13/transgender-woman-arrested/
You used shark's post to launch into a diatribe about shark beating up kids and how you would step up to prevent this horrible thing no one remotely said. Yes, that was so clearly and obviously a disingenuous reading of shark's post the jury is not confused. The effect of your passionate defense of children not mentioned in shark's post is to muddy perception that shark's post was about beating up children. Go fuck yourself.
Yes, they did change the law. The white house issued a directive with the administrative effect of law stating that this was a title IX issue - one not previously considered to exist. That is changing the law, because suddenly schools could lose title IX-dependent funding if they maintained the traditional bathroom rules, which wasn't true the day before that directive was issued. Your reading apparently doesn't extend to the finer points of the controversy.
Maybe someday they will do a study on your inability to read context causing your inaccurate conclusions, and the information will be packaged in a form you're disposed to accept.
BTW - if you want to use my pointing out your posting style to launch into trans, society at large, and the law - go ahead. But I won't be responding to this any further.
And then when you meet an actual gamer you find the gamer is nothing like that mythology that was built up.
I find this to be a very similar topic.
"I'm here pacing...I'm here leading...we're the same...we face the same basic struggle...and if I can change...and if you can change...we all can change!"
Greetings!
You know what? Put some "gender fluid" Trans freak in the bathroom with *my daughter*--and I guarantee you that my response to the Trans freak wouldn't be pretty, nice, or sweet.
I don't care how many of its "rights" I violate, either. The Trans freak is going to have a lot more to worry about than his "rights" being violated.
Oh, is that "escalating violence"? Reee all you want. I make no apologies. These goddamned freaks do not belong anywhere near our women, our daughters, or family!
I would stand rock solid behind any man that felt the same--in or out of a courtroom. I don't give a fuck. There are some things that you know what? Fuck what the cock-sucking society thinks, and fuck what some cucks in government believe. You have to make a stand for what is right, no matter what the cost. Just tell the cuck judge to bring a rope, because you are not backing down, not now, not ever. Let these cuck judges try and judge against people protecting their families. See how fast they see the fucking light when shit gets burned and blood starts flowing in the streets like crazy.
That's right. We know they would shit their fucking pants and change their viewpoints very fast. A rope would be waiting for them right outside their fucking house.
Semper Fidelis,
SHARK
I have two close friends who are trans, and one close friend whose child (near adult) is trans or at least trying to figure that question out.
None of them, and I mean none of them in any even vague possible way, would want to use a bathroom with someone else because they want to be near those other people, or leer at those other people, or even look at those other people. The issue has nothing to do with those kinds of things, for them.
All three of these people are nerdy. All three are awkward, even as adults. It's really not about sexuality for any of them. They wouldn't be in a bathroom to make anyone feel uncomfortable, or to feel anything about them. In fact, they'd all prefer to be as invisible as possible. They would just...want to go to the bathroom in peace, without anyone giving them a hassle. Without looking out of place.
I think this is one of those topics which seems one way on a theoretical basis, and seems entirely much more innocent when encountered in real life. This isn't about dirty old men trying to pose as a woman to leer at naked women in bathrooms. This is about people who, at least in my limited experience, are just awkward people who feel out of place and they want to just quietly go to the bathroom like everyone else in the place they feel they're "supposed" to be. Without making eye contact, or conversation, or being noticed really at all.
Greetings!
Ok, Mistwell. Such examples as you cite seem innocent enough, but I am reminded of how I have heard about trans freaks going into women's bathrooms and fucking little girls.
Are you surprised that such examples make me think of being entirely harsh and ruthless?
Why do you think so many people get crazy about trans men wearing dresses going into women's bathrooms?
Seems like quite a normal reaction to me. Matter of fact, I know many people that are dead set against letting trans men into women's bathrooms. It's not even a subject open for discussion with them.
I think this is just yet another example of the larger cultural divide between Conservatives and Liberals. The enormous divide in how people view reality, the gender norms they embrace, and the social rules they are comfortable with and expect to be maintained. You, and Jhkim are just fine with trans men going into women's bathrooms. Well, there are lots of normal men and normal women that are not just fine with that.
Just one more difference between Liberal progressive states and Conservative states!
Semper Fidelis,
SHARK
I felt uncomfortable with the idea until I met trans people and found them to be nothing like the sterotype in my head. That's what changed my mind. Not politics. Not a state. Not a culture. Just meeting people and seeing for myself nothing was scary there.
I am not a progressive. In no way shape or form am I am progressive. Most people who know me consider me a Republican. Most of my votes over the course of my life have gone to Republicans, though there are a meaningful number of Democrats in there as well (an a few third parties).
This isn't a matter of ideology for me. It's just me knowing people and finding them to be nothing like I imagined.
Which, let's face it, used to be how many people thought of RPG players. During the Satanic Panic, people would have looked you straight in the eye and told you they had read legit news reports about how D&D players were satanists who murdered people and engaged in vile rituals. They genuinely believed this, and felt they had read actual news accounts of it happening, and lost their shit if they heard a kid was playing it.
And then when you meet an actual gamer you find the gamer is nothing like that mythology that was built up.
I find this to be a very similar topic.
You used shark's post to launch into a diatribe about shark beating up kids and how you would step up to prevent this horrible thing no one remotely said. Yes, that was so clearly and obviously a disingenuous reading of shark's post the jury is not confused. The effect of your passionate defense of children not mentioned in shark's post is to muddy perception that shark's post was about beating up children. Go fuck yourself.
You're the one jumping to rape. https://www.spokesman.com/blogs/hbo/2016/jul/13/transgender-woman-arrested/
You set the requirement of one example to refute your statement, not I. Perhaps they haven’t done a study. Or perhaps a study missed the examples provided in the thread. I’m sure if these examples had been in a study you would be familiar - but I’m not responsible for constructing your arguments.
My replies to you were never about trans people, jhkim. They were statements on rhetorical tactics you choose to employ and continue to demonstrate when the subject (any subject) is one you are emotionally invested in to the point that there is only one acceptable opinion, in your opinion. Then the typical nasty tactics of the left come out to play; the same BS used by TBP mods confronted by opinions they want marginalized: falsely paraphrase, moral high ground, isolate.
You set the requirement of one example to refute your statement, not I. Perhaps they haven’t done a study. Or perhaps a study missed the examples provided in the thread. I’m sure if these examples had been in a study you would be familiar - but I’m not responsible for constructing your arguments.
EOTB -- What I said was "I have yet to read about *any* case of someone posing as trans to assult a cis girl or woman in a bathroom." And I still haven't, given that your example wasn't in a bathroom and didn't involve assault.
What I *have* read about is dozens of cases of trans people being assaulted.My replies to you were never about trans people, jhkim. They were statements on rhetorical tactics you choose to employ and continue to demonstrate when the subject (any subject) is one you are emotionally invested in to the point that there is only one acceptable opinion, in your opinion. Then the typical nasty tactics of the left come out to play; the same BS used by TBP mods confronted by opinions they want marginalized: falsely paraphrase, moral high ground, isolate.
Yes, I'm usually pretty calm in discussion - but I'm not a fucking robot. Yes, SHARK's statement got me damn angry, and I'm expressing that anger. He flat out said that he would assault trans people just for going to a women's restroom. I'm not falsely paraphrasing him there - that's literally what he said. These are people I love and care about.
I'm not a mod here. I'm not hiding behind any red text, and I'm trying to respond to what you and SHARK, and anyone else has to say. I'm not disappearing or silencing him.
SHARK can be a cool and reasonable guy sometimes, but in this case, he's majorly wrong.
You're transphobic, we can all get that. You have strong feelings about the issue, and while they aren't very empathetic, there's nothing wrong with having feelings. However, when you allow those feelings to push you towards taking violent actions (or, as is most common on message boards, talking shit about taking violent actions) towards other people, then your feelings stop mattering because they don't justify violence, and that's when you become the bad guy.You set the requirement of one example to refute your statement, not I. Perhaps they haven’t done a study. Or perhaps a study missed the examples provided in the thread. I’m sure if these examples had been in a study you would be familiar - but I’m not responsible for constructing your arguments.
EOTB -- What I said was "I have yet to read about *any* case of someone posing as trans to assult a cis girl or woman in a bathroom." And I still haven't, given that your example wasn't in a bathroom and didn't involve assault.
What I *have* read about is dozens of cases of trans people being assaulted.My replies to you were never about trans people, jhkim. They were statements on rhetorical tactics you choose to employ and continue to demonstrate when the subject (any subject) is one you are emotionally invested in to the point that there is only one acceptable opinion, in your opinion. Then the typical nasty tactics of the left come out to play; the same BS used by TBP mods confronted by opinions they want marginalized: falsely paraphrase, moral high ground, isolate.
Yes, I'm usually pretty calm in discussion - but I'm not a fucking robot. Yes, SHARK's statement got me damn angry, and I'm expressing that anger. He flat out said that he would assault trans people just for going to a women's restroom. I'm not falsely paraphrasing him there - that's literally what he said. These are people I love and care about.
I'm not a mod here. I'm not hiding behind any red text, and I'm trying to respond to what you and SHARK, and anyone else has to say. I'm not disappearing or silencing him.
SHARK can be a cool and reasonable guy sometimes, but in this case, he's majorly wrong.
Greetings!
In this case, I'm majorly wrong?
No, Jhkim, I'm not wrong, majorly or otherwise.
I do not feel that it is right for a fucking man dressed up as a woman to be going into a woman's bathroom. Fucking gender-fluid trans freaks. Fuck no. And yeah, most normal people have a problem with it, as well, so it isn't like I just came up with the idea all by myself.
YOU might fucking love it and be fine with it--good for you. Merely because YOU are fine with it and approve of it, doesn't make ME WRONG.
Got it now?
In many places, even a man going into a woman's bathroom is going to potentially be problematic. Whenever on the occasion I have had to go into a woman's bathroom--I have *always* enlisted my wife/girlfriend/some other woman--to guard the doorway and vouch for me--because I have not wanted to cause any offense or alarm to anyone. And yeah, Jhkim, people get concerned when men go into a woman's bathroom, most especially when young girls are present. Doing so without precautions puts yourself at risk for a ass whoopin' real fast.
Semper Fidelis,
SHARK
Reee! Reee! Reee!Your fears really have been pushing you to make that sound a lot lately. Perhaps you should seek professional help.
You have strong feelings about the issue, and while they aren't very empathetic, there's nothing wrong with having feelings.My son says, "If you have some feelings, you should write them in your diary." He's nine.
I have never seen a man dressed as a woman entering a woman's public toilet. Which means either that they're so far along in their transition that they're very definitely no longer a prospect as a male predator (suppressed testosterone doesn't make for a high level of aggression), or that there just aren't that many transwomen out there.
You're transphobic, we can all get that.
In some models, disgust stems from fear. In many others, there is a relationship. But, beyond either of those, the common use definition of transphobic applies here.You're transphobic, we can all get that.
No. I think the armchair psychoanalysis of "phobia" has been one of the dumbest things to come down the pike.
I think Shark's reactions are more in line with disgust than fear. (To paraphrase Johnathan Haidt)
Fucking gender-fluid trans freaks.
In a women's bathroom, with a candlestick...
Fucking gender-fluid trans freaks.
Looks like someone jumped the shark.
In some models, disgust stems from fear. In many others, there is a relationship. But, beyond either of those, the common use definition of transphobic applies here.You're transphobic, we can all get that.
No. I think the armchair psychoanalysis of "phobia" has been one of the dumbest things to come down the pike.
I think Shark's reactions are more in line with disgust than fear. (To paraphrase Johnathan Haidt)
I do not feel that it is right for a fucking man dressed up as a woman to be going into a woman's bathroom. Fucking gender-fluid trans freaks. Fuck no. And yeah, most normal people have a problem with it, as well, so it isn't like I just came up with the idea all by myself.
YOU might fucking love it and be fine with it--good for you. Merely because YOU are fine with it and approve of it, doesn't make ME WRONG.
Oh snap. Didn't see that EOTB. Even Tulsi Gabbard. It's all just buckets of shit all the way down isn't it?
Greetings!
You know what? Put some "gender fluid" Trans freak in the bathroom with *my daughter*--and I guarantee you that my response to the Trans freak wouldn't be pretty, nice, or sweet.
I don't care how many of its "rights" I violate, either. The Trans freak is going to have a lot more to worry about than his "rights" being violated.
Oh, is that "escalating violence"? Reee all you want. I make no apologies. These goddamned freaks do not belong anywhere near our women, our daughters, or family!
I would stand rock solid behind any man that felt the same--in or out of a courtroom. I don't give a fuck. There are some things that you know what? Fuck what the cock-sucking society thinks, and fuck what some cucks in government believe. You have to make a stand for what is right, no matter what the cost. Just tell the cuck judge to bring a rope, because you are not backing down, not now, not ever. Let these cuck judges try and judge against people protecting their families. See how fast they see the fucking light when shit gets burned and blood starts flowing in the streets like crazy.
That's right. We know they would shit their fucking pants and change their viewpoints very fast. A rope would be waiting for them right outside their fucking house.
Semper Fidelis,
SHARK
I have two close friends who are trans, and one close friend whose child (near adult) is trans or at least trying to figure that question out.
None of them, and I mean none of them in any even vague possible way, would want to use a bathroom with someone else because they want to be near those other people, or leer at those other people, or even look at those other people. The issue has nothing to do with those kinds of things, for them.
All three of these people are nerdy. All three are awkward, even as adults. It's really not about sexuality for any of them. They wouldn't be in a bathroom to make anyone feel uncomfortable, or to feel anything about them. In fact, they'd all prefer to be as invisible as possible. They would just...want to go to the bathroom in peace, without anyone giving them a hassle. Without looking out of place.
I think this is one of those topics which seems one way on a theoretical basis, and seems entirely much more innocent when encountered in real life. This isn't about dirty old men trying to pose as a woman to leer at naked women in bathrooms. This is about people who, at least in my limited experience, are just awkward people who feel out of place and they want to just quietly go to the bathroom like everyone else in the place they feel they're "supposed" to be. Without making eye contact, or conversation, or being noticed really at all.
Greetings!
Ok, Mistwell. Such examples as you cite seem innocent enough, but I am reminded of how I have heard about trans freaks going into women's bathrooms and fucking little girls.
Are you surprised that such examples make me think of being entirely harsh and ruthless?
Why do you think so many people get crazy about trans men wearing dresses going into women's bathrooms?
Seems like quite a normal reaction to me. Matter of fact, I know many people that are dead set against letting trans men into women's bathrooms. It's not even a subject open for discussion with them.
I think this is just yet another example of the larger cultural divide between Conservatives and Liberals. The enormous divide in how people view reality, the gender norms they embrace, and the social rules they are comfortable with and expect to be maintained. You, and Jhkim are just fine with trans men going into women's bathrooms. Well, there are lots of normal men and normal women that are not just fine with that.
Just one more difference between Liberal progressive states and Conservative states!
Semper Fidelis,
SHARK
I felt uncomfortable with the idea until I met trans people and found them to be nothing like the sterotype in my head. That's what changed my mind. Not politics. Not a state. Not a culture. Just meeting people and seeing for myself nothing was scary there.
I am not a progressive. In no way shape or form am I am progressive. Most people who know me consider me a Republican. Most of my votes over the course of my life have gone to Republicans, though there are a meaningful number of Democrats in there as well (an a few third parties).
This isn't a matter of ideology for me. It's just me knowing people and finding them to be nothing like I imagined.
Which, let's face it, used to be how many people thought of RPG players. During the Satanic Panic, people would have looked you straight in the eye and told you they had read legit news reports about how D&D players were satanists who murdered people and engaged in vile rituals. They genuinely believed this, and felt they had read actual news accounts of it happening, and lost their shit if they heard a kid was playing it.
And then when you meet an actual gamer you find the gamer is nothing like that mythology that was built up.
I find this to be a very similar topic.
Greetings!
Mistwell, I have to confess to you. I have met and had conversations with Transvestite men. Yes, they were polite and friendly.
I also still believe that they were definitely on the nutty side. I wouldn't say that they are rational, clear thinking people, nor are they emotionally stable. From what I saw--over a time of socializing with them to some extent--their lives are a fucking mess and a train-wreck. Their family-life, their jobs, the multiple lovers, the drugs, on and fucking on. I think these "gender fluid" trans freaks are delusional.
I still do not believe that Trans men should be allowed to go into women's bathrooms. I don't think it is a good idea at all.
Semper Fidelis,
SHARK
Greetings!
A message from renowned actor, John Voight.
Semper Fidelis,
SHARK
Fucking gender-fluid trans freaks.
Looks like someone jumped the shark.
I don't think anything good comes from this though. At the very least I'm pretty sure Trump lost the popular vote, and I think there is good reason to think that many Americans don't particularly like Trump's brash style as a president even if they don't like the far left either. If the Republicans lost the electorate college as well, well then they lost. I don't think his taxes being made public helped either. The effect of John Voight speaking of the devil and such would be somewhat similar to broadcasting AOC howling about socialism and toxic masculinity and hope that it will somehow help mend the wounds.Actually, if the vote-weighting algorithm numbers cited by Sidney and attested to in sworn witness and whistleblower affidavits (i.e. evidence as the courts define evidence) are correct (i.e. that the machines counted each Biden vote as 1.25 votes), then Biden's actual vote total is somewhere in the neighborhood of 62 million or a bit less than Hillary's 2016 total.
popular vote means jack shit, always has. I think taxes did not change anyone's mind, but I don't know. I think there is any mending here. Period. Best thing for the parties involved is start working on a peaceful separation. Biden, or his soon to be seated replacement is going to push hard on gun control, and that is going to be a match on gasoline. If it turns out there was massive fraud and Trump stays, there will be chaos. So either way, we are getting chaos. Its a pick your flavor at the moment. I think separation needs discussing either way.Greetings!
A message from renowned actor, John Voight.
Semper Fidelis,
SHARK
I don't think anything good comes from this though. At the very least I'm pretty sure Trump lost the popular vote, and I think there is good reason to think that many Americans don't particularly like Trump's brash style as a president even if they don't like the far left either. If the Republicans lost the electorate college as well, well then they lost. I don't think his taxes being made public helped either. The effect of John Voight speaking of the devil and such would be somewhat similar to broadcasting AOC howling about socialism and toxic masculinity and hope that it will somehow help mend the wounds.
I don't think anything good comes from this though. At the very least I'm pretty sure Trump lost the popular vote, and I think there is good reason to think that many Americans don't particularly like Trump's brash style as a president even if they don't like the far left either. If the Republicans lost the electorate college as well, well then they lost. I don't think his taxes being made public helped either. The effect of John Voight speaking of the devil and such would be somewhat similar to broadcasting AOC howling about socialism and toxic masculinity and hope that it will somehow help mend the wounds.Actually, if the vote-weighting algorithm numbers cited by Sidney and attested to in sworn witness and whistleblower affidavits (i.e. evidence as the courts define evidence) are correct (i.e. that the machines counted each Biden vote as 1.25 votes), then Biden's actual vote total is somewhere in the neighborhood of 62 million or a bit less than Hillary's 2016 total.
THAT number actually makes sense to me as he campaigned less than Hillary and there was zero enthusiasm for the man and 62 million seems about right for a "vote Dem out of habit" level of enthusiasm candidate.
And frankly, the idea that Joe Biden would receive 120% of the votes Obama received in 2008 (and more than anyone in history save for Donald Trump) is ludicrous. Rather, all of the evidence adds up to MASSIVE fraud that was so sloppy (ex. multiple counties where three times the number of people voted as were actually registered... sudden batches of hundreds of thousands of ballots for Biden and Biden alone with nothing down ballot and none corresponding for President Trump... some vote totals in Virginia including fractional values because they forgot to round off... not having time to fill in the down ballot votes resulting in Republicans actually making massive gains in down ballot races... etc.) because the machine algorithms couldn't overcome President Trump's legitimate vote count.
As to "many don't like Trump"... yeah, probably 62+ million of them. But that doesn't negate that enough people came out every day to President Trump's rallies; a process that generally took the better part of an entire day due to crowd size and security; in 10-50+ thousands each in 3-5 locations each day all to chant "We Love You!" towards President Trump.
Similarly... if the Dems really had the popular vote, if there really was no fraud... they wouldn't need to flag and censor anyone even suggesting their might be problems. If their win was legit they'd have no problems proving what the real numbers were. Instead they gaslight, bully and try to do everything possible to keep the actual numbers from being looked at and demand their accounting just be taken on faith.
At this point, based on polling, more than HALF the country believes the election was stolen by the Democrats and every instance where they fight to prevent a real investigation just makes them look more and more guilty to more and more people.
Bush v. Gore wasn't decided until December 12th (three weeks from now) and this situation is VERY fluid. I wouldn't count any chickens one way or the other just yet.
The enthusiasm for Biden is lukewarm and tepid. Even Democrats have expressed an ambivalence about voting for Biden.
There's just no way that Biden won this election.
Semper Fidelis,
SHARK
Greetings!
Excellent points, Chris! I agree. So much suspicious activity going on, and as you mentioned, the whole enthusiasm level that is different for Trump compared to Biden. The idea that Biden got more votes than Obama? Yeah, I'm not buying it either. Every election I have lived through, campaign enthusiasm has always been a crucial element to any competitive campaign, and essential to any electoral victory, especially in concerns to a national election.
The enthusiasm for President Trump is sky fucking high.
The enthusiasm for Biden is lukewarm and tepid. Even Democrats have expressed an ambivalence about voting for Biden.
There's just no way that Biden won this election.
Semper Fidelis,
SHARK
(https://i.imgur.com/Jiqwb82.jpg)At the risk of looking a bit dense, what's this in reference to?
These assignments are favorable for Trump. Michigan, Wisconsin, Penn, and Georgia are assigned to Kavanaugh, Barrett, Alito, and Thomas.
Oh I think Biden could have won, I knew he could and likely would win as soon as mail in ballots were used en masse.
Greetings!
Excellent points, Chris! I agree. So much suspicious activity going on, and as you mentioned, the whole enthusiasm level that is different for Trump compared to Biden. The idea that Biden got more votes than Obama? Yeah, I'm not buying it either. Every election I have lived through, campaign enthusiasm has always been a crucial element to any competitive campaign, and essential to any electoral victory, especially in concerns to a national election.
The enthusiasm for President Trump is sky fucking high.
The enthusiasm for Biden is lukewarm and tepid. Even Democrats have expressed an ambivalence about voting for Biden.
There's just no way that Biden won this election.
Semper Fidelis,
SHARK
Well, the only thing that can reveal this is an investigation, so we will see. Sorry to say, but I definitely think it is possible they really won, despite sleepy Joe, for this reason: the media were MASSIVELY on the Democratic side. Among my leftist friends I saw a flurry of memes like "vote as if your life depends on it, because it does". And I think they did. On top of that, Trump does have that tendency rub people the wrong way. All I am saying is that, sure, recount and investigate and do all that. But I don't think that it's impossible that the Dems won.
I don't think anything good comes from this though. At the very least I'm pretty sure Trump lost the popular vote, and I think there is good reason to think that many Americans don't particularly like Trump's brash style as a president even if they don't like the far left either. If the Republicans lost the electorate college as well, well then they lost. I don't think his taxes being made public helped either. The effect of John Voight speaking of the devil and such would be somewhat similar to broadcasting AOC howling about socialism and toxic masculinity and hope that it will somehow help mend the wounds.Actually, if the vote-weighting algorithm numbers cited by Sidney and attested to in sworn witness and whistleblower affidavits (i.e. evidence as the courts define evidence) are correct (i.e. that the machines counted each Biden vote as 1.25 votes), then Biden's actual vote total is somewhere in the neighborhood of 62 million or a bit less than Hillary's 2016 total.
THAT number actually makes sense to me as he campaigned less than Hillary and there was zero enthusiasm for the man and 62 million seems about right for a "vote Dem out of habit" level of enthusiasm candidate.
And frankly, the idea that Joe Biden would receive 120% of the votes Obama received in 2008 (and more than anyone in history save for Donald Trump) is ludicrous. Rather, all of the evidence adds up to MASSIVE fraud that was so sloppy (ex. multiple counties where three times the number of people voted as were actually registered... sudden batches of hundreds of thousands of ballots for Biden and Biden alone with nothing down ballot and none corresponding for President Trump... some vote totals in Virginia including fractional values because they forgot to round off... not having time to fill in the down ballot votes resulting in Republicans actually making massive gains in down ballot races... etc.) because the machine algorithms couldn't overcome President Trump's legitimate vote count.
As to "many don't like Trump"... yeah, probably 62+ million of them. But that doesn't negate that enough people came out every day to President Trump's rallies; a process that generally took the better part of an entire day due to crowd size and security; in 10-50+ thousands each in 3-5 locations each day all to chant "We Love You!" towards President Trump.
Similarly... if the Dems really had the popular vote, if there really was no fraud... they wouldn't need to flag and censor anyone even suggesting their might be problems. If their win was legit they'd have no problems proving what the real numbers were. Instead they gaslight, bully and try to do everything possible to keep the actual numbers from being looked at and demand their accounting just be taken on faith.
At this point, based on polling, more than HALF the country believes the election was stolen by the Democrats and every instance where they fight to prevent a real investigation just makes them look more and more guilty to more and more people.
Bush v. Gore wasn't decided until December 12th (three weeks from now) and this situation is VERY fluid. I wouldn't count any chickens one way or the other just yet.
The evidence will be brought into court. We cannot know about it till court date unless we want the evidence to be tampered with.I'll bet you ten-internets the courts fail this country.
The roaches are starting to look for cover...So if Trump "lawyers up," it's good, but if those he's accusing of wrongdoing "lawyers up," it's bad? Isn't this a typical response when in a legal fight?
https://thepostmillennial.com/breaking-dominion-backs-out-of-hearing-before-penn-legislature?fbclid=IwAR2xV-By-hfJ7aS-W6IuPSx2jYG9uNcbQEHkVKVprEHNCjWWmQCMnWxhZrg
Is it really that hard to believe that a small proportion of Republicans (~5%) looked at Donald Trump.Or Kanye? He wasn't on the ballot in my state, but I had hopes for the guy.
Looked at his personality.
Looked at what his administration has done in the last four years..
Looked how he's treated people while they're in his administration and after they've left.
Looked at how his administration has handled Covid-19.
Looked at everything that's happened over the last 4 years of Donald J. Trump being President of the United States of America.
And getting into the voting booth or filling out their absentee ballot and going "I don't want to give him four more years".
Then voting Biden or Jorgenson for President and Republican down the rest of the ticket?
Meanwhile, the liberal media keeps focusing on Trump's ongoing tantrum, ignoring that Biden is creating a centrist warhawk administration and screwing progressives, and thereby the American people. Trump's far worse, but fuck Biden too.
The roaches are starting to look for cover...So if Trump "lawyers up," it's good, but if those he's accusing of wrongdoing "lawyers up," it's bad? Isn't this a typical response when in a legal fight?
https://thepostmillennial.com/breaking-dominion-backs-out-of-hearing-before-penn-legislature?fbclid=IwAR2xV-By-hfJ7aS-W6IuPSx2jYG9uNcbQEHkVKVprEHNCjWWmQCMnWxhZrg
Funny how people see what they want to see.What happens if Trump tells those weak minded drones to unleash and go ham? If he says its 1776 to feed his huge ego? How many take action? What then?
Anyone see Tucker Carlson's bit about Sidney Powell? He contacted her several times to present proof and she didn't, but threw a tantrum and told him to leave her alone.
People are not mad at Trump because they're scared he's got a case - everyone knows he doesn't. They're mad because he's fucking everyone by stalling the transition of power, and the the threat that he's going to try to stay in office unlawfully. Only his weak-brained drones still believe that he won the election, and they'll lap up anything he says. It is rather pathetic, like the idiots running the asylum.
Meanwhile, the liberal media keeps focusing on Trump's ongoing tantrum, ignoring that Biden is creating a centrist warhawk administration and screwing progressives, and thereby the American people. Trump's far worse, but fuck Biden too.
The evidence will be brought into court. We cannot know about it till court date unless we want the evidence to be tampered with.I'll bet you ten-internets the courts fail this country.
fnord.
And then, the info dump came out:
https://twitter.com/JoannaBouras/status/1329456083681865733
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2020/11/fbi-agents-arrest-cincinnati-democrat-accepting-bribes-exchange-votes/
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2020/11/huge-attorney-sidney-powell-coinfirms-alleged-dominion-servers-germany-confiscated-video/
https://twitter.com/justin_hart/status/1329507244270968832
https://twitter.com/justin_hart/status/1329507246380707840
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2020/11/breaking-dominion-voting-systems-backs-testifying-pennsylvania-state-house-committee-hiding/
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2020/11/breaking-exclusive-steal-massive-expert-reveals-hundreds-thousands-trump-votes-shifted-biden-election-night/
What happens if Trump tells those weak minded drones to unleash and go ham? If he says its 1776 to feed his huge ego? How many take action? What then?
I have also never heard of a trans person attacking a woman in the restroom, and never even suggested such. I have, on several occasions from real life LEOs heard accounts of predators attacking women in the women's restroom in public restrooms. This is the same reason I do go with my 9yo son anytime he has to go to the bathroom, because there have also been kids (boys in this case) attacked by predators in the men's restroom.
People are not mad at Trump because they're scared he's got a case - everyone knows he doesn't. They're mad because he's fucking everyone by stalling the transition of power,
and the the threat that he's going to try to stay in office unlawfully.
Only his weak-brained drones still believe that he won the election, and they'll lap up anything he says. It is rather pathetic, like the idiots running the asylum.
Meanwhile, the liberal media keeps focusing on Trump's ongoing tantrum, ignoring that Biden is creating a centrist warhawk administration and screwing progressives, and thereby the American people. Trump's far worse, but fuck Biden too.
That's complete nonsense. The average cost of homes has gone up, but so has the size of the homes. This isn't a case of a carton of milk costing three times as much as it used to, in real dollars. It's that we're now buying 3 cartons instead of 1. As people have gotten richer, they've decided they want to spent more of their money on comforts, like more living space. And if you compare living space per person, it's jumped even more, because family sizes have gotten smaller.
So while we're better off than we were in the 1970s, it can feel like the average worker is falling behind. That's because they are. The workers haven't shared fully in the economy growth. Their slice is bigger in overall terms, but it's a smaller part of the overall pie.
Adjusted for Inflation from 1952 the average home price has risen 3.5 times. The cost of the average car has doubled, as have stamps, while college tuition has risen eight times. Food is a mixed bag, and has mostly remained stable.
Meanwhile, average incomes have fallen to HALF.
I'm sorry, but halved income and doubling or more of necessities such as homes, is not 'a bigger slice'. If I have to work SEVEN TIMES as hard just to keep a roof over my head compared to the previous generation, then by no fucking definition am I doing better. By no definition am I doing 'the same'.
I'll remind you that the first fundamental principle of survival is shelter. Its also the base of the heirarchy of needs. This isn't some pissant nuisance like the cost of a fucking iPhone, or the price of gas (Mostly stable, 1% increase).
Pull the other one, its got bells.
People are not mad at Trump because they're scared he's got a case - everyone knows he doesn't. They're mad because he's fucking everyone by stalling the transition of power,
Trump is under no legal compulsion to concede. Concession is a nicety usually granted when a race isn't close and/or contested. This race was razor thin, and is contested.
Biden can wait his legal turn, and his supporters can just be patient.Quoteand the the threat that he's going to try to stay in office unlawfully.
The media has exaggerated this to the point of ludicrousness, and people are eating it up. They love to play-pretend that Trump's going to be physically dragged out of the White House while people throw rotten tomatoes at him. It's quite a demented revenge-porn daydream.QuoteOnly his weak-brained drones still believe that he won the election, and they'll lap up anything he says. It is rather pathetic, like the idiots running the asylum.
Meanwhile, the liberal media keeps focusing on Trump's ongoing tantrum, ignoring that Biden is creating a centrist warhawk administration and screwing progressives, and thereby the American people. Trump's far worse, but fuck Biden too.
I think Biden is way worse. He supported Title IX and VAWA excesses that infringed on due process rights, he supported the Iraq war, and I imagine under Biden we'll be going back to the middle-east to blow up brown people in order to raise gas prices, and he'll be the George Bridges of the White House, rubber stamping all kinds of Critical Theory based sexism and racism.
Meanwhile, Trump talked a lot of stupid shit, but appointed Betsy DeVos, who fought for due process rights, Trump tried to get us out of the middle-east, and made (AFAIK) the first official move to get racist and sexist Critical Theory out of our government agencies.
I think Biden is going to be a disaster, and so I hope that Trump (or somebody) can pull a rabbit out of a hat.
What happens if Trump tells those weak minded drones to unleash and go ham? If he says its 1776 to feed his huge ego? How many take action? What then?
Funny how people see what they want to see.
Anyone see Tucker Carlson's bit about Sidney Powell? He contacted her several times to present proof and she didn't, but threw a tantrum and told him to leave her alone.
People are not mad at Trump because they're scared he's got a case - everyone knows he doesn't. They're mad because he's fucking everyone by stalling the transition of power, and the the threat that he's going to try to stay in office unlawfully. Only his weak-brained drones still believe that he won the election, and they'll lap up anything he says. It is rather pathetic, like the idiots running the asylum.
Meanwhile, the liberal media keeps focusing on Trump's ongoing tantrum, ignoring that Biden is creating a centrist warhawk administration and screwing progressives, and thereby the American people. Trump's far worse, but fuck Biden too.
Meanwhile, the liberal media keeps focusing on Trump's ongoing tantrum, ignoring that Biden is creating a centrist warhawk administration and screwing progressives, and thereby the American people. Trump's far worse, but fuck Biden too.
How true. Susan Rice is the lead-off batter for Biden's starting lineup and her record is every bit as disgusting as Mike Pompeo's -only Pompeo's apologists never stooped to hiding his crimes behind his gender. Susan Rice's pet project was to use Al Qaeda (remember them from 9/11?) to overthrow Assad in Syria and Qadaffi in Libya. Rice's new friends were so vile (selling girls as sex slaves, beheading little boys, etc) that they turned a thug like Assad into a national hero, since he killed the head-choppers and rapists by the bushel.
In order to gin up war fever in Libya, Susan Rice concocted a Goebbelian lie that was as racist as it was absurd: that Qadaffi had hired black mercenaries, issued them Viagra and ordered them to commit rape (https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/africa/amnesty-questions-claim-that-gaddafi-ordered-rape-as-weapon-of-war-2302037.html). David Duke would have been hard-pressed to dream up a lie so racist and perverted.
You two should be happy. You're getting what you voted for.It'll be interesting to watch the anti-war contingent (assuming they weren't utterly purged during Obama's presidency) try to square the circle of 'Biden is a good boi' with him sending troops into Syria, etc.
Greetings!So again Trainor gets his position emphasized without mentioning that his role has nothing to do with elections outside of campaign finances. Monitoring the election process and alleged fraud in that process isn't in his bailiwick, so his title is rather meaningless in such context.
FEC Chairman Trey Trainor discusses how fraud has been confirmed in the 2020 election, and can be seen in video.
Semper Fidelis,
SHARK
So again Trainor gets his position emphasized without mentioning that his role has nothing to do with elections outside of campaign finances. Monitoring the election process and alleged fraud in that process isn't in his bailiwick, so his title is rather meaningless in such context.
There were some snafus throughout Election Day 2004, but a major problem with the exit polls turned out to be a human reaction: Republicans sometimes refused to answer the queries of pollsters. Bush supporters were particularly unwilling to answer questions posed by young interviewers with graduate degrees.... This factor alone caused an undercount of Bush's votes. Kerry's supporters were inclined to talk with young, educated interviewers, and so Kerry's vote was systematically overstated.The more things change, the more they remain the same.
The pollsters also carried paperwork and notebooks bearing the logos of the major news outlets sponsoring the survey. Republican voters may have so mistrusted the major news media that this association, too, led some to avoid the pollsters.
It'll be interesting to watch the anti-war contingent (assuming they weren't utterly purged during Obama's presidency) try to square the circle of 'Biden is a good boi' with him sending troops into Syria, etc.
Say what you will about Trump; he didn't start any new wars, smoked a couple high value targets with precision strikes, and has been at least trying to bring the troops home (the revelation that the State Department was subverting his orders on getting soldiers out of Syria pisses me off).
Supreme Court declines to take action on Trump’s Pennsylvania appeal prior to certification of Biden win
Published 2 hours ago
on November 23, 2020
By David Edwards
The Supreme Court of the United States on Monday took no action to overturn a lower court decision that allowed the counting of late-arriving mail-in ballots in Pennsylvania.
President Donald Trump’s campaign had sought to exclude mail-in ballots that arrived after election day.
In 4-4 decision in October, the high court upheld the Pennsylvania Supreme Court’s ruling that said ballots postmarked by election day can arrive up to three days after the election.
The court later handed the Trump campaign a victory with an order saying that late-arriving ballots must be segregated before being counted.
The Trump campaign had hoped that the Supreme Court would hear the case prior to Pennsylvania’s certification of the 2020 election.
But on Monday, the court’s regular order list for its November 20 conference did not include any action on the case.
The court could take action at its December 4 conference, which is after Pennsylvania’s November 23 deadline for counties to certify the election.
Michigan just certified Biden's win there.So where does that leave DJT?
Trumps lawsuits have been dismissed or settled.
How's that attempt to throw outDemocratblack votes in PA going? (https://www.rawstory.com/2020/11/supreme-court-declines-to-take-action-on-trumps-pennsylvania-appeal-prior-to-certification-of-biden-win/)QuoteSupreme Court declines to take action on Trump’s Pennsylvania appeal prior to certification of Biden win
Published 2 hours ago
on November 23, 2020
By David Edwards
The Supreme Court of the United States on Monday took no action to overturn a lower court decision that allowed the counting of late-arriving mail-in ballots in Pennsylvania.
President Donald Trump’s campaign had sought to exclude mail-in ballots that arrived after election day.
In 4-4 decision in October, the high court upheld the Pennsylvania Supreme Court’s ruling that said ballots postmarked by election day can arrive up to three days after the election.
The court later handed the Trump campaign a victory with an order saying that late-arriving ballots must be segregated before being counted.
The Trump campaign had hoped that the Supreme Court would hear the case prior to Pennsylvania’s certification of the 2020 election.
But on Monday, the court’s regular order list for its November 20 conference did not include any action on the case.
The court could take action at its December 4 conference, which is after Pennsylvania’s November 23 deadline for counties to certify the election.
So where's the next large pool of minority voters Trump can try to get disqualified? Michigan is out, Pennsylvania is out. They already Ku Kluxed over 200,000 black voters off the rolls before the 2018 elections in Georgia, so that's dead-end, too. My guess is that Trump and Giuliani will demand that all those Apache, Navajo and other aboriginal voters who helped put Biden over in Arizona, Wisconsin and Nevada (https://www.huffpost.com/entry/joe-biden-native-american-voters-2020-election_n_5fad7436c5b635e9dea00c76) prove they're native-born.
Almost perfect, but you forgot to spit on black conservatives and call them house n****s.
Trump administration beginning Biden transition protocols. (https://www.npr.org/2020/11/23/937956178/trump-administration-to-begin-biden-transition-protocols?utm_source=facebook.com&utm_term=nprnews&utm_campaign=npr&utm_medium=social&fbclid=IwAR20Aygsk1i1FH7iBBklAcplRvMkQg3ol6C0iwzRD_sF8JC7momgapWTWwY)
Almost perfect, but you forgot to spit on black conservatives and call them house n****s.
We'll see if Sidney Powell can deliver on her promises. Based on the affidavit bits she's already released, the media is in for a big surprise.Yes, hitch your hopes on a conspiracy nutter that's too extreme for even Giuliani...
Also, there's this fun media delusion that only Trump's campaign can sue the states and undue the bullshit certification of their fraud. Nope. Any group of citizens can take action and those are already underway in multiple states. That's actually the most interesting part of Sidney "going rogue" beyond Rudy's team.
Let the media believe the "transition team" means something. The more they gaslight their audience, the more fun Sidney's victory will be.
We'll see if Sidney Powell can deliver on her promises. Based on the affidavit bits she's already released, the media is in for a big surprise.
Also, there's this fun media delusion that only Trump's campaign can sue the states and undue the bullshit certification of their fraud. Nope. Any group of citizens can take action and those are already underway in multiple states. That's actually the most interesting part of Sidney "going rogue" beyond Rudy's team.
Let the media believe the "transition team" means something. The more they gaslight their audience, the more fun Sidney's victory will be.
We'll see if Sidney Powell can deliver on her promises. Based on the affidavit bits she's already released, the media is in for a big surprise.
It's fun that you kids want to steal an election, but math still works...especially with 250+ affidavits. Cry and scream all you want, but basic statistics proves the fraud.I think your tinfoil is a bit too tight around the temples.
This delusion that Sidney was "fired" for being "nutty" is very cute, but the slightest research shows that's not the case. She's pro bono and her plan from Day 1 was to represent the American people deprived of their votes, not just Trump. Why? Because she knows the fraud involves traitors in both parties and she's already experienced that when she was a federal prosecutor...and documented it in her bestselling book.
As for this "nutty and fired" woman, she sure has Dominion and the entire media very scared. And now with Parler, her "suspensions" on Twatter are even more meaningless.
Funny how the leftist scum did so poorly in House and Senate races, but somehow Biden "won"...and now you believe a 6-3 Republican Supreme Court is going to let massive voter fraud steal an election???
WOW. Are you a fucking idiot, or what? She was NEVER RETAINED BY TRUMP NOR BY HIS LEGAL TEAM. She is still Michael Flynn's Attorney. Sigh. How can so many people NOT understand FACT FROM FICTION.We'll see if Sidney Powell can deliver on her promises. Based on the affidavit bits she's already released, the media is in for a big surprise.
You mean the nutcase so nutcasey she was just fired by Trump for being a nutcase too far?
It's fun that you kids want to steal an election, but math still works...especially with 250+ affidavits. Cry and scream all you want, but basic statistics proves the fraud.
This delusion that Sidney was "fired" for being "nutty" is very cute, but the slightest research shows that's not the case. She's pro bono and her plan from Day 1 was to represent the American people deprived of their votes, not just Trump. Why? Because she knows the fraud involves traitors in both parties and she's already experienced that when she was a federal prosecutor...and documented it in her bestselling book.
As for this "nutty and fired" woman, she sure has Dominion and the entire media very scared. And now with Parler, her "suspensions" on Twatter are even more meaningless.
Funny how the leftist scum did so poorly in House and Senate races, but somehow Biden "won"...and now you believe a 6-3 Republican Supreme Court is going to let massive voter fraud steal an election???
WOW. Are you a fucking idiot, or what? She was NEVER RETAINED BY TRUMP NOR BY HIS LEGAL TEAM. She is still Michael Flynn's Attorney. Sigh. How can so many people NOT understand FACT FROM FICTION.We'll see if Sidney Powell can deliver on her promises. Based on the affidavit bits she's already released, the media is in for a big surprise.
You mean the nutcase so nutcasey she was just fired by Trump for being a nutcase too far?
Anyhow, I gotta take a(n info) dump.
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The Information Keeps on -
Rollin' Rollin' Rollin'!
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https://justthenews.com/politics-policy/elections/mathematics-prof-says-sworn-statement-many-56000-gop-ballots-pa-may-be
https://justthenews.com/politics-policy/elections/thuammultiple-michigan-residents-swear-under-oath-they-witnessed
https://www.courtlistener.com/docket/18632787/6/4/wood-v-raffensperger/
https://justthenews.com/politics-policy/elections/dozen-compelling-pieces-evidence-voting-irregularities-2020-election
https://www.texasattorneygeneral.gov/news/releases/limestone-county-social-worker-charged-134-felony-counts-involving-election-fraud
https://www.michigan.gov/documents/sos/Antrim_Fact_Check_707197_7.pdf
https://da.lacounty.gov/media/news/pair-charged-voter-fraud
https://mailchi.mp/2270aefe51e4/statement-from-sidney-powell-to-we-the-people?e=3b0771afd3
https://twitter.com/GenFlynn/status/1330671677211029506
https://twitter.com/JennaEllisEsq/status/1330629524040658948
https://twitter.com/JennaEllisEsq/status/1330917531146711041
https://twitter.com/MattBraynard/status/1330578867690610694
https://twitter.com/DrPaulGosar/status/1330725927051960322
https://twitter.com/Barnes_Law/status/1330914354947002368 (FYI: I watch this guy on yootoob, along with viva frei)
And then there was this: https://twitter.com/PascrellforNJ/status/1329875147067625474
https://twitter.com/Barnes_Law/status/1330628720470593536
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So what's wrong if our votes were processed in Germany, right? They are our friends, right? RIGHT??
https://twitter.com/DAVINDERANAND3/status/1330078303542251520
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Must make some of the Socialists on here real wet to know Germany has become a threat to their own people again! ::)
At least THIS is something to make you REEEE-l AAAAHngry: https://twitter.com/AnthonySabatini/status/1330882574579871744
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A Quick Reminder:
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Everyone, keep safe during the holiday season. Take care, especially in December.
SEE Some Thing, SAY Some Thing.
Thing.
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--snipp--Ah, thank you - both for the boost and for your service. (I'm lurking your posts about the Viking stuff. Enjoying it immensely!)
Greetings!
Keep the info rolling, Consolcwby!
The Leftists hate truth like vampires hate holy water. "It burns! It burns! Reee!" ;D
Semper Fidelis,
SHARK
Sometimes, you just got to know when to fold.
I think your tinfoil is a bit too tight around the temples.
This nut jobber extremist here just keeps making me laugh! Keep it up, you crazy motherfucker! When everything settles your reality is going to be shattered...and you'll probably hole up somewhere in eternal denial drinking your own piss (literally).Sometimes, you just got to know when to fold.
It's no surprise that you "know when to fold" at the moment you're told to fold. Even Gore the Wimp didn't fold for 37 days and even that was too early and showed his weakness. It's why he was never seen in politics again.
And WHY would anyone fold when they're holding Aces?
The math screams fraud in multiple states and the commonality in each state? Dominion! A company so comically corrupt it belongs in a GI Joe cartoon.
Math is very powerful evidence to judges, and none of this math is so complicated that any Supreme Court justice can't follow what's being shown to them.
Uncovering this fraud requires high school statistics, not nuclear physics.I think your tinfoil is a bit too tight around the temples.
You have proven repeatedly that you don't "think". That's beyond your limited cognitive abilities which exist to simply parrot what you're told.
If you could think, you would be able to look at the election voting anomalies and use basic principles of statistics. It's why we don't have RPG games with rules that say "and now roll five 20s in a row", let alone hundreds of thousands of natural 20s.
The election fraud should panic everyone. There were anomalies in both the 2016 and 2020 primaries around Bernie Sanders that were dismissed as "lack of voter enthusiasm" for the guy with huge crowds of dedicated fans. What happens in 20XX when your candidate has the election stolen from them? What happens when whoever controls Dominion controls the 2022 mid-terms?
If you could think, you would think about that.
It's fun that you kids want to steal an election, but math still works...especially with 250+ affidavits. Cry and scream all you want, but basic statistics proves the fraud.
Funny how the leftist scum did so poorly in House and Senate races, but somehow Biden "won"...and now you believe a 6-3 Republican Supreme Court is going to let massive voter fraud steal an election???
Keep it up, you crazy motherfucker!
When everything settles your reality is going to be shattered...and you'll probably hole up somewhere in eternal denial drinking your own piss (literally).
(https://i.chzbgr.com/full/2659238400/h6A37CD34/batshit-crazy-youre-doing-it-right)Keep it up, you crazy motherfucker!
Unlike you, keeping it up isn't a problem for me.When everything settles your reality is going to be shattered...and you'll probably hole up somewhere in eternal denial drinking your own piss (literally).
Really? My somewhere happens to have a jacuzzi and I prefer tequila for my drinking. You have to cuck for the Coronapanic for a paycheck. I don't. I steer my own company and business is good (and built to be "recession proof" after learning my lessons from the Obama years).
My reality shattered? How droll. My "reality" is that regardless of this election's outcome, the culture war accelerates in viciousness and divisiveness. A second Trump term can hold of the inevitable destruction off America for a few years, but nothing short of civil war or balkanization can solve the underlying problems.
Furthermore, the most strident voices on the left have no patience for a "moderate" Biden and they will become unhinged unless swiftly appeased...at which point they will demand more...
You are fucking delusional.
The proof will be when the Court doesn't even bother to hear the cases because they are such obvious bullshit.
Yes HappyDaze, it's surely "batshit crazy" to imagine that the 2020 election would lead to greater social division and overheating of the culture war!! Who would think of such nonsense? LOL.Hey, I'm more than willing to see what case she presents, but in the meantime I'll laugh my ass off at those that, without seeing her supposed evidence, bleat out that she has the secrets of the universe at the ready. She might as well claim that she has an actual, living kraken for as much as she's shown. Sure, she's holding her cards close, blah, blah, whatever. Let's see what she really has...and how the REEEE of the Trumplanders will go off to spin it into something more than it is.
What is "batshit crazy" is imagining that Biden (who couldn't fill a gym with supporters) and Kamala (who dropped out with 1% support in the primaries) will enjoy the approval of the most vocal and aggressive leftists when their "presidency" doesn't deliver communism swiftly.You are fucking delusional.
So true! I keep seeing math that is statistically impossible. Math that dozens of experts have repeatedly proved isn't in the realm of reality and involves hundreds of thousands of votes in multiple states.
Not stories. Not conjecture. Not rumors. Math.
It's no wonder why leftists hate math so much.The proof will be when the Court doesn't even bother to hear the cases because they are such obvious bullshit.
I guess 250+ people are going to get charged with perjury and Sidney Powell is going to lose every dime she has in Dominion's massive defamation lawsuit!!
The fun part doesn't involve the Court. When Sidney files her lawsuit, she will be filing her evidence and the affidavits into the public record for everyone to see, read and discuss. That's her make or break moment.
It's one thing for Rudy to flap his lips (and leak his hair gel) for $20k/day, but Sidney is pro bono. If she has no Kraken, her impeccable reputation will be destroyed and she'll face lawsuits and probable disbarment.
She'd have to be a totally crazy person...except she's the person whose dismantled "impossible" cases repeatedly in her career and now, she has access to massive crowdsourced support and whistleblowers.
Of course, I agree that the USSC might ignore the fraud. That's absolutely possible, but that only accelerates the civil war and/or balkanization timetable.
I guess 250+ people are going to get charged with perjury and Sidney Powell is going to lose every dime she has in Dominion's massive defamation lawsuit!!
The fun part doesn't involve the Court.
Of course, I agree that the USSC might ignore the fraud. That's absolutely possible, but that only accelerates the civil war and/or balkanization timetable.
This is an odd one:Don't worry, our Betters will be selling them back to the CCP shortly.
https://www.wsj.com/articles/chinese-dissidents-back-trumps-claims-of-election-fraud-11606057766
A lot of Chinese dissidents are saying the US election was rigged, and are supporting Trump. One of their biggest criticisms was aimed at the TV networks who cut off Trump's post-election news conference, which they said reminded them of censorship in China.
Most of the affidavits are just supporting claims which are not in themselves evidence of fraud.
Sidney Powell is fucking nuts and everyone is backing away from her right now.
Dominion isn't likely to sue an attorney fro defamation, they will just win the day in court each time.
Nobody will give a shit about these issues beyond this election. Only the nutter conspiracy theorists will still talk about it later.
And when there is no civil war and it's just an ordinary Biden presidency will you admit you were wrong?
BTW, leafykitty, you REEEE real good!
And your REEEE represents the limits of your vocabulary, you sad sack of shit.BTW, leafykitty, you REEEE real good!
In the past, I would question whether that's the best you've got, but in 2020, you have proven the above represents the limit of your cognition.
I don't have access to her "Kraken" evidence, only to the statistical data that's been posted online which shows beyond a shadow of a doubt that something is very, very wrong with this election and all the "errors" benefit Biden.
A house divided cannot stand.
Does that guarantee civil war? In the history of humanity, violence before separation has been very common, sometimes minor skirmishes, but quite often outright civil war - most especially when there's economic strife.
It's ludicrous to believe the USA is immune to the historical realities of mankind. That's why its best to start discussions for a peaceful separation before the shooting starts.
Well, if they've got statistics, I'm sure they have the lies and damn lies to back them up.I don't have access to her "Kraken" evidence, only to the statistical data that's been posted online which shows beyond a shadow of a doubt that something is very, very wrong with this election and all the "errors" benefit Biden.
Spinachcat - Do you have a link to something that shows the data along the method and its sources? I looked over a Redstate.com article earlier in this thread, which had a bunch of statistics but no explanation of its sources or methods.
Spinachcat - Do you have a link to something that shows the data along the method and its sources? I looked over a Redstate.com article earlier in this thread, which had a bunch of statistics but no explanation of its sources or methods.
And your REEEE represents the limits of your vocabulary, you sad sack of shit.
And when there is no civil war, and no separation, and it's just an ordinary Biden presidency will you admit you were wrong?
America is evolving, and that means change, not death. Unless you and yours are evolutionary dead ends...which makes a lot of sense. Run from the people of the future, caveman.And when there is no civil war, and no separation, and it's just an ordinary Biden presidency will you admit you were wrong?
Absolutely!
Maybe Biden will be the most amazing President ever and his "very progressive agenda" (his words) will sprinkle the world with rainbows and unicorns!
I admit that it is VERY possible (and according to my friends, very probable) that the outcome of America's fall into socialism, communism and destruction is total obedience by the nation in our own suicide.
Based on the past 50 years of TOTAL FAILURE to push back in the culture war, the leftists have very good reason to believe "the right" will do nothing in the future as well and simply kvetch on Parler, grind their teeth watching NewsMax or TrumpNews, wave flags at rallies and stockpile guns and ammo they never will shoot.
It is VERY possible "the right" will go back to voting for spineless Republicans and continue to gobble down their useless promises to "fight for something in the future" and then watch as more and more of American values, traditions and history are lost forever.
Unless "the right" gets off its ass, America dies. How her death happens is yet to be determined. I fully accept the fact that "the right" might lay down - and 2020 is a good indicator of that - but the history of humanity shows that economic strife + cultural divide = violence & separation. Of course, who knows if that's a 4 year or a 14 year or 40 year timetable.
If you ask me to bet, even I'd bet money on your kind killing America long before my kind stands up and stops you.
America is evolving, and that means change, not death.
I agree that not all change is good, but I don't believe all change is bad either.America is evolving, and that means change, not death.
Russia "evolved" so much in 1917.
Castro brought such "change" to Cuba.
Who do you worship more, Mao or the Khmer Rouge?
Communism definitely brings change AND death. Lots and lots of death.
And when there is no civil war, and no separation, and it's just an ordinary Biden presidency will you admit you were wrong?
Absolutely!
Maybe Biden will be the most amazing President ever and his "very progressive agenda" (his words) will sprinkle the world with rainbows and unicorns!
I admit that it is VERY possible (and according to my friends, very probable) that the outcome of America's fall into socialism, communism and destruction is total obedience by the nation in our own suicide.
Based on the past 50 years of TOTAL FAILURE to push back in the culture war, the leftists have very good reason to believe "the right" will do nothing in the future as well and simply kvetch on Parler, grind their teeth watching NewsMax or TrumpNews, wave flags at rallies and stockpile guns and ammo they never will shoot.
It is VERY possible "the right" will go back to voting for spineless Republicans and continue to gobble down their useless promises to "fight for something in the future" and then watch as more and more of American values, traditions and history are lost forever.
Unless "the right" gets off its ass, America dies. How her death happens is yet to be determined. I fully accept the fact that "the right" might lay down - and 2020 is a good indicator of that - but the history of humanity shows that economic strife + cultural divide = violence & separation. Of course, who knows if that's a 4 year or a 14 year or 40 year timetable.
If you ask me to bet, even I'd bet money on your kind killing America long before my kind stands up and stops you.
Spinachcat - Do you have a link to something that shows the data along the method and its sources? I looked over a Redstate.com article earlier in this thread, which had a bunch of statistics but no explanation of its sources or methods.
I have seen numerous articles, but I do not have link with a master list. I will try to backtrack to the better articles that had the data presented - particularly the datadumps related to the sudden spikes in votes on the morning of Nov 4th.
I do know Matt Braynard's name has shown up in several articles and this is his "final analysis" video with details from his Voter Integrity Project. It's a lengthy discussion (I don't enjoy podcasts) and I am waiting for his white paper promised next week.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XH9ihoLi1NA&feature=emb_logo (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XH9ihoLi1NA&feature=emb_logo)
Hopefully, the white paper will link to the raw data so other people can examine his findings and verify his results. For any voter integrity to be valuable long term, we need the raw data publicly available for multiple researchers to confirm, deny or question the analysis.
(Re: Biden) He may have won; he may not have won. Trump may have lost. Trump may have been re-elected. We just can't know, because of how bad this election system has operated. Because of all the problems it has allowed that I have brought to your attention.
And when there is no civil war, and no separation, and it's just an ordinary Biden presidency will you admit you were wrong?
Absolutely!
Maybe Biden will be the most amazing President ever and his "very progressive agenda" (his words) will sprinkle the world with rainbows and unicorns!
<hilarious naivete snipped>I just saw Dianne Feinstein will no longer be on the Judiciary Committee. Well, she IS 87... but there's also the small matter of not being sufficiently aggressive and mean to dirty prole Republicans.
For 4 years all people heard was: "ELECTION WAS RIGGED!!!", "TRUMP IS A FRAUD!!!", "HIS SUPPORTERS MUST BE DEALT WITH!", "BURN DOWN AMERICA!!! NO MORE LAW AND ORDER!! DESTROY!".
Oh please we both know that isn't happening. With a Republican Senate, and a bare majority in the House with enough fearful moderate Democratic House members fearing the midterms if they are perceived to be progressive, we're talking a deadlocked Congress.Except that's not true. Industry spread across America because of entrepreneurs, not pork. For infrastructure, look up the history of private roads in the 19th century. The US had a huge network of toll roads, and a huge network of free roads that were funded local businesses, who benefited from the additional commerce. While the resultant roads were shared public goods, or classic positive externalities, and thus ripe for government intervention according to Pigouvian thinking, the market still created innovative ways for key beneficiaries to share the costs, and thus created them despite the theorizing. Eisenhower did create a national standard and turned the roads into a more consistent network, but it's worth remembering he did it primarily to facilitate troop transport in the case of an invasion, not for commercial or private use. Aerospace is not commercially viable on its own, but contracting out public services to private companies, from Boeing to Space X, is how the industry has always operated.
Their only prayer of accomplishing something would be to pass the bill previously proposed to reinstate earmarks. Once earmarks are reinstated, then they can start making back room deals again, and have a chance at actually passing a bill. Things like "You vote to give bullet train money to California, and we will vote to give defense contracts to Texas" type deals were the backbone of how most things got done when we were younger.
This is how industry was originally spread across America. It's how our aerospace industry at one time was the best in the world. It's how our roads were, at one time, the best in the world. It's how our dams, our electrical system, our waterways, were all once the best in the world. It's how we got to the moon, and built track homes to make the suburbs, advanced architecture, and medicine. With backroom deals made in smoke filled rooms by overly fed and overly ego'ed good old boys trying to screw each other in negotiations.
That's going to come back and bite them. This election was clearly a repudiation of the progressive wing of the Democratic Party. But the progressives still control the narrative in social media, and many of the levers of power, and they're using it to purge moderates (though Feinstein is only a moderate by current standards), or force them to take more extreme positions (Biden's various statements pandering to the AOC crowd, for instance). Which is exactly what the voters don't want. The 2022 midterms are likely to be a blue rout.<hilarious naivete snipped>I just saw Dianne Feinstein will no longer be on the Judiciary Committee. Well, she IS 87... but there's also the small matter of not being sufficiently aggressive and mean to dirty prole Republicans.
https://www.politico.com/news/2020/11/23/dianne-feinstein-step-down-senate-judiciary-439836
Money quote:
"This was a necessary step if Democrats are ever going to meaningfully confront the damage Donald Trump and Mitch McConnell have done to the federal judiciary," said Brian Fallon, executive director of Demand Justice. "Going forward, Democrats on the Senate Judiciary Committee must be led by someone who will not wishfully cling to a bygone era of civility and decorum that Republicans abandoned long ago."
Civility? Decorum? Holy shit, did this guy see the same Kavanaugh hearings I did? That was a fucking circus, complete with elephants and clowns and trapeze acts.
But no, evidently daffy ol' Dianne (she is NOT my favorite person due to her championing of anti-2A laws and bills) was insufficiently woke to please the radicals. Dick 'It's my name!' Durbin, and Whackjob Whitehorse will be vying for her seat. Wonderful.
Yeah, this is gonna be a fun couple years.
America is evolving, and that means change, not death.
Russia "evolved" so much in 1917.
Castro brought such "change" to Cuba.
Who do you worship more, Mao or the Khmer Rouge?
Communism definitely brings change AND death. Lots and lots of death.
Oh please we both know that isn't happening. With a Republican Senate, and a bare majority in the House with enough fearful moderate Democratic House members fearing the midterms if they are perceived to be progressive, we're talking a deadlocked Congress.Except that's not true. Industry spread across America because of entrepreneurs, not pork.
Their only prayer of accomplishing something would be to pass the bill previously proposed to reinstate earmarks. Once earmarks are reinstated, then they can start making back room deals again, and have a chance at actually passing a bill. Things like "You vote to give bullet train money to California, and we will vote to give defense contracts to Texas" type deals were the backbone of how most things got done when we were younger.
This is how industry was originally spread across America. It's how our aerospace industry at one time was the best in the world. It's how our roads were, at one time, the best in the world. It's how our dams, our electrical system, our waterways, were all once the best in the world. It's how we got to the moon, and built track homes to make the suburbs, advanced architecture, and medicine. With backroom deals made in smoke filled rooms by overly fed and overly ego'ed good old boys trying to screw each other in negotiations.
Most of the violence in the recent protests has been fomented either by the boogalooers and their ilk, or by federal intervention sent in against the wishes of mayors and governors. And murderers like Kyle Rittenhouse are heroes to the right.
No, you just have a very weak understanding of economics.Oh please we both know that isn't happening. With a Republican Senate, and a bare majority in the House with enough fearful moderate Democratic House members fearing the midterms if they are perceived to be progressive, we're talking a deadlocked Congress.Except that's not true. Industry spread across America because of entrepreneurs, not pork.
Their only prayer of accomplishing something would be to pass the bill previously proposed to reinstate earmarks. Once earmarks are reinstated, then they can start making back room deals again, and have a chance at actually passing a bill. Things like "You vote to give bullet train money to California, and we will vote to give defense contracts to Texas" type deals were the backbone of how most things got done when we were younger.
This is how industry was originally spread across America. It's how our aerospace industry at one time was the best in the world. It's how our roads were, at one time, the best in the world. It's how our dams, our electrical system, our waterways, were all once the best in the world. It's how we got to the moon, and built track homes to make the suburbs, advanced architecture, and medicine. With backroom deals made in smoke filled rooms by overly fed and overly ego'ed good old boys trying to screw each other in negotiations.
You are naive and misinformed.
Steel, coal, aerospace, construction machinery and contracts, they all came from Government contracts starting in the 30s which only grew through the 50s and 60s.
The government is not "taking credit for everything good" as a lot of this was private companies receiving Government contracts. But pork spending drove a huge amount of this growth.
Greetings!
This election has been so full of fraud and corruption. Full investigations and audits need to be done, and all of these corrupt pollsters, workers, election officials, and slimy politicians need to fucking pay.
Semper Fidelis,
SHARK
No, you just have a very weak understanding of economics.Oh please we both know that isn't happening. With a Republican Senate, and a bare majority in the House with enough fearful moderate Democratic House members fearing the midterms if they are perceived to be progressive, we're talking a deadlocked Congress.Except that's not true. Industry spread across America because of entrepreneurs, not pork.
Their only prayer of accomplishing something would be to pass the bill previously proposed to reinstate earmarks. Once earmarks are reinstated, then they can start making back room deals again, and have a chance at actually passing a bill. Things like "You vote to give bullet train money to California, and we will vote to give defense contracts to Texas" type deals were the backbone of how most things got done when we were younger.
This is how industry was originally spread across America. It's how our aerospace industry at one time was the best in the world. It's how our roads were, at one time, the best in the world. It's how our dams, our electrical system, our waterways, were all once the best in the world. It's how we got to the moon, and built track homes to make the suburbs, advanced architecture, and medicine. With backroom deals made in smoke filled rooms by overly fed and overly ego'ed good old boys trying to screw each other in negotiations.
You are naive and misinformed.
Steel, coal, aerospace, construction machinery and contracts, they all came from Government contracts starting in the 30s which only grew through the 50s and 60s.
The government is not "taking credit for everything good" as a lot of this was private companies receiving Government contracts. But pork spending drove a huge amount of this growth.
It's not under dispute that the government spent a lot, especially starting in the 1930s. Nor is it under dispute that the spending resulted in certain goods. The real question is whether the government's expenditure of those resources provided a net benefit over the alternative uses of those resources, i.e. whether the free market would have provided superior or less costly goods. Simply listing the benefits that resulted, as you did, is giving the government for the entire good, rather than considering whether that good is better or worse than that the goods that would have resulted, without the government intervention. That's exactly what I was decrying when I said you are giving government credit for everything good that happened.
You should consider reading Bastiat's parable of the seen and the unseen, (http://bastiat.org/en/twisatwins.html) which is probably the most famous illustration of how only looking at the immediately effects, without considering the alternatives that could have happened, completely misses the real trade offs involved. For an alternate source, it's the "lesson" in Henry Hazlitt's Economics in One Lesson, which is perhaps the most famous introductory work on economics in the 20th century (and is currently free at the Mises Institute). (https://mises.org/forms/get-your-free-economics-one-lesson-book) You might also consider looking into the Nobel prize winning work of James Buchanan on public choice theory, which applies that concept to the government.
You are naive and misinformed.
Steel, coal, aerospace, construction machinery and contracts, they all came from Government contracts starting in the 30s which only grew through the 50s and 60s.
The government is not "taking credit for everything good" as a lot of this was private companies receiving Government contracts. But pork spending drove a huge amount of this growth.
They are doing investigations. They are going to courts. The courts are all saying the were not in fact fraudulent and corrupt. You're unwilling to accept those rulings because of your partisan bias. Despite similar stuff happening when Trump won, at the same locations, where you didn't have a complaint but did call Clinton a sore loser at the time.
At some point there will be a reckoning for how you are behaving right now about this election. Let's hope your reckoning is kinder and gentler than the one you wish on your political opposites.
Most of the violence in the recent protests has been fomented either by the boogalooers and their ilk, or by federal intervention sent in against the wishes of mayors and governors. And murderers like Kyle Rittenhouse are heroes to the right.
I saw some of the riots close up, BLM people were literally tearing stores down. Store owners were putting up BLM signs in a panic, hoping to avoid being looted. In some areas it looked like a protection racket (later confirmed by some latinos on the news).
Oh and the media seem to want people to think that boogalooers are "right wing". I have seen lots of leftists thinking this because the media keep saying it. They protested against the police after George Floyd died, and one of them has supported Hamas. Does that sound right wing to anyone?
There was not the money at the time, or the motivation at the time, to engage in those projects by the private sector. Nor were banks willing to lend on it, without Government backing for the financing.What do you base that on? The huge economic flowering of the previous century, with a minimal government footprint? The even more severe downturn in 1920 and 1921, where Harding did absolutely nothing and the economy bounced back on its own almost immediately?
They are doing investigations. They are going to courts. The courts are all saying the were not in fact fraudulent and corrupt. You're unwilling to accept those rulings because of your partisan bias. Despite similar stuff happening when Trump won, at the same locations, where you didn't have a complaint but did call Clinton a sore loser at the time.
At some point there will be a reckoning for how you are behaving right now about this election. Let's hope your reckoning is kinder and gentler than the one you wish on your political opposites.
(https://i.imgur.com/FJHKN6n.jpg)
There was not the money at the time, or the motivation at the time, to engage in those projects by the private sector. Nor were banks willing to lend on it, without Government backing for the financing.What do you base that on? The huge economic flowering of the previous century, with a minimal government footprint? The even more severe downturn in 1920 and 1921, where Harding did absolutely nothing and the economy bounced back on its own almost immediately?
There was not the money at the time, or the motivation at the time, to engage in those projects by the private sector. Nor were banks willing to lend on it, without Government backing for the financing.What do you base that on? The huge economic flowering of the previous century, with a minimal government footprint? The even more severe downturn in 1920 and 1921, where Harding did absolutely nothing and the economy bounced back on its own almost immediately?
Are you seriously arguing projects like the TVA and Hoover Dam and San Francisco Bridge and the intercontinental highway would have just been built by private industry without at least Government backed loans? Please.
Your cherry picked except from the larger text not withstanding, So far, though, supporters of President Donald Trump and the Trump campaign itself have failed in all their legal challenges to the process or the results of Michigan’s November 3rd elections. (https://www.michiganradio.org/post/mi-court-appeals-denies-election-fraud-case-against-detroit)
The courts are all saying the were not in fact fraudulent and corrupt. You're unwilling to accept those rulings because of your partisan bias.
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At some point there will be a reckoning for how you are behaving right now about this election.
Greetings!
This election has been so full of fraud and corruption. Full investigations and audits need to be done, and all of these corrupt pollsters, workers, election officials, and slimy politicians need to fucking pay.
Semper Fidelis,
SHARK
They are doing investigations. They are going to courts. The courts are all saying the were not in fact fraudulent and corrupt. You're unwilling to accept those rulings because of your partisan bias. Despite similar stuff happening when Trump won, at the same locations, where you didn't have a complaint but did call Clinton a sore loser at the time.
At some point there will be a reckoning for how you are behaving right now about this election. Let's hope your reckoning is kinder and gentler than the one you wish on your political opposites.
Are you seriously arguing projects like the TVA and Hoover Dam and San Francisco Bridge and the intercontinental highway would have just been built by private industry without at least Government backed loans? Please.Maybe there would have been ferries, instead of a giant bridge. But if the bridge made more sense, then it would have been built. Dams are even easier, because they could easily estimate the power output and compare that to projected needs, and potential profits. The intercontinental highway system? It wouldn't have been as standardized, but something equivalent would have probably sprung up. It would probably have been more of a patchwork differing from state to state, and more pay as you go, but it wouldn't have been a huge subsidy for trucking companies, so railroads might have flourished instead.
Court cases are proceeding in Georgia, Arizona, Michigan, Wisconsin, and Pennsylvania--and maybe still Nevada.
Looks like SHARK got bit.Court cases are proceeding in Georgia, Arizona, Michigan, Wisconsin, and Pennsylvania--and maybe still Nevada.
Here is the current status of all cases in those states. Note that the first three of the states you mention no longer have any remaining active cases. That doesn't mean there could not be a future appeal, but right now cases are not in fact proceeding in those three states.
Georgia [ NO REMAINING ACTIVE CASES ]
U.S. District Court, Northern District: In Wood v. Raffensperger, an Atlanta lawyer and Trump supporter sought an injunction to prevent a statewide canvass, arguing that a consent decree wrongly imposes an invalid procedure to verify voter signatures.
Status: Dismissed.
U.S. District Court, Southern District: In Brooks v. Mahoney, four Republican voters claimed that a voting machine software glitch caused a miscounting of votes.
Status: Dismissed.
Chatham County Superior Court: The Georgia Republican Party and the Trump campaign sought a reminder that mail-in ballots arriving late would not be counted.
Status: Dismissed.
Arizona [ NO REMAINING ACTIVE CASES ]
Maricopa County Superior Court: In Arizona Republican Party v. Fontes, the Republicans sought a hand recount of the ballots cast in Maricopa County by precinct. The GOP does not allege fraud, but it claims that the audit of votes did not meet state law.
Status: Dismissed.
Maricopa County Superior Court: In Trump v. Hobbs, the Trump campaign claimed that using Sharpies to fill in mail-in ballots caused an overvote and invalidated ballots.
Status: Dismissed.
Michigan [ NO REMAINING ACTIVE CASES ]
U.S. District Court, Western District: In Johnson/Stoddard v. Benson, two Trump supporters made generalized allegations of voter fraud.
Status: Withdrawn.
U.S. District Court, Western District: In Trump v. Benson, the campaign claimed that Wayne County denied election challengers proper access to watch election workers handle ballots.
Status: Withdrawn.
Wayne County Circuit Court, Court of Appeals: In Constantino v. Detroit, two Republican poll challengers alleged irregularities in the vote.
Status: Denied. The plaintiffs have appealed to the state Supreme Court.
Wayne County Circuit Court: In Stoddard v. Detroit, the plaintiffs claimed that ballots were improperly duplicated by Democratic Party inspectors.
Status: Denied.
Michigan Court of Claims: In Trump v. Benson, the campaign sought to have more poll observers watch the vote count.
Status: Denied. The plaintiffs appealed to the appellate court. Judge Cynthia D. Stephens said in her opinion that the case was "inadmissible hearsay within hearsay." "I heard someone else say something," Michigan Judge Cynthia Stephens said Thursday, summing up an affidavit submitted by the Trump campaign. "Tell me how that is not hearsay. Come on now!"
U.S. District Court, Western District: In Bally v. Whitmer, a group of voters disputed election results in three counties based on allegations of voting irregularities and fraud.
Status: Withdrawn.
Wisconsin
U.S. District Court, Eastern District: In Langenhorst v. Pecore, Republicans made generalized allegations of voter fraud that relied on third-party accounts.
Status: Dismissed.
Wisconsin Supreme Court: In Wisconsin Voters Alliance v. Wisconsin Election Commission, a conservative group claims that the five cities of Kenosha, Green Bay, Madison, Milwaukee and Racine illegally accepted grants from Facebook CEO, Mark Zuckerburg to improve election systems. They also claim that officials failed to get voter identification for some mail-in ballots.
Status: Active.
Pennsylvania
3rd U.S. Court of Appeals: In Bognet v. Boockvar, Republicans argued that the extended mail-in ballot deadline challenged the constitution.
Status: Denied.
U.S. District Court, Eastern District: In Barnette v. Lawrence, the GOP lawsuit claimed that Montgomery County wrongly allowed mail-in voters the chance to cure ballots.
Status: Dismissed.
U.S. District Court, Eastern District: In Trump v. Philadelphia County Board of Elections, the Trump campaign argued that there was insufficient access by observers.
Status: Denied. The Trump campaign later admitted that there were a "nonzero number of people in the room" observing the vote count, including some affiliated with the campaign. Judge Paul S. Diamond shot back, "I'm sorry, then what's your problem?"
U.S. District Court, Middle District: In Pirkle v. Wolf, four voter plaintiffs generalized allegations of fraud, based on complaints issued by third parties.
Status: Withdrawn.
Pennsylvania Supreme Court: In response to the Canvass of Absentee and Mail-in Ballots, Republicans claim that Philadelphia did not give election observers enough access.
Status: Denied. The court reversed the petition allowing an appeal. The court rejected the Trump campaign's claim that mail-in ballots with minor flaws must be rejected.
Pennsylvania Commonwealth Court: In Hamm v. Boockvar, Republicans claimed that the state wrongly allowed voters to cast provisional ballots to cure invalid mail ballots.
Status: Denied.
Pennsylvania Commonwealth Court: Northampton Republicans challenged notifications of votes that were canceled during prescreening.
Status: Withdrawn.
Pennsylvania Commonwealth Court: In Trump v. Boockvar, the campaign challenged the three-day deadline extension given to mail-in voters missing identification to supply proof of identification.
Status: Relief granted. The court found that the secretary of state had no authority to provide an extension. The secretary of state's office has said the total number of votes is probably fewer than 100 statewide.
Court of Common Pleas, Bucks County: Both the Republican National Committee and the Trump campaign challenged over 2,000 mail-in ballots.
Status: Active. The Democratic National Committee and Bucks County seek an immediate review in Pennsylvania's Supreme Court of whether minor oversights can invalidate ballots.
Montgomery County Court of Common Pleas: In Trump v. Montgomery County Board of Elections, the Trump campaign and the RNC challenged about 600 mail-in ballots that lacked voters' addresses.
Status: Withdrawn.
U.S. Supreme Court: In Republican Party of Pennsylvania v. Boockvar, Republicans challenged the extended mail-in ballot deadline.
Status: Active.
U.S. District Court, Middle District: In Trump v. Boockvar, the campaign is arguing that different provisional ballot practices violate equal protection.
Status: Active.
A federal judge dismissed the suit Saturday in a scathing opinion: "This claim, like Frankenstein's Monster, has been haphazardly stitched together," Judge Matthew Brann wrote.
The Trump campaign on Monday appealed Saturday's ruling in a document riddled with perplexing logic and multiple grammatical errors.
Pennsylvania Supreme Court: The Trump campaign appealed a Philadelphia County Board of Elections decision to count five different categories of mail-in and absentee ballots.
Status: Active. The court is reviewing whether the state election code allows curing some mail-in ballots by casting provisional ballots.
Pennsylvania Supreme Court: In Ziccarelli v. Allegheny County Board of Elections, Nicole Ziccarelli, a GOP legislative candidate, challenged 2,349 undated mail-in ballots.
Status: Stayed. Ziccarelli sought an injunction Monday to stop the certification of votes in Allegheny County.
Court of Common Pleas for Westmoreland County: Ziccarelli is also challenging a small number of provisional ballots.
Status: Pending.
Pennsylvania Commonwealth Court: In Kelly v. Pennsylvania, a group of Republicans, led by Rep. Mike Kelly, claimed that the state's no-excuse mail ballot law violates the state constitution. They sought an order blocking certification of most mail-in votes or that directs the state Assembly to choose the presidential electors.
Status: Active. The court on Wednesday issued a temporary blocking of any action to certify votes in Pennsylvania, “to the extent that there remains any further action to perfect the certification.” A hearing is set for Friday. The state has sought a supreme court review.
Looks like SHARK got bit.Court cases are proceeding in Georgia, Arizona, Michigan, Wisconsin, and Pennsylvania--and maybe still Nevada.
Here is the current status of all cases in those states. Note that the first three of the states you mention no longer have any remaining active cases. That doesn't mean there could not be a future appeal, but right now cases are not in fact proceeding in those three states.
Georgia [ NO REMAINING ACTIVE CASES ]
--snipp--
Status: Active. The court on Wednesday issued a temporary blocking of any action to certify votes in Pennsylvania, “to the extent that there remains any further action to perfect the certification.” A hearing is set for Friday. The state has sought a supreme court review.
That's some grade A conspiracy theory nonsense you posted there. You say "IF the above is true" as though there's a chance in hell. Of course, the nutters on this site are likely to eat this shit up.Looks like SHARK got bit.Court cases are proceeding in Georgia, Arizona, Michigan, Wisconsin, and Pennsylvania--and maybe still Nevada.
Here is the current status of all cases in those states. Note that the first three of the states you mention no longer have any remaining active cases. That doesn't mean there could not be a future appeal, but right now cases are not in fact proceeding in those three states.
Georgia [ NO REMAINING ACTIVE CASES ]
--snipp--
Status: Active. The court on Wednesday issued a temporary blocking of any action to certify votes in Pennsylvania, “to the extent that there remains any further action to perfect the certification.” A hearing is set for Friday. The state has sought a supreme court review.
Found out more about SHARK and the KRAKEN:
https://breakingdefense.com/2013/04/army-releases-the-kraken-to-protect-foreign-fire-bases-id-lik/
https://themarshallreport.wordpress.com/2020/11/22/sidney-powells-kraken-is-dod-cyber-warfare-program-we-are-at-war
http://tapnewswire.com/2020/11/intelligence-update-the-great-reset-vs-the-great-awakening-the-grand-battle-taking-place-right-now-for-the-future-of-america-and-the-free-world/
https://www.naturalnews.com/2020-11-19-replacing-mark-esper-now-acting-defense-secretary-chris-miller-activates-special-operations-forces-to-report-directly-to-him.html
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kXN7v4waSmw
IF the above is true, then....
For everything there is a season, and a time for every purpose under heaven; a time to be born, and a time to die; a time to plant, and a time to pluck up that which is planted; a time to kill, and a time to heal; a time to break down, and a time to build up; a time to weep, and a time to laugh; a time to mourn, and a time to dance; a time to cast away stones, and a time to gather stones together; a time to embrace, and a time to refrain from embracing; a time to seek, and a time to lose; a time to keep, and a time to cast away; a time to rend, and a time to sew; a time to keep silence, and a time to speak; a time to love, and a time to hate; a time for war, and a time for peace. (Ecclesiastes 3:1-8) THIS IS NOT A TIME TO BE SILENT!
I have no evidence to prove it as a theory nor do I have any evidence to say it is the absolute truth.That's some grade A conspiracy theory nonsense you posted there. You say "IF the above is true" as though there's a chance in hell. Of course, the nutters on this site are likely to eat this shit up.Looks like SHARK got bit.Court cases are proceeding in Georgia, Arizona, Michigan, Wisconsin, and Pennsylvania--and maybe still Nevada.
Here is the current status of all cases in those states. Note that the first three of the states you mention no longer have any remaining active cases. That doesn't mean there could not be a future appeal, but right now cases are not in fact proceeding in those three states.
Georgia [ NO REMAINING ACTIVE CASES ]
--snipp--
Status: Active. The court on Wednesday issued a temporary blocking of any action to certify votes in Pennsylvania, “to the extent that there remains any further action to perfect the certification.” A hearing is set for Friday. The state has sought a supreme court review.
Found out more about SHARK and the KRAKEN:
--snipp--
I have no evidence to prove it as a theory nor do I have any evidence to say it is the absolute truth.
What I find interesting is how people react to this. You react as if it threatens you personally. I try to post unusual and interesting information. I also accuse and call people out, but hardly ever by name. Many people think I specifically called them something - taking great offense - when what I was posting was not about/i] them. Interesting how people identify themselves as something, isn't it HD?
Why is what I post so threatening to you and others?
Or are you just trolling?
It's interesting to me either way.
Greetings!
Yep. Some cases in the various contested states have been dismissed. More are being filed, and appealed.
Guess what happens when the Trump Campaign pushes these various cases--as well as Lin Wood, Sidney Powell, and other attorneys--to the United States Supreme Court?
Oh, yeah. All of the main contested states are overseen by SCOTUS Alito, Kavanaugh, Clarence Thomas, and other conservative justices.
Sidney Powell, as I understand--has been an excellent Federal Prosecutor for many years. Yeah, Federal Prosecutors are known for being incompetent and crazy, right? Oh, that's right, Sidney Powell just spearheaded the case that blew the fucking lying Liberals to hell in their corrupt case against General Flynn. Remember the scandal? Just a few months ago, all the cock-sucking Liberals, the Democrats, the corrupt agents in the FBI, they were all fucking disgraced and covered in shit. Their attempts at crucifying General Flynn was entirely corrupt BS.
Seeing that forgiveness is something you all abhor, probably because Christianity is weakness to you, perhaps you should have the gravitas to drag them from their home and put a bullet in the back of their head. If you can't forgive, then be merciful perhaps? Or is it sadism that gets you all off? Remember, they never talked about cutting Joe Biden's head off, nor do they go around beating up those weaker than they are. Must make you all feel superior. I think that's it, right?Greetings!
Yep. Some cases in the various contested states have been dismissed. More are being filed, and appealed.
Guess what happens when the Trump Campaign pushes these various cases--as well as Lin Wood, Sidney Powell, and other attorneys--to the United States Supreme Court?
Oh, yeah. All of the main contested states are overseen by SCOTUS Alito, Kavanaugh, Clarence Thomas, and other conservative justices.
First most are state issues and not federal issues and cannot go to the USSC. Second, the USSC will not intervene on a case which has no basis and is dismissed. It needs at least an appeal able error than an appeals court is willing to take up and they are not taking most up. Third the idea that conservatives on the Court will side with Trump purely from partisan bias is as absurd as liberals thinking the Court is partisan on everything as well. News alert: the Court isn't near as partisan as you think and there is no chance they will vote in favor of Trump on any of this shit. They won't even take the cases. Because they are extremely weak cases which do not add up to a change in the election result.QuoteSidney Powell, as I understand--has been an excellent Federal Prosecutor for many years. Yeah, Federal Prosecutors are known for being incompetent and crazy, right? Oh, that's right, Sidney Powell just spearheaded the case that blew the fucking lying Liberals to hell in their corrupt case against General Flynn. Remember the scandal? Just a few months ago, all the cock-sucking Liberals, the Democrats, the corrupt agents in the FBI, they were all fucking disgraced and covered in shit. Their attempts at crucifying General Flynn was entirely corrupt BS.
She's trying to cut book deals and get a show on a political commentary network. You are a sucker for falling for it. You will feel embarrassed in a few months for being such a sucker. You will deny it because you don't hold yourself accountable for your mistakes, but you will still feel embarrassed because you were such a sucker.
This is only going in one direction, and you are in denial. When it finally hits you this was all just bullshit and isn't going anywhere, you will bluster and bluff and try and save face. But the rest of us will have seen how you behaved through this, how out of touch with reality you were, and you will never fully recover your prior reputation because of that. Because we will all know you were such a fool during all this, who fell for the stupidest shit like he was fresh off the boat. And it will taint everything you write thereafter. You will no longer have the gravitas you once had. And that's a shame. But it's your own doing. Because you were just too stubborn to actually step back and assess when you knew you should.
--snipp--thanks! Good to know that one!
Some people only support officially approved conspiracy hypothesis like, in Happy Daze case, the Wuhan Covid 19 conspiracy hypothesis and do not approve other unpopular conspiracy hypothesis like Election corruption for example.
There are some posters here who only just managed to survive the Trump telling them to drink Bleach conspiracy hypothesis.
Greetings!
Yep. Some cases in the various contested states have been dismissed. More are being filed, and appealed.
Guess what happens when the Trump Campaign pushes these various cases--as well as Lin Wood, Sidney Powell, and other attorneys--to the United States Supreme Court?
Oh, yeah. All of the main contested states are overseen by SCOTUS Alito, Kavanaugh, Clarence Thomas, and other conservative justices.
First most are state issues and not federal issues and cannot go to the USSC. Second, the USSC will not intervene on a case which has no basis and is dismissed. It needs at least an appeal able error than an appeals court is willing to take up and they are not taking most up. Third the idea that conservatives on the Court will side with Trump purely from partisan bias is as absurd as liberals thinking the Court is partisan on everything as well. News alert: the Court isn't near as partisan as you think and there is no chance they will vote in favor of Trump on any of this shit. They won't even take the cases. Because they are extremely weak cases which do not add up to a change in the election result.QuoteSidney Powell, as I understand--has been an excellent Federal Prosecutor for many years. Yeah, Federal Prosecutors are known for being incompetent and crazy, right? Oh, that's right, Sidney Powell just spearheaded the case that blew the fucking lying Liberals to hell in their corrupt case against General Flynn. Remember the scandal? Just a few months ago, all the cock-sucking Liberals, the Democrats, the corrupt agents in the FBI, they were all fucking disgraced and covered in shit. Their attempts at crucifying General Flynn was entirely corrupt BS.
She's trying to cut book deals and get a show on a political commentary network. You are a sucker for falling for it. You will feel embarrassed in a few months for being such a sucker. You will deny it because you don't hold yourself accountable for your mistakes, but you will still feel embarrassed because you were such a sucker.
This is only going in one direction, and you are in denial. When it finally hits you this was all just bullshit and isn't going anywhere, you will bluster and bluff and try and save face. But the rest of us will have seen how you behaved through this, how out of touch with reality you were, and you will never fully recover your prior reputation because of that. Because we will all know you were such a fool during all this, who fell for the stupidest shit like he was fresh off the boat. And it will taint everything you write thereafter. You will no longer have the gravitas you once had. And that's a shame. But it's your own doing. Because you were just too stubborn to actually step back and assess when you knew you should.
I have to say, the revelations from the Pennsylvania case are hilarious. Almost 600,000 postal votes injected into the process in the small hours of the morning, 572,000 for Biden, 3,200 for Trump.
Nothing suspicious there at all. Nope, nothing to see here, move along.
Oh and the media seem to want people to think that boogalooers are "right wing". I have seen lots of leftists thinking this because the media keep saying it. They protested against the police after George Floyd died, and one of them has supported Hamas. Does that sound right wing to anyone?
Trump and allies have one out of (checking Marc E. Elias twitter) 39 cases. That one case invalidated a small number of ballots that were never included in the vote count. They talk a lot of fraud outside the courtroom but not in it, because they have no real evidence. Pennsylvania has already certified the presidential election result. So, yeah, nothing to see.
Trump and allies have one out of (checking Marc E. Elias twitter) 39 cases. That one case invalidated a small number of ballots that were never included in the vote count. They talk a lot of fraud outside the courtroom but not in it, because they have no real evidence. Pennsylvania has already certified the presidential election result. So, yeah, nothing to see.
Pennsylvania hasn't certified, they've been blocked from doing so.
Greetings!Not to crap on your day, Shark, but strictly speaking CNN and WaPo (aka the national laughingstock) both settled with Sandmann (which I guess is a win and a technical admission of error). I also wasn't aware the amount of the settlement had been made public, though unless Wood really is an incompetent hack, it was for no less than eight figures (and probably closer to nine).
Yep. Some cases in the various contested states have been dismissed. More are being filed, and appealed.
Guess what happens when the Trump Campaign pushes these various cases--as well as Lin Wood, Sidney Powell, and other attorneys--to the United States Supreme Court?
Oh, yeah. All of the main contested states are overseen by SCOTUS Alito, Kavanaugh, Clarence Thomas, and other conservative justices.
And you can keep the shrieking nonsense about Lin Wood or Sidney Powell being crazy. Attorney Lin Wood just got done winning the Sandman case against CNN and the Washington Post for 250 MILLION dollars, with more to come. Oh yeah, the Sandman case, where the cock-sucking Liberals tried to fabricate, lie, and deceive the American public, again. Sidney Powell, as I understand--has been an excellent Federal Prosecutor for many years. Yeah, Federal Prosecutors are known for being incompetent and crazy, right? Oh, that's right, Sidney Powell just spearheaded the case that blew the fucking lying Liberals to hell in their corrupt case against General Flynn. Remember the scandal? Just a few months ago, all the cock-sucking Liberals, the Democrats, the corrupt agents in the FBI, they were all fucking disgraced and covered in shit. Their attempts at crucifying General Flynn was entirely corrupt BS.
So, the future developments should be interesting!
Semper Fidelis,
SHARK
$275 and $250 million are the amounts he sued CNN and The Washington Post for, not the actual amount of the settlements. Which haven't been made public, though apparently the CNN settlement would have been publicly released, if not for COVID-19. (Sandmann was a minor and couldn't claim the money without the approval of county court, which would have resulted in the amount being listed in court documents. Except the court was delayed by the pandemic until after he turned 18, so it became moot.)And you can keep the shrieking nonsense about Lin Wood or Sidney Powell being crazy. Attorney Lin Wood just got done winning the Sandman case against CNN and the Washington Post for 250 MILLION dollars, with more to come. Oh yeah, the Sandman case, where the cock-sucking Liberals tried to fabricate, lie, and deceive the American public, again.Not to crap on your day, Shark, but strictly speaking CNN and WaPo (aka the national laughingstock) both settled with Sandmann (which I guess is a win and a technical admission of error). I also wasn't aware the amount of the settlement had been made public, though unless Wood really is an incompetent hack, it was for no less than eight figures (and probably closer to nine).
There are still four lawsuits for Sandmann in play, with the media organs desperately trying to delay, delay, delay so they can avoid discovery.
Your turn to provide some actual evidence.
Trump and allies have one out of (checking Marc E. Elias twitter) 39 cases. That one case invalidated a small number of ballots that were never included in the vote count. They talk a lot of fraud outside the courtroom but not in it, because they have no real evidence. Pennsylvania has already certified the presidential election result. So, yeah, nothing to see.
Pennsylvania hasn't certified, they've been blocked from doing so.
Your turn to provide some actual evidence.
From your own articles (and I notice how hard they try to make them sound right-wing, while failing all the same)
"two other Boogaloo members were arrested and charged with providing material support to Hamas. "
"While “boogaloo” supporters showed up to George Floyd protests saying they wanted to stand in solidarity with Black Lives Matter protesters against police violence, some also described going to protests to “defend businesses – including big national corporations – against looters and destruction”.
Yeah, sure, that rally sounds like your typical American Right doesn't it. :D
But my point is, if you think the majority of of the violence was caused by the right, you aren't really paying attention.
But extremism experts agree that “boogaloo” ideology overall is, in fact, rightwing.Even without this, it would be surprising if actual lefties who oppose the US government would join a movement that is constantly described as right wing in the media. They are from the right, incoherent as their political views and actions may be, and your arguments otherwise are pathetic. I understand why you want to disown them, given your own political leaning; your dishonest arguments are also typically right wing.
How do they know? For one, they look at images of the “boogaloo” flag, which is sometimes emblazoned with the names of rightwing anti-government martyrs, including Americans killed in infamous standoffs with the police at Ruby Ridge in 1992 and during the occupation of the Malheur national wildlife refuge in 2016.
Greetings!
Yep. Some cases in the various contested states have been dismissed. More are being filed, and appealed.
Guess what happens when the Trump Campaign pushes these various cases--as well as Lin Wood, Sidney Powell, and other attorneys--to the United States Supreme Court?
Oh, yeah. All of the main contested states are overseen by SCOTUS Alito, Kavanaugh, Clarence Thomas, and other conservative justices.
First most are state issues and not federal issues and cannot go to the USSC. Second, the USSC will not intervene on a case which has no basis and is dismissed. It needs at least an appeal able error than an appeals court is willing to take up and they are not taking most up. Third the idea that conservatives on the Court will side with Trump purely from partisan bias is as absurd as liberals thinking the Court is partisan on everything as well. News alert: the Court isn't near as partisan as you think and there is no chance they will vote in favor of Trump on any of this shit. They won't even take the cases. Because they are extremely weak cases which do not add up to a change in the election result.QuoteSidney Powell, as I understand--has been an excellent Federal Prosecutor for many years. Yeah, Federal Prosecutors are known for being incompetent and crazy, right? Oh, that's right, Sidney Powell just spearheaded the case that blew the fucking lying Liberals to hell in their corrupt case against General Flynn. Remember the scandal? Just a few months ago, all the cock-sucking Liberals, the Democrats, the corrupt agents in the FBI, they were all fucking disgraced and covered in shit. Their attempts at crucifying General Flynn was entirely corrupt BS.
She's trying to cut book deals and get a show on a political commentary network. You are a sucker for falling for it. You will feel embarrassed in a few months for being such a sucker. You will deny it because you don't hold yourself accountable for your mistakes, but you will still feel embarrassed because you were such a sucker.
This is only going in one direction, and you are in denial. When it finally hits you this was all just bullshit and isn't going anywhere, you will bluster and bluff and try and save face. But the rest of us will have seen how you behaved through this, how out of touch with reality you were, and you will never fully recover your prior reputation because of that. Because we will all know you were such a fool during all this, who fell for the stupidest shit like he was fresh off the boat. And it will taint everything you write thereafter. You will no longer have the gravitas you once had. And that's a shame. But it's your own doing. Because you were just too stubborn to actually step back and assess when you knew you should.
Greetings!
Well, Sidney Powell is the lawyer. She will argue her case, as will other attorneys involved. I'm not a lawyer, and never claimed to be one. I am able, however, to comment on the political and legal developments as I see fit. It seems quite obvious to me that a range of fraud and corruption has gone on during this election. You may choose to ignore such, or deny it, though I have no confidence or faith whatsoever in the Democrat Party. The Democrat Party has engaged in a constant litany of lies, fraud, corruption, and disgraceful propaganda since the beginning of President Donald Trump's term in office. Therefore, I am not surprised in the slightest that the Democrat Party would seek to win the 2020 Presidential Election through efforts of deception, fraud, and corruption. Indeed, I am angry and have been passionate in my commentary about the implications for our Republic, and the future genuine political freedom of our country, seeing that Marxists have gained unprecedented power and influence within the Democrat Party, various echelons within government agency bureaucracies, and the increasingly authoritarianism of the Big Tech corporations. In my mind, these political dynamics are in motion and gaining in strength and power, regardless of whatever happens with the judicial and legislative proceedings and efforts pursued by President Trump and his Campaign.
Furthermore, I have always supported President Trump. I am proudly *Conservative* and a patriot. I don't support or approve of Biden and Kamala as government leaders, let alone them serving at the highest positions of political leadership in this country. The entire ideology and political goals of the Marxist Democrats is entirely oppositional to everything that I believe in and value. Politically, economically, socially, religiously, I think the Marxist Democrats are wrong in virtually every way, on everything. Marxist Democrats are poisonous and hateful to our Republic and our great nation, and our noble heritage, passed down to us by our courageous forefathers.
I have no regrets, and make no apologies.
Semper Fidelis,
SHARK
Your turn to provide some actual evidence.
From your own articles (and I notice how hard they try to make them sound right-wing, while failing all the same)
"two other Boogaloo members were arrested and charged with providing material support to Hamas. "
"While “boogaloo” supporters showed up to George Floyd protests saying they wanted to stand in solidarity with Black Lives Matter protesters against police violence, some also described going to protests to “defend businesses – including big national corporations – against looters and destruction”.
Yeah, sure, that rally sounds like your typical American Right doesn't it. :D
But my point is, if you think the majority of of the violence was caused by the right, you aren't really paying attention.
Two Hamas sympathizers! (Coincidentally the same number of law enforcement one of them murdered in the vicinity of a BLM protest in an attempt to blame those protesters.) Their sympathy with Hamas was opposition to the US government, and given the "deep state" fantasies on the right, that tracks well with being right wing (and Biden now as President-elect just reinforces that association of the US government with the left).
You also conveniently ignore their reverence for right-wing martyrs.QuoteBut extremism experts agree that “boogaloo” ideology overall is, in fact, rightwing.Even without this, it would be surprising if actual lefties who oppose the US government would join a movement that is constantly described as right wing in the media. They are from the right, incoherent as their political views and actions may be, and your arguments otherwise are pathetic. I understand why you want to disown them, given your own political leaning; your dishonest arguments are also typically right wing.
How do they know? For one, they look at images of the “boogaloo” flag, which is sometimes emblazoned with the names of rightwing anti-government martyrs, including Americans killed in infamous standoffs with the police at Ruby Ridge in 1992 and during the occupation of the Malheur national wildlife refuge in 2016.
But you weren't supposed to actually believe him
But you weren't supposed to actually believe him
Why they are so emotionally invested in the average american individually capitulating until the process play out. You were supposed to believe that the bigger portion of the party turned back to the Bush-GOP!
But you weren't supposed to actually believe him
Why they are so emotionally invested in the average american individually capitulating until the process play out. You were supposed to believe that the bigger portion of the party turned back to the Bush-GOP!
The process did play out. The votes are certified (or at least enough to know for certain we have a winner, as those still in question are not enough electoral votes to change the result). The court cases are being dismissed. Republicans, ones Trump supported and trusted, are saying it's done and he did lose. The fat lady sung. We've crossed the point where it's sore loser territory. We all understood what sore loser territory looked like with Gore, and again with Clinton. Suddenly we've forgotten what this looks like? Have some fucking principals and be a man. Are you the kind of guy who, when he loses a game of pool, breaks the pool cue, throws some balls, and stomps out claiming the table was rigged?
Two Hamas sympathizers! (Coincidentally the same number of law enforcement one of them murdered in the vicinity of a BLM protest in an attempt to blame those protesters.) Their sympathy with Hamas was opposition to the US government, and given the "deep state" fantasies on the right, that tracks well with being right wing (and Biden now as President-elect just reinforces that association of the US government with the left).
You also conveniently ignore their reverence for right-wing martyrs.QuoteBut extremism experts agree that “boogaloo” ideology overall is, in fact, rightwing.Even without this, it would be surprising if actual lefties who oppose the US government would join a movement that is constantly described as right wing in the media. They are from the right, incoherent as their political views and actions may be, and your arguments otherwise are pathetic. I understand why you want to disown them, given your own political leaning; your dishonest arguments are also typically right wing.
How do they know? For one, they look at images of the “boogaloo” flag, which is sometimes emblazoned with the names of rightwing anti-government martyrs, including Americans killed in infamous standoffs with the police at Ruby Ridge in 1992 and during the occupation of the Malheur national wildlife refuge in 2016.
So you agree that it’s two now, not one. Good. Remember you complaining complaining about reading skills? How about knowing what it is you yourself are posting for starters? :D
No, supporting Hamas and BLM isn’t right wing, no matter how desperate the media is trying to spin it. Either way, the main troublemakers aren’t Boogaloo, nor Proud Boys. It’s Antifa and BLM.
This is the written opinion of the judge for the US District Court in Pennsylvania. (https://www.pamd.uscourts.gov/sites/pamd/files/20-2078_202.pdf)Remember, according the right-wing(?) extremists that REEEE! around these parts, being conservative, Republican, or any of that means nothing the moment they take a stand against the extremists' nonsense. At that moment, they are SJWs to these morons.
He's conservative, and republican. He's a prominent member of the Federalist society. He was a Republican Party official in Pennsylvania for many years. He is an active National Rifle Association member. He was appointed on the recommendation of Republican Senator Pat Toomey.
He ruled against Trump in Pennsylvania. The opinion is worth reading. It expresses, in some ways, why I am so frustrated with some folks on this forum in this thread.
This is the written opinion of the judge for the US District Court in Pennsylvania. (https://www.pamd.uscourts.gov/sites/pamd/files/20-2078_202.pdf)
He's conservative, and republican. He's a prominent member of the Federalist society. He was a Republican Party official in Pennsylvania for many years. He is an active National Rifle Association member. He was appointed on the recommendation of Republican Senator Pat Toomey.
He ruled against Trump in Pennsylvania. The opinion is worth reading. It expresses, in some ways, why I am so frustrated with some folks on this forum in this thread.
In terms of the Trump Campaign: they don't have standing: they represent his desire to be re-elected. Him NOT being re-elected by the voters of Pennsylvania isn't an injury, it's the result of a political process and hence they have no standing.Doesn't that contradict Bush v. Gore? More generally, denying the right to seek a remedy in the courts when there's unequal treatment, fraud, or whatever in an election sounds horrific because it would greenlight all kinds of abuses. I see it as equivalent to the exclusion rule. It isn't fair to the victims when you throw out evidence because the cops didn't follow the rules, but if you don't have the rule, then it encourages cops to cheat, which not only throws a spanner in the works of the justice process, but it causes people to lose faith in the system itself. It's a necessary remedy.
In terms of the Trump Campaign: they don't have standing: they represent his desire to be re-elected. Him NOT being re-elected by the voters of Pennsylvania isn't an injury, it's the result of a political process and hence they have no standing.Doesn't that contradict Bush v. Gore? More generally, denying the right to seek a remedy in the courts when there's unequal treatment, fraud, or whatever in an election sounds horrific because it would greenlight all kinds of abuses. I see it as equivalent to the exclusion rule. It isn't fair to the victims when you throw out evidence because the cops didn't follow the rules, but if you don't have the rule, then it encourages cops to cheat, which not only throws a spanner in the works of the justice process, but it causes people to lose faith in the system itself. It's a necessary remedy.
It’s more that the remedy they asked for was out of proportion to their injury.Treating it like a personal injury is the problem, because that's not the heart of the issue. Fundamentally, it's about the integrity of the process. Which is why I likened it to the exclusion principle, which exists not to be fair to one of the parties, but to get rid of a malign incentive that corrupts the system.
Getting their vote counted heals their injury.
Denying others (every voter who voted in PA) their vote doesn’t remedy their injury, it just leaves everyone else fucked over.
Doesn't that contradict Bush v. Gore? More generally, denying the right to seek a remedy in the courts when there's unequal treatment, fraud, or whatever in an election sounds horrific because it would greenlight all kinds of abuses. I see it as equivalent to the exclusion rule. It isn't fair to the victims when you throw out evidence because the cops didn't follow the rules, but if you don't have the rule, then it encourages cops to cheat, which not only throws a spanner in the works of the justice process, but it causes people to lose faith in the system itself. It's a necessary remedy.
It’s more that the remedy they asked for was out of proportion to their injury.Treating it like a personal injury is the problem, because that's not the heart of the issue. Fundamentally, it's about the integrity of the process. Which is why I likened it to the exclusion principle, which exists not to be fair to one of the parties, but to get rid of a malign incentive that corrupts the system.
Getting their vote counted heals their injury.
Denying others (every voter who voted in PA) their vote doesn’t remedy their injury, it just leaves everyone else fucked over.
To make sure I'm discussing this in the right context, my understanding of the exclusion principle is that if the police gather evidence illegally, that that evidence cannot to be used against a defendant in a court of law e.g. if the police search my house without a search warrant, immediate probable cause or my permission, they can't use the bloody knife and clothes in a black plastic garbage bag under my bed as evidence that I murdered the nice old lady down the street (actual case from the 90s, I forget the exact details).I find your discussions interesting, but while I did reference a case and a legal principle, I'm not really coming at this from a legal standpoint, nor am I particularly concerned with the merits of this specific case. Rather, I'm coming at it from a systemic standpoint. If we want to discourage voting fraud, or inequitable treatment, or regulatory overreach, or any of the other situations that have come up since the start of November, then we need something like the exclusionary rule for elections.
Man, those churches and synagogues should have conceded after the lower level courts ruled against them in very unambiguous language on the covid issue.
Is an accusation enough or does there need to be a judicial finding? Even the exclusionary rule needs more than just an accusation here.Of course there needs to be judicial finding. That's a bizarre question. A truly bizarre question. Nothing I can think of happens solely on the basis of an accusation. That you're even asking the question suggests you're missing the point, entirely.
Is there a matter of scale or is it an absolute: any issues, all votes get thrown out?On the matter of scale, that's another bizarre question. There is always going to some degree of judgment involved, and they'd have to set standards. The best solutions will have to be worked out, I'm not familiar enough with the relevant standards to concretely spell out what they should do.
If it’s the later, I know people both left and right who absolutely would concoct a scheme that’s almost impossible to detect, wait till after the election is held and then walk into their local police station and loudly confess to completely invalidate the local city, council or state vote.
The fundamental reason that the exclusionary principle works to discourage systemic issues is that it gets applied on a case by case basis and if a department systematically violates it, they achieve nothing.
Lastly, the real reason that your idea strikes as, frankly, horrible, is that you’re applying collective punishment for what are individual crimes and/or mistakes.
American justice is built, in theory at least, on a basis of individual responsibility and punishment or restitution.
I can think of nothing that would erode societal stability in all areas of the USA quicker than allowing a small number of people by either malice, incompetence or pure human error, to remove the ability of honestly, legally cast votes from Americans of all political stripes to influence their future.
Man, those churches and synagogues should have conceded after the lower level courts ruled against them in very unambiguous language on the covid issue.
There argument that the New York City restrictions were unconstitutional has more basis in American jurisprudence than the case I was discussing above.
Again I’m not a lawyer and that’s just my opinion.
This guy (https://cybersummitusa.com/2017/06/navid-nia/), previously lauded by the NYT and possessing world-class expertise and credentials, states:Where is the rest of his statement? I'd like to read over the parts that lead him to his conclusion.
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This guy (https://cybersummitusa.com/2017/06/navid-nia/), previously lauded by the NYT and possessing world-class expertise and credentials, states:Where is the rest of his statement? I'd like to read over the parts that lead him to his conclusion.
(https://i.imgur.com/4vBri39.png)
https://www.legis.state.pa.us/cfdocs/Legis/CSM/showMemoPublic.cfm?chamber=H&SPick=20190&cosponId=32628&mobile_choice=suppress
It will be interesting to see what comes of this when it is introduced as a resolution as opposed to a memo stating it will be shortly filed as a resolution.
Apparently some experts don't agree with Mistwell that it's all over and we should just shut up at risk of being reckoned with :(
https://www.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.mied.350905/gov.uscourts.mied.350905.1.19.pdf
https://www.marklevinshow.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/301/2020/11/Memorandum-Opinion-Filed.pdf
Thank you for the interesting read. He has a lot of conclusions for how it could have happened but he doesn't have proof it did. Still, it does show some areas that investigators should at least seek to explore (although some of the paths supposedly leave no traces, so...).This guy (https://cybersummitusa.com/2017/06/navid-nia/), previously lauded by the NYT and possessing world-class expertise and credentials, states:Where is the rest of his statement? I'd like to read over the parts that lead him to his conclusion.
(https://i.imgur.com/4vBri39.png)
https://www.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.mied.350905/gov.uscourts.mied.350905.1.19.pdf
https://www.marklevinshow.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/301/2020/11/Memorandum-Opinion-Filed.pdfInteresting... I'd think that there would have been challenges made to Act 77 before accepting any ballots for the election (much less before accepting the results of the election). Waiting until people have already cast their mail-in votes and then deciding it is time to declare it unconstitutional doesn't seem right ("it's a trap").
OK, that follows. I would like to see a little more on this piece, if you have links.https://www.marklevinshow.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/301/2020/11/Memorandum-Opinion-Filed.pdf
The Pennsylvania Supreme Court (final arbiter of Pennsylvania state law) has already stayed McCullough's order. It's pretty obvious that complaints about the constitutionality of Act 77 should have been brought in the year between it being passed in 2019 and the November 2020 election. Any lawyers willing to explain laches to us?
Probably nothing will come of it; the governor vetoes it if it actually tries to change any law, most likely. Their complaint is that some voters were disenfranchised and their solution is to disenfranchise everybody. But if the results of the 2020 Pennsylvania election are set aside then there are no members of the Pennsylvania House of Representatives as of 11/30 when their terms expire. That could be very entertaining.
The Insurrection Act thing is way more likely than flipping three states with this kind of disreputable shenanigans. The Pennsylvania courts have turned away most of this crap already.
https://www.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.mied.350905/gov.uscourts.mied.350905.1.19.pdf
He believes that nefarious things were done but didn't directly observe them or evidence of them. He doesn't share the statistical evidence (which jhkim keeps asking for in other similar assertions) that seems to be the sole basis for his opinion. I assume those will be tried in the eventual court hearings.
Interestingly enough, there's a web page about blockchains that has explanations from "Dr. Navid Keshavarz-Nia, SVP of Information Security for Deutsche Bank". Hmm. Reportedly the last bank willing to lend money to Donald Trump, fined in 2017 for money laundering Russian money, and maybe holding a lot of that $400 million of Trump debt that he probably won't be able to pay post-presidency. Hmm. Maybe it's a different Dr. Navid Keshavarz-Nia, maybe it's a long past association, maybe it's just wrong or innocent, but you know that Trumpies would be chanting "Lock him up!" on a lot less - they're accusing Hugo Chavez who died in 2013 of rigging this election.
https://www.marklevinshow.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/301/2020/11/Memorandum-Opinion-Filed.pdf
The Pennsylvania Supreme Court (final arbiter of Pennsylvania state law) has already stayed McCullough's order. It's pretty obvious that complaints about the constitutionality of Act 77 should have been brought in the year between it being passed in 2019 and the November 2020 election. Any lawyers willing to explain laches to us?
Thank you for the interesting read. He has a lot of conclusions for how it could have happened but he doesn't have proof it did. Still, it does show some areas that investigators should at least seek to explore (although some of the paths supposedly leave no traces, so...).This guy (https://cybersummitusa.com/2017/06/navid-nia/), previously lauded by the NYT and possessing world-class expertise and credentials, states:Where is the rest of his statement? I'd like to read over the parts that lead him to his conclusion.
(https://i.imgur.com/4vBri39.png)
https://www.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.mied.350905/gov.uscourts.mied.350905.1.19.pdf
How are you defining "proof" in this instance? There are counter-arguments that the election was entirely clean that can pass the same standards of "proof" as this one. Just because something could have happened does not mean that it happened or that it was even likely to have happened. I am trying to find someone that presents a reasonable theory (as this one did) along with evidence that it did happen, not merely opinions and speculation that it could have happened. If further investigation into these claims provides hard evidence that the actions speculated did occur, then I would view it quite differently.Thank you for the interesting read. He has a lot of conclusions for how it could have happened but he doesn't have proof it did. Still, it does show some areas that investigators should at least seek to explore (although some of the paths supposedly leave no traces, so...).This guy (https://cybersummitusa.com/2017/06/navid-nia/), previously lauded by the NYT and possessing world-class expertise and credentials, states:Where is the rest of his statement? I'd like to read over the parts that lead him to his conclusion.
(https://i.imgur.com/4vBri39.png)
https://www.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.mied.350905/gov.uscourts.mied.350905.1.19.pdf
I think many people (in addition to not understanding how rich people make their taxes) don't understand what "proof" is, when it is needed, and the standard behind how judges make their decisions. No one is on trial for murder here.
I am defining what could cause a judge to invalidate an election as the same thing that have caused judges to invalidate elections previously - no smoking gun needed, just a lot of circumstantial evidence reasonably pointing towards an unclean election.Consider that we had a lot of circumstantial evidence reasonably pointing towards an unclean President too, or at least his 2016 election, but what was lacking was proof. Let it be investigated, sure, but much as with 2016, you don't stop everything going forward because of suspicion.
There's already election-not-clean redundancy in the constitution.
I am defining what could cause a judge to invalidate an election as the same thing that have caused judges to invalidate elections previously - no smoking gun needed, just a lot of circumstantial evidence reasonably pointing towards an unclean election.
There's already election-not-clean redundancy in the constitution.
The dissenting judge agreed that there might be merit to their claim and that it would need to be reviewed but NOT at the expense of invalidating nearly seven million votes.
The Pennsylvania Supreme Court has weighed in on the lawsuit about mail in voting constitutionality.So, as usual, SHARK's video clips are outdated and wrong within minutes of posting them. It's almost like he's intentionally spreading disinformation and propaganda. OK, forget the almost.
It was dismissed. With prejudice.
There were three opinions.
Two concurring and one that both concurred and dissented.
The concurrence thusly all agreed on was that the plaintiffs should have made their claims before the election and that doing so after the vote went against them would be a violation of the right of Pennsylvania voters who acted with good faith in voting by mail.
The dissenting judge agreed that there might be merit to their claim and that it would need to be reviewed but NOT at the expense of invalidating nearly seven million votes.
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Greetings!
The God Emperor shall return to the throne!
Fucking Democrats are Reeing SALTY TEARS!!!!
Semper Fidelis,
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Not suckers, just willing to fight for something until its over and possibly even after.
A mindset a RINO can never understand.
It's believing these YouTube videos as your "evidence" from random dudes making vids for clicks. That is what makes you a sucker.I've been saying this for weeks. Craptastic sources are going to give you crap information. Commentary videos on primary sources are not what you should be linking to; link instead to the primary sources. That way the information is presented raw rather than hyped and bent into idiotic propaganda.
Be wiser.
Greetings!
The "game" of political football can, and sometimes does, change quickly. That doesn't have anything to do with me.
Beyond that fact, yeah, I don't give up. I won't shut up, or go away. I don't want fucking Marxists to take over America. I don't want our election integrity to be corrupted with fraud. I want righteousness and truth and patriotism to prevail, and I want to see the guilty fucking hang. The Big Tech companies have engaged in fraud, tyranny, and censorship. The MSM is a circle-jerk of corrupt, Marxist-globalists, who are engaged in fraud, deception, and propaganda. The Democrat Party, likewise, are a bunch of jello-minded, Marxist-Globalist slugs. But some morons in this country seem to be derp-derp fucking happy with all that, and want to patronizingly and condescendingly berate the rest of America to sit down, shut up, and pay no attention to the shit-train BS, there's no fraud going on here, move on!
When I can see with my own eyes, and common sense, that from election night to now, there's been a huge cluster-fuck of BS corruption pulled by the Democrats.
Oh, that's right. We are supposed to believe any goddamned thing the MSM or the Democrat Party says? After four years of whining, corruption, lying and fraud from all of these cock-sucking bastards? Impeachment, Ukraine, "Russia! Russia! Russia!", the naked corruption of the FBI and CIA, and on and fucking on. Really?
I don't fucking think so!
The fight must go on, no matter what. The traitors, the Marxists, the fucking RINOS, all of the scum needs to have a reckoning. Make lists indeed! They all need to be on a list for damned sure!
Semper Fidelis,
SHARK
Greetings!It's nice to see you pushing back against the narrative, SHARK.
I didn't "fuck up" a damn thing at all, Mistwell, not today, nor several days ago. I posted various videos for news of current events, discussion, and entertainment.
Semper Fidelis,
SHARK
The Big Tech companies have engaged in fraud, tyranny, and censorship. The MSM is a circle-jerk of corrupt, Marxist-globalists, who are engaged in fraud, deception, and propaganda.
So-called 'scholars' like to downplay the effects of 'yellow journalism' in the lead up to the Spanish American War, but you know, it sure as hell didn't help to have Hearst saying 'you provide the pictures, and I'll provide the war'. I think that was the media's first taste of becoming not just a 'reporter' of news, but a shaper of it.The Big Tech companies have engaged in fraud, tyranny, and censorship. The MSM is a circle-jerk of corrupt, Marxist-globalists, who are engaged in fraud, deception, and propaganda.
I can hardly believe just how far the media were willing to go in their support of the left. I seriously think they have blood on their hands, particularly the way they handled the George Floyd riots. First, they make sure that not all the pertinent info about his death is seen. Then they keep fanning the flames with articles like “these other black people also said they could not breathe while interacting with police” no matter the context or consequences (while ignoring white people who died much the same way). And they wonder why people don’t trust them anymore.
So-called 'scholars' like to downplay the effects of 'yellow journalism' in the lead up to the Spanish American War, but you know, it sure as hell didn't help to have Hearst saying 'you provide the pictures, and I'll provide the war'. I think that was the media's first taste of becoming not just a 'reporter' of news, but a shaper of it.The Big Tech companies have engaged in fraud, tyranny, and censorship. The MSM is a circle-jerk of corrupt, Marxist-globalists, who are engaged in fraud, deception, and propaganda.
I can hardly believe just how far the media were willing to go in their support of the left. I seriously think they have blood on their hands, particularly the way they handled the George Floyd riots. First, they make sure that not all the pertinent info about his death is seen. Then they keep fanning the flames with articles like “these other black people also said they could not breathe while interacting with police” no matter the context or consequences (while ignoring white people who died much the same way). And they wonder why people don’t trust them anymore.
And it didn't have to be just 'shaping' a narrative. The New York Times really hates to be reminded that they still retain the Pulitzer that Walter Duranty won -- a Pulitzer which was given for stories which covered up the Holodomor. If someone with a scrap of integrity ever takes over the Times, they should return that Pulitzer and ask for Duranty to be stricken from the rolls.
So yeah, this has been a long time coming, and while the blatant nature of it is kind of surprising, overall it's not much of a surprise at all.
LOL
Jesus. You guys seriously are such suckers! Oh yes, the "expected" the state Supreme Court to unanimously agree they had no case. Uh huh!
Sadly, I don't think there's enough momentum to kick over the traces and demand new elections, even though the statistics and circumstantial evidence are so appalling there are probably third world countries snickering at us. We will probably get lucky with Georgia's senate runoffs which will stymie Biden, especially since the Dems managed to lose a shitload of House seats. Pelosi's hanging on by her fingernails there.
If the retard patrol in the House, aka 'The Squad' manages to irritate enough people, the midterms will hit Sleepy Joe and Kamala-Ho in the face like a brick.
The dissenting judge agreed that there might be merit to their claim and that it would need to be reviewed but NOT at the expense of invalidating nearly seven million votes.
Any American should be frightened by the prospect of judges settings aside the will of the electorate and choosing a preferred candidate.
Any American should be frightened by the prospect of judges settings aside the will of the electorate and choosing a preferred candidate.Fair enough, but here's the problem: what do you do with the 75-plus million who feel like they've been disenfranchised by chicanery?
The lawsuits to this point have not actually made the case that there is provable fraud, and certainly not on a wide-enough scale to reverse the election. It was interesting that the recount in Wisconsin widened Biden's league.
It shouldn't be surprising to anyone that 80 million American's wanted to move away from Trump. Nor is it surprising that 74 million people SUPPORT Trump (though I'm a little surprised that so many decided to show up to the polls - many of them are not high-propensity voters).
The fact is, if fraud is alleged, it could go both ways. The fact of the matter is that Trump did better in some places that people didn't think he would. But widespread, organized fraud in multiple states (including those with the voting apparatus overseen by Republicans like GA, AZ and PA) seems an outlandish claim.
Regarding the 2016 election, I don't know any Democrats that thought Trump stole the election. I think there was a perception that Clinton was guaranteed to win, and I think that just enough people were fooled by that and decided to vote 3rd party or otherwise issue a protest vote that it decided the election in Trump's favor. Nothing about the result of the 2020 election seems particularly strange or inexplicable to me. Urban voters voted for Democrats by huge margins; Rural voters voted for Republicans by huge margins; the suburbs were the battleground that everyone expected them to be.
Any American should be frightened by the prospect of judges settings aside the will of the electorate and choosing a preferred candidate.Any American should be absolutely terrified at the idea of systemic voting irregularities making their votes worthless, and strongly support judicial review, up to and including throwing out all votes that do not meet a high standard of authenticity. If the results of an election are overturned, then they were false results, and simply can't be allowed to stand. If any voters end up disenfranchised, it's their own fault, because they're the ones who voted for the public officials running the electoral systems. The people are ultimately responsible and accountable for their own franchise.
Probably nothing will come of it; the governor vetoes it if it actually tries to change any law, most likely. Their complaint is that some voters were disenfranchised and their solution is to disenfranchise everybody. But if the results of the 2020 Pennsylvania election are set aside then there are no members of the Pennsylvania House of Representatives as of 11/30 when their terms expire. That could be very entertaining.
The Insurrection Act thing is way more likely than flipping three states with this kind of disreputable shenanigans. The Pennsylvania courts have turned away most of this crap already.
I don't believe the law requires any changes; their point being that the election wasn't handled according to the law/constitution.
https://www.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.mied.350905/gov.uscourts.mied.350905.1.19.pdf
He believes that nefarious things were done but didn't directly observe them or evidence of them. He doesn't share the statistical evidence (which jhkim keeps asking for in other similar assertions) that seems to be the sole basis for his opinion. I assume those will be tried in the eventual court hearings.
Interestingly enough, there's a web page about blockchains that has explanations from "Dr. Navid Keshavarz-Nia, SVP of Information Security for Deutsche Bank". Hmm. Reportedly the last bank willing to lend money to Donald Trump, fined in 2017 for money laundering Russian money, and maybe holding a lot of that $400 million of Trump debt that he probably won't be able to pay post-presidency. Hmm. Maybe it's a different Dr. Navid Keshavarz-Nia, maybe it's a long past association, maybe it's just wrong or innocent, but you know that Trumpies would be chanting "Lock him up!" on a lot less - they're accusing Hugo Chavez who died in 2013 of rigging this election.
It's because you don't understand how rich people make money (including when $400M in debt is unusual and when it is not) that rich people will continue to legally pay less taxes than you do.
https://www.marklevinshow.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/301/2020/11/Memorandum-Opinion-Filed.pdf
The Pennsylvania Supreme Court (final arbiter of Pennsylvania state law) has already stayed McCullough's order. It's pretty obvious that complaints about the constitutionality of Act 77 should have been brought in the year between it being passed in 2019 and the November 2020 election. Any lawyers willing to explain laches to us?
There is no time limit on determining a law is out of constitutional order
I would like to see a little more on this piece, if you have links.
I am defining what could cause a judge to invalidate an election as the same thing that have caused judges to invalidate elections previously - no smoking gun needed, just a lot of circumstantial evidence reasonably pointing towards an unclean election.
There's already election-not-clean redundancy in the constitution.
Do you know of any other elections that were invalidated in court by just circumstantial evidence? The only election overturned in recent decades I know of is the 1998 Miami mayoral election, and that had tons of direct evidence -- I read that there were 60 witnesses who attested to tampering. And that's for an extremely close mayoral contest, where the initial election had a difference of just 155 votes. For a national election by tens or hundreds of thousands of votes, I think the bar is higher.
I agree that the courts should decide about allegations of fraud. I don't know the legal precedent in detail, but I think would that proof is needed.
Outside of that, I think that proof ought to be available. In most cases in other countries of rigged elections, they're rigged by the ruling party, usually by changing the election process. In these cases, the fraud can be deeply embedded -- but even so, regularly other countries can identify whether the elections were rigged or not. Trying to overturn the ruling party is more likely to turn out like Miami 1997.
Any American should be absolutely terrified at the idea of systemic voting irregularities making their votes worthless
Wow, are you going to be fucking pissed when this election gets overturned!Any American should be absolutely terrified at the idea of systemic voting irregularities making their votes worthless
States systematically disenfranchising voters was why our elected representatives enacted and renewed the Voting Rights Act. Pity that activist judges decided to substitute their judgement on the matter.
Looks like Wisconsin will certify its vote tomorrow. As expected in a fair election, the hand recount resulted in only a small shift in votes, and not consistently favoring one candidate in the two counties that were requested to recount (remember, selective recounts were the most evil thing ever when Al Gore requested them in Florida in 2000).
Every day it's like a new win for my preferred candidate, Joseph R. Biden of Delaware! Congratulations again to him as President-elect and to Kamala Harris as Vice-President-elect!
Remember HOW TO PLAY THE GAME: When they ask for proof, they always say 'That's NOT proof!', when they ask for statistics, they say 'Anyone can spew out NUMBERS!', when you appeal to their reason, they use emotions - when you appeal using emotions, they switch to reason.
Questions: Why do they hate you? Why do they wish to abuse your children? Why do they wish to MURDER all who oppose them but scream FORGIVE ME when caught??
Answer: Because they are LIARS, CHEATS, THIEVES, MURDERERS, AND ABUSERS. They are merely telling you: THINK LIKE WE TELL YOU, SHUT UP LIKE WE TELL YOU, AND GIVE US WHAT WE WANT - NO MORE TALK, NO MORE COMPROMISE, BECAUSE YOU'RE WEAK! BECAUSE YOU'RE ANIMALS!
Response: Fuck you. You're right - talk is cheap and is over. Enjoy the abuse and death you wished upon others. It is coming, and even though I myself will NOT survive it, I am comforted in knowing that neither will all of you!
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https://www.investmentwatchblog.com/global-debt-approaching-280-trillion-by-year-end/
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2020/11/breaking-exclusive-thousands-fake-votes-found-wisconsin-recount-dane-county-photos-report-gop-observer/
https://www.theepochtimes.com/new-lawsuit-asks-wisconsin-supreme-court-to-declare-all-drop-box-ballots-illegal-and-block-certification_3596676.html
https://uncoverdc.com/2020/11/28/case-dismissed-analysis-of-decision-in-pennsylvanias-parnell-case/
https://twitter.com/SenMastriano/status/1332398733401591808
https://twitter.com/rising_serpent/status/1332563664029806599
https://twitter.com/MattBraynard/status/1333042159981912067
https://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2020/11/its_in_the_code_hankypanky_in_virginias_votes.html
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2020/11/breaking-update-judge-timothy-batten-issues-order-freeze-dominion-machines-georgia/
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2020/11/saturdays-fun-fraud-facts-seven-unexplainable-results-reveal-democrats-didnt-even-try-hide-fraud/
https://twitter.com/SidneyPowell1/status/1332956647921053697
https://twitter.com/Rasmussen_Poll/status/1333113548281683977
https://twitter.com/JennaEllisEsq/status/1332552383470112768
BIDEN IS NOT the president elect??
https://twitter.com/RealCandaceO/status/1332711089604321286
Huh. Must be some kind of legal thing, eh? Like that pesky thing I once said about voters NOT directly voting for president?... That corporation must be FILLED with children! Maybe it's just best to IGNORE THE FACT CHECKERS NOW, right?? ;D
Any American should be absolutely terrified at the idea of systemic voting irregularities making their votes worthless
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Still neither President elect, nor Vice President elect no matter how many times you say it.Any American should be absolutely terrified at the idea of systemic voting irregularities making their votes worthless
States systematically disenfranchising voters was why our elected representatives enacted and renewed the Voting Rights Act. Pity that activist judges decided to substitute their judgement on the matter.
Looks like Wisconsin will certify its vote tomorrow. As expected in a fair election, the hand recount resulted in only a small shift in votes, and not consistently favoring one candidate in the two counties that were requested to recount (remember, selective recounts were the most evil thing ever when Al Gore requested them in Florida in 2000).
Every day it's like a new win for my preferred candidate, Joseph R. Biden of Delaware! Congratulations again to him as President-elect and to Kamala Harris as Vice-President-elect!
I love how "Politifact"--the Third Party "fact checkers" for Facebook are so busy CENSORING CONSERVATIVES like Candace Owens--but when her lawyers threaten to fuck them in the ass until they are silly they quickly apologize and correct their fucking lying and censorship.I hate lawfare, but if getting hammered with lawsuit after lawsuit is what it takes to kick some sense into people, then fine.
I hope they are fucking strung up and hung. Every fucking executive. All their cock-sucking staff strung out and crushed. Their company bankrupted and all their money and assets seized. Crush them out, and put the fear of God in all of them. Get them at Midnight, and throw them into the fucking truck. Do this over and over again, to every cock-sucking Liberal traitor company. All of these "Fact Checker" companies, the media outlets, the Big Tech companies. Every time they censor someone, every time they fucking open their cunt mouth and lie--they need to get fucking blasted with a flame-thrower. Hammer them relentlessly, so whenever even one of them suggests indulging their swarmy treasonous tactics, everyone around them has a diarrhea attack, turns white as fucking ghosts, and get that deer-in-the-headlights look. Do this relentlessly, every fucking time, and these shitty companies full of traitors and Liberal Marxist scum will fucking die.
Candace Owens is fucking awesome. That girl doesn't fucking play games. ;D
Semper Fidelis,
SHARK
SHARK's full into his Make America Horrible Again bullshit! Nothing says America like inspiring fear, contempt, and hatred. He's even got his own scapegoat group he blames for everything...Remember HOW TO PLAY THE GAME: When they ask for proof, they always say 'That's NOT proof!', when they ask for statistics, they say 'Anyone can spew out NUMBERS!', when you appeal to their reason, they use emotions - when you appeal using emotions, they switch to reason.
Questions: Why do they hate you? Why do they wish to abuse your children? Why do they wish to MURDER all who oppose them but scream FORGIVE ME when caught??
Answer: Because they are LIARS, CHEATS, THIEVES, MURDERERS, AND ABUSERS. They are merely telling you: THINK LIKE WE TELL YOU, SHUT UP LIKE WE TELL YOU, AND GIVE US WHAT WE WANT - NO MORE TALK, NO MORE COMPROMISE, BECAUSE YOU'RE WEAK! BECAUSE YOU'RE ANIMALS!
Response: Fuck you. You're right - talk is cheap and is over. Enjoy the abuse and death you wished upon others. It is coming, and even though I myself will NOT survive it, I am comforted in knowing that neither will all of you!
GET YOUR INFO HERE:
====================
https://www.investmentwatchblog.com/global-debt-approaching-280-trillion-by-year-end/
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2020/11/breaking-exclusive-thousands-fake-votes-found-wisconsin-recount-dane-county-photos-report-gop-observer/
https://www.theepochtimes.com/new-lawsuit-asks-wisconsin-supreme-court-to-declare-all-drop-box-ballots-illegal-and-block-certification_3596676.html
https://uncoverdc.com/2020/11/28/case-dismissed-analysis-of-decision-in-pennsylvanias-parnell-case/
https://twitter.com/SenMastriano/status/1332398733401591808
https://twitter.com/rising_serpent/status/1332563664029806599
https://twitter.com/MattBraynard/status/1333042159981912067
https://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2020/11/its_in_the_code_hankypanky_in_virginias_votes.html
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2020/11/breaking-update-judge-timothy-batten-issues-order-freeze-dominion-machines-georgia/
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2020/11/saturdays-fun-fraud-facts-seven-unexplainable-results-reveal-democrats-didnt-even-try-hide-fraud/
https://twitter.com/SidneyPowell1/status/1332956647921053697
https://twitter.com/Rasmussen_Poll/status/1333113548281683977
https://twitter.com/JennaEllisEsq/status/1332552383470112768
BIDEN IS NOT the president elect??
https://twitter.com/RealCandaceO/status/1332711089604321286
Huh. Must be some kind of legal thing, eh? Like that pesky thing I once said about voters NOT directly voting for president?... That corporation must be FILLED with children! Maybe it's just best to IGNORE THE FACT CHECKERS NOW, right?? ;D
Greetings!
Awesome stuff, Consolcwby! Very good work, sir!
I love how "Politifact"--the Third Party "fact checkers" for Facebook are so busy CENSORING CONSERVATIVES like Candace Owens--but when her lawyers threaten to fuck them in the ass until they are silly they quickly apologize and correct their fucking lying and censorship.
I hope they are fucking strung up and hung. Every fucking executive. All their cock-sucking staff strung out and crushed. Their company bankrupted and all their money and assets seized. Crush them out, and put the fear of God in all of them. Get them at Midnight, and throw them into the fucking truck. Do this over and over again, to every cock-sucking Liberal traitor company. All of these "Fact Checker" companies, the media outlets, the Big Tech companies. Every time they censor someone, every time they fucking open their cunt mouth and lie--they need to get fucking blasted with a flame-thrower. Hammer them relentlessly, so whenever even one of them suggests indulging their swarmy treasonous tactics, everyone around them has a diarrhea attack, turns white as fucking ghosts, and get that deer-in-the-headlights look. Do this relentlessly, every fucking time, and these shitty companies full of traitors and Liberal Marxist scum will fucking die.
Candace Owens is fucking awesome. That girl doesn't fucking play games. ;D
Semper Fidelis,
SHARK
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Every day it's like a new win for my preferred candidate, Joseph R. Biden of Delaware! Congratulations again to him as President-elect and to Kamala Harris as Vice-President-elect!Still neither President elect, nor Vice President elect no matter how many times you say it.
Literally has nothing to do with the voting irregularities in the current election.Any American should be absolutely terrified at the idea of systemic voting irregularities making their votes worthless
States systematically disenfranchising voters was why our elected representatives enacted and renewed the Voting Rights Act.
Longer explanation: Over 3 million ballots were requested. Unsurprisingly, the false numbers claimed have not been presented to any court; rather, lawyers have repeatedly told judges that they are not alleging fraud. Now, why would lawyers who could be sanctioned and even disbarred for misrepresenting facts to a court not share false numbers that can be so easily debunked? It's a mystery that jeff37923 simply will not or cannot solve.
10/13: https://www.post-gazette.com/local/2020/10/13/Pennsylvania-mail-in-ballot-requests-2-6-million-registered-voters-PA-2020/stories/202010130153
10/19: https://www.nbcphiladelphia.com/news/politics/decision-2020/pennsylvania-mail-in-ballot-requests-hit-2-8-million-including-700000-gop-voters/2567670/
A recent fact check; although the numbers falsely claimed vary a little from moron37923's, the facts remain the same: https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/factcheck/2020/11/28/fact-check-pennsylvania-ballot-claim-mixes-primary-general-election-data/6450032002/
“If you haven’t already, voters with mail ballots should immediately hand-deliver your ballot to your county-designated location,” said Gov. Wolf. “Don’t wait until election day. Hand-delivering your own ballot now will give you the peace of mind that your vote will be counted, and your voice will be heard in this historic election.”Source: https://www.governor.pa.gov/newsroom/pennsylvanians-urged-to-hand-deliver-mail-ballots-immediately/
More than 3 million Pennsylvanians have applied to vote by mail
SHARK's full into his Make America Horrible Again bullshit! Nothing says America like inspiring fear, contempt, and hatred. He's even got his own scapegoat group he blames for everything...Remember HOW TO PLAY THE GAME: When they ask for proof, they always say 'That's NOT proof!', when they ask for statistics, they say 'Anyone can spew out NUMBERS!', when you appeal to their reason, they use emotions - when you appeal using emotions, they switch to reason.
Questions: Why do they hate you? Why do they wish to abuse your children? Why do they wish to MURDER all who oppose them but scream FORGIVE ME when caught??
Answer: Because they are LIARS, CHEATS, THIEVES, MURDERERS, AND ABUSERS. They are merely telling you: THINK LIKE WE TELL YOU, SHUT UP LIKE WE TELL YOU, AND GIVE US WHAT WE WANT - NO MORE TALK, NO MORE COMPROMISE, BECAUSE YOU'RE WEAK! BECAUSE YOU'RE ANIMALS!
Response: Fuck you. You're right - talk is cheap and is over. Enjoy the abuse and death you wished upon others. It is coming, and even though I myself will NOT survive it, I am comforted in knowing that neither will all of you!
GET YOUR INFO HERE:
====================
https://www.investmentwatchblog.com/global-debt-approaching-280-trillion-by-year-end/
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2020/11/breaking-exclusive-thousands-fake-votes-found-wisconsin-recount-dane-county-photos-report-gop-observer/
https://www.theepochtimes.com/new-lawsuit-asks-wisconsin-supreme-court-to-declare-all-drop-box-ballots-illegal-and-block-certification_3596676.html
https://uncoverdc.com/2020/11/28/case-dismissed-analysis-of-decision-in-pennsylvanias-parnell-case/
https://twitter.com/SenMastriano/status/1332398733401591808
https://twitter.com/rising_serpent/status/1332563664029806599
https://twitter.com/MattBraynard/status/1333042159981912067
https://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2020/11/its_in_the_code_hankypanky_in_virginias_votes.html
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2020/11/breaking-update-judge-timothy-batten-issues-order-freeze-dominion-machines-georgia/
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2020/11/saturdays-fun-fraud-facts-seven-unexplainable-results-reveal-democrats-didnt-even-try-hide-fraud/
https://twitter.com/SidneyPowell1/status/1332956647921053697
https://twitter.com/Rasmussen_Poll/status/1333113548281683977
https://twitter.com/JennaEllisEsq/status/1332552383470112768
BIDEN IS NOT the president elect??
https://twitter.com/RealCandaceO/status/1332711089604321286
Huh. Must be some kind of legal thing, eh? Like that pesky thing I once said about voters NOT directly voting for president?... That corporation must be FILLED with children! Maybe it's just best to IGNORE THE FACT CHECKERS NOW, right?? ;D
Greetings!
Awesome stuff, Consolcwby! Very good work, sir!
I love how "Politifact"--the Third Party "fact checkers" for Facebook are so busy CENSORING CONSERVATIVES like Candace Owens--but when her lawyers threaten to fuck them in the ass until they are silly they quickly apologize and correct their fucking lying and censorship.
I hope they are fucking strung up and hung. Every fucking executive. All their cock-sucking staff strung out and crushed. Their company bankrupted and all their money and assets seized. Crush them out, and put the fear of God in all of them. Get them at Midnight, and throw them into the fucking truck. Do this over and over again, to every cock-sucking Liberal traitor company. All of these "Fact Checker" companies, the media outlets, the Big Tech companies. Every time they censor someone, every time they fucking open their cunt mouth and lie--they need to get fucking blasted with a flame-thrower. Hammer them relentlessly, so whenever even one of them suggests indulging their swarmy treasonous tactics, everyone around them has a diarrhea attack, turns white as fucking ghosts, and get that deer-in-the-headlights look. Do this relentlessly, every fucking time, and these shitty companies full of traitors and Liberal Marxist scum will fucking die.
Candace Owens is fucking awesome. That girl doesn't fucking play games. ;D
Semper Fidelis,
SHARK
Don't be disingenuous. Regardless of what the GSA has done, the President has neither conceded, nor have the electors voted yet. Furthermore, the results are being challenged in several states. Murphy has proceeded to release federal funds covering things like travel, training, and equipment until Inauguration Day, in case Biden is actually elected. It's no big deal. It was done for both Bush and Gore in 2000 when that election was contested.Every day it's like a new win for my preferred candidate, Joseph R. Biden of Delaware! Congratulations again to him as President-elect and to Kamala Harris as Vice-President-elect!Still neither President elect, nor Vice President elect no matter how many times you say it.
Are you accusing Emily Murphy, Trump-appointed head of the GSA, of violating the law, as she is providing funding to Joe Biden and Kamala Harris that is only authorized for the President elect and Vice President elect? The Presidential Transition Act defines the terms in federal law, and Emily Murphy has (belatedly) ascertained the apparently successful candidates who are therefore President elect and Vice President elect.
I didn't have to say it once for it to be true. It's true no matter how many times you deny it. It's true if nobody says it at all.
SHARK's full into his Make America Horrible Again bullshit! Nothing says America like inspiring fear, contempt, and hatred. He's even got his own scapegoat group he blames for everything...Remember HOW TO PLAY THE GAME: When they ask for proof, they always say 'That's NOT proof!', when they ask for statistics, they say 'Anyone can spew out NUMBERS!', when you appeal to their reason, they use emotions - when you appeal using emotions, they switch to reason.
Questions: Why do they hate you? Why do they wish to abuse your children? Why do they wish to MURDER all who oppose them but scream FORGIVE ME when caught??
Answer: Because they are LIARS, CHEATS, THIEVES, MURDERERS, AND ABUSERS. They are merely telling you: THINK LIKE WE TELL YOU, SHUT UP LIKE WE TELL YOU, AND GIVE US WHAT WE WANT - NO MORE TALK, NO MORE COMPROMISE, BECAUSE YOU'RE WEAK! BECAUSE YOU'RE ANIMALS!
Response: Fuck you. You're right - talk is cheap and is over. Enjoy the abuse and death you wished upon others. It is coming, and even though I myself will NOT survive it, I am comforted in knowing that neither will all of you!
GET YOUR INFO HERE:
====================
https://www.investmentwatchblog.com/global-debt-approaching-280-trillion-by-year-end/
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2020/11/breaking-exclusive-thousands-fake-votes-found-wisconsin-recount-dane-county-photos-report-gop-observer/
https://www.theepochtimes.com/new-lawsuit-asks-wisconsin-supreme-court-to-declare-all-drop-box-ballots-illegal-and-block-certification_3596676.html
https://uncoverdc.com/2020/11/28/case-dismissed-analysis-of-decision-in-pennsylvanias-parnell-case/
https://twitter.com/SenMastriano/status/1332398733401591808
https://twitter.com/rising_serpent/status/1332563664029806599
https://twitter.com/MattBraynard/status/1333042159981912067
https://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2020/11/its_in_the_code_hankypanky_in_virginias_votes.html
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2020/11/breaking-update-judge-timothy-batten-issues-order-freeze-dominion-machines-georgia/
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2020/11/saturdays-fun-fraud-facts-seven-unexplainable-results-reveal-democrats-didnt-even-try-hide-fraud/
https://twitter.com/SidneyPowell1/status/1332956647921053697
https://twitter.com/Rasmussen_Poll/status/1333113548281683977
https://twitter.com/JennaEllisEsq/status/1332552383470112768
BIDEN IS NOT the president elect??
https://twitter.com/RealCandaceO/status/1332711089604321286
Huh. Must be some kind of legal thing, eh? Like that pesky thing I once said about voters NOT directly voting for president?... That corporation must be FILLED with children! Maybe it's just best to IGNORE THE FACT CHECKERS NOW, right?? ;D
Greetings!
Awesome stuff, Consolcwby! Very good work, sir!
I love how "Politifact"--the Third Party "fact checkers" for Facebook are so busy CENSORING CONSERVATIVES like Candace Owens--but when her lawyers threaten to fuck them in the ass until they are silly they quickly apologize and correct their fucking lying and censorship.
I hope they are fucking strung up and hung. Every fucking executive. All their cock-sucking staff strung out and crushed. Their company bankrupted and all their money and assets seized. Crush them out, and put the fear of God in all of them. Get them at Midnight, and throw them into the fucking truck. Do this over and over again, to every cock-sucking Liberal traitor company. All of these "Fact Checker" companies, the media outlets, the Big Tech companies. Every time they censor someone, every time they fucking open their cunt mouth and lie--they need to get fucking blasted with a flame-thrower. Hammer them relentlessly, so whenever even one of them suggests indulging their swarmy treasonous tactics, everyone around them has a diarrhea attack, turns white as fucking ghosts, and get that deer-in-the-headlights look. Do this relentlessly, every fucking time, and these shitty companies full of traitors and Liberal Marxist scum will fucking die.
Candace Owens is fucking awesome. That girl doesn't fucking play games. ;D
Semper Fidelis,
SHARK
That train's never late.
SHARK's full into his Make America Horrible Again bullshit! Nothing says America like inspiring fear, contempt, and hatred. He's even got his own scapegoat group he blames for everything...Remember HOW TO PLAY THE GAME: When they ask for proof, they always say 'That's NOT proof!', when they ask for statistics, they say 'Anyone can spew out NUMBERS!', when you appeal to their reason, they use emotions - when you appeal using emotions, they switch to reason.
Questions: Why do they hate you? Why do they wish to abuse your children? Why do they wish to MURDER all who oppose them but scream FORGIVE ME when caught??
Answer: Because they are LIARS, CHEATS, THIEVES, MURDERERS, AND ABUSERS. They are merely telling you: THINK LIKE WE TELL YOU, SHUT UP LIKE WE TELL YOU, AND GIVE US WHAT WE WANT - NO MORE TALK, NO MORE COMPROMISE, BECAUSE YOU'RE WEAK! BECAUSE YOU'RE ANIMALS!
Response: Fuck you. You're right - talk is cheap and is over. Enjoy the abuse and death you wished upon others. It is coming, and even though I myself will NOT survive it, I am comforted in knowing that neither will all of you!
GET YOUR INFO HERE:
====================
https://www.investmentwatchblog.com/global-debt-approaching-280-trillion-by-year-end/
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2020/11/breaking-exclusive-thousands-fake-votes-found-wisconsin-recount-dane-county-photos-report-gop-observer/
https://www.theepochtimes.com/new-lawsuit-asks-wisconsin-supreme-court-to-declare-all-drop-box-ballots-illegal-and-block-certification_3596676.html
https://uncoverdc.com/2020/11/28/case-dismissed-analysis-of-decision-in-pennsylvanias-parnell-case/
https://twitter.com/SenMastriano/status/1332398733401591808
https://twitter.com/rising_serpent/status/1332563664029806599
https://twitter.com/MattBraynard/status/1333042159981912067
https://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2020/11/its_in_the_code_hankypanky_in_virginias_votes.html
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2020/11/breaking-update-judge-timothy-batten-issues-order-freeze-dominion-machines-georgia/
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2020/11/saturdays-fun-fraud-facts-seven-unexplainable-results-reveal-democrats-didnt-even-try-hide-fraud/
https://twitter.com/SidneyPowell1/status/1332956647921053697
https://twitter.com/Rasmussen_Poll/status/1333113548281683977
https://twitter.com/JennaEllisEsq/status/1332552383470112768
BIDEN IS NOT the president elect??
https://twitter.com/RealCandaceO/status/1332711089604321286
Huh. Must be some kind of legal thing, eh? Like that pesky thing I once said about voters NOT directly voting for president?... That corporation must be FILLED with children! Maybe it's just best to IGNORE THE FACT CHECKERS NOW, right?? ;D
Greetings!
Awesome stuff, Consolcwby! Very good work, sir!
I love how "Politifact"--the Third Party "fact checkers" for Facebook are so busy CENSORING CONSERVATIVES like Candace Owens--but when her lawyers threaten to fuck them in the ass until they are silly they quickly apologize and correct their fucking lying and censorship.
I hope they are fucking strung up and hung. Every fucking executive. All their cock-sucking staff strung out and crushed. Their company bankrupted and all their money and assets seized. Crush them out, and put the fear of God in all of them. Get them at Midnight, and throw them into the fucking truck. Do this over and over again, to every cock-sucking Liberal traitor company. All of these "Fact Checker" companies, the media outlets, the Big Tech companies. Every time they censor someone, every time they fucking open their cunt mouth and lie--they need to get fucking blasted with a flame-thrower. Hammer them relentlessly, so whenever even one of them suggests indulging their swarmy treasonous tactics, everyone around them has a diarrhea attack, turns white as fucking ghosts, and get that deer-in-the-headlights look. Do this relentlessly, every fucking time, and these shitty companies full of traitors and Liberal Marxist scum will fucking die.
Candace Owens is fucking awesome. That girl doesn't fucking play games. ;D
Semper Fidelis,
SHARK
Go on, SHARK, tell us all about what should be done with the Marxists (and everybody you lump into that category). Do you have concentration camps planned out? Perhaps you have a final solution in mind?SHARK's full into his Make America Horrible Again bullshit! Nothing says America like inspiring fear, contempt, and hatred. He's even got his own scapegoat group he blames for everything...Remember HOW TO PLAY THE GAME: When they ask for proof, they always say 'That's NOT proof!', when they ask for statistics, they say 'Anyone can spew out NUMBERS!', when you appeal to their reason, they use emotions - when you appeal using emotions, they switch to reason.
Questions: Why do they hate you? Why do they wish to abuse your children? Why do they wish to MURDER all who oppose them but scream FORGIVE ME when caught??
Answer: Because they are LIARS, CHEATS, THIEVES, MURDERERS, AND ABUSERS. They are merely telling you: THINK LIKE WE TELL YOU, SHUT UP LIKE WE TELL YOU, AND GIVE US WHAT WE WANT - NO MORE TALK, NO MORE COMPROMISE, BECAUSE YOU'RE WEAK! BECAUSE YOU'RE ANIMALS!
Response: Fuck you. You're right - talk is cheap and is over. Enjoy the abuse and death you wished upon others. It is coming, and even though I myself will NOT survive it, I am comforted in knowing that neither will all of you!
GET YOUR INFO HERE:
====================
https://www.investmentwatchblog.com/global-debt-approaching-280-trillion-by-year-end/
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2020/11/breaking-exclusive-thousands-fake-votes-found-wisconsin-recount-dane-county-photos-report-gop-observer/
https://www.theepochtimes.com/new-lawsuit-asks-wisconsin-supreme-court-to-declare-all-drop-box-ballots-illegal-and-block-certification_3596676.html
https://uncoverdc.com/2020/11/28/case-dismissed-analysis-of-decision-in-pennsylvanias-parnell-case/
https://twitter.com/SenMastriano/status/1332398733401591808
https://twitter.com/rising_serpent/status/1332563664029806599
https://twitter.com/MattBraynard/status/1333042159981912067
https://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2020/11/its_in_the_code_hankypanky_in_virginias_votes.html
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2020/11/breaking-update-judge-timothy-batten-issues-order-freeze-dominion-machines-georgia/
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2020/11/saturdays-fun-fraud-facts-seven-unexplainable-results-reveal-democrats-didnt-even-try-hide-fraud/
https://twitter.com/SidneyPowell1/status/1332956647921053697
https://twitter.com/Rasmussen_Poll/status/1333113548281683977
https://twitter.com/JennaEllisEsq/status/1332552383470112768
BIDEN IS NOT the president elect??
https://twitter.com/RealCandaceO/status/1332711089604321286
Huh. Must be some kind of legal thing, eh? Like that pesky thing I once said about voters NOT directly voting for president?... That corporation must be FILLED with children! Maybe it's just best to IGNORE THE FACT CHECKERS NOW, right?? ;D
Greetings!
Awesome stuff, Consolcwby! Very good work, sir!
I love how "Politifact"--the Third Party "fact checkers" for Facebook are so busy CENSORING CONSERVATIVES like Candace Owens--but when her lawyers threaten to fuck them in the ass until they are silly they quickly apologize and correct their fucking lying and censorship.
I hope they are fucking strung up and hung. Every fucking executive. All their cock-sucking staff strung out and crushed. Their company bankrupted and all their money and assets seized. Crush them out, and put the fear of God in all of them. Get them at Midnight, and throw them into the fucking truck. Do this over and over again, to every cock-sucking Liberal traitor company. All of these "Fact Checker" companies, the media outlets, the Big Tech companies. Every time they censor someone, every time they fucking open their cunt mouth and lie--they need to get fucking blasted with a flame-thrower. Hammer them relentlessly, so whenever even one of them suggests indulging their swarmy treasonous tactics, everyone around them has a diarrhea attack, turns white as fucking ghosts, and get that deer-in-the-headlights look. Do this relentlessly, every fucking time, and these shitty companies full of traitors and Liberal Marxist scum will fucking die.
Candace Owens is fucking awesome. That girl doesn't fucking play games. ;D
Semper Fidelis,
SHARK
Greetings!
Good, TRUE Americans have nothing to fear.
Marxists? Oh yeah. They need to know fear. They know that the dog-food truck is waiting for them. The fucking Marxists need to experience terror. They would soon be on a plane to fucking China, or Venezuela, which is where they belong. Or out in the fucking desert, with the scorpions and snakes.
Semper Fidelis,
SHARK
Shark no!
Think about those poor snakes and scorpions. Do you really want them to suffer from the sjw madness? Be merciful towards those creatures.
It is better to give those marxist traitors a free helicopter ride.
Shark no!If it posts like alt-right, and memes like alt-right...
Think about those poor snakes and scorpions. Do you really want them to suffer from the sjw madness? Be merciful towards those creatures.
It is better to give those marxist traitors a free helicopter ride.
Fap fap fap
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Go on, SHARK, tell us all about what should be done with the Marxists (and everybody you lump into that category). Do you have concentration camps planned out? Perhaps you have a final solution in mind?
Don't be silly, jeffy, SHARK's already supporting monstrous activities against those that he views as the "other" (he calls them Marxists because that's the popular term in his circles).Go on, SHARK, tell us all about what should be done with the Marxists (and everybody you lump into that category). Do you have concentration camps planned out? Perhaps you have a final solution in mind?
Wow! Leftists sure do love those concentration camps and final solutions! They advocate for them at every opportunity! Well, that's National Socialists for 'ya! God love 'em!
Fap fap fap
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It is very telling how a single political cartoon can make the Usual Suspects lose their shit. If rawma and jhkim were as confident as they claim and not terrified that this election fraud was being found out, then the cartoon would not be causing such a stir.
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Get on board the TRUMP TRAIN! ;DSHARK and his buddies fucking a stale Cheetos puff; that's a disgusting mental image, but it's less violent than most of SHARK's extremist virtue signaling and REEEEing.
I’ve heard that the 1.8M claim mistakenly used primary ballots out with general election ballots in. Dunno.
But social media is abuzz; apparently at the Arizona hearings today an (ex?) US Army colonel, cyber-security guy named Phil Waldron testified that some software named Spiderfoot tracked raw voting data being routed to Frankfurt, Germany
I’ve heard that the 1.8M claim mistakenly used primary ballots out with general election ballots in. Dunno.
But social media is abuzz; apparently at the Arizona hearings today an (ex?) US Army colonel, cyber-security guy named Phil Waldron testified that some software named Spiderfoot tracked raw voting data being routed to Frankfurt, Germany
Greetings!
Interesting hearing more about servers in Germany. I have heard there was some kind of shootout between special forces and CIA operatives defending the site in Germany. Evidently, 5 Special Forces members were killed, and 1 CIA operative was killed, but the servers and computers were seized by Special Forces. These servers evidently processed American votes funneled to them from America, whereupon they could have been potentially tampered with and corrupted by such foreign agents working against America--and in league with Deep State American traitors, who were working closely with them to subvert our election.
Semper Fidelis,
SHARK
I’ve heard that the 1.8M claim mistakenly used primary ballots out with general election ballots in. Dunno.
But social media is abuzz; apparently at the Arizona hearings today an (ex?) US Army colonel, cyber-security guy named Phil Waldron testified that some software named Spiderfoot tracked raw voting data being routed to Frankfurt, Germany
Greetings!
Interesting hearing more about servers in Germany. I have heard there was some kind of shootout between special forces and CIA operatives defending the site in Germany. Evidently, 5 Special Forces members were killed, and 1 CIA operative was killed, but the servers and computers were seized by Special Forces. These servers evidently processed American votes funneled to them from America, whereupon they could have been potentially tampered with and corrupted by such foreign agents working against America--and in league with Deep State American traitors, who were working closely with them to subvert our election.
Semper Fidelis,
SHARK
...and I saw one of the babies and the baby looked at me.
You "don't know much" but you're quite happy to put your unsupported conspiracy theory bullshit out there, because any repetition of your crazy-ass shit is good in your eyes. Fucking pathetic.I’ve heard that the 1.8M claim mistakenly used primary ballots out with general election ballots in. Dunno.
But social media is abuzz; apparently at the Arizona hearings today an (ex?) US Army colonel, cyber-security guy named Phil Waldron testified that some software named Spiderfoot tracked raw voting data being routed to Frankfurt, Germany
Greetings!
Interesting hearing more about servers in Germany. I have heard there was some kind of shootout between special forces and CIA operatives defending the site in Germany. Evidently, 5 Special Forces members were killed, and 1 CIA operative was killed, but the servers and computers were seized by Special Forces. These servers evidently processed American votes funneled to them from America, whereupon they could have been potentially tampered with and corrupted by such foreign agents working against America--and in league with Deep State American traitors, who were working closely with them to subvert our election.
Semper Fidelis,
SHARK
...and I saw one of the babies and the baby looked at me.
Greetings!
Whateva! I don't know much about what went down in Germany. Who knows? I suppose if anything did really occur, whatever will eventually come out.
Semper Fidelis,
SHARK
Don't be silly, jeffy, SHARK's already supporting monstrous activities against those that he views as the "other" (he calls them Marxists because that's the popular term in his circles).Go on, SHARK, tell us all about what should be done with the Marxists (and everybody you lump into that category). Do you have concentration camps planned out? Perhaps you have a final solution in mind?
Wow! Leftists sure do love those concentration camps and final solutions! They advocate for them at every opportunity! Well, that's National Socialists for 'ya! God love 'em!
You "don't know much" but you're quite happy to put your unsupported conspiracy theory bullshit out there, because any repetition of your crazy-ass shit is good in your eyes. Fucking pathetic.I’ve heard that the 1.8M claim mistakenly used primary ballots out with general election ballots in. Dunno.
But social media is abuzz; apparently at the Arizona hearings today an (ex?) US Army colonel, cyber-security guy named Phil Waldron testified that some software named Spiderfoot tracked raw voting data being routed to Frankfurt, Germany
Greetings!
Interesting hearing more about servers in Germany. I have heard there was some kind of shootout between special forces and CIA operatives defending the site in Germany. Evidently, 5 Special Forces members were killed, and 1 CIA operative was killed, but the servers and computers were seized by Special Forces. These servers evidently processed American votes funneled to them from America, whereupon they could have been potentially tampered with and corrupted by such foreign agents working against America--and in league with Deep State American traitors, who were working closely with them to subvert our election.
Semper Fidelis,
SHARK
...and I saw one of the babies and the baby looked at me.
Greetings!
Whateva! I don't know much about what went down in Germany. Who knows? I suppose if anything did really occur, whatever will eventually come out.
Semper Fidelis,
SHARK
Government and legacy media only reports truth, and reports all the truth.
The purpose of social media was for us to discuss amongst ourselves what was first reported by the government and legacy media; information we can trust.
This is what separates us from autocratic societies
In the "your vote still doesn't matter" category, Iowa certified the results of the US House race in their 2nd second Congressional District, giving the race to the Republican by a total of 6 votes. Yes, one two three four five six votes. 196,964 to 196,958 is 50.00076% to 49.99924%. It's the closest Congressional race in decades.I hope they recounted that one twice. Six votes? Jeez...
https://www.usnews.com/news/politics/articles/2020-11-30/iowa-board-to-certify-6-vote-republican-win-in-us-house-race
Incidentally, love her name: Mariannette Miller-Meeks.
It was a recount. Her lead was initially... drumroll... 47 votes.In the "your vote still doesn't matter" category, Iowa certified the results of the US House race in their 2nd second Congressional District, giving the race to the Republican by a total of 6 votes. Yes, one two three four five six votes. 196,964 to 196,958 is 50.00076% to 49.99924%. It's the closest Congressional race in decades.I hope they recounted that one twice. Six votes? Jeez...
https://www.usnews.com/news/politics/articles/2020-11-30/iowa-board-to-certify-6-vote-republican-win-in-us-house-race
Incidentally, love her name: Mariannette Miller-Meeks.
Government and legacy media only reports truth, and reports all the truth.
The purpose of social media was for us to discuss amongst ourselves what was first reported by the government and legacy media; information we can trust.
This is what separates us from autocratic societies
I'm not understanding this. According to this, before the rise of social media, the U.S. was an autocratic society.
Don't be disingenuous.Every day it's like a new win for my preferred candidate, Joseph R. Biden of Delaware! Congratulations again to him as President-elect and to Kamala Harris as Vice-President-elect!Still neither President elect, nor Vice President elect no matter how many times you say it.
Are you accusing Emily Murphy, Trump-appointed head of the GSA, of violating the law, as she is providing funding to Joe Biden and Kamala Harris that is only authorized for the President elect and Vice President elect? The Presidential Transition Act defines the terms in federal law, and Emily Murphy has (belatedly) ascertained the apparently successful candidates who are therefore President elect and Vice President elect.
I didn't have to say it once for it to be true. It's true no matter how many times you deny it. It's true if nobody says it at all.
Regardless of what the GSA has done, the President has neither conceded, nor have the electors voted yet. Furthermore, the results are being challenged in several states. Murphy has proceeded to release federal funds covering things like travel, training, and equipment until Inauguration Day, in case Biden is actually elected. It's no big deal. It was done for both Bush and Gore in 2000 when that election was contested.
A quick Google search shows that SHARK'S source, former 3-star general Thomas McInerney, is as much of a deranged fucktard as he is. (https://talkingpointsmemo.com/muckraker/retired-three-star-lieutenant-general-backs-birther-army-doctor)
Let's start with the fact that he's a dedicated white supremacist who was so convinced that Obama wasn't "really" President on the grounds that -SURPRISE!- he wasn't a natural-born American, that he encouraged a US Army officer to go AWOL. This was part of some retarded scheme to subpoena Obama's birth certificate. The Army had no patience for this kind of bullfuckery, and Lt Colonel Terry Lakin was convicted, sentenced to prison and dishonorably discharged. Nice going, eh?
Then he got himself booted permanently from FOX News for claiming that John McCain squealed on fellow prisoners in Vietnam.
He reminds me of Major General Edwin Walker, another white supremacist jack-off who tried to incite men in uniform to disobey lawful orders on the grounds that the current commander-in-chief was a commie who was too friendly to the "coloreds" and a Catholic to boot. I figure it's only a matter of time before McInerney, like Walker, gets arrested trying to sodomize an undercover police officer in a public restroom. Twice.
The fact that a moron like Thomas McInerney was able to get three stars *** on his uniform goes a long way to explain why this country has lost almost every war since 1945.
I am not being disingenuous. The terms "President elect" and "Vice President elect" are defined in federal law, and we know that the conditions for Joe Biden and Kamala Harris to claim those titles have been met. QED.
You're the one putting up unsubstantiated click-bait, you dumbass. You try to claim that you're open-minded, but that's a fucking lie. You just fucking hate America and want to cause more strife.A quick Google search shows that SHARK'S source, former 3-star general Thomas McInerney, is as much of a deranged fucktard as he is. (https://talkingpointsmemo.com/muckraker/retired-three-star-lieutenant-general-backs-birther-army-doctor)
Let's start with the fact that he's a dedicated white supremacist who was so convinced that Obama wasn't "really" President on the grounds that -SURPRISE!- he wasn't a natural-born American, that he encouraged a US Army officer to go AWOL. This was part of some retarded scheme to subpoena Obama's birth certificate. The Army had no patience for this kind of bullfuckery, and Lt Colonel Terry Lakin was convicted, sentenced to prison and dishonorably discharged. Nice going, eh?
Then he got himself booted permanently from FOX News for claiming that John McCain squealed on fellow prisoners in Vietnam.
He reminds me of Major General Edwin Walker, another white supremacist jack-off who tried to incite men in uniform to disobey lawful orders on the grounds that the current commander-in-chief was a commie who was too friendly to the "coloreds" and a Catholic to boot. I figure it's only a matter of time before McInerney, like Walker, gets arrested trying to sodomize an undercover police officer in a public restroom. Twice.
The fact that a moron like Thomas McInerney was able to get three stars *** on his uniform goes a long way to explain why this country has lost almost every war since 1945.
Greetings!
Deranged fucktard? Really, Elfdart? Go fuck yourself, moron. You just love going to bat for fucking Marxists.
Lieutenant General McInerney is a white supremacist? Oh yeah. Now I know you are getting on your knees so some Marxist can fuck you in the ass! Cock-sucking pussy Liberals like you love calling everyone and anyone a "Hu White Supremacist!!!" Oh, REEEE!
Shut the fuck up, jackass.
From the Blaze Video, as they discuss the Media station's interview with Lieutenant General McInerney, the general discusses the event which occurred in Germany. I would expect a Lieutenant General might have some relevant contacts and information on such developments.
I am open minded, and await to see more information. Regardless of your flaccid opinion of Lieutenant General McInerney, the Blaze network provides interesting discussion, which is why I posted the video of the discussion, jackass.
You though, being a Marxist cunt full of jello, well, we all know you just suck down whatever BS the MSM serves up, with absolute certainty.
Semper Fidelis,
SHARK
Government and legacy media only reports truth, and reports all the truth.
The purpose of social media was for us to discuss amongst ourselves what was first reported by the government and legacy media; information we can trust.
This is what separates us from autocratic societies
I'm not understanding this. According to this, before the rise of social media, the U.S. was an autocratic society.
Your believe that BSM (Before Social Media) was an era of only legacy media and government information being consumed and discussed is unsurprising.
I am not being disingenuous. The terms "President elect" and "Vice President elect" are defined in federal law, and we know that the conditions for Joe Biden and Kamala Harris to claim those titles have been met. QED.
Has the Electoral College voted already?
No, then how can QED?
Huh? My whole point was about how we have a great history of free speech here in the U.S. -- how we have never been limited by only select sources. I was contrasting with your claim that seemed to be elevating social media as a contrast to what came before.
I would say that none of social media, government media, or legacy media is inherently "information we can trust".
It seemed to me that you were talking up social media as a positive force that contrasted with autocratic societies. I have a negative view of social media -- and I felt that the BSM (Before Social Media) age had better alternatives.
It is very telling how a single political cartoon can make the Usual Suspects lose their shit. If rawma and jhkim were as confident as they claim and not terrified that this election fraud was being found out, then the cartoon would not be causing such a stir.
I am not being disingenuous. The terms "President elect" and "Vice President elect" are defined in federal law, and we know that the conditions for Joe Biden and Kamala Harris to claim those titles have been met. QED.
Has the Electoral College voted already?
No, then how can QED?
QuoteHuh? My whole point was about how we have a great history of free speech here in the U.S. -- how we have never been limited by only select sources. I was contrasting with your claim that seemed to be elevating social media as a contrast to what came before.
I would say that none of social media, government media, or legacy media is inherently "information we can trust".
It seemed to me that you were talking up social media as a positive force that contrasted with autocratic societies. I have a negative view of social media -- and I felt that the BSM (Before Social Media) age had better alternatives.
This is why some people don't get the Babylon Bee
You're the one putting up unsubstantiated click-bait, you dumbass. You try to claim that you're open-minded, but that's a fucking lie. You just fucking hate America and want to cause more strife.A quick Google search shows that SHARK'S source, former 3-star general Thomas McInerney, is as much of a deranged fucktard as he is. (https://talkingpointsmemo.com/muckraker/retired-three-star-lieutenant-general-backs-birther-army-doctor)
Let's start with the fact that he's a dedicated white supremacist who was so convinced that Obama wasn't "really" President on the grounds that -SURPRISE!- he wasn't a natural-born American, that he encouraged a US Army officer to go AWOL. This was part of some retarded scheme to subpoena Obama's birth certificate. The Army had no patience for this kind of bullfuckery, and Lt Colonel Terry Lakin was convicted, sentenced to prison and dishonorably discharged. Nice going, eh?
Then he got himself booted permanently from FOX News for claiming that John McCain squealed on fellow prisoners in Vietnam.
He reminds me of Major General Edwin Walker, another white supremacist jack-off who tried to incite men in uniform to disobey lawful orders on the grounds that the current commander-in-chief was a commie who was too friendly to the "coloreds" and a Catholic to boot. I figure it's only a matter of time before McInerney, like Walker, gets arrested trying to sodomize an undercover police officer in a public restroom. Twice.
The fact that a moron like Thomas McInerney was able to get three stars *** on his uniform goes a long way to explain why this country has lost almost every war since 1945.
Greetings!
Deranged fucktard? Really, Elfdart? Go fuck yourself, moron. You just love going to bat for fucking Marxists.
Lieutenant General McInerney is a white supremacist? Oh yeah. Now I know you are getting on your knees so some Marxist can fuck you in the ass! Cock-sucking pussy Liberals like you love calling everyone and anyone a "Hu White Supremacist!!!" Oh, REEEE!
Shut the fuck up, jackass.
From the Blaze Video, as they discuss the Media station's interview with Lieutenant General McInerney, the general discusses the event which occurred in Germany. I would expect a Lieutenant General might have some relevant contacts and information on such developments.
I am open minded, and await to see more information. Regardless of your flaccid opinion of Lieutenant General McInerney, the Blaze network provides interesting discussion, which is why I posted the video of the discussion, jackass.
You though, being a Marxist cunt full of jello, well, we all know you just suck down whatever BS the MSM serves up, with absolute certainty.
Semper Fidelis,
SHARK
QuoteHuh? My whole point was about how we have a great history of free speech here in the U.S. -- how we have never been limited by only select sources. I was contrasting with your claim that seemed to be elevating social media as a contrast to what came before.
I would say that none of social media, government media, or legacy media is inherently "information we can trust".
It seemed to me that you were talking up social media as a positive force that contrasted with autocratic societies. I have a negative view of social media -- and I felt that the BSM (Before Social Media) age had better alternatives.
This is why some people don't get the Babylon Bee
Dude. Sorry if that was just a joke. With all the extreme claims being posted here, I have a hard time distinguishing what are actual claims versus hyperbole versus sarcasm. Nothing personal at you.
The hand recount in Georgia did not prove out this "Dominion machines rigged the election" claim.I'll just put this CONVENIENT INFO here for ya: https://t.co/G8aorxZlRh incase of fuckery: https://v1.nitrocdn.com/PtUefQrfncdsWOjilqcqdvGyQbUvpoWC/assets/desktop/optimized/rev-fd11ab2/media/16e2faca6252dc5cbf7d65ff0206600d.EoCPGwhXUAAmUX9
The hand recount in Wisconsin did not prove out this "Dominion machines rigged the election" claim.
Tell me how many recounts it takes to at least put doubt in people's minds that this "Dominion machines rigged the election" conspiracy theory might not be legit?
WATCH THE FUCKING VIDEO AND LISTEN TO THE DISCUSSION!
Geesus some of you are fucking full of sand. I posted the video as examples of more people talking about this, for discussion here. I already said I don't know much about the events in Germany, though I am interested to hear more--and I keep an open mind.
And, WHAT DID I TELL YA? https://www.dailywire.com/news/l-a-health-official-not-wearing-a-mask-is-an-act-of-domestic-terrorism-should-be-treated-like-oneWATCH THE FUCKING VIDEO AND LISTEN TO THE DISCUSSION!
Geesus some of you are fucking full of sand. I posted the video as examples of more people talking about this, for discussion here. I already said I don't know much about the events in Germany, though I am interested to hear more--and I keep an open mind.
I watched the BlazeTV and the Steve Turley video, which were at least short. I didn't watch the B Tatum video which was an hour and half. The Steve Turley video at least showed testimony being given in court. But what was being presented in court in their clip was the contents of an anonymous email!!! Turley acted shocked and outraged over the contents of the email -- I was shocked that a fucking anonymous email was being presented as evidence in court.
From about 6:00 in the video, "This was an anonymous email that was sent to all the members of the Arizona legislature and it was also sent to DOJ. This individual sent the email wanted to remain anonymous but had enough concern that he sent this to the criminal division at the U.S. Department of Justice. He did not want to be included in the investigation." He goes on to detail the horrible things exposed by the email, leaving aside that... it's a fucking anonymous email. Also, interestingly, it goes against the Dominion machine theory by claiming now that *any* election machine can have the same.
The BlazeTV segment was just people talking second-hand about what McInerny said -- when he's fucking 83 and long retired. He's not an inside information source to army operations. What's amazing was how all the players were emphasizing how the claims were completely unbelievable -- but then they keep going on because they have absolute faith in McInerny.
Like you, I'm trying to keep an open mind, but there has to be a filter at some point for what one is trying to keep an open mind about. Seriously, I realize that your emotions are running high - but there needs to be a filter at some point. Anonymous emails are not, in fact, shocking proof as Turley is claiming. McInerny at least is a named source, but as far as I can tell, he's not talking about anything he has first-hand knowledge of. He's just someone who has decided to believe the rumors.
But what if there are, like, *hundreds* of Twitter posts and anonymous emails. Surely that shows there is something there to be concerned about? Maybe. But also maybe not. The only thing it definitely shows is that people really *want* to believe.
WATCH THE FUCKING VIDEO AND LISTEN TO THE DISCUSSION!
Geesus some of you are fucking full of sand. I posted the video as examples of more people talking about this, for discussion here. I already said I don't know much about the events in Germany, though I am interested to hear more--and I keep an open mind.
I watched the BlazeTV and the Steve Turley video, which were at least short. I didn't watch the B Tatum video which was an hour and half. The Steve Turley video at least showed testimony being given in court. But what was being presented in court in their clip was the contents of an anonymous email!!! Turley acted shocked and outraged over the contents of the email -- I was shocked that a fucking anonymous email was being presented as evidence in court.
From about 6:00 in the video, "This was an anonymous email that was sent to all the members of the Arizona legislature and it was also sent to DOJ. This individual sent the email wanted to remain anonymous but had enough concern that he sent this to the criminal division at the U.S. Department of Justice. He did not want to be included in the investigation." He goes on to detail the horrible things exposed by the email, leaving aside that... it's a fucking anonymous email. Also, interestingly, it goes against the Dominion machine theory by claiming now that *any* election machine can have the same.
The BlazeTV segment was just people talking second-hand about what McInerny said -- when he's fucking 83 and long retired. He's not an inside information source to army operations. What's amazing was how all the players were emphasizing how the claims were completely unbelievable -- but then they keep going on because they have absolute faith in McInerny.
Like you, I'm trying to keep an open mind, but there has to be a filter at some point for what one is trying to keep an open mind about. Seriously, I realize that your emotions are running high - but there needs to be a filter at some point. Anonymous emails are not, in fact, shocking proof as Turley is claiming. McInerny at least is a named source, but as far as I can tell, he's not talking about anything he has first-hand knowledge of. He's just someone who has decided to believe the rumors.
But what if there are, like, *hundreds* of Twitter posts and anonymous emails. Surely that shows there is something there to be concerned about? Maybe. But also maybe not. The only thing it definitely shows is that people really *want* to believe.
It is very telling how a single political cartoon can make the Usual Suspects lose their shit. If rawma and jhkim were as confident as they claim and not terrified that this election fraud was being found out, then the cartoon would not be causing such a stir.
I've corrected lots of disinformation in this thread; jhkim has probably done more of that, as I'm not going to spend my time watching a lengthy video or reading the Kraken filings. But if I can find the fact checks in a brief search, or just link to the court's dismissal of another frivolous lawsuit, then I'm all in.
Maybe you should find a political cartoon that isn't based on something that is completely false and so easy to disprove.I am not being disingenuous. The terms "President elect" and "Vice President elect" are defined in federal law, and we know that the conditions for Joe Biden and Kamala Harris to claim those titles have been met. QED.
Has the Electoral College voted already?
No, then how can QED?
Here's an example of an easy correction.
Presidential Transition Act: https://www.gsa.gov/cdnstatic/Presidential_Act_of_1963.pdf
(definition of President-elect and Vice-President-elect in section 3, paragraph c.)
Letter of ascertainment from the head of the GSA: https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/gop-senator-business-leaders-urge-prompt-biden-transition/2020/11/23/1ab6cbae-2dc7-11eb-9dd6-2d0179981719_story.html
The hand recount in Georgia did not prove out this "Dominion machines rigged the election" claim.
The hand recount in Wisconsin did not prove out this "Dominion machines rigged the election" claim.
Tell me how many recounts it takes to at least put doubt in people's minds that this "Dominion machines rigged the election" conspiracy theory might not be legit?
Yup, but Mistwell is inherently dishonest, so...The hand recount in Georgia did not prove out this "Dominion machines rigged the election" claim.
The hand recount in Wisconsin did not prove out this "Dominion machines rigged the election" claim.
Tell me how many recounts it takes to at least put doubt in people's minds that this "Dominion machines rigged the election" conspiracy theory might not be legit?
The recounts were verifications of the previous results, not audits of whether there was subversion of the process. You know that very well.
The hand recount in Georgia did not prove out this "Dominion machines rigged the election" claim.
The hand recount in Wisconsin did not prove out this "Dominion machines rigged the election" claim.
Tell me how many recounts it takes to at least put doubt in people's minds that this "Dominion machines rigged the election" conspiracy theory might not be legit?
The recounts were verifications of the previous results, not audits of whether there was subversion of the process. You know that very well.
That is absolutely horrible logic. I can see why you get upset when people share videos about the actual allegations being made; it takes true ignorance of the allegations for arguments such as yours to have any effect.
There’s nothing to be cranky about Misty. We’ll just have to see what happens. Your type of republican is reviled more with every passing day, as shown by cratering ratings at Paul Ryan’s Fox News, now only supported by the boomerist of boomers.I really want to see Bill Kristol out of a job.
As I said upthread, the decision point is SCOTUS, or possibly whether Trump is willing to upset tradition entirely. I wouldn’t bet on his willingness to do that. But most importantly, the real need is to get all the RINOs out of the Republican Party or leave it behind.
And every day a greater number of red voters sees our two groups are not on the same side, dispelling an illusion that persisted for decades.
This development is much more important long-term than a trump presidency, if his ceiling for change is what the rest of the establishment is willing to do on his behalf but he is not willing to do himself.
And if he is willing to do it himself then the party purge happens anyway
Nothing to get cranky about.
There’s nothing to be cranky about Misty. We’ll just have to see what happens. Your type of republican is reviled more with every passing day, as shown by cratering ratings at Paul Ryan’s Fox News, now only supported by the boomerist of boomers.
As I said upthread, the decision point is SCOTUS, or possibly whether Trump is willing to upset tradition entirely. I wouldn’t bet on his willingness to do that. But most importantly, the real need is to get all the RINOs out of the Republican Party or leave it behind.
And every day a greater number of red voters sees our two groups are not on the same side, dispelling an illusion that persisted for decades.
This development is much more important long-term than a trump presidency, if his ceiling for change is what the rest of the establishment is willing to do on his behalf but he is not willing to do himself.
And if he is willing to do it himself then the party purge happens anyway
Nothing to get cranky about.
Here's an example of an easy correction.
Presidential Transition Act: https://www.gsa.gov/cdnstatic/Presidential_Act_of_1963.pdf
(definition of President-elect and Vice-President-elect in section 3, paragraph c.)
Letter of ascertainment from the head of the GSA: https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/gop-senator-business-leaders-urge-prompt-biden-transition/2020/11/23/1ab6cbae-2dc7-11eb-9dd6-2d0179981719_story.html
(c) The terms “President-elect” and “Vice-President-elect” as used in this Act shall mean such persons as are the apparent successful candidates for the office of the President and Vice President, respectively, as ascertained by the Administrator following the general elections held to determine the electors of the President and Vice-President in accordance with title 3, United States code, sections 1 and 2.
I really want to see Bill Kristol out of a job.
I don't watch Fox News and have not for probably a decade now.
I don't watch Fox News and have not for probably a decade now.
That’s just the issue. I also didn’t normally watch it. I was always told that FOX news was pretty much the least reliable of the major news channels. That simply isn’t the case anymore. After NYT and CNN had lied to my face a number of times I dropped them, and realized that FOX is actually more reliable on pure facts, and I checked this in areas that I know something about first hand. Fox news can be biased for sure. But many people are still stuck in the belief that left-leaning media are “more accurate and scientific”. No. Seriously, they are not.
I watched the BlazeTV and the Steve Turley video, which were at least short. I didn't watch the B Tatum video which was an hour and half. The Steve Turley video at least showed testimony being given in court. But what was being presented in court in their clip was the contents of an anonymous email!!! Turley acted shocked and outraged over the contents of the email -- I was shocked that a fucking anonymous email was being presented as evidence in court.
Furthermore, yeah, some people can be nuts, just grinding an axe, indulging fantasies, whatever. The seriousness of the events in question though--and the integrity of our election system--warrants thorough and comprehensive investigations.
Instead, what we get is told to sit down, shut up, there's nothing to see here. There's no fraud! There's no widespread fraud! There's no substantial fraud! and on and on--but little or no investigation. It's like a knee-jerk response, all of the talking heads repeating it all like a mantra. Meanwhile a whole bunch of people are screaming bullshit. Politicians, witnesses, mathematicians, cyber expert people, professional bookies, IT people, and so on.
Again, all's I hear from the MSM and Democrat talking heads and morons like Politifact--is the Reeing that it never happened, nothing to see here. Like Politifact can be trusted? *laughing* Like the MSM such as CNN and MSNBC can be trusted? No, they have never lied, distorted, or ignored the facts. They have never bent over to get plough fucked by their Democrat candidate or favourite ever, showering them with praise and glory and cock-sucking, while hiding or ignoring uncomfortable truths?
So, no, I don't feel such sources are trustworthy at all, in the slightest. I would trust my coffee girl at the restaurant more. She might not always be right or accurate--but she is not intentionally seeking to lie to me. The MSM outlets lie on a constant basis.
The most simple and easy way to investigate fraud would be a signature check on mail in votes.
I don't watch Fox News and have not for probably a decade now.
That’s just the issue. I also didn’t normally watch it. I was always told that FOX news was pretty much the least reliable of the major news channels. That simply isn’t the case anymore. After NYT and CNN had lied to my face a number of times I dropped them, and realized that FOX is actually more reliable on pure facts, and I checked this in areas that I know something about first hand. Fox news can be biased for sure. But many people are still stuck in the belief that left-leaning media are “more accurate and scientific”. No. Seriously, they are not.
I am certainly not trying to imply that a network like CNN is more reliable than Fox News. I don't watch any of them. There are better places to get accurate news than any 24 hour news network.
The most simple and easy way to investigate fraud would be a signature check on mail in votes.
The most simple and easy way to investigate fraud would be a signature check on mail in votes.
How would that work when ballots don't have signatures and they don't keep the envelopes?
I am not being disingenuous. The terms "President elect" and "Vice President elect" are defined in federal law, and we know that the conditions for Joe Biden and Kamala Harris to claim those titles have been met. QED.
Has the Electoral College voted already?
No, then how can QED?
Here's an example of an easy correction.
Presidential Transition Act: https://www.gsa.gov/cdnstatic/Presidential_Act_of_1963.pdf
(definition of President-elect and Vice-President-elect in section 3, paragraph c.)
This tracks with Bush v Gore, where the transition was delayed until December because the election was contested.
https://www.marketwatch.com/story/trump-administration-denies-biden-access-to-transition-funds-echoing-2000-bush-gore-standoff-11604950154
(And now I linked to an article behind a paywall. Fuckin internet.)
QuoteLetter of ascertainment from the head of the GSA: https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/gop-senator-business-leaders-urge-prompt-biden-transition/2020/11/23/1ab6cbae-2dc7-11eb-9dd6-2d0179981719_story.html
Paywall.
Here's an example of an easy correction.
Presidential Transition Act: https://www.gsa.gov/cdnstatic/Presidential_Act_of_1963.pdf
(definition of President-elect and Vice-President-elect in section 3, paragraph c.)
Letter of ascertainment from the head of the GSA: https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/gop-senator-business-leaders-urge-prompt-biden-transition/2020/11/23/1ab6cbae-2dc7-11eb-9dd6-2d0179981719_story.html
When did I become the fucking US Electoral fact checker:Quote(c) The terms “President-elect” and “Vice-President-elect” as used in this Act shall mean such persons as are the apparent successful candidates for the office of the President and Vice President, respectively, as ascertained by the Administrator following the general elections held to determine the electors of the President and Vice-President in accordance with title 3, United States code, sections 1 and 2.
So again, how can QED?
But if Rawma posts something in any tone about how Donald Trump is our savior, I know I'm reading verbal sarcasm.
The most simple and easy way to investigate fraud would be a signature check on mail in votes.
How would that work when ballots don't have signatures and they don't keep the envelopes?
I am not being disingenuous. The terms "President elect" and "Vice President elect" are defined in federal law, and we know that the conditions for Joe Biden and Kamala Harris to claim those titles have been met. QED.
Has the Electoral College voted already?
No, then how can QED?
Here's an example of an easy correction.
Presidential Transition Act: https://www.gsa.gov/cdnstatic/Presidential_Act_of_1963.pdf
(definition of President-elect and Vice-President-elect in section 3, paragraph c.)
This tracks with Bush v Gore, where the transition was delayed until December because the election was contested.
https://www.marketwatch.com/story/trump-administration-denies-biden-access-to-transition-funds-echoing-2000-bush-gore-standoff-11604950154
(And now I linked to an article behind a paywall. Fuckin internet.)
This is nothing like 2000, which was driven by actual uncertainty of the outcome; this is entirely driven by Trump's ego and narcissism.
In 2000, Bush leading in Florida by 537 votes (out of nearly 6 million) had 271 electoral votes. (Gore did not contest New Hampshire, which Bush led by only 7,211 votes, closer than any Biden win in this election - flipping that would also have given Gore the win.) Recounts in the current election have certainly been able to shift totals by more than 537 votes (but not 7000+), and Trump would be well justified in lengthily contesting states that were as close as Florida was in 2000. Subsequent recounts by media groups showed that Gore might have won Florida under some consistent standards of counting; the Supreme Court blocked the recount in process and ran out the clock, remanding just before the safe harbor deadline provided for in federal law. That was a reasonable delay in transition activities, if not ideal; the outcome was truly uncertain before the Supreme Court ruling.
However, Bush and key staff did receive full intelligence briefings during the delayed transition; but access to most agencies (for example, to get background checks by the FBI on proposed appointees) was generally impeded. (The 9/11 commission put some blame on the delay, but it was almost 8 months after Bush was inaugurated and I would hope you could catch up by then. Bush reportedly blew off a warning in the Presidential Daily Briefing well before 9/11.) I won't provide a link to the Andy Card and John Podesta (White House chiefs of staff for Bush and Clinton, respectively) op-ed that discusses this because it's at the Washington Post website so same paywall; published on November 10th, they called for an immediate recognition of the then obvious outcome, to avoid harmful delay. By contrast with 2000, we are now deep in the third surge of a pandemic that's killed 250,000 and trashed the economy; until Biden was recognized as President-elect, he and his transition team pandemic response experts were blocked from talking to administration experts (like Dr. Fauci) and there may be many preventable deaths just from that delay.
"... apparent successful candidates "Quote(c) The terms “President-elect” and “Vice-President-elect” as used in this Act shall mean such persons as are the apparent successful candidates for the office of the President and Vice President, respectively, as ascertained by the Administrator following the general elections held to determine the electors of the President and Vice-President in accordance with title 3, United States code, sections 1 and 2.
So again, how can QED?
I have procured come more information in the hopes of stimulating the debates currently slowing down in this thread. I even placed a few CONSPIRACY THEORIES for those interested. For those not interested, don't worry, be happy! ;D And, AWAY WE GO:
Here's an example of an easy correction.
Presidential Transition Act: https://www.gsa.gov/cdnstatic/Presidential_Act_of_1963.pdf
(definition of President-elect and Vice-President-elect in section 3, paragraph c.)
Letter of ascertainment from the head of the GSA: https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/gop-senator-business-leaders-urge-prompt-biden-transition/2020/11/23/1ab6cbae-2dc7-11eb-9dd6-2d0179981719_story.html
When did I become the fucking US Electoral fact checker:Quote(c) The terms “President-elect” and “Vice-President-elect” as used in this Act shall mean such persons as are the apparent successful candidates for the office of the President and Vice President, respectively, as ascertained by the Administrator following the general elections held to determine the electors of the President and Vice-President in accordance with title 3, United States code, sections 1 and 2.
So again, how can QED?
Wow, I thought you were trolling but you're actually confused, something trolls don't generally feign. It's simple logic.
Only the President-elect, as ascertained by the head of the GSA, can receive funding, access, etc as provided for in the Presidential Transition Act.
Joe Biden is receiving those things because the head of the GSA rather belatedly said he could.
Therefore, he must be the President-elect.
In propositional logic, the premises are: if A then P; if not A then not F; F.
The second is equivalent to if F then A, the contrapositive.
Apply modus ponens ("the rule of logic stating that if a conditional statement (“if p then q ”) is accepted, and the antecedent ( p ) holds, then the consequent ( q ) may be inferred") twice:
From F and if F then A one can deduce A.
From A and if A then P one can deduce P.
A is "The head of the GSA has ascertained that Biden is the apparently successful candidate for president".
P is "Biden is the President-elect".
F is "Biden is receiving funding, access, etc under the Presidential Transition Act".
QED.
(Another possibility would be that GSA Administrator Emily Murphy is violating the law; Trump appointees do that fairly often. But she wrote the letter, and that's ascertainment, no matter how peevish the letter, And it's not really in Donald Trump's interest that she violate the law in this way (because it bruises his ego, not because he cares about the law), so you'd think he would do something about it between golf outings.)
This is how it is easy to reach the conclusion not enough evidence to counter the election results....but I am sure that stuff was tossed for good reasons, despite this being a MONUMENTAL increase in the number of mail in ballots.The most simple and easy way to investigate fraud would be a signature check on mail in votes.
How would that work when ballots don't have signatures and they don't keep the envelopes?
Yes, how can you check the evidence when you throw it away?
That is a real head scratcher.
Arizona
Kelli Ward, who leads the Republican Party of Arizona, is challenging the election results, arguing that the state’s vote-by-mail procedures are too lax, and that observers were not able to verify the ballots being counted. She wants the state’s certification of the election results to be set aside until the signatures that accompany absentee ballots can be reviewed.
Georgia
Sidney Powell is suing to block the certification of results and toss out mail-in ballots because of alleged faults in the Dominion voting machines and the Smartmatic software. A lawsuit by the Thomas More Society also argues that the Mark Zuckerberg-funded Center for Technology and Civic Life (CTCL) funded public “safe elections” operations in predominantly Democratic countries, violating state law and also violating the Constitution’s Equal Protection Clause.
Michigan
Sidney Powell has a lawsuit similar to the Michigan suit. The Amistad Project of the Thomas More Society is suing over Secretary of State Jocelyn Benson’s decision to send absentee ballot request forms to every registered voter, allegedly with no authority and lax standards. It argues observers were not allowed proper oversight, and cites affidavits stating some ballots were counted multiple times, among other irregularities. It also cites Zuckerberg and CTCL’s efforts.
Nevada
In Law v. Whitmer, the Trump campaign has sued six electors for Joe Biden on behalf of six Republican electors, alleging that Nevada authorities “developed an implemented an election system that was highly susceptible to fraud and abuse.” The lawsuit specifically claims that with a flood of mail-in ballots, officials in Clark County (home to Las Vegas) used electronic verification methods that are allegedly unreliable. It also lists other problems, such as computer malfunctions.
Pennsylvania
There are several active cases. Two are particularly important. The Pennsylvania Supreme Court rejected a Republican challenge last week to the state’s vote-by-mail law, Act 77 of 2019, citing the doctrine of laches — i.e. because it supposedly came too late, and after Republicans had a chance to sue in the primary election. The Third Circuit Court of Appeals tossed out the Trump campaign’s effort to block certification. Both cases have been appealed to the Supreme Court.
Wisconsin
A lawsuit by the Amos Center for Justice and Liberty seeks to have the state’s mail-in ballots that were placed in drop-off boxes invalidated, on the grounds that the boxes were illegal. Another lawsuit by the Wisconsin Voters Alliance also targets Zuckerberg’s donations to CTCL. It also says the state illegally relaxed voter ID by letting hundreds of thousands of voters claim they were “indefinitely confined,” tainting the results, which separate Biden and Trump by about 20,000 votes.
This is nothing like 2000, which was driven by actual uncertainty of the outcome; this is entirely driven by Trump's ego and narcissism.
Hyperbole. Many people aside from Trump are suspicious and have questions about the election results. I am suspicious and have questions about the election results. I have the luxury of being patient and seeing how this all shakes out, because I'm not the one who ran for President.
There's an older and more authoritative definition, though. It's not formally defined in the Constitution, but it's strongly implied. And unlike the GSA admin's assessment, it's based on reality not a projection. It's when the Electoral Collage votes, and picks a president. (Or the same happens via one of the contingent methods, as described in the Constitution.) That's the final, conclusive determination of the President-elect.
A third definition is when states with 270 electoral votes certify their results. Which isn't final, because states choose their electors, and electors can do what they want.
The fourth definition is when one of the major candidates concedes.
The fifth and weakest definition is based on various third party projections (like the AP's) shortly after the election results come in.
But the projections are for Biden, the cases disputing the results are winding down, states have begun to certify their results, and the GSA admin's letter has started the transition process in his favor. He's almost certainly going to become the President-elect, so terms like "presumed President-elect" or "presumptive President-elect" are appropriate. But stating that he is the President-elect, full stop, with no qualifications, is simply incorrect.
It's an easy mistake, given the weight of tradition, so it's no surprise people were initially confused, and it took a while to work out the details. But at this point, the news media have had plenty of time to look it over, correct themselves, and put a qualifier in front President-elect. Since they've chosen not to, that means they're deliberately lying.
Kool-aid overdose (sour grape flavor). They've looked it over and stuck with it because it's true. Media mostly prefer the fifth definition you list, because it flatters them with the most importance. But I encourage you or Trump to sue Fox News over this. Be aware that they've defended lawsuits by claiming they're entertainment rather than news, and Sean Hannity recently admitted that he doesn't vet the information on his show.You're making up fantasies about me.
Note that many media are also referring to Biden as the 46th President; that's one thing Trump could prevent, by resigning and making Biden 47th (or beyond). Add that demand to your lawsuit, please, for the entertainment value.
Do you even read your own sources?
This is how it is easy to reach the conclusion not enough evidence to counter the election results....but I am sure that stuff was tossed for good reasons, despite this being a MONUMENTAL increase in the number of mail in ballots.
Do you even read your own sources?
That is true, not even one of them. And have I talked about how Trump is our savior?
You do realize absentee ballots and this year's mail in are not the same thing, I know you do, so you are intentionally comparing things as the same, when you know they are not. As for what a "republican" does, who fucking cares? Why on earth would I care?This is how it is easy to reach the conclusion not enough evidence to counter the election results....but I am sure that stuff was tossed for good reasons, despite this being a MONUMENTAL increase in the number of mail in ballots.
As far as I know, in cases where the envelopes were tossed -- they were tossed because that has *always* been the procedure. Yes, there was a big increase in mail-in ballots this election, but we've seen increasing mail-in ballots for the past two decades, and that's been happening in both conservative and liberal states. The 2016 election had over 20% of its votes as mail-in, plus 17% early voting.
To be clear, I'm in favor of increased security election procedures. I dislike especially electronic-only (DRE) voting machines, and I would consider it reasonable to change the process to require filing and keeping all ballot envelopes.
But in general, these are the same procedures that we've had in place for years. These election procedures were set up and kept in place by *Republican* state administrations in many cases. It's not a mark of suspicion that elections have followed the same procedures as 2016.
You're making up fantasies about me.
You're irrational and insane.
Addressing your less bugfuck crazy shit: The President-elect is not defined by the press, the GSA has no authority over who becomes president, Trump's tweet was ambiguous and he clarified it was not a concession, and just because something is almost certain to happen doesn't mean that it's already happened. Using President-elect to refer to Biden without a caveat like "presumptive" is simply incorrect. It may be acceptable in casual situations, as a shortcut, as long as everyone knows the presumptive is implied. But in professional works were precision is important, like the news, it's just wrong.
Far as I can tell, the two of you are the same person. Your posts are exactly the same in every way.You're making up fantasies about me.
No, that's jeff37923's thing.
You should talk to your doppelganger Jeff, he thinks I'm a left-winger. You're both idiots.You're irrational and insane.
Projection from a right-winger like Pat? Nobody could have anticipated such a thing.
I think the way we use and words and how we argue matter, more than the positions we take. That's why I rarely state a position, and merely correct an error or provide some information. I think people can make up their own minds, and what I believe isn't relevant to that decision. So if Hillary Clinton contested the results in 2016, and there was a similar level of ambiguity, then absolutely yes I would have made the same arguments.Addressing your less bugfuck crazy shit: The President-elect is not defined by the press, the GSA has no authority over who becomes president, Trump's tweet was ambiguous and he clarified it was not a concession, and just because something is almost certain to happen doesn't mean that it's already happened. Using President-elect to refer to Biden without a caveat like "presumptive" is simply incorrect. It may be acceptable in casual situations, as a shortcut, as long as everyone knows the presumptive is implied. But in professional works were precision is important, like the news, it's just wrong.
The title President-elect states an expectation as to who will become president after the election but before they are sworn in; it would be wrong to use it before Election Day, of course, no matter how certain you are. Ascertaining who the President-elect is, is certainly a function of the GSA administrator, as assigned by federal law. Ascertaining anyone but Biden to be President-elect would have no effect on who becomes President but would have gotten Emily Murphy in a lot of trouble; she was already subpoenaed over the delay (because it is bad for the country to delay presidential transition activities, not because anyone was peeved like you are).
I doubt you were as pedantic in 2016.
As far as I know, in cases where the envelopes were tossed -- they were tossed because that has *always* been the procedure. Yes, there was a big increase in mail-in ballots this election, but we've seen increasing mail-in ballots for the past two decades, and that's been happening in both conservative and liberal states. The 2016 election had over 20% of its votes as mail-in, plus 17% early voting.
To be clear, I'm in favor of increased security election procedures. I dislike especially electronic-only (DRE) voting machines, and I would consider it reasonable to change the process to require filing and keeping all ballot envelopes.
But in general, these are the same procedures that we've had in place for years. These election procedures were set up and kept in place by *Republican* state administrations in many cases. It's not a mark of suspicion that elections have followed the same procedures as 2016.
When absentee ballots are received by Georgia’s election officials, the signature on the envelope is matched to other signatures that are part of the voter’s record. Once that is verified, the envelope containing the signature is separated from the ballot to protect the secrecy of the voter’s choice. Voters whose signatures do not match those on record are notified and asked for clarification.
The envelopes and ballots are retained for two years. But because they have been separated to protect voters’ privacy, there is no longer a way to match ballots to envelopes. As such, rechecking signatures in a recount would be meaningless.
Republicans are in some cases calling for proportional reductions (i.e., reduce the vote totals of each candidate in proportion to their original vote total based on envelopes challenged - if half the votes were from envelopes that were thrown out, both candidates lose half their votes), going by county level or other subdivision (it would be meaningless on a statewide basis, as the margin would be reduced but the winner would remain the same). But that could lead to gaming the system: if your candidate has minority support in your county or whatever subdivision then you should try to have your signature just good enough to pass the initial verification but to contain a hidden flaw that can be challenged later and statistically remove more votes from your candidate's opponent.That's a terrible idea. Piecemeal solutions give the judges too much discretion. That's exactly how cronyism/regulatory capture works, and in situations like this would give them an infinite variety of ways to subtly influence the election with impenetrable rationales. Even if we assume most judges try to be fair and impartial, that would create a near irresistible temptation, as well as an avenue for unconscious biases.
Many election challenges are being thrown out by judges because they were brought over a variety of long-standing procedures which are apparently only being challenged because the plaintiff didn't like the election outcome.That's irrelevant. The only people who contest elections are those with skin in the game, and you need to have standing to bring a suit, so anyone who does is going to have an investment in changing the outcome. It's an inherent feature of an adversarial legal system. What's needed are clear standards that allow consistent rulings, regardless of who brings the suit.
This is nothing like 2000, which was driven by actual uncertainty of the outcome; this is entirely driven by Trump's ego and narcissism.
Hyperbole. Many people aside from Trump are suspicious and have questions about the election results. I am suspicious and have questions about the election results. I have the luxury of being patient and seeing how this all shakes out, because I'm not the one who ran for President.
The people who are suspicious and have questions about the election results are either coddling Trump (to avoid getting fired, attacked, or losing votes in their next election) or are part of the grift, either as perpetrators, unwitting collaborators or marks. Bill Barr says no evidence of sufficient fraud to change anything; Chris Krebs got fired for saying as much. Numerous Republicans stand by the integrity of the election they ran in their state. Many Congressional Republicans privately want Trump to give it up, but won't say so in public.
Far as I can tell, the two of you are the same person.You're making up fantasies about me.
No, that's jeff37923's thing.
You should talk to your doppelganger Jeff, he thinks I'm a left-winger. You're both idiots.You're irrational and insane.
Projection from a right-winger like Pat? Nobody could have anticipated such a thing.
I think the way we use and words and how we argue matter, more than the positions we take. That's why I rarely state a position, and merely correct an error or provide some information.
And if President-elect was just an expectation, then we'd use the term before the election, based on what the polls were saying. It's more than an expectation, it requires confirmation.
Republicans are in some cases calling for proportional reductions (i.e., reduce the vote totals of each candidate in proportion to their original vote total based on envelopes challenged - if half the votes were from envelopes that were thrown out, both candidates lose half their votes), going by county level or other subdivision (it would be meaningless on a statewide basis, as the margin would be reduced but the winner would remain the same). But that could lead to gaming the system: if your candidate has minority support in your county or whatever subdivision then you should try to have your signature just good enough to pass the initial verification but to contain a hidden flaw that can be challenged later and statistically remove more votes from your candidate's opponent.That's a terrible idea. Piecemeal solutions give the judges too much discretion. That's exactly how cronyism/regulatory capture works, and in situations like this would give them an infinite variety of ways to subtly influence the election with impenetrable rationales. Even if we assume most judges try to be fair and impartial, that would create a near irresistible temptation, as well as an avenue for unconscious biases.
As I argued before, the only real solution to voting improprieties like that is the nuclear option of throwing out all ballots that don't meet the auditing standard. It's a damn shame they're so hesitant to do so, because the threat of having your vote thrown away is the strongest possible deterrent, and would ensure that all precincts have every possible incentive to ensure every possible procedures is followed to the letter, or the elected officials would face the wrath of the voters.
Many election challenges are being thrown out by judges because they were brought over a variety of long-standing procedures which are apparently only being challenged because the plaintiff didn't like the election outcome.That's irrelevant. The only people who contest elections are those with skin the game, and you need to have standing to bring a suit, so anyone who does is going to have an investment in changing the outcome. It's an inherent feature of an adversarial legal system. What's needed are clear standards that allow consistent rulings, regardless of who brings the suit.
The people who are suspicious and have questions about the election results are either coddling Trump (to avoid getting fired, attacked, or losing votes in their next election) or are part of the grift, either as perpetrators, unwitting collaborators or marks. Bill Barr says no evidence of sufficient fraud to change anything; Chris Krebs got fired for saying as much. Numerous Republicans stand by the integrity of the election they ran in their state. Many Congressional Republicans privately want Trump to give it up, but won't say so in public.
I'm not employed by Trump or getting any 'grift' from his administration. Neither are all the people polled by Reuters who suspect fraud of some sort.
The people who are suspicious and have questions about the election results are either coddling Trump (to avoid getting fired, attacked, or losing votes in their next election) or are part of the grift, either as perpetrators, unwitting collaborators or marks. Bill Barr says no evidence of sufficient fraud to change anything; Chris Krebs got fired for saying as much. Numerous Republicans stand by the integrity of the election they ran in their state. Many Congressional Republicans privately want Trump to give it up, but won't say so in public.
I'm not employed by Trump or getting any 'grift' from his administration. Neither are all the people polled by Reuters who suspect fraud of some sort.
That makes you one of the unwitting collaborators. Trump spends $3 million in Wisconsin on a recount but pulls in $170 million, mostly not to contest the election but going to whatever Trump's PAC will do next. The lawyers filing the same allegations over and over again are among the grifters, but if any are true believers they may be sacrificing their reputations and bar membership and thus number among the marks. Some of them, like Giuliani, are probably grifting Trump.
In 2016, anyone who gave money to Jill Stein for any recounts were the marks; people who believed there was something to it and encouraged the marks were the unwitting collaborators.
Your only objection to the current President-elect declaration that wouldn't have applied in all the elections since 2000 is that Trump hasn't formally conceded to your satisfaction. And you declared that every news medium daring to use the term as it's always been used is lying. You are very concerned over the voting irregularities in the current election but apparently no other. You've posted questionable stuff from conservative sources in this thread. And yet you are surprised to be thought a right-winger?No Jeff, that's not the only difference. The key difference is the election in 2016 wasn't contested, so none of this came to light. They were wrong then, and they're wrong now. But now they know better, so they're not just mistaken, they're actively lying. Which you should know, since I explicitly made that point the first time I said the media were lying.
Just in this back and forth, you asserted that the media are lying, big and small, from Fox News to the New York Times. Not mistaken, not self-aggrandizing, not following each other sheep-like, not sincerely convinced by the Presidential Transition Act. You said lying. Discrediting the media so universally is very right-wing, and of course the lie they are telling is exactly what Republicans want to be considered a lie.
Your position-less posts just coincidentally support right-wing positions.No, they really don't. One point contradicted something you believe, and you immediately jumped to the conclusion that I'm right-wing, cherry-picked a few superficial examples you could stretch to support that conclusion, and ignored everything that contradicted it. For instance, have you missed how I said that Biden will almost certainly become President-elect, literally every single time I replied to you? It's not a huge step from that to realizing that I don't care much about this election. It looks like we'll end up with a split Congress. Which we've had under Trump, and would still have even if Trump somehow managed to win a legal victory. Either way, gridlock. And realistically, that's the most I could ever hope for in an election. What I do care about is the election process, which badly needs the attention it's been getting.
"I think the way we use and words and how we argue" (sic) makes me laugh. Edit your post, Pat, if your words matter that much.That's just sad.
"Piecemeal" is a reference to the proportional solutions. Judges should rule on the law, not invent creative new processes.Republicans are in some cases calling for proportional reductions (i.e., reduce the vote totals of each candidate in proportion to their original vote total based on envelopes challenged - if half the votes were from envelopes that were thrown out, both candidates lose half their votes), going by county level or other subdivision (it would be meaningless on a statewide basis, as the margin would be reduced but the winner would remain the same). But that could lead to gaming the system: if your candidate has minority support in your county or whatever subdivision then you should try to have your signature just good enough to pass the initial verification but to contain a hidden flaw that can be challenged later and statistically remove more votes from your candidate's opponent.That's a terrible idea. Piecemeal solutions give the judges too much discretion. That's exactly how cronyism/regulatory capture works, and in situations like this would give them an infinite variety of ways to subtly influence the election with impenetrable rationales. Even if we assume most judges try to be fair and impartial, that would create a near irresistible temptation, as well as an avenue for unconscious biases.
What's a terrible idea--what the Republicans request, or the consequence I imagine if it became a common remedy? I'm not advocating either, just pointing out a possible consequence, that it could become another dirty trick if challenges to envelopes succeed when the ballots are no longer associated and so remove effectively random ballots.
Laches may be relevant in some of the cases, but not in others. There were some suits that were thrown out before the election, because no harm had occurred yet. You can't argue that you have to wait until after, and then afterwards argue that should have raised the issue before. If it's about changing the rules, then of course that should happen between elections. There are plenty of examples that should be addressed.Many election challenges are being thrown out by judges because they were brought over a variety of long-standing procedures which are apparently only being challenged because the plaintiff didn't like the election outcome.That's irrelevant. The only people who contest elections are those with skin the game, and you need to have standing to bring a suit, so anyone who does is going to have an investment in changing the outcome. It's an inherent feature of an adversarial legal system. What's needed are clear standards that allow consistent rulings, regardless of who brings the suit.
Um, laches and unclean hands and other forms of sleeping on your rights are highly relevant. Contest an election process you don't like before you find out how the election comes out. The appropriate remedy to ask for and possibly grant is to modify the policy for future elections; that probably doesn't require a judge (except where something is unconstitutional), since the changes can be made by the legislatures or rule-making entities. (Might be particularly difficult if a constitutional requirement blocks a desired reform; the challenge then is to amend the constitution.)
Republicans and the Trump campaign had skin in the game before the election, but didn't challenge many things that were known in advance. They got tossed repeatedly in Pennsylvania for contesting, after this election, something that was voted in a year earlier and used in elections before the general election. Don't reward insincere election challenges brought because they lost. (If you really could find enough fraud to call into question the outcome, then throwing out the election would be appropriate; e.g., that North Carolina congressional district in 2018.)
Reminder: so far, the election challenges have NOT asserted fraud in court, no matter what the trash talk is in press conferences or social media.
Greetings!Justice is rarely a unitary executive unilaterally declaring people traitors, and then shipping them off to indefinite detention.
I stand with our President. President Trump should have all of the traitors, all of the corrupt poll workers, election officials, politicians--have them all arrested and sent to Guantanamo. Dominion servers need to be seized everywhere, in every state. Suspicious elections need to be fully audited--not merely "recounted." Justice needs to prevail, and a terrible wrath and judgment needs to be poured out without mercy on those that have drank deeply from the wine of treason!
Semper Fidelis,
SHARK
First they said there was no proof.
We found some proof.
Then they said the proof was fud.
We found more proof.
Then they said 'gimme the numbers'.
We found some numbers.
Now they say: TOO MUCH! TOO MUCH! INFORMATION OVERLOAD!
My reply: Welcome to 2020, where 20/20 is debated!
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Since the last post, I've noticed more people here are past debating it, or even RESEARCHING IT! If I've the time to dredge this stuff up from the interwebs, the least an intellectual can do is at least post a counter. AH! No counter to what I'm posting, but still good reactions! The SILENCE is deafening! Must be difficult when potential evidence showing fraud, with actual proofs, to gaslight anyone now. HAH!
Links: https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2020/12/driving-completed-ballots-ny-pennsylvania-decided-speak-update-usps-contract-truck-driver-transferred-288000-fraudulent-ballots-ny-pa-speaks-presser/
https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2020/12/02/ex-usps-subcontractor-says-colleagues-ordered-to-backdate-ballots/
Synopsis: The Amistad Project said that they have sworn declarations that state over 300,000 ballots are at issue in Arizona, 548,000 in Michigan, 204,000 in Georgia, and over 121,000 in Pennsylvania. They claim that their evidence reveals multi-state illegal efforts by USPS workers to influence the election in at least three of six swing states. This new information was made public at a press conference by the Amistad Project of the Thomas More Society, a national constitutional litigation organization. (Not a Neo-Naht-See organization! Honest!)
What it means: If true, then everyone screaming this was the MOST HONEST ELECTION EVER has been proven wrong. I say, let's see the evidence when it's presented in court!
Link: https://twitter.com/CodeMonkeyZ/status/1333999521383079936
https://twitter.com/SidneyPowell1/status/1334164586245873666
https://justthenews.com/politics-policy/elections/judge-allows-trump-campaign-attorneys-review-tests-clark-county-voting
Synopsis: Dominion Techs were copying data from the voting machines in order to audit (get the current numbers) of the election by using 3rd party software (like Excel) in violation of the law. Dominion machines are also being removed and possibly evidence of fraud destroyed. On Monday, Judge James T. Russell granted a motion from President Trump’s reelect campaign that will allow attorneys for the campaign to inspect a sealed container of test results for the equipment used in the Nov. 3 election. It is unclear whether the attorneys will have access to the actual equipment or just the test results inside the sealed container.
What It means: If a widespread voter fraud scheme is true, then this points to one of the methods used in that scheme. Destruction of possible evidence is a crime, even if it is circumstantial. This scheme could be uncovered by observing and testing votes and equipment. If there is evidence of fraud here, it is likely it will be assumed elsewhere.
Link: https://www.breitbart.com/2020-election/2020/12/02/official-doj-will-continue-pursue-all-specific-credible-allegations-2020-election-fraud/
https://twitter.com/CBS_Herridge/status/1333937356185997312
Synopsis: Some media outlets have incorrectly reported that the Department has concluded its investigation of election fraud and announced an affirmative finding of no fraud in the election. That is not what the Associated Press reported nor what the Attorney General stated. The Department will continue to receive and vigorously pursue all specific and credible allegations of fraud as expeditiously as possible.
What It means: The media is not being entirely honest, but may instead operating under MOCKINGBIRD ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Mockingbird ) conditions. This would be logical, considering the ABSOLUTE control needed during the 'Great (Economic) Reset' - read Agenda 21/2030. The goal is a complete Corporatocracy combined with Technocracy (for the Elites) in which a Communist-Fascist social order is created with every NON-ELITE being tracked and working for Social Credit (the sci-fi CREDITS we heard so much about in fiction). By using the media (controlled by only a few Corporations and Banks) to pit various sides against each other, they can 'ALTER REALITY' as per their magic system beliefs. This would allow foreign operatives under U.N. Peacekeeping guise to round up Conservatives, Traditionalists, Free Thinkers, Christians and Jews for American CONCENTRATION CAMPS without the general population being aware or being shamed into silence/compliance - see BLM/ANTIFA aquiescence by poliice/politicos/retailers/et al. This is the goal of some of the people here who: A) Despise Free Thinking, B) Despise Free Speech, C) Despise Free People, D) Have some sort of fetish for LARPing their love for RPGs, in particular OSR RPGs.
I don't expect people to believe what I say, BUT - I can assure you, those in the know want me dead. Why? Answer is obvious: I've got a big mouth and I REFUSE TO SHUT IT!
Note: Commentary on this thread (as well as others): As we see in this thread about lack of evidence equating to Conspiracy Theories and Covid-19 questions as 'unscientific heresy' by 'TERRORISTS' -- which should throw up a red flag to anyone being honest, since THAT IS THE START OF THE NEW ORDER'S GENOCIDE!) The links provided show circumstancial evidence of this - remember the 'Free Speech Zones' under Obama, and the initial reporting of beatings and rapes? A telltale sign - we are in this together, we are fighting WWIII but because the Mainstream News will not speak the truth... It apparently will not exist until Trump orders REX-84/86 ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rex_84 ), AKA JADE HELM, which he WILL DO ( https://www.foxnews.com/politics/trump-declares-national-emergency-coronavirus || https://iotwreport.com/2020-election-took-place-under-a-trump-declared-national-emergency/ || https://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2020/11/whats_kraken.html ) - the 'party-hardy' period is OVER guys, and over for good. Therefore, it is imperative to know WHOSE SIDE ARE YOU ON? Choose wisely, either way the camps are all set and ready to go! If you think this isn't about a 'HOSTILE TAKEOVER', then I feel sorry for you. Trump is the closer - the one who is the last President.
So, CHOOSE: A Constitutional North American Republic --OR-- A Stratified Slave-Labor Commu-Facsist Global Governing Council On HUMAN RESOURCE MANAGEMENT AND DISPOSAL.
Unfortunately, I've chosen the THIRD OPTION. But I'm not ready to discuss that here yet.
Far as I can tell, the two of you are the same person.You're making up fantasies about me.
No, that's jeff37923's thing.
Oh. That is the cruelest thing anyone has ever said to me at this site.
Posted from the burn ward. Thoughts and prayers to jeff37923 at whatever burn ward he might be in.QuoteYou should talk to your doppelganger Jeff, he thinks I'm a left-winger. You're both idiots.You're irrational and insane.
Projection from a right-winger like Pat? Nobody could have anticipated such a thing.
Ohmigod! It is like when two of your buddies find each other on Match.Com! I am verklempt! I wish only the best for the two of you! Go forth! Get a room and hurry up making some little bambinos! Mazel Tov! Don't forget your fursuits!Whatever you say, Rawma.
Site video of poll workers pulling suitcases of ballots out from under tables, and processing them, after telling everyone to leave because they were stopping the countDo you have another source for that video? I get told it no longer exists when I try to follow your link.
https://twitter.com/nickernation/status/1334568086754701314?s=21
Site video of poll workers pulling suitcases of ballots out from under tables, and processing them, after telling everyone to leave because they were stopping the countDo you have another source for that video? I get told it no longer exists when I try to follow your link.
https://twitter.com/nickernation/status/1334568086754701314?s=21
Seems ok to me. Maybe just blocked in the US?
Seems ok to me. Maybe just blocked in the US?
They removed the whole account just now. I saw the video a few minutes ago, now I get "This Tweet is from an account that no longer exists".
I feel what lots of people may be missing, is the evidence does not have to rise to a courtroom standard to get something from it. It has to convince people in the country that they are the correct moral side for the next action. It will likely do that. Court does not matter so much. This is at a point where it can get way out of control fast. People on the left parroted foreign interference in 2016 and compared trump to hitler. They are all either liars or cowards, because pretty much none of them did what they should have done to depose a hitler. I suspect the reality is none of them really thought Russia had anything to do with Trump winning. I do think there are a good number of right leaning people who do in fact feel something criminal happened here. This is gasoline and playing with matches over the top of it.
Yes, looks like it is gone now.
Dont worry though, it was just a video of witnesses giving evidence about election irregularities.
However, the Patriot resistance is growing, day by day, hour by hour, as America sees more evidence of their treason, more evidence of their fraud, hears more testimony of fellow Americans witnessing such fraud and corruption--and the truth is spreading. For the intellectually slow--eye-witness testimony and sworn affidavits are *evidence*. In US courts, people go to prison or have been executed based precisely on such evidence.
A telltale sign - we are in this together, we are fighting WWIII but because the Mainstream News will not speak the truth... It apparently will not exist until Trump orders REX-84/86 ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rex_84 ), AKA JADE HELM, which he WILL DO ( https://www.foxnews.com/politics/trump-declares-national-emergency-coronavirus || https://iotwreport.com/2020-election-took-place-under-a-trump-declared-national-emergency/ || https://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2020/11/whats_kraken.html ) - the 'party-hardy' period is OVER guys, and over for good. Therefore, it is imperative to know WHOSE SIDE ARE YOU ON? Choose wisely, either way the camps are all set and ready to go! If you think this isn't about a 'HOSTILE TAKEOVER', then I feel sorry for you. Trump is the closer - the one who is the last President.
Try this one. Not quite as sharp because it’s a video of someone recording their TV, but same content, still sharp enough. Retweeted by a congressman so maybe twitter won’t nuke the account
https://twitter.com/congressmanhice/status/1334609467703521283?s=21
I think Rep Johnson seemed quite reasonable that multiple entries like this would result in an obvious discrepancy between the machine and the poll counts. She also claims there were zero registered voters in the poll books, which Rep Johnson disputed - and that's a matter of public record which can be checked.
QuoteI think Rep Johnson seemed quite reasonable that multiple entries like this would result in an obvious discrepancy between the machine and the poll counts. She also claims there were zero registered voters in the poll books, which Rep Johnson disputed - and that's a matter of public record which can be checked.
How is the poll count sausage made? I don't know and couldn't find it online - which isn't to say it isn't there. But I would be curious if the poll counts are objective, not created or influenced in any way by the same poll workers scanning the ballots.
For mail-in, it's the people who check the postmark and/or signature(s) of the official ballot envelope.
Coming from Crowder, this is probably one-sided info, but it sure does not sound good.That was interesting (and amusing too).
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5vjy3rCnmgE
For mail-in, it's the people who check the postmark and/or signature(s) of the official ballot envelope.
This is the part that matters, and why poll counts can't be considered a reliable cross-check.
Coming from Crowder, this is probably one-sided info, but it sure does not sound good.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5vjy3rCnmgE
5 days left until safe harbor day. All state election disputes—including court challenges and recounts—must be resolved by that date, in accordance with 3 U.S.C. § 5.
Electors vote Dec 14.
And Biden was grifting people to donate to his illegitimate "transition team". Lotta unwitting collaborators around.
If the hypothetical is that fraud is credibly cross-checked by poll counts, then the sum of the mail-in poll counts must be known and public before the tallying of the ballots by the other election workers starts.Also, all you really need is one person placed into a position of authority , and approx. 65-87% of the population would do as told (agentic state). This is why whistleblowers testimony is important - as well as hearings to vet them. For more info, see: https://www.simplypsychology.org/milgram.html
if the poll count is simultaneous with the ballot counting, then it's completely irrelevant as a cross check. They can come up with whatever poll count number they need at the end.
No, you don't need every single worker to be in on it. You really only need whoever releases the final total of the local, and the state, poll counts to be in on it (edit - and only a handful of local poll count supervisors - like in the biggest urban areas). If there's 524 individual poll books, and everyone knows the subtotal of only a portion out of 1 out of 524 local poll books that they reported up to the local poll count supervisor wearing the biden beanie, but takes the subtotal the entirety of the rest of their 1 local book not counted by themselves and also the entirety of the other 523 on faith, that's not some deeply-layered, hard-to-defraud system.
Yes, we're talking about an what would have to be a massively coordinated top-down group effort, driven state-by-state. Have you been paying attention to the last 60 pages of posts? We know elections are fixed like this all over the world. It isn't spontaneous, spastic-but-completely-isolated decisions to defraud that give leaders 98% of the vote in large tranches of votes.
"BUT IT WOULDN'T HAPPEN HERE THIS ISN'T NORTH KOREA". Sure, it's just a 25 trillion dollar economy that every country in the world has a stake in being ran a certain way.
Edit 2 - note this type of fraud would allow a legitimate voter to surely be able to look up their mail-in ballot and see that its counted...the fraud is in juicing the poll count to match fake ballots no one is going to look up because that voter is simply dead weight on the poorly-purged voter rolls. You don't have to screw around with failing to input legitimate voters to juice a poll count. You do all the legitimate voters legitimately, and then add the juice after.
@SHARK,First they said there was no proof.
---snippp---
Which reminds me, just recently, the "God-Emperor" just authorized the use of firing squads against those found guilty in federal courts.
That is definitely an interesting turn of events! *laughing*
Keep up the good work, consolcwby!
Semper Fidelis,
SHARK
Related, if there were to exist the situation at noon on January 20 of two simultaneous claims to the status of commander-in-chief—one from previously incumbent president claiming to have been declared re-elected by the outgoing vice president, and the other from the Speaker of the House claiming to assume the status of acting president given the House’s declaration that there is no president-elect because the electoral count remains disputed and incomplete—do military officials, including those responsible for control of nuclear weapons, wishing to obey the lawful commander-in-chief know how to decide who is the lawful commanderin-chief?Mr Kim may not know it, but it may take a full 6 MONTHS from now, not 2 like he stated. Let's see if Nostrodamus is correct on this...
Your only objection to the current President-elect declaration that wouldn't have applied in all the elections since 2000 is that Trump hasn't formally conceded to your satisfaction. And you declared that every news medium daring to use the term as it's always been used is lying.not the only difference.
If the hypothetical is that fraud is credibly cross-checked by poll counts, then the sum of the mail-in poll counts must be known and public before the tallying of the ballots by the other election workers starts.
if the poll count is simultaneous with the ballot counting, then it's completely irrelevant as a cross check. They can come up with whatever poll count number they need at
the end.
Edit 2 - note this type of fraud would allow a legitimate voter to surely be able to look up their mail-in ballot and see that its counted...the fraud is in juicing the poll count to match fake ballots no one is going to look up because that voter is simply dead weight on the poorly-purged voter rolls. You don't have to screw around with failing to input legitimate voters to juice a poll count. You do all the legitimate voters legitimately, and then add the juice after.
No, you don't need every single worker to be in on it. You really only need whoever releases the final total of the local, and the state, poll counts to be in on it (edit - and only a handful of local poll count supervisors - like in the biggest urban areas). If there's 524 individual poll books, and everyone knows the subtotal of only a portion out of 1 out of 524 local poll books that they reported up to the local poll count supervisor wearing the biden beanie, but takes the subtotal the entirety of the rest of their 1 local book not counted by themselves and also the entirety of the other 523 on faith, that's not some deeply-layered, hard-to-defraud system.
Greetings!Shush! You'll upset the 'MODERATE LEFT-LEANING COMPASSIONATES' here! Never discuss facts! It's ILLEGAL UNDER A HARRIS ADMINISTRATION!
Hodgetwins have the video of Democrats bringing out suitcases of hidden ballots--after ensuring that GOP Poll watchers and media were sent home. The votes were then added in secret in the middle of the night, after telling the GOP and Media that the vote counting was stopped.
We all know though that the filthy lying Liberal Democrats will cry that even video evidence is "Not substantial evidence!"
All the phony ballots need to be thrown the fuck out. Massive voting audits need to be done throughout the contested states.
And the lying, traitor Democrats need to be arrested and hung. All of these clerks and election flunkies and officials, yeah, they get hammered, too.
Semper Fidelis,
SHARK
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If the hypothetical is that fraud is credibly cross-checked by poll counts, then the sum of the mail-in poll counts must be known and public before the tallying of the ballots by the other election workers starts.
if the poll count is simultaneous with the ballot counting, then it's completely irrelevant as a cross check. They can come up with whatever poll count number they need at
the end.Edit 2 - note this type of fraud would allow a legitimate voter to surely be able to look up their mail-in ballot and see that its counted...the fraud is in juicing the poll count to match fake ballots no one is going to look up because that voter is simply dead weight on the poorly-purged voter rolls. You don't have to screw around with failing to input legitimate voters to juice a poll count. You do all the legitimate voters legitimately, and then add the juice after.
You claim "no one is going to look up" -- but yes, people can and do look this up -- especially the people whose job it is, like observers and workers in the local race. Every county has dozens of poll workers, including observers from both major parties. Again, the poll count is permanent public record. Yeah, I'll buy that someone can slip in a few names without getting caught because there are always a few errors. But adding in thousands of names into a precinct or county list? I don't buy that no one will catch that, especially given the scrutiny given this year.
The poll counts aren't like the secret ballot counts that are restricted access. They're clear public record, and lots of people can and do view them.No, you don't need every single worker to be in on it. You really only need whoever releases the final total of the local, and the state, poll counts to be in on it (edit - and only a handful of local poll count supervisors - like in the biggest urban areas). If there's 524 individual poll books, and everyone knows the subtotal of only a portion out of 1 out of 524 local poll books that they reported up to the local poll count supervisor wearing the biden beanie, but takes the subtotal the entirety of the rest of their 1 local book not counted by themselves and also the entirety of the other 523 on faith, that's not some deeply-layered, hard-to-defraud system.
Many if not most states report on a precinct level, not on a county level. So, for example, you can go here for the county-level results from Georgia.
https://results.enr.clarityelections.com/GA/105369/web.264614/#/reporting
There's 159 counties in Texas, and each are counted and reported individually. And it's not just one person reporting for a given county - there are multiple people working together who verify that their count is correct. So that would require 500 people. (If you go to the right side of the page, you can download county level data.) But counties also produce precinct level reports. So, for example, you can go into detail on Seminole County, and get the breakdown of each precinct.
https://results.enr.clarityelections.com/GA/Seminole/91765/Web02.221448/#/
Again, there's precinct-level data that can be downloaded on the right. There are thousands of precincts which are individually reported. Each of those precincts has multiple officials who have verified the total for that precinct. And there are separate public poll counts and secret ballot counts. And yes, there are people who download and examine that data.
That's not just a handful of people who would have to be in on the secret fraud plan. And we are letting anyone who claims to be a whistleblower to have their day in court, and give their testimony covered in public hearings.
Yes, it is.No, it's not, for all the reasons I spelled out.
How can I know Pat is pushing a right-wing perspective, just from the posts I'm replying to?
I'm a Democrat but no partisan extremist as Pat claimsYou're a partisan extremist because you immediately label anyone who disagrees with you as belonging to the other side of the political axis that that defines your simplistic, binary worldview. Even if you have to listen to dogwhistles nobody else can hear and ignore more than half of what they said, to make the label fit.
[talk about how I (Pat) favor a split Congress, regardless of which party holds the presidency]If you're A, and you admit someone else could be either B or C, then why are you insisting they're B? Especially since you're talking about a person, who has told you repeatedly they're not B, and gave examples why B doesn't fit. In addition, it requires a real contortion of logic to assume that someone who favors the hobbling of both A and B really supports B. Or that someone who supports limiting both A and B must be a disciple of Eris (C), because you can't conceive of an alphabet with more than 3 letters.
I will acknowledge that Pat could be some sort of anarchist simply rooting for more chaos;
You claim "no one is going to look up" -- but yes, people can and do look this up -- especially the people whose job it is, like observers and workers in the local race. Every county has dozens of poll workers, including observers from both major parties. Again, the poll count is permanent public record. Yeah, I'll buy that someone can slip in a few names without getting caught because there are always a few errors. But adding in thousands of names into a precinct or county list? I don't buy that no one will catch that, especially given the scrutiny given this year.You wouldn't have to add names to the voter roll that weren't on it and haven't been on it for some time. You use names that are already on the voter roll. "Yep we received a vote from Malcom Y. Add him to the poll roll". Malcom Y isn't *actually* voting and hasn't voted for a long time for various reasons (even though a ballot comes in from him every election) but his name is still registered to vote so nothing looks out of sorts when a ballot is received from Malcom, unless someone goes back and checks every name on the roll, cross-referencing the names to stuff like obituaries, postal address changes, legal name changes, etc. Which is happening this election, but doesn't usually...
We know we've had corruption in our elections for decades. Not on a handful-of-votes scale, but "how many voters do you need in Chicago, John Kennedy - we'll come in last and make sure its enough" scale. Let's not pretend that "oh its just a matter of cross-checking names on a spreadsheet and the fraud stands out like a sore thumb." Urban dem machines have done this all along, it's just on an entirely different scale this time because 4 more years of Trump simply can't be allowed.
EDIT - also, in a state like GA where the difference is less than 1% of the vote, you could make up a lot of that ground just by ... running mail in votes "rejected" for stuff like lack of date, missing a sig on the outside envelope, etc., through the machine in the middle of the night after the poll watchers go home and no one's watching. Voila: the "rejected" vote is un-rejected by the same people responsible for recording its rejection.
Greetings!I will agree that there is a strong appearance of improper conduct. Everywhere I've ever worked, the basic idea was that "if it looks improper, then treat it as improper" so as to stay above suspicion. They have failed on this point, yet that sadly seems common enough in politics.
Hodgetwins have the video of Democrats bringing out suitcases of hidden ballots--after ensuring that GOP Poll watchers and media were sent home. The votes were then added in secret in the middle of the night, after telling the GOP and Media that the vote counting was stopped.
We all know though that the filthy lying Liberal Democrats will cry that even video evidence is "Not substantial evidence!"
All the phony ballots need to be thrown the fuck out. Massive voting audits need to be done throughout the contested states.
And the lying, traitor Democrats need to be arrested and hung. All of these clerks and election flunkies and officials, yeah, they get hammered, too.
Semper Fidelis,
SHARK
Fixed that for you.
You're a poster on theRPGsite because you immediately label anyone who disagrees with you as belonging to the other side of the political axis that that defines your simplistic, binary worldview. Even if you have to listen to dogwhistles nobody else can hear and ignore more than half of what they said, to make the label fit.
Greetings!I will agree that there is a strong appearance of improper conduct. Everywhere I've ever worked, the basic idea was that "if it looks improper, then treat it as improper" so as to stay above suspicion. They have failed on this point, yet that sadly seems common enough in politics.
Hodgetwins have the video of Democrats bringing out suitcases of hidden ballots--after ensuring that GOP Poll watchers and media were sent home. The votes were then added in secret in the middle of the night, after telling the GOP and Media that the vote counting was stopped.
We all know though that the filthy lying Liberal Democrats will cry that even video evidence is "Not substantial evidence!"
All the phony ballots need to be thrown the fuck out. Massive voting audits need to be done throughout the contested states.
And the lying, traitor Democrats need to be arrested and hung. All of these clerks and election flunkies and officials, yeah, they get hammered, too.
Semper Fidelis,
SHARK
5 days left until safe harbor day. All state election disputes—including court challenges and recounts—must be resolved by that date, in accordance with 3 U.S.C. § 5.
Electors vote Dec 14.
"HAHAHA we can run out the clock and then its too late to change it even if a majority of people have lost all faith in what happened"
You keep telling people that misty. It may not turn out as you smugly insist it must. I'd think people who want Trump to go away would be most keenly interested in the people who support him truly feeling he lost fairly. But it looks like your side is willing to rest its case on "too late to file" excuses instead. Works fine for me. There is always going to be a DAT (day after Trump). And right now, how people feel about your team if DAT comes sooner than they'd want is...right about where I'd hope it was.
Greetings!I will agree that there is a strong appearance of improper conduct. Everywhere I've ever worked, the basic idea was that "if it looks improper, then treat it as improper" so as to stay above suspicion. They have failed on this point, yet that sadly seems common enough in politics.
Hodgetwins have the video of Democrats bringing out suitcases of hidden ballots--after ensuring that GOP Poll watchers and media were sent home. The votes were then added in secret in the middle of the night, after telling the GOP and Media that the vote counting was stopped.
We all know though that the filthy lying Liberal Democrats will cry that even video evidence is "Not substantial evidence!"
All the phony ballots need to be thrown the fuck out. Massive voting audits need to be done throughout the contested states.
And the lying, traitor Democrats need to be arrested and hung. All of these clerks and election flunkies and officials, yeah, they get hammered, too.
Semper Fidelis,
SHARK
Greetings!
Damn right it looks improper. I also understand that the Democrats here in the video that are processing ballots? That is absolutely against the law, and hugely against all the known regulations. Such unethical and criminal actions will get every one of these people in prison. It is monstrous.
If this election had this level of corruption, fraud, and duplicity being committed by Republicans--damn right they would need to go to prison as well. All of this is so horrifying and terrible. It should enrage every American citizen. As you mention, corruption is pretty ordinary in politics, even our own. I have in the past proudly defended the United States elections to my friends, family, work colleagues and such, as well as friends that are foreign immigrants. Foreign born friends often lament the huge, systemic and tragic corruption and fraud in their home countries, and skeptically doubted that America was any better--just better at hiding it.
I said "No, no. America works hard at keeping our elections free and fair. Americans historically cherish honesty, integrity, and fairness. Our election trustworthiness is sacred!"
Now, sadly, I am coming around to seeing that we have become a nation covered in shit. "The Emperor has no clothes!" We have become a fucking banana republic, wallowing in shit. All the world looks upon us with horror, shame, and mockery.
Fucking unbelievable. This is all a reflection of the goddamned TDS--Trump Derangement Syndrome. These cock-sucking corrupt fucking Democrats have swallowed the fucking Marxist Kool-Aid and think they are fighting against fucking Hitler and the Nazis, therefore they can proceed to force their victory "By Any Means Necessary!"
Geesus. This is so sad. The TRUTH is coming out.
An interesting aside, though not unsurprising. The MSM has been utterly silent on this video, and has ignored it.
That is why more and more people are tuning in to alternative media, and absolutely do not trust MSM at all, and laugh at them. In alternative media, this video is *everywhere*.
The Democrats are going to burn for this. This will open the gates to more investigations, and as the hot lamps are brought overhead of the people involved, they will squeal. They will fucking sing, and more and more Democrats--lawyers, tech people, judges, officials, and politicians are all going to burn for this. I also continue to hear that a good number of corrupt Republicans may be guilty as well of cooperating with various Democrats to subvert this election with such fraud and corruption. They are such greedy fuckers. I hope they have plenty of oil in the frying pan for them all.
Semper Fidelis,
SHARK
Damn right it looks improper. I also understand that the Democrats here in the video that are processing ballots? That is absolutely against the law, and hugely against all the known regulations. Such unethical and criminal actions will get every one of these people in prison. It is monstrous.
An interesting aside, though not unsurprising. The MSM has been utterly silent on this video, and has ignored it.
That is why more and more people are tuning in to alternative media, and absolutely do not trust MSM at all, and laugh at them. In alternative media, this video is *everywhere*.
The Democrats are going to burn for this. This will open the gates to more investigations, and as the hot lamps are brought overhead of the people involved, they will squeal.
Frances Watson, the chief investigator for the Georgia secretary of state office, confirmed that the containers seen in the video weren't suitcases, but rather the normal bins used for the ballot counting process.Source: https://www.newsweek.com/fox-news-reporter-debunks-georgia-election-fraud-claims-made-tucker-carlson-sean-hannity-1552397
"There wasn't a bin that had ballots in it under that table," Watson told Lead Stories. "It was an empty bin and the ballots from it were actually out on the table when the media were still there, and then it was placed back into the box when the media were still there and placed next to the table."
Watson added that the media were never told to leave as the claims indicate, but rather that the location "was still open for them or the public to come back in to view at whatever time they wanted to, as long as [ election workers ] were still working." She said that the ballots that had already been opened in front of the observers were the only ones scanned after the media and other observers left.
Georgia election chief Gabe Sterling shared a fact-check article from a news outlet called Lead Stories in a Thursday tweet, saying, "The 90-second video of election workers at State Farm arena, purporting to show fraud was watched in its entirety (hours) by @GaSecofState investigators. Shows normal ballot processing. Here is the fact check on it."
The MSM is ignoring these claims the same way it ignores flat Earthers, because both are bullshit. The media isn't required to report lies and disinfo campaigns.
Yes, it is.
I am curious what those that want to fight for Trump to the bitter end think about this point. I've seen several sources that say that no donation of < $5,000 provides any money to the court costs. So what do people expect he will do with that money?
Trump is raising money off the back of this bullshit that he's not even bothering to put into his efforts to overturn the election. That in and of itself tells you that they all know this is baseless. They're literally unwilling to put their money where their mouth is.
I am curious what those that want to fight for Trump to the bitter end think about this point. I've seen several sources that say that no donation of < $5,000 provides any money to the court costs. So what do people expect he will do with that money?
Trump is raising money off the back of this bullshit that he's not even bothering to put into his efforts to overturn the election. That in and of itself tells you that they all know this is baseless. They're literally unwilling to put their money where their mouth is.
I am curious what those that want to fight for Trump to the bitter end think about this point. I've seen several sources that say that no donation of < $5,000 provides any money to the court costs. So what do people expect he will do with that money?
Trump is raising money off the back of this bullshit that he's not even bothering to put into his efforts to overturn the election. That in and of itself tells you that they all know this is baseless. They're literally unwilling to put their money where their mouth is.
I am curious what those that want to fight for Trump to the bitter end think about this point. I've seen several sources that say that no donation of < $5,000 provides any money to the court costs. So what do people expect he will do with that money?
Trump is raising money off the back of this bullshit that he's not even bothering to put into his efforts to overturn the election. That in and of itself tells you that they all know this is baseless. They're literally unwilling to put their money where their mouth is.
So if you have ten donations of $500 then that $5000 can not be used?
That does not seem to be how money usually works.
I am curious what those that want to fight for Trump to the bitter end think about this point. I've seen several sources that say that no donation of < $5,000 provides any money to the court costs. So what do people expect he will do with that money?
Trump is raising money off the back of this bullshit that he's not even bothering to put into his efforts to overturn the election. That in and of itself tells you that they all know this is baseless. They're literally unwilling to put their money where their mouth is.
So if you have ten donations of $500 then that $5000 can not be used?
That does not seem to be how money usually works.
It does in Trumpworld...
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-election-trump-fundraising-insigh/donations-under-8k-to-trump-election-defense-instead-go-to-president-rnc-idUSKBN27R309
It's even spelled out in the small print of the emails begging for donations. Many people have posted screenshots of these emails. They're easy to find. They're not even bothering to cover their tracks that well, because I guess they think MAGAs are too gullible to wonder where the money's going. And they're right.
I am curious what those that want to fight for Trump to the bitter end think about this point. I've seen several sources that say that no donation of < $5,000 provides any money to the court costs. So what do people expect he will do with that money?
Trump is raising money off the back of this bullshit that he's not even bothering to put into his efforts to overturn the election. That in and of itself tells you that they all know this is baseless. They're literally unwilling to put their money where their mouth is.
So if you have ten donations of $500 then that $5000 can not be used?
That does not seem to be how money usually works.
It does in Trumpworld...
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-election-trump-fundraising-insigh/donations-under-8k-to-trump-election-defense-instead-go-to-president-rnc-idUSKBN27R309
It's even spelled out in the small print of the emails begging for donations. Many people have posted screenshots of these emails. They're easy to find. They're not even bothering to cover their tracks that well, because I guess they think MAGAs are too gullible to wonder where the money's going. And they're right.
So from your link: Quote As President Donald Trump seeks to discredit last week’s election with baseless claims of voter fraud... ...according to a Reuters review of the legal language in the solicitations....
well that seems like it is a credible source.
Trump’s solicitation website carries a banner headline that says “OFFICIAL ELECTION DEFENSE FUND” and “CONTRIBUTE NOW.”
Scrolling down the page would take a donor to the fine print, which shows that donations are split between “Save America,” which gets 60% of the money, and the RNC, which gets the other 40%. None of the money flows to Trump’s official “recount” committee fund until Trump’s Save America share reaches the legal contribution limit of $5,000, according to the disclosures.
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Dan Bongino discusses the Georgia video at State Farm Arena, as well as other suspicious activity and affidavits involved with the 2020 Election.
Evidently, Georgia Governor Kemp has now ordered a signature audit of the election, primarily in response to the Georgia video.
Semper Fidelis,
SHARK
Yes, it is.No, it's not, for all the reasons I spelled out.
How can I know Pat is pushing a right-wing perspective, just from the posts I'm replying to?I'm a Democrat but no partisan extremist as Pat claimsYou're a partisan extremist because you immediately label anyone who disagrees with you as belonging to the other side of the political axis that that defines your simplistic, binary worldview. Even if you have to listen to dogwhistles nobody else can hear and ignore more than half of what they said, to make the label fit.
There is nothing which can convince the "Election was stolen" people that it was a legit election in any reasonable time (years). It's based on crazy conspiracy theories which can neither be proven nor disproved. It's like Kennedy assassination theories, or Templar Knights/Illuminati theories.
Again - I saw these same arguments in 2004 from the crazy left. And they REALLY WERE the identical arguments except the name of the company which made the voting machines was Diebold rather than Dominion that time.
None of that held up when courts actually examined the claims either.
So yeah, I am happy in 4 days this may be settled by the law. Because it can never settle according to wild conspiracy theorists. I am sure there are still some on the crazy left who claim the 2004 election was stolen by Bush. And you guys will be classified just like them in the minds of most people - nutters unable to deal with the cognitive dissonance that their faith-like beliefs in how the election would go (based on the people they know) doesn't match how people actually voted.
That's OK though, you can lash out at me with your personal attacks for me calling it like it is. I understand it's painful to have your faith shattered. You do you, in dealing with that grief. The first stages of denial and anger are all yours right now.
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Attorney Jackie Pick, narrates and discusses the Georgia Ballot Video. The video is provided by Sky News Australia.
Eye witnesses and poll-watchers which supplied testimony for this video are under sworn affidavits, which means that if they are lying, they go to prison. Their testimony, this video, and the attorney Jackie Pick here are in my view far more credible than any left-wing "fact checkers" or other cock-sucking MSM sources.
Amazing how the Democrats want to insist that this video has been "debunked". Hasn't been debunked at all. Obvious evidence right before your eyes. Democrats are in denial, and want everyone to suck down their corrupt narrative. Interesting how the Democrat politician insists that everything here has been debunked!!!Reee! While several other politicians sitting right there in the hearing make clear that the video evidence and the testimony has not been debunked at all--it is being presented for the first time now, as of last night.
Such monstrous denial and Reeeing by the fucking Democrats. So pathetic.
Semper Fidelis,
SHARK
The video just dropped yesterday. Here's Newsweek about it, citing the work of Fox News reporter Griff Jenkins. They checked with the chief investigator for the Republican secretary of state.QuoteFrances Watson, the chief investigator for the Georgia secretary of state office, confirmed that the containers seen in the video weren't suitcases, but rather the normal bins used for the ballot counting process.Source: https://www.newsweek.com/fox-news-reporter-debunks-georgia-election-fraud-claims-made-tucker-carlson-sean-hannity-1552397
"There wasn't a bin that had ballots in it under that table," Watson told Lead Stories. "It was an empty bin and the ballots from it were actually out on the table when the media were still there, and then it was placed back into the box when the media were still there and placed next to the table."
Watson added that the media were never told to leave as the claims indicate, but rather that the location "was still open for them or the public to come back in to view at whatever time they wanted to, as long as [ election workers ] were still working." She said that the ballots that had already been opened in front of the observers were the only ones scanned after the media and other observers left.
Now, one could claim that the Republican-appointed chief investigator is lying. Maybe those are indeed improper suitcases instead of the normal bins. If so, there should be plenty of witnesses who can shoot down investigator Watson's lies. This isn't something that should be under doubt - it's the normal procedure that hundreds of poll workers engage in. However, if the chief investigator is *not* lying, then the people who spread the video were lying -- and it's them who should be burned.
Here's more coverage of it in mainstream media:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2020/12/04/giuliani-boasts-about-finally-providing-evidence-fraud-which-doesnt-appear-be-evidence-fraud/
https://www.gpb.org/news/2020/12/04/fact-checking-rudy-giulianis-grandiose-georgia-election-fraud-claim
EDITED TO ADD: Here's the Fox News reporting on it.
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/georgia-recertifies-election-results-fulton-county-videoQuoteGeorgia election chief Gabe Sterling shared a fact-check article from a news outlet called Lead Stories in a Thursday tweet, saying, "The 90-second video of election workers at State Farm arena, purporting to show fraud was watched in its entirety (hours) by @GaSecofState investigators. Shows normal ballot processing. Here is the fact check on it."
The Hodge Twins respond to "Lead Stories" "fact check" of the Hodge Twins' video about the Georgia Ballot Video.
Lead Stories are full of shit, just like all of the other Leftist "Fact Checkers". Just like Politifact, they are all cock-sucking frauds.
Also CA certfied about an hour ago, putting Biden over 270.
Serious question: why are you so sure that their description of the video is correct? Why believe these people over Republican election officials? Because what they're saying fits your narrative? Why would Republicans risk their careers, risk legal consequences, risk the threat of violence, to throw the election to Biden? Why are you willing to take the word of these narrators, but not the Republican officials who were tasked with overseeing the election? You keep babbling about Democrats, but what about the Republican officials who have denied that voter fraud occurred? What of them?
The video has absolutely been debunked, by Republicans, who have denied every charge levelled, and who have explained that Trump supporters' description of the video is simply not accurate.
I hope they do a signature audit in Georgia. Because when they find that also disproves the fraud allegation, SHARK will have to eat a huge bag of shut the fuck up. Oh, we all know he will just pivot around that, because that's what all conspiracy nutters do. But the rest of us will see him for the utter bullshit he's represented in this thread.
Your reasons are almost all garbage.Your reasons are garbage, because they're based on ignoring what I said, and invoking the now proven to be incorrect tradition, not the rules.
I gave you the benefit of the doubt in my first response, until you declared that the media are all lying. What followed just confirmed the observation. Only one species of duck does that, and it's got two right wings. So you just keep on quacking, duckie.Your entire argument is that it's inconceivable that the media would lie on any subject, at all? That's an absurd claim, even without the specific evidence in this case.
I hope they do a signature audit in Georgia. Because when they find that also disproves the fraud allegation, SHARK will have to eat a huge bag of shut the fuck up. Oh, we all know he will just pivot around that, because that's what all conspiracy nutters do. But the rest of us will see him for the utter bullshit he's represented in this thread.
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Really, Mistwell? I want legitimate, thorough investigations and audits, because I want the elections to be fair, and free of corruption and fraud. Fuck all the suspicious BS. Get the legal votes counted, and all the BS phony ballots thrown the fuck out. If Biden won such an election, fine. I don't believe that Obama engaged in fraud to win his election, and I am no fan of President Obama. I have stated several times now--quite apart from any "conspiracy theories"--I have felt numerous aspects of this election were very suspicious, and require full investigations.
Beyond that, well, for four years we have seen the Democrats engage in one BS conspiracy theory after another, all of which have been entirely fraudulent.
Here, we have lots of evidence, lots of eye witnesses, affidavits, and testimony. Hundreds, and more. A storm of questions, analysis, and concerns over problems in several states during this election. I want justice to prevail, Mistwell. TRUTH.
Semper Fidelis,
SHARK
Part of the problem is that the media have become utterly unreliable, and I’d argue worse so on the left, which I used to follow more than the right. Most leftists seem oblivious to it, while right-wingers are so aware of it that they are skeptical to anything that doesn’t “feel right” to them, because they are constantly being lied to (and by Republicans too by the way). I have debated people on a left-leaning forum, and they had no clue that Trump supporters had been murdered in the protests, that George Floyd had breathing problems before he was put on the ground, or that he had previously committed armed robbery of a pregnant woman. Or indeed that the Democrats, in trying to expose Russian collusion had been going after an informant for CIA, i.e. he was helping the US intelligence against the Russians. That was actually when the collusion story fell apart, but most leftists don’t know that it ever did.
Beyond that, the affidavit witnesses will go to prison if they are lying. Various officials and politicians--whether Democrat or Republican--can say whatever they want; they can lie through their teeth nine ways to Sunday, and suffer zero consequences. Same thing goes for all of the "Fact Checkers" and members of the MSM. I have zero faith in anything the MSM media says.
Here, we have lots of evidence, lots of eye witnesses, affidavits, and testimony. Hundreds, and more. A storm of questions, analysis, and concerns over problems in several states during this election. I want justice to prevail, Mistwell. TRUTH.
I don't need to hear testimonies of eye-witnesses, Conservative alternative media news people, or Conservative lawyers to tell me that fraud has taken place in this election. I knew all by myself on election night, when President Trump was overwhelmingly ahead, and had the election won easily. Then, somehow in the middle of the night--hundreds and hundreds of thousands of votes--all going for Biden--somehow gets dumped in the deep of the night, and Biden is then declared the winner? That is just BS, man. Mathematicians, pollster experts, and so on have all discussed how such an occurrence is BS as well, and has never, ever happened before. So, from election night alone--or immediately in the morning--I knew the Democrats were engaged in fraud and BS.
Another thing that people are ignoring is that there were a fair amount of Republicans who voted for Trump in 2016, who did not vote for him in 2020. When megadonors like Sheldon Adelson are turning their back on Trump, you kmow he's in Trouble. And Steve Bannon himself (he's a criminal scumbag, yes, but he's also a shrewd political operative, by any estimation) said that groups like The Lincoln Project would only need to peel away 3 or 4 percent of Trump voters in order to deny him a 2020 win. In the end, I think Republicans had a lot to do with Trump's defeat. I think there were a lot of R's who either aren't evangelicals, or who gritted their teeth and voted for Trump on the economy and judgeships. Many of these have turned on him because of the direct negative impact this administration's inept Coronavirus response has had on the economy. Well, that and "scandal fatigue". The Lincoln Project is not an anomaly. There are a lot of R's who voted for their party's nominee, hoping that he would at least make an attempt to rise to the challenges of his office. The difference between these voters and the MAGA crowd, is that the Lincoln Project types are smart enough to see, and mature enough to admit, that they made a mistake.
The truth of the matter is that if Trump had the maturity to have reigned in his ego, even a tiny fraction, and put just a bit more effort (you know, more than "none") into actually doing his job, instead of "owning the libs", he probably would have coasted to a second term. The hilarious part of watching conservative denial over Biden's victory is that the fault is really Trump's own.
Another thing that people are ignoring is that there were a fair amount of Republicans who voted for Trump in 2016, who did not vote for him in 2020. When megadonors like Sheldon Adelson are turning their back on Trump, you kmow he's in Trouble. And Steve Bannon himself (he's a criminal scumbag, yes, but he's also a shrewd political operative, by any estimation) said that groups like The Lincoln Project would only need to peel away 3 or 4 percent of Trump voters in order to deny him a 2020 win. In the end, I think Republicans had a lot to do with Trump's defeat. I think there were a lot of R's who either aren't evangelicals, or who gritted their teeth and voted for Trump on the economy and judgeships. Many of these have turned on him because of the direct negative impact this administration's inept Coronavirus response has had on the economy. Well, that and "scandal fatigue". The Lincoln Project is not an anomaly. There are a lot of R's who voted for their party's nominee, hoping that he would at least make an attempt to rise to the challenges of his office. The difference between these voters and the MAGA crowd, is that the Lincoln Project types are smart enough to see, and mature enough to admit, that they made a mistake.
The truth of the matter is that if Trump had the maturity to have reigned in his ego, even a tiny fraction, and put just a bit more effort (you know, more than "none") into actually doing his job, instead of "owning the libs", he probably would have coasted to a second term. The hilarious part of watching conservative denial over Biden's victory is that the fault is really Trump's own.
Another thing that people are ignoring is that there were a fair amount of Republicans who voted for Trump in 2016, who did not vote for him in 2020. When megadonors like Sheldon Adelson are turning their back on Trump, you kmow he's in Trouble. And Steve Bannon himself (he's a criminal scumbag, yes, but he's also a shrewd political operative, by any estimation) said that groups like The Lincoln Project would only need to peel away 3 or 4 percent of Trump voters in order to deny him a 2020 win. In the end, I think Republicans had a lot to do with Trump's defeat. I think there were a lot of R's who either aren't evangelicals, or who gritted their teeth and voted for Trump on the economy and judgeships. Many of these have turned on him because of the direct negative impact this administration's inept Coronavirus response has had on the economy. Well, that and "scandal fatigue". The Lincoln Project is not an anomaly. There are a lot of R's who voted for their party's nominee, hoping that he would at least make an attempt to rise to the challenges of his office. The difference between these voters and the MAGA crowd, is that the Lincoln Project types are smart enough to see, and mature enough to admit, that they made a mistake.
The truth of the matter is that if Trump had the maturity to have reigned in his ego, even a tiny fraction, and put just a bit more effort (you know, more than "none") into actually doing his job, instead of "owning the libs", he probably would have coasted to a second term. The hilarious part of watching conservative denial over Biden's victory is that the fault is really Trump's own.
How do you reconcile your facts like Lincoln Project peeling away 3 or 4 percent of Trumps vote with Trump increasing his vote from 62 million to 74 million?
Another thing that people are ignoring is that there were a fair amount of Republicans who voted for Trump in 2016, who did not vote for him in 2020. When megadonors like Sheldon Adelson are turning their back on Trump, you kmow he's in Trouble. And Steve Bannon himself (he's a criminal scumbag, yes, but he's also a shrewd political operative, by any estimation) said that groups like The Lincoln Project would only need to peel away 3 or 4 percent of Trump voters in order to deny him a 2020 win. In the end, I think Republicans had a lot to do with Trump's defeat. I think there were a lot of R's who either aren't evangelicals, or who gritted their teeth and voted for Trump on the economy and judgeships. Many of these have turned on him because of the direct negative impact this administration's inept Coronavirus response has had on the economy. Well, that and "scandal fatigue". The Lincoln Project is not an anomaly. There are a lot of R's who voted for their party's nominee, hoping that he would at least make an attempt to rise to the challenges of his office. The difference between these voters and the MAGA crowd, is that the Lincoln Project types are smart enough to see, and mature enough to admit, that they made a mistake.
The truth of the matter is that if Trump had the maturity to have reigned in his ego, even a tiny fraction, and put just a bit more effort (you know, more than "none") into actually doing his job, instead of "owning the libs", he probably would have coasted to a second term. The hilarious part of watching conservative denial over Biden's victory is that the fault is really Trump's own.
How do you reconcile your facts like Lincoln Project peeling away 3 or 4 percent of Trumps vote with Trump increasing his vote from 62 million to 74 million?
Biden got more votes than any candidate ever, and part of that was R's voting against Trump. I also know R's who sat out 2016 because they didn't like Trump, who voted for Biden this time.
Biden got more votes than any candidate ever, and part of that was R's voting against Trump. I also know R's who sat out 2016 because they didn't like Trump, who voted for Biden this time.
Oh, yeah. I forgot that part. "Sleepy" Biden getting the most votes ever just seems improbable to many people. Of course, I figure you got part of the reason for why that happened right. I don't find it improbable at all that some conservative Christians didn't like Trump's "pussy grabbing", or his picking on John McCain for instance.
I guarantee you the McCain shit is a large part of why he lost Arizona.
I guarantee you the McCain shit is a large part of why he lost Arizona.
That was one of the few things that genuinely pissed me off about Trump. Most of what Trump did was just annoying, but that one, really out of line. Him bashing McCain for being captured when Trump is a draft dodger, infuriating. How could SHARK defend shit like that?
That's horseshit. Trump specifically denigrated McCain's service ("I like guys who weren't captured"), and by extension the service of every POW. It wasn't a policy dispute. Diaper Donnie got his rich father to buy his way out of military service. Then he had the fucking temerity to cast aspersions on someone who didn't rely on a well connected father to avoid service, or even to get released from a fucking POW camp where he was routinely being tortured, though he had the opportunity to do so. This isn't like telling someone they "look good for their age". Its not a Freudian slip or an inelegant turn of phrase. Trump is really just a flaming sack of dog shit.
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Well, I disagree. My opinions are not horseshit.
On another note, it is always good when cock-sucking Marxist Democrats are choked with dogshit.
Semper Fidelis,
SHARK
Part of the problem is that the media have become utterly unreliable, and I’d argue worse so on the left, which I used to follow more than the right. Most leftists seem oblivious to it, while right-wingers are so aware of it that they are skeptical to anything that doesn’t “feel right” to them, because they are constantly being lied to (and by Republicans too by the way). I have debated people on a left-leaning forum, and they had no clue that Trump supporters had been murdered in the protests, that George Floyd had breathing problems before he was put on the ground, or that he had previously committed armed robbery of a pregnant woman. Or indeed that the Democrats, in trying to expose Russian collusion had been going after an informant for CIA, i.e. he was helping the US intelligence against the Russians. That was actually when the collusion story fell apart, but most leftists don’t know that it ever did.
Another thing that people are ignoring is that there were a fair amount of Republicans who voted for Trump in 2016, who did not vote for him in 2020. When megadonors like Sheldon Adelson are turning their back on Trump, you kmow he's in Trouble. And Steve Bannon himself (he's a criminal scumbag, yes, but he's also a shrewd political operative, by any estimation) said that groups like The Lincoln Project would only need to peel away 3 or 4 percent of Trump voters in order to deny him a 2020 win. In the end, I think Republicans had a lot to do with Trump's defeat. I think there were a lot of R's who either aren't evangelicals, or who gritted their teeth and voted for Trump on the economy and judgeships. Many of these have turned on him because of the direct negative impact this administration's inept Coronavirus response has had on the economy. Well, that and "scandal fatigue". The Lincoln Project is not an anomaly. There are a lot of R's who voted for their party's nominee, hoping that he would at least make an attempt to rise to the challenges of his office. The difference between these voters and the MAGA crowd, is that the Lincoln Project types are smart enough to see, and mature enough to admit, that they made a mistake.
The truth of the matter is that if Trump had the maturity to have reigned in his ego, even a tiny fraction, and put just a bit more effort (you know, more than "none") into actually doing his job, instead of "owning the libs", he probably would have coasted to a second term. The hilarious part of watching conservative denial over Biden's victory is that the fault is really Trump's own.
How do you reconcile your facts like Lincoln Project peeling away 3 or 4 percent of Trumps vote with Trump increasing his vote from 62 million to 74 million?
"Sleepy" Biden getting the most votes ever just seems improbable to many people.
I guarantee you the McCain shit is a large part of why he lost Arizona.
That was one of the few things that genuinely pissed me off about Trump. Most of what Trump did was just annoying, but that one, really out of line. Him bashing McCain for being captured when Trump is a draft dodger, infuriating. How could SHARK defend shit like that?
Diaper Donnie got his rich father to buy his way out of military service.
McCain's father was an Admiral, royalty, and the reason he could crash planes and still be a pilot despite doing things his way. I find it strange that people are suddenly McCain supporters who I have a feeling never had a kind word to say about him before. I guess if a hero to you is a guy who bombs peasants and then jumps out of the plane prematurely, injuring himself in the process, and then gets left in a POW camp for political clout by his father, good on ya. I guess your other heros are heavy armored knights riding down fleeing peasants after a route?
Trump's attack on McCain did not bother me a bit, I know when he spoke of McCain I know he is talking about a guy who L O V E S to get people into wars despite, from his own record, not being so great at it. You guys talk about trump privilege and seem to have no idea what sort of influence an Admiral has in the world, much less how much they have in the military.
It is an odd world, where I watch right leaning people try to find incidents of racist behavior or speech from lefties, and from lefties I watch them suddenly champion warmongering asshats who have every thing they got in life from their last names.
Part of the problem is that the media have become utterly unreliable, and I’d argue worse so on the left, which I used to follow more than the right. Most leftists seem oblivious to it, while right-wingers are so aware of it that they are skeptical to anything that doesn’t “feel right” to them, because they are constantly being lied to (and by Republicans too by the way). I have debated people on a left-leaning forum, and they had no clue that Trump supporters had been murdered in the protests, that George Floyd had breathing problems before he was put on the ground, or that he had previously committed armed robbery of a pregnant woman. Or indeed that the Democrats, in trying to expose Russian collusion had been going after an informant for CIA, i.e. he was helping the US intelligence against the Russians. That was actually when the collusion story fell apart, but most leftists don’t know that it ever did.
The willingness on the right to believe just about anything is much greater, but the left is not immune to false information.
Trump supporters killed at protests? I was aware of one in Portland, and that the perpetrator was later shot by police (and that Donald Trump extolled this as a good and even intended result). I was unaware of the one in Denver on October 10. There have been more killings of BLM protesters, and the murderer in Kenosha became a hero of Trumpies.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/oct/31/americans-killed-protests-political-unrest-acled
The only breathing problem of George Floyd I was aware of was recovering from Covid-19, which he reportedly informed the police arresting him of. I was aware that he had criminal convictions although not in much detail but he had apparently turned his life around since release from prison in 2013. He allegedly passed a counterfeit $20 bill at a store and it seems possible that, having lost his job because of the pandemic, he committed that crime but also possible that he was unaware the bill was counterfeit. Do you think that any of this justifies killing George Floyd?
Your last comment about collusion investigations compromising a CIA informant, or even just that the collusion story fell apart, is going to need some links.
I find it strange that people are suddenly McCain supporters who I have a feeling never had a kind word to say about him before. I guess if a hero to you is a guy who bombs peasants...Can we not go back to referring to Vietnam War vets as baby-killers and the like, OK?
McCain's father was an Admiral, royalty, and the reason he could crash planes and still be a pilot despite doing things his way. I find it strange that people are suddenly McCain supporters who I have a feeling never had a kind word to say about him before.
You said baby killers... so stop saying it?I find it strange that people are suddenly McCain supporters who I have a feeling never had a kind word to say about him before. I guess if a hero to you is a guy who bombs peasants...Can we not go back to referring to Vietnam War vets as baby-killers and the like, OK?
Trump's rally in Georgia was full on crazy. Good account of the crazy train here.
https://thebulwark.com/the-devil-went-down-to-georgia/
And Trump could never comprehend military service. He doesn't understand decisions that don't benefit him.
Trump's rally in Georgia was full on crazy. Good account of the crazy train here.
https://thebulwark.com/the-devil-went-down-to-georgia/
And Trump could never comprehend military service. He doesn't understand decisions that don't benefit him.
The problem is his kind of crazy is contagious. I do doubt a guy who was already running business before he was finished with high school has little understanding of basically being a drone for people who tell you where to go, what to do, when to line up for shots, etc. This is not a slag on anyone who has served in the military, it is the absolute truth. You are essentially property when you enlist.
How many people has he employed for how many years? I know several people who inherited a bunch of money. Most of them never did a thing. As for narcissist sociopaths, that is pretty much any national level politician, so he has plenty of company. There are also a few of those in the military as well.Trump's rally in Georgia was full on crazy. Good account of the crazy train here.
https://thebulwark.com/the-devil-went-down-to-georgia/
And Trump could never comprehend military service. He doesn't understand decisions that don't benefit him.
The problem is his kind of crazy is contagious. I do doubt a guy who was already running business before he was finished with high school has little understanding of basically being a drone for people who tell you where to go, what to do, when to line up for shots, etc. This is not a slag on anyone who has served in the military, it is the absolute truth. You are essentially property when you enlist.
"Running Businesses" lmao. There's little evidence of Trump being successful in business. He inherited hundreds of millions and pissed it away. His lack of understanding the military mindset has nothing to do with being a Captain of Industry and everything to do with being a narcissistic sociopath.
Trump's rally in Georgia was full on crazy. Good account of the crazy train here.
https://thebulwark.com/the-devil-went-down-to-georgia/
And Trump could never comprehend military service. He doesn't understand decisions that don't benefit him.
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Tim Miller is The Bulwark’s writer-at-large. He was previously political director for Republican Voters Against Trump, communications director for Jeb Bush 2016, and spokesman for the Republican National Committee.
Trump's rally in Georgia was full on crazy. Good account of the crazy train here.
https://thebulwark.com/the-devil-went-down-to-georgia/
And Trump could never comprehend military service. He doesn't understand decisions that don't benefit him.
The problem is his kind of crazy is contagious. I do doubt a guy who was already running business before he was finished with high school has little understanding of basically being a drone for people who tell you where to go, what to do, when to line up for shots, etc. This is not a slag on anyone who has served in the military, it is the absolute truth. You are essentially property when you enlist.
"Running Businesses" lmao. There's little evidence of Trump being successful in business. He inherited hundreds of millions and pissed it away. His lack of understanding the military mindset has nothing to do with being a Captain of Industry and everything to do with being a narcissistic sociopath.
The only breathing problem of George Floyd I was aware of was recovering from Covid-19, which he reportedly informed the police arresting him of. I was aware that he had criminal convictions although not in much detail but he had apparently turned his life around since release from prison in 2013. He allegedly passed a counterfeit $20 bill at a store and it seems possible that, having lost his job because of the pandemic, he committed that crime but also possible that he was unaware the bill was counterfeit. Do you think that any of this justifies killing George Floyd?
Right leaning people do not have a problem believing anything.
Right leaning people do not have a problem believing anything.
Very, very true. And that's most of the problem right there.
Well, he did vastly improve the American economy after the Obama Administration's doldrums....
The willingness on the right to believe just about anything is much greater, but the left is not immune to false information.
Well, he did vastly improve the American economy after the Obama Administration's doldrums....
After "russian agent", russian collusion, and the dossier, I think you have about zero room to talk about the other end. You might even say, the MASSIVE bias from the media may be the reason no one believes anything anyone says who has a different ideological perspective. I would say THAT is the problem.Right leaning people do not have a problem believing anything.
Very, very true. And that's most of the problem right there.
Part of the problem is that the media have become utterly unreliable, and I’d argue worse so on the left, which I used to follow more than the right. Most leftists seem oblivious to it, while right-wingers are so aware of it that they are skeptical to anything that doesn’t “feel right” to them, because they are constantly being lied to (and by Republicans too by the way). I have debated people on a left-leaning forum, and they had no clue that Trump supporters had been murdered in the protests, that George Floyd had breathing problems before he was put on the ground, or that he had previously committed armed robbery of a pregnant woman. Or indeed that the Democrats, in trying to expose Russian collusion had been going after an informant for CIA, i.e. he was helping the US intelligence against the Russians. That was actually when the collusion story fell apart, but most leftists don’t know that it ever did.
The willingness on the right to believe just about anything is much greater, but the left is not immune to false information.
Trump supporters killed at protests? I was aware of one in Portland, and that the perpetrator was later shot by police (and that Donald Trump extolled this as a good and even intended result). I was unaware of the one in Denver on October 10. There have been more killings of BLM protesters, and the murderer in Kenosha became a hero of Trumpies.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/oct/31/americans-killed-protests-political-unrest-acled
The only breathing problem of George Floyd I was aware of was recovering from Covid-19, which he reportedly informed the police arresting him of. I was aware that he had criminal convictions although not in much detail but he had apparently turned his life around since release from prison in 2013. He allegedly passed a counterfeit $20 bill at a store and it seems possible that, having lost his job because of the pandemic, he committed that crime but also possible that he was unaware the bill was counterfeit. Do you think that any of this justifies killing George Floyd?
Your last comment about collusion investigations compromising a CIA informant, or even just that the collusion story fell apart, is going to need some links.
Do I think that justifies killing George Floyd? Of course not. I’m not so sure he was actually killed though. The initial video released was cut to show only the worst possible case for the police officers.
But I won’t miss a guy who forced himself into a pregnant woman’s house and threatened her with a gun.
I believe that the whole case should be investigated, with all the info, unlike the hysterical reactions based on incomplete info, trial-by-mob guilty-by-association some people seem to prefer.
Meanwhile leftists convince themselves that such a case happening to a white man would lead to a greater outrage. Well, similar things have happened to white people before, and nobody gave a shit. USA is not a racist country, it’s a race-hysterical country. As a side note notice also the hysteria surrounding the “smirking kid” vs the Native American with the drum. I watched the same video as everyone else and saw absolutely nothing newsworthy happening.
Funny thing about the killings is that the right-wingers doing the shooting tend to look more like self defense (see Kenosha) while killings by lefties look more like straight up executions (Portland), even when seeing greatly cut down videos of the events, but again let’s hope we get some thorough investigations and trials. Leftists being more violent at protests is something I have observed first hand though. They seriously need to clean up the garbage among their ranks.
The “Russian collusion” guy’s name is Carter Page.
The report found that the FBI had a legal "authorized investigative purpose and with sufficient factual predication" to ask for court approval to begin surveillance of Carter Page, a former Trump campaign adviser.
After "russian agent", russian collusion, and the dossier, I think you have about zero room to talk about the other end. You might even say, the MASSIVE bias from the media may be the reason no one believes anything anyone says who has a different ideological perspective. I would say THAT is the problem.Right leaning people do not have a problem believing anything.
Very, very true. And that's most of the problem right there.
Well, he did vastly improve the American economy after the Obama Administration's doldrums....
One of the side effects of over dosing on Fentanyl is breathing problems and or death.
One of the side effects of over dosing on Fentanyl is breathing problems and or death.
Autopsy says homicide.
A defendant must take his victim as he finds him, and it is no defense that the victim is suffering from physical infirmities.
The Hennepin County medical examiner said that Floyd bloodwork showed a “fatal level of fentanyl,” according to court documents, but he didn’t say this killed him.
The right will believe just about anything and on the other hand even they cant gag down the stuff people like CNN put out.
One of the side effects of over dosing on Fentanyl is breathing problems and or death.
Autopsy says homicide.
A defendant must take his victim as he finds him, and it is no defense that the victim is suffering from physical infirmities.QuoteThe Hennepin County medical examiner said that Floyd bloodwork showed a “fatal level of fentanyl,” according to court documents, but he didn’t say this killed him.
https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2020/sep/25/blog-posting/two-autopsies-found-george-floyds-death-was-homici/ (https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2020/sep/25/blog-posting/two-autopsies-found-george-floyds-death-was-homici/)
Cue the conspiracy theories.....
The right will believe just about anything and on the other hand even they cant gag down the stuff people like CNN put out.
What they'll believe is driven mostly by what they want to be true; what they'll not believe is driven mostly by what they want to not be true. They'll immediately tout a CNN story if it makes a political opponent look bad. It's all truthiness, not truth.
People rejoice in claims that reinforce what they want to be true; the important thing is to try to verify it before promulgating what may be misinformation. The right don't do that; they don't even care when their unfounded beliefs contradict each other.One of the side effects of over dosing on Fentanyl is breathing problems and or death.
Autopsy says homicide.
A defendant must take his victim as he finds him, and it is no defense that the victim is suffering from physical infirmities.QuoteThe Hennepin County medical examiner said that Floyd bloodwork showed a “fatal level of fentanyl,” according to court documents, but he didn’t say this killed him.
https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2020/sep/25/blog-posting/two-autopsies-found-george-floyds-death-was-homici/ (https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2020/sep/25/blog-posting/two-autopsies-found-george-floyds-death-was-homici/)
Did you read your own source? Or just get a clue from the URL itself? The claim that Floyd died of a drug overdose is ruled False. Autopsy says homicide, as I said.
To explain the point you clearly did not understand, speculation that Floyd might have died later that day if Chauvin hadn't killed him is no defense to the charge of having killed him. The legal penalties for depriving a person of one hour of life by killing him is the same as depriving him of decades of life by killing him.
It had a lot to do with Carter Page, but you wouldn't know if you only listened to one side. The moment it didn't go anywhere they tried to bury it.
Did you read your own source? Or just get a clue from the URL itself? The claim that Floyd died of a drug overdose is ruled False. Autopsy says homicide, as I said.
Of course I read the source, that is how come I knew that he had a fatal overdose of Fentanyl.
As for homicide, that would be up to the prosecutors to prove.
Did you read your own source? Or just get a clue from the URL itself? The claim that Floyd died of a drug overdose is ruled False. Autopsy says homicide, as I said.
Of course I read the source, that is how come I knew that he had a fatal overdose of Fentanyl.
As for homicide, that would be up to the prosecutors to prove.
Reading but not understanding. Fatal overdose is irrelevant if it's not the cause of death, as your link says it is not. Cause of death was homicide; the charges brought include murder and manslaughter, which is what the prosecutors must prove. The cause of death will be relevant to prosecution and defense, but "he would have died anyway of X" is not a defense if X is not the cause of death.
Cue the conspiracy theories.....
The fact that he said he couldn't breathe before he was put on the ground doesn't bother you?
It had a lot to do with Carter Page, but you wouldn't know if you only listened to one side. The moment it didn't go anywhere they tried to bury it.
I always liked McCain, but there were warning signs. He was a member of the Keating 5, after all. And he ran an uninspired presidential campaign.
But nowadays, he's the replacement for George HW Bush -- a moderate and non-controversial opposition politician who can be safely lionized by the Democrats because he's dead. That allows them to prominently proclaim their bipartisanship without fear of contradiction, while at the same time blasting living Republicans for being too partisan. It's never their peers who display statesmanlike qualities; that term only applies to those who have started to recede into the past.
But nowadays, he's the replacement for George HW Bush -- a moderate and non-controversial opposition politician who can be safely lionized by the Democrats because he's dead. That allows them to prominently proclaim their bipartisanship without fear of contradiction, while at the same time blasting living Republicans for being too partisan. It's never their peers who display statesmanlike qualities; that term only applies to those who have started to recede into the past.
I voted for and supported HW Bush, Dole, W Bush, McCain, and Romney. I like Kasich and Rubio, Jeb Bush, and Christie before he imploded. I like Paul Ryan. Jindal, Walker, Rick Scott, and Perry were not bad either. In fact I am OK with Mike Pence in general. I might like Tom Cotton and Josh Hawley, after I see more of them.
You can pretend the only Republican is Trump, but that's nonsense. You know who is now in the past? Trump.
Not to mention the fact that you think it takes a highly trained officer 8 minutes to choke someone to death.
Cue the conspiracy theories.....
The fact that he said he couldn't breathe before he was put on the ground doesn't bother you?
If he couldn't breathe before Chauvin knelt on his neck, maybe they should have called the ambulance then rather than after killing him?
Your naive belief that police would never commit crimes is laughable.
You can pretend the only Republican is Trump, but that's nonsense.Pretending I ever said that is nonsense. I never mentioned Trump. I never even alluded to Trump.
Sidney Powell: “In Georgia massive evidence of the shaving of votes and flipping to Biden exists in the machines… They’ve been erasing things and destroying evidence as fast as they can do it. I have in my office right now a huge bag of shredded ballots. I can’t wait to see what that discloses… The people of America are not going to allow our president to be defeated by fraudulent election mechanisms. And these people have used every manner of voter fraud you can imagine. It was heavily coordinated. It was heavily funded. They now have 25 lawyers up against us our little team of misfit toys who are trying to fight for truth and justice for the American people… We have scads of evidence… Mr. Raffensperger was flat out lying. There should be a criminal investigation of him and his deputy secretary’s finances around the $1o7 million Dominion contract that was suddenly awarded in Georgia when they didn’t need a new system.
It's enough to point out that there's no Super Bowl win for the score after three quarters. Trump can have a tiny participation trophy; it's topped with the figure of a Confederate general.
Is it me, or did this thread get real boring once @SHARK and I stopped posting?Just you. The partisanship gets tiring. It's like having kids screaming all day behind you.
Wow! What a crazy person! Good thing there is no such thing as voter fraud in this election! Here’s the PROOF:The procedural links have correct information, and the arguments about jurisdiction seem reasonable (not a lawyer, so I can't assess whether they really hold up). Alito shifting the date ends a whole suite of conspiracy theories. I'd like to see more about those voting machines. If they're really turning out biased results when fed even numbers of ballots, that's a smoking gun.
Here is my take on the above information:... and then you went full-on CAPS LOCK-stuck crazy.
Huh? What's is a caps-lock? I never EVER caps lock except to go all bold. When I do that my browser likes to 'autocorrect' (i hate chromium!) Also the ad-blocker is hanging the system too much. Sorry if my BOLD STATEMENTS frighten you. Here, have some fun with these:Is it me, or did this thread get real boring once @SHARK and I stopped posting?Just you. The partisanship gets tiring. It's like having kids screaming all day behind you.Wow! What a crazy person! Good thing there is no such thing as voter fraud in this election! Here’s the PROOF:The procedural links have correct information, and the arguments about jurisdiction seem reasonable (not a lawyer, so I can't assess whether they really hold up). Alito shifting the date ends a whole suite of conspiracy theories. I'd like to see more about those voting machines. If they're really turning out biased results when fed even numbers of ballots, that's a smoking gun.Here is my take on the above information:... and then you went full-on CAPS LOCK-stuck crazy.
Is it me, or did this thread get real boring once @SHARK and I stopped posting?
Huh? What's is a caps-lock? I never EVER caps lock except to go all bold. When I do that my browser likes to 'autocorrect' (i hate chromium!) Also the ad-blocker is hanging the system too much. Sorry if my BOLD STATEMENTS frighten you. Here, have some fun with these:<caps lock on>THOSE ARE EITHER OLD OR DON'T MEAN A LOT WITHOUT ADDITIONAL CONTEXT. <caps lock off> I'm more interested in the test of the voting machines. That can be independently verified.
https://www.theepochtimes.com/voting-machine-usb-drives-had-totals-altered-overnight-witness-in-nevada-election-contest-alleges_3604396.html
https://v1.nitrocdn.com/PtUefQrfncdsWOjilqcqdvGyQbUvpoWC/assets/desktop/optimized/rev-fd11ab2/media/bbd2930e3d1aac383aebf52f50803d88.EoY0p0iXMAA75UR
https://twitter.com/RepGosar/status/1334888127668891649
https://twitter.com/KanekoaTheGreat/status/1334572762933805056
https://twitter.com/kylenabecker/status/1334588448943042560
https://twitter.com/Wizard_Predicts/status/1334912358494461954
See? absolutely nothing to fear but fud itself! ;D
Oh. Well, why don't you come to my house and stop me. Your local Action Committee members know where I live.Is it me, or did this thread get real boring once @SHARK and I stopped posting?
It would be awesome if you stopped the Gish gallop bullshit. It's one of the least persuasive forms of argumentation, and you're particularly obvious in doing it.
You're so silly. This places attracts CT nutters like flies on shit.Oh. Well, why don't you come to my house and stop me. Your local Action Committee members know where I live.Is it me, or did this thread get real boring once @SHARK and I stopped posting?
It would be awesome if you stopped the Gish gallop bullshit. It's one of the least persuasive forms of argumentation, and you're particularly obvious in doing it.
Because, I will never stop.
ever.
Until I AM DEAD.
Oh. Well, why don't you come to my house and stop me. Your local Action Committee members know where I live.Is it me, or did this thread get real boring once @SHARK and I stopped posting?
It would be awesome if you stopped the Gish gallop bullshit. It's one of the least persuasive forms of argumentation, and you're particularly obvious in doing it.
Because, I will never stop.
ever.
Until I AM DEAD.
Well, good luck if they prove the cause of death was the very technique the city trained the officers to use against a non compliant subject. I think that will be an interesting situation. I also get the feeling you just do not like cops. I have the feeling you are the sort who is pretty quick to call the police should you be offered up a slap on the face in a dispute on the sidewalks. I sure hope you get the sort of police you deserve..Did you read your own source? Or just get a clue from the URL itself? The claim that Floyd died of a drug overdose is ruled False. Autopsy says homicide, as I said.
Of course I read the source, that is how come I knew that he had a fatal overdose of Fentanyl.
As for homicide, that would be up to the prosecutors to prove.
Reading but not understanding. Fatal overdose is irrelevant if it's not the cause of death, as your link says it is not. Cause of death was homicide; the charges brought include murder and manslaughter, which is what the prosecutors must prove. The cause of death will be relevant to prosecution and defense, but "he would have died anyway of X" is not a defense if X is not the cause of death.
I only wish I could be alive to HANG YOU ALL BY THE NECK UNTIL DEAD – PARTICULARLY FOR WHAT YOU PEOPLE HAVE DONE TO ME AND MINE.
Because, I will never stop.
ever.
Until I AM DEAD.
Patriotism =/= partisanship.
We're so far past any delusion that today's leftists have anything in common with their Democrat counterparts even two generations ago. ne awake to plot your personal chess moves.
I thought they played the senile card on him because he slurs his speech, forgets where he is, says some odd stuff, flies of the handle, and breaks his foot playing with his dog naked fresh out of the shower.Patriotism =/= partisanship.
We're so far past any delusion that today's leftists have anything in common with their Democrat counterparts even two generations ago. ne awake to plot your personal chess moves.
Biden IS a Democrat from two generations ago! In fact, I'd say from more than two generations ago. I've watched him run for President since the 80s. I think it's why so many Trump supporters want to play the senile card on him (despite his age being not that far off from Trump himself) is they badly need people not remembering that he's as standard a Democrat as they come from the era when standard Democrat wasn't radical in any way. Mondale, John Glenn, Alan Cranston, Bill Bradley, Gephardt, Gary Hart, they're all similar to Joe Biden.
Democrats two generations ago were taking Chinese money and covering up for their crackhead children? Huh. Whodathunkit.Patriotism =/= partisanship.
We're so far past any delusion that today's leftists have anything in common with their Democrat counterparts even two generations ago. ne awake to plot your personal chess moves.
Biden IS a Democrat from two generations ago! In fact, I'd say from more than two generations ago. I've watched him run for President since the 80s. I think it's why so many Trump supporters want to play the senile card on him (despite his age being not that far off from Trump himself) is they badly need people not remembering that he's as standard a Democrat as they come from the era when standard Democrat wasn't radical in any way. Mondale, John Glenn, Alan Cranston, Bill Bradley, Gephardt, Gary Hart, they're all similar to Joe Biden.
Is it me, or did this thread get real boring once @SHARK and I stopped posting?
It would be awesome if you stopped the Gish gallop bullshit. It's one of the least persuasive forms of argumentation, and you're particularly obvious in doing it.
Happy Safe Harbor Eve to President-elect Biden and a grateful nation!
Happy Safe Harbor Eve to President-elect Biden and a grateful nation!
Happy Safe Harbor Eve to President-elect Biden and a grateful nation!
suffocate themselves
suffocate themselves
Oh, shit! I guess I never experienced shortness of breath, diziness or blurred vision (all indicators of lack of oxigen) from wearing a mask for prolonged periods of time cuz ONE guy briefly put on multiple masks and posted a video on twitter. #Pscience!If you experienced those symptoms, you were either wearing the mask wrong (not surprising since you seem to be a moron) or you were wearing something inappropriate as a mask (also because you seem to be a moron). More likely though, you're just lying.
Happy Safe Harbor Eve to President-elect Biden and a grateful nation!
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Oh, shit! I guess I never experienced shortness of breath, diziness or blurred vision (all indicators of lack of oxigen) from wearing a mask for prolonged periods of time cuz ONE guy briefly put on multiple masks and posted a video on twitter. #Pscience!
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The leftest masturbation continues.....
Oh, shit! I guess I never experienced shortness of breath, diziness or blurred vision (all indicators of lack of oxigen) from wearing a mask for prolonged periods of time cuz ONE guy briefly put on multiple masks and posted a video on twitter. #Pscience!If you experienced those symptoms, you were either wearing the mask wrong (not surprising since you seem to be a moron) or you were wearing something inappropriate as a mask (also because you seem to be a moron). More likely though, you're just lying.
Some of you aren't very bright. The COVID thread is that-a-way.
<caps lock on>THOSE ARE EITHER OLD OR DON'T MEAN A LOT WITHOUT ADDITIONAL CONTEXT. <caps lock off> I'm more interested in the test of the voting machines. That can be independently verified.
suffocate themselves
I only wish I could be alive to HANG YOU ALL BY THE NECK UNTIL DEAD – PARTICULARLY FOR WHAT YOU PEOPLE HAVE DONE TO ME AND MINE.
Ignore or trash the evidence. Or maybe WHINE about the AMOUNT OF PROOF, like Mr. Kim?
You look foolish doing so.
Happy Safe Harbor Eve to President-elect Biden and a grateful nation!
What the heck is a safe harbor eve? Is that some Canadian holiday?
suffocate themselves
How long until this guy tweets out video of himself in a hot tub with 10 other people?
suffocate themselves
How long until this guy tweets out video of himself in a hot tub with 10 other people?
suffocate themselves
How long until this guy tweets out video of himself in a hot tub with 10 other people?
Only after his next video on how to drink soup through your mask.
Democrats two generations ago were taking Chinese money and covering up for their crackhead children? Huh. Whodathunkit.Patriotism =/= partisanship.
We're so far past any delusion that today's leftists have anything in common with their Democrat counterparts even two generations ago. ne awake to plot your personal chess moves.
Biden IS a Democrat from two generations ago! In fact, I'd say from more than two generations ago. I've watched him run for President since the 80s. I think it's why so many Trump supporters want to play the senile card on him (despite his age being not that far off from Trump himself) is they badly need people not remembering that he's as standard a Democrat as they come from the era when standard Democrat wasn't radical in any way. Mondale, John Glenn, Alan Cranston, Bill Bradley, Gephardt, Gary Hart, they're all similar to Joe Biden.
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The leftest masturbation continues.....
Between your obsession with masturbation and SHARK's ceaseless use of the term, "cock-sucking", I'm beginning to wonder if this is a forum or a bath house...
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The leftest masturbation continues.....
Between your obsession with masturbation and SHARK's ceaseless use of the term, "cock-sucking", I'm beginning to wonder if this is a forum or a bath house...
I do sometimes wonder about SHARK's apparent obsession with men who suck penises as a way of expressing his angst.
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The leftest masturbation continues.....
Between your obsession with masturbation and SHARK's ceaseless use of the term, "cock-sucking", I'm beginning to wonder if this is a forum or a bath house...
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The leftest masturbation continues.....
Between your obsession with masturbation and SHARK's ceaseless use of the term, "cock-sucking", I'm beginning to wonder if this is a forum or a bath house...
I do sometimes wonder about SHARK's apparent obsession with men who suck penises as a way of expressing his angst.
Happy Safe Harbor Eve to President-elect Biden and a grateful nation!
What the heck is a safe harbor eve? Is that some Canadian holiday?
He's referring to tomorrow ( Dec 8 ), which is legally the "safe harbor" within federal law for the states selecting electors. The electors will meet and vote next Monday (Dec 14), but tomorrow is the federal deadline for challenging electors.
https://www.fox6now.com/news/safe-harbor-deadline-heres-why-dec-8-matters-in-the-2020-election
Don't be shaming their kinks and fetishes, Jeff. :)Fap fap fap
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Between your obsession with masturbation and SHARK's ceaseless use of the term, "cock-sucking", I'm beginning to wonder if this is a forum or a bath house...
For us, it's a forum. For you, rawma, HappyDaze, Mistwell, and jhkim it is a booth at a porn shop where you can jack off to your favorite fantasies.
Happy Safe Harbor Eve to President-elect Biden and a grateful nation!
What the heck is a safe harbor eve? Is that some Canadian holiday?
He's referring to tomorrow ( Dec 8 ), which is legally the "safe harbor" within federal law for the states selecting electors. The electors will meet and vote next Monday (Dec 14), but tomorrow is the federal deadline for challenging electors.
https://www.fox6now.com/news/safe-harbor-deadline-heres-why-dec-8-matters-in-the-2020-election
Ah, it was a sad little trolling attempt then. Gotcha.
Don't be shaming their kinks and fetishes, Jeff. :)Fap fap fap
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Between your obsession with masturbation and SHARK's ceaseless use of the term, "cock-sucking", I'm beginning to wonder if this is a forum or a bath house...
For us, it's a forum. For you, rawma, HappyDaze, Mistwell, and jhkim it is a booth at a porn shop where you can jack off to your favorite fantasies.
Happy Safe Harbor Eve to President-elect Biden and a grateful nation!
What the heck is a safe harbor eve? Is that some Canadian holiday?
He's referring to tomorrow ( Dec 8 ), which is legally the "safe harbor" within federal law for the states selecting electors. The electors will meet and vote next Monday (Dec 14), but tomorrow is the federal deadline for challenging electors.
https://www.fox6now.com/news/safe-harbor-deadline-heres-why-dec-8-matters-in-the-2020-election
Ah, it was a sad little trolling attempt then. Gotcha.
LOL you think the law is trolling you?
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The reason the Crowder/BingoBongo/Dilley/Pool types are clinging so hard to the fraud BS is that their grifting pool will dry up as soon as Biden is sworn in.
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Between your obsession with masturbation and SHARK's ceaseless use of the term, "cock-sucking", I'm beginning to wonder if this is a forum or a bath house...
For us, it's a forum. For you, rawma, HappyDaze, Mistwell, and jhkim it is a booth at a porn shop where you can jack off to your favorite fantasies.
There you go with that masturbation talk again
Everyone I don't like is a grifter.
Greetings!Hey! Great video - I also heard about that legal theory. Keep it up @SHARK! :)
Well, despite all the screeching and crowing about "Safe Harbor" day, Attorney Jenna Ellis has a very different analysis.
Semper Fidelis,
SHARK
=========================This is comedy gold. Don't ever break character, you crazy motherfucker!
To the posters in this thread:
I have to remind everyone, just in case I have not made myself or my intentions clear - when I seem to become ANGERED, I am not refering to YOU. I am merely posting relevant information for the thread, which certain people DO NOT WANT ME TO DO! It is to be read by those who KNOW what I am talking about. If it sounds like insane rambling/threats, then it is NOT intended for anyone here posting. Let me explain: I know who is lurking here, absolutely no account on this site. The fact I POST these seemingly random and vitriolic rants is only for them and their DA Networks. Let's just say, my time is running short and my patience with them is running thin. Try as they might, I will NOT give in to their FUD. Who are they? I am not willing to discuss that at this time, but allow me to reassure EVERYONE HERE POSTING: I will never give up my fight!
Greetings!While I sympathize, the areas you're most likely to see Antifa in are usually ones where the left has infested law enforcement, particularly the DA's offices.
Ahh, yes. Antifa/BLM thugs gather together in Olympia, Washington, and assume they can stomp on *patriots*
The fucking Communists get their asses beat down. Watching the Communist scum retreat while they Reee and cry is just so delicious. Makes enjoying some coffee even better!
I know some patriots that would have been armed up right, and would have brought down even more righteous wrath down on these traitors. Patriots need to start cleaning the streets right and *proper* Roman Gladius swords and lead pipes could prove useful in such circumstances as well.
Our good Patriots in Olympia are doing an excellent job of resisting these filthy, Communist animals.
Semper Fidelis,
SHARK
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2020/12/watch-multiple-brawls-break-trump-supporters-antifa-olympia-militant-leftist-puts-desperate-call-backup-twitter/
The reason the Crowder/BingoBongo/Dilley/Pool types are clinging so hard to the fraud BS is that their grifting pool will dry up as soon as Biden is sworn in.
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Between your obsession with masturbation and SHARK's ceaseless use of the term, "cock-sucking", I'm beginning to wonder if this is a forum or a bath house...
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The leftest masturbation continues.....
Between your obsession with masturbation and SHARK's ceaseless use of the term, "cock-sucking", I'm beginning to wonder if this is a forum or a bath house...
I guess if they fall in with your obsession with sodomy and you guys will have the holy trinity covered.
Greetings!While I sympathize, the areas you're most likely to see Antifa in are usually ones where the left has infested law enforcement, particularly the DA's offices.
Ahh, yes. Antifa/BLM thugs gather together in Olympia, Washington, and assume they can stomp on *patriots*
The fucking Communists get their asses beat down. Watching the Communist scum retreat while they Reee and cry is just so delicious. Makes enjoying some coffee even better!
I know some patriots that would have been armed up right, and would have brought down even more righteous wrath down on these traitors. Patriots need to start cleaning the streets right and *proper* Roman Gladius swords and lead pipes could prove useful in such circumstances as well.
Our good Patriots in Olympia are doing an excellent job of resisting these filthy, Communist animals.
Semper Fidelis,
SHARK
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2020/12/watch-multiple-brawls-break-trump-supporters-antifa-olympia-militant-leftist-puts-desperate-call-backup-twitter/
As a result, people defending themselves from Antifa scum are likely to be prosecuted under spurious charges. Even if the charges don't stick, the DA will drag out the process to maximize the abuse.
Greetings!While I sympathize, the areas you're most likely to see Antifa in are usually ones where the left has infested law enforcement, particularly the DA's offices.
Ahh, yes. Antifa/BLM thugs gather together in Olympia, Washington, and assume they can stomp on *patriots*
The fucking Communists get their asses beat down. Watching the Communist scum retreat while they Reee and cry is just so delicious. Makes enjoying some coffee even better!
I know some patriots that would have been armed up right, and would have brought down even more righteous wrath down on these traitors. Patriots need to start cleaning the streets right and *proper* Roman Gladius swords and lead pipes could prove useful in such circumstances as well.
Our good Patriots in Olympia are doing an excellent job of resisting these filthy, Communist animals.
Semper Fidelis,
SHARK
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2020/12/watch-multiple-brawls-break-trump-supporters-antifa-olympia-militant-leftist-puts-desperate-call-backup-twitter/
As a result, people defending themselves from Antifa scum are likely to be prosecuted under spurious charges. Even if the charges don't stick, the DA will drag out the process to maximize the abuse.
Greetings!
Yeah, my friend, I am afraid you are right on that! Leftist infiltration of the DA's in so many of these Liberal cities seem to be pathetic, mass breeding grounds for Antifa.
It has made me laugh on several occasions when the cops start beating the fuck out of these Antifa scum, they have curled up into fetal positions sobbing and begging not to be hurt! I also saw some jello boys crying about calling their mommies! *laughing* Fucking so pathetic! Then it's always ironic to see how "tough" these Antifa rats are when they *outnumber* an elderly woman, or an unarmed man--but Reeee and start sobbing like little bitches when some men that are armed and jacked stand up to them and start beating their asses.
I feel sorry for the good folks that are trapped in the Liberal shit holes where the Liberal DA's and Mayors let the Antifa and BLM animals run with a free reign.
Semper Fidelis,
SHARK
Happy Safe Harbor Eve to President-elect Biden and a grateful nation!
What the heck is a safe harbor eve? Is that some Canadian holiday?
I sure hope you get the sort of police you deserve.
Especially as it is being revealed that election fraud has been going on for decades, and that the majority of legal votes in those cities has likely been *against* the Liberals, who cheated their way into office.
For us, it's a forum. For you, rawma, HappyDaze, Mistwell, and jhkim it is a booth at a porn shop where you can jack off to your favorite fantasies.
Speaking of which... Happy Safe Harbor Day! Another milestone for the country in preserving our democracy.
Uhhh...You do realize we are not a democracy, right??A republic is a type of democracy. It's just not a direct democracy, except for ballot initiatives.
In other news, Georgia's SECOND recount has confirmed what we already knew. Biden has won Georgia. Again.
After that Ware County audit of the Dominion vote tabulator, I'd wonder if they hand counted them or not.In other news, Georgia's SECOND recount has confirmed what we already knew. Biden has won Georgia. Again.
Did they do the signature checks, or just recounted the fake ballots again?
I suppose when you are so ease with referring to someone "having their shit pushed in" you sort of miss your own obsession? I think the mirror is where you may want to confine your deep dives into psyche for a bit.Fap fap fap
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Between your obsession with masturbation and SHARK's ceaseless use of the term, "cock-sucking", I'm beginning to wonder if this is a forum or a bath house...
I guess if they fall in with your obsession with sodomy and you guys will have the holy trinity covered.
See, I was citing actual examples. You just started talking about sodomy out of nowhere. Nice projection I guess. I'm really starting to wonder about you guys. I'm not judging, you do you, sport.
In other news, Georgia's SECOND recount has confirmed what we already knew. Biden has won Georgia. Again.
Uhhh...You do realize we are not a democracy, right??A republic is a type of democracy. It's just not a direct democracy, except for ballot initiatives.
A better description might be 'democratic republic'. However, we are not a -pure- democracy which is what too many dimwitted shitheads seem to want -- until they're in the minority.Uhhh...You do realize we are not a democracy, right??A republic is a type of democracy. It's just not a direct democracy, except for ballot initiatives.
Pretty much. This is why I like to call the "We live in a republic, not a democracy" comments the "A lion is not a cat argument". It's just pointless hair splitting over the actual definition of things that actually do in fact fall within the category that's being discounted, it's just that it's a specific variant within that broader category. It's pedantic nonsense.
In other news, Georgia's SECOND recount has confirmed what we already knew. Biden has won Georgia. Again.
Did they do the signature checks, or just recounted the fake ballots again?
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Between your obsession with masturbation and SHARK's ceaseless use of the term, "cock-sucking", I'm beginning to wonder if this is a forum or a bath house...
For us, it's a forum. For you, rawma, HappyDaze, Mistwell, and jhkim it is a booth at a porn shop where you can jack off to your favorite fantasies.
There you go with that masturbation talk again
Your kink is not OK.
I sure hope you get the sort of police you deserve.
By virtue of living in progressive communities, with substantial community involvement including myself, I have gotten the sort of police I deserve, thank you. I would like to extend competent, honest, professional policing to all communities.
In other news, Georgia's SECOND recount has confirmed what we already knew. Biden has won Georgia. Again.
Did they do the signature checks, or just recounted the fake ballots again?
Uhhh...You do realize we are not a democracy, right??A republic is a type of democracy. It's just not a direct democracy, except for ballot initiatives.
Pretty much. This is why I like to call the "We live in a republic, not a democracy" comments the "A lion is not a cat argument". It's just pointless hair splitting over the actual definition of things that actually do in fact fall within the category that's being discounted, it's just that it's a specific variant within that broader category. It's pedantic nonsense.
A better description might be 'democratic republic'. However, we are not a -pure- democracy which is what too many dimwitted shitheads seem to want -- until they're in the minority.That's not even what they want. The people who wail about how the US is not a democracy are typically just decrying something like the Electoral College, and saying it should be replaced with a popular vote. But it doesn't matter how the public chooses them, if governmental power is delegated to selected representatives, then it's still a republic. In order to have a direct democracy, the US would have to get rid of Congress and have all legislation passed via ballot initiatives, and get rid of the presidency and replace it with town hall meetings where all executive action is the result of popular consensus. Something approximating that worked in the small towns of colonial New England, and in Athens and Republican Rome where the franchise was limited to a small class, but it isn't really feasible, with 250 million eligible voters.
I would love to see an explanation as to how you feed equal numbers of votes into a Dominion machine, and it magically spits out a total that favors one side.
The Ware County audit should be setting off all sorts of alarm bells.
Thank you for taking my call yesterday. I am writing to you to confirm our conversation of last week that on the hand recount that the Trump vote count went up to a total of 37 and Biden's count went down 37 or totals being Trump 9902 Biden 4174 and Jorgensen 116. Thank you for your response and your service to our country during these trying times.
No, you have not. But I think you will.I sure hope you get the sort of police you deserve.
By virtue of living in progressive communities, with substantial community involvement including myself, I have gotten the sort of police I deserve, thank you. I would like to extend competent, honest, professional policing to all communities.
"In any event, lawyers for the state wrote, the matter is largely moot, as the state’s election results in favor of Joseph R. Biden Jr. have been certified and submitted. The challengers’ remaining argument, they wrote, is that the Supreme Court should simply overturn the state’s election results. That request, they wrote, was breathtaking and unconstitutional."Nah. It did not end for the past 4 years from the old democrats. Pretty sure it will be more of similar BS from the right the next 4 years.
LOL. All of this whiny pussy bullshit by some Republicans will be ending very soon now.
"In any event, lawyers for the state wrote, the matter is largely moot, as the state’s election results in favor of Joseph R. Biden Jr. have been certified and submitted. The challengers’ remaining argument, they wrote, is that the Supreme Court should simply overturn the state’s election results. That request, they wrote, was breathtaking and unconstitutional."
LOL. All of this whiny pussy bullshit by some Republicans will be ending very soon now.
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The leftest masturbation continues.....
Between your obsession with masturbation and SHARK's ceaseless use of the term, "cock-sucking", I'm beginning to wonder if this is a forum or a bath house...
For us, it's a forum. For you, rawma, HappyDaze, Mistwell, and jhkim it is a booth at a porn shop where you can jack off to your favorite fantasies.
There you go with that masturbation talk again
Your kink is not OK.
Who are you to judge their kinks? Even if imaging you IS their kink?
jkin is right, the problem is not with the machines.
Keep your eye on the voter fraud ball : absentee ballots need signature comparison confirmation.
or that you inherently disrespect the people you’re responding to
or that you inherently disrespect the people you’re responding to
It's not inherent. The disrespect was earned. If you continue to behave like gullible asshole nutcases, eventually you lose respect. It's like we're debating with the guy ranting about religion on the street corner who is covered in his own filth. We get it - you lost your fucking minds and are demanding everyone else join you in your insanity. Which gets me my sympathy for your plight, but not my respect.
or that you inherently disrespect the people you’re responding to
It's not inherent. The disrespect was earned. If you continue to behave like gullible asshole nutcases, eventually you lose respect. It's like we're debating with the guy ranting about religion on the street corner who is covered in his own filth. We get it - you lost your fucking minds and are demanding everyone else join you in your insanity. Which gets me my sympathy for your plight, but not my respect.
I have no doubt the the king felt the same way in the 1770's. I guess he made a slight miscalculation or two as to how easily a bit of nutty ranting was going to blow over.
or that you inherently disrespect the people you’re responding to
It's not inherent. The disrespect was earned. If you continue to behave like gullible asshole nutcases, eventually you lose respect. It's like we're debating with the guy ranting about religion on the street corner who is covered in his own filth. We get it - you lost your fucking minds and are demanding everyone else join you in your insanity. Which gets me my sympathy for your plight, but not my respect.
or that you inherently disrespect the people you’re responding to
It's not inherent. The disrespect was earned. If you continue to behave like gullible asshole nutcases, eventually you lose respect. It's like we're debating with the guy ranting about religion on the street corner who is covered in his own filth. We get it - you lost your fucking minds and are demanding everyone else join you in your insanity. Which gets me my sympathy for your plight, but not my respect.
Except its not insanity. You write "1 for 36 in court" in response to accusations of impropriety; implying that 35 courts made a decision whether the accusation was materially possible, or likely. The reality is the courts are declining to hear cases based on procedural issues, or other technical issues completely apart from the issues - materially similarly to a judge refusing to take a 10-year old accusation of theft says nothing as to whether the theft occurred or not.
(https://i.imgur.com/n1PetmH.jpg)
The real question is whether or not the people would accept that technicalities should overrule their concerns; i.e., whether they should "color revolution" in support of Trump because they think the election is a sham. The US encourages this in other countries so they can't really oppose it philosophically here.
You desperately don't want that to happen, so you spin all of this in response as smarter people than you saying you're full of shit. Sit back down, boy - you're stupid. Accept the process. There's nothing wrong here, you're just too dumb or deranged to understand.
But in doing so you're going beyond what your "sources" actually say and load it with meaning not even present. Depending upon them to not see, which is itself manipulating whatever trust they may have, or even a simple difference in ability. Because the means justify the end.
WHAT. WILL. YOU. DO. WHEN. BIDEN. IS. SWORN. IN. AND. NO. CIVIL. WAR. HAPPENS?
There is one minor benefit to this rules change. Now people who say things like, "I bet you're a Trump supporter" can also be banned for attempting to bait someone into breaking the rules. And that's not speculation - they mention that.
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Maybe there's some spit-polish on it that might otherwise be missing from a non-Hollywood game, but it hardly rises to the energy you're wasting on it. Just my two cents...
Mercer gets a lot of attention, so Pundit is bashing him to gain attention for himself. It's not more complicated than that. Pundit is trying to ride Mercer's coat tails, sort of like CNN rides Trump's coat tails. Anything for ratings (though I am not sure it's working for Pundy).
There is of course another option. It could be Pundy is pissed Mercer is stealing his shtick. After all, The RPG Pundit is itself an act.
Quote from: Shasarak;1121839I dont know if it is because of the Jews but Bob is not wrong that the Media hates Trump.
Seems like a storm in a tea cup to me.
It's not. He's said some very antisemitic things. Things which have nothing to do with Trump or the media. Would you like to see more of them, so you can see this is not a storm in a tea cup sort of thing? I am not exaggerating - there is some really bad stuff in there, and this is not about being a Conservative or a Trump Supporter - stuff which goes back before Trump in fact.
You think there is some special permanent movement going on with Trumpism, but it's not. It's just going into the scrap heap with the Tea Party, and then the Religious Right before them. The overwhelming majority of the 20th and 21st century has just be ordinary Republicanism, with some drift to neo cons. None of which is Trumpism, and none of which will be Trumpism ever again. Your guy flamed out, and went down looking like a whiny little pussy bitch doing it. Voters are not going to want to associate with such a loser any more. Americans don't like losers.
Americans don't like losers.
Americans don't like losers.
Then why the fuck did they supposedly elect a senile old man.
Americans don't like losers.
Then why the fuck did they supposedly elect a senile old man.
If Americans dont like losers then how come old Mccain suddenly gets so much love?
How come we always have to remember the Alamo?
Seems like Americans got a secret love for losers.
I don't have to consider what I would do in that situation until it happens. That's not running from anything; that's refusing to entertain a tactic of persuasion; it's how to pace and lead someone into acquiescence - if they say they won't accept, you'll call them internet tough guy.
Here's what I won't do: I won't go chameleon and act neutral when I'm not. Men inherently despise other men who only take visible stands for something when it looks like they're safe, but who stay quiet when they don't have the advantage. That's you Mistwell. Anyone can search your profile for "trump" and see the difference in how you present when MAGA is ascendant vs when its fighting for legitimacy. There's only a handful of entries outside of this thread.There is one minor benefit to this rules change. Now people who say things like, "I bet you're a Trump supporter" can also be banned for attempting to bait someone into breaking the rules. And that's not speculation - they mention that.Quote from: trechriron;1071648
Maybe there's some spit-polish on it that might otherwise be missing from a non-Hollywood game, but it hardly rises to the energy you're wasting on it. Just my two cents...
Mercer gets a lot of attention, so Pundit is bashing him to gain attention for himself. It's not more complicated than that. Pundit is trying to ride Mercer's coat tails, sort of like CNN rides Trump's coat tails. Anything for ratings (though I am not sure it's working for Pundy).
There is of course another option. It could be Pundy is pissed Mercer is stealing his shtick. After all, The RPG Pundit is itself an act.Quote from: Shasarak;1121839I dont know if it is because of the Jews but Bob is not wrong that the Media hates Trump.
Seems like a storm in a tea cup to me.
It's not. He's said some very antisemitic things. Things which have nothing to do with Trump or the media. Would you like to see more of them, so you can see this is not a storm in a tea cup sort of thing? I am not exaggerating - there is some really bad stuff in there, and this is not about being a Conservative or a Trump Supporter - stuff which goes back before Trump in fact.
Very different tone fromYou think there is some special permanent movement going on with Trumpism, but it's not. It's just going into the scrap heap with the Tea Party, and then the Religious Right before them. The overwhelming majority of the 20th and 21st century has just be ordinary Republicanism, with some drift to neo cons. None of which is Trumpism, and none of which will be Trumpism ever again. Your guy flamed out, and went down looking like a whiny little pussy bitch doing it. Voters are not going to want to associate with such a loser any more. Americans don't like losers.
So what will I do? Not sure, and I wouldn't post it here if I did. But I know that whatever I do will be consistent, and dependable, and principled. Not head-down. Not safely quiet. Not RINO. Not Mistwell.
WHAT. WILL. YOU. DO. WHEN. BIDEN. IS. SWORN. IN. AND. NO. CIVIL. WAR. HAPPENS?
WHAT. WILL. YOU. DO. WHEN. BIDEN. IS. SWORN. IN. AND. NO. CIVIL. WAR. HAPPENS?
Civil war is already happening! Did you miss the riots and destruction of statues and civil property? The shredding of the Constitution in the name of the sniffles? The question isn't IF civil war is happens, its IF the Right answers the Left.
How can you guys let Soviet Canuckistan make you guys look like such idiots? We're a fucking banana republic and we have our elections sorted out.
Yep. We've literally got people trying to secceed from the country in some major cities, like Seattle and Portland. Granted they've been sad little affairs, but the governors have done next to nothing about it, and let blocks of their cities go lawless for months at a time.
The riots and secessions are going to increase under a Biden administration when it turns out he's not going to hand out free rainbow lollipops and make the bad conservatives go away.
Yep. We've literally got people trying to secceed from the country in some major cities, like Seattle and Portland. Granted they've been sad little affairs, but the governors have done next to nothing about it, and let blocks of their cities go lawless for months at a time.
The riots and secessions are going to increase under a Biden administration when it turns out he's not going to hand out free rainbow lollipops and make the bad conservatives go away.
Poor old CHAZ gets no respect.
The Rodney Dangerfield of autonomous zones.
I've ALWAYS been a neo con. I like the neo cons. I've always supported the neo cons. I know you think they're "Not true Republican" or some bullshit, but they're consistently the Republicans I've known and loved my whole life.
Trump isn't. That doesn't make me a RINO - it makes your guy the outlier. You guys are Trump supporters, not Republican supporters. You only care if someone supports Trump - not if they support actual Republican principals and policies. Trumps immigration policies are not Republican policies. His trade war policies are not Republican policies. His globalism policies are not Republican policies. His approach to certain international allies are not Republican policies. NONE of this is Republican policies - it's just Trump policies which had more in common with the pro-union left of the 1970s than they do with Republican policies.
Trump is the RINO. It's not even clear he was voting for Republicans all these years, and he sure as fuck doesn't support most Republican policies. You guys got suckered by a populist first, who chose the Republican party because it was the easiest path for his populism.
Does my position still sound safe to you?
At the end of the day, Biden will be President and you guys will just be more sore losers along with those moping leftists from 2004 and the SJW progressives who lost this election as well.
"In healthy societies, older leaders age out and make room for younger leaders who take over for them after a lengthy period of study and apprenticeship. In sick societies, older leaders cling to power with no one competent there to replace them and once they die are replaced by traitors and criminals. The USSR and the USA are two such examples."
We’re all just posting on the Internet Misty. I’ll give you props for more than that when you post a video of yourself calling shark a dumbass to his face.
No, you’re not exercising any special bravery here.
You’re enjoying the moment low-hierarchy men crave: to verbally ridicule what you oppose after you think it’s lost. You're not out celebrating with never-trumpers or Dems; you’re choosing to come here instead to a thread you stayed out of until the election results came in, to tap dance.
And that’s fine; I’m not upset we are where we’re at as a country at this moment. So many people are talking about the clarity of it. And who knows? The entire thing might jump the rails of the process, so we still get Trump + clarity (or the 8 state-SCOTUS case you don’t mention could pan out). But even if all we get is clarity, that’s OK. The neocon grift over the base, where corporate welfare and globalism get taken care of, while the base gets to see their kids die in sand wars for Boeing’s stock price, is more at-risk than ever.
Nothing the voters want can happen teaming with neocons. Separating from your side is more immediately important than even preventing the Democrat wing of the uniparty bird from visible power. No one’s crying over here. They’re just updating their world view.
WHAT. WILL. YOU. DO. WHEN. BIDEN. IS. SWORN. IN. AND. NO. CIVIL. WAR. HAPPENS?
Civil war is already happening! Did you miss the riots and destruction of statues and civil property? The shredding of the Constitution in the name of the sniffles? The question isn't IF civil war is happens, its IF the Right answers the Left.
You believe the Right will continue to live on their knees.
You may be correct.
The establishment Republicans are quite sure "Trumpers" will get in line and vote as they're told in the future. I expect that is true for those people who identify as Republicans instead of nationalists.
Biden's handlers are globalists and globalism/communism is incompatible with nationalism, and especially incompatible with American tradition. Thus, if Biden becomes "president", the entire culture war will only increase in intensity.
It is not sensible to believe the USA is immune to such violence and conflict, especially as we are a nation born of violence and already fought one civil war....and the Right is heavily armed, rural and blue-collar, thus far more capable of initiating and sustaining a conflict than the Left who are heavily dependent on the fragile infrastructures we take for granted in the modern world.
EDIT: Here you go @SHARK https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O1l-nR1Apj4 <===TAKE A LOOKSEE!
I charged swiftly through the gathered crowd, up to their little stage, and grabbed the American flag out of this fucker's hands. I had my fist raised, and he exclaimed to me, demanding that I give the American flag back to him. I told him straight to his face that I would kill him right there before God and everyone if he desecrated the American flag. Several other students sought to take the flag from my grip, and I snarled at them, holding the flag tightly, "Who wants to die first?"(https://media.giphy.com/media/1009wQ2WcsEmBO/source.gif)
I charged swiftly through the gathered crowd, up to their little stage, and grabbed the American flag out of this fucker's hands. I had my fist raised, and he exclaimed to me, demanding that I give the American flag back to him. I told him straight to his face that I would kill him right there before God and everyone if he desecrated the American flag. Several other students sought to take the flag from my grip, and I snarled at them, holding the flag tightly, "Who wants to die first?"(https://media.giphy.com/media/1009wQ2WcsEmBO/source.gif)
Do you have a source on this? As far as I can see, the origin of the stories I see is a screen shot of an email saying this:
His political bullshit is pure troll and 1000% internet tough guy nonsense, but his gaming posts are usually fairly good.I charged swiftly through the gathered crowd, up to their little stage, and grabbed the American flag out of this fucker's hands. I had my fist raised, and he exclaimed to me, demanding that I give the American flag back to him. I told him straight to his face that I would kill him right there before God and everyone if he desecrated the American flag. Several other students sought to take the flag from my grip, and I snarled at them, holding the flag tightly, "Who wants to die first?"(https://media.giphy.com/media/1009wQ2WcsEmBO/source.gif)
I will say, it's been fun trying to figure out if SHARK is a troll or counter-troll or the real deal. This one was pretty juicy. :D
His political bullshit is pure troll and 1000% internet tough guy nonsense, but his gaming posts are usually fairly good.I charged swiftly through the gathered crowd, up to their little stage, and grabbed the American flag out of this fucker's hands. I had my fist raised, and he exclaimed to me, demanding that I give the American flag back to him. I told him straight to his face that I would kill him right there before God and everyone if he desecrated the American flag. Several other students sought to take the flag from my grip, and I snarled at them, holding the flag tightly, "Who wants to die first?"(https://media.giphy.com/media/1009wQ2WcsEmBO/source.gif)
I will say, it's been fun trying to figure out if SHARK is a troll or counter-troll or the real deal. This one was pretty juicy. :D
Do you have a source on this? As far as I can see, the origin of the stories I see is a screen shot of an email saying this:
https://gellerreport.com/2020/12/georgia-dominion-machine-gives.html/
I agree about the 26% vs 0.26% argument, they need to iron that out. It may be an issue of how the numbers are laid out. If every vote cast gives Trump 1 vote, but Biden gets 1.26 votes... then yeah, it's accurate enough.
However, that's almost pointless. The presence of any kind of 'weighting' algorithm is a BAD THING. It should not have been present in tabulating machines for an election. The excuse they used ('oh, it's for calculating votes by land ownership')... what? Where is THAT a thing?
Yeah, the land ownership thing is supposedly from a Dominion rep. Digging to see where I found it.Do you have a source on this? As far as I can see, the origin of the stories I see is a screen shot of an email saying this:
https://gellerreport.com/2020/12/georgia-dominion-machine-gives.html/
I agree about the 26% vs 0.26% argument, they need to iron that out. It may be an issue of how the numbers are laid out. If every vote cast gives Trump 1 vote, but Biden gets 1.26 votes... then yeah, it's accurate enough.
However, that's almost pointless. The presence of any kind of 'weighting' algorithm is a BAD THING. It should not have been present in tabulating machines for an election. The excuse they used ('oh, it's for calculating votes by land ownership')... what? Where is THAT a thing?
But there is no evidence of any weighting algorithm. Look at your headline -- "Using sequestered Dominion Equipment, GA. County Ran EQUAL Number of Trump and Biden Votes But Tabulator Reported 26% Lead For Biden".
But the supposed source for that headline is the same VoterGA email screenshot, which says "Thank you for taking my call yesterday. I am writing to you to confirm our conversation of last week that on the hand recount that the Trump vote count went up to a total of 37 and Biden's count went down 37 or totals being Trump 9902 Biden 4174 and Jorgensen 116. Thank you for your response and your service to our country during these trying times."
No part of that headline fits their own cited source. (1) the equipment was not sequestered; (2) they did not run equal numbers of Trump and Biden votes; (3) it did not result in a 26% lead for Biden.
There was a hand recount that got a different total from the machine-fed count -- but there is no indication that it was from a software algorithm as opposed to human error. Incidentally, you say there is a quote "oh, it's for calculating votes by land ownership" - but I can't find anything like that even in your article.
And before you start dancing around cheering how 'the machines are correct'...
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2020/12/georgia-county-cant-certify-election-results-recount-cant-duplicate-results-voting-machines/
They had to hand-recount theirs. Makes you wonder.
And before you start dancing around cheering how 'the machines are correct'...
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2020/12/georgia-county-cant-certify-election-results-recount-cant-duplicate-results-voting-machines/
They had to hand-recount theirs. Makes you wonder.
Greetings!
I am quite suspicious of the Dominion machines. Smartmatic, Dominion, and so on. Fuck all that BS. They need to hand count every ballot, verify identity and envelopes and signatures.
I am so sick of all of the margins and exceptions and excuses that these voting officials have.
Semper Fidelis,
SHARK
Yeah, the land ownership thing is supposedly from a Dominion rep. Digging to see where I found it.
Trying to find a clear answer is getting harder, even if you don't use a search engine that'll weigh your results. It'll be interesting to see who's right. If the lefties are correct, how the hell did the audit team manage to get a different result of 37 switched ballots? And if the audit is correct, it means the Dominion machines are not reliable AT ALL.
Remember, hacking of voter machines was considered a serious possibility by "experts" when Trump won, but now, it's a conspiracy theory when Biden looks to be the "winner".
https://twitter.com/mynbc15/status/801610035738673152
Remember, hacking of voter machines was considered a serious possibility by "experts" when Trump won, but now, it's a conspiracy theory when Biden looks to be the "winner".
https://twitter.com/mynbc15/status/801610035738673152
Greetings!
Exactly, my friend! You know, I have read numerous articles, reports and testimonies--by both Republicans but also especially Democrats--going back several years that brought up deep concerns over voting by mail in ballots, and also using Dominion and Smartmatic voting machines. Lots of suspicions and problems--but now, somehow, as long as Trump was defeated, there's no worries? There's nothing to see here?
The self-interest, the swarmy duplicity of the Democrats is galling.
Now though, anyone that voices dissent, that questions these procedures and machines is somehow a fucking conspiracy theorist and a nutter? I don't think so. I think there are valid concerns, and full and thorough investigations need to be carried out--and not just gargling, smug, rubber-stamp assertions and condescending reassurances.
Semper Fidelis,
SHARK
Damn you guys are gona REEEEE so hard on January 20th. I'm ordering popcorn in bulk.
I am not going to be anywhere near a civil war, nor do I predict same. You assume lots of things. I would also say, you are far removed from the real life grumbling going out here in flyover country. I have no idea when we begin to see harsh civil unrest. We have already seen impeachment, investigations of in coming administrations, cities burning.... Do you need to see massive groups of people shooting at one another to be clued in things may not run in the future as they always have? I do not know where in the 1770's we are right now, maybe 1770? Trump is not my guy. I was shocked that a politician decided to take US interests to heart first for a change, and be vocal about it. If you think that is going away, you may be the stupid one.or that you inherently disrespect the people you’re responding to
It's not inherent. The disrespect was earned. If you continue to behave like gullible asshole nutcases, eventually you lose respect. It's like we're debating with the guy ranting about religion on the street corner who is covered in his own filth. We get it - you lost your fucking minds and are demanding everyone else join you in your insanity. Which gets me my sympathy for your plight, but not my respect.
I have no doubt the the king felt the same way in the 1770's. I guess he made a slight miscalculation or two as to how easily a bit of nutty ranting was going to blow over.
Just more bullshit internet tough guy bluff.
The Supreme Court, and the lower courts and investigations, will all conclude there is no case to be made here. The electors will certify Biden won. Biden will be sworn in. There will be no civil war. All that will be left is a bunch of idiots bitching whining moaning and complaining like the sore losers they are that the election was stolen like Bigfoot believers.
You want to think this will be like the Revolutionary war? Cool story broheim. When that doesn't happen, then what? How stupid do you think will you look when Biden is sworn in and nothing else happens? Yes, more stupid than you're thinking you will look.
You think there is some special permanent movement going on with Trumpism, but it's not. It's just going into the scrap heap with the Tea Party, and then the Religious Right before them. The overwhelming majority of the 20th and 21st century has just be ordinary Republicanism, with some drift to neo cons. None of which is Trumpism, and none of which will be Trumpism ever again. Your guy flamed out, and went down looking like a whiny little pussy bitch doing it. Voters are not going to want to associate with such a loser any more. Americans don't like losers.
Damn you guys are gona REEEEE so hard on January 20th. I'm ordering popcorn in bulk.
Damn you guys are gona REEEEE so hard on January 20th. I'm ordering popcorn in bulk.You mean the way you did in 2017? Doubtful. I do not expect some legal blockage of a national election, even if it could be proven beyond all doubt democrats rigged it. It would literally tear the country in half, with blood and fire. I do find it odd some states stand at hard odds with others legally, seems I have heard that tune before.
Damn you guys are gona REEEEE so hard on January 20th. I'm ordering popcorn in bulk.
Believe him, Tubesock is an expert at Reeeing.
its nice to see biscuit back.Damn you guys are gona REEEEE so hard on January 20th. I'm ordering popcorn in bulk.
Believe him, Tubesock is an expert at Reeeing.
Tubesock Army signed up to this forum just to REEEE. I mean...it's freaking name is Tubesock Army (Tubesock? As in sockpuppet? How many times were you banned, bruh?). That is Tubesock Army's commitment to REEEEing.
To heal as a nation we must decree that each year the various Republican states offer up 1 young man & woman to fight to the death in a pageant of, honor, courage, & sacrifice. The lone survivor would serve as a reminder of the Democrats’ generosity & forgiveness.
Tubesock Army signed up to this forum just to REEEE. I mean...it's freaking name is Tubesock Army (Tubesock? As in sockpuppet? How many times were you banned, bruh?). That is Tubesock Army's commitment to REEEEing.
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Well, all you've done is REEEE at the dissenters in this area, other than one snotty comment in the RPG forum sniping at someone.Tubesock Army signed up to this forum just to REEEE. I mean...it's freaking name is Tubesock Army (Tubesock? As in sockpuppet? How many times were you banned, bruh?). That is Tubesock Army's commitment to REEEEing.
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https://twitter.com/henryrodgersdc/status/1336713445190873089?s=21
Edit - ok, one comment: a dark humor response as seen in the InternetQuoteTo heal as a nation we must decree that each year the various Republican states offer up 1 young man & woman to fight to the death in a pageant of, honor, courage, & sacrifice. The lone survivor would serve as a reminder of the Democrats’ generosity & forgiveness.
Damn you guys are gona REEEEE so hard on January 20th. I'm ordering popcorn in bulk.Oh, this is a slow-sipping drink that will provide me months of joy. I didn't want Biden to win, but I have accepted it and I get great pleasure from the REEEEEs of those that cannot (including whiny bitches like SHARK that have shown they are exactly what they rail against).
Hi shark,
Michigan state assembly rather than US congress, but yes.
This was the same person who used her one question to ask the one of the people testifying about fraud before the Michigan assembly, to please spell out their last name and also their maiden name.
Damn you guys are gona REEEEE so hard on January 20th. I'm ordering popcorn in bulk.Oh, this is a slow-sipping drink that will provide me months of joy. I didn't want Biden to win, but I have accepted it and I get great pleasure from the REEEEEs of those that cannot (including whiny bitches like SHARK that have shown they are exactly what they rail against).
Cry louder for me, fishy. You're a fucking joke, and I'm happy that others are starting to call you on your politically supercharged idiocy and pro-escalation of violence bullshit for what it is.Damn you guys are gona REEEEE so hard on January 20th. I'm ordering popcorn in bulk.Oh, this is a slow-sipping drink that will provide me months of joy. I didn't want Biden to win, but I have accepted it and I get great pleasure from the REEEEEs of those that cannot (including whiny bitches like SHARK that have shown they are exactly what they rail against).
Greetings!
*Laughing*
No, I'm not a "whiny bitch" about anything. I am certainly not what *I* rail against. I see our country more and more influenced by Marxist ideology, and by Marxist-Globalists and Communists. The fact that you disparage and REEE against me about this merely reveals how blind and ignorant you truly are, HappyDaze.
Semper Fidelis,
SHARK
Well, lefties escalated to violence and they won..so...Cry louder for me, fishy. You're a fucking joke, and I'm happy that others are starting to call you on your politically supercharged idiocy and pro-escalation of violence bullshit for what it is.Damn you guys are gona REEEEE so hard on January 20th. I'm ordering popcorn in bulk.Oh, this is a slow-sipping drink that will provide me months of joy. I didn't want Biden to win, but I have accepted it and I get great pleasure from the REEEEEs of those that cannot (including whiny bitches like SHARK that have shown they are exactly what they rail against).
Greetings!
*Laughing*
No, I'm not a "whiny bitch" about anything. I am certainly not what *I* rail against. I see our country more and more influenced by Marxist ideology, and by Marxist-Globalists and Communists. The fact that you disparage and REEE against me about this merely reveals how blind and ignorant you truly are, HappyDaze.
Semper Fidelis,
SHARK
Oh, and I though you were ignoring me. Can't stay away, huh?
A part of the left really did. And the other part tried to claim that it was for a "good cause" (it wasn't, learn to investigate a little, morons), or they tried to pretend it wasn't even happening, or that it was "really coming from the Alt-right"(you have to be kidding me, I saw it for myself this time). No wonder why people on the right don't trust their articles, "fact checks", or wise-ass think pieces.
Well, lefties escalated to violence and they won..so...
I hope they are fucking strung up and hung. Every fucking executive. All their cock-sucking staff strung out and crushed. Their company bankrupted and all their money and assets seized. Crush them out, and put the fear of God in all of them. Get them at Midnight, and throw them into the fucking truck. Do this over and over again, to every cock-sucking Liberal traitor company. All of these "Fact Checker" companies, the media outlets, the Big Tech companies. Every time they censor someone, every time they fucking open their cunt mouth and lie--they need to get fucking blasted with a flame-thrower. Hammer them relentlessly, so whenever even one of them suggests indulging their swarmy treasonous tactics, everyone around them has a diarrhea attack, turns white as fucking ghosts, and get that deer-in-the-headlights look. Do this relentlessly, every fucking time, and these shitty companies full of traitors and Liberal Marxist scum will fucking die.
A US Congresswoman threatening Trump supporters with violence? Jaw dropping. It's so incredible what Leftist Democrats can get away with in this country, with our media. *SHARK shakes head in dismay and disgust* I know, I know, nothing that is crazy, low, and treacherous from the Democrats should really surprise me anymore, but somehow, these kinds of episodes of hatred from them still does. *Sigh* And they claim to be "Americans".
This is exactly why we have recounts -- because we expect there to be some human error in the counts. And we can look and see that the recounts in any state never come up with the exact same number - because there is some margin of human error, usually between 0.01% and 0.1%. In Georgia, combining from all 159 counties, the 2020 recounts changed by around a thousand votes out of over 5 million cast, so around 0.03% change overall. Given 159 counties, there's bound to be some with more significant error in their recount, and some with less.In a good-sized state like Pennsylvania, where roughly 6.838 million people voted, that means the vote will be off by 683 to 6,813. In other words, your 1 vote amounts to nothing compared to the wave of human error.
I hope they are fucking strung up and hung. Every fucking executive. All their cock-sucking staff strung out and crushed. Their company bankrupted and all their money and assets seized. Crush them out, and put the fear of God in all of them. Get them at Midnight, and throw them into the fucking truck. Do this over and over again, to every cock-sucking Liberal traitor company. All of these "Fact Checker" companies, the media outlets, the Big Tech companies. Every time they censor someone, every time they fucking open their cunt mouth and lie--they need to get fucking blasted with a flame-thrower. Hammer them relentlessly, so whenever even one of them suggests indulging their swarmy treasonous tactics, everyone around them has a diarrhea attack, turns white as fucking ghosts, and get that deer-in-the-headlights look. Do this relentlessly, every fucking time, and these shitty companies full of traitors and Liberal Marxist scum will fucking die.A US Congresswoman threatening Trump supporters with violence? Jaw dropping. It's so incredible what Leftist Democrats can get away with in this country, with our media. *SHARK shakes head in dismay and disgust* I know, I know, nothing that is crazy, low, and treacherous from the Democrats should really surprise me anymore, but somehow, these kinds of episodes of hatred from them still does. *Sigh* And they claim to be "Americans".
Now, I realize that SHARK isn't a state representative, but I still think the contrast is striking between the two quotes. I'm opposed to violence and threats of violence from either side. People have a right to demonstrate peaceably and organize, and to present what they believe in. Speaking your mind doesn't justify violence against someone in a democracy. To cite some contrasting threats:
https://www.katc.com/news/lafayette-parish/higgins-facing-criticism-over-social-media-post-on-armed-militias-in-lafayette
https://www.forbes.com/sites/andrewsolender/2020/12/09/penn-gop-leader-says-her-house-would-be-bombed-if-she-defied-trumps-fraud-claims/
I am not "extreme"--but vigilant and resolute.I recall the same kind of thing being screamed out by the nutjobs in the psych ward when we had to strap them down and sedate them. Is that what you need too, fishy? You scream so loudly about cock-sucking, but here you are practically begging for someone to put a shot in your ass.
Semper Fidelis,
SHARK
Explain to me what exactly does justify violence in a democracy?I hope they are fucking strung up and hung. Every fucking executive. All their cock-sucking staff strung out and crushed. Their company bankrupted and all their money and assets seized. Crush them out, and put the fear of God in all of them. Get them at Midnight, and throw them into the fucking truck. Do this over and over again, to every cock-sucking Liberal traitor company. All of these "Fact Checker" companies, the media outlets, the Big Tech companies. Every time they censor someone, every time they fucking open their cunt mouth and lie--they need to get fucking blasted with a flame-thrower. Hammer them relentlessly, so whenever even one of them suggests indulging their swarmy treasonous tactics, everyone around them has a diarrhea attack, turns white as fucking ghosts, and get that deer-in-the-headlights look. Do this relentlessly, every fucking time, and these shitty companies full of traitors and Liberal Marxist scum will fucking die.A US Congresswoman threatening Trump supporters with violence? Jaw dropping. It's so incredible what Leftist Democrats can get away with in this country, with our media. *SHARK shakes head in dismay and disgust* I know, I know, nothing that is crazy, low, and treacherous from the Democrats should really surprise me anymore, but somehow, these kinds of episodes of hatred from them still does. *Sigh* And they claim to be "Americans".
Now, I realize that SHARK isn't a state representative, but I still think the contrast is striking between the two quotes. I'm opposed to violence and threats of violence from either side. People have a right to demonstrate peaceably and organize, and to present what they believe in. Speaking your mind doesn't justify violence against someone in a democracy. To cite some contrasting threats:
https://www.katc.com/news/lafayette-parish/higgins-facing-criticism-over-social-media-post-on-armed-militias-in-lafayette
https://www.forbes.com/sites/andrewsolender/2020/12/09/penn-gop-leader-says-her-house-would-be-bombed-if-she-defied-trumps-fraud-claims/
Explain to me what exactly does justify violence in a democracy?
Wrong. It's morons like SHARK that mistake everyone walking by for a snake and pretty soon starts seeing the gardeners and even the garden owner as snakes too.Explain to me what exactly does justify violence in a democracy?
Everything in society comes down to the threat of violence followed by actual violence.
It is people like SHARK that keep your walled garden safe from the snakes outside.
Wrong. It's morons like SHARK that mistake everyone walking by for a snake and pretty soon starts seeing the gardeners and even the garden owner as snakes too.Explain to me what exactly does justify violence in a democracy?
Everything in society comes down to the threat of violence followed by actual violence.
It is people like SHARK that keep your walled garden safe from the snakes outside.
Wrong. It's morons like SHARK that mistake everyone walking by for a snake and pretty soon starts seeing the gardeners and even the garden owner as snakes too.Explain to me what exactly does justify violence in a democracy?
Everything in society comes down to the threat of violence followed by actual violence.
It is people like SHARK that keep your walled garden safe from the snakes outside.
(despite all evidence to the contrary)Oh, yes, your lack of understanding of what comprises "evidence" has been quite apparent for the last month. But by all means, keep sticking up for your boyfriend, whether that's SHARK or Trump. Neither seems to be all that capable of doing much winning lately.
(despite all evidence to the contrary)Oh, yes, your lack of understanding of what comprises "evidence" has been quite apparent for the last month.
But by all means, keep sticking up for your boyfriend, whether that's SHARK or Trump. Neither seems to be all that capable of doing much winning lately.
(despite all evidence to the contrary)Oh, yes, your lack of understanding of what comprises "evidence" has been quite apparent for the last month. But by all means, keep sticking up for your boyfriend, whether that's SHARK or Trump. Neither seems to be all that capable of doing much winning lately.
Homophobic? Why, are you a man?(despite all evidence to the contrary)Oh, yes, your lack of understanding of what comprises "evidence" has been quite apparent for the last month.
And yet, no one's actually called me out on it or provided examples of me not knowing WTH "evidence" is, and I have NO clue WTF you're even talking about. But you can just claim it into existence, cuz this is the internet.But by all means, keep sticking up for your boyfriend, whether that's SHARK or Trump. Neither seems to be all that capable of doing much winning lately.
Damn! That's homophobic AF! Or are you gonna pretend to be a "neocon", like Shitwell? :P
Gotta admit, the money I walked away from was attractive, but it was a bad gig. It's OK though, I'm weighing two offers right now that pay a little less but are far more stable and don't make me feel like I'm tending a dumpster fire. I may have a third to consider "shortly" (OK, it's the VA, and they don't really do anything quickly).(despite all evidence to the contrary)Oh, yes, your lack of understanding of what comprises "evidence" has been quite apparent for the last month. But by all means, keep sticking up for your boyfriend, whether that's SHARK or Trump. Neither seems to be all that capable of doing much winning lately.
Come on Happy, casting stones so soon after losing your sweet China Wuhan virus gig?
A part of the left really did. And the other part tried to claim that it was for a "good cause" (it wasn't, learn to investigate a little, morons), or they tried to pretend it wasn't even happening, or that it was "really coming from the Alt-right"(you have to be kidding me, I saw it for myself this time). No wonder why people on the right don't trust their articles, "fact checks", or wise-ass think pieces.
Well, lefties escalated to violence and they won..so...
Wrong. It's morons like SHARK that mistake everyone walking by for a snake and pretty soon starts seeing the gardeners and even the garden owner as snakes too.Explain to me what exactly does justify violence in a democracy?
Everything in society comes down to the threat of violence followed by actual violence.
It is people like SHARK that keep your walled garden safe from the snakes outside.
You mean like the Professors in the Universities that have finally figured out why everyone else has been doing Communism wrong for all of these years and or sell the Chinese state secrets?
Why would they ever be confused as snakes?
They have thrown down the gauntlet at last! Get your guns, boyz, it's TIME: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GP8AKAIhQLwA part of the left really did. And the other part tried to claim that it was for a "good cause" (it wasn't, learn to investigate a little, morons), or they tried to pretend it wasn't even happening, or that it was "really coming from the Alt-right"(you have to be kidding me, I saw it for myself this time). No wonder why people on the right don't trust their articles, "fact checks", or wise-ass think pieces.
Well, lefties escalated to violence and they won..so...
Greetings!
Excellent points, Trond! And, unfortunately, so very true. There was once a time here in America where much of the media strove for being balanced, objective, and fair--while also being patriotic, decent, and loyal. And even the media outlets, think tanks, and so on that were more biased one way or another, openly admitted such, though even they also mostly worked under the same professional standards and social expectations.
That has steadily eroded over the years, and coalesced into an obvious landslide of most of such organizations being not merely biased, but eagerly embracing Leftist Marxism, while to your face earnestly denying it. Now, in collusion with Big Tech, they are openly supporting censorship and information control, and viciously smearing, belittling, or dismissing anyone that doesn't suck down the approved narrative.
Very disturbing, my friend, and not a good barometer for future trends for sure!
Semper Fidelis,
SHARK
Explain to me what exactly does justify violence in a democracy?Taxation.
Or like Lindsey Graham? Nothing wrong with confirmed bachelors right?(despite all evidence to the contrary)Oh, yes, your lack of understanding of what comprises "evidence" has been quite apparent for the last month.
And yet, no one's actually called me out on it or provided examples of me not knowing WTH "evidence" is, and I have NO clue WTF you're even talking about. But you can just claim it into existence, cuz this is the internet.But by all means, keep sticking up for your boyfriend, whether that's SHARK or Trump. Neither seems to be all that capable of doing much winning lately.
Damn! That's homophobic AF! Or are you gonna pretend to be a "neocon", like Shitwell? :P
Wrong. It's morons like SHARK that mistake everyone walking by for a snake and pretty soon starts seeing the gardeners and even the garden owner as snakes too.Explain to me what exactly does justify violence in a democracy?
Everything in society comes down to the threat of violence followed by actual violence.
It is people like SHARK that keep your walled garden safe from the snakes outside.
Counterpoint: SHARK is just a guy venting in a relatively obscure online forum (where his words, even if sometimes a little extreme, can't really hurt or even influence anyone to hurt someone else--cuz, really, how many people does he even reach?), and you're a "shitstain" pretending that he has nothing to be concerned about (despite all evidence to the contrary).
That video is LOL. That lady has been sniffing her own farts too long.They have thrown down the gauntlet at last! Get your guns, boyz, it's TIME: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GP8AKAIhQLwA part of the left really did. And the other part tried to claim that it was for a "good cause" (it wasn't, learn to investigate a little, morons), or they tried to pretend it wasn't even happening, or that it was "really coming from the Alt-right"(you have to be kidding me, I saw it for myself this time). No wonder why people on the right don't trust their articles, "fact checks", or wise-ass think pieces.
Well, lefties escalated to violence and they won..so...
Greetings!
Excellent points, Trond! And, unfortunately, so very true. There was once a time here in America where much of the media strove for being balanced, objective, and fair--while also being patriotic, decent, and loyal. And even the media outlets, think tanks, and so on that were more biased one way or another, openly admitted such, though even they also mostly worked under the same professional standards and social expectations.
That has steadily eroded over the years, and coalesced into an obvious landslide of most of such organizations being not merely biased, but eagerly embracing Leftist Marxism, while to your face earnestly denying it. Now, in collusion with Big Tech, they are openly supporting censorship and information control, and viciously smearing, belittling, or dismissing anyone that doesn't suck down the approved narrative.
Very disturbing, my friend, and not a good barometer for future trends for sure!
Semper Fidelis,
SHARK
(unfortunately, i dont have a legal firearm around. :-[ so I'll have to sit this one out!)
EAM LOYALISTS:
Those that are still loyal to the constitution
RED1: POTUS twitter removal
narrative control, safe harbor date hit, push president elect Biden narrative, remove those who counter narrative. Trump no longer has protections
RED2: Central communications blackout [continental US]
the fake narrative of now election fraud has been defeated, evidence produced, social media platforms hit the kill switch to control narrative, narrative control via the the MSM, Emergency Alert System on deck
RED3: CLAS movement PELOSI or PENCE
Hide either the VP or SOH, this makes sense now
RED4: Movement of MIL assets [10th Mountain_1st Marine_CPSD_Marine_QVIR] to central locations under guise of citizen riot control.
Quick response marines prepare
RED5: NAT MIL COM CEN
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Military_Command_Center
The National Military Command Center (NMCC)[1] is a Pentagon command and communications center for the National Command Authority (i.e., the President of the United States and the United States Secretary of Defense).
RED6: SEC OF DEF _instruct1
Sec of defense relay orders, Epser was terminated and replaced by christopher miller
USSS
CASTLE_ROCK
Lock down White House.
No, you have not. But I think you will.I sure hope you get the sort of police you deserve.
By virtue of living in progressive communities, with substantial community involvement including myself, I have gotten the sort of police I deserve, thank you. I would like to extend competent, honest, professional policing to all communities.
What? Like revenge killings, death squads, star chambers, and stepped tier laws? Sorry to inform you on this - but that is the very thing YOUR SIDE has done, mainly as a way to DE-LEGITIMIZE actual laws and practices. Remember: It was under OBAMA that we had "Free Speech Zones"/Cages, police militarization, taking permit money and then not allowing protests. IT WAS YOUR SIDE WHO DID ALL THIS! So, everything you have stated, whether you realize this or not, is a LIE. A big fucking lie.No, you have not. But I think you will.I sure hope you get the sort of police you deserve.
By virtue of living in progressive communities, with substantial community involvement including myself, I have gotten the sort of police I deserve, thank you. I would like to extend competent, honest, professional policing to all communities.
Police brutality: https://www.cato.org/blog/president-trump-endorses-police-brutality
Secret police: https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2020/07/trump-administration-deploying-secret-police-against-protesters-in-portland
Extrajudicial killings: https://www.businessinsider.com/video-trump-celebrates-polices-extrajudicial-killing-in-washington-2020-9
It's karma, not rawma, saying that you deserve to be on the receiving end of that kind of policing. You think your politics will shield you from it forever, but you are mistaken.
I want competent, honest policing with suitable oversight everywhere in the US, even though you don't deserve it, because the policing you deserve will harm many who do not deserve it.
This is exactly why we have recounts -- because we expect there to be some human error in the counts. And we can look and see that the recounts in any state never come up with the exact same number - because there is some margin of human error, usually between 0.01% and 0.1%. In Georgia, combining from all 159 counties, the 2020 recounts changed by around a thousand votes out of over 5 million cast, so around 0.03% change overall. Given 159 counties, there's bound to be some with more significant error in their recount, and some with less.In a good-sized state like Pennsylvania, where roughly 6.838 million people voted, that means the vote will be off by 683 to 6,813. In other words, your 1 vote amounts to nothing compared to the wave of human error.
Yet another reminder that your vote doesn't matter.
Police brutality: https://www.cato.org/blog/president-trump-endorses-police-brutalityWhat? Like revenge killings, death squads, star chambers, and stepped tier laws? Sorry to inform you on this - but that is the very thing YOUR SIDE has done, mainly as a way to DE-LEGITIMIZE actual laws and practices. Remember: It was under OBAMA that we had "Free Speech Zones"/Cages, police militarization, taking permit money and then not allowing protests. IT WAS YOUR SIDE WHO DID ALL THIS! So, everything you have stated, whether you realize this or not, is a LIE. A big fucking lie.
Secret police: https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2020/07/trump-administration-deploying-secret-police-against-protesters-in-portland
Extrajudicial killings: https://www.businessinsider.com/video-trump-celebrates-polices-extrajudicial-killing-in-washington-2020-9
It's karma, not rawma, saying that you deserve to be on the receiving end of that kind of policing. You think your politics will shield you from it forever, but you are mistaken.
I want competent, honest policing with suitable oversight everywhere in the US, even though you don't deserve it, because the policing you deserve will harm many who do not deserve it.
Though free speech zones existed prior to the Presidency of George W. Bush, it was during Bush's presidency that their scope was greatly expanded. These zones continued through the presidency of Barack Obama; he signed a bill in 2012 that expanded the power of the Secret Service to restrict speech and make arrests.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Free_speech_zone
Created as part of 1997’s National Defense Authorization Act, the 1033 program allows the Department of Defense to get rid of excess equipment by passing it off to local authorities, who only have to pay for the cost of shipping. (A precursor, the slightly more restrictive 1208 program, began in 1990.)https://www.wired.com/story/pentagon-hand-me-downs-militarize-police-1033-program/
But now we're all plague rats anyway. No longer human beings worthy of life. Come over my house little bitch and KILL ME!
I dare you, fucking POS.
The chances that your vote is decisive under a perfectly accurate count is infintesimal; elections are rarely decided by one vote and never over an entire state the size of Pennsylvania. So maybe you should just stay home in future elections.That's my point.
Since the first video was unacceptably ambiguous, she posted a follow-up
https://twitter.com/RealJamesWoods/status/1336911742815797248?s=20
The chances that your vote is decisive under a perfectly accurate count is infintesimal; elections are rarely decided by one vote and never over an entire state the size of Pennsylvania. So maybe you should just stay home in future elections.That's my point.
Your vote doesn't matter. Voting is a collective delusion, an article of faith. The margin of human error is just another example of why.
The chances that your vote is decisive under a perfectly accurate count is infintesimal; elections are rarely decided by one vote and never over an entire state the size of Pennsylvania. So maybe you should just stay home in future elections.That's my point.
Your vote doesn't matter. Voting is a collective delusion, an article of faith. The margin of human error is just another example of why.
My vote mattered, in combination with another 81 million plus voters; that's why we have President-elect Joe Biden.
Do you actually vote in any large scale elections? I have voted in minor elections with only candidates who were unopposed, as a matter of civic involvement.
All of these things exemplify how voting (and even civic involvement in general, to an extent) is a completely pointless exercise.And how would you prefer to have our leaders selected?
All of these things exemplify how voting (and even civic involvement in general, to an extent) is a completely pointless exercise.And how would you prefer to have our leaders selected?
All of these things exemplify how voting (and even civic involvement in general, to an extent) is a completely pointless exercise.And how would you prefer to have our leaders selected?
Cage Death Match.
All of these things exemplify how voting (and even civic involvement in general, to an extent) is a completely pointless exercise.And how would you prefer to have our leaders selected?
Cage Death Match.
^Beat me to it.
I was gonna say Gladiatorial Arena, but close enough.
If we had gone that way, who do you think our President-elect would be (from the candidates that ran)?
Also, would it be tag-team with the VP candidates jumping in too?
The chances that your vote is decisive under a perfectly accurate count is infintesimal; elections are rarely decided by one vote and never over an entire state the size of Pennsylvania. So maybe you should just stay home in future elections.That's my point.
Your vote doesn't matter. Voting is a collective delusion, an article of faith. The margin of human error is just another example of why.
Since the first video was unacceptably ambiguous, she posted a follow-up
https://twitter.com/RealJamesWoods/status/1336911742815797248?s=20
Wait, didn't you get the memo? It's the Republicans that are unhinged. The Republicans!
If we had gone that way, who do you think our President-elect would be (from the candidates that ran)?
Also, would it be tag-team with the VP candidates jumping in too?
Did you consider candidates from outside the major parties? Presumably even Kanye could have taken down Trump in the arena.If we had gone that way, who do you think our President-elect would be (from the candidates that ran)?
Also, would it be tag-team with the VP candidates jumping in too?
Tulsi Gabbard, cuz she's a vet with military training, who's still in shape and practiced Capoeira, so she would've risen through the primaries, beating every other Democraptic candidate, in order to finally face off against Donald Trump, who's an overweight old man.
Andrew Yang also practices Brazilian Jiu Jitsu, so he'd probably been her PV pick.
Win-Win
Did you consider candidates from outside the major parties? Presumably even Kanye could have taken down Trump in the arena.If we had gone that way, who do you think our President-elect would be (from the candidates that ran)?
Also, would it be tag-team with the VP candidates jumping in too?
Tulsi Gabbard, cuz she's a vet with military training, who's still in shape and practiced Capoeira, so she would've risen through the primaries, beating every other Democraptic candidate, in order to finally face off against Donald Trump, who's an overweight old man.
Andrew Yang also practices Brazilian Jiu Jitsu, so he'd probably been her PV pick.
Win-Win
This bizarre train of though is perhaps the most meaningful thing I've seen discussed on this thread since the election took place. Celebrity Death Match politics is at least fun to imagine.Did you consider candidates from outside the major parties? Presumably even Kanye could have taken down Trump in the arena.If we had gone that way, who do you think our President-elect would be (from the candidates that ran)?
Also, would it be tag-team with the VP candidates jumping in too?
Tulsi Gabbard, cuz she's a vet with military training, who's still in shape and practiced Capoeira, so she would've risen through the primaries, beating every other Democraptic candidate, in order to finally face off against Donald Trump, who's an overweight old man.
Andrew Yang also practices Brazilian Jiu Jitsu, so he'd probably been her PV pick.
Win-Win
Damn, might be a toss up if we include Kanye. Tulsi would have probably beaten the Green and Libertarian candidates, but Kanye is a relatively young and healthy tall man in good shape, which would give him an edge over a tiny woman. I'm not really a fan of him and don't really follow him, so I'm not sure what sort of training he has, but I read somewhere that he apparently knows Karate. so he might know how to fight. Tulsi would have to rely entirely on technique and strategy against a larger man.
My vote mattered, in combination with another 81 million plus voters; that's why we have President-elect Joe Biden.
Do you actually vote in any large scale elections? I have voted in minor elections with only candidates who were unopposed, as a matter of civic involvement.
It's interesting how this doesn't actually address Pat's point. It merely reasserts the notion that votes matter, as an article of faith (since you didn't prove it), then clapback with a value judgement about civic involvement, while bringing up unopposed candidates--which if anything reaffirm the notion that voting doesn't matter, since those candidates are basically guaranteed election, cuz no one can vote against them.
This woman is really into posting videos lately.
For instance, one of our bright citizens of our country, in Illinois, who happened to voicemail me — unknown, but guess what? FBI, state police, they found her.
So, this is just a warning to you Trumpers — be careful, walk lightly. We ain’t playing with you. Enough of the shenanigans. Enough is enough. And for those of you who are soldiers, you know how to do it. Do it right. Be in order. Make them pay.
But I wanted to share something with the soldiers — all you soldiers, soldiers of Christ, soldiers against racism, soldiers against misogyny, soldiers against domestic violence and domestic terrorism. Soldiers, rise. It's time for you to rise.
This bizarre train of though is perhaps the most meaningful thing I've seen discussed on this thread since the election took place. Celebrity Death Match politics is at least fun to imagine.
Yes, I felt exactly the same when Trump won. I felt the same when Obama won. And when Dubya won. And when Clinton won. I've felt exactly the same since I was old enough to vote. You're using emotional rhetoric to claim I'm making an emotional argument, but you're just projecting your irreason on me.The chances that your vote is decisive under a perfectly accurate count is infintesimal; elections are rarely decided by one vote and never over an entire state the size of Pennsylvania. So maybe you should just stay home in future elections.That's my point.
Your vote doesn't matter. Voting is a collective delusion, an article of faith. The margin of human error is just another example of why.
The margin of human error doesn't show anything of the sort. Regular human error in counting doesn't change the *average* effect of a single vote. But you can say this about any collective action, down to the very smallest. Say, a friend of yours needs help to go to the hospital. You offer to take him - but someone else already volunteered. Did your offer not make a difference? I'd say yes, it still did.
This sounds like a purely emotional reaction from feeling depressed. "Oh, nothing I do matters." But when Trump won, did you feel the same way about voting? Little things add up, and small changes can make a difference. It can be hard to *feel* that emotionally, but it's true.
This woman is really into posting videos lately. “The Biden-Harris administration owes the city of Detroit...oh yes.”Detroit? DETROIT?!! Ahhhhhhhhrrrrrggggg!!!!
https://twitter.com/pghowie3/status/1337138069506494465?s=21
Because voting does matter, in the collective. Democracies are based on the consensus of the governed, which is expressed by voter participation. But if your individual vote doesn't matter, and will never matter, how do you get people to vote? Democracies cultivate the collective delusion that your vote really does matter.
But it doesn't.
I would argue that your vote has a chance of having been the deciding vote in any election. Consider the IA-02 congressional election, certified at 196,964 to 196,958. You say a voter on the winning side had no effect because there were 5 other votes if they hadn't vote; I say that they had a one in 196,964 chance of being the vote that put victory over the top. Or even that they had a one in 196,964 share of the victory. Even the voters for the losing candidate can take something away, in that they had a share of preventing the winner from claiming a larger mandate. I suppose you can take some pride in having cancelled out the vote of some wrong-headed person on the other side.It's not a lottery. There isn't a 1:X chance that your vote was the one that put them over the top. Elections, like market transactions, happen on the margin. Prices are determined by what the next person is willing to pay, and elections are decided by the last X people who decided to vote for the candidate of True Evil instead of the candidate of Absolute Evil.
The all or nothing nature of the electoral college does tend to discourage turnout; no point for candidates to advertise or campaign much in states they are certain to win or to lose, and no point for those voting for or against the certain winner to vote. The winning side needs enough voters to win, and the losing side should perhaps even discourage turnout until the moment is ripe for a stealth wave of turnout. A weighted popular vote would encourage engagement with more states and a push to get the most turnout.
But the simplest way to get more turnout is to pay people; a refundable tax credit if you vote. Colorado had an initiative for such a voting tax credit but it didn't get enough signatures to be on the ballot (the governor changed the signature gathering requirements because of the pandemic but a legal challenge struck it down, and presumably it was too hard to get enough in-person signatures by the deadline). (An example of timely legal challenges to election procedures, as opposed to waiting until the result to decide to challenge.)
I charged swiftly through the gathered crowd, up to their little stage, and grabbed the American flag out of this fucker's hands. I had my fist raised, and he exclaimed to me, demanding that I give the American flag back to him. I told him straight to his face that I would kill him right there before God and everyone if he desecrated the American flag. Several other students sought to take the flag from my grip, and I snarled at them, holding the flag tightly, "Who wants to die first?"(https://media.giphy.com/media/1009wQ2WcsEmBO/source.gif)
We%u2019re all just posting on the Internet Misty. I%u2019ll give you props for more than that when you post a video of yourself calling shark a dumbass to his face.
The neocon grift over the base, where corporate welfare and globalism get taken care of, while the base gets to see their kids die in sand wars for Boeing%u2019s stock price, is more at-risk than ever.
Never seen leftists so damn eager to charge back into the furnace that is the Middle East. I wonder where they dumped Cindy Sheehan after they'd shot their wad with her. Hope they at least left some money on the dresser.
Trump was more than happy to continue with Obama's war in Yemen, and is even now doing his best to start a new one with Iran. His only major change towards Syria was ditching the Kurds and sending US troops to seize Syrian oil facilities. Bernie Sanders, he is not.
While there is some overlap, pretending they are one and the [same] makes you a moron.
I charged swiftly through the gathered crowd, up to their little stage, and grabbed the American flag out of this fucker's hands. I had my fist raised, and he exclaimed to me, demanding that I give the American flag back to him. I told him straight to his face that I would kill him right there before God and everyone if he desecrated the American flag. Several other students sought to take the flag from my grip, and I snarled at them, holding the flag tightly, "Who wants to die first?"(https://media.giphy.com/media/1009wQ2WcsEmBO/source.gif)
No doubt this happened right after his date with his incredibly hot girlfriend whom no one has ever seen ("She's from... Canada!").We%u2019re all just posting on the Internet Misty. I%u2019ll give you props for more than that when you post a video of yourself calling shark a dumbass to his face.
If there's anything more pathetic than Baby Shark's tough guy act, it's watching someone trying to play Chester to his Spike.
If you want to hold the coat for AncientGamer1970/KewlMarine's severely retarded cousin...
Well, that's not as cool as you think it is.
And for the record, Baby Shark, just because you masturbate to re-runs of Gomer Pyle USMC doesn't make you the second coming of John Basilone.QuoteThe neocon grift over the base, where corporate welfare and globalism get taken care of, while the base gets to see their kids die in sand wars for Boeing%u2019s stock price, is more at-risk than ever.
You say this as though we had Jimmy Carter in the White House these last four years. Trump was more than happy to continue with Obama's war in Yemen, and is even now doing his best to start a new one with Iran. His only major change towards Syria was ditching the Kurds and sending US troops to seize Syrian oil facilities. Bernie Sanders, he is not.Never seen leftists so damn eager to charge back into the furnace that is the Middle East. I wonder where they dumped Cindy Sheehan after they'd shot their wad with her. Hope they at least left some money on the dresser.
The fact that you are too stupid and/or too dishonest to know the difference between a leftist, a liberal and a Democratic party hack is quite telling. If you want to know what leftists think about Biden's election, check out Jimmy Dore or Katie Halper. If you're interested in the opinions of liberals, TYT is a good place to start, as is the Thom Hartmann Show. If you want to know what DNC establishment-types think, you can tune in to MSNBC. While there is some overlap, pretending they are one and the same makes you a moron.
You say this as though we had Jimmy Carter in the White House these last four years. Trump was more than happy to continue with Obama's war in Yemen, and is even now doing his best to start a new one with Iran. His only major change towards Syria was ditching the Kurds and sending US troops to seize Syrian oil facilities. Bernie Sanders, he is not.Trump didn't start any new wars, scaled back the troops overseas, met peacefully with North Korea, and arranged peace agreements between multiple Arab states and Israel. He's certainly no pacifistic ideal, but if you're in favor of peace and getting the US out of pointless wars, he's literally the best president we've had since Carter. It's the reason why Ron Paul-style libertarians have positive things to say about Trump, because while he's terrible on the issue most associated with them (monetary and fiscal policy), Murray Rothbard always considered a non-interventionist foreign policy to be more important than any domestic issues.
Trump didn't start any new wars, scaled back the troops overseas, met peacefully with North Korea, and arranged peace agreements between multiple Arab states and Israel. He's certainly no pacifistic ideal, but if you're in favor of peace and getting the US out of pointless wars, he's literally the best president we've had since Carter. It's the reason why Ron Paul-style libertarians have positive things to say about Trump, because while he's terrible on the issue most associated with them (monetary and fiscal policy), Murray Rothbard always considered a non-interventionist foreign policy to be more important than any domestic issues.
I charged swiftly through the gathered crowd, up to their little stage, and grabbed the American flag out of this fucker's hands. I had my fist raised, and he exclaimed to me, demanding that I give the American flag back to him. I told him straight to his face that I would kill him right there before God and everyone if he desecrated the American flag. Several other students sought to take the flag from my grip, and I snarled at them, holding the flag tightly, "Who wants to die first?"(https://media.giphy.com/media/1009wQ2WcsEmBO/source.gif)
No doubt this happened right after his date with his incredibly hot girlfriend whom no one has ever seen ("She's from... Canada!").We%u2019re all just posting on the Internet Misty. I%u2019ll give you props for more than that when you post a video of yourself calling shark a dumbass to his face.
If there's anything more pathetic than Baby Shark's tough guy act, it's watching someone trying to play Chester to his Spike.
If you want to hold the coat for AncientGamer1970/KewlMarine's severely retarded cousin...
Well, that's not as cool as you think it is.
And for the record, Baby Shark, just because you masturbate to re-runs of Gomer Pyle USMC doesn't make you the second coming of John Basilone.QuoteThe neocon grift over the base, where corporate welfare and globalism get taken care of, while the base gets to see their kids die in sand wars for Boeing%u2019s stock price, is more at-risk than ever.
You say this as though we had Jimmy Carter in the White House these last four years. Trump was more than happy to continue with Obama's war in Yemen, and is even now doing his best to start a new one with Iran. His only major change towards Syria was ditching the Kurds and sending US troops to seize Syrian oil facilities. Bernie Sanders, he is not.Never seen leftists so damn eager to charge back into the furnace that is the Middle East. I wonder where they dumped Cindy Sheehan after they'd shot their wad with her. Hope they at least left some money on the dresser.
The fact that you are too stupid and/or too dishonest to know the difference between a leftist, a liberal and a Democratic party hack is quite telling. If you want to know what leftists think about Biden's election, check out Jimmy Dore or Katie Halper. If you're interested in the opinions of liberals, TYT is a good place to start, as is the Thom Hartmann Show. If you want to know what DNC establishment-types think, you can tune in to MSNBC. While there is some overlap, pretending they are one and the same makes you a moron.
He did start some new wars. More US Troops were dispatched and ops have been ramped up in Africa. One can't "peacefully" meet with North Korea, that is actually impossible as the state of war continues to exist between the Koreas with the U.S. taking an active role in defending the South. The fact that he kissed the A$$ of a dictator is nothing to be proud of, and in fact, shames our country, and the people that died defending against North Korean aggression. In fact he has kissed the A$$ of all the Dictators, because he is one of them, not even pretending not to be so.Which countries in Africa? Because while he didn't get the US out of Somalia, he did reduce the number of troops. And you can certainly meet peacefully with an enemy, that's how armistices happen. Quick question: How do you feel about Obama's pact with Iran, or opening up relations with Cuba?
The Mid-east Peace agreements is interesting. If we learned anything about the Mideast though, it is that peace does not last there. Know this, prepare accordingly.
Donald Trump is the worst President in History, and I shouldn't even have to tell you that.No, it's useful information. I wasn't aware you had TDS.
Trump didn't start any new wars, scaled back the troops overseas, met peacefully with North Korea, and arranged peace agreements between multiple Arab states and Israel. He's certainly no pacifistic ideal, but if you're in favor of peace and getting the US out of pointless wars, he's literally the best president we've had since Carter. It's the reason why Ron Paul-style libertarians have positive things to say about Trump, because while he's terrible on the issue most associated with them (monetary and fiscal policy), Murray Rothbard always considered a non-interventionist foreign policy to be more important than any domestic issues.
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Donald Trump is the worst President in History, and I shouldn't even have to tell you that.
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This woman is really into posting videos lately.
The woman in question is Cynthia A. Johnson, a Michigan legislator. Her previous video posted about here was taken out of context. I would not be surprised if the same were true of thw one EOTB now posts.
https://www.mediamatters.org/voter-fraud-and-suppression/trump-supporters-lobbed-vile-racist-threats-democratic-official-thenQuote from: State Representative Cynthia A. JohnsonFor instance, one of our bright citizens of our country, in Illinois, who happened to voicemail me — unknown, but guess what? FBI, state police, they found her.
So, this is just a warning to you Trumpers — be careful, walk lightly. We ain’t playing with you. Enough of the shenanigans. Enough is enough. And for those of you who are soldiers, you know how to do it. Do it right. Be in order. Make them pay.
The context is that she was threatened, and one of the people doing so was identified by law enforcement; the warning to Trump supporters is about the legal consequences they risk. Also note that she's a state legislator in Michigan, where right wing terrorists wanted to kidnap and execute the governor, so it's probably harder to shrug off death threats.
By the way, the soldiers she asks, repeatedly, to "do it right" are allied activists; from a previous video:QuoteBut I wanted to share something with the soldiers — all you soldiers, soldiers of Christ, soldiers against racism, soldiers against misogyny, soldiers against domestic violence and domestic terrorism. Soldiers, rise. It's time for you to rise.
I personally think her militant tone goes too far, but I haven't had a hundred death threats directed at me in the past week.
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18 states in this country know that Joe Biden and Kamala Harris cheated. 18 entire states are standing up to the fraudulent Democrat party. This has never happened in the history of America. Media & tech are in overdrive trying to censor the truth. The Left is terrified.
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Defendant States’ factual defense of the administration of the 2020 election lacks merit. Thus, Texas states a claim on those issues.
A. Pennsylvania’s critiques of the evidence are false.
Pennsylvania attacks Dr. Cicchetti’s probability analysis calculating that the statistical chances of Mr. Biden’s winning the election in the Defendant States individually and collectively, given the known facts, are less than one in a quadrillion. Penn. Br. 6-8. Pennsylvania argues that Dr Cicchetti did not take into account that “votes counted later were indisputably not ‘randomly drawn’ from the same population of votes” in his analysis. Penn. Br. 6-8.
Pennsylvania is wrong.
First, Dr. Cicchetti did take into account the possibility that votes were not randomly drawn in the later time period but, as stated in his original Declaration, he is not aware of any data that would support such an assertion. See Supplemental Declaration of Charles Cicchetti (“Supp. Cicchetti Decl.”) ¶¶ 2-3. (App. 152a-153a). Second, although Pennsylvania argues that such data is “indisputabl[e]”, Pennsylvania offers in support nothing other than counsel’s assertion. Unsworn statements of counsel, however, are not evidence. See Frazier v. United States, 335 U.S. 497, 503 (1948).
In fact, Pennsylvania’s rebuttal to Dr. Cicchetti’s analysis consists solely of ad hominem attacks, calling it “nonsense” and “worthless”. Penn Br. 6, 8. Notably, a subsequent analysis by Dr. Cicchetti, comparing Mr. Biden’s underperformance in the Top-50 urban areas in the Country relative to former Secretary Clinton’s performance in the 2016 election, reinforces the unusual statistical improbability of Mr. Biden’s vote totals in the five urban areas in the Defendant States. See Supp. Cicchetti Decl. at ¶¶ 4-12, 20-21. (App. 154a-158a).
Pennsylvania also tries to explain away the reported 400,000 discrepancy between the number of mail-in ballots Pennsylvania sent out as reported on November 2, 2020 (2.7 million) and the figure reported on November 4, 2020 (3.1 million) as described in the Ryan Report. Penn. Br. 6-8; Compl. ¶ 59.
Pennsylvania again conclusorily asserts that the discrepancy is purportedly due to the fact that “
- f the 3.1 million ballots sent out, 2.7 million were mail-in ballots and 400,000 were absentee ballots.” Pennsylvania Br. 6. However, as fifteen Pennsylvania legislators stated in the Ryan Report, signed on December 4, 2020: “This discrepancy ... has not been explained.” Compl. ¶ 59. Compl. ¶ 59 (App. 143a-44a).
The Ryan Report states further: “This apparent discrepancy can only be evaluated by reviewing all transaction logs into the SURE system...” (App. 144a). Pennsylvania’s unsupported explanation has no merit.
Notably, Pennsylvania says nothing about the 118,426 ballots that had no mail date, were nonsensically returned before the mailed date, or were improbably returned one day after the mail date. Lastly, Pennsylvania argues that it did not break its promise to this Court to segregate ballots received after November 3, 2020. Penn. Br. 6. Justice Alito’s order dated November 6, 2020 belies that argument. See Compl. ¶ 8. And because Pennsylvania broke its promise to this Court, it is not possible to determine how many tens, or even hundreds of thousands of illegal late ballots were wrongfully counted. Compl. ¶ 55.
B. Georgia’s critiques of the evidence are false.
Georgia argues that the “[r]ejection rates for signatures on absentee ballots remained largely unchanged” as between the 2018 and 2020 elections, referring the Court to Wood v. Raffensperger, No. 1:20-cv-04651-SDG, 2020 WL 6817513, at *10 (N.D. Ga. Nov. 20, 2020) (“Wood”). Georgia Br. 4. Georgia’s reliance on Wood is misplaced because the analysis therein related to rejection rates for absentee ballots—as opposed to the mail-in ballots analyzed by Dr. Cicchetti. Supp. Cicchetti Decl. ¶¶ 13-19. (App. 158a-60a). Georgia’s rejection rate comparison is therefore inapposite. Id.
Specifically, the district court in Wood cited to “ECF 33-6” (id. at n.30) which is the affidavit of Chris Harvey, Georgia Director of Elections. First, the Harvey Affidavit itself does not cite any evidence for signature rejection rates; rather, it relies solely upon a complaint in an unrelated action. Supp. Cicchetti Decl. ¶¶ 14-15. (App. 158a-59a) (citing Democratic Party of Georgia et al. v. Raffensperger). Second, as explained by Dr. Cicchetti, the Harvey Affidavit relies on 2018 data which does not provide an accurate comparison with a presidential election year. Id. ¶¶ 19, 22. (App. 160a-62a). More importantly, the Harvey affidavit discusses absentee ballots—not mail-in ballots at issue here and as analyzed by Dr. Cicchetti. Mail-in ballots are subject to much higher rejection rates. Indeed, in 2018, the rejection rate for mail-in ballots was actually 3.32% or more than twenty times higher than the rejection rate for the absentee ballots that Georgia incorrectly compares to dispute Dr. Cicchetti’s analysis. . Id. at ¶¶ 16-18. (App. 159a-60a). In short, Georgia’s attempt to rebut Dr. Cicchetti’s analysis fails. Id. ¶ 22. (App. 161a-62a).
C. Michigan’s critiques of the evidence are false.
Michigan’s argument against the evidence of irregularities in Wayne County’s election process fares no better. First, Michigan concedes that, with respect to the ballots issued pursuant to the Secretary of State’s unlawful mailing of ballot applications and online ballot applications—which also did not comply with statutory signature verification requirements— "there is no way to associate the voter who used a particular application with his or her ballot after it is voted.” Mich. Br. 9; Compl. ¶¶ 81-87. Michigan’s “heads we win, tails you lose” defense should be rejected. This is a problem solely of the Secretary of State’s own making.
Michigan also admits that it “is at a loss to explain the[] allegations” showing that Wayne County lists 174,384 absentee ballots that do not tie to a registered voter. Mich. Br. 15; Compl. ¶ 97. That is precisely the point. And it illustrates exactly why the Court should grant Plaintiff’s motion.
Similarly, Michigan’s argument that the fact that 71% of Detroit’s Absent Voter Counting Boards (“AVCBs”) were unbalanced provides no basis not to certify results is false. Mich. Br. 16. In fact, while Michigan asserts that this “can happen for a number of innocuous reasons” it nonetheless offers no explanation for the highly suspicious circumstances: that this out of balance situation resulted in more than 174,000 votes not being tied to a registered voter; that two members of the Wayne County Board of Canvassers initially voted against certification based on these issues, then voted in favor of certification after receiving both threats and assurances of an immediate audit; and then rescinded their certification votes after the promised audit was refused. Compl. ¶¶ 99-101. Texas understands that these issues involving Wayne County’s irregular votes have not been adjudicated, and Michigan does not contend otherwise. But it is suggestive at this preliminary stage of the proceeding.
Lastly, Michigan’s attempts to argue away the evidence showing that Wayne County had a policy of not performing signature verifications as required under MCL § 168.765a(6) are misplaced. Mich. Br. 14-15; Compl. ¶¶ 85-87, 92-95. Michigan cites the affidavit of Christopher Thomas, a consultant for Detroit, used in litigation in Michigan state court, as evidence for its assertion. Mich. Br. 11, 15-16.
Thomas, however, does not state that he personally observed signatures being verified in accordance with MCL § 168.765a(6). That statute requires that the clerk place a “written statement” or “stamp” on each ballot envelope where the voter signature is placed, indicating that the voter signature was in fact checked and verified with the signature on file with the State. Compl. ¶ 92. Thus, contrary to Michigan’s argument, Thomas’ assertions do not rebut the testimony of Jessy Jacob, a decades-long City of Detroit employee stating that election workers were instructed not to compare signatures. Id. ¶ 94. In fact, a poll challenger, Lisa Gage, testified in an affidavit that has not been submitted in any prior litigation, that not a single one of the several hundred to a thousand ballot envelopes she observed had a written statement or stamp indicating the voter signature had been verified at the TCF Center in accordance with MCL § 168.765a(6). Affidavit of Lisa Gage ¶ 17. (App. 165a).
D. Wisconsin’s critiques of the evidence are false.
Wisconsin argues that “Texas offers no proof of a single voter who cast a ballot in the general election who did not qualify for indefinite confinement status.” Wisc. Br. 31. Under Wisconsin law, “indefinite confinement status” allows a voter to avoid Wisconsin’s statutory photo identification and signature verification requirements. Compl. ¶¶ 115-17. The number of people claiming this special status exploded from fewer than 57,000 voters in 2016 to nearly 216,000 in 2020. Compl. ¶ 122. Wisconsin claims this increase was due to more people voting by mail in 2020. Wisc. Br. 31.
Voting by mail, however, has nothing to do with being classified as “indefinitely confined.” Wisconsin offers no plausible justification for this nearly four-fold increase in voters claiming this special status.
Wisconsin also ignores the fact that the Wisconsin Supreme Court found that clerks in Dane County and Milwaukee County had earlier violated Wisconsin law by issuing guidance stating that all voters should identify themselves as “indefinitely confined” on absentee ballot applications because of the COVID-19 pandemic. Compl. ¶¶ 118-19. Despite that order, the WEC again violated Wisconsin law and issued a directive to the Wisconsin clerks prohibiting removal of voters from the registry for indefinite-confinement status even if the voter is no longer “indefinitely confined,” thereby cementing this improper practice in the 2020 general election. Id. at ¶¶ 120-21.
Lastly, Wisconsin ignores the sworn testimony of Ethan J. Pease, a box truck delivery driver subcontracted to the U.S. Postal Service (“USPS”) to deliver truckloads of mail-in ballots to the sorting center in Madison, WI, who testified that USPS employees were backdating ballots received after November 3, 2020. Compl. ¶127. (App. 149a-151a).
Further, Pease testified how a senior USPS employee told him on November 4, 2020 that “An order came down from the Wisconsin/Illinois Chapter of the Postal Service that 100,000 ballots” had been misplaced and described how the USPS dispatched employees to “find[] ... the ballots.” Id. (App. 150a).
You believe that the only possibility is that just one side is being dishonest. You also believe that the only possibility is that it is Biden's side that is being dishonest....
18 states in this country know that Joe Biden and Kamala Harris cheated. 18 entire states are standing up to the fraudulent Democrat party. This has never happened in the history of America. Media & tech are in overdrive trying to censor the truth. The Left is terrified.
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They are terrified because they know what they did.
And they know that consequences will follow if they do not force Trump out.
https://www.supremecourt.gov/DocketPDF/22/22O155/163493/20201211095822921_TX-v-State-LeaveReply-2020-12-11.pdf
Texas doesn't hesitate to shoot right back at the assertions made by the four states about its claims. This is just the first section, which deals with the various assertions made in the four responses that Texas's claims have no basis in fact:Defendant States’ factual defense of the administration of the 2020 election lacks merit. Thus, Texas states a claim on those issues.
A. Pennsylvania’s critiques of the evidence are false.
Pennsylvania attacks Dr. Cicchetti’s probability analysis calculating that the statistical chances of Mr. Biden’s winning the election in the Defendant States individually and collectively, given the known facts, are less than one in a quadrillion. Penn. Br. 6-8. Pennsylvania argues that Dr Cicchetti did not take into account that “votes counted later were indisputably not ‘randomly drawn’ from the same population of votes” in his analysis. Penn. Br. 6-8.
Pennsylvania is wrong.
First, Dr. Cicchetti did take into account the possibility that votes were not randomly drawn in the later time period but, as stated in his original Declaration, he is not aware of any data that would support such an assertion. See Supplemental Declaration of Charles Cicchetti (“Supp. Cicchetti Decl.”) ¶¶ 2-3. (App. 152a-153a). Second, although Pennsylvania argues that such data is “indisputabl[e]”, Pennsylvania offers in support nothing other than counsel’s assertion. Unsworn statements of counsel, however, are not evidence. See Frazier v. United States, 335 U.S. 497, 503 (1948).
In fact, Pennsylvania’s rebuttal to Dr. Cicchetti’s analysis consists solely of ad hominem attacks, calling it “nonsense” and “worthless”. Penn Br. 6, 8. Notably, a subsequent analysis by Dr. Cicchetti, comparing Mr. Biden’s underperformance in the Top-50 urban areas in the Country relative to former Secretary Clinton’s performance in the 2016 election, reinforces the unusual statistical improbability of Mr. Biden’s vote totals in the five urban areas in the Defendant States. See Supp. Cicchetti Decl. at ¶¶ 4-12, 20-21. (App. 154a-158a).
Pennsylvania also tries to explain away the reported 400,000 discrepancy between the number of mail-in ballots Pennsylvania sent out as reported on November 2, 2020 (2.7 million) and the figure reported on November 4, 2020 (3.1 million) as described in the Ryan Report. Penn. Br. 6-8; Compl. ¶ 59.
Pennsylvania again conclusorily asserts that the discrepancy is purportedly due to the fact that “
- f the 3.1 million ballots sent out, 2.7 million were mail-in ballots and 400,000 were absentee ballots.” Pennsylvania Br. 6. However, as fifteen Pennsylvania legislators stated in the Ryan Report, signed on December 4, 2020: “This discrepancy ... has not been explained.” Compl. ¶ 59. Compl. ¶ 59 (App. 143a-44a).
The Ryan Report states further: “This apparent discrepancy can only be evaluated by reviewing all transaction logs into the SURE system...” (App. 144a). Pennsylvania’s unsupported explanation has no merit.
Notably, Pennsylvania says nothing about the 118,426 ballots that had no mail date, were nonsensically returned before the mailed date, or were improbably returned one day after the mail date. Lastly, Pennsylvania argues that it did not break its promise to this Court to segregate ballots received after November 3, 2020. Penn. Br. 6. Justice Alito’s order dated November 6, 2020 belies that argument. See Compl. ¶ 8. And because Pennsylvania broke its promise to this Court, it is not possible to determine how many tens, or even hundreds of thousands of illegal late ballots were wrongfully counted. Compl. ¶ 55.
B. Georgia’s critiques of the evidence are false.
Georgia argues that the “[r]ejection rates for signatures on absentee ballots remained largely unchanged” as between the 2018 and 2020 elections, referring the Court to Wood v. Raffensperger, No. 1:20-cv-04651-SDG, 2020 WL 6817513, at *10 (N.D. Ga. Nov. 20, 2020) (“Wood”). Georgia Br. 4. Georgia’s reliance on Wood is misplaced because the analysis therein related to rejection rates for absentee ballots—as opposed to the mail-in ballots analyzed by Dr. Cicchetti. Supp. Cicchetti Decl. ¶¶ 13-19. (App. 158a-60a). Georgia’s rejection rate comparison is therefore inapposite. Id.
Specifically, the district court in Wood cited to “ECF 33-6” (id. at n.30) which is the affidavit of Chris Harvey, Georgia Director of Elections. First, the Harvey Affidavit itself does not cite any evidence for signature rejection rates; rather, it relies solely upon a complaint in an unrelated action. Supp. Cicchetti Decl. ¶¶ 14-15. (App. 158a-59a) (citing Democratic Party of Georgia et al. v. Raffensperger). Second, as explained by Dr. Cicchetti, the Harvey Affidavit relies on 2018 data which does not provide an accurate comparison with a presidential election year. Id. ¶¶ 19, 22. (App. 160a-62a). More importantly, the Harvey affidavit discusses absentee ballots—not mail-in ballots at issue here and as analyzed by Dr. Cicchetti. Mail-in ballots are subject to much higher rejection rates. Indeed, in 2018, the rejection rate for mail-in ballots was actually 3.32% or more than twenty times higher than the rejection rate for the absentee ballots that Georgia incorrectly compares to dispute Dr. Cicchetti’s analysis. . Id. at ¶¶ 16-18. (App. 159a-60a). In short, Georgia’s attempt to rebut Dr. Cicchetti’s analysis fails. Id. ¶ 22. (App. 161a-62a).
C. Michigan’s critiques of the evidence are false.
Michigan’s argument against the evidence of irregularities in Wayne County’s election process fares no better. First, Michigan concedes that, with respect to the ballots issued pursuant to the Secretary of State’s unlawful mailing of ballot applications and online ballot applications—which also did not comply with statutory signature verification requirements— "there is no way to associate the voter who used a particular application with his or her ballot after it is voted.” Mich. Br. 9; Compl. ¶¶ 81-87. Michigan’s “heads we win, tails you lose” defense should be rejected. This is a problem solely of the Secretary of State’s own making.
Michigan also admits that it “is at a loss to explain the[] allegations” showing that Wayne County lists 174,384 absentee ballots that do not tie to a registered voter. Mich. Br. 15; Compl. ¶ 97. That is precisely the point. And it illustrates exactly why the Court should grant Plaintiff’s motion.
Similarly, Michigan’s argument that the fact that 71% of Detroit’s Absent Voter Counting Boards (“AVCBs”) were unbalanced provides no basis not to certify results is false. Mich. Br. 16. In fact, while Michigan asserts that this “can happen for a number of innocuous reasons” it nonetheless offers no explanation for the highly suspicious circumstances: that this out of balance situation resulted in more than 174,000 votes not being tied to a registered voter; that two members of the Wayne County Board of Canvassers initially voted against certification based on these issues, then voted in favor of certification after receiving both threats and assurances of an immediate audit; and then rescinded their certification votes after the promised audit was refused. Compl. ¶¶ 99-101. Texas understands that these issues involving Wayne County’s irregular votes have not been adjudicated, and Michigan does not contend otherwise. But it is suggestive at this preliminary stage of the proceeding.
Lastly, Michigan’s attempts to argue away the evidence showing that Wayne County had a policy of not performing signature verifications as required under MCL § 168.765a(6) are misplaced. Mich. Br. 14-15; Compl. ¶¶ 85-87, 92-95. Michigan cites the affidavit of Christopher Thomas, a consultant for Detroit, used in litigation in Michigan state court, as evidence for its assertion. Mich. Br. 11, 15-16.
Thomas, however, does not state that he personally observed signatures being verified in accordance with MCL § 168.765a(6). That statute requires that the clerk place a “written statement” or “stamp” on each ballot envelope where the voter signature is placed, indicating that the voter signature was in fact checked and verified with the signature on file with the State. Compl. ¶ 92. Thus, contrary to Michigan’s argument, Thomas’ assertions do not rebut the testimony of Jessy Jacob, a decades-long City of Detroit employee stating that election workers were instructed not to compare signatures. Id. ¶ 94. In fact, a poll challenger, Lisa Gage, testified in an affidavit that has not been submitted in any prior litigation, that not a single one of the several hundred to a thousand ballot envelopes she observed had a written statement or stamp indicating the voter signature had been verified at the TCF Center in accordance with MCL § 168.765a(6). Affidavit of Lisa Gage ¶ 17. (App. 165a).
D. Wisconsin’s critiques of the evidence are false.
Wisconsin argues that “Texas offers no proof of a single voter who cast a ballot in the general election who did not qualify for indefinite confinement status.” Wisc. Br. 31. Under Wisconsin law, “indefinite confinement status” allows a voter to avoid Wisconsin’s statutory photo identification and signature verification requirements. Compl. ¶¶ 115-17. The number of people claiming this special status exploded from fewer than 57,000 voters in 2016 to nearly 216,000 in 2020. Compl. ¶ 122. Wisconsin claims this increase was due to more people voting by mail in 2020. Wisc. Br. 31.
Voting by mail, however, has nothing to do with being classified as “indefinitely confined.” Wisconsin offers no plausible justification for this nearly four-fold increase in voters claiming this special status.
Wisconsin also ignores the fact that the Wisconsin Supreme Court found that clerks in Dane County and Milwaukee County had earlier violated Wisconsin law by issuing guidance stating that all voters should identify themselves as “indefinitely confined” on absentee ballot applications because of the COVID-19 pandemic. Compl. ¶¶ 118-19. Despite that order, the WEC again violated Wisconsin law and issued a directive to the Wisconsin clerks prohibiting removal of voters from the registry for indefinite-confinement status even if the voter is no longer “indefinitely confined,” thereby cementing this improper practice in the 2020 general election. Id. at ¶¶ 120-21.
Lastly, Wisconsin ignores the sworn testimony of Ethan J. Pease, a box truck delivery driver subcontracted to the U.S. Postal Service (“USPS”) to deliver truckloads of mail-in ballots to the sorting center in Madison, WI, who testified that USPS employees were backdating ballots received after November 3, 2020. Compl. ¶127. (App. 149a-151a).
Further, Pease testified how a senior USPS employee told him on November 4, 2020 that “An order came down from the Wisconsin/Illinois Chapter of the Postal Service that 100,000 ballots” had been misplaced and described how the USPS dispatched employees to “find[] ... the ballots.” Id. (App. 150a).
The DNC and their Rino allies has been caught. They Know they have been caught.
Any rational person who looks at the evidence given knows shenanigans went down, and at a minimum every closely contested state should have had a complete forensic audit done of their election results.
If at this point you still think Biden won fair and square, you are willingly part of the lie.
You have updated his routine to fit the modern information age, but we know who's advice you are following:
“If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it. The lie can be maintained only for such time as Big tech and the Mainstream Media can shield the people from the political, economic and/or military consequences of the lie. It thus becomes vitally important for Big tech and the Mainstream Media to use all of its powers to repress dissent, for the truth is the mortal enemy of the lie, and thus by extension, the truth is the greatest enemy of the Left.”
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You believe that the only possibility is that just one side is being dishonest. You also believe that the only possibility is that it is Biden's side that is being dishonest.
I reject your first premise, which makes the second premise moot. I also reject your "Any rational person" bullshit, because rational people can and will disagree with your point.
I also reject your "Any rational person" bullshit, because rational people can and will disagree with your point.
Oh, poor jeffy. You haven't had enough attention lately, have you, dear?Fap fap fap
You are full of more shit than a Christmas turkey.
Your kink is not OK.
Nice narrative you got there. Be a shame if something happened to it......
You believe that the only possibility is that just one side is being dishonest. You also believe that the only possibility is that it is Biden's side that is being dishonest.
I reject your first premise, which makes the second premise moot. I also reject your "Any rational person" bullshit, because rational people can and will disagree with your point.
Says the man who refuses to consider any evidence of fraud.
None of your arguments refute any evidence of fraud given, because you do not know enough about the evidence presented to give a counterargument based on logic, reason, and factual information.
You rely solely on rhetorical and ad-hominin attacks, with baseless accusations that none of the evidence is real, Trump is lying, etc..
You are willingly supporting the lie.
Baby Shark
That is the definition of Trump Derangement Syndrome.
They are terrified because they know what they did.
And they know that consequences will follow if they do not force Trump out.
https://www.supremecourt.gov/DocketPDF/22/22O155/163493/20201211095822921_TX-v-State-LeaveReply-2020-12-11.pdf
Texas doesn't hesitate to shoot right back at the assertions made by the four states about its claims.
Any rational person who looks at the evidence given knows shenanigans went down, and at a minimum every closely contested state should have had a complete forensic audit done of their election results.
That, believe it or not, is it. (A) If the 2020 voting population had precisely the same party preferences as the 2016 voting population, Biden could not possibly have won; and (B) if the mail-in and in-person voters had precisely the same party preferences, Biden could not possibly have won.
Wow! Man bites dog!! Who would have believed it!! If the 2020 voting population had the same Repub/Dem split as it had in 2016, Trump must have won!! If mail-in voters had the same preferences as in-person voters, Trump must have won!! And if my aunt had four wheels, she'd be a motorcar!!
Dr. Cicchetti, in other words, has falsified two hypotheses that nobody in his/her right mind could possibly have believed might actually be true. Garbage in, garbage out.
I would remind Dr. Cicchetti—and, more importantly, Texas AG Paxton—that we periodically conduct "elections" precisely because voter preferences may change over time, and some people who voted for the Democratic candidate in one election might choose the Republican in the next, or vice versa. Were this not the case, I suppose we'd still have a Federalist as Chief Executive.
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Nice narrative you got there. Be a shame if something happened to it...
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(3) I don't have any information about the Georgia signature checking at this time. I'll check on that later.
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In other news I saw that Tulsi Gabbard has outed herself as transphobic after introducing a bill that supports the alt-right idea that biological males should not be able to compete in sports against biological females in women's sports....
Nice narrative you got there. Be a shame if something happened to it...
In your review of the evidence presented, what leads you to believe that the people who signed the 1,000+ signed affidavits alleging election improprieties of all kinds are lying.
In your review of the evidence presented, what leads you to believe that the people who signed the 1,000+ signed affidavits alleging election improprieties of all kinds are lying.
(3) I don't have any information about the Georgia signature checking at this time. I'll check on that later.This is what Trump has continually asked for; An audit where they do signature matching to verify the ballots.
This is a straightforward way to verify whether the claims made in the lawsuit are true or not.
But the powers that be in Georgia have continually refused to do so.
It doesnt matter anymore. The whole thing is going to burn unless the doddering fool who breaks his foot chasing his dog naked doesnt get us into a hot war with some small nation post haste after getting sworn in. I would expect a syria sponsored terror attack sometime in late 2021. Because they hate democracy and freedom of course.
I think the CCP method involves a honey pot, not so much a leg breaker. They always said get more flies with honey, and Shartwell is proving that out.It doesnt matter anymore. The whole thing is going to burn unless the doddering fool who breaks his foot chasing his dog naked doesnt get us into a hot war with some small nation post haste after getting sworn in. I would expect a syria sponsored terror attack sometime in late 2021. Because they hate democracy and freedom of course.
And if he does not do when the CCP wants then his dog will come back and break the other foot.
Oh, poor jeffy. You haven't had enough attention lately, have you, dear?Fap fap fap
You are full of more shit than a Christmas turkey.
Your kink is not OK.
It doesnt matter anymore. The whole thing is going to burn unless the doddering fool who breaks his foot chasing his dog naked doesnt get us into a hot war with some small nation post haste after getting sworn in. I would expect a syria sponsored terror attack sometime in late 2021. Because they hate democracy and freedom of course.
Welcome to the real Cyberpunk 2020 (OK, 2021 by this point, since the year is almost up).If you mean broken and as of yet unpatched properly, then yes. 8)
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Who made it public?
Who really made it public?
Who is making it all public?
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RE_READ ALL.
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These people are STUPID.
Art of the Deal.
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BUCKLE UP.
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It's not a lottery. There isn't a 1:X chance that your vote was the one that put them over the top. Elections, like market transactions, happen on the margin. Prices are determined by what the next person is willing to pay, and elections are decided by the last X people who decided to vote for the candidate of True Evil instead of the candidate of Absolute Evil.
You could say that you have a 1:X share of the victory, but that's purely symbolic. It's wearing your team colors, or being one voice cheering in the crowd, or one set of arms in a wave that circles the stadium. It's more a ritual dance than anything else. You didn't make it happen, and it will happen if you're not there. But it's a way of asserting you're part of the community.
I don't think encouraging more people to vote adds any value. Democracies need a certain level of voter engagement to function, but there's a point of diminishing returns, and it's not particularly high.
A fully participatory democracy would be a lot more valuable, but that requires far more investment than just voting once every couple of years. In ancient Athens, people who could vote were expected to engage in staggering amounts of public service -- their juries alone had 200 to 1,500 members! The iconic New England townhall was similar. But we've lost that level of personal and collective responsibility. Instead people vote, or tweet, or send prayers, or upvote something, and think they've done their duty to make the world better.
LOL...right wing terrorists? You mean the anarchy guys with 3 FBI agents among their ranks? Are you really falling for that one? Right wing terrorists DO NOT KIDNAP people.
SCOTUS just denied the kraken lmao
LOL...right wing terrorists? You mean the anarchy guys with 3 FBI agents among their ranks? Are you really falling for that one? Right wing terrorists DO NOT KIDNAP people.
While right-wing terrorists more often just kill people (and while the Michigan case suggests that they are not very good at planning anything like a kidnapping), the arrested men were decidedly right-wing, however desperately you want to disown them. So your statement is false.
You see, jeffy, I'm impervious to the nonsense you and so many others here peddle, yes. And when the mockery comes from a buttnugget like you, well, that means nothing to me, just as you don't.Fap fap fap
You are full of more shit than a Christmas turkey.
Your kink is not OK.
Oh, poor jeffy. You haven't had enough attention lately, have you, dear?
Well, you are impervious to reason, so all that is left is mockery and insults.
SCOTUS just denied the kraken lmaoOMG, I'm shocked. No, not shocked. What's the workd that means the complete opposite? Cuz I'm that.
LOL...right wing terrorists? You mean the anarchy guys with 3 FBI agents among their ranks? Are you really falling for that one? Right wing terrorists DO NOT KIDNAP people.
While right-wing terrorists more often just kill people (and while the Michigan case suggests that they are not very good at planning anything like a kidnapping), the arrested men were decidedly right-wing, however desperately you want to disown them. So your statement is false.
actually that LARPer group in Michigan were anarchists, neither right nor left...I mean what sort of right wing militia group doesn't even read Breitbart.
I'm not trying to persuade you that any of these reasons that someone would value voting are correct; only that other people can find value in voting for various reasons. Your nihilism would have nobody vote if you were more persuasive; then the one person who does vote decides everything, and there is a sudden run on voting until we reach enough turnout for your argument to get traction again. So nobody voting when elections exist is not a stable equilibrium.There's nothing nihilistic about what I said. That you interpreted that way says a lot about you, and nothing about me. I went out of my way to explain why voting is essential to a democracy, and even had an aside where I lauded the virtues of a fully participatory democracy. All I did was point out a simple truth: Your individual vote doesn't matter. It won't affect any state or national election. And even if we assume your vote will make a difference, the personal reward isn't worth the effort. Because casting an informed vote requires a fair amount of attention and research, and the return to an individual if one candidates wins as opposed to another, tends to be very small and hard to predict.
There are a lot of things in our society that depend on common belief; e.g., paper money has value because enough people believe it has value. Elections and voting may be a similar thing; and their value persists despite low turnouts (or nobody would spend billions of dollars to possibly influence the outcome).
You still haven't said if you vote. I'm not looking for a chance to accuse you of hypocrisy; I'm really just curious.
Could someone please change Elfdart's diaper?! He shat himself, again!
SCOTUS just denied the kraken lmao
You see, jeffy, I'm impervious to the nonsense you and so many others here peddle, yes. And when the mockery comes from a buttnugget like you, well, that means nothing to me, just as you don't.Fap fap fap
You are full of more shit than a Christmas turkey.
Your kink is not OK.
Oh, poor jeffy. You haven't had enough attention lately, have you, dear?
Well, you are impervious to reason, so all that is left is mockery and insults.
Could someone please change Elfdart's diaper?! He shat himself, again!
You have a weird obsession with other people's bowels, but if one were to compile a list of reasons why you're a total fucktard, this fixation of yours on human feces wouldn't break the top ten.
actually that LARPer group in Michigan were anarchists, neither right nor left...I mean what sort of right wing militia group doesn't even read Breitbart.
There's nothing nihilistic about what I said. That you interpreted that way says a lot about you, and nothing about me.
All I did was point out a simple truth: Your individual vote doesn't matter. It won't affect any state or national election. And even if we assume your vote will make a difference, the personal reward isn't worth the effort.
I've voted in every election since I became old enough to vote, except for one. (Emergency travel and living in a state with onerous absentee ballot provisions that made it impossible to qualify.)
I've repeatedly said voting is essential to democracy, but individual votes don't matter. Failure to understand that simple distinction is an intellectual failure on your part; and repeatedly denying what I said, and now resorting to insults, is just you being dishonest.There's nothing nihilistic about what I said. That you interpreted that way says a lot about you, and nothing about me.
The foundational element of a democracy (representative or direct) is voting, and you insist anyone's vote counts for nothing. That's nihilism. Your rhetorical style of "I know you are but what am I" would be impressive in third grade; for those of us who aren't in third grade it's just tiresome and stupid.
I'm enjoying all the disillusioned and borderline-psychotic blather of the various closet neo-Nazi's here who gonna die mad over Trump's loss. They remind me of this article:
https://thehardtimes.net/culture/libertarian-wins-debate-imaginary-girlfriend/?fbclid=IwAR2z80xyD8iWyia35N7gJDi3K3PkeI2QW5SMd-IspylA2xSUo98X-4k6y1Q
Sit in amusement for the next few days watching the Bush GOP make all the mistakes soy men typically make - thinking they will recapture loyalty to their faction through insulting Trump’s supporters and telling them this is for their own good.
My hope, if Trump as I expect doesn’t push this to unusual means, is that he ignores protocol and dumps enough dirt to absolutely burn the GOP establishment that pumped the brakes on him in every non-public way it could.
But spilling all the tea with declass the gov doesn’t support would be the miracle. Bush Republicans gloating themselves into a corner requires only playing to type.
You can see a real lack of maturity in many of those that continue to support Trump's idiotic post-election antics. These are the people that adamantly claim to see something of substance in the Emperor's New Claims when those in their right minds (which includes the heavily conservative Supreme Court) keep saying there's nothing there. For some reason, they just can't get enough of those orange circus peanuts dangling over their faces.Sit in amusement for the next few days watching the Bush GOP make all the mistakes soy men typically make - thinking they will recapture loyalty to their faction through insulting Trump’s supporters and telling them this is for their own good.
My hope, if Trump as I expect doesn’t push this to unusual means, is that he ignores protocol and dumps enough dirt to absolutely burn the GOP establishment that pumped the brakes on him in every non-public way it could.
But spilling all the tea with declass the gov doesn’t support would be the miracle. Bush Republicans gloating themselves into a corner requires only playing to type.
So, if I read that right, you're saying Trump will leave the Presidency, and your hope is he burns down the parts of the GOP who do not support him on the way out?
You can see a real lack of maturitySit in amusement for the next few days watching the Bush GOP make all the mistakes soy men typically make - thinking they will recapture loyalty to their faction through insulting Trump’s supporters and telling them this is for their own good.
My hope, if Trump as I expect doesn’t push this to unusual means, is that he ignores protocol and dumps enough dirt to absolutely burn the GOP establishment that pumped the brakes on him in every non-public way it could.
But spilling all the tea with declass the gov doesn’t support would be the miracle. Bush Republicans gloating themselves into a corner requires only playing to type.
So, if I read that right, you're saying Trump will leave the Presidency, and your hope is he burns down the parts of the GOP who do not support him on the way out?
I've repeatedly said voting is essential to democracy, but individual votes don't matter. Failure to understand that simple distinction is an intellectual failure on your part; and repeatedly denying what I said, and now resorting to insults, is just you being dishonest.
Sit in amusement for the next few days watching the Bush GOP make all the mistakes soy men typically make - thinking they will recapture loyalty to their faction through insulting Trump’s supporters and telling them this is for their own good.
My hope, if Trump as I expect doesn’t push this to unusual means, is that he ignores protocol and dumps enough dirt to absolutely burn the GOP establishment that pumped the brakes on him in every non-public way it could.
But spilling all the tea with declass the gov doesn’t support would be the miracle. Bush Republicans gloating themselves into a corner requires only playing to type.
So, if I read that right, you're saying Trump will leave the Presidency, and your hope is he burns down the parts of the GOP who do not support him on the way out?
I stated that your vote doesn't matter, because it doesn't. I never changed that statement, or qualified it. I made different statements, that supported and rounded out what I believe.I've repeatedly said voting is essential to democracy, but individual votes don't matter. Failure to understand that simple distinction is an intellectual failure on your part; and repeatedly denying what I said, and now resorting to insults, is just you being dishonest.
You started with and have more often said that anyone's vote doesn't matter, period. With no qualification. Your trolling amounts to stubbornly moving the goal posts an inch at a time. You'd get insulted less if you would state your positions plainly and honestly up front. And you've deserved every insult I've directed at you. Take a long look in the mirror, if your high-wattage projection doesn't blind you.
Yes by all means fracture a Republican party that hasn't won the popular vote in decades what possibly could go wrong lmao
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LOL...right wing terrorists? You mean the anarchy guys with 3 FBI agents among their ranks? Are you really falling for that one? Right wing terrorists DO NOT KIDNAP people.
While right-wing terrorists more often just kill people (and while the Michigan case suggests that they are not very good at planning anything like a kidnapping), the arrested men were decidedly right-wing, however desperately you want to disown them. So your statement is false.
Yes by all means fracture a Republican party that hasn't won the popular vote in decades what possibly could go wrong lmao
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To be fair, fracturing has been going on in the Democratic party for some time too. Some might say even more than the Republicans.
Hardline right wing groups do not get infiltrated. At least not the couple I know of.
burning the people who false-fronted as allies to him is indirect to further clarifying to the american people the degree to which their government actively disregards their will and interests. It is the clarity that I want. I also would be satisfied with what it would do to the copperheads who depend upon the mistaken good will given to them by voters they don't respect.
Trump absolutely should burn it all down -- every level, both sides of the aisle. I'm almost as tired about the fucking "principled conservatives" as I am of the "progressives." My buddy actually had the fucking gall to tell me he thinks Biden is better than Trump because he's also Catholic and wouldn't shift his position even when pointed out that Biden has voted for babies that survive abortion to be killed. But you know Trump said a mean thing in a tweet once.
I can not own them. I would have to be right wing, and since I do not even at this point know what in the world is a centrist stance about anything I have no idea what I am. I guess with the neck jarring shifts the country is trying to make to the left on some things I am far right on them at this point?There's still a significant moderate middle, it's just the people on the left and the right no longer believe it exists. So you if say anything critical to anyone on the left, you're called an extreme right wing lunatic. And if you say anything critical to anyone on the right, you're labeled an extreme progressive whackjob. If you correct them, and state what you actually believe, they'll say you're lying, and they know you don't believe what you believe. This also applies if you don't easily fit on the left-right axis at all.
Yes by all means fracture a Republican party that hasn't won the popular vote in decades what possibly could go wrong lmao
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To be fair, fracturing has been going on in the Democratic party for some time too. Some might say even more than the Republicans.
I stated that your vote doesn't matter, because it doesn't. I never changed that statement, or qualified it. I made different statements, that supported and rounded out what I believe.
To be fair, fracturing has been going on in the Democratic party for some time too. Some might say even more than the Republicans.
To be fair, fracturing has been going on in the Democratic party for some time too. Some might say even more than the Republicans.
81 million people said otherwise not that long ago.
Sit in amusement for the next few days watching the Bush GOP make all the mistakes soy men typically make - thinking they will recapture loyalty to their faction through insulting Trump’s supporters and telling them this is for their own good.
My hope, if Trump as I expect doesn’t push this to unusual means, is that he ignores protocol and dumps enough dirt to absolutely burn the GOP establishment that pumped the brakes on him in every non-public way it could.
But spilling all the tea with declass the gov doesn’t support would be the miracle. Bush Republicans gloating themselves into a corner requires only playing to type.
So, if I read that right, you're saying Trump will leave the Presidency, and your hope is he burns down the parts of the GOP who do not support him on the way out?
burning the people who false-fronted as allies to him is indirect to further clarifying to the american people the degree to which their government actively disregards their will and interests. It is the clarity that I want. I also would be satisfied with what it would do to the copperheads who depend upon the mistaken good will given to them by voters they don't respect.
The concept of addition by subtraction may seem fantastical to some, but yes. Mistwell is correct that the GOP he likes have directed the agenda for 40 years out of a 170 year-old party. All that achieves is ensuring the previous agenda never has a political champion - and it is an agenda people wish enacted. There are many voters who do not vote GOP because they rightly despise the GOP of the last 40 years.
To be fair, fracturing has been going on in the Democratic party for some time too. Some might say even more than the Republicans.
81 million people said otherwise not that long ago.
I can not own them. I would have to be right wing, and since I do not even at this point know what in the world is a centrist stance about anything I have no idea what I am. I guess with the neck jarring shifts the country is trying to make to the left on some things I am far right on them at this point?There's still a significant moderate middle, it's just the people on the left and the right no longer believe it exists. So you if say anything critical to anyone on the left, you're called an extreme right wing lunatic. And if you say anything critical to anyone on the right, you're labeled an extreme progressive whackjob. If you correct them, and state what you actually believe, they'll say you're lying, and they know you don't believe what you believe. This also applies if you don't easily fit on the left-right axis at all.
To be fair, fracturing has been going on in the Democratic party for some time too. Some might say even more than the Republicans.
81 million people said otherwise not that long ago.
I adapted to my environment. I think just about everyone is here to troll. Less so on the gaming part of the site, but here it's all about staying in character, right? Kayfabe for all.You can see a real lack of maturitySit in amusement for the next few days watching the Bush GOP make all the mistakes soy men typically make - thinking they will recapture loyalty to their faction through insulting Trump’s supporters and telling them this is for their own good.
My hope, if Trump as I expect doesn’t push this to unusual means, is that he ignores protocol and dumps enough dirt to absolutely burn the GOP establishment that pumped the brakes on him in every non-public way it could.
But spilling all the tea with declass the gov doesn’t support would be the miracle. Bush Republicans gloating themselves into a corner requires only playing to type.
So, if I read that right, you're saying Trump will leave the Presidency, and your hope is he burns down the parts of the GOP who do not support him on the way out?
That's fucking rich coming from a guy whose response to things he found distasteful on a message board was to become an admitted petulant troll himself.
There is no nuance on the Internet. The world is black and white, and you're either part of the tribe or the enemy tribe.
To be fair, fracturing has been going on in the Democratic party for some time too. Some might say even more than the Republicans.
81 million people said otherwise not that long ago.
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2020-election/leaked-recording-biden-says-gop-used-defund-police-beat-living-n1250757
Cracks are already forming, and Biden hasn't even been elected yet.
Are you seriously counting 100% of the people who supposedly voted for Biden after 4 YEARS of Russia conspiracy theories and non-stop propaganda telling everyone how Trump was Orange Hitler planted by Putin (Red Scare AND Godwin's law), along with UNPRESENDENT levels of mail-in voting, as people voting FOR the Democraptic Party as opposed to voting AGAINST Trump (just this time around--assuming that many people really did vote), and pretending those are all hardline Democraptic voters 100% OK with the party?
I don't really follow WTF happens in these part of the forum that much, except for the past few days, but is that really the level disingenuous bullshit you throw around?
When The New York Times asked Kim Ward, the Republican leader in the Pennsylvania Senate, whether she would have signed a letter declaring there was fraud in the state’s election, she replied, “If I would say to you, ‘I don’t want to do it,’” referring to signing the letter, “I’d get my house bombed tonight.”https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2020/12/republican-party-abandoning-democracy/617359/
More people voted for Republicans in State legislator positions and Congress, while simultaneously voting for Biden. So no, they didn't. What actually happened is a lot more nuanced than that. Progressives had a pretty bad election really (https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2020/11/2020-election-results-biden-won-democrats-senate-loss.html).
You can see a real lack of maturity in many of those that continue to support Trump's idiotic post-election antics. These are the people that adamantly claim to see something of substance in the Emperor's New Claims when those in their right minds (which includes the heavily conservative Supreme Court) keep saying there's nothing there. For some reason, they just can't get enough of those orange circus peanuts dangling over their faces.
Yes by all means fracture a Republican party that hasn't won the popular vote in decades what possibly could go wrong lmao
To be fair, fracturing has been going on in the Democratic party for some time too. Some might say even more than the Republicans.
81 million people said otherwise not that long ago.
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2020-election/leaked-recording-biden-says-gop-used-defund-police-beat-living-n1250757
Cracks are already forming, and Biden hasn't even been elected yet.
That Biden says Republicans used dishonest framing to beat Democrats is a crack in the Democratic party? LOL.
Are you seriously counting 100% of the people who supposedly voted for Biden after 4 YEARS of Russia conspiracy theories and non-stop propaganda telling everyone how Trump was Orange Hitler planted by Putin (Red Scare AND Godwin's law), along with UNPRESENDENT levels of mail-in voting, as people voting FOR the Democraptic Party as opposed to voting AGAINST Trump (just this time around--assuming that many people really did vote), and pretending those are all hardline Democraptic voters 100% OK with the party?
I don't really follow WTF happens in these part of the forum that much, except for the past few days, but is that really the level disingenuous bullshit you throw around?
For a decade, the GOP has depended on voter suppression and gerrymandering. And the GOP is already tearing itself apart over Trumpism - the ambitious hope to inherit Trump's mantle, Trump will be badmouthing the disloyal, the GOP members of Congress fear the most Trump loyal voters turning on them or the crazies killing them, and the Republicans can't settle on a message about whether Georgia elections are fair.
You can see a real lack of maturity in many of those that continue to support Trump's idiotic post-election antics. These are the people that adamantly claim to see something of substance in the Emperor's New Claims when those in their right minds (which includes the heavily conservative Supreme Court) keep saying there's nothing there. For some reason, they just can't get enough of those orange circus peanuts dangling over their faces.
Did the Supreme Court say there's nothing there? Do you have a quote from them saying that?
No idea who they are. I only know of one that is hard line right wing. They do not get infiltrated. A couple of the others, myabe. I think if you hear a whole lot about them on the internet, they are that hard line, and they are infiltrated. aka stormfront nazi posting about meetings on the interwebs. Maybe the one I feel has not been infiltrated has been, but when you engage in a bunch of norse pagan rituals, and demand hand to hand combat from all the people coming to the meetings (yes, like fight club) it makes it tough for a fed to slide in. But those crazy bastards are not looking to build an army. More like a motorcycle gang, and 1 percent gangs do not get infiltrated too often, legit ones never get infiltrated. But these dudes are the real right wing crazy people leftists see at every turn.Hardline right wing groups do not get infiltrated. At least not the couple I know of.
Fricking *Atomwaffen* is a leaky boat. Nazis are, as they say, messy bitches.
I can not own them. I would have to be right wing, and since I do not even at this point know what in the world is a centrist stance about anything I have no idea what I am. I guess with the neck jarring shifts the country is trying to make to the left on some things I am far right on them at this point?There's still a significant moderate middle, it's just the people on the left and the right no longer believe it exists. So you if say anything critical to anyone on the left, you're called an extreme right wing lunatic. And if you say anything critical to anyone on the right, you're labeled an extreme progressive whackjob. If you correct them, and state what you actually believe, they'll say you're lying, and they know you don't believe what you believe. This also applies if you don't easily fit on the left-right axis at all.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BCzxR-vo9nA
Wrong. The SCOTUS stated Texas did not have standing to a suit against other states in which Texas has no say in HOW those states conduct their election. Texas can STILL refile. They did NOT say what you claim. You are a liar and are acting AGAINST your own self interests here (see above). Listen to what a LAWYER states: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TXgz0rjt7-gYou can see a real lack of maturity in many of those that continue to support Trump's idiotic post-election antics. These are the people that adamantly claim to see something of substance in the Emperor's New Claims when those in their right minds (which includes the heavily conservative Supreme Court) keep saying there's nothing there. For some reason, they just can't get enough of those orange circus peanuts dangling over their faces.
Did the Supreme Court say there's nothing there? Do you have a quote from them saying that?
Yeah, saying your case is so weak it doesn't even rise to the level where they think it could conceivably be worth listening to it, that's a pretty clear declaration there is nothing there. Which is what 7 of the 9 justices said.
How many posts did you state that "your vote doesn't matter" with no qualification or indication that you had any belief that voting was nevertheless important?No, the problem is you're another Jeff. You keep on insisting on reading things into my posts that aren't there.
The problem for you is that I'm not reading things that aren't there but that you later pretend were.
Not expressing yourself well is what makes you a Pat.
Wrong. The SCOTUS stated Texas did not have standing to a suit against other states in which Texas has no say in HOW those states conduct their election. Texas can STILL refile. They did NOT say what you claim. You are a liar and are acting AGAINST your own self interests here (see above). Listen to what a LAWYER states: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TXgz0rjt7-gYou can see a real lack of maturity in many of those that continue to support Trump's idiotic post-election antics. These are the people that adamantly claim to see something of substance in the Emperor's New Claims when those in their right minds (which includes the heavily conservative Supreme Court) keep saying there's nothing there. For some reason, they just can't get enough of those orange circus peanuts dangling over their faces.
Did the Supreme Court say there's nothing there? Do you have a quote from them saying that?
Yeah, saying your case is so weak it doesn't even rise to the level where they think it could conceivably be worth listening to it, that's a pretty clear declaration there is nothing there. Which is what 7 of the 9 justices said.
tl;dr people have lost the ability to read posts like this
How many posts did you state that "your vote doesn't matter" with no qualification or indication that you had any belief that voting was nevertheless important?No, the problem is you're another Jeff. You keep on insisting on reading things into my posts that aren't there.
The problem for you is that I'm not reading things that aren't there but that you later pretend were.
Not expressing yourself well is what makes you a Pat.
I said "your vote doesn't matter". Your vote. The vote of an individual. That's a specific claim, and I justified that by explaining how the chance is effectively zero that your vote will flip an election. In other words, my specific claim was followed by a logical argument that justified my specific position.
I never said votes don't matter, collectively. That's something very different. I never said that voting isn't healthy for a democracy as a whole. Also different. And the argument I made in support of my position, i.e. that your vote won't flip an election, has no bearing on whether voting, in the collective, is a good or a bad thing. So the ancillary evidence supports what I said, not what you said I said, as well.
Incorrectly interpreting someone else's post, like you did, is fairly easy to do. After all, if you skim something quickly, spot something you superficially disagree with, and immediately react, it's easy to miss the nuance. You can miss the precise way they they phrased that particular statement, and fail to fully absorb the rest of what they said, so you don't see how their claim and supporting arguments gel into a coherent position. It's lazy reading, but it's easy to do.
I'm used to being called right wing by left wingers, and left wing by ring wingers. It's been happening my entire adult life, and even back into my adolescence. When there are two popular positions, and you hold one of them, it's easy to assume that someone who disagrees with one of your positions belongs to the other wing of thought.
The difference is I used to be able to just say "no, that's not what I said" or "no, that's not what I believe", clarify my position, and people would believe me. People sometimes were incredulous that I held a position that doesn't easily fit into that bipartite orthodoxy, but they'd accept I probably know more about what I believe than they do, and they'd come to accept it. It sometimes made them curious and they asked questions, they sometimes argued against my beliefs, and they sometimes (most commonly) dismissed my beliefs as not worthy of consideration. But they wouldn't deny that I believed what I said I believed.
That's a new phenomenon. You, Jeff, and others have started to insist that I really believe X, not Y, even if what I said contradicts X, and fully supports Y. From my perspective, it's the bizarrest thing. Because to make that claim, not only do you have to miss what I really said in the first place, but you have to reject my clarification. And since we're talking about what I believe, that's not just an attempt to refute my arguments. You're literally telling me I don't believe what I say I believe. It's the strangest thing, when someone like you sets themselves up as the expert on my mind.
It's never based on extensive knowledge of me, after all. You're not my family, a close friend, or even something like a psychoanalyst who has conducted a deep dive into all that makes me me. Instead, you're basing your conclusions on a few sentences. Usually just one narrow statement. For instance, I started looking into the financing of BLM, and corrected your Jeff persona's claim that the money from ShareBlue was being funneled into the Biden campaign. It was a false claim, because ShareBlue simply isn't set up that way. It's more like a payment processor than a general fund that can distribute money at will. But based solely on that objection, your tubesock Jeffwa decided that I was defending BLM, and therefore I was a Biden supporter. Which is completely absurd. I was digging into where the money went because I'm not a fan of BLM. (I also did not fill in the oval next to Biden/Harris on my ballot this year, not that it's any of your business.)
You did exactly the same thing in this thread, Rawmeff. I said that the mainstream media produces a lot of misleading or just plain false news. Based almost entirely on one that one narrow statement, you decided I was right wing, and imputed I supported Trump. And you kept insisting on that, even when I corrected you. (I'm sure you'll tell me otherwise, but I didn't fill in the oval next to Trump/Pence on my ballot either.)
But it didn't matter what I really believed. No matter what I said, you keep insisting you know my mind, and that I don't. That even though I didn't say it, and nothing else I said supports it, I believe what you say I believe, not what I really believe. It's surreal.
And it's not just restricted to political orientation. You're doing it now, on voting. And to be fair, it's not just you and Rawma, Jeff. It's becoming widespread. I blame polarization, and the internet. People have hardened their positions in a grand war of X vs. Y, and so are blind to the rest of the alphabet. And since it's become a total war, it's easier to shoot first and ask questions never.
The internet also encourages skimming, bouncing from one thing to next, and quickly jumping to conclusions. People seem to have lost the ability to bury themselves in a book, blocking out the rest of the world to become absorbed a story, or someone else's worldview. Instead, they've become hyper-critical, reading everything with the aim of objecting. So the first time they see something that, on first blush, seems at odd with what they believe, they react. Since it's about the war and immediate reflexive attacks, not truly grokking what's being said, they rely on dogwhistles nee litmus tests, stereotypes cum strawmen, and blast away with a hair trigger against imagined enemies.
tl;dr people have lost the ability to read posts like this
Did the Supreme Court say there's nothing there? Do you have a quote from them saying that?
To be fair, fracturing has been going on in the Democratic party for some time too. Some might say even more than the Republicans.
81 million people said otherwise not that long ago.
Did the Supreme Court say there's nothing there? Do you have a quote from them saying that?
Burden of proof is on those who say there is something there
To be fair, fracturing has been going on in the Democratic party for some time too. Some might say even more than the Republicans.
81 million people said otherwise not that long ago.
Even European news have caught on to have fractured the Democratic Party is, and you’re denying it?
I'm the real world, none of Trump's post-election bullshit has accomplished anything in courts that will change the election's outcome. That's the only fact that matters.Did the Supreme Court say there's nothing there? Do you have a quote from them saying that?
Burden of proof is on those who say there is something there
Such as people claiming that the courts specifically said there's nothing there, when back in the real world courts can dismiss a case for any number of reasons (ranging from judge bias to improper presentation of the claims), not necessarily because there's nothing there.
To be fair, fracturing has been going on in the Democratic party for some time too. Some might say even more than the Republicans.
81 million people said otherwise not that long ago.
Even European news have caught on to have fractured the Democratic Party is, and you’re denying it?
This is what you get when you deal with disingenuous people who argue strictly on the basis of gotchas and tribalism, rather than the merits of what's being discussed.
To be fair, fracturing has been going on in the Democratic party for some time too. Some might say even more than the Republicans.
81 million people said otherwise not that long ago.
Even European news have caught on to have fractured the Democratic Party is, and you’re denying it?
Did the Supreme Court say there's nothing there? Do you have a quote from them saying that?
Burden of proof is on those who say there is something there
Such as people claiming that the courts specifically said there's nothing there, when back in the real world courts can dismiss a case for any number of reasons (ranging from judge bias to improper presentation of the claims), not necessarily because there's nothing there.
On Saturday, a federal district court judge in Wisconsin issued an opinion explaining why, on the merits, Texas's substantive arguments were without merit. And, as occurred on the Supreme Court, a judge appointed by President Trump, Brett Ludwig, ruled against him.
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Dozens of election suits have been filed, and dozens of judges of all political stripes and judicial philosophies have ruled against the claims put forward by the Trump campaign and its allies.
I'm the real world, none of Trump's post-election bullshit has accomplished anything in courts that will change the election's outcome. That's the only fact that matters.Did the Supreme Court say there's nothing there? Do you have a quote from them saying that?
Burden of proof is on those who say there is something there
Such as people claiming that the courts specifically said there's nothing there, when back in the real world courts can dismiss a case for any number of reasons (ranging from judge bias to improper presentation of the claims), not necessarily because there's nothing there.
To be fair, fracturing has been going on in the Democratic party for some time too. Some might say even more than the Republicans.
81 million people said otherwise not that long ago.
Even European news have caught on to have fractured the Democratic Party is, and you’re denying it?
This is what you get when you deal with disingenuous people who argue strictly on the basis of gotchas and tribalism, rather than the merits of what's being discussed.
To be fair, fracturing has been going on in the Democratic party for some time too. Some might say even more than the Republicans.
81 million people said otherwise not that long ago.
Even European news have caught on to have fractured the Democratic Party is, and you’re denying it?
Trump allies are attacking other Republicans over the election nonsense, but it's the Democratic party that is fractured? Believe harder, people, Tinkerbell is still dead.
Trump allies are attacking other Republicans over the election nonsense, but it's the Democratic party that is fractured? Believe harder, people, Tinkerbell is still dead.
To be fair, fracturing has been going on in the Democratic party for some time too. Some might say even more than the Republicans.
81 million people said otherwise not that long ago.
Even European news have caught on to have fractured the Democratic Party is, and you’re denying it?
Trump allies are attacking other Republicans over the election nonsense, but it's the Democratic party that is fractured? Believe harder, people, Tinkerbell is still dead.
Trump allies =/= Republicans...why do you think he won in 2016?Voter suppression, Russian propaganda, and a large minority in this country who are really pissed off at their perceived lack of success in life.
Trump allies are attacking other Republicans over the election nonsense, but it's the Democratic party that is fractured? Believe harder, people, Tinkerbell is still dead.
Trump allies =/= Republicans...why do you think he won in 2016?
But by Thursday, one of the incumbents Democrats had spent heavily to defend, Representative Debbie Mucarsel-Powell, who was defeated Tuesday night as President Trump won a resounding victory in her Miami-area district, broke into tears as she spoke out to her soon-to-be former colleagues about internal divides in the party.
Did the Supreme Court say there's nothing there? Do you have a quote from them saying that?
Burden of proof is on those who say there is something there; they've failed. You're approaching Ron "show me the evidence that there's no evidence" Johnson level of cluelessness.
I don't have to care that you are unwilling to understand.
In the real world none of that addresses or refutes what I said.
If I had a quote, I would have put it in quotes, you stupid motherfucker. Instead, I summarized the effective statement of the court and put that in italics for emphasis. You do know how that works, right?Did the Supreme Court say there's nothing there? Do you have a quote from them saying that?
Burden of proof is on those who say there is something there; they've failed. You're approaching Ron "show me the evidence that there's no evidence" Johnson level of cluelessness.
So you have the quote that Happydaze is talking about where the Supreme Court says there's nothing there?
So Republicans are divided, therefore Democrats can’t be. Got it.
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/11/05/us/house-democrats-election-losses.htmlQuoteBut by Thursday, one of the incumbents Democrats had spent heavily to defend, Representative Debbie Mucarsel-Powell, who was defeated Tuesday night as President Trump won a resounding victory in her Miami-area district, broke into tears as she spoke out to her soon-to-be former colleagues about internal divides in the party.
When The New York Times asked Kim Ward, the Republican leader in the Pennsylvania Senate, whether she would have signed a letter declaring there was fraud in the state’s election, she replied, “If I would say to you, ‘I don’t want to do it,’” referring to signing the letter, “I’d get my house bombed tonight.”https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2020/12/republican-party-abandoning-democracy/617359/
Trump allies =/= Republicans...why do you think he won in 2016?Voter suppression, Russian propaganda, and a large minority in this country who are really pissed off at their perceived lack of success in life.
If I had a quote, I would have put it in quotes, you stupid motherfucker. Instead, I summarized the effective statement of the court and put that in italics for emphasis. You do know how that works, right?
If others want to keep looking at the Emperor's New Claims and saying there is something of substance there, they need to accept that most of the world is going to mock them for their foolishness.
The State of Texas’s motion for leave to file a bill of complaint is denied for lack of standing under Article III of the Constitution. Texas has not demonstrated a judicially cognizable interest in the manner in which another State conducts its elections. All other pending motions are dismissed as moot.
Shasarak, you fool, no standing, everything else is moot is effectively the same as nothing to see here for just about every layman's needs. But go on praising the Emperor's New Claims as having substance when it has been ruled to be nothing at all.If I had a quote, I would have put it in quotes, you stupid motherfucker. Instead, I summarized the effective statement of the court and put that in italics for emphasis. You do know how that works, right?
If others want to keep looking at the Emperor's New Claims and saying there is something of substance there, they need to accept that most of the world is going to mock them for their foolishness.
The problem is that your summary was full of shit.
Stupid motherfucker indeed.
Here is the quote for you so you wont have to make up a brilliant brain fart next time:QuoteThe State of Texas’s motion for leave to file a bill of complaint is denied for lack of standing under Article III of the Constitution. Texas has not demonstrated a judicially cognizable interest in the manner in which another State conducts its elections. All other pending motions are dismissed as moot.
Jesus, just one sentence and you still can not understand.You obviously fail to understand my understanding.
You dont have to play act being a moron all of the time.
So Republicans are divided, therefore Democrats can’t be. Got it.
Rather, the disagreement within the Democratic party does not rise to the level of "fracturing", much as you want to misrepresent what I said and move the goalposts. Any healthy party will have differences of opinion among its members, and that they came together to elect Joe Biden indicates that they worked out a compromise. The Republican party has deep fractures between those who want to move on from Trump and those who don't; some, like Justin Amash, will be purged from the ranks.
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/11/05/us/house-democrats-election-losses.htmlQuoteBut by Thursday, one of the incumbents Democrats had spent heavily to defend, Representative Debbie Mucarsel-Powell, who was defeated Tuesday night as President Trump won a resounding victory in her Miami-area district, broke into tears as she spoke out to her soon-to-be former colleagues about internal divides in the party.
I was unable to find the part where some Democrat fears that her house will be bombed if she doesn't go along with other Democrats. Because you're stupid and dishonest, I will again provide the link about that happening to a Republican:QuoteWhen The New York Times asked Kim Ward, the Republican leader in the Pennsylvania Senate, whether she would have signed a letter declaring there was fraud in the state’s election, she replied, “If I would say to you, ‘I don’t want to do it,’” referring to signing the letter, “I’d get my house bombed tonight.”https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2020/12/republican-party-abandoning-democracy/617359/
All sixteen confirmed bombs sent were improvised explosive devices,[11] though none had a trigger mechanism.[12] None of the devices exploded outside a controlled setting.[13]
So Republicans are divided, therefore Democrats can’t be. Got it.
Rather, the disagreement within the Democratic party does not rise to the level of "fracturing", much as you want to misrepresent what I said and move the goalposts. Any healthy party will have differences of opinion among its members, and that they came together to elect Joe Biden indicates that they worked out a compromise. The Republican party has deep fractures between those who want to move on from Trump and those who don't; some, like Justin Amash, will be purged from the ranks.https://www.nytimes.com/2020/11/05/us/house-democrats-election-losses.htmlQuoteBut by Thursday, one of the incumbents Democrats had spent heavily to defend, Representative Debbie Mucarsel-Powell, who was defeated Tuesday night as President Trump won a resounding victory in her Miami-area district, broke into tears as she spoke out to her soon-to-be former colleagues about internal divides in the party.
I was unable to find the part where some Democrat fears that her house will be bombed if she doesn't go along with other Democrats. Because you're stupid and dishonest, I will again provide the link about that happening to a Republican:QuoteWhen The New York Times asked Kim Ward, the Republican leader in the Pennsylvania Senate, whether she would have signed a letter declaring there was fraud in the state’s election, she replied, “If I would say to you, ‘I don’t want to do it,’” referring to signing the letter, “I’d get my house bombed tonight.”https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2020/12/republican-party-abandoning-democracy/617359/
I would add the Comey announcement, which was judged sufficient to swing the election (https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/the-comey-letter-probably-cost-clinton-the-election/). it was so corrupt that Barr, willing to stoop to almost anything in service to Donald Trump, wouldn't do that with the Hunter Biden investigation (probably more out of keen awareness that nobody in the Trump administration had any credibility with anyone not already voting for Trump).Yes, that too.
THE PARTY OF PEACE AND PROGRESS purposefully misspells words to deflect from the REAL AGENDA:
https://twitter.com/tracybeanz/status/1337860197461667840
https://twitter.com/TomFitton/status/1337750599769665538
THE ANSWER:
https://twitter.com/CodeMonkeyZ/status/1337779444933558277
https://www.globalresearch.ca/rex-84-fema-s-blueprint-for-martial-law-in-america/3010
https://www.veteranstoday.com/2020/02/29/trump-and-jade-helm-ii-trainloads-of-shackles-shipped-in-as-20-million-hillbillies-to-enter-walmart-basement-death-camps/
Remember, I warned you all!
fnord.
===============================Wrong. The SCOTUS stated Texas did not have standing to a suit against other states in which Texas has no say in HOW those states conduct their election. Texas can STILL refile. They did NOT say what you claim. You are a liar and are acting AGAINST your own self interests here (see above). Listen to what a LAWYER states: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TXgz0rjt7-gYou can see a real lack of maturity in many of those that continue to support Trump's idiotic post-election antics. These are the people that adamantly claim to see something of substance in the Emperor's New Claims when those in their right minds (which includes the heavily conservative Supreme Court) keep saying there's nothing there. For some reason, they just can't get enough of those orange circus peanuts dangling over their faces.
Did the Supreme Court say there's nothing there? Do you have a quote from them saying that?
Yeah, saying your case is so weak it doesn't even rise to the level where they think it could conceivably be worth listening to it, that's a pretty clear declaration there is nothing there. Which is what 7 of the 9 justices said.
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Also, here is a breakdown of the FINAL DECISION on the Flynn Case:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KIaabsZ9H-8
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I would add the Comey announcement, which was judged sufficient to swing the election (https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/the-comey-letter-probably-cost-clinton-the-election/). it was so corrupt that Barr, willing to stoop to almost anything in service to Donald Trump, wouldn't do that with the Hunter Biden investigation (probably more out of keen awareness that nobody in the Trump administration had any credibility with anyone not already voting for Trump).Yes, that too.
I would add the Comey announcement, which was judged sufficient to swing the election (https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/the-comey-letter-probably-cost-clinton-the-election/). it was so corrupt that Barr, willing to stoop to almost anything in service to Donald Trump, wouldn't do that with the Hunter Biden investigation (probably more out of keen awareness that nobody in the Trump administration had any credibility with anyone not already voting for Trump).Yes, that too.
Has anyone mentioned Hilary Clinton yet?
Biggest factor in my mind.
I would add the Comey announcement, which was judged sufficient to swing the election (https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/the-comey-letter-probably-cost-clinton-the-election/). it was so corrupt that Barr, willing to stoop to almost anything in service to Donald Trump, wouldn't do that with the Hunter Biden investigation (probably more out of keen awareness that nobody in the Trump administration had any credibility with anyone not already voting for Trump).Yes, that too.
Has anyone mentioned Hilary Clinton yet?
Biggest factor in my mind.
Why mention one of the real reasons Trump actually got elected when you can bring up conspiracy theories, fever dreams and projections, and pretend they're the real reason?
PS: Did you know that Trump got the nomination in part cuz Hillary's campaign got the media to prop him up under the drastically mistaken believe she could beat him (which was one of the revelations in the Wikileaks that led to the Russia, Russia conspiracy nonsense, cuz apparently Wikileaks = RUSSIA!)?
the-more-you-know.mp4
I would add the Comey announcement, which was judged sufficient to swing the election (https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/the-comey-letter-probably-cost-clinton-the-election/). it was so corrupt that Barr, willing to stoop to almost anything in service to Donald Trump, wouldn't do that with the Hunter Biden investigation (probably more out of keen awareness that nobody in the Trump administration had any credibility with anyone not already voting for Trump).Yes, that too.
Has anyone mentioned Hilary Clinton yet?
Biggest factor in my mind.
Why mention one of the real reasons Trump actually got elected when you can bring up conspiracy theories, fever dreams and projections, and pretend they're the real reason?
PS: Did you know that Trump got the nomination in part cuz Hillary's campaign got the media to prop him up under the drastically mistaken believe she could beat him (which was one of the revelations in the Wikileaks that led to the Russia, Russia conspiracy nonsense, cuz apparently Wikileaks = RUSSIA!)?
the-more-you-know.mp4
It was especially surprising considering that the Democrats already had the (apparently) most popular Presidential candidate in USian history ready to go.
Jesus, just one sentence and you still can not understand.You obviously fail to understand my understanding.
You dont have to play act being a moron all of the time.
Or, as jeffy would say, dance monkey, dance.
I would add the Comey announcement, which was judged sufficient to swing the election (https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/the-comey-letter-probably-cost-clinton-the-election/). it was so corrupt that Barr, willing to stoop to almost anything in service to Donald Trump, wouldn't do that with the Hunter Biden investigation (probably more out of keen awareness that nobody in the Trump administration had any credibility with anyone not already voting for Trump).Yes, that too.
Has anyone mentioned Hilary Clinton yet?
Biggest factor in my mind.
Why mention one of the real reasons Trump actually got elected when you can bring up conspiracy theories, fever dreams and projections, and pretend they're the real reason?
PS: Did you know that Trump got the nomination in part cuz Hillary's campaign got the media to prop him up under the drastically mistaken believe she could beat him (which was one of the revelations in the Wikileaks that led to the Russia, Russia conspiracy nonsense, cuz apparently Wikileaks = RUSSIA!)?
the-more-you-know.mp4
It was especially surprising considering that the Democrats already had the (apparently) most popular Presidential candidate in USian history ready to go.
And he's right, he would have beat Hillary in the primaries I think.
Nah, you got the roles reversed, Shasarak is arguing in good faith while you are trolling him.
You are still the monkey, HappyDaze.
What precisely do you believe I have lied about, you dishonest little bitch?Nah, you got the roles reversed, Shasarak is arguing in good faith while you are trolling him.
You are still the monkey, HappyDaze.
The scary thing here is that these guys on the forums are apparently the health professionals that everyone is supposed to trust with regard to things like the Chinese Wuhan virus and when they lie about something as easy to check as this, well it just destroys any of their credibility.
I mean now who is going to wear a mask if Happydaze says they should? And why would they.
And he's right, he would have beat Hillary in the primaries I think.
Same way he beat her in 2008? And beat Bernie too? Also, I'm sure that $Hillary and the DNC wouldn't have cheated against him, the same way they did Bernie, to ensure she got the nomination, because it was "Her Time!". #ImWithHer
They have to make a full length film of this:
Make it so.
I mean our fiends here bitch about 'climate change', 'police brutality', and 'wars in other countries' after they refused to vote for Trump.So, which fiends here are you referring to that bitch about those things and also refused to vote for Trump?
And he's right, he would have beat Hillary in the primaries I think.
Same way he beat her in 2008? And beat Bernie too? Also, I'm sure that $Hillary and the DNC wouldn't have cheated against him, the same way they did Bernie, to ensure she got the nomination, because it was "Her Time!". #ImWithHer
No because he hadn't been a Vice President of the United States in 2008. Obviously. Biden had even more establishment support than Hillary did in 2016. And he had a far better background to run against Bernie than she did - he has a huge Union-backing resume she lacked. Biden would have cleaned up in the primaries that year. He just couldn't run.
I mean our fiends here bitch about 'climate change', 'police brutality', and 'wars in other countries' after they refused to vote for Trump.
And he's right, he would have beat Hillary in the primaries I think.
Same way he beat her in 2008? And beat Bernie too? Also, I'm sure that $Hillary and the DNC wouldn't have cheated against him, the same way they did Bernie, to ensure she got the nomination, because it was "Her Time!". #ImWithHer
No because he hadn't been a Vice President of the United States in 2008. Obviously. Biden had even more establishment support than Hillary did in 2016. And he had a far better background to run against Bernie than she did - he has a huge Union-backing resume she lacked. Biden would have cleaned up in the primaries that year. He just couldn't run.
IDK, I doubt that he would’ve generated as much enthusiasm as Bernie.
Plus there’s also the fact that the Clintons basically own the Democratic party.
I mean our fiends here bitch about 'climate change', 'police brutality', and 'wars in other countries' after they refused to vote for Trump.So, which fiends here are you referring to that bitch about those things and also refused to vote for Trump?
BTW, nice job on blatantly demonizing the other with that word choice, was it intentional or a slip?
I mean our fiends here bitch about 'climate change', 'police brutality', and 'wars in other countries' after they refused to vote for Trump.
I don't bitch about any of those things. I bitch about our immigration policy, trade wars, lack of globalism, health care, failure to repair our infrastructure, and the debt. Biden won't do anything good with the debt but I bet he does better with the other issues.
Greetings!Thanks. You, and Rawma as well, are correct that I was using a rhetorical technique to create some cognitive dissonance. That's because the idea that voting matters, full stop, has been drilled into peoples' heads so much that challenges to it are often unthinkingly dismissed, almost as if they were a form of heresy. By highlighting the statistical impossibility of a single vote swinging an election, I was trying to break through that ingrained, unexamined belief.
Excellent commentary, Pat. I agree that people often seem to like arguing against some image in their heads rather than actually discussing what someone actually said--or means--and in this case, you in particular.
I interpreted your earlier commentary as what is the word--a dichotomy, or paradox? The one where two statements are seemingly contradictory, while being true at the same time?--I know on some level that an individual vote doesn't matter--but collectively, voting matters, is valuable, and in some circumstances can be decisive. *Shrugs* I think I understood you correctly.
On another note, somewhat related--I think some people often like to get *pedantic*. While it can be important to read what someone specifically says--in my view, a deeper and more fulfilling exercise is understanding what a person *means*--which is not always a precise map to what they happened to have said. If that makes any sense.It makes a lot of sense.
None the less, though, your assessment about how many people engage in interweb arguments is accurate. I see that often, and even sometimes correcting friends of mine that *didn't* read something fully, but instead skimmed, and then embraced a conclusion. Their conclusions often miss nuance and a greater comprehension of what was said in whatever article.
I think it is always important to actually listen to what the other person is saying. Too often, people arguing on the interwebs don't do that, unfortunately.
Semper Fidelis,
SHARK
IDK, I doubt that he would’ve generated as much enthusiasm as Bernie.
He just fended off both Bernie and Warren, and his name wasn't as prominent as it would have been right after being VP. We don't have to theorize, we know he was able to put the progressives like Bernie away.
QuotePlus there’s also the fact that the Clintons basically own the Democratic party.
After Obama, Clinton bitched she basically had to put back together the party coalitions because Obama had altered them so much. Biden was walking into the Obama coalitions gift in hand without the need to restructure them so much. She didn't own them, she made them around herself while running.
What precisely do you believe I have lied about, you dishonest little bitch?Nah, you got the roles reversed, Shasarak is arguing in good faith while you are trolling him.
You are still the monkey, HappyDaze.
The scary thing here is that these guys on the forums are apparently the health professionals that everyone is supposed to trust with regard to things like the Chinese Wuhan virus and when they lie about something as easy to check as this, well it just destroys any of their credibility.
I mean now who is going to wear a mask if Happydaze says they should? And why would they.
See, we can all call each other dishonest and completely dismiss anything the other says. It's the way things work here.
Jeffy, you're reading hurt in my posts that doesn't exist. I don't get the least bit upset from the bullshit here because I recognize that both the posts and the posters on this part of the forum are largely just meaningless. But you know that, jeffy, so you just keep playing your character your way, and I'll do the same.What precisely do you believe I have lied about, you dishonest little bitch?Nah, you got the roles reversed, Shasarak is arguing in good faith while you are trolling him.
You are still the monkey, HappyDaze.
The scary thing here is that these guys on the forums are apparently the health professionals that everyone is supposed to trust with regard to things like the Chinese Wuhan virus and when they lie about something as easy to check as this, well it just destroys any of their credibility.
I mean now who is going to wear a mask if Happydaze says they should? And why would they.
See, we can all call each other dishonest and completely dismiss anything the other says. It's the way things work here.
So if it is the way things work here, you should be used to it.
Why does it get you butthurt? Is it because you are a monkey who dances to anyone's tune? Is your kink not OK?
Jeffy, you're reading hurt in my posts that doesn't exist. I don't get the least bit upset from the bullshit here because I recognize that both the posts and the posters on this part of the forum are largely just meaningless. But you know that, jeffy, so you just keep playing your character your way, and I'll do the same.What precisely do you believe I have lied about, you dishonest little bitch?Nah, you got the roles reversed, Shasarak is arguing in good faith while you are trolling him.
You are still the monkey, HappyDaze.
The scary thing here is that these guys on the forums are apparently the health professionals that everyone is supposed to trust with regard to things like the Chinese Wuhan virus and when they lie about something as easy to check as this, well it just destroys any of their credibility.
I mean now who is going to wear a mask if Happydaze says they should? And why would they.
See, we can all call each other dishonest and completely dismiss anything the other says. It's the way things work here.
So if it is the way things work here, you should be used to it.
Why does it get you butthurt? Is it because you are a monkey who dances to anyone's tune? Is your kink not OK?
Imagine what you want, jeffy; I know you need feel like your posts matter to others to help you masturbate.Jeffy, you're reading hurt in my posts that doesn't exist. I don't get the least bit upset from the bullshit here because I recognize that both the posts and the posters on this part of the forum are largely just meaningless. But you know that, jeffy, so you just keep playing your character your way, and I'll do the same.What precisely do you believe I have lied about, you dishonest little bitch?Nah, you got the roles reversed, Shasarak is arguing in good faith while you are trolling him.
You are still the monkey, HappyDaze.
The scary thing here is that these guys on the forums are apparently the health professionals that everyone is supposed to trust with regard to things like the Chinese Wuhan virus and when they lie about something as easy to check as this, well it just destroys any of their credibility.
I mean now who is going to wear a mask if Happydaze says they should? And why would they.
See, we can all call each other dishonest and completely dismiss anything the other says. It's the way things work here.
So if it is the way things work here, you should be used to it.
Why does it get you butthurt? Is it because you are a monkey who dances to anyone's tune? Is your kink not OK?
Of course you aren't butthurt...... ::) ::)
Imagine what you want, jeffy; I know you need feel like your posts matter to others to help you masturbate.Jeffy, you're reading hurt in my posts that doesn't exist. I don't get the least bit upset from the bullshit here because I recognize that both the posts and the posters on this part of the forum are largely just meaningless. But you know that, jeffy, so you just keep playing your character your way, and I'll do the same.What precisely do you believe I have lied about, you dishonest little bitch?Nah, you got the roles reversed, Shasarak is arguing in good faith while you are trolling him.
You are still the monkey, HappyDaze.
The scary thing here is that these guys on the forums are apparently the health professionals that everyone is supposed to trust with regard to things like the Chinese Wuhan virus and when they lie about something as easy to check as this, well it just destroys any of their credibility.
I mean now who is going to wear a mask if Happydaze says they should? And why would they.
See, we can all call each other dishonest and completely dismiss anything the other says. It's the way things work here.
So if it is the way things work here, you should be used to it.
Why does it get you butthurt? Is it because you are a monkey who dances to anyone's tune? Is your kink not OK?
Of course you aren't butthurt...... ::) ::)
I mean our fiends here bitch about 'climate change', 'police brutality', and 'wars in other countries' after they refused to vote for Trump.
I don't bitch about any of those things. I bitch about our immigration policy, trade wars, lack of globalism, health care, failure to repair our infrastructure, and the debt. Biden won't do anything good with the debt but I bet he does better with the other issues.
I wasn't referring to you. The ones I was referencing actually try and claim a moral high ground. You are just a neocon who feels that making money off of (1)manufactured international conflict, (2)artificially suppressing Americans' wages, and (3)other countries use of slave/forced labor is ok.
I respect you for at least admitting this and not trying to claim the moral high ground.
Trump was engaging in style over substance when it came to the trade wars stuff.He's always taking politics and the economy to the edge, because that's the point...that's the Trumppunk way.
The impact our imports had on China is a thriving middle class in China, much higher wages in China, and the ability of workers to quit and move between jobs and even strike if their factories don't pay better wages (which usually happens during Chinese New Year). All of which I watched happen over the past decade. A rising tide raises all boats, and that is what globalism does. It had the same impact in Viet Nam, who is now only about 5 years behind China for that effect. It's spreading now to Cambodia and Bangladesh and Nigeria.Do you have some citations for China? What I've seen is that China's successes largely happened because the central government authorized local officials in certain zones to experiment. The successful ones allow a certain degree of a free market, but it's still very limited and mother-may-I. It's also highly regional, and has led to staggering disparities between provinces, because the freedoms and economic growth are concentrated in a few areas. I haven't heard much about strikes, but given how the government handles other forms of opposition, I would be very surprised if they were a widespread phenomenon.
Eventually, if we stopped fucking with it and let the market do it's thing, all "third world" nations would rise into "second world" nations and then "first world" nations. And as that happens you see freedoms dramatically increase. People spend their money on many of our cultural exports, like movies and iPhones and branded products. And they demand more freedoms when that happens. Because they see our culture, and our freedoms, and they want that for themselves now that they have the money to spend on it.China is a counter-argument. They might want freedom, but they're not getting it.
The impact our imports had on China is a thriving middle class in China, much higher wages in China, and the ability of workers to quit and move between jobs and even strike if their factories don't pay better wages (which usually happens during Chinese New Year). All of which I watched happen over the past decade. A rising tide raises all boats, and that is what globalism does. It had the same impact in Viet Nam, who is now only about 5 years behind China for that effect. It's spreading now to Cambodia and Bangladesh and Nigeria.
Eventually, if we stopped fucking with it and let the market do it's thing, all "third world" nations would rise into "second world" nations and then "first world" nations. And as that happens you see freedoms dramatically increase. People spend their money on many of our cultural exports, like movies and iPhones and branded products. And they demand more freedoms when that happens. Because they see our culture, and our freedoms, and they want that for themselves now that they have the money to spend on it.
Trump fucked all this up with his nationalism and his trade wars. Freedom took a step back in some of these nations in the wake of it. Combined with our boneheaded immigration policies where somehow we started to say no to trained doctors and engineers from other nations wanting to emigrate here despite the high value of that immigration to our longterm economy, and it was just a terrible combination of anti-globalism policies.
And I disagree it was suppressing wages. You don't see manufacturing thriving here after we raised those custom taxes, all you saw was a shift from China to other nations for imports for some companies, at a slightly higher cost. As a manufacturer I can tell you the impact it had on us - the increased customs costs suppressed the wages of our other manufacturing employees who manufacture the more complicated items which we make here in the U.S.. So it had the exact opposite effect of what you thought it did for us. It's not like companies were going to suddenly start weaving and dying fabric here in the U.S. after 25 years of the U.S. not doing that. We don't have that equipment, space, warehousing, resellers, distributors, raw materials, or expertise for that anymore and it was still way cheaper to do overseas even with the higher tax than to try and restart that entire industry from scratch here. All it did was add a big tax on some businesses. With the largest impact on small businesses. Which is a boneheaded move. The whole scheme was unworkable from a logistics standpoint, crafted purely as a sales pitch to people who don't know the details of how it worked. It sounded good, like it was going to bring manufacturing jobs back to the U.S., but it was not built to do that at all in a realistic sense. Why you'd trust the Government to manage something like that I will never know. Since when has the Government been good at putting together complex systems like that?
But I get the nationalism perspective. It's not that I think it's evil, I just don't think it was the wisest move for the long term health of our nation. I think it comes down to Trump was engaging in style over substance when it came to the trade wars stuff.
Do you have some citations for China? What I've seen is that China's successes largely happened because the central government authorized local officials in certain zones to experiment. The successful ones allow a certain degree of a free market, but it's still very limited and mother-may-I. It's also highly regional, and has led to staggering disparities between provinces, because the freedoms and economic growth are concentrated in a few areas. I haven't heard much about strikes, but given how the government handles other forms of opposition, I would be very surprised if they were a widespread phenomenon.
What precisely do you believe I have lied about, you dishonest little bitch?Nah, you got the roles reversed, Shasarak is arguing in good faith while you are trolling him.
You are still the monkey, HappyDaze.
The scary thing here is that these guys on the forums are apparently the health professionals that everyone is supposed to trust with regard to things like the Chinese Wuhan virus and when they lie about something as easy to check as this, well it just destroys any of their credibility.
I mean now who is going to wear a mask if Happydaze says they should? And why would they.
See, we can all call each other dishonest and completely dismiss anything the other says. It's the way things work here.
Admitting you are the problem is the first step, but only if you're honest about it...
Yeah I am the dishonest one.
And of course we all laugh at these crowder sketches, but we also all laugh because we know they won't be able to change crowder's mind; what is humorous is that they try and fail miserably. The joke is literally that people would try to change crowder's mind with information he doesn't consider credible at a basic level.
Just be aware that you are the person walking up to the table trying to change jhkim's mind.
Unless those charged can't come up with some plausibly-sounding defense, or some assertion that they did in fact follow the laws, then nothing has to change jhkim's mind. His standard for agreeing with you is not preponderance of whether there's something stinks here, it's something so open and shut no defense lawyer would think worth any amount of money to front a bullshit defense - or even a simple denial - over. It would have to be something where the "defendant" said, OK, you got me. I plead guilty and hope for mercy.
Nothing wrong with taking that stance. Others should be aware they're walking up to Crowder's table, is all.
But jhkim's assertion that if the DOD/CIA had a shooting incident, that this would be dutifully publicized is likewise ridiculous on its face. I have no idea if that ever happened and don't expect to ever receive a "yes it did".
Well, the Electoral College has now convened and elected Biden in at over 300 votes. I realize that doesn't change people's minds about the presence of election fraud. However, a number of posters were insistent that Trump had a master plan and would successfully win his way to a second term such as through the lawsuits. That seems far less likely now.Congrats. My last message:
Following up from Reply #1901 (https://www.therpgsite.com/the-rpgpundit-s-own-forum/2020-election-commentary/msg1156302/#msg1156302), where EOTB compared me to Crowder:
----snipppp----But jhkim's assertion that if the DOD/CIA had a shooting incident, that this would be dutifully publicized is likewise ridiculous on its face. I have no idea if that ever happened and don't expect to ever receive a "yes it did".
OK, fair enough. My argument there was overstated. It's not a given - so I could see that it might be covered up. And yet, it was stated that the raid was for the purpose of exposing the election fraud, and that it was successful. I would think that with Trump still as commander-in-chief, he would have access to the revealed material and would want to publicize that proof. I realize that not all military decisions make sense, but it seems like a major unexplained point.
The point being, I'm doubtful about McInerny's testimony on this point. You claim that you have no idea if it happened, which suggests to me that you doubt his testimony as well. I don't get it. If you doubt his testimony too, why is it stubborn intransigence for me to doubt his testimony?
https://swp59.wordpress.com/2020/12/09/cdc-plans-covid-gulag-an-unspecified-number-of-americans-will-be-classified-as-high-risk-for-covid-19-in-2021-and-sent-willing-or-unwilling-to-internment-camps-until-such-time-as-the-government/See? You won.
The person having the greatest number of votes for President, shall be the President, if such number be a majority of the whole number of Electors appointed; and if no person have such majority, then from the persons having the highest numbers not exceeding three on the list of those voted for as President, the House of Representatives shall choose immediately, by ballot, the President. But in choosing the President, the votes shall be taken by states, the representation from each state having one vote; a quorum for this purpose shall consist of a member or members from two-thirds of the states, and a majority of all the states shall be necessary to a choice. [And if the House of Representatives shall not choose a President whenever the right of choice shall devolve upon them, before the fourth day of March next following, then the Vice-President shall act as President, as in case of the death or other constitutional disability of the President.–]https://constitution.congress.gov/constitution/amendment-12/
https://swp59.wordpress.com/2020/12/09/cdc-plans-covid-gulag-an-unspecified-number-of-americans-will-be-classified-as-high-risk-for-covid-19-in-2021-and-sent-willing-or-unwilling-to-internment-camps-until-such-time-as-the-government/
GOTCHA!
https://swp59.wordpress.com/2020/12/09/cdc-plans-covid-gulag-an-unspecified-number-of-americans-will-be-classified-as-high-risk-for-covid-19-in-2021-and-sent-willing-or-unwilling-to-internment-camps-until-such-time-as-the-government/
A WordPress blog written by a woman who, the day after writing this ridiculous post, urged her readers to check out The Protocols of the Learned Elders of Zion. Are you serious? Are you a diagnosed schizophrenic? Serious question, I'm not even taking the piss. Because your posts are really... something.
Also bookmarking the garbage about Gulags so I can laugh at it again later.
WHY - OH WHY - HAVE I GIVEN UP???
(spoilers: i haven't.)
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Social Media (SM) is now censoring ANY discussion of the kind, like we are having in this thread! The Mainstream Media (MSM) are now the only ones with a VOICE! Even those here wish to SILENCE DISSENT! Will it work? WILL I BE silenced? Here is some interesting ON-TOPIC finds from today:
https://twitter.com/LLinWood/status/1338214339447296003
The MSM will continue with their narrative, they will tell you that today all of the states sent electors for Joe Biden and its all over. This is why the SM changed their terms of service, they don’t want anyone interfering with their narrative. Remember their are competing slates of electors that are being sent in many contested states.
Read the whole thread:
https://twitter.com/TheKBTweets/status/1337777807565393924
NV PA & GA are sending Congress a “dueling slate of Electors. Today, Trump electors, from the state of Michigan, were denied entry to the Michigan State Capitol after Governor Whitmer and other officials sent 200+ troops to guard the building. The [DS] players are panicking, they are sending messages:
https://twitter.com/HillaryClinton/status/1338548429753081868
The CLOCK behind Clinton reads 12:10...
The CONSTITUTION, 12 AMENDMENT - LINE 10:QuoteThe person having the greatest number of votes for President, shall be the President, if such number be a majority of the whole number of Electors appointed; and if no person have such majority, then from the persons having the highest numbers not exceeding three on the list of those voted for as President, the House of Representatives shall choose immediately, by ballot, the President. But in choosing the President, the votes shall be taken by states, the representation from each state having one vote; a quorum for this purpose shall consist of a member or members from two-thirds of the states, and a majority of all the states shall be necessary to a choice. [And if the House of Representatives shall not choose a President whenever the right of choice shall devolve upon them, before the fourth day of March next following, then the Vice-President shall act as President, as in case of the death or other constitutional disability of the President.–]https://constitution.congress.gov/constitution/amendment-12/
BUT,WHY are they panicking? The Dominion systems forensenic audit report was released.
https://twitter.com/Wizard_Predicts/status/1338495676322353153
https://twitter.com/IvanPentchoukov/status/1338505355463188482
Here is the report: https://www.depernolaw.com/uploads/2/7/0/2/27029178/antrim_michigan_forensics_report_[121320]_v2_[redacted].pdf
Also: https://www.theepochtimes.com/dominion-voting-systems-uses-firm-that-was-hacked_3617507.html
A company that provides voting systems in 28 states uses an Internet technology firm that was hacked.
Dominion Voting Systems uses SolarWinds software, a SolarWinds does not list Dominion on its partial customer listing but says its products and services are used by more than 300,000 customers around the world, including all five branches of the U.S. military and more than 425 of the U.S. Fortune 500. The situation with SolarWinds software enabled hackers to gain access to the U.S. Commerce Department and, reportedly, the Treasury Department. SolarWinds Orion products are currently being exploited by malicious actors, the Department of Homeland Security’s Cybersecurity & Infrastructure Agency (CISA) said. The tactic lets an attacker gain access to network traffic management systems. The only known mitigation measure currently available is to disconnect affected devices, according to the agency.
Where did I first hear about this? The MAN who is NO LONGER SILENCED: https://twitter.com/GenFlynn/status/1338457125270523904
The MSM is going to try to connect this to Russia, Crowdstrike is commenting on the breach: RUSSIA 2.0
https://twitter.com/HisBlakeness/status/1338183513330360326
I agree with MY MONKEY! As Jeff puts it: DANCE DANCE! https://twitter.com/CodeMonkeyZ/status/1338481197693825025
Is Trump playing the Trump card, he allowed the enemy to walk through the door, actually the entire swamp walked through the door, everyone went all in, Trump is now going to be calling it, those who knowingly went all in on election fraud are done for. Newly appointed special counsel John Durham is expanding his team as he continues his investigation into the origins of the Trump-Russia investigation and the conduct of law enforcement and intelligence officials involved in it. Durham , has expanded his investigative team and is adding new prosecutors! https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/john-durham-adds-prosecutors-special-counsel
Oh, by the way, What are YOU gonna do when GOD TURNS OUT THE LIGHTS?? https://dailybuzzlive.com/alert-nasa-confirms-earth-will-go-dark-6-days-december/
fnord.
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/11/05/us/house-democrats-election-losses.htmlQuoteBut by Thursday, one of the incumbents Democrats had spent heavily to defend, Representative Debbie Mucarsel-Powell, who was defeated Tuesday night as President Trump won a resounding victory in her Miami-area district, broke into tears as she spoke out to her soon-to-be former colleagues about internal divides in the party.
I was unable to find the part where some Democrat fears that her house will be bombed if she doesn't go along with other Democrats. Because you're stupid and dishonest, I will again provide the link about that happening to a Republican:QuoteWhen The New York Times asked Kim Ward, the Republican leader in the Pennsylvania Senate, whether she would have signed a letter declaring there was fraud in the state’s election, she replied, “If I would say to you, ‘I don’t want to do it,’” referring to signing the letter, “I’d get my house bombed tonight.”https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2020/12/republican-party-abandoning-democracy/617359/
Ah, more gotchas!
Yes, because it's usually Trump supporters bombing people's houses (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9027071/Moment-man-throws-explosive-Trump-supporters-Michigan-home.html). Therefore a Republican Senator's unfounded fears that a Trump supporter would bomb her house* is a valid clapback to bring into this discussion.
*something that has never actually happened and the only alleged Trump supporter to ever be involved in a mail bombing scheme sent them only to Democrats, one CIA guy and CNN, and the devices didn't even have a trigger mechanism, so they never exploded. So there's zero precedent, as far as I know, to believe a Republican senator would be targeted by Trump supporters.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/October_2018_United_States_mail_bombing_attemptsQuoteAll sixteen confirmed bombs sent were improvised explosive devices,[11] though none had a trigger mechanism.[12] None of the devices exploded outside a controlled setting.[13]
Rempel’s fire fiasco was brought into question Monday by crop scientist Dr. Sarah Taber on Twitter. In a thread, Taber wrote “This dude literally violated rule #1 in AgFax's handy 12-step guide in 'how to not light your combine on fire' but he just knows in his heart it was antifa […] sure thing, pal.”
So we’re both citing a source oriented to the left (NYT seems to be the original source).
As mentioned the divisions have been noted in foreign papers as well (and they tend to know which way the sources lean). Anyway, none of what you say actually goes counter to the notion that there is a pretty deep division on the left.
It was especially surprising considering that the Democrats already had the (apparently) most popular Presidential candidate in USian history ready to go.If only they would've dropped Biden onto the ticket from the onset he would've won on a landslide there and then, and this entire thread would be moot. The man would've been so charismatic and effective, he would've gotten his two terms and the public would be clamoring to expand presidential term limits. But $Hillary fucked up, so we got Trump instead.
And he's right, he would have beat Hillary in the primaries I think.
Same way he beat her in 2008? And beat Bernie too? Also, I'm sure that $Hillary and the DNC wouldn't have cheated against him, the same way they did Bernie, to ensure she got the nomination, because it was "Her Time!". #ImWithHer
My impression coming in is that Democrats more often are found guilty of fraudulent votes, while Republicans are more often guilty of illegal vote suppression.
However, I have been underwhelmed by the evidence presented here.
GOTCHA!
https://swp59.wordpress.com/2020/12/09/cdc-plans-covid-gulag-an-unspecified-number-of-americans-will-be-classified-as-high-risk-for-covid-19-in-2021-and-sent-willing-or-unwilling-to-internment-camps-until-such-time-as-the-government/
A WordPress blog written by a woman who, the day after writing this ridiculous post, urged her readers to check out The Protocols of the Learned Elders of Zion. Are you serious? Are you a diagnosed schizophrenic? Serious question, I'm not even taking the piss. Because your posts are really... something.
Also bookmarking the garbage about Gulags so I can laugh at it again later.
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So the Electoral College voted today. The military coup looks like the last feasible path for Donald Trump to remain in power.
Congratulations again to President-elect Biden and Vice-President-elect Harris!
Three words, dating back to 2016, and before that 2000...You could always try losing with grace and trying to make the best of a (presumably) bad situation, but I'd never expect to see that idea embraced here.
"Not my president."
Get ready to enjoy the suck as your senile messiah and his round-heeled helper piledrive the economy. :)
I've been on the Kraken at Sea World. From what I recall, it was too much time waiting for a short ride that was ultimately forgettable. Sounds like we're talking about the same Kraken here.So the Electoral College voted today. The military coup looks like the last feasible path for Donald Trump to remain in power.
Congratulations again to President-elect Biden and Vice-President-elect Harris!
but but....fraud...kraken...and such.
Three words, dating back to 2016, and before that 2000...
"Not my president."
Get ready to enjoy the suck as your senile messiah and his round-heeled helper piledrive the economy. :)
https://www.depernolaw.com/uploads/2/7/0/2/27029178/antrim_michigan_forensics_report_[121320]_v2_[redacted].pdf
And while the children scream into the void, it seems the Antrim County (Michigan) audit dropped.Looks like a 404 error to me. So, a lot of nothing. Again.
https://www.depernolaw.com/uploads/2/7/0/2/27029178/antrim_michigan_forensics_report_[121320]_v2_[redacted].pdf
Goodness me. That looks bad.
So we’re both citing a source oriented to the left (NYT seems to be the original source).
NYT, that publishes Bret Stephens, Ross Douthat and David Brooks? The one that trashed Hillary Clinton endlessly? LOL.
Greetings!Remember kids, when everyone seems to be to the Left of your viewpoint, it's quite possibly a sign you're a Right-wing extremist.
The New York Times is a totally Leftist newspaper. They aren't an actual legitimate media company, seeking to embrace genuine journalism. They are nothing more than a propaganda arm of the Marxist-Globalist, Democrat party, like virtually all of the MSM.
Semper Fidelis,
SHARK
And while the children scream into the void, it seems the Antrim County (Michigan) audit dropped.
https://www.depernolaw.com/uploads/2/7/0/2/27029178/antrim_michigan_forensics_report_[121320]_v2_[redacted].pdf
Goodness me. That looks bad.
Greetings!Remember kids, when everyone seems to be to the Left of your viewpoint, it's quite possibly a sign you're a Right-wing extremist.
The New York Times is a totally Leftist newspaper. They aren't an actual legitimate media company, seeking to embrace genuine journalism. They are nothing more than a propaganda arm of the Marxist-Globalist, Democrat party, like virtually all of the MSM.
Semper Fidelis,
SHARK
GOTCHA!
https://swp59.wordpress.com/2020/12/09/cdc-plans-covid-gulag-an-unspecified-number-of-americans-will-be-classified-as-high-risk-for-covid-19-in-2021-and-sent-willing-or-unwilling-to-internment-camps-until-such-time-as-the-government/
A WordPress blog written by a woman who, the day after writing this ridiculous post, urged her readers to check out The Protocols of the Learned Elders of Zion. Are you serious? Are you a diagnosed schizophrenic? Serious question, I'm not even taking the piss. Because your posts are really... something.
Also bookmarking the garbage about Gulags so I can laugh at it again later.
(https://gifimage.net/wp-content/uploads/2017/07/dancing-monkey-gif-1.gif)
And while the children scream into the void, it seems the Antrim County (Michigan) audit dropped.Looks like a 404 error to me. So, a lot of nothing. Again.
https://www.depernolaw.com/uploads/2/7/0/2/27029178/antrim_michigan_forensics_report_[121320]_v2_[redacted].pdf
Goodness me. That looks bad.
The link is bad, because the board software is parsing the square brackets in the URL incorrectly. But the URL is just fine. Cut & paste the actual text.And while the children scream into the void, it seems the Antrim County (Michigan) audit dropped.
https://www.depernolaw.com/uploads/2/7/0/2/27029178/antrim_michigan_forensics_report_[121320]_v2_[redacted].pdf
Goodness me. That looks bad.
I'll say! Somebody forgot to pay their hosting fees!
https://www.depernolaw.com/uploads/2/7/0/2/27029178/antrim_michigan_forensics_report_[121320]_v2_[redacted].pdf
Lots of unusual stuff dripping this week.
_v2_[redacted].pdf]Here is your link, functioning properly. (https://www.depernolaw.com/uploads/2/7/0/2/27029178/antrim_michigan_forensics_report_[121320)
_v2_[redacted].pdf]Here is your link, functioning properly. (https://www.depernolaw.com/uploads/2/7/0/2/27029178/antrim_michigan_forensics_report_[121320)
Not for me it isn't... same 404 error.
Make sure to bag it before insertion unless you want to be dripping afterward too.Lots of unusual stuff dripping this week.
Insert lewd joke here.
Yup couldn't get it to work. Ah well.That's because the board software hides the markup codes it auto-inserts, so there's no way to manually go in and edit it. I'm sure there's a way to turn that off somewhere, but in the meantime, cut & paste:
https://www.depernolaw.com/uploads/2/7/0/2/27029178/antrim_michigan_forensics_report_[121320]_v2_[redacted].pdf
No Court, not one single Court, has found the Dominion claims to be legitimate.
And while the children scream into the void, it seems the Antrim County (Michigan) audit dropped.Quotehttps://www.depernolaw.com/uploads/2/7/0/2/27029178/antrim_michigan_forensics_report_[121320]_v2_[redacted].pdf
Goodness me. That looks bad.
EDIT: Evidently Deperno Law missed the memo that BBS software hates brackets in links. Copy and paste the link, don't try to click on it.
This is expert testimony from one witness - Russell James Ramsland.One witness, with a political science degree and an MBA, talking about computer security issues. He's not qualified.
No Court, not one single Court, has found the Dominion claims to be legitimate.
No Court, not one single Court, has investigated the claims, or even has the expertise necessary to investigate the machines, but they haven't called a tech expert to investigate them either.
It's almost like the courts don't want to look at the evidence.
No Court, not one single Court, has found the Dominion claims to be legitimate.
No Court, not one single Court, has investigated the claims, or even has the expertise necessary to investigate the machines, but they haven't called a tech expert to investigate them either.
It's almost like the courts don't want to look at the evidence.
Greetings!Remember kids, when everyone seems to be to the Left of your viewpoint, it's quite possibly a sign you're a Right-wing extremist.
The New York Times is a totally Leftist newspaper. They aren't an actual legitimate media company, seeking to embrace genuine journalism. They are nothing more than a propaganda arm of the Marxist-Globalist, Democrat party, like virtually all of the MSM.
Semper Fidelis,
SHARK
No Court, not one single Court, has found the Dominion claims to be legitimate.
We're well past "This guy says it's an issue, and wrote a report on it being an issue, so it must be an issue". We've had over 50 Court cases with lots and lots and lots of opportunities to present it to an objective decisionmaker in accordance with our state and federal laws.
The Report appears to depend on false and misleading data and assumptions. (https://www.record-eagle.com/news/local_news/state-officials-texas-firms-report-relies-on-false-claims-in-antrim-county-election-lawsuit/article_28b45918-3e2c-11eb-a281-8faf2b0daa1d.html)
No Court, not one single Court, has investigated the claims, or even has the expertise necessary to investigate the machines, but they haven't called a tech expert to investigate them either.
It's almost like the courts don't want to look at the evidence.
Exactly this. You can't find facts or verify claims if you refuse to investigate at all.
No Court, not one single Court, has found the Dominion claims to be legitimate.
No Court, not one single Court, has investigated the claims, or even has the expertise necessary to investigate the machines, but they haven't called a tech expert to investigate them either.
It's almost like the courts don't want to look at the evidence.
It would be very hard for say, financial fraud, to be asserted in court if no one but the suspect had access to the books.
It would be very hard for say, financial fraud, to be asserted in court if no one but the suspect had access to the books.
Anyone who needs a laugh, check out the oblivious Trump supporting losers on social media who are wondering why they lost money they bet on Trump winning the election. Betfair has settled the bets. Trump didn't win. These poeple's denial is both sad and hilarious. I feel for the family members, especially kids, that will be affected by such fiscal irresponsibility. But not for the people who lost everything betting on a race they had limited information on. The funniest part? Betfair took over 600 million dollars worth of bets for Trump AFTER Nov. 3rd. Yeah, you read that right. These people are morons.
Be that as it may, it still takes more than suspicion to get that ball rolling, in any US court. Quite simply, Team Trump has repeatedly failed to meet even the minimal evidentiary standard to successfully BEGIN a case, let alone successfully argue one. This is not the fault of some vast, bipartisan conspiracy. This is because Team Trump has repeatedly admitted in court that they have no direct evidence of fraud to present to the court. Sure, they crow about it in the media. But before a judge, not so much. To believe the Trump Camp's empty bluster at this point is to be the most laughable kind of rube.
It would be very hard for say, financial fraud, to be asserted in court if no one but the suspect had access to the books.
What legal route remains for Trump to be sworn in as President at this point?
Be that as it may, it still takes more than suspicion to get that ball rolling, in any US court. Quite simply, Team Trump has repeatedly failed to meet even the minimal evidentiary standard to successfully BEGIN a case, let alone successfully argue one. This is not the fault of some vast, bipartisan conspiracy. This is because Team Trump has repeatedly admitted in court that they have no direct evidence of fraud to present to the court. Sure, they crow about it in the media. But before a judge, not so much. To believe the Trump Camp's empty bluster at this point is to be the most laughable kind of rube.
Anyone who needs a laugh, check out the oblivious Trump supporting losers on social media who are wondering why they lost money they bet on Trump winning the election. Betfair has settled the bets. Trump didn't win. These poeple's denial is both sad and hilarious. I feel for the family members, especially kids, that will be affected by such fiscal irresponsibility. But not for the people who lost everything betting on a race they had limited information on. The funniest part? Betfair took over 600 million dollars worth of bets for Trump AFTER Nov. 3rd. Yeah, you read that right. These people are morons.
How much did you win?
I am guessing ONE BILLION DOLLARS?
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Be that as it may, it still takes more than suspicion to get that ball rolling, in any US court. Quite simply, Team Trump has repeatedly failed to meet even the minimal evidentiary standard to successfully BEGIN a case, let alone successfully argue one. This is not the fault of some vast, bipartisan conspiracy. This is because Team Trump has repeatedly admitted in court that they have no direct evidence of fraud to present to the court. Sure, they crow about it in the media. But before a judge, not so much. To believe the Trump Camp's empty bluster at this point is to be the most laughable kind of rube.
Just out of curiosity, what is the minimum evidentiary standard to get the ball rolling for, say, a search warrant...or does it depend on the politics of the situation?
...asking for a friend...
Anyone who needs a laugh, check out the oblivious Trump supporting losers on social media who are wondering why they lost money they bet on Trump winning the election. Betfair has settled the bets. Trump didn't win. These poeple's denial is both sad and hilarious. I feel for the family members, especially kids, that will be affected by such fiscal irresponsibility. But not for the people who lost everything betting on a race they had limited information on. The funniest part? Betfair took over 600 million dollars worth of bets for Trump AFTER Nov. 3rd. Yeah, you read that right. These people are morons.
Anyone who needs a laugh, check out the oblivious Trump supporting losers on social media who are wondering why they lost money they bet on Trump winning the election. Betfair has settled the bets. Trump didn't win. These poeple's denial is both sad and hilarious. I feel for the family members, especially kids, that will be affected by such fiscal irresponsibility. But not for the people who lost everything betting on a race they had limited information on. The funniest part? Betfair took over 600 million dollars worth of bets for Trump AFTER Nov. 3rd. Yeah, you read that right. These people are morons.
Evidently higher than Team Trump can reach. Beyond that, you'd have to ask a lawyer. You don't need a law degree to see that a bipartisan judicial system has found nothing of substance in Trump's claims.
Evidently higher than Team Trump can reach. Beyond that, you'd have to ask a lawyer. You don't need a law degree to see that a bipartisan judicial system has found nothing of substance in Trump's claims.
As you do not have a law degree you can easily explain how the judge can find nothing of substance to Trumps claim if they refuse to hear the substance of the claim?
Anyone who needs a laugh, check out the oblivious Trump supporting losers on social media who are wondering why they lost money they bet on Trump winning the election. Betfair has settled the bets. Trump didn't win. These poeple's denial is both sad and hilarious. I feel for the family members, especially kids, that will be affected by such fiscal irresponsibility. But not for the people who lost everything betting on a race they had limited information on. The funniest part? Betfair took over 600 million dollars worth of bets for Trump AFTER Nov. 3rd. Yeah, you read that right. These people are morons.
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It would be very hard for say, financial fraud, to be asserted in court if no one but the suspect had access to the books.
What legal route remains for Trump to be sworn in as President at this point?
Evidently higher than Team Trump can reach. Beyond that, you'd have to ask a lawyer. You don't need a law degree to see that a bipartisan judicial system has found nothing of substance in Trump's claims.
As you do not have a law degree you can easily explain how the judge can find nothing of substance to Trumps claim if they refuse to hear the substance of the claim?
Evidently higher than Team Trump can reach. Beyond that, you'd have to ask a lawyer. You don't need a law degree to see that a bipartisan judicial system has found nothing of substance in Trump's claims.
As you do not have a law degree you can easily explain how the judge can find nothing of substance to Trumps claim if they refuse to hear the substance of the claim?
Pretty simple, there's not even enough to convince the judge that there's a "there" there. It's really not hard to understand. And if you believe that there's a vast bipartisan conspiracy to perpetrate or at least cover up the greatest election fraud ever perpetrated in our nation's history, it doesn't matter what I, or anyone else, say, you simply won't be convinced.
I'm not here to reach people or change minds, I'm here to point and laugh.
Evidently higher than Team Trump can reach. Beyond that, you'd have to ask a lawyer. You don't need a law degree to see that a bipartisan judicial system has found nothing of substance in Trump's claims.
As you do not have a law degree you can easily explain how the judge can find nothing of substance to Trumps claim if they refuse to hear the substance of the claim?
The U.S. Supreme Court has not heard the substance of the Texas Attorney General's lawsuit. But there are a number of state courts which have heard and ruled on the substance of other lawsuits - from Trump's legal team as well as from Sidney Powell.
Evidently higher than Team Trump can reach. Beyond that, you'd have to ask a lawyer. You don't need a law degree to see that a bipartisan judicial system has found nothing of substance in Trump's claims.
As you do not have a law degree you can easily explain how the judge can find nothing of substance to Trumps claim if they refuse to hear the substance of the claim?
Pretty simple, there's not even enough to convince the judge that there's a "there" there. It's really not hard to understand. And if you believe that there's a vast bipartisan conspiracy to perpetrate or at least cover up the greatest election fraud ever perpetrated in our nation's history, it doesn't matter what I, or anyone else, say, you simply won't be convinced.
I'm not here to reach people or change minds, I'm here to point and laugh.
So you cant explain, you can just point and laugh.
Sounds about right.
Good luck getting these fools to admit to themselves that their manchild emperor has no clothes, er...claims.Evidently higher than Team Trump can reach. Beyond that, you'd have to ask a lawyer. You don't need a law degree to see that a bipartisan judicial system has found nothing of substance in Trump's claims.
As you do not have a law degree you can easily explain how the judge can find nothing of substance to Trumps claim if they refuse to hear the substance of the claim?
Pretty simple, there's not even enough to convince the judge that there's a "there" there. It's really not hard to understand. And if you believe that there's a vast bipartisan conspiracy to perpetrate or at least cover up the greatest election fraud ever perpetrated in our nation's history, it doesn't matter what I, or anyone else, say, you simply won't be convinced.
I'm not here to reach people or change minds, I'm here to point and laugh.
So you cant explain, you can just point and laugh.
Sounds about right.
I did explain. There isn't enough to convince any court to pursue the matter any further than it has been. Again, it's not difficult.
I’ve never used a dominion voting machine so this is an honest question, perhaps someone here would know it’s answer.I don't know if they were Dominion brand, but the voting machines I'm familiar with never gave a receipt. They gave me a printed ballot, and sent me to a booth where I filled in all the rights ovals on a paper ballot. When I was done, they pointed me to the machine, where I inserted the ballot. I didn't do it this year, so I forget if it beeped or displayed a message or whatever, but basically it confirmed that the ballot was received and read. There was no receipt, no way to verify that the machine read the ovals correctly, nothing. Always left me a bit uneasy.
“But the hand recount shows the paper ballots match and there was no fraud”. I’ve heard this several times. I’m trying to understand how this works in the minds of those saying it.
My assumption is the voter votes. The machine prints out a receipt or something saying you voted X for president, Y for governor, Z for city council - whatever people/offices you voted for. This way you, the voter, know your vote was received as you input it.
Do you then turn this receipt in somewhere before you leave the polling place? Or do you take it home with you?
If they order a hand recount are voters coming back in with the receipt they received at the time? Or does the machine generate a new copy of the receipt that is counted without ever being verified by the voter?
It would be very hard for say, financial fraud, to be asserted in court if no one but the suspect had access to the books.
What legal route remains for Trump to be sworn in as President at this point?
How many of the R states have already acknowledged Biden as the president-elect and might not go along with such shenanigans?It would be very hard for say, financial fraud, to be asserted in court if no one but the suspect had access to the books.
What legal route remains for Trump to be sworn in as President at this point?
Ah, I shall explain the process to you then. On January Sixth the President of the Senate (The Vice President, Mike Pence), unseals the submitted electoral reports from each state and counts them. Duplicate electoral results (such as found in EVERY contested state thus far except MI, where they were barred from entering the State Capital Building by the police (at the Governor's Orders) can be submitted and counted (as they have been). There are any number of irregularities that can apply, and precedents for all of them.
At its most absurd, the VP could simply refuse to open any Electoral counts that he knows are for Biden and refuse to count them. I think at least that that particular absurdity has never been tried, but it remains within the realm of possibility.
If the VPs count is disputed then it goes to a vote in the House.. though the process for establishing a proper dispute is... unclear (Actually the entire act governing this is famously poorly written and is in all probability unconstitutional... but never mind that)...
The issue I've seen here, however, is that this is not a 'vote of the House' in the traditional manner, but rather the House votes by State... that is EACH STATE ONLY GETS ONE VOTE. Why the House using this rule? Unclear, but the House is traditionally the People's representative, with the Senate being the more State reps, I'd guess?
While the House may have more Dems than Repubs in its current seated members (dunno... didn't look), there are more R states than D states by decent margin. 27 to 23 I believe?
So there are TWO legal paths right here, all resolved starting in January. One: The VP counts the Electors he choses and comes up with a legal total of 270 for Trump (regarding that: recall that most contested states have now submitted two sets of electors, and yes: There is precedent for this with, as I recall, Rutherford B. Hayes...).
Second: After contesting the VPs count, the States vote in the House, where the R states outnumber the D states (again: Each state gets one vote, despite being, you know, the House...).
EDIT: A link for futher reading, including many examples of times the rules simply didn't count. As I have said repeated in this thread: Nothing about this is new. Only our limited view of History makes it seem so.
https://macris.substack.com/p/if-chaos-is-a-ladder-americas-election
How many of the R states have already acknowledged Biden as the president-elect and might not go along with such shenanigans?
I’ve never used a dominion voting machine so this is an honest question, perhaps someone here would know it’s answer.
“But the hand recount shows the paper ballots match and there was no fraud”. I’ve heard this several times. I’m trying to understand how this works in the minds of those saying it.
My assumption is the voter votes. The machine prints out a receipt or something saying you voted X for president, Y for governor, Z for city council - whatever people/offices you voted for. This way you, the voter, know your vote was received as you input it.
Do you then turn this receipt in somewhere before you leave the polling place? Or do you take it home with you?
If they order a hand recount are voters coming back in with the receipt they received at the time? Or does the machine generate a new copy of the receipt that is counted without ever being verified by the voter?
So NYT is not left-leaning now. Well, I think you lost all credibility a long time ago anyway.
At its most absurd, the VP could simply refuse to open any Electoral counts that he knows are for Biden and refuse to count them. I think at least that that particular absurdity has never been tried, but it remains within the realm of possibility.
If the VPs count is disputed then it goes to a vote in the House.. though the process for establishing a proper dispute is... unclear (Actually the entire act governing this is famously poorly written and is in all probability unconstitutional... but never mind that)...
The issue I've seen here, however, is that this is not a 'vote of the House' in the traditional manner, but rather the House votes by State... that is EACH STATE ONLY GETS ONE VOTE. Why the House using this rule? Unclear, but the House is traditionally the People's representative, with the Senate being the more State reps, I'd guess?
Hand recounts are conducted with the paper ballots. They are confirming that the paper ballots add up the way that the scans say they did, and that the totals across different precincts were done correctly. In the case of Georgia, they're using a Ballot-Marking Device (BMD). The voter enters their choices on a machine. The machine prints out a ballot, the voter checks it. The voter then puts the paper in the scanner, and it is only the scanned paper ballot that is counted. The scanned ballot is left there for later recount.
Here's an explanatory video for Georgia:
https://www.wabe.org/georgia-voting-machines/
If I recall correctly at any point in this process someone (the House, I think?) can simply decide to elect Me for President, though I didn't run, was not on any ballot, and would inagurate my reign with bloodshed on a nigh unimaginable scale, seeing how much I hate humanity... and it would be completely legal....
The 12th Amendment has the House choosing the President and the Senate choosing the Vice-President, if nobody gets a majority of electoral votes in each case. But they can only choose among the top three for President and the top two for Vice-President, so you'd presumably need at least one electoral vote before you could implement your scheme.
The 12th Amendment has the House choosing the President and the Senate choosing the Vice-President, if nobody gets a majority of electoral votes in each case. But they can only choose among the top three for President and the top two for Vice-President, so you'd presumably need at least one electoral vote before you could implement your scheme.
Ah well, I'll have to save the bloodshed for another day.
I can wait.
Anyone who needs a laugh, check out the oblivious Trump supporting losers on social media who are wondering why they lost money they bet on Trump winning the election. Betfair has settled the bets. Trump didn't win. These poeple's denial is both sad and hilarious. I feel for the family members, especially kids, that will be affected by such fiscal irresponsibility. But not for the people who lost everything betting on a race they had limited information on. The funniest part? Betfair took over 600 million dollars worth of bets for Trump AFTER Nov. 3rd. Yeah, you read that right. These people are morons.
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Poor jeffy hasn't realized that more and more people are seeing that he's the monkey. What a sad little inbred bastard.
The electric voting seems ripe for fraud to me. Any digital voting that is secret is. I think we need to either have physical ballots only and secret voting, or non-secret digital voting. But not digital voting where the vote is akin to placing an order at a McDonald’s kiosk.
It *is* crazy to think that after illegally spying on a campaign, the DOJ looking the other way for 4 years while never bring charges against any real players, the GOP senate never allowing recess appointments to its own party member/sitting president, China’s foreign currency reserves depending on reversal of trade policies, Hunter’s domestic currency reserves depending on a reversal of trade policies, the Bush GOP declaring political war on its own party president over lost profits from labor cost arbitrage, Schumer threatening Trump that the intel community will get you if you don’t play their tune, the open fact we use the CIA to manipulate elections in other countries to tilt the scale towards the favored candidate, that the Dems were already rigging their own primaries for two election cycles, and the prize for winning being picking winners in a $25 trillion economy, that people think the oppositions would do and could do something like this
It’s almost as crazy as thinking surveillance tools that are illegal to use domestically would be so used, even after officials go before Congress and swear that’s just not true because they have a system in place to prevent that very thing
I am surprised neither side has commented on how once Biden went into office how suddenly and completely the Thugtifa and BLM protests stopped overnight. I mean I am sure it is a complete and utter coincidence almost the day after Biden won. Same thing in my neck of the woods. Or the yellow leftist media is no longer reporting on them since it's not part of the narrative they want to push.Not totally. However, it does seem that BLM/Antifa will be told to 'get back on the shelf' as their demands to meet with Bidenharris have been ignored.
It does not look really good for the legitimacy of both groups. So your cause is important as long as Trump was in the office. Now that chances are good he won't be reelected. Who cares about Floyd or social inequality at least Trump is out of office am I right.
I am surprised neither side has commented on how once Biden went into office how suddenly and completely the Thugtifa and BLM protests stopped overnight. I mean I am sure it is a complete and utter coincidence almost the day after Biden won. Same thing in my neck of the woods. Or the yellow leftist media is no longer reporting on them since it's not part of the narrative they want to push.Gotta admit, it has been unusually quiet on that front. Not sure if no protests are happening, or if it's just not getting aggressively reported on like it was in the summer. In central Florida, we haven't had any big protests in several months (stopped well before the election).
It does not look really good for the legitimacy of both groups. So your cause is important as long as Trump was in the office. Now that chances are good he won't be reelected. Who cares about Floyd or social inequality at least Trump is out of office am I right.
I am surprised neither side has commented on how once Biden went into office how suddenly and completely the Thugtifa and BLM protests stopped overnight. I mean I am sure it is a complete and utter coincidence almost the day after Biden won. Same thing in my neck of the woods. Or the yellow leftist media is no longer reporting on them since it's not part of the narrative they want to push.
It does not look really good for the legitimacy of both groups. So your cause is important as long as Trump was in the office. Now that chances are good he won't be reelected. Who cares about Floyd or social inequality at least Trump is out of office am I right.
The little I read about that really focused in on the violence between the two groups and spent very little time talking about what each group was doing there before the stabbing and shooting. I guess the press must figure everyone is already set on the background narrative they want, so they only go with the action bits now. Quite different than this spring & summer where (varying versions) of the George Floyd story were retold in every article about a protest.I am surprised neither side has commented on how once Biden went into office how suddenly and completely the Thugtifa and BLM protests stopped overnight. I mean I am sure it is a complete and utter coincidence almost the day after Biden won. Same thing in my neck of the woods. Or the yellow leftist media is no longer reporting on them since it's not part of the narrative they want to push.
It does not look really good for the legitimacy of both groups. So your cause is important as long as Trump was in the office. Now that chances are good he won't be reelected. Who cares about Floyd or social inequality at least Trump is out of office am I right.
Just last weekend BLM clashed with Proud Boys in DC and elsewhere, with people getting stabbed and shot.
So NYT is not left-leaning now. Well, I think you lost all credibility a long time ago anyway.
Couldn't back up your position, huh?
Must be a slow week for the HappyDaze grift.So NYT is not left-leaning now. Well, I think you lost all credibility a long time ago anyway.
Couldn't back up your position, huh?
You can just google it, it’s known by virtually everyone.
But I’m cautious about debating people who seem to have psychological meltdowns online.
The electric voting seems ripe for fraud to me. Any digital voting that is secret is. I think we need to either have physical ballots only and secret voting, or non-secret digital voting. But not digital voting where the vote is akin to placing an order at a McDonald’s kiosk.
It *is* crazy to think (...) that the Dems were already rigging their own primaries for two election cycles, and the prize for winning being picking winners in a $25 trillion economy, that people think the oppositions would do and could do something like this
Has Trump said anything about the cyberattack we just suffered? Is he even pretending to care about his office or the American public anymore?
Has Trump said anything about the cyberattack we just suffered? Is he even pretending to care about his office or the American public anymore?Why would he start now? He's far too busy conning the rubes to get some more money.
If the digital system required a manual determination of voter intent then its a pointless, expensive system with new vulnerabilities not present if limited to only reviewing physical objects that are hard to manipulate.
Here is what a Dominion adjudication process looks like. The scan of the physical ballot can be adjusted as needed by the adjudicator. The scan that is saved is the manipulated scan.
No, I think we need to keep the original voting processes we used before electronic voting machines began being used.
https://rumble.com/vbrtxz-dominion-ballot-change-walkthrough.html
The edit logs of what would have been done in this process demonstrated in the video, is what the audits say are missing from the machines that shouldn't be missing. The physical ballots were in many cases sent for shredding right after the election was over.
Must be a slow week for the HappyDaze grift.So NYT is not left-leaning now. Well, I think you lost all credibility a long time ago anyway.
Couldn't back up your position, huh?
You can just google it, it’s known by virtually everyone.
But I’m cautious about debating people who seem to have psychological meltdowns online.
Everything and nothing at the same time.Must be a slow week for the HappyDaze grift.So NYT is not left-leaning now. Well, I think you lost all credibility a long time ago anyway.
Couldn't back up your position, huh?
You can just google it, it’s known by virtually everyone.
But I’m cautious about debating people who seem to have psychological meltdowns online.
? What does he have to do with it?
Couldn't back up your position, huh?
You can just google it, it’s known by virtually everyone.
Has Trump said anything about the cyberattack we just suffered? Is he even pretending to care about his office or the American public anymore?Why would he start now? He's far too busy conning the rubes to get some more money.
Has Trump said anything about the cyberattack we just suffered? Is he even pretending to care about his office or the American public anymore?Why would he start now? He's far too busy conning the rubes to get some more money.
Yes, and he's not going to start criticizing Putin now.
Lots of stuff for President Biden to fix come January 20th.
Couldn't back up your position, huh?
You can just google it, it’s known by virtually everyone.
You still can't post one single link to support your position, though. Just trash talking the New York Times.
Couldn't back up your position, huh?
You can just google it, it’s known by virtually everyone.
You still can't post one single link to support your position, though. Just trash talking the New York Times.
Why would I? You already found the links if you looked up the political stance of NYT. Honestly, I wasn't going to say any of this, but you stooped to calling people names and such so here you go; you would probably do one of the following:
1. pretend it doesn't fit your definitions, moving the goalposts while claiming it's everyone else moving goalposts
2. hammer this forum with more posts, apparently to "get back" at the people here for being meanies
3. freak out when you can't handle it, and start sending me bizarre PMs like you did before
Frankly, I think you're a bit mentally unstable. I think you'd be better off taking a break from all the forums. I often do. Your party won. Celebrate.
Greetings!
Being mentally unstable and emotionally fragile seem to be characteristics strongly embedded with Leftists. Leftists are often plagued with depression, autism, bipolarism, schizophrenia, paranoia, delusions, and oppression complexes--in addition to narcissism, and a worldview that is essentially petulant and juvenile.
Semper Fidelis,
SHARK
Couldn't back up your position, huh?
You can just google it, it’s known by virtually everyone.
You still can't post one single link to support your position, though. Just trash talking the New York Times.
Why would I? You already found the links if you looked up the political stance of NYT. Honestly, I wasn't going to say any of this, but you stooped to calling people names and such so here you go; you would probably do one of the following:
1. pretend it doesn't fit your definitions, moving the goalposts while claiming it's everyone else moving goalposts
2. hammer this forum with more posts, apparently to "get back" at the people here for being meanies
3. freak out when you can't handle it, and start sending me bizarre PMs like you did before
Frankly, I think you're a bit mentally unstable. I think you'd be better off taking a break from all the forums. I often do. Your party won. Celebrate.
Greetings!
Being mentally unstable and emotionally fragile seem to be characteristics strongly embedded with Leftists. Leftists are often plagued with depression, autism, bipolarism, schizophrenia, paranoia, delusions, and oppression complexes--in addition to narcissism, and a worldview that is essentially petulant and juvenile.
Semper Fidelis,
SHARK
The Party of PEACE AND PROGRESS is at it again:
https://twitter.com/CurtisHouck/status/1339000780314062848
Holding up relief because... republicans. Riiiight. Sounds like something some of you would support: "Americans are suffering? Just let them dieeee!"
A pretty valid question: The MSM, Mitch McConnell and many others have called the election for JB and KH, If the election is a done deal, why hasn’t Kamala Harris given up her seat in the Senate? Does she know something we don't know??
There's something funny about Mitch though: https://twitter.com/CodeMonkeyZ/status/1339207261952954369
BWAHAHAHAHAH! GOTCHA BASTARD! https://www.breitbart.com/radio/2018/03/20/schweizer-mcconnells-family-fortune-dependent-chinese-governments-good-graces/
In a nutshell:
So Mitch McConnell, the Senate majority leader, his wife Elaine Chao, who’s the transportation secretary in the Trump administration, her family has deep economic and financial ties to the Chinese government itself,” said Schweizer. “They are in the shipping business, and they own something called the Foremost Group, and really, in 1993, Mitch McConnell, as a senator, travels to China with his father-in-law, James Chao, as guests of the China State Shipbuilding Corporation.”
“The China State Shipbuilding Corporation is the largest defense contractor in China,
“McConnell himself has benefited because a few years ago, James Chao gave Mitch McConnell a gift between five and twenty-five million dollars that more than quadrupled his net worth overnight,this is not just about Elaine Chao’s family getting wealthy. That wealth has now trickled into Mitch McConnell’s pocket, as well, and it’s a huge problem because if you chart the positions that Sen. McConnell has taken on China over the last twenty years, guess what? Shock of all shocks, he has become increasingly soft as it relates to China.
Changing ballots for people too stupid to vote for JB/KH IS NO LONGER to be called FRAUD. From now on it shall be called VOTER INTENT!
https://twitter.com/MichaelCoudrey/status/1338977383202783232
A little known thing about what's going on right now:
The Maricopa County Board of Supervisors were served these subpoenas on Tuesday afternoon, and they call for the information to be delivered to the Senate Judiciary Committee Chairman on or before 5 p.m. on December 18, 2020.
Good thing FACEBOOK is on the up-and-up... oh, wait-
https://thenationalpulse.com/breaking/zuckerberg-clawback-provision/
In a nutshellL:
The Amistad Project, an election integrity watchdog group, highlighted in its recent press conference how Mark Zuckerberg placed constraints on the nearly half-billion dollars he funneled into the 2020 elections, including the ability to rescind donations if counties didn’t meet all of his demands.
The revelation adds to growing suspicions over Zuckerberg’s meddling in the 2020 election, including leveraging nearly all of his money to exclusively boost Democrat turnout.
Amistad Director Phill Klein explained in the group’s December 16th press conference how the Center for Technology and Civic Life (CTCL), which received nearly $400 million from Zuckerberg, included stipulations in its contracts with state officials and legislatures that they could demand their millions back if their request were not adhered to:
A clawback agreement in every contract that CTCL did with Mark Zuckerberg money that says if you do not follow our plan, we’re going to take back our money. All of it.
In short, “you have to do what we say,” according to Klein.
A fellow Amistad Project lawyer noted they found “clawback provisions in the CTCL contracts that were executed with local governments, local electoral officials” that “had within them specific language that said the electoral officials must spend the money on specific things.”
“Dropboxes, satellite voting, there was a whole host of things that were stipulations in the clawback agreements. And so what we have here is a private agency giving money to a local elected official and entering into a contract requiring these local precincts and electoral officials to do specific things,” he added.
“The claw back language in the CTCL agreements represents a longterm, contingent liability for counties and municipalities who received the CTCL grants. These liabilities pose long-term audit, bonding, or pension risks to those counties who received CTCL grants,” the Amistad Project’s official report notes.
EDIT: See it here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I8a3h69wLfU
fnord.
Oh, noes! It turns out the DNC cheated Bernie again! What an incredible development! WHO COULD'VE FORSEEN THIS?!?
PS: Democrats would NEVER cheat on the general elections, though. That's just a Republican conspiracy theory, amirite? ;)
Greetings!Yes they are almost as unstable, emotionally fragile, petulant, juvenile, and crazy as the Trumpkins.
Being mentally unstable and emotionally fragile seem to be characteristics strongly embedded with Leftists. Leftists are often plagued with depression, autism, bipolarism, schizophrenia, paranoia, delusions, and oppression complexes--in addition to narcissism, and a worldview that is essentially petulant and juvenile.
Semper Fidelis,
SHARK
The problem here is your insistence on blind faith. Personally, I don't implicitly trust any of the Democratic Party, the Republican Party, Trump, or Biden. When I try to find out what any of them actually did, what I look for is evidence.It's not called blind faith for nothing. Regardless of the subject of their blindness, people with blind faith just aren't amenable to evidence based claims or rational discourse.
You still can't post one single link to support your position, though. Just trash talking the New York Times.
Why would I? You already found the links if you looked up the political stance of NYT.
Honestly,
I have a PhD, don't know about anyone else here. And you started that PM conversation.You still can't post one single link to support your position, though. Just trash talking the New York Times.
Why would I? You already found the links if you looked up the political stance of NYT.
That plenty of right wing people call anything short of Breitbart left-wing? No need for an internet search. You said that New York Times supported you based on recriminations from a losing Democratic candidate versus bomb threats within the Republican party. But you can't offer any basis for your belief that bias was responsible for the disparity. Still waiting for you to post any links so I can laugh at what you consider unbiased media.
Since you don't like "left-leaning" sources, here's one describing threats to Republicans in Georgia. Are you going to claim that the people threatening Republicans in Georgia are actually Democrats?
https://www.breitbart.com/news/georgia-elections-official-urges-trump-to-rein-in-supporters/QuoteHonestly,
LOL. This is like when Donald Trump tells a story where someone called him "sir".
But since you want to air it out, the only bizarre PM between us ever was yours where you attacked me for criticizing someone you believed had a PhD (still don't know whom you meant in a forum where almost everyone is pseudonymous); a nice combination of argument from authority and ignorance of the fallibility of actual PhDs.
Has Trump said anything about the cyberattack we just suffered? Is he even pretending to care about his office or the American public anymore?Why would he start now? He's far too busy conning the rubes to get some more money.
Oh, noes! It turns out the DNC cheated Bernie again! What an incredible development! WHO COULD'VE FORSEEN THIS?!?
PS: Democrats would NEVER cheat on the general elections, though. That's just a Republican conspiracy theory, amirite? ;)
The problem here is your insistence on blind faith. Personally, I don't implicitly trust any of the Democratic Party, the Republican Party, Trump, or Biden. When I try to find out what any of them actually did, what I look for is evidence.
In the 2020 general elections, the claims require that not just dozens to hundreds of Democrats - but also dozens of top-ranking Republicans as well as dozens of court judges all have to be in on the conspiracy. If all the evidence is as blatant and obviously true as claimed, then how else would judge after judge rule against the election lawsuits? When I sample through the various evidence claims, what I see is not the proof that it is described as.
In the 2020 general elections, the claims require that not just dozens to hundreds of Democrats - but also dozens of top-ranking Republicans as well as dozens of court judges all have to be in on the conspiracy. If all the evidence is as blatant and obviously true as claimed, then how else would judge after judge rule against the election lawsuits? When I sample through the various evidence claims, what I see is not the proof that it is described as.
And that is precisely what I believe happened. Republicans hate Trump. The man basically inserted himself into their party and took it over, and #NeverTrump has been a thing since the man got the nomination to run as the Republican candidate for president. Most that work with him do so out of expediency, since they're stuck with him either way. I have zero difficulty believing that Democrats and Republicans would work together to preserve the status quo, cuz that is precisely what has been happening for decades and how we were pushed into forever wars. Their differences are all performative, just to get elected, but neither party works for the public, only for the special interests, and Trump has been disrupting all that. The judges haven't even looked at any of the evidence, but dismissed every case on the grounds of things such as improper filing, rather than the merits of them.
If only we had whistleblowers who testified to rampant stupidity in executing this at all levels, our friends on the other side of the aisle would take it more seriously
It really sucks all we have is the accusation of a fraud so cleanly and tracelessly executed, that the mass hallucinations of thousands of people coming forward in real time as events unfolded is obviously what happened. Because the people being accused assure us it isn’t true (this is called an official fact check, or “debunk”), and it isn’t credible that an entire government can become largely corrupt - if you read through history books, “corrupt” isn't an adjective commonly modifying the noun “government”
You can tell that Trump doesn't give a crap about the cyberattack or the thousands dying of Covid each day. Good riddance to this sack of crap. I mean, is it too much to ask that even in the interregnum, you at least pretend that the job and the American people mean anything?
You can tell that Trump doesn't give a crap about the cyberattack or the thousands dying of Covid each day. Good riddance to this sack of crap. I mean, is it too much to ask that even in the interregnum, you at least pretend that the job and the American people mean anything?
You can tell that Trump doesn't give a crap about the cyberattack or the thousands dying of Covid each day. Good riddance to this sack of crap. I mean, is it too much to ask that even in the interregnum, you at least pretend that the job and the American people mean anything?
Man what? You can think that Trump is insincere about his intentions, but you can't seriously say that he hasn't been out there making speeches about how the American people mean anything. That's how the dude got frikkin elected in 2016. He went to the rust belt and talked like an average Joe to average Joes.
Meanwhile we're in for less than four years of Status Quo Joe giving us boilerplate politics until he slips in the shower and Kamilia takes over. Can't wait to see what Lady Joker does with the position. I'm stocking up on canned beans and shotgun ammo.
You can tell that Trump doesn't give a crap about the cyberattack or the thousands dying of Covid each day. Good riddance to this sack of crap. I mean, is it too much to ask that even in the interregnum, you at least pretend that the job and the American people mean anything?
How many people die every day in a country of 330 million?
You can tell that Trump doesn't give a crap about the cyberattack or the thousands dying of Covid each day. Good riddance to this sack of crap. I mean, is it too much to ask that even in the interregnum, you at least pretend that the job and the American people mean anything?
Man what? You can think that Trump is insincere about his intentions, but you can't seriously say that he hasn't been out there making speeches about how the American people mean anything. That's how the dude got frikkin elected in 2016. He went to the rust belt and talked like an average Joe to average Joes.
Meanwhile we're in for less than four years of Status Quo Joe giving us boilerplate politics until he slips in the shower and Kamilia takes over. Can't wait to see what Lady Joker does with the position. I'm stocking up on canned beans and shotgun ammo.
Yes, he's been out there making speeches and collecting money.
How many people die every day in a country of 330 million?In 2018 is was about 6500 per day. In 2020 in the United States of America COVID19 is the third leading cause of death.
You can tell that Trump doesn't give a crap about the cyberattack or the thousands dying of Covid each day. Good riddance to this sack of crap. I mean, is it too much to ask that even in the interregnum, you at least pretend that the job and the American people mean anything?
Man what? You can think that Trump is insincere about his intentions, but you can't seriously say that he hasn't been out there making speeches about how the American people mean anything. That's how the dude got frikkin elected in 2016. He went to the rust belt and talked like an average Joe to average Joes.
Meanwhile we're in for less than four years of Status Quo Joe giving us boilerplate politics until he slips in the shower and Kamilia takes over. Can't wait to see what Lady Joker does with the position. I'm stocking up on canned beans and shotgun ammo.
Yes, he's been out there making speeches and collecting money.
Like every politician ever.
We have a vaccine now when every talking head and retard assured us it'd be two years before it was ready.
Go home, Sockpuppet. You're drunk.
We have a vaccine now when every talking head and retard assured us it'd be two years before it was ready.
Go home, Sockpuppet. You're drunk.
We "have" a vaccine, yes, but it will still be a while before it gets rolled out.
Saying "We have a vaccine!" is like saying "We put out the fire", when the fire is still raging, the water won't be available widely for months, and it will take a year or more to fully extinguish the fire, which would have been contained long ago, and many lives saved, if we had competent leadership.
Instead, we have a 9/11 every day, because Republicucks fell for the lies of a literal pantsshitting moron.
Nice strawman, but we now know that many of these deaths would have been preventable if not for the ineptitude and callousness of the current administration, headed by Pinnochiorange.
Besides, if Covid deaths don't matter because "lots of people die every day", then I guess the right can just shut the fuck up about abortion. Or people killed by illegal aliens.
You can tell that Trump doesn't give a crap about the cyberattack or the thousands dying of Covid each day. Good riddance to this sack of crap. I mean, is it too much to ask that even in the interregnum, you at least pretend that the job and the American people mean anything?
Man what? You can think that Trump is insincere about his intentions, but you can't seriously say that he hasn't been out there making speeches about how the American people mean anything. That's how the dude got frikkin elected in 2016. He went to the rust belt and talked like an average Joe to average Joes.
Meanwhile we're in for less than four years of Status Quo Joe giving us boilerplate politics until he slips in the shower and Kamilia takes over. Can't wait to see what Lady Joker does with the position. I'm stocking up on canned beans and shotgun ammo.
Yes, he's been out there making speeches and collecting money.
Like every politician ever.
"Everyone does it" is an intellectually lazy fallback people use when they can't defend their position.
Nice strawman, but we now know that many of these deaths would have been preventable if not for the ineptitude and callousness of the current administration, headed by Pinnochiorange.
Besides, if Covid deaths don't matter because "lots of people die every day", then I guess the right can just shut the fuck up about abortion. Or people killed by illegal aliens.
How are you going to "prevent" death?
You can tell that Trump doesn't give a crap about the cyberattack or the thousands dying of Covid each day. Good riddance to this sack of crap. I mean, is it too much to ask that even in the interregnum, you at least pretend that the job and the American people mean anything?
Man what? You can think that Trump is insincere about his intentions, but you can't seriously say that he hasn't been out there making speeches about how the American people mean anything. That's how the dude got frikkin elected in 2016. He went to the rust belt and talked like an average Joe to average Joes.
Meanwhile we're in for less than four years of Status Quo Joe giving us boilerplate politics until he slips in the shower and Kamilia takes over. Can't wait to see what Lady Joker does with the position. I'm stocking up on canned beans and shotgun ammo.
Yes, he's been out there making speeches and collecting money.
Like every politician ever.
"Everyone does it" is an intellectually lazy fallback people use when they can't defend their position.
I questioned your assertation that Trump "doesn't even pretend that the job and the american people mean anything" and instead of backing up your claim or conceeding, you moved the goalpost.
So yeah. Take your accustation of intellectual laziness and stuff it.
--snipp--You're so full of shit, it's UNBELIEVABLE! Go read my post - the part about CISA. That's called ACTION, since that's what that agency DOES.
But he doesn't act like he cares at all. Talking big, while doing nothing, is still doing nothing. And he has always made it clear that he could care less about blue states. You know, the half of the country he was hired (and failed) to govern.
I didn't move any goalposts.
You can tell that Trump doesn't give a crap about the cyberattack or the thousands dying of Covid each day. Good riddance to this sack of crap. I mean, is it too much to ask that even in the interregnum, you at least pretend that the job and the American people mean anything?
Man what? You can think that Trump is insincere about his intentions, but you can't seriously say that he hasn't been out there making speeches about how the American people mean anything. That's how the dude got frikkin elected in 2016. He went to the rust belt and talked like an average Joe to average Joes.
Meanwhile we're in for less than four years of Status Quo Joe giving us boilerplate politics until he slips in the shower and Kamilia takes over. Can't wait to see what Lady Joker does with the position. I'm stocking up on canned beans and shotgun ammo.
Yes, he's been out there making speeches and collecting money.
Like every politician ever.
"Everyone does it" is an intellectually lazy fallback people use when they can't defend their position.
I questioned your assertation that Trump "doesn't even pretend that the job and the american people mean anything" and instead of backing up your claim or conceeding, you moved the goalpost.
So yeah. Take your accustation of intellectual laziness and stuff it.
But he doesn't act like he cares at all. Talking big, while doing nothing, is still doing nothing. And he has always made it clear that he could care less about blue states. You know, the half of the country he was hired (and failed) to govern.
I didn't move any goalposts.
You can tell that Trump doesn't give a crap about the cyberattack or the thousands dying of Covid each day. Good riddance to this sack of crap. I mean, is it too much to ask that even in the interregnum, you at least pretend that the job and the American people mean anything?
Man what? You can think that Trump is insincere about his intentions, but you can't seriously say that he hasn't been out there making speeches about how the American people mean anything. That's how the dude got frikkin elected in 2016. He went to the rust belt and talked like an average Joe to average Joes.
Meanwhile we're in for less than four years of Status Quo Joe giving us boilerplate politics until he slips in the shower and Kamilia takes over. Can't wait to see what Lady Joker does with the position. I'm stocking up on canned beans and shotgun ammo.
Yes, he's been out there making speeches and collecting money.
Like every politician ever.
"Everyone does it" is an intellectually lazy fallback people use when they can't defend their position.
I questioned your assertation that Trump "doesn't even pretend that the job and the american people mean anything" and instead of backing up your claim or conceeding, you moved the goalpost.
So yeah. Take your accustation of intellectual laziness and stuff it.
But he doesn't act like he cares at all. Talking big, while doing nothing, is still doing nothing. And he has always made it clear that he could care less about blue states. You know, the half of the country he was hired (and failed) to govern.
I didn't move any goalposts.
Do I need to link to a Trump speech? Where he acts like he cares at all?
You can argue that he talks big and does nothing, I think I'd disagree, but you're asserting that he doesn't even pretend, that he doesn't even act. And that's demonstrably false. I thought you were just engaging in hyperbole, but now after doubling down, I don't know what to think. Either you're arguing to argue, or you're deluded.
No, we don't know that. Trump's errors have largely been inconsistent messaging, but even by that standard the CDC and WHO have been worse, because they're supposed to be authoritative sources, not an orange guy known for rambling about things he doesn't know a lot about. The real failures have been among the states, especially the Fatal Five governors who forced sick patients into nursing homes.You can tell that Trump doesn't give a crap about the cyberattack or the thousands dying of Covid each day. Good riddance to this sack of crap. I mean, is it too much to ask that even in the interregnum, you at least pretend that the job and the American people mean anything?
How many people die every day in a country of 330 million?
Nice strawman, but we now know that many of these deaths would have been preventable if not for the ineptitude and callousness of the current administration, headed by Pinnochiorange.
Besides, if Covid deaths don't matter because "lots of people die every day", then I guess the right can just shut the fuck up about abortion. Or people killed by illegal aliens.
Greetings!Oh, it's worse, Shark.
You know what? The idea that President Donald J. Trump *doesn't care* is a bunch of bullshit propaganda and misinformation from cock-sucking Marxist Libtards. Only weak-minded, Leftist fucking morons believe that--and seek to spread such disinformation and blatant lies about our President! Deep down, the fucking Leftist moron knows that Americans despise them, and their rotten, evil ideology. Many of these Marxist traitor scum are also taking it in the ass from Communist China--or sticking their dick into a Chinese fortune cookie--also known as Chinese Intelligence officers.
President Donald J. Trump *LOVES* America, and LOVES Americans! TRUE Americans--not cock-sucking, Marxist traitors. Not filthy, diseased, God-hating Rats!
President Donald Trump has strengthened America's borders, tightened up laws and policies on immigration--so that this country isn't flooded with uneducated foreign immigrants that overwhelm our immigration and social systems. By the way--such policies *benefit* AMERICAN workers, and AMERICAN PEOPLE. AMERICAN CITIZENS! First, and foremost, as a national PRIORITY. That helps American jobs, and American wages. President Trump has also improved the tax code--putting more MONEY back into the wallets of working American citizens! President Donald Trump has eschewed sending our great American soldiers into endless fucking wars, and having OUR BLOOD AND TREASURE spilled dubiously for ethereal political gains--or the corporate gains of arms and technology companies. President Donald Trump has encouraged and supported LAW ENFORCEMENT and LAW AND ORDER--instead of lawless, evil rebels and terrorist groups like BLM and ANTIFA. Oh, that's right! The fucking DEMOCRATS have supported BLM and ANTIFA thugs raping, burning, and destroying American cities! Yeah, suck the truth down you fucking Marxist retards! Wipe that shit off your lips so you can swallow some more, you worthless fucking rats!
Plus, for more REEEING joy, the goddamned Democrats hate the fact that America LOVES President Donald Trump! I have gone all my life, and NEVER seen America love a President like Donald Trump--perhaps aside from President Ronald Reagan, now over 30 years ago. None though, hands down, Americans of all colours and nationalities love President Donald Trump because the American people KNOWS that President Donald Trump cares about America, and is fighting for America's benefit against the fucking SWAMP and the DEEP STATE!
Pack that in your fucking ass if you don't like it!
I know for myself--and many other Americans--President Donald Trump has earned the devotion, the respect, and the love of the American people for many reasons--perhaps first and foremost being, is that unlike a fucking lifetime of worthless, do-nothing politicians that just lie and blow smoke up everyone's asses, President Donald Trump has KEPT HIS PROMISES! AND, he has fought for more, every step of the way. Fighting to establish a better America for everyone. All the while being opposed by the fucking filthy Democrats, goddamned Marxists, and jello-filled RINO'S and other swarmy worms of the deep state bureaucracies. Every step of the way, fighting against them, and the entertainment industry, and the cock-sucking traitor lying MSM that is nothing more than a fucking propaganda arm of the Democrat party.
Fucking choke on the goddamned Marxist lies and bullshit that President Donald Trump doesn't care for America!
Geesus, Leftists are such lying, delusional fucking morons.
Semper Fidelis,
SHARK
Did Tubesock get around to responding how he was going to prevent death?
Shit man this is important, dont hold out on us now! How many Billion people do you want to die while we are waiting?
You are not ready for Immortality.
Did Tubesock get around to responding how he was going to prevent death?
Shit man this is important, dont hold out on us now! How many Billion people do you want to die while we are waiting?
Did Tubesock get around to responding how he was going to prevent death?
Shit man this is important, dont hold out on us now! How many Billion people do you want to die while we are waiting?
Some deaths are more preventable than others, which is obvious to anyone with a functioning brain, or who isn't arguing in bad faith
Did Tubesock get around to responding how he was going to prevent death?
Shit man this is important, dont hold out on us now! How many Billion people do you want to die while we are waiting?
Some deaths are more preventable than others, which is obvious to anyone with a functioning brain, or who isn't arguing in bad faith
Like, for example?
Remember that time that Governor of New York Andrew Cuomo sent all of the patients diagnosed with Chinese Wuhan Virus back to their Rest homes where they could spread it to the other vulnerable patients.Remember when governors Newsom (CA), Murphy (NJ), Whitmer (MI), and Wolf (PA) did the same?
Geesus, Leftists are such lying, delusional fucking morons.Yeah, some are. But there are also a lot of lying, delusional Trumpkins who have shown over and over that they are fucking morons. But hey, thanks for reminding me why I usually avoid this Tangency-like cesspit of ignorant rage and delusional bullshit.
Semper Fidelis,
SHARK
Geesus, Leftists are such lying, delusional fucking morons.Yeah, some are. But there are also a lot of lying, delusional Trumpkins who have shown over and over that they are fucking morons. But hey, thanks for reminding me why I usually avoid this Tangency-like cesspit of ignorant rage and delusional bullshit.
Semper Fidelis,
SHARK
Did Tubesock get around to responding how he was going to prevent death?
Shit man this is important, dont hold out on us now! How many Billion people do you want to die while we are waiting?
Some deaths are more preventable than others, which is obvious to anyone with a functioning brain, or who isn't arguing in bad faith
Like, for example?
You're talking about preventative medicine. It's a complex topic, and prevention of lifestyle-associated diseases is quite different from prevention of communicable diseases. None of this prevents death--since I'm sure some asshole is going to obsess on exact wording--but it does extend life and improve quality of life (if done right).Did Tubesock get around to responding how he was going to prevent death?
Shit man this is important, dont hold out on us now! How many Billion people do you want to die while we are waiting?
Some deaths are more preventable than others, which is obvious to anyone with a functioning brain, or who isn't arguing in bad faith
Like, for example?
Covid, obviously. Obesity-related deaths. Lung cancer from smoking. Most STDs. The common denominator? A modicum of common sense, along with concern for your own health and/or that of others, is required.
Geesus, Leftists are such lying, delusional fucking morons.Yeah, some are. But there are also a lot of lying, delusional Trumpkins who have shown over and over that they are fucking morons. But hey, thanks for reminding me why I usually avoid this Tangency-like cesspit of ignorant rage and delusional bullshit.
Semper Fidelis,
SHARK
Shush, now!Did Tubesock get around to responding how he was going to prevent death?
Shit man this is important, dont hold out on us now! How many Billion people do you want to die while we are waiting?
Some deaths are more preventable than others, which is obvious to anyone with a functioning brain, or who isn't arguing in bad faith
Like, for example?
Just to get the ball rolling, I have one:
Remember that time that Governor of New York Andrew Cuomo sent all of the patients diagnosed with Chinese Wuhan Virus back to their Rest homes where they could spread it to the other vulnerable patients.
Yeah, Trump really fucked up by letting that goofball run loose.
Did Tubesock get around to responding how he was going to prevent death?
Shit man this is important, dont hold out on us now! How many Billion people do you want to die while we are waiting?
Some deaths are more preventable than others, which is obvious to anyone with a functioning brain, or who isn't arguing in bad faith
Like, for example?
Covid, obviously. Obesity-related deaths. Lung cancer from smoking. Most STDs. The common denominator? A modicum of common sense, along with concern for your own health and/or that of others, is required.
Mr. Kim is right! NO CONSPIRACY HERE: https://twitter.com/CodeMonkeyZ/status/1339826533700026369
Supreme Court... https://twitter.com/LLinWood/status/1339637980927991808
COMPROMISED! Release the recording! Trump is showing the people the swamp and how they are not following the constitution but following their own personal agenda or controlled agenda! What does this mean? Without rule of law, the constitutional republic cannot continue. The supreme court job is to follow the rule of law, the constitution, if a judge is following another agenda because of he/she does not like someone or because they are being blackmailed and corrupt the supreme court is comprised. Compromised judges must resign!
There was a time when our children stood at attention, put their hand on their heart, and in one UNITED voice, recited the PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE. There was a time when STRENGTH and HONOR meant something. There was a time when standing for our FLAG meant something. There was a time when our history (heritage) was taught with PRIDE and RESPECT. There was a time when respect was given to those who serve(d), bled, and died to protect and defend our GOD GIVEN FREEDOM. There was a time when we were GRATEFUL.
Shush, now!Did Tubesock get around to responding how he was going to prevent death?
Shit man this is important, dont hold out on us now! How many Billion people do you want to die while we are waiting?
Some deaths are more preventable than others, which is obvious to anyone with a functioning brain, or who isn't arguing in bad faith
Like, for example?
Just to get the ball rolling, I have one:
Remember that time that Governor of New York Andrew Cuomo sent all of the patients diagnosed with Chinese Wuhan Virus back to their Rest homes where they could spread it to the other vulnerable patients.
Yeah, Trump really fucked up by letting that goofball run loose.
For people like Tubesuck, they are NOT called patients nor elderly.
They are officially called USELESS EATERS, and his religion states they must all DIE so as not to take anymore PRECIOUS RESOURCES away from people like HIM.
That's why I call them MURDERERS.
I'm also a full-time caregiver for an elderly family member who is incapable of caring for themselves. That's a large part of why I get upset at this administration's callousness and bungling with regard to Covid-19.
Greetings!
Well, when I was growing up in school, we also were united in saying the Pledge of Allegiance, every day. Everyone I knew was patriotic and loved America. It certainly isn't "idealizing an America that never existed". Most people that "protested" against America were viewed as drug-hopped hippies, Leftist pacifists, and Marxist traitors.
Merely "Disagreeing" and "Criticizing" America is fine and dandy--but what is the merit of such? Much of the "critique" and "disagreement" that is celebrated by the Left is promoted and pushed by traitors, Marxist demagogues, and others seeking to spread disunity, rebellion, and hatred, then it certainly is not a good thing at all.
Nice try, but I voted for the party that DIDN'T think it was OK for the elderly to die so that people could keep eating at Old Town Buffet.
Greetings!
Well, when I was growing up in school, we also were united in saying the Pledge of Allegiance, every day. Everyone I knew was patriotic and loved America. It certainly isn't "idealizing an America that never existed". Most people that "protested" against America were viewed as drug-hopped hippies, Leftist pacifists, and Marxist traitors.
All this time I assumed you were around my age. But damn dude, how old are you? You gotta be what, mid 60s?
Nice try, but I voted for the party that DIDN'T think it was OK for the elderly to die so that people could keep eating at Old Town Buffet. I'm also a full-time caregiver for an elderly family member who is incapable of caring for themselves. That's a large part of why I get upset at this administration's callousness and bungling with regard to Covid-19.
Nice try, but I voted for the party that DIDN'T think it was OK for the elderly to die so that people could keep eating at Old Town Buffet. I'm also a full-time caregiver for an elderly family member who is incapable of caring for themselves. That's a large part of why I get upset at this administration's callousness and bungling with regard to Covid-19.
Really? I haven't seen you even mention Cuomo (NY), Newsom (CA), Murphy (NJ), Whitmer (MI), and Wolf (PA) because they are the ones who moved COVID-19 patients into Nursing Homes.
Then again, they are all leftist democrats, so why would you complain about their shitty leadership? It would undermine your holy narrative.
I'm also a full-time caregiver for an elderly family member who is incapable of caring for themselves. That's a large part of why I get upset at this administration's callousness and bungling with regard to Covid-19.
I too am a Ninja.
The fact that you find familial responsibility so unbelievable says more about you than it does about me.
Nice try, but I voted for the party that DIDN'T think it was OK for the elderly to die so that people could keep eating at Old Town Buffet. I'm also a full-time caregiver for an elderly family member who is incapable of caring for themselves. That's a large part of why I get upset at this administration's callousness and bungling with regard to Covid-19.
Really? I haven't seen you even mention Cuomo (NY), Newsom (CA), Murphy (NJ), Whitmer (MI), and Wolf (PA) because they are the ones who moved COVID-19 patients into Nursing Homes.
Then again, they are all leftist democrats, so why would you complain about their shitty leadership? It would undermine your holy narrative.
It was obviously a horrible idea to move Covid patients to nursing homes. Not even debatable.
However, none of that changes the fact that Trump fucked this up so badly that hospitals were/are overflowing. I am in no way justifying the decisions of any state governments who made such a dangerous and foolish decision. But, had Covid been handled competently in the first place, or would have been a moot point.
The fact that you find familial responsibility so unbelievable says more about you than it does about me.
The fact that you think your care for an elderly family member means more than bupkiss in a political debate says more about you than it does about me.
Nice try, but I voted for the party that DIDN'T think it was OK for the elderly to die so that people could keep eating at Old Town Buffet. I'm also a full-time caregiver for an elderly family member who is incapable of caring for themselves. That's a large part of why I get upset at this administration's callousness and bungling with regard to Covid-19.
Really? I haven't seen you even mention Cuomo (NY), Newsom (CA), Murphy (NJ), Whitmer (MI), and Wolf (PA) because they are the ones who moved COVID-19 patients into Nursing Homes.
Then again, they are all leftist democrats, so why would you complain about their shitty leadership? It would undermine your holy narrative.
It was obviously a horrible idea to move Covid patients to nursing homes. Not even debatable.
However, none of that changes the fact that Trump fucked this up so badly that hospitals were/are overflowing. I am in no way justifying the decisions of any state governments who made such a dangerous and foolish decision. But, had Covid been handled competently in the first place, or would have been a moot point.
What do you think Trump and the rest of the Federal government should have done differently?
Nice try, but I voted for the party that DIDN'T think it was OK for the elderly to die so that people could keep eating at Old Town Buffet. I'm also a full-time caregiver for an elderly family member who is incapable of caring for themselves. That's a large part of why I get upset at this administration's callousness and bungling with regard to Covid-19.
Really? I haven't seen you even mention Cuomo (NY), Newsom (CA), Murphy (NJ), Whitmer (MI), and Wolf (PA) because they are the ones who moved COVID-19 patients into Nursing Homes.
Then again, they are all leftist democrats, so why would you complain about their shitty leadership? It would undermine your holy narrative.
It was obviously a horrible idea to move Covid patients to nursing homes. Not even debatable.
However, none of that changes the fact that Trump fucked this up so badly that hospitals were/are overflowing. I am in no way justifying the decisions of any state governments who made such a dangerous and foolish decision. But, had Covid been handled competently in the first place, or would have been a moot point.
What do you think Trump and the rest of the Federal government should have done differently?
Not fired the Pandemic response team?
Used the playbook left by the Obama administration?
Not left PPE distribution up to Jared and his frat buddies?
Not downplayed the severity and danger of the virus?
Encouraged people to behave safely and responsibly?
Nice try, but I voted for the party that DIDN'T think it was OK for the elderly to die so that people could keep eating at Old Town Buffet. I'm also a full-time caregiver for an elderly family member who is incapable of caring for themselves. That's a large part of why I get upset at this administration's callousness and bungling with regard to Covid-19.
Really? I haven't seen you even mention Cuomo (NY), Newsom (CA), Murphy (NJ), Whitmer (MI), and Wolf (PA) because they are the ones who moved COVID-19 patients into Nursing Homes.
Then again, they are all leftist democrats, so why would you complain about their shitty leadership? It would undermine your holy narrative.
It was obviously a horrible idea to move Covid patients to nursing homes. Not even debatable.
However, none of that changes the fact that Trump fucked this up so badly that hospitals were/are overflowing. I am in no way justifying the decisions of any state governments who made such a dangerous and foolish decision. But, had Covid been handled competently in the first place, or would have been a moot point.
What do you think Trump and the rest of the Federal government should have done differently?
Not fired the Pandemic response team?
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/factcheck/2020/09/10/fact-check-white-house-didnt-fire-pandemic-response-2018/3437356001/QuoteUsed the playbook left by the Obama administration?
What's different in the Obama playbook compared to how it was actually handled?QuoteNot left PPE distribution up to Jared and his frat buddies?
https://www.hhs.gov/about/news/2020/08/25/trump-administration-release-1-5-million-n95-respirators-from-strategic-national-stockpile-distribution-nursing-homes.htmlQuoteNot downplayed the severity and danger of the virus?
https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefings-statements/statement-press-secretary-regarding-presidents-coronavirus-task-force/QuoteEncouraged people to behave safely and responsibly?
https://www.cnbc.com/2020/07/21/president-trump-urges-americans-to-wear-masks-to-prevent-the-spread-of-the-coronavirus.html
Not fired the Pandemic response team?He didn't fire the pandemic response team, that's a myth. It was based on an article in the Washington Post, (https://www.washingtonpost.com/outlook/nsc-pandemic-office-trump-closed/2020/03/13/a70de09c-6491-11ea-acca-80c22bbee96f_story.html?itid=lk_inline_manual_6) but three days later they came out with another article (https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2020/03/16/no-white-house-didnt-dissolve-its-pandemic-response-office/?itid=lk_inline_manual_9) that basically said the first article was a lie. To no one's surprise given the bias of the media, the first article was widely cited in other news, the second article was not.
At the end of the day, nothing will change your mind or mine.That's horrific.
Nice cherry picking,
buy for every article you cite about the government's urging people to wear masks and take precautions, there are dozens of example of Republicans saying and doing the opposite.
At the end of the day, nothing will change your mind or mine.
At that point, it was no longer a political debate. I was being accused of being a murderer and of not viewing the elderly as human beings by someone who has never met me.
Nice try, but I voted for the party that DIDN'T think it was OK for the elderly to die so that people could keep eating at Old Town Buffet. I'm also a full-time caregiver for an elderly family member who is incapable of caring for themselves. That's a large part of why I get upset at this administration's callousness and bungling with regard to Covid-19.
Really? I haven't seen you even mention Cuomo (NY), Newsom (CA), Murphy (NJ), Whitmer (MI), and Wolf (PA) because they are the ones who moved COVID-19 patients into Nursing Homes.
Then again, they are all leftist democrats, so why would you complain about their shitty leadership? It would undermine your holy narrative.
It was obviously a horrible idea to move Covid patients to nursing homes. Not even debatable.
However, none of that changes the fact that Trump fucked this up so badly that hospitals were/are overflowing. I am in no way justifying the decisions of any state governments who made such a dangerous and foolish decision. But, had Covid been handled competently in the first place, or would have been a moot point.
What do you think Trump and the rest of the Federal government should have done differently?
Not fired the Pandemic response team?
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/factcheck/2020/09/10/fact-check-white-house-didnt-fire-pandemic-response-2018/3437356001/QuoteUsed the playbook left by the Obama administration?
What's different in the Obama playbook compared to how it was actually handled?QuoteNot left PPE distribution up to Jared and his frat buddies?
https://www.hhs.gov/about/news/2020/08/25/trump-administration-release-1-5-million-n95-respirators-from-strategic-national-stockpile-distribution-nursing-homes.htmlQuoteNot downplayed the severity and danger of the virus?
https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefings-statements/statement-press-secretary-regarding-presidents-coronavirus-task-force/QuoteEncouraged people to behave safely and responsibly?
https://www.cnbc.com/2020/07/21/president-trump-urges-americans-to-wear-masks-to-prevent-the-spread-of-the-coronavirus.html
Nice cherry picking, buy for every article you cite about the government's urging people to wear masks and take precautions, there are dozens of example of Republicans saying and doing the opposite. Trump didn't catch Vivid because he was taking the proper safety measures. At the end of the day, nothing will change your mind or mine.
Greetings!Who keep drinking the cool aid and supporting a lying, delusional, traitor who hates democracy and America. That's not patriotic, much less, PATRIOTIC.
Oh, I don't know about that. Most Trump supporters I know are excellent people, upstanding, and good Americans.
If it is too rough here for you, I understand, Bren. The political section here is definitely not for everyone.It's not too rough. The moronic conspiratorial whining from the Trumpists isn't rough or tough. It's SAD. I'm not looking forward to next four years of crying and whining about their feelings from the Trumpists.
But since you want to air it out, the only bizarre PM between us ever was yours where you attacked me for criticizing someone you believed had a PhD (still don't know whom you meant in a forum where almost everyone is pseudonymous); a nice combination of argument from authority and ignorance of the fallibility of actual PhDs.I have a PhD, don't know about anyone else here. And you started that PM conversation.
If Navarro sincerely believes this implies questionable activity, then his “report” should be treated as inherently ridiculous, since he hasn’t done his homework. If he doesn’t believe his insinuations, then the report shouldn’t be taken seriously, because it’s obviously aimed at misleading the reader.
A number of academics and policymakers questioned Gorka's knowledge of foreign policy issues, his academic credentials and his professional behavior.
The judges haven't even looked at any of the evidence, but dismissed every case on the grounds of things such as improper filing, rather than the merits of them.
This Court has allowed plaintiff the chance to make his case and he has lost on the merits.Page 22 at https://www.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.wied.92761/gov.uscourts.wied.92761.134.0_4.pdf
Such as people claiming that the courts specifically said there's nothing there, when back in the real world courts can dismiss a case for any number of reasons (ranging from judge bias to improper presentation of the claims), not necessarily because there's nothing there.
Coincidentally, I was just reading this:
https://reason.com/volokh/2020/12/13/another-court-loss-for-trump-campaign-in-wisconsin/QuoteOn Saturday, a federal district court judge in Wisconsin issued an opinion explaining why, on the merits, Texas's substantive arguments were without merit. And, as occurred on the Supreme Court, a judge appointed by President Trump, Brett Ludwig, ruled against him.
...
Dozens of election suits have been filed, and dozens of judges of all political stripes and judicial philosophies have ruled against the claims put forward by the Trump campaign and its allies.
Dismissing a case is saying there's nothing there. What do you think the courts should have found?
Not fired the Pandemic response team?He didn't fire the pandemic response team, that's a myth. It was based on an article in the Washington Post, (https://www.washingtonpost.com/outlook/nsc-pandemic-office-trump-closed/2020/03/13/a70de09c-6491-11ea-acca-80c22bbee96f_story.html?itid=lk_inline_manual_6) but three days later they came out with another article (https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2020/03/16/no-white-house-didnt-dissolve-its-pandemic-response-office/?itid=lk_inline_manual_9) that basically said the first article was a lie. To no one's surprise given the bias of the media, the first article was widely cited in other news, the second article was not.
I have a PhD.
I also have a PhD
Not fired the Pandemic response team?
Used the playbook left by the Obama administration?
Not left PPE distribution up to Jared and his frat buddies?
Not downplayed the severity and danger of the virus?
Encouraged people to behave safely and responsibly?
For starters.
The "second article" is an opinion piece by a former Trump advisor, Tim Morrison, published on 3/16/2020. It appears to be a response to an opinion piece "I ran the White House pandemic office. Trump closed it." (https://www.washingtonpost.com/outlook/nsc-pandemic-office-trump-closed/2020/03/13/a70de09c-6491-11ea-acca-80c22bbee96f_story.html) from 3/13/2020 by Beth Cameron, who headed the White House’s National Security Council Directorate for Global Health Security and Biodefense under Obama.Yes, I referred to both, and linked to both. Kind of funny how you're pretending I'm only presenting one side, when not only did I link to both of the articles, but the entire thrust of my paragraph was to present both of them in balance.
The fact check that Ratman_tf posted a link to was dated September 2020, and does cite the opinion piece by Morrison but not the one by Cameron. But it still says "disbanded" and only characterizes "President Trump fired the 'entire' pandemic response team in 2018" as Partly False, mostly on the quibbles that some resigned and some were reassigned elsewhere in the Trump administration. People who are fired are sometimes said to have resigned, and characterizing "disbanding" as "firing" is simple rhetorical hyperbole, and in any case it's not there, is it?I also used that article as a reference. In fact, even though I didn't link it (it just summarizes the elements from the previous two articles, so it seemed redundant), I used it as my primary reference. Literally everything I said came from that article. I essentially summarized the key elements.
The internet is full of posters pretending to be something they're not to claim more authority for their positions, like Dean Browning posting that he was a gay black guy when he forgot to switch to his sockpuppet account, or like the copypasta Twitter accounts pretending to be lifelong Democrats who switched to being Republican over some trivial fake outrage, all in the exact same words.... oh, this again.
It is apparent that Pat sits squarely in that tradition. Maybe Pat the non-right-winger is insane and posts randomly, but by chance always seeming right-wing; maybe Pat the non-right-winger is actually an anarchist who sees defending Donald Trump as the shortest path to the destruction of the US Constitution. But the simplest explanation is that Pat is just a right-winger.
The PM I sent you? In order to avoid embarrassing you further in public, I detailed another distortion/reading failure over what was written in a post. You clutched your pearls over someone
Is this thread still going? This shit is over. This is just cope at this point. Those who like Trump will get plenty of him when he grows the balls to come out of hiding.I actually agree with this one. Would not be surprised if we hear more from Trump's ranting and raving than from Biden over the next few years. :D
I'm positive that those of us who supported Trump will get over it at least as quickly as the people who opposed him did back in 2016. ;)Is this thread still going? This shit is over. This is just cope at this point. Those who like Trump will get plenty of him when he grows the balls to come out of hiding.I actually agree with this one. Would not be surprised if we hear more from Trump's ranting and raving than from Biden over the next few years. :D
We're doomedI'm positive that those of us who supported Trump will get over it at least as quickly as the people who opposed him did back in 2016. ;)Is this thread still going? This shit is over. This is just cope at this point. Those who like Trump will get plenty of him when he grows the balls to come out of hiding.I actually agree with this one. Would not be surprised if we hear more from Trump's ranting and raving than from Biden over the next few years. :D
We're doomedI'm positive that those of us who supported Trump will get over it at least as quickly as the people who opposed him did back in 2016. ;)Is this thread still going? This shit is over. This is just cope at this point. Those who like Trump will get plenty of him when he grows the balls to come out of hiding.I actually agree with this one. Would not be surprised if we hear more from Trump's ranting and raving than from Biden over the next few years. :D
Not downplayed the severity and danger of the virus?https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefings-statements/statement-press-secretary-regarding-presidents-coronavirus-task-force/Encouraged people to behave safely and responsibly?
https://www.cnbc.com/2020/07/21/president-trump-urges-americans-to-wear-masks-to-prevent-the-spread-of-the-coronavirus.html
If you believe the media, Trumps most consistent messaging was to drink bleach.
Luckily no one here was stupid enough to believe that.
If you believe the media, Trumps most consistent messaging was to drink bleach.
Luckily no one here was stupid enough to believe that.
If you believe the media, Trumps most consistent messaging was to drink bleach.
Luckily no one here was stupid enough to believe that.
If you believe the media, Trumps most consistent messaging was to drink bleach.
Luckily no one here was stupid enough to believe that.
Calls To Poison Centers Spike After The President’s Comments About Using Disinfectants To Treat Coronavirus (https://www.forbes.com/sites/robertglatter/2020/04/25/calls-to-poison-centers-spike--after-the-presidents-comments-about-using-disinfectants-to-treat-coronavirus/?sh=2db289521157)
After Trump Hypes Chloroquine as Covid-19 Cure, a Man Dies Swallowing a Version of the Chemical Used in Fish Tanks (https://theintercept.com/2020/03/24/trump-hyped-chloroquine-cure-covid-19-man-arizona-took-died/)
If you believe the media, Trumps most consistent messaging was to drink bleach.
Luckily no one here was stupid enough to believe that.
Calls To Poison Centers Spike After The President’s Comments About Using Disinfectants To Treat Coronavirus (https://www.forbes.com/sites/robertglatter/2020/04/25/calls-to-poison-centers-spike--after-the-presidents-comments-about-using-disinfectants-to-treat-coronavirus/?sh=2db289521157)
After Trump Hypes Chloroquine as Covid-19 Cure, a Man Dies Swallowing a Version of the Chemical Used in Fish Tanks (https://theintercept.com/2020/03/24/trump-hyped-chloroquine-cure-covid-19-man-arizona-took-died/)
Greetings!
GOOD! Darwinism in action right there! Culling the herd of the stupidest members! *Laughing*
Semper Fidelis,
SHARK
Greetings!
GOOD! Darwinism in action right there! Culling the herd of the stupidest members! *Laughing*
Semper Fidelis,
SHARK
(https://i.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/001/938/827/9c7)Other than SUPA-EDGIE-LORDD DAANK MEEMS, do you want to add anything to the conversation worthwhile other than:
And (if true, I seem to remember some debunking of this) almost certainly caused by the media. I don't think even the most moronic person heard the actual statement from Trump and thought "hey, the President is telling us to drink bleach!"
I watched the speech he gave on this. He started by stating that the FAKE NEWS would accuse him of stating this. Then - within the editing room snip snip - he suddenly SAID IT. AMAZING!And (if true, I seem to remember some debunking of this) almost certainly caused by the media. I don't think even the most moronic person heard the actual statement from Trump and thought "hey, the President is telling us to drink bleach!"I was just rebutting the claim that nobody would be that stupid. The media did not introduce internal use of disinfectants (or hydroxychloroquine) to the discourse. Even if nobody did this exceptionally stupid thing, reporting it served to underline that information from the President was not reliable, and ignoring Trump's advice on shutdowns and masks and social distancing was probably lifesaving for many people.
The media (and manufacturers of disinfectants) went to great lengths to inform the public that this was bad.
-snip-
It’s a funny meme. I’m fascinated by the reverence people show the man and would like to know why. All that fascist talk was just SJW bullshit until now. I do have a legit question for you. Which is more idiotic? In 2008 when people were telling me that we will enter a utopia because the president is black? Or now when hard working rural Americans are telling me that a NYC billionaire son of a multimillionaire real estate mogul is their savior? Seriously I would have voted for him if I even noticed his tax cuts. All I saw was my medical premiums and out of pocket expenses sky rocket. Trump failed the average American. Just like pretty much every president before him. The difference is he’s a narcissistic, comb over having, platform shoe wearing, spray tanned asshole. Of course he lost the election. He’s humiliated himself countless times. I don’t see how anyone could go out and vote for the man after all that. Americans like their hypocrisy veiled. Not in your face everyday ala Trump. Why him? Too cult like for my taste.When he was elected, I was told he was the closer. The man who would cause the U.S. to be broken into 10 regional Fema controlled zones. The man who would end the constitution by declaring Martial Law. Amazingly, I didn't believe them. Now I do. However, I also believe we have a greater chance of NOT being balkanized and controlled this way UNDER him, than not. Also after Obama recieved his 2nd term, I was told by a government agency I was going to be, and I quote, "JUST ANOTHER DEAD KIKE WE'RE GOING TO SHOOT IN THE HEAD." They also threatened my family and friends with death. I am alone now. But, these overt threats stopped after the election of 2016. And, FYI: I have not voted since 2014. Because the compromised police in my town will arrest me if I do. By order of our Mayor. Because I'm dangerous. Because I have a BIG FUCKING JEW MOUTH as they like to say. That's why I retreated. That's why my last chance is Trump. It's a long shot to be sure, but I WILL NOT LET INJUSTICE WIN! That's why I post here. It's the last place I can.
Sidney Powell Is now on the ropes!
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2020/12/not-impressed-ms-powell-retracts-nothing-lin-wood-responds-dominion-voting-machines-threats-sidney-powell/
Dominion Voting Systems sent a threatening letter to Attorney Sidney Powell demanding a retraction of her “defamatory” accusations. Dominion is very upset with the allegations that the Dominion machines were flipping ballots from Trump to Biden something that was proven in court last week! And there are at least five videos of voting machine companies flipping votes from Trump to Biden on live TV on election night.
This has never been explained. Attorney Lin Wood responded to Dominion Voting Machines:
https://twitter.com/LLinWood/status/1340729543267667970?s=20
Lin Wood: “I am not impressed. Ms. Powell retracts nothing.”
New Info? Or just more salt from Trumpets?
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2020/12/breaking-huge-simple-math-shows-biden-claims-13-million-votes-eligible-voters-voted-2020-election/
Bill Binney, of US Intel tweeted out a message yesterday noting that more people voted in the 2020 election nation-wide than were eligible to vote:
https://twitter.com/Bill_Binney/status/1340106702167961602
https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/2020/elections/voter-turnout/
Binney attaches a link to the number of registered voters in the US. "We made a copy as of today and added these voters up. When we add up the number of registered voters we obtain 213.8 million registered voters in the US as of this morning": https://v1.nitrocdn.com/PtUefQrfncdsWOjilqcqdvGyQbUvpoWC/assets/static/source/rev-fd11ab2/wp-content/uploads/Registered-Voters-Per-State-865x1536.jpg
"If we have 213.8 million registered voters in the US and 66.2% of all voters voted in the 2020 election, that equals 141.5 voters who voted in the 2020 election" (Binney shows 140 million which is materially the same). "If President Trump won 74 million votes, then that leaves only 67.5 million votes remaining for Biden. This means 13 million duplicate or made up ballots were created and counted for Biden! The results of the 2020 election at a very high level do not add up." This is math liberals – very simple math that even liberals should be able to understand. At a high level, the Biden camp clearly committed fraud.
The election results lasted FIVE SECONDS?!
https://electionwiz.com/2020/12/21/breaking-peter-navarro-says-379000-illegal-ballots-were-cast-in-michigan/
‘Within Five Seconds,’ Biden Got 141,000 Votes, While Trump Only Got 5,900. Navarro pointed to the timestamped data from the New York Times. He said on November 4, Trump had taken a substantial lead over Biden during a nine hour period. Navarro said that within “five seconds” at around 6:30 am ET, Biden’s vote total “skyrocketed by 141,258 votes.” Dr. Navarro said that vote surge is over 30 times the expected vote count. “Within that same time frame, do ya know how many Trump got? 5,968 [votes],” Navarro remarked. Dr. Navarro said there was another suspicious dump at around 3:50 am ET where Biden got over 54,000 votes while Trump only garnered about 4,700 votes.
Nope No EVIDENCE OF FRAUD here... don't look and it doesn't exist!
https://twitter.com/tracybeanz/status/1340875788044922881
“We’re getting closer and closer. And I hope you let everybody know we’re actually very close,” Trump said on WABC radio. “The fake news will not tell you that. They don’t want to talk about it. They’re trying to suppress it. We don’t have freedom of the press at all. It’s suppressed news. It’s a terrible thing that’s happened in our country. It’s been going on for, it started a long time ago, but it’s gotten to a point, it’s a terrible thing. It’s not freedom of the press, and we got to bring that back, because the press is so suppressed. It’s so dishonest. I don’t even call it fake news anymore. I call it corrupt news,” he added.
President Trump’s campaign today issued the following statement:
“Donald J. Trump for President, Inc., President Trump’s campaign committee, today filed a petition for writ of certiorari to the US. Supreme Court to reverse a trio of Pennsylvania Supreme Court cases which illegally changed Pennsylvania’s mail balloting law immediately before and after the 2020 presidential election in violation of Article II of the United States Constitution and Bush v. Gore. This represents the Campaign’s first independent U.S. Supreme Court filing and seeks relief based on the same Constitutional arguments successfully raised in Bush v. Gore. “This petition follows a related Pennsylvania case where Justice Alito and two other justices observed ‘the constitutionality of the [Pennsylvania] Supreme Court’s decision [extending the statutory deadline for receipt of mail ballots from 8 pm on election day to 5 pm three days later] … has national importance, and there is a strong likelihood that the State Supreme Court decision violates the Federal Constitution.’ “The Campaign’s petition seeks to reverse three decisions which eviscerated the Pennsylvania Legislature’s protections against mail ballot fraud, including (a) prohibiting election officials checking whether signatures on mail ballots are genuine during canvassing on Election Day, (b) eliminating the right of campaigns to challenge mail ballots during canvassing for forged signatures and other irregularities, (c) holding that the rights of campaigns to observe the canvassing of mail ballots only meant that they only were allowed to be ‘in the room’ – in this case, the Philadelphia Convention Center – the size of several football fields, and (d) eliminating the statutory requirements that voters properly sign, address, and date mail ballots. “The petition seeks all appropriate remedies, including vacating the appointment of electors committed to Joseph Biden and allowing the Pennsylvania General Assembly to select their replacements. The Campaign also moved for expedited consideration, asking the Supreme Court to order responses by December 23 and a reply by December 24 to allow the U.S. Supreme Court to rule before Congress meets on January 6 to consider the votes of the electoral college.
Rep. Matt Gaetz announced that he will be challenging the electoral college votes during the Joint Session of Congress on Jan. 6 when votes are counted. Rep. Gaetz made the promise during his speech at Turning Point USA’s Student Action Summit. “So on January 6, I’m joining with the fighters in the Congress and we are going to object to electors from states that didn’t run clean elections,” Gaetz said.
But... THE LAW!
https://nationalfile.com/law-prohibits-pence-from-accepting-electoral-votes-from-fraudulently-certified-states-constitutional-lawyer/
https://twitter.com/Raiklin/status/1340664814788612099
My Take?
The Deep State and MSM are now trapped by the constitution, the law of the land. The election results are not adding up, if we take all registered voters there are 13 million more votes than registered voters. Trump has been sending this message to the people. Pence has been waiting in the wings for the right moment to strike. The clock is ticking down.
Greetings!Yep. The great awakening! It's happening all round us. However, I MUST warn: The original intended goal is for people around the world to reject and overthrow their own governments. If this is true, then what we are seeing is the populism which is to fail. Then a limited nuclear war. Then the overthrow. I don't believe that, myself, but I did hear such things for quite a few years. It makes me wonder which info is the disinfo and which is not. The only facts I understand is simple - there appears to be enough evidence of potential fraud that it has cast great doubt on the very institutions that people rely on to have their voices heard. Anyone who is reasonable can understand that IS a huge problem. Those that say it is not are liars and probably part of the ACTION NETWORKS which were created under Obama to discredit and round up anyone who DISSENTS with the mainstream view. The religion of secularism IS conformity to the social engineering standards, which can be changed by the whim of the zeitgeist. But thats only one of the many roots of this evil. I'm not surprised women have become supporters, since the otherside constantly demonizes their men and children (especially boys). I have been persecuted most of my life by bigots and provincials, but I have never seen it happen to the public at large - to the majority - at this level of intensity. Being neither a conformist nor an activist or radical, I cannot wrap my head around ANYONE who wishes to burn their own house down with their own family trapped inside it, let alone kill their neighbors. But, according to those in-the-know, the perpetrators of this madness are being fed this lie:
-snip-
Consolcwby, in one of the links--Lin Wood's Twitter, I recall--a woman, Tracy Beantz, I think, an investigative reporter, posts a little video of herself talking to the President, proclaiming her love for him, and her support for President Trump, and supporting him continuing to fight the evil snakes of the Deep State--the vipers! So inspiring! I've seen many videos now of so many women urging the President to fight and resist! To never give in to the fucking Democrats! Urging President Trump to defend the Republic, and not let the Marxists overthrow our country! Fucking awesome!
Semper Fidelis,
SHARK
Or now when hard working rural Americans are telling me that a NYC billionaire son of a multimillionaire real estate mogul is their savior? Seriously I would have voted for him if I even noticed his tax cuts. All I saw was my medical premiums and out of pocket expenses sky rocket. Trump failed the average American.
Dude, I do my own taxes. Anyone making under 70 thousand saw the largest federal tax cut in any of our lifetimes.
And, interestingly enough, everybody's premiums and out-of-pockets skyrocketed the year after the "guaranteed profit for insurance companies" government subsidy in the ACA auto-expired...amazing how that worked isn't it...almost like textbook economics. Still trying to figure out how that was Trump's fault since that law was passed in 2010.
Greetings!Yep. The great awakening! It's happening all round us. However, I MUST warn: The original intended goal is for people around the world to reject and overthrow their own governments. If this is true, then what we are seeing is the populism which is to fail. Then a limited nuclear war. Then the overthrow. I don't believe that, myself, but I did hear such things for quite a few years. It makes me wonder which info is the disinfo and which is not. The only facts I understand is simple - there appears to be enough evidence of potential fraud that it has cast great doubt on the very institutions that people rely on to have their voices heard. Anyone who is reasonable can understand that IS a huge problem. Those that say it is not are liars and probably part of the ACTION NETWORKS which were created under Obama to discredit and round up anyone who DISSENTS with the mainstream view. The religion of secularism IS conformity to the social engineering standards, which can be changed by the whim of the zeitgeist. But thats only one of the many roots of this evil. I'm not surprised women have become supporters, since the otherside constantly demonizes their men and children (especially boys). I have been persecuted most of my life by bigots and provincials, but I have never seen it happen to the public at large - to the majority - at this level of intensity. Being neither a conformist nor an activist or radical, I cannot wrap my head around ANYONE who wishes to burn their own house down with their own family trapped inside it, let alone kill their neighbors. But, according to those in-the-know, the perpetrators of this madness are being fed this lie:
-snip-
Consolcwby, in one of the links--Lin Wood's Twitter, I recall--a woman, Tracy Beantz, I think, an investigative reporter, posts a little video of herself talking to the President, proclaiming her love for him, and her support for President Trump, and supporting him continuing to fight the evil snakes of the Deep State--the vipers! So inspiring! I've seen many videos now of so many women urging the President to fight and resist! To never give in to the fucking Democrats! Urging President Trump to defend the Republic, and not let the Marxists overthrow our country! Fucking awesome!
Semper Fidelis,
SHARK
There are too many humans on this planet to be sustainable. Therefore, we must choose who is to survive. You are chosen because you help and protect those less fortunate than yourselves. But we must be ready to sacrifice our friends, families, even our own virtues through strength of conviction that WE and WE ALONE MUST SURVIVE. Therefore, the HERD MUST CULL ITSELF. And we shall help this - for sustainability, the environment, and our futures on this planet.
That is the lie I cannot understand why ANYONE with a braincell could believe.
And it's all going to be blamed on the Jews. Instead of the phonies who, currently, claim to be Jews and are not.
The final solution: The 'Controlled Simulation' of the 'End Of The World'.
Think of it as Evolution in Action.Oath of Fealty, by Niven and Pournelle.
This comes back to "we don't pay you for effort, we pay you for outcomes." Oddly though, even if you can produce the same outcomes as another employee while working half the time, they want you to put in more effort (the rest of that time) without paying you more for exceeding the outcomes of the other...Think of it as Evolution in Action.Oath of Fealty, by Niven and Pournelle.
Honestly, myleftderp reminds me of the retard I had lecturing me last night on how labor has value. I tried to point out that labor itself has no intrinsic value and that the value generated was based on the results. I was then challenged to 'run a labor free business'.
Economics is hard, I guess.
Telling the truth goes a long way, they could have just quoted him without trying to read everything in the worst possible way.
I was just rebutting the claim that nobody would be that stupid. The media did not introduce internal use of disinfectants (or hydroxychloroquine) to the discourse. Even if nobody did this exceptionally stupid thing, reporting it served to underline that information from the President was not reliable, and ignoring Trump's advice on shutdowns and masks and social distancing was probably lifesaving for many people.
The media (and manufacturers of disinfectants) went to great lengths to inform the public that this was bad. The people who were stupid enough to do this anyway probably trusted Donald Trump far more than they trusted the media, and the media deciding which of the President's statements at his press conferences should be reported or not is likely worse (and wouldn't have worked anyway in the age of social media). If you want to blame the media, then you're obliged to say what they should have done instead.
I was just rebutting the claim that nobody would be that stupid.
Newsmax has followed Fox News in retracting its claims about Smartmatic voting machines. I'm starting to sense a pattern here.
Trump just issued a bunch of pardons. Which is fine, and what Presidents do when they know they are about to leave office.
I was just rebutting the claim that nobody would be that stupid. The media did not introduce internal use of disinfectants (or hydroxychloroquine) to the discourse. Even if nobody did this exceptionally stupid thing, reporting it served to underline that information from the President was not reliable, and ignoring Trump's advice on shutdowns and masks and social distancing was probably lifesaving for many people.I watched the speech he gave on this. He started by stating that the FAKE NEWS would accuse him of stating this. Then - within the editing room snip snip - he suddenly SAID IT. AMAZING!
The media (and manufacturers of disinfectants) went to great lengths to inform the public that this was bad.
I also find it amazing how much you wish to MURDER INNOCENT PEOPLE! WHY? Does it make you feel like a GOD? Why? Why do you want to murder children who never did anything to you??
How does it feel to be THAT kind of person? Hm?
Newsmax has followed Fox News in retracting its claims about Smartmatic voting machines. I'm starting to sense a pattern here.
Telling the truth goes a long way, they could have just quoted him without trying to read everything in the worst possible way.
Your naive belief that the mass media never misrepresent anything is just super adorable.
See what I did there? ;)
Voting machines were a big nothing burger.
Newsmax has followed Fox News in retracting its claims about Smartmatic voting machines. I'm starting to sense a pattern here.
Sebastian Gorka on Newsmax cut off the MyPillow guy when he started in on Dominion voting machines. Definite fear of lawsuits.
Oh look, U.S. Trade Deficit the worst since 2008 recession (https://www.axios.com/us-trade-deficits-continue-to-grow-ba953cd0-457f-48ef-84f3-f4f996353da0.html). And it was diving already before Covid.
For those playing at home, one of Trumps major issues when he ran was our bad trade deficit. Which he promised to drastically improve.
Who could have predicted Trump's trade policies would backfire and be even worse than before? Oh right, me. And everyone who has experience in trade and could see his policies would not increase our manufacturing but would instead decrease U.S. sales of goods overseas.
WaPo opinion piece on how Republicans are rats.
Washington. Post.
I feel quite fine calling Democrats vermin who need to be exterminated now. Race you all to the bottom!
Newsmax has followed Fox News in retracting its claims about Smartmatic voting machines. I'm starting to sense a pattern here.
Sebastian Gorka on Newsmax cut off the MyPillow guy when he started in on Dominion voting machines. Definite fear of lawsuits.
That’s how much of a sitcom this whole thing is. Who gives a fuck what the mypillow guy thinks? Why is he being interviewed? Seriously can’t Trump land come up with a better mouthpiece?
Telling the truth goes a long way, they could have just quoted him without trying to read everything in the worst possible way.
I realize Republicans like it best when reporters are simply stenographers. But to a large extent they were just reporting on the horrified reactions of doctors and companies that made disinfectants.QuoteYour naive belief that the mass media never misrepresent anything is just super adorable.
That would be bad if I had ever said anything of the sort; you have mistaken me for the strawman in your head. But pointing out your ignorance of PhDs really, really embarrassed you, huh?QuoteSee what I did there? ;)
Yes, embarrassed yourself some more. LOL.
Newsmax has followed Fox News in retracting its claims about Smartmatic voting machines. I'm starting to sense a pattern here.
Sebastian Gorka on Newsmax cut off the MyPillow guy when he started in on Dominion voting machines. Definite fear of lawsuits.
That’s how much of a sitcom this whole thing is. Who gives a fuck what the mypillow guy thinks? Why is he being interviewed? Seriously can’t Trump land come up with a better mouthpiece?
If they had just put a laugh track on the coronavirus briefings, they wouldn't have had so much trouble over the bleach thing.
But the Trump campaign has had a lot of difficulties with its branding. Depicting Trump as Thanos from the Avengers movies; the campaign as the Death Star; boat parades as the Spanish Armada; and lawsuits as "Release the Kraken!" You would think that someone would have noticed that all of these are bad news and came to a bad end.... Was it stupidity or sabotage?
Voting machines were a big nothing burger.
Too late! The other side is already spinning up its own theories (http://"https://www.dcreport.org/2020/12/19/mitch-mcconnells-re-election-the-numbers-dont-add-up/").
Careful, man. They're going to overturn democracy Any Day Now, and then you'll be sorry. Just, you know, not in a Nazi way. Just an anti-communist way. *eyes the centre-right Democrats*
Voting machines were a big nothing burger.
Too late! The other side is already spinning up its own theories (http://"https://www.dcreport.org/2020/12/19/mitch-mcconnells-re-election-the-numbers-dont-add-up/").
Your link is not working, so what did Biden say about the spinning theories?
As an aside, you remember Michael Bloomberg? The jackass that ran for President recently and who's campaign failed miserably after about a month? This moron spent--wait for it--500 MILLION DOLLARS on a bullshit campaign that went NOWHERE and accomplished NOTHING. You know how many people are living in the United States of America? Say, 350 million. Michael Bloomberg could have donated ONE MILLION DOLLARS to every man, woman, and child in America--and still saved money from his stupid political campaign. Every man, woman, and child in America could have been given likely more money in one stroke of a pen than they would ever have in a fucking lifetime.
I say that as yet another example of the presence of wealth and resources. The country--and certainly the planet--have plenty of wealth and resources to ensure everyone is taken care of, and has essential opportunities. The idea that we don't have the resources, so therefore we must bow down to a one-world government and entrust an elite few to rule over us with tyrannical power is a tyrant's feverish dream, and totally evil. The fucking globalists are evil and must be resisted. Globalists, Technocrats, Marxists, whatever you want to call them--they are all evil, wicked people, yearning for tyranny. They are all members of the same club.
I assume that was a parody of this particular piece of stupidity:As an aside, you remember Michael Bloomberg? The jackass that ran for President recently and who's campaign failed miserably after about a month? This moron spent--wait for it--500 MILLION DOLLARS on a bullshit campaign that went NOWHERE and accomplished NOTHING. You know how many people are living in the United States of America? Say, 350 million. Michael Bloomberg could have donated ONE MILLION DOLLARS to every man, woman, and child in America--and still saved money from his stupid political campaign. Every man, woman, and child in America could have been given likely more money in one stroke of a pen than they would ever have in a fucking lifetime.
SHARK, you might want to look at the math on this claim again. You're pretty hugely off on this. $500 million split among 350 million people would be one dollar and 42 cents per person, not a million per person. I say this because in a number of other subjects, you do have an attention to detail -- like with respect to history. I wouldn't expect most of your opinions to change, but if your claim here is off by a million times, I hope you might look back and allow that some other claims might have some flaws.
Dominion has sent notices to Giuliani and Cipollone telling them to preserve documents ahead of "imminent legal action".
Dominion has sent notices to Giuliani and Cipollone telling them to preserve documents ahead of "imminent legal action".
No there is a fear reaction if I ever saw one.....
Will it be another kraken?Dominion has sent notices to Giuliani and Cipollone telling them to preserve documents ahead of "imminent legal action".
No there is a fear reaction if I ever saw one.....
The fear reaction is those who have been defaming Dominion for weeks with no evidence being called to pay deep fines for said behavior. Truth is a defense to defamation and they will not be able to use that defense.
As an aside, you remember Michael Bloomberg? The jackass that ran for President recently and who's campaign failed miserably after about a month? This moron spent--wait for it--500 MILLION DOLLARS on a bullshit campaign that went NOWHERE and accomplished NOTHING. You know how many people are living in the United States of America? Say, 350 million. Michael Bloomberg could have donated ONE MILLION DOLLARS to every man, woman, and child in America--and still saved money from his stupid political campaign. Every man, woman, and child in America could have been given likely more money in one stroke of a pen than they would ever have in a fucking lifetime.
SHARK, you might want to look at the math on this claim again. You're pretty hugely off on this. $500 million split among 350 million people would be one dollar and 42 cents per person, not a million per person. I say this because in a number of other subjects, you do have an attention to detail -- like with respect to history. I wouldn't expect most of your opinions to change, but if your claim here is off by a million times, I hope you might look back and allow that some other claims might have some flaws.I say that as yet another example of the presence of wealth and resources. The country--and certainly the planet--have plenty of wealth and resources to ensure everyone is taken care of, and has essential opportunities. The idea that we don't have the resources, so therefore we must bow down to a one-world government and entrust an elite few to rule over us with tyrannical power is a tyrant's feverish dream, and totally evil. The fucking globalists are evil and must be resisted. Globalists, Technocrats, Marxists, whatever you want to call them--they are all evil, wicked people, yearning for tyranny. They are all members of the same club.
A lot of the liberal left share a distaste for elite billionaires. I think a significant part of Bloomberg's failure wasn't his position, but rather that his billionaire status didn't go over well with the progressive wing among Democrats. I realize that you feel they are misguided and that what they are voting for is tyranny, but it seems to me that is an overlap in position where populist conservatives and leftist progressives have some common ground.
Will it be another kraken?
But you get the main point I was making. Bloomberg is an example of an enormous amount of wealth frivolously wasted. Clearly, the wealth and resources to ensure the prosperity and survival of society--here in America--but secondarily by extension to the world, is quite abundant.Bloomberg's money isn't wasted. Billionaires don't have huge stacks of money in vaults. They own companies, which have been judged to provide immense value by their customers in a free market. Without Bloomberg, someone may have created an equivalent of the Bloomberg machine. Or they might not have, or it might have been delayed, or achieved less penetration. That $60 billion or so his company is worth didn't exist before he created it. Now, yes, other people might have used the same staff, the same office space, the same chips, and all the other resources he mobilized to produce something valuable in his absence. So we can't say for sure that, without him, the world would be $60 billion poorer. But since the whole point of a market is to make the best use of scarce resources, we know any alternative use of those resources would have been worth less. And since the $60 billion is just what the company is worth, and doesn't measure the entire value he added, it can also be more. So while it's hard to pin a true value to his unique contributions, we know he added value, and did it more efficiently than anyone else who was competing for those same resources. He's not spending that $60 billion, he's using it, to add increase the total wealth of the world.
I recently heard that America, for example, supplies 70% of the world with food, or key elements of their food. If America stopped shipping food out to people around the world, a whole lot of people would be hurting very fast. We have abundant resources, and the idea that we cannot support the present population of the earth is a flat out lie. Same BS with birth control and abortion. All of it is evil and nonsense.
Our problems are founded within political leadership, officials, inter-tribal and inter-group hatred, poor civic planning, corruption, and lack of modern transportation, storage, and technical networks--refrigeration, electricity, roadways, trains, and so on.
Semper Fidelis,
SHARK
Dominion has sent notices to Giuliani and Cipollone telling them to preserve documents ahead of "imminent legal action".
Now there is a fear reaction if I ever saw one.....
The fear reaction is those who have been defaming Dominion for weeks with no evidence being called to pay deep fines for said behavior. Truth is a defense to defamation and they will not be able to use that defense.
Bloomberg's money isn't wasted. Billionaires don't have huge stacks of money in vaults....This is total bullshit right here...
See what I did there? ;)
Yes, embarrassed yourself some more. LOL.
I even gave you a hint ;D
Yeah, of course you wouldn’t get it. I paraphrased your posts, throwing your bullshit straw man arguments back at you, nitwit :D
Voting machines were a big nothing burger.
Too late! The other side is already spinning up its own theories (http://"https://www.dcreport.org/2020/12/19/mitch-mcconnells-re-election-the-numbers-dont-add-up/").
Your link is not working, so what did Biden say about the spinning theories?
“Base it on a misrepresentation” you don’t say.See what I did there? ;)
Yes, embarrassed yourself some more. LOL.
I even gave you a hint ;D
Yeah, of course you wouldn’t get it. I paraphrased your posts, throwing your bullshit straw man arguments back at you, nitwit :D
You were super adorable when you asserted that it was wrong to think a PhD could make a mistake, because even the most naive and sheltered freshmen don't believe that after minimal contact with actual PhDs. (Or you think that hinting that you had a PhD would somehow overawe people, which is even stupider.) Your attempt to manufacture a comeback failed utterly, because you could only base it on a misrepresentation of what I said. I'm beginning to doubt that any reputable institution granted you a PhD.
It's entertaining how you clowns think a stolen election will be allowed to stand.
QuoteWill it be another kraken?
Sydney Powell says she%u2019s now been banned from the White House. This just keeps getting better.
This country is doomed. It's doomed, not just because of African-Americans, but because by 2040, this country is going to be minority white-European. You hear me? And you guys are going to have to start working more with Hispanics. Who make up a larger portion of population than y'all do!
Your attempt to manufacture a comeback failed utterly, because you could only base it on a misrepresentation of what I said. I'm beginning to doubt that any reputable institution granted you a PhD.“Base it on a misrepresentation” you don’t say.
OK I guess I have to explain it then 😆
It was obviously an intentional straw man. I was parodying you and your insincere arguments.
Still waiting to see any evidence of a stolen election.
QuoteWill it be another kraken?
Sydney Powell says she%u2019s now been banned from the White House. This just keeps getting better.
Get your fake news straight: %u201C...blocked by the White House counsel and others from seeing or speaking to the president%u201D on one day, by rino defeatist underlings who like to play those kind of games.
Not banned. Nice try word-switch misrepresentation man. One look at her twitter feed and she is still exchanging comments and reply's with the GE...
See, if you are trying to cause the other side to despair; it's much better to drop stuff that's harder to refute:
Creepy Joe Biden Call:
https://mobile.twitter.com/RowdyRep/status/1341499773455622145Quote from: According to Fake President-Elect:link=topic=42372.msg1157686#msg1157686 date=1608767829This country is doomed. It's doomed, not just because of African-Americans, but because by 2040, this country is going to be minority white-European. You hear me? And you guys are going to have to start working more with Hispanics. Who make up a larger portion of population than y'all do!
Some are trying to say it's fake, but it's just a natural extension of his previous public statements:
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Ep8l3G9XEAA2WOf?format=jpg&name=900x900)
And just so that this never gets memory holed:
How is Creepy Joe Biden's public statement not evidence?
Why should we not take this man at his word?
Fud, lies lies lies, racist comment, lies. Fud fud fud lies lies lies.Here's why Joe Biden was Hide - en:
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Its not proving a stolen election. It is about proving that the election was legitimate.
Will Pence Save America?
https://twitter.com/TheRightMelissa/status/1341579724687073280
As President of the Senate, @Mike_Pence has sole power to tell the states he will not accept their electors b/c they vioated the Constittion. At this point the legislatures will either have to select new electors or stand down This will put Dems on defense from now till Jan 6th. He cannot LEGALLY accept fraudelent electors Dec 23rd is his highest call of duty is to defend the Constitution from the States failure to follow it. These States are in breach of contract of the Constitution by allowing Governors to circumvent State legislatures.
Its not proving a stolen election. It is about proving that the election was legitimate.
You are confused; the burden of proof is still with those claiming it is not legitimate.
@Shasarak, don't you understand yet? You could bring forth video where by every single poll worker signs a document stating: "I committed election fraud and I am proud of it!" and he would STILL say: "That's NOT PROOF! I don't see ANY PROOF! Where is THE PROOF??!!" In other words, in his own words: "I have not seen any evidence of voter fraud", means HE HAS NOT SEEN ANY EVIDENCE IN PERSON WITHIN HIS PRESENCE, AND WITHOUT A JUDGE TELLING HIM: "This is the evidence of fraud, my friend."Its not proving a stolen election. It is about proving that the election was legitimate.
You are confused; the burden of proof is still with those claiming it is not legitimate.
You dont accept an unverified election because elections are not inherently innocent until proven guilty.
You need to prove that it was both a free and fair election.
Fud, lies lies lies, racist comment, lies. Fud fud fud lies lies lies.Here's why Joe Biden was Hide - en:
-snipped-
Its not proving a stolen election. It is about proving that the election was legitimate.
You are confused; the burden of proof is still with those claiming it is not legitimate.
You dont accept an unverified election because elections are not inherently innocent until proven guilty.
You need to prove that it was both a free and fair election.
The U.S. Code(3 U.S.C. §5)provides that if election results are contested in any state, and if the state, prior to election day,has enacted procedures to settle controversies or contests over electors and electoral votes, and if these procedures have been applied, and the results have been determined six days before the electors’ meetings, then these results are considered to be conclusive, and will apply in the counting of the electoral votes.
No Evidence Of FRAUD, say those who want to create a new AUSCHWITZ IN AMERICA!
@Shasarak, don't you understand yet? You could bring forth video where by every single poll worker signs a document stating: "I committed election fraud and I am proud of it!" and he would STILL say: "That's NOT PROOF! I don't see ANY PROOF! Where is THE PROOF??!!" In other words, in his own words: "I have not seen any evidence of voter fraud", means HE HAS NOT SEEN ANY EVIDENCE IN PERSON WITHIN HIS PRESENCE, AND WITHOUT A JUDGE TELLING HIM: "This is the evidence of fraud, my friend."Its not proving a stolen election. It is about proving that the election was legitimate.
You are confused; the burden of proof is still with those claiming it is not legitimate.
You dont accept an unverified election because elections are not inherently innocent until proven guilty.
You need to prove that it was both a free and fair election.
Learn his patterns: Attempts to sound intelligent because he has very little idea what is really going on. All he knows is HATE, SPITE, LIES, and MURDER! He has yet to PROVE WITH EVIDENCE his side. All burdens are upon his enemies, and he accuses his enemies what he himself does. I believe he is an antisemite. I think he hates SHEM.
You're letting the troll score points.No Evidence Of FRAUD, say those who want to create a new AUSCHWITZ IN AMERICA!
Nope nope nope. Line crossed. You do not get to use the history of my families pain and death in your stupid political ranting bullshit. I mean you have the free speech right but you don't have the right to be consequence free from that fucking bullshit antic.
No, there are no concentration camps. No, nothing going on in America is comparable to Auschwitz, and nothing anyone wants to "create" is either. Yes, you're a complete fucking creepy asshole for claiming there is or plans to be. No, there is no defense other than 'I am sorry you're right I went to far on that one' for that comment.
You're letting the troll score points.No Evidence Of FRAUD, say those who want to create a new AUSCHWITZ IN AMERICA!
Nope nope nope. Line crossed. You do not get to use the history of my families pain and death in your stupid political ranting bullshit. I mean you have the free speech right but you don't have the right to be consequence free from that fucking bullshit antic.
No, there are no concentration camps. No, nothing going on in America is comparable to Auschwitz, and nothing anyone wants to "create" is either. Yes, you're a complete fucking creepy asshole for claiming there is or plans to be. No, there is no defense other than 'I am sorry you're right I went to far on that one' for that comment.
Perhaps, perhaps not. I don't take anyone here seriously these days.You're letting the troll score points.No Evidence Of FRAUD, say those who want to create a new AUSCHWITZ IN AMERICA!
Nope nope nope. Line crossed. You do not get to use the history of my families pain and death in your stupid political ranting bullshit. I mean you have the free speech right but you don't have the right to be consequence free from that fucking bullshit antic.
No, there are no concentration camps. No, nothing going on in America is comparable to Auschwitz, and nothing anyone wants to "create" is either. Yes, you're a complete fucking creepy asshole for claiming there is or plans to be. No, there is no defense other than 'I am sorry you're right I went to far on that one' for that comment.
You might not be the best person here to be complaining about letting trolls score points.
>we have an objective system to determine what rises to proof of a crime
>they're called courts.
>we have an objective system to determine what rises to proof of a crime
>they're called courts.
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Dude, there have been innocent men sent to DEATH Row by US courts and later found innocent. Multiple times.
And that's when courts actually look at the evidence and don't dismiss it on procedural grounds.
THAT's how effective the US court system is at "objectively" determining WTF "proof" is.
Now can someone please tell me how Trump is the last stand against socialism and communism, while he's threatening a veto on the stimulus because it doesn't give away enough free money to everyone? You know, a plan BERNIE SANDERS proposed!
Now can someone please tell me how Trump is the last stand against socialism and communism, while he's threatening a veto on the stimulus because it doesn't give away enough free money to everyone? You know, a plan BERNIE SANDERS proposed!
To be serious for a moment. Does anyone know the implications concerning the one time payment? Considering the bill was not signed nor vetoed.
Its not proving a stolen election. It is about proving that the election was legitimate.
You are confused; the burden of proof is still with those claiming it is not legitimate.
You dont accept an unverified election because elections are not inherently innocent until proven guilty.
You need to prove that it was both a free and fair election.
No, claims that it was not a free and fair election likely require a showing by the preponderance of evidence (although assertions of criminality would require proof beyond a reasonable doubt).
Looks like Sydney Powell's star witness isn't just a fake Intelligence Officer, but a fake M.D. as well...
No, dipshit, you prove a crime (e.g., fraud) was committed. That has not occurred in any meaningful way.Its not proving a stolen election. It is about proving that the election was legitimate.
You are confused; the burden of proof is still with those claiming it is not legitimate.
You dont accept an unverified election because elections are not inherently innocent until proven guilty.
You need to prove that it was both a free and fair election.
No, claims that it was not a free and fair election likely require a showing by the preponderance of evidence (although assertions of criminality would require proof beyond a reasonable doubt).
You dont prove a negative dumbie
You prove it was free and fair, you dont prove that it was not.
No, dipshit, you prove a crime (e.g., fraud) was committed. That has not occurred in any meaningful way.
Now can someone please tell me how Trump is the last stand against socialism and communism, while he's threatening a veto on the stimulus because it doesn't give away enough free money to everyone? You know, a plan BERNIE SANDERS proposed! AOC and Pelosi are also praising it (https://www.foxnews.com/politics/trumps-call-for-2000-stimulus-checks-hailed-by-critics-pelosi-aoc-sanders).
But TBH, I'd rather they just got rid of that bill ENTIELY. What's in the rest of that bill is WORSE than getting those $2K.Remember the 2008 stimulus bill? They had to pass it, to save the economy!
That's Doctor Jill Biden, the Doctor General, to you.Looks like Sydney Powell's star witness isn't just a fake Intelligence Officer, but a fake M.D. as well...
Speaking of fake MDs, I heard suggestions that they make Jill Bidan the Surgeon General.
Now can someone please tell me how Trump is the last stand against socialism and communism, while he's threatening a veto on the stimulus because it doesn't give away enough free money to everyone? You know, a plan BERNIE SANDERS proposed! AOC and Pelosi are also praising it (https://www.foxnews.com/politics/trumps-call-for-2000-stimulus-checks-hailed-by-critics-pelosi-aoc-sanders).
Now can someone please tell me how Trump is the last stand against socialism and communism, while he's threatening a veto on the stimulus because it doesn't give away enough free money to everyone? You know, a plan BERNIE SANDERS proposed! AOC and Pelosi are also praising it (https://www.foxnews.com/politics/trumps-call-for-2000-stimulus-checks-hailed-by-critics-pelosi-aoc-sanders).
I voted for Bernie Sanders in the 2016 primaries and donated to his campaign, so if anything that makes me like Trump even more.
But TBH, I'd rather they just got rid of that bill ENTIELY. What's in the rest of that bill is WORSE than getting those $2K.
Now can someone please tell me how Trump is the last stand against socialism and communism, while he's threatening a veto on the stimulus because it doesn't give away enough free money to everyone? You know, a plan BERNIE SANDERS proposed! AOC and Pelosi are also praising it (https://www.foxnews.com/politics/trumps-call-for-2000-stimulus-checks-hailed-by-critics-pelosi-aoc-sanders).
Sure. First of all, its patently absurd to pay 2700 dollars to receive 600 dollars, no matter how you parse it. Second this bill is one of the biggest (longest in terms of page count) in history, if not the absolute record holder (I believe it is, in fact, the record holder). Most of that 2100 dollars that American Tax Payers are spending to receive 600 dollars of 'stimulous' is not even going to projects or businesses in America, but are being paid to countries like Pakistan, Egypt and others.
Not that anyone is exactly certain, because in addition to being absurdly long, they were given a handful of hours to parse those 6000 thousand pages (That is ten pages per dollar received in stimulus, and 2 dollars and change for every dollars spent by a taxpayer...) so they could exercise informed consent in the performance of their representative duties.
As much as I enjoy getting money for sitting on my ass, this looks like a terrible deal on the face of it, and I'm glad its being quashed. I don't care who is doing the quashing, or who put their hands in my pocket to take all that money in the first place.
You fail.
I repeat: he's threatening to veto the bill BECAUSE IT DOESN'T GIVE ENOUGH MONEY AWAY FOR FREE TO EVERYONE. All the rest of that isn't the primary reason he's threatening a veto. He want's $2000 instead of $600 to everyone. If they just changed that one clause looks like he'd sign. He wants other stuff done too, but his primary objection is it's not enough free money to everyone.
So how is that not socialist?
No, claims that it was not a free and fair election likely require a showing by the preponderance of evidence (although assertions of criminality would require proof beyond a reasonable doubt).
You dont prove a negative dumbie
You prove it was free and fair, you dont prove that it was not.
First of all, its patently absurd to pay 2700 dollars to receive 600 dollars, no matter how you parse it.
Sydney Powell's secret intelligence source turns out to be a pro-trump podcaster. (https://www.seattletimes.com/nation-world/sidney-powells-secret-intelligence-contractor-witness-is-a-pro-trump-podcaster/) She's also a crook ("she used money she collected — ostensibly to fund homeless shelters and wreaths for veterans’ graves — on purchases for herself at McDonald’s, QVC and elsewhere") and a liar ("falsely claimed to be a medical doctor and to have both a Ph.D. and an MBA. They said she used multiple aliases and social security numbers and created exaggerated online résumés as part of what they called “a persistent effort … to deceive others.”").Not as gullible as someone quoting the Washington Post, which has been so far in the tank with Orange Man Bad they're less trustworthy than the Weekly World News.
How gullible must you be to have fallen for that?
Sydney Powell's secret intelligence source turns out to be a pro-trump podcaster. (https://www.seattletimes.com/nation-world/sidney-powells-secret-intelligence-contractor-witness-is-a-pro-trump-podcaster/) She's also a crook ("she used money she collected — ostensibly to fund homeless shelters and wreaths for veterans’ graves — on purchases for herself at McDonald’s, QVC and elsewhere") and a liar ("falsely claimed to be a medical doctor and to have both a Ph.D. and an MBA. They said she used multiple aliases and social security numbers and created exaggerated online résumés as part of what they called “a persistent effort … to deceive others.”").
How gullible must you be to have fallen for that?
Not as gullible as someone quoting the Washington Post, which has been so far in the tank with Orange Man Bad they're less trustworthy than the Weekly World News.
... you prove there was massive wrongdoing to change the election result, you don't prove that there was not.
Sydney Powell's secret intelligence source turns out to be a pro-trump podcaster. (https://www.seattletimes.com/nation-world/sidney-powells-secret-intelligence-contractor-witness-is-a-pro-trump-podcaster/) She's also a crook ("she used money she collected — ostensibly to fund homeless shelters and wreaths for veterans’ graves — on purchases for herself at McDonald’s, QVC and elsewhere") and a liar ("falsely claimed to be a medical doctor and to have both a Ph.D. and an MBA. They said she used multiple aliases and social security numbers and created exaggerated online résumés as part of what they called “a persistent effort … to deceive others.”").Not as gullible as someone quoting the Washington Post, which has been so far in the tank with Orange Man Bad they're less trustworthy than the Weekly World News.
How gullible must you be to have fallen for that?
Sydney Powell's secret intelligence source turns out to be a pro-trump podcaster. (https://www.seattletimes.com/nation-world/sidney-powells-secret-intelligence-contractor-witness-is-a-pro-trump-podcaster/) She's also a crook ("she used money she collected — ostensibly to fund homeless shelters and wreaths for veterans’ graves — on purchases for herself at McDonald’s, QVC and elsewhere") and a liar ("falsely claimed to be a medical doctor and to have both a Ph.D. and an MBA. They said she used multiple aliases and social security numbers and created exaggerated online résumés as part of what they called “a persistent effort … to deceive others.”").Not as gullible as someone quoting the Washington Post, which has been so far in the tank with Orange Man Bad they're less trustworthy than the Weekly World News.
How gullible must you be to have fallen for that?
"Maras-Lindeman reportedly acknowledged that she wrote the affidavit"
As LawAndCrime reports (https://lawandcrime.com/2020-election/in-a-kraken-christmas-carol-a-secret-sidney-powell-witnesss-yuletide-fraud-case-haunts-her-three-years-later/): "Three yuletide seasons ago, a North Dakota resident named Terpsichore “Tore” Maras-Lindeman promised a holiday concert that she billed as a “Magic City Christmas,” named after the roughly 40,000-population city of Minot where she promised to hold a concert to benefit three homeless shelters. The state’s attorney general discovered she spent what little she raised on GoFundMe at McDonald’s, Wal-Mart, Waxing the City, Target and other stores. Those findings were certified by a judge who slapped the purported do-gooder with more than $25,000 in civil penalties and attorneys’ fees earlier this year."
That's her. That's your patriotic super spy hero. Just another scumbag fraudster.
And as mentioned above by the Seattle Times, she was also caught faking her credentials previously, including fake social security card, fact claims to be a medical doctor, etc..
She's a huckster. You fell for a grift.
Looks like Sydney Powell's star witness isn't just a fake Intelligence Officer, but a fake M.D. as well...
Speaking of fake MDs, I heard suggestions that they make Jill Bidan the Surgeon General.
... you prove there was massive wrongdoing to change the election result, you don't prove that there was not.
A free and fair election does not do things like this:
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so therefore you need to prove it was free and fair.
Looks like Sydney Powell's star witness isn't just a fake Intelligence Officer, but a fake M.D. as well...
Speaking of fake MDs, I heard suggestions that they make Jill Bidan the Surgeon General.
Jill Biden never claimed to be an M.D., though? But, since you're so up in arms about phony credentials, Sebastian Gorka is that way.
Greetings!
What? Wait, Shasarak! Covering windows, obscuring observation of voting proceedings, and preventing opposition party observers to supervise and otherwise participate in elections isn't fair, honest, and transparent? ;D
But the Leftist Democrats here insist that the 2020 Election has been just fine! "The most secure and safe election EVAR!!!" ;D
Semper Fidelis,
SHARK
Looks like Sydney Powell's star witness isn't just a fake Intelligence Officer, but a fake M.D. as well...
Speaking of fake MDs, I heard suggestions that they make Jill Bidan the Surgeon General.
Jill Biden never claimed to be an M.D., though? But, since you're so up in arms about phony credentials, Sebastian Gorka is that way.
YOU HIT THE NAIL ON THE HEAD! Doctor Lite:Looks like Sydney Powell's star witness isn't just a fake Intelligence Officer, but a fake M.D. as well...
Speaking of fake MDs, I heard suggestions that they make Jill Bidan the Surgeon General.
Jill Biden never claimed to be an M.D., though? But, since you're so up in arms about phony credentials, Sebastian Gorka is that way.
Did Doctor Biden not claim to be an M.D.? What an odd thing for a Doctor to have to do, to claim that they are a Doctor but not actually a "real" Doctor.
So a Doctor Lite? An Almost Doctor? A Doctor of Education? A Whats up, Doc?
My degree says "Doctorate of Jurisprudence":o
The only time I have ever called myself a Doctor is as an obvious joke, to one other lawyer who was making that same stupid joke. It would be very silly to actually call myself Doctor. I went to school for 3 extra years. That's not a doctor.
... you prove there was massive wrongdoing to change the election result, you don't prove that there was not.
A free and fair election does not do things like this:
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so therefore you need to prove it was free and fair.
My degree says "Doctorate of Jurisprudence"
The only time I have ever called myself a Doctor is as an obvious joke, to one other lawyer who was making that same stupid joke. It would be very silly to actually call myself Doctor. I went to school for 3 extra years. That's not a doctor.
My degree says "Doctorate of Jurisprudence"
The only time I have ever called myself a Doctor is as an obvious joke, to one other lawyer who was making that same stupid joke. It would be very silly to actually call myself Doctor. I went to school for 3 extra years. That's not a doctor.
It is not customary to refer to a JD as Doctor. Most lawyers would have this degree in the US, since most states require it for bar admission. (I expect that most law school professors would be called Doctor, even if JD is their only doctorate.) But lawyers do get to call themselves Esquire.
The distinction for both PhDs and EdDs is writing a dissertation, which is a big deal. It is customary for those who hold these degrees to be called Doctor, at least in academic positions. It is not inappropriate for Dr. Jill Biden to use that title.
Jill Biden never claimed to be an M.D., though? But, since you're so up in arms about phony credentials, Sebastian Gorka is that way.Gorka is another example.
My degree says "Doctorate of Jurisprudence"
The only time I have ever called myself a Doctor is as an obvious joke, to one other lawyer who was making that same stupid joke. It would be very silly to actually call myself Doctor. I went to school for 3 extra years. That's not a doctor.
It is not customary to refer to a JD as Doctor. Most lawyers would have this degree in the US, since most states require it for bar admission. (I expect that most law school professors would be called Doctor, even if JD is their only doctorate.) But lawyers do get to call themselves Esquire.
The distinction for both PhDs and EdDs is writing a dissertation, which is a big deal. It is customary for those who hold these degrees to be called Doctor, at least in academic positions. It is not inappropriate for Dr. Jill Biden to use that title.
Again, my degree says Doctorate of Jurisprudence, not Juris Doctorate. They are the same thing. I did have to write a big deal publishable paper by the way. Maybe that is why it was phrased as a Doctorate first and Jurisprudence second, maybe it's because it was one of the oldest law schools and they had an older tradition, I dunno.
Almost zero law school professors were called Doctor. The one I recall had a medical degree.
I was not speaking to Jill Biden. I am just speaking to the claim that all degrees which say Doctorate are the same for whether you call them Doctor. They're not all the same treatment.
Jill Biden never claimed to be an M.D., though? But, since you're so up in arms about phony credentials, Sebastian Gorka is that way.Gorka is another example.
Make fun of him while you're making fun of the 46th First Doctor.
A free and fair election does not do things like this:
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so therefore you need to prove it was free and fair.
You are a month and a half late with this. 200+ observers from each party were present. Trump supporters tried the Brooks Brothers riot (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brooks_Brothers_riot) trick, but election officials are apparently now wise to that. The windows were covered because people outside were videotaping the counting, when absentee ballots with voter information on the envelopes were opened and the ballots showing how the voter voted were removed. You should respect the secret ballot.
https://www.cnn.com/2020/11/05/media/detroit-windows-covered-ballots-vote-center/index.html
Honestly, I think the whole "Jill Biden is not a Doctor!" is just as ridiculous as claiming Sebastian Gorka is not a Doctor. Yes, they are both doctors, both have PH.D's. Yes, neither one is a *medical doctor*--their respective credentials are in other fields--and this I think may be one of the reasons medical doctors have "Dr. John Smith, M.D." after their names. After reading some of these articles about medical commissions, newspaper editing standards in Canada, whatever, claiming to not call PH.D's "Doctor" and hospitals making particular distinctions about staff--*shrugs* I don't know. Maybe I'm wrong, though at my university, students, administrators, and faculty alike routinely made references to "Yes, this Philosophy class is taught by Dr. Robert Smith" ...
So much of this just seems petty to me. People that have PH.D's have attended school for 8 years or more, and have earned respect for their work. They are no less educated than a medical doctor, though have focused their academic efforts and expertise on a different field other than medicine. I think that both Dr. Jill Biden and Dr. Sebastian Gorka would likely agree with me.
So, the claims of many witnesses testifying under Affidavit--that they saw fraud, that GOP observers were sent home, obstructed from proper participation and supervision, with many also being kept 20, 30, 60 feet or more away--so they couldn't check for a fucking thing--all of that is just bullshit, right?
All of these people's testimonies, all of the videos showing fraud and "irregularities" that's all just conspiracy theory bullshit, right?
Honestly, I think the whole "Jill Biden is not a Doctor!" is just as ridiculous as claiming Sebastian Gorka is not a Doctor. Yes, they are both doctors, both have PH.D's. Yes, neither one is a *medical doctor*--their respective credentials are in other fields--and this I think may be one of the reasons medical doctors have "Dr. John Smith, M.D." after their names. After reading some of these articles about medical commissions, newspaper editing standards in Canada, whatever, claiming to not call PH.D's "Doctor" and hospitals making particular distinctions about staff--*shrugs* I don't know. Maybe I'm wrong, though at my university, students, administrators, and faculty alike routinely made references to "Yes, this Philosophy class is taught by Dr. Robert Smith" ...So much of this just seems petty to me. People that have PH.D's have attended school for 8 years or more, and have earned respect for their work. They are no less educated than a medical doctor, though have focused their academic efforts and expertise on a different field other than medicine. I think that both Dr. Jill Biden and Dr. Sebastian Gorka would likely agree with me.
Thanks, SHARK. I think like many things in English, the usage of the "Dr." honorific is inconsistent in practice. Some people with doctoral degrees use it, some don't. It's just one of those things. I can see someone arguing that we should move more towards consistency -- but that shouldn't be by attacking people like Dr. Biden or Dr. Gorka. They're justified in using it, because there are a lot of people who do use it that way.
I agree it's a petty thing to argue over, rather than the substance of political positions.
(For disclosure: I have a PhD in physics. I rarely use the title, but if I do use it, I would get annoyed at someone who called me out for doing so, since it is correct.)
Greetings!
So, the claims of many witnesses testifying under Affidavit--that they saw fraud, that GOP observers were sent home, obstructed from proper participation and supervision, with many also being kept 20, 30, 60 feet or more away--so they couldn't check for a fucking thing--all of that is just bullshit, right?
All of these people's testimonies, all of the videos showing fraud and "irregularities" that's all just conspiracy theory bullshit, right?
Semper Fidelis,
SHARK
First of all, its patently absurd to pay 2700 dollars to receive 600 dollars, no matter how you parse it.
Depending on when you have to repay it, that would make perfect sense; many people borrow money to buy a house or car now, and repay a greater amount over time. For federal debt, it often never gets paid off; it simply diminishes in significance as the economy grows. The US owed more than its GDP at the end of World War II and never really paid off most of it; the economy grew so that the present day value of that debt, less the $3 trillion, is not really a significant part of the national debt.
Its not proving a stolen election. It is about proving that the election was legitimate.
You are confused; the burden of proof is still with those claiming it is not legitimate.Will Pence Save America?
https://twitter.com/TheRightMelissa/status/1341579724687073280
As President of the Senate, @Mike_Pence has sole power to tell the states he will not accept their electors b/c they vioated the Constittion. At this point the legislatures will either have to select new electors or stand down This will put Dems on defense from now till Jan 6th. He cannot LEGALLY accept fraudelent electors Dec 23rd is his highest call of duty is to defend the Constitution from the States failure to follow it. These States are in breach of contract of the Constitution by allowing Governors to circumvent State legislatures.
This is in error; Pence does not decide if votes are fraudulent. The House and Senate decide if the electoral votes of any state objected to count or not, provided at least one Representative and one Senator sign onto the objection. The default is to accept the slate of electors for each state that met the safe harbor deadline. The House will not agree with any objection to Biden electors unless some actual evidence is produced, which has so far been a complete failure, and that dooms any objection (which probably won't get enough support in the Senate either, as enough Republicans have already dismissed the idea).
https://crsreports.congress.gov/product/pdf/IF/IF11641
You dont accept an unverified election because elections are not inherently innocent until proven guilty.
You need to prove that it was both a free and fair election.
Nope nope nope. Line crossed. You do not get to use the history of my families pain and death in your stupid political ranting bullshit. I mean you have the free speech right but you don't have the right to be consequence free from that fucking bullshit antic.
No, there are no concentration camps. No, nothing going on in America is comparable to Auschwitz, and nothing anyone wants to "create" is either. Yes, you're a complete fucking creepy asshole for claiming there is or plans to be. No, there is no defense other than 'I am sorry you're right I went to far on that one' for that comment.
If they're going to give money away to favored corporate interests and NGOs, might as well give some to normal people.
Romney's GOP has no ground to stand on here. They love to give away money to everyone except joe lunchpail.
If they're going to give money away to favored corporate interests and NGOs, might as well give some to normal people.
Romney's GOP has no ground to stand on here. They love to give away money to everyone except joe lunchpail.
What's truly funny (or scary, depending on how you look at it) is that if Trump had come out for the $2000 payments before the election, he most likely would have won.
If he had got it passed before the election, I think it would have been a landslide like Obama in 2008. This probably would have meant throwing his Senate majority under the bus, but with the White House on the line it's a small price to pay.
First of all, its patently absurd to pay 2700 dollars to receive 600 dollars, no matter how you parse it.
Depending on when you have to repay it, that would make perfect sense; many people borrow money to buy a house or car now, and repay a greater amount over time. For federal debt, it often never gets paid off; it simply diminishes in significance as the economy grows. The US owed more than its GDP at the end of World War II and never really paid off most of it; the economy grew so that the present day value of that debt, less the $3 trillion, is not really a significant part of the national debt.
See... A lot of think that is BAD.
People think that car loans, home mortgages and economic growth are bad? LOL.
The swing by Republicans to being deficit hawks is well under way, since they have no expectation of tax cuts for the rich during a Democratic administration. They'll be back to their supply side trickle down fantasies if they get a Republican back in the White House. As it has always been since Ronald Reagan.
People think that car loans, home mortgages and economic growth are bad? LOL.
The swing by Republicans to being deficit hawks is well under way, since they have no expectation of tax cuts for the rich during a Democratic administration. They'll be back to their supply side trickle down fantasies if they get a Republican back in the White House. As it has always been since Ronald Reagan.
Considering people getting home loans they were unable to pay off is what caused the market crash leading to the great recession, I would say the answer is
...borrowing money that you are incapable of paying back is bad.
The United States is not incapable of paying off its debts. Indeed, the current interest rates it pays are below the rate of inflation. The countercyclical spending of the federal government is what keeps a Great Recession from becoming a second Great Depression.
I would say the problem in 2008 was lenders misleading borrowers to give bad loans and passing off those bad subprime loans to unsuspecting investors. But home mortgages are not themselves bad.
The federal debt is north of $25 trillion, and that doesn't include future commitments. The fiscal gap, which includes those commitments calculated over an infinite time horizon, was over $200 trillion the last time the CBO reported it.
People think that car loans, home mortgages and economic growth are bad? LOL.
The swing by Republicans to being deficit hawks is well under way, since they have no expectation of tax cuts for the rich during a Democratic administration. They'll be back to their supply side trickle down fantasies if they get a Republican back in the White House. As it has always been since Ronald Reagan.
Considering people getting home loans they were unable to pay off is what caused the market crash leading to the great recession, I would say the answer is
...borrowing money that you are incapable of paying back is bad.
The United States is not incapable of paying off its debts. Indeed, the current interest rates it pays are below the rate of inflation. The countercyclical spending of the federal government is what keeps a Great Recession from becoming a second Great Depression.
I would say the problem in 2008 was lenders misleading borrowers to give bad loans and passing off those bad subprime loans to unsuspecting investors. But home mortgages are not themselves bad.
There's no feasible way to pay that off any time in the near future. The only real option is to cut the government spending in half and keep it that level, keep taxes at current levels, and hope growth continues for about 50 to 100 years. At that point, it might be doable.
I’m glad the $600 bonus is coming my way. We can all bet our sweet asses we’re not getting the $2000+.
The federal debt is north of $25 trillion, and that doesn't include future commitments. The fiscal gap, which includes those commitments calculated over an infinite time horizon, was over $200 trillion the last time the CBO reported it.
There's no feasible way to pay that off any time in the near future. The only real option is to cut the government spending in half and keep it that level, keep taxes at current levels, and hope growth continues for about 50 to 100 years. At that point, it might be doable.
I’m glad the $600 bonus is coming my way. We can all bet our sweet asses we’re not getting the $2000+.
You were never gonna get $2k originally anyway,
and they got rid of the pork, which was an even bigger issue, and replaced it with better stuff that's actually necessary, such as looking into Section 230. Also an investigation into voter fraud. My main concern is that they might get rid of Section 230 rather than actually reform it, which would be a bad thing for the internet, since Section 230 is necessary, it just lacks a provision to remove Section 230 protections from companies that act as a publisher.
I'm not hugely keen on the attention 230 is getting, as my worry is that it'll be used to suppress online speech if it's altered or deleted. I understand Trump's frustration -- Big Tech has happily gotten in bed with the Democrats and did the thing with their forked tongue to help them -- but I'm not sure this is the way to fix it.I’m glad the $600 bonus is coming my way. We can all bet our sweet asses we’re not getting the $2000+.
You were never gonna get $2k originally anyway, and they got rid of the pork, which was an even bigger issue, and replaced it with better stuff that's actually necessary, such as looking into Section 230. Also an investigation into voter fraud. My main concern is that they might get rid of Section 230 rather than actually reform it, which would be a bad thing for the internet, since Section 230 is necessary, it just lacks a provision to remove Section 230 protections from companies that act as a publisher.
You can thank Naci Pelosi for this whole mess, as covered in the video I posted in my prior post. :P
You can take a large chunk out of it by assessing a $5/5% (whichever is higher) fee on every stock, commodity or bond transaction. In 2008 there were over 400 billion stock transactions in the USA. At $5 a pop, that's over $2 trillion from stock trades alone. If they use half of that every year and avoid wars for the next 20 years, it could be paid off entirely -or at least reduced enough so that interest on the debt would only cost a small fraction of what it does now.
So no, Chicken Little, the sky isn't falling.
You can take a large chunk out of it by assessing a $5/5% (whichever is higher) fee on every stock, commodity or bond transaction. In 2008 there were over 400 billion stock transactions in the USA. At $5 a pop, that's over $2 trillion from stock trades alone. If they use half of that every year and avoid wars for the next 20 years, it could be paid off entirely -or at least reduced enough so that interest on the debt would only cost a small fraction of what it does now.
So no, Chicken Little, the sky isn't falling.
Great idea. Let's implement a policy that will have a chilling effect on investment and eat into people's retirement.
You can take a large chunk out of it by assessing a $5/5% (whichever is higher) fee on every stock, commodity or bond transaction. In 2008 there were over 400 billion stock transactions in the USA. At $5 a pop, that's over $2 trillion from stock trades alone. If they use half of that every year and avoid wars for the next 20 years, it could be paid off entirely -or at least reduced enough so that interest on the debt would only cost a small fraction of what it does now.
So no, Chicken Little, the sky isn't falling.
Great idea. Let's implement a policy that will have a chilling effect on investment and eat into people's retirement.
The federal debt is north of $25 trillion, and that doesn't include future commitments. The fiscal gap, which includes those commitments calculated over an infinite time horizon, was over $200 trillion the last time the CBO reported it.
There's no feasible way to pay that off any time in the near future. The only real option is to cut the government spending in half and keep it that level, keep taxes at current levels, and hope growth continues for about 50 to 100 years. At that point, it might be doable.
The government is very poor at countercyclical spending. They spend heavily in economic downturns, and keep spending heavily in economic upturns. Even by Keynesian standards, the government has been doing a bad job.
The other explanation is it's entirely the fault of the government. By printing money to keep interest rates low, or to inject liquidity during economic downturns, they're keeping companies in business when they should be failing, and creating a false optimism that leads to a surge in investments without any corresponding increase in demand. This excess capacity and deadwood eventually has to be cleared out, leading to another economic downturn. The cyclical boom-bust cycle is caused by government intervention.
and they got rid of the pork, which was an even bigger issue, and replaced it with better stuff that's actually necessary, such as looking into Section 230. Also an investigation into voter fraud. My main concern is that they might get rid of Section 230 rather than actually reform it, which would be a bad thing for the internet, since Section 230 is necessary, it just lacks a provision to remove Section 230 protections from companies that act as a publisher.
So you think it's good that the small chance of getting $2000 to everyone was scrapped so another investigation can turn up the same results that Trump's hand-picked panel found last time? You're a chump.
The federal debt is north of $25 trillion, and that doesn't include future commitments. The fiscal gap, which includes those commitments calculated over an infinite time horizon, was over $200 trillion the last time the CBO reported it.
There's no feasible way to pay that off any time in the near future. The only real option is to cut the government spending in half and keep it that level, keep taxes at current levels, and hope growth continues for about 50 to 100 years. At that point, it might be doable.
What pisses me off about Republicans is that they frequently claim this as a principle, but they only *increase* spending and *increase* the deficit - even during economic upturns. Spending and deficit increase more under Republican administrations. The common strategy of Reagan, Bush Sr, Bush Jr, and Trump is that supposedly by cutting taxes, then growth will pay for their increased spending -- but that never actually materializes. Instead, the deficit and debt just keep getting larger under Republican control.
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Source: https://www.forbes.com/sites/mikepatton/2020/08/14/national-debt-to-surpass-78-trillion-by-2028-what-it-means-for-americans/
But somehow, Republicans continue to claim that Democrats are the problem spenders. This isn't to say that Democrats are much better - it is a bipartisan problem, but the Republican rhetoric is that somehow they're better for the economy -- when their track record is worse.
In general, it seems to me our debt-to-GDP ratio is roughly in the same range as many other first-world countries. We're #10 in the world, and #4 in the G20. So it's high, but we have less than Japan, Italy, and Singapore - and roughly on par with France. (ref) (https://tradingeconomics.com/country-list/government-debt-to-gdp) And we have tons of assets, so it's not like we couldn't pay in an emergency. Our borrowing seems more like getting a HELOC on a house than credit card debt - especially given the low interest rate the government pays.
I agree it should be paid down, the question is how. I don't have an exact recipe -- but I don't agree with repeating the same strategies used over and over by Republicans that got us into this state.The government is very poor at countercyclical spending. They spend heavily in economic downturns, and keep spending heavily in economic upturns. Even by Keynesian standards, the government has been doing a bad job.
The other explanation is it's entirely the fault of the government. By printing money to keep interest rates low, or to inject liquidity during economic downturns, they're keeping companies in business when they should be failing, and creating a false optimism that leads to a surge in investments without any corresponding increase in demand. This excess capacity and deadwood eventually has to be cleared out, leading to another economic downturn. The cyclical boom-bust cycle is caused by government intervention.
I agree about spending. We should spend more in stimulus and aid during economic downturns, and less in economic upturns. As for the problem of the government -- the question is, this presumes that there is a natural default government behavior that avoids boom-bust. Looking in history and across the world, countries like Switzerland, Germany, and Sweden are rated as the most economically stable. However, their policies don't correspond to libertarian ideals. They have plenty of government intervention, plus things like universal healthcare and other social programs.
The United States is not incapable of paying off its debts. Indeed, the current interest rates it pays are below the rate of inflation. The countercyclical spending of the federal government is what keeps a Great Recession from becoming a second Great Depression.
I would say the problem in 2008 was lenders misleading borrowers to give bad loans and passing off those bad subprime loans to unsuspecting investors. But home mortgages are not themselves bad.
Whut?... What manner of insanity is this?... Currently, the US is not capable of paying off its debts. Doing so would bankrupt the federal government and would create an inflationary spiral so bad, it would make the stock market crash of 1927, and the economic depression that followed look like a picnic.
The federal debt is north of $25 trillion, and that doesn't include future commitments. The fiscal gap, which includes those commitments calculated over an infinite time horizon, was over $200 trillion the last time the CBO reported it.
There's no feasible way to pay that off any time in the near future. The only real option is to cut the government spending in half and keep it that level, keep taxes at current levels, and hope growth continues for about 50 to 100 years. At that point, it might be doable.
The investigation is probably never going to happen, but it would be nice to actually have one, as opposed to the side that benefits from one yelling that there's fire and the one that doesn't refusing to investigate, then pretending that nothing was ever found when they didn't even look.
What pisses me off about Republicans is that they frequently claim this as a principle, but they only *increase* spending and *increase* the deficit - even during economic upturns. Spending and deficit increase more under Republican administrations. The common strategy of Reagan, Bush Sr, Bush Jr, and Trump is that supposedly by cutting taxes, then growth will pay for their increased spending -- but that never actually materializes. Instead, the deficit and debt just keep getting larger under Republican control.
Don't disagree, but Trump's debt in that graph includes the first stimulus check...AFTER the lockdowns that Democrats demanded. So it's hardly all Trump's fault. Both parties are complete garbage, though, and they've been sending us down to ruin for DECADES. The only solution at this point involves guillotines.
The U.S. spent nearly $1 trillion more in fiscal 2019 than it took in—the highest deficit in seven years that would have been bigger without a rebound in corporate tax revenue.Source: https://www.wsj.com/articles/u-s-budget-gap-widened-to-984-billion-in-fiscal-2019-11572026473
Government deficits have now increased for four years in a row, the longest stretch of U.S. deficit growth since the early 1980s, a period marked by two recessions and a jobless rate near 11%. The budget gap widened 26% in the fiscal year that ended Sept. 30, to $984 billion from $779 billion deficit the previous year, the Treasury said, as rising government outlays continued to outpace tax collection.
The federal debt is north of $25 trillion, and that doesn't include future commitments. The fiscal gap, which includes those commitments calculated over an infinite time horizon, was over $200 trillion the last time the CBO reported it.
Oh NOES! If you add up all your future electric bills til the end of time as one lump sum and ignore the fact that you will (I hope) draw a few paychecks between now and the end of the world, it looks like an insurmountable bill to keep the lights on. Oh wait...QuoteThere's no feasible way to pay that off any time in the near future. The only real option is to cut the government spending in half and keep it that level, keep taxes at current levels, and hope growth continues for about 50 to 100 years. At that point, it might be doable.
You can take a large chunk out of it by assessing a $5/5% (whichever is higher) fee on every stock, commodity or bond transaction. In 2008 there were over 400 billion stock transactions in the USA. At $5 a pop, that's over $2 trillion from stock trades alone. If they use half of that every year and avoid wars for the next 20 years, it could be paid off entirely -or at least reduced enough so that interest on the debt would only cost a small fraction of what it does now.
So no, Chicken Little, the sky isn't falling.
What pisses me off about Republicans is that they frequently claim this as a principle, but they only *increase* spending and *increase* the deficit - even during economic upturns. Spending and deficit increase more under Republican administrations. The common strategy of Reagan, Bush Sr, Bush Jr, and Trump is that supposedly by cutting taxes, then growth will pay for their increased spending -- but that never actually materializes. Instead, the deficit and debt just keep getting larger under Republican control.Both wings of the uniparty are on the catastrophically horrible side of the fiscal spectrum. Your delusion that the Democratics are better is just as risible as the contention at the Republicans are better. They both blow out the deficit.
Yet you claimed that 5% would raise $2 trillion/year, which is roughly half the yearly revenue of the entire federal government, from all types of taxes.
You can take a large chunk out of it by assessing a $5/5% (whichever is higher) fee on every stock, commodity or bond transaction. In 2008 there were over 400 billion stock transactions in the USA. At $5 a pop, that's over $2 trillion from stock trades alone. If they use half of that every year and avoid wars for the next 20 years, it could be paid off entirely -or at least reduced enough so that interest on the debt would only cost a small fraction of what it does now.
So no, Chicken Little, the sky isn't falling.
Great idea. Let's implement a policy that will have a chilling effect on investment and eat into people's retirement.
Drama queen much? Five percent would be less than the sales taxes paid in 38 of the 50 states by everyone who buys other goods and services. Feel free to show the "chilling effect" sales taxes have had on retail sales. Oh, and if you're really concerned about retirement, you'd back a bill that sets up something like the FDIC, only for pensions since pension theft is a real threat to retirement.
Both wings of the uniparty are on the catastrophically horrible side of the fiscal spectrum. Your delusion that the Democratics are better is just as risible as the contention at the Republicans are better. They both blow out the deficit.
Well, it really set in for me today that it's the end of the Trump presidency. 90% of all turnarounds are gone. I'm not holding out hope for some miracle.The black comedy in watching Sleepy Joe blather about 'healing' while people are demanding the persecution of everyone even tangentially aligned with the Trump administration is amazing.
Fraud or not, I don't want to go back to the time of pretend peace and unity. If you think I'm scum and want to piss on my leg-aight. But don't tell me its raining.
Gonna be a bumpy four years. But hey, this is the future they chose. Don't blame us if it ends poorly.The utterly infuriating thing is that they will. No commie has ever admitted to just having a bad idea-just bad actors or sabotage.
"Regardless of what people say about or to me, I WILL NEVER BE SILENCED WITH THE TRUTH IN MY HANDS! The truth will set all free from the bonds of lies. ... it is given freely to all who listen." -Anonymous
While I like to keep things light, lately I have found my self and others having a lack of maturity and vision. A thread was closed because of this. Let's keep things civil and lively!
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The Left is in Despair, their killing game is almost over:
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2020/12/mathematician-bobby-piton-finds-500000-unique-last-names-pennsylvania-sophisticated-state-actor-able-optimize-desired-outcome/
Bobby Piton, the mathematician who testified at the Arizona voter fraud hearing dropped a bombshell this weekend. Piton revealed this weekend that he examined just over 9 million records in Pennsylvania and has identified 521,879 unique last names. In other words, these people have no parents, siblings, aunts, uncles or cousins who share the same last name (phantom voters). Pennsylvania has 695,430 Fewer People in the top 1000 Last Names. Bobby Piton found that there were fewer people with common surnames such as Smith, Jackson, Johnson. Bobby Piton essentially discovered where those 695,000+ illegal ballots came from in Pennsylvania. President Trump was ahead of Joe Biden by over 700,000 votes on election night in Pennsylvania and within a few days after the election, hundreds of thousands of ballots appeared for Joe Biden. Between 695,000 to 958,000 voters just got up and vanished out of Pennsylvania! Based on Piton’s findings, it appears that a centralized actor was calling the shots. Bobby Piton says a sophisticated State Actor was able to optimize a desired outcome for both the state of Georgia and Pennsylvania.
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2020/12/evidence-foreign-influence-2020-election-nevada-secretary-state-caught-sending-voter-data-list-pakistani-firm-linked-isi/
Catherine Engelbrecht is the Founder and President of True The Vote the nation’s largest voters’ rights group. In November True the Vote wrote the Nevada Secretary of State for the eligible voter list report. When the Secretary of State responded True the Vote was shocked to see that waqas@kavtech.net was cc’ed. True the Vote later wrote the Assistant Attorney General for National Security John C. Demers about the date breach. The letter obtained exclusively by Breitbart News that when the email arrived, “I was shocked to see the inclusion of another email address in the CC line.” https://v1.nitrocdn.com/PtUefQrfncdsWOjilqcqdvGyQbUvpoWC/assets/static/source/rev-8b632d2/wp-content/uploads/engelbrecht-1-666x479.jpg
https://twitter.com/PatrickByrne/status/1343564483583766530
Whats next?
Amazingly, the Electoral College vote can be challenged under federal law and the United States Constitution. Republican electors in seven contested states cast alternate votes for Donald Trump to keep their legal options open. State legislatures retain their constitutional authority to offer alternative slates of electors. And Congress is the ultimate arbiter of the race since the ballot count can be contested during the joint session on January 6. If Brooks and one Senator object to certain state elector slates, then all bets are off. On January 6, Republicans may control the Senate and have strength in the House, just one Senator could step up and begin to change the course of history!
https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2020/12/23/fitton-hope-for-a-failed-election/
https://electionwiz.com/2020/12/28/mo-brooks-dozens-in-the-house-will-sponsor-objections-to-biden-video/
Republican Texas Rep. Louie Gohmert and a group of other GOP figures filed a lawsuit Sunday against Vice President Mike Pence in an effort to overturn the 2020 presidential election. The lawsuit focuses on Pence, who will oversee the upcoming Jan. 6 meeting of Congress to count states’ electoral votes and finalize President-elect Joe Biden’s victory over President Donald Trump: https://dailycaller.com/2020/12/28/louie-gohmert-republicans-sue-mike-pence-overturn-presidential-election-biden-kelli-ward/
This could mean TREASON:
https://twitter.com/Lrihendry/status/1343550784286371841
None of this is true but thanks for sharing I guess.
Also, when was your diagnosis of serious mental illness and what meds are you on?
You are defending the posting of nonsense and demanding "compelling and true evidence" only for the counterclaim. You're a fucking idiot.
None of this is true but thanks for sharing I guess.
Also, when was your diagnosis of serious mental illness and what meds are you on?
Prove it is not true. Just because you say so, means absolutely nothing here. You have to offer compelling and true evidence. Until then, these allegations should be investigated further.
"Regardless of what people say about or to me, I WILL NEVER BE SILENCED WITH THE TRUTH IN MY HANDS! The truth will set all free from the bonds of lies. ... it is given freely to all who listen." -Anonymous
While I like to keep things light, lately I have found my self and others having a lack of maturity and vision. A thread was closed because of this. Let's keep things civil and lively!
You are defending the posting of nonsense and demanding "compelling and true evidence" only for the counterclaim. You're a fucking idiot.
None of this is true but thanks for sharing I guess.
Also, when was your diagnosis of serious mental illness and what meds are you on?
Prove it is not true. Just because you say so, means absolutely nothing here. You have to offer compelling and true evidence. Until then, these allegations should be investigated further.
None of this is true but thanks for sharing I guess.
Also, when was your diagnosis of serious mental illness and what meds are you on?
Prove it is not true. Just because you say so, means absolutely nothing here. You have to offer compelling and true evidence. Until then, these allegations should be investigated further.
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2020/12/mathematician-bobby-piton-finds-500000-unique-last-names-pennsylvania-sophisticated-state-actor-able-optimize-desired-outcome/
Census respondents reported about 6.3 million surnames in 2010. Of these, only 11 were reported more than a million times each. The vast majority — 62 percent — were reported only once.Source: https://www.census.gov/library/stories/2017/08/what-is-in-a-name.html
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2020/12/evidence-foreign-influence-2020-election-nevada-secretary-state-caught-sending-voter-data-list-pakistani-firm-linked-isi/
Amazingly, the Electoral College vote can be challenged under federal law and the United States Constitution.
https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2020/12/23/fitton-hope-for-a-failed-election/
https://electionwiz.com/2020/12/28/mo-brooks-dozens-in-the-house-will-sponsor-objections-to-biden-video/
https://dailycaller.com/2020/12/28/louie-gohmert-republicans-sue-mike-pence-overturn-presidential-election-biden-kelli-ward/
Careful there, buddy. Last time you shit yourself, you got a thread locked.You are defending the posting of nonsense and demanding "compelling and true evidence" only for the counterclaim. You're a fucking idiot.
None of this is true but thanks for sharing I guess.
Also, when was your diagnosis of serious mental illness and what meds are you on?
Prove it is not true. Just because you say so, means absolutely nothing here. You have to offer compelling and true evidence. Until then, these allegations should be investigated further.
Says the fucking idiot declaring supported claims to be "nonsense" without bothering to debunk their evidence, provide evidence against them, or even offer some sort of argument. I bet you think that the burden of proof is 100% on the guy who already provided half a dozen links to support his claims, but you not liking what's behind those links doesn't make them automatically false, retard.
Careful there, buddy. Last time you shit yourself, you got a thread locked.You are defending the posting of nonsense and demanding "compelling and true evidence" only for the counterclaim. You're a fucking idiot.
None of this is true but thanks for sharing I guess.
Also, when was your diagnosis of serious mental illness and what meds are you on?
Prove it is not true. Just because you say so, means absolutely nothing here. You have to offer compelling and true evidence. Until then, these allegations should be investigated further.
Says the fucking idiot declaring supported claims to be "nonsense" without bothering to debunk their evidence, provide evidence against them, or even offer some sort of argument. I bet you think that the burden of proof is 100% on the guy who already provided half a dozen links to support his claims, but you not liking what's behind those links doesn't make them automatically false, retard.
And yes, I think the guy posting the links should take the time to verify what he's linking to.
You ignorant bitch, shitstain bowed out of this thread pages ago.Careful there, buddy. Last time you shit yourself, you got a thread locked.You are defending the posting of nonsense and demanding "compelling and true evidence" only for the counterclaim. You're a fucking idiot.
None of this is true but thanks for sharing I guess.
Also, when was your diagnosis of serious mental illness and what meds are you on?
Prove it is not true. Just because you say so, means absolutely nothing here. You have to offer compelling and true evidence. Until then, these allegations should be investigated further.
Says the fucking idiot declaring supported claims to be "nonsense" without bothering to debunk their evidence, provide evidence against them, or even offer some sort of argument. I bet you think that the burden of proof is 100% on the guy who already provided half a dozen links to support his claims, but you not liking what's behind those links doesn't make them automatically false, retard.
And yes, I think the guy posting the links should take the time to verify what he's linking to.
Whatever, "shitstain".
You're just gonna dismiss whatever anyone posts anyways, so I don't know what "verification" anyone could do that would pass your shifting standards.
"Regardless of what people say about or to me, I WILL NEVER BE SILENCED WITH THE TRUTH IN MY HANDS! The truth will set all free from the bonds of lies. ... it is given freely to all who listen." -Anonymous
While I like to keep things light, lately I have found my self and others having a lack of maturity and vision. A thread was closed because of this. Let's keep things civil and lively!
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The Left is in Despair, their killing game is almost over:
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2020/12/mathematician-bobby-piton-finds-500000-unique-last-names-pennsylvania-sophisticated-state-actor-able-optimize-desired-outcome/
Bobby Piton, the mathematician who testified at the Arizona voter fraud hearing dropped a bombshell this weekend. Piton revealed this weekend that he examined just over 9 million records in Pennsylvania and has identified 521,879 unique last names. In other words, these people have no parents, siblings, aunts, uncles or cousins who share the same last name (phantom voters). Pennsylvania has 695,430 Fewer People in the top 1000 Last Names. Bobby Piton found that there were fewer people with common surnames such as Smith, Jackson, Johnson. Bobby Piton essentially discovered where those 695,000+ illegal ballots came from in Pennsylvania. President Trump was ahead of Joe Biden by over 700,000 votes on election night in Pennsylvania and within a few days after the election, hundreds of thousands of ballots appeared for Joe Biden. Between 695,000 to 958,000 voters just got up and vanished out of Pennsylvania! Based on Piton’s findings, it appears that a centralized actor was calling the shots. Bobby Piton says a sophisticated State Actor was able to optimize a desired outcome for both the state of Georgia and Pennsylvania.
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2020/12/evidence-foreign-influence-2020-election-nevada-secretary-state-caught-sending-voter-data-list-pakistani-firm-linked-isi/
Catherine Engelbrecht is the Founder and President of True The Vote the nation’s largest voters’ rights group. In November True the Vote wrote the Nevada Secretary of State for the eligible voter list report. When the Secretary of State responded True the Vote was shocked to see that waqas@kavtech.net was cc’ed. True the Vote later wrote the Assistant Attorney General for National Security John C. Demers about the date breach. The letter obtained exclusively by Breitbart News that when the email arrived, “I was shocked to see the inclusion of another email address in the CC line.” https://v1.nitrocdn.com/PtUefQrfncdsWOjilqcqdvGyQbUvpoWC/assets/static/source/rev-8b632d2/wp-content/uploads/engelbrecht-1-666x479.jpg
https://twitter.com/PatrickByrne/status/1343564483583766530
Whats next?
Amazingly, the Electoral College vote can be challenged under federal law and the United States Constitution. Republican electors in seven contested states cast alternate votes for Donald Trump to keep their legal options open. State legislatures retain their constitutional authority to offer alternative slates of electors. And Congress is the ultimate arbiter of the race since the ballot count can be contested during the joint session on January 6. If Brooks and one Senator object to certain state elector slates, then all bets are off. On January 6, Republicans may control the Senate and have strength in the House, just one Senator could step up and begin to change the course of history!
https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2020/12/23/fitton-hope-for-a-failed-election/
https://electionwiz.com/2020/12/28/mo-brooks-dozens-in-the-house-will-sponsor-objections-to-biden-video/
Republican Texas Rep. Louie Gohmert and a group of other GOP figures filed a lawsuit Sunday against Vice President Mike Pence in an effort to overturn the 2020 presidential election. The lawsuit focuses on Pence, who will oversee the upcoming Jan. 6 meeting of Congress to count states’ electoral votes and finalize President-elect Joe Biden’s victory over President Donald Trump: https://dailycaller.com/2020/12/28/louie-gohmert-republicans-sue-mike-pence-overturn-presidential-election-biden-kelli-ward/
This could mean TREASON:
https://twitter.com/Lrihendry/status/1343550784286371841
None of this is true but thanks for sharing I guess.
Also, when was your diagnosis of serious mental illness and what meds are you on?
Republican Texas Rep. Louie Gohmert and a group of other GOP figures filed a lawsuit Sunday against Vice President Mike Pence in an effort to overturn the 2020 presidential election. The lawsuit focuses on Pence, who will oversee the upcoming Jan. 6 meeting of Congress to count states’ electoral votes and finalize President-elect Joe Biden’s victory over President Donald Trump: https://dailycaller.com/2020/12/28/louie-gohmert-republicans-sue-mike-pence-overturn-presidential-election-biden-kelli-ward/
This is about predictions of the future, rather than factual claims about what happened in the election. I'm fine with seeing what will happen on January 6th.
The Supreme Court has affirmed that the "power and jurisdiction of the state [legislature]" to select electors "is exclusive," McPherson v. Blacker, 146 U.S. 1, 11 (1892)(The case cited was about whether having electors elected by congressional district is constitutional; Maine and Nebraska both do this.) But the Supreme Court decision (https://supreme.justia.com/cases/federal/us/146/1/#tab-opinion-1914989) actually says "the power and jurisdiction of the state is exclusive"; the lawsuit adds a word that is not present. I'm sure that such a liberty will not bother any judge or justice anywhere.
I fact checked the claim that a member of the House and a senator can object to the electors and turns out that it fact checks: true.
So....turns out relying on CNN is not so accurate.
Everything I turn up on cnn.com seems to have the correct information.
Everything I turn up on cnn.com seems to have the correct information.
I know, right?
Echo, echo, echo, echo.
Clues that clearly show that not only is he in NO DANGER of losing the Presidency, he's about to absolutely WRECK all of the blatant, HIDEOUSLY ARROGANT & corrupt Domestic Enemies that have, at the same time they appear to be thwarting Trump at every turn are being EXPOSED & SHOWCASED to us to JUSTIFY what he's about to do. Because Trump WARGAMED all this out YEARS AGO. Understand, President Trump is making GOOD FAITH efforts to resolve this STOLEN ELECTION via these paths. But he & his people know how compromised our Institutions & Agencies are. If you grasped the actual level of #RESISTANCE Trump gets from Gov. your jaw would hit your knees.
President Trump APPEARS finished. He LOOKS weak, a goner. HIGH DRAMA, FOLKS. As he separates the Loyal from the disloyal in the GOP. McConnell just blocked the quick vote on the $2,000 Stimulus. #PERFECT! Every Mask is falling away. I am 1,000 per cent confident what will unfold on Jan. 6th will be WORLD SHATTERING. As I've watched President Trump preparing for it for AT LEAST 10 years. (I had to go back & RESEARCH the years prior to 2016)
He's not about to break character. He's posting crazy shit intentionally to troll the conspiracy theory nutters.Clues that clearly show that not only is he in NO DANGER of losing the Presidency, he's about to absolutely WRECK all of the blatant, HIDEOUSLY ARROGANT & corrupt Domestic Enemies that have, at the same time they appear to be thwarting Trump at every turn are being EXPOSED & SHOWCASED to us to JUSTIFY what he's about to do. Because Trump WARGAMED all this out YEARS AGO. Understand, President Trump is making GOOD FAITH efforts to resolve this STOLEN ELECTION via these paths. But he & his people know how compromised our Institutions & Agencies are. If you grasped the actual level of #RESISTANCE Trump gets from Gov. your jaw would hit your knees.President Trump APPEARS finished. He LOOKS weak, a goner. HIGH DRAMA, FOLKS. As he separates the Loyal from the disloyal in the GOP. McConnell just blocked the quick vote on the $2,000 Stimulus. #PERFECT! Every Mask is falling away. I am 1,000 per cent confident what will unfold on Jan. 6th will be WORLD SHATTERING. As I've watched President Trump preparing for it for AT LEAST 10 years. (I had to go back & RESEARCH the years prior to 2016)
OK, consolcwby - so what I would ask is - *if* you turn out to be wrong about this, might that make you think that your sources aren't as reliable as you thought? Or would you just conclude that your sources are still completely reliable and there was no flaw in your thinking?
He's not about to break character. He's posting crazy shit intentionally to troll the conspiracy theory nutters.
Citation needed. ;)
He's not about to break character. He's posting crazy shit intentionally to troll the conspiracy theory nutters.
I know it would be easier to think that, but that's not accurate. This really is him. The real him. He's not in character, and he's not trolling.
Which, if that leads you to be concerned for his mental health, you're probably on the right track.
Still waiting for a link. I guess you were just signaling your political affiliation and can't actually find anything to support your claim.
Still waiting for a link. I guess you were just signaling your political affiliation and can't actually find anything to support your claim.
Sorry man, I thought you had it bookmarked:
cnn.com (http://cnn.com)
Where is the error regarding objections in Congress during the electoral vote count? My guess is looking more and more likely to be correct.
Still waiting for a link. I guess you were just signaling your political affiliation and can't actually find anything to support your claim.
Sorry man, I thought you had it bookmarked:
cnn.com (http://cnn.com)
Where is the error regarding objections in Congress during the electoral vote count? My guess is looking more and more likely to be correct.
Exactly 3 weeks to go before this is all finally over except the whining.
Still waiting for a link. I guess you were just signaling your political affiliation and can't actually find anything to support your claim.
Sorry man, I thought you had it bookmarked:
cnn.com (http://cnn.com)
Where is the error regarding objections in Congress during the electoral vote count? My guess is looking more and more likely to be correct.
Ok, well I guess we can change the subject back to the other fake news that a member of the house and a senator can not, supposedly, object to the electors. According to Tubesock.
Still waiting for a link. I guess you were just signaling your political affiliation and can't actually find anything to support your claim.
Sorry man, I thought you had it bookmarked:
cnn.com (http://cnn.com)
Where is the error regarding objections in Congress during the electoral vote count? My guess is looking more and more likely to be correct.
Ok, well I guess we can change the subject back to the other fake news that a member of the house and a senator can not, supposedly, object to the electors. According to Tubesock.
So my guess was correct, then? You claimed a CNN error, but instead of proof you refer to Tubesock (Army, or some other Tubesock?) still with no link. You're performing badly but about the same as the elite strike force.
Still waiting for a link. I guess you were just signaling your political affiliation and can't actually find anything to support your claim.
Sorry man, I thought you had it bookmarked:
cnn.com (http://cnn.com)
Where is the error regarding objections in Congress during the electoral vote count? My guess is looking more and more likely to be correct.
Ok, well I guess we can change the subject back to the other fake news that a member of the house and a senator can not, supposedly, object to the electors. According to Tubesock.
So my guess was correct, then? You claimed a CNN error, but instead of proof you refer to Tubesock (Army, or some other Tubesock?) still with no link. You're performing badly but about the same as the elite strike force.
So you want to change the subject back to CNN?
Ok, I guess. So what have they been lying about now?
Still waiting for a link. I guess you were just signaling your political affiliation and can't actually find anything to support your claim.
Sorry man, I thought you had it bookmarked:
cnn.com (http://cnn.com)
Where is the error regarding objections in Congress during the electoral vote count? My guess is looking more and more likely to be correct.
Ok, well I guess we can change the subject back to the other fake news that a member of the house and a senator can not, supposedly, object to the electors. According to Tubesock.
So my guess was correct, then? You claimed a CNN error, but instead of proof you refer to Tubesock (Army, or some other Tubesock?) still with no link. You're performing badly but about the same as the elite strike force.
So you want to change the subject back to CNN?
Ok, I guess. So what have they been lying about now?
"Despair, is such a powerful negative word, and can cause and spread like a disease an extremely negative ways. I believe that many times people can create despair within themselves, more than the external conditions actually portray. Hope is harmony. A just heart, moving toward the light. That is all. Despair is hope's polar opposite. It is messy and confusing. It swallows up love, hatred, and everything else. Because not knowing where you will end up is despair. Despair is even what you cannot predict. Only despair's unpredictability can save you from a boring future." -Junko Enoshima
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Trump has now trapped, congress. Congress has been put into the spotlight with the stimulus bill and the NDAA. Now people are watching to see how congress handles this.This is something they do not want, they are exposed. The EU begins to talk about the great reset, this is already failing. The MSM and Deep State has just been exposed. The idea that there is no such thing as election fraud and that the election systems are secure has just been debunked. GA held a hearing and now the GA lawmakers are looking into the ballots. The entire election scam is falling apart and those who knowingly participated are feeling the heat. Tick tock time is running out.
Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell introduced legislation authorizing direct cash payments of $2,000 , but tied it to a repeal of Section 230 and an investigation into the president’s allegations of voter fraud. Democrats immediately criticized McConnell’s bill, calling it a “poison pill” and warning that it would fall short of the necessary support needed to pass.
McConnell has so far resisted holding a vote on any legislation regarding increased stimulus checks even as senators from both parties increase the pressure to do so. Vermont Independent Sen. Bernie Sanders said on Tuesday that he would filibuster the Senate’s override of the annual military bill, keeping the chamber in session through the New Year, unless it held a vote on $2,000 checks. His effort was seconded by Missouri Republican Sen. Josh Hawley, who tweeted on Tuesday that “he would not consent to a vote on the bad defense bill… unless the Senate votes on $2k Covid relief for working people.”
https://dailycaller.com/2020/12/30/mcconnell-2000-checks-section-230-repeal-voter-fraud/
Those Damn Swedes, At It Again...
https://twitter.com/CodeMonkeyZ/status/1344261205158858752
Just when is whitey gonna learn, anyhow??
The Trump campaign took its Wisconsin Constitutional fight to the US Supreme Court. The Trump campaign is challenging the 50,000 illegal absentee votes that were allowed to be counted in the state: https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2020/12/trump-campaign-takes-wisconsin-constitutional-fight-us-supreme-court/
Welcome to 2020, when @JovanHPulitzer hacked a voting machine live during a government hearing and the press insists there is no evidence of election fraud. Two months worth of fake talking points were just blown sky high. “Dominion’s voting machines are secure, can’t be hacked into remotely and are not connected to the internet anyway and HOW DARE YOU ALLEGE OTHERWISE, YOU LUNATIC!"Good thing there is no proof, however! BUT: Like a good neighbor...
https://twitter.com/kylenabecker/status/1344361368020021249
https://twitter.com/Wizard_Predicts/status/1344316707381325832
https://twitter.com/bjvangundy/status/1344118424138641416
Jovan Pulitzer revealed the differences between votes printed for Democrat counties versus Republican counties. The Republican counties had a barcode up in the right-hand corner. The votes from two different counties are printed differently. This caused GOP votes to get kicked out by the Dominion machines. Secretary of State Raffensperger allowed this to take place: https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2020/12/raffensperger-gets-caught-georgia-ballots-printed-differently-gop-counties-vs-dem-counties-election-rigged/
Coffee County official spoke before Georgia’s Senate Judiciary Subcommittee on Elections. The woman told the subcommittee that when their county complained to Secretary of State Raffensperger about the voting machines and the recounts Secretary Raffensperger sent armed Secretary of State officials with handcuffs and two Dominion operators to the county. She said Raffensperger was intentionally threatening the county officials: https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2020/12/georgia-county-official-raffensperger-sent-armed-secretary-state-agents-handcuffs-county-complained-inaccurate-dominion-machines-video/
Actually making sense is a HIGH CRIME on the internet! https://twitter.com/Wizard_Predicts/status/1344315322975875077
Especial if it involves WAL*MART: https://twitter.com/HawleyMO/status/1344355788303855617
Just Found This Out: https://www.timesofisrael.com/pence-cancels-final-visit-to-israel-before-leaving-office/
A planned visit to Israel by US Vice President Mike Pence was called off less than two weeks before he was due to arrive, the US Embassy confirmed Wednesday.No reason was given for the cancellation, which was first reported by the Ynet news site.Pence was reportedly scheduled to make a number of stops on a final world trip before leaving office on January 20. Earlier this month, Politico reported that the vice president planned to take off on January 6 — the same day the US Congress is scheduled to confirm President-elect Joe Biden’s electoral victory — visiting a number of countries, including Israel from January 10 to 13.
Right now, Mitch McConnell is the senate majority leader, and you can see how much he enjoys fucking everything up, royally, for most Americans, and will be found otherwise on his knees bobbing for the 1%, and foreign powers, like the turtle he is.
Right now, Nancy Pelosi is the house speaker, and you can see how much she enjoys fucking everything up, royally, for most Americans, and will be found otherwise on her knees bobbing for the 1%, and foreign powers, like the turtle she is.I see no difference.
I see no difference.
No mercy for these fucking traitors. They have betrayed our sacred Republic, and should be damned. Damn them all to the fire!Exactly. Trump and all his toadies deserve no mercy.
Say when.No mercy for these fucking traitors. They have betrayed our sacred Republic, and should be damned. Damn them all to the fire!Exactly. Trump and all his toadies deserve no mercy.
Still waiting for a link. I guess you were just signaling your political affiliation and can't actually find anything to support your claim.
Sorry man, I thought you had it bookmarked:
cnn.com (http://cnn.com)
Where is the error regarding objections in Congress during the electoral vote count? My guess is looking more and more likely to be correct.
Ok, well I guess we can change the subject back to the other fake news that a member of the house and a senator can not, supposedly, object to the electors. According to Tubesock.
So my guess was correct, then? You claimed a CNN error, but instead of proof you refer to Tubesock (Army, or some other Tubesock?) still with no link. You're performing badly but about the same as the elite strike force.
So you want to change the subject back to CNN?
Ok, I guess. So what have they been lying about now?
The subject remains your claim that CNN claimed something specific (that an objection could not be made by a representative and a senator) that was not true. If you're not just casting random aspersions, post a link.
CNN is pretty much fake news but I’m curious who would you say is real news?
No mercy for these fucking traitors. They have betrayed our sacred Republic, and should be damned. Damn them all to the fire!Exactly. Trump and all his toadies deserve no mercy.
Say when.No mercy for these fucking traitors. They have betrayed our sacred Republic, and should be damned. Damn them all to the fire!Exactly. Trump and all his toadies deserve no mercy.
Entirely correct. Empty threats from those who would crawl on their bellies for their all-powerful and all-knowing CCP masters! I love these vids, not just because I've known many who worked at RAYTHEON, but also because I was a BIG FAN of the 1980s-90s show WINGS and love love love the hardware! When I was in college, I loved the Microprose and Spectrum Holobyte Flight Sims! I miss those games so much! But, it'll look less like a war than a quick operation! From what I learned about Jade Helm, it won't take long for the military to secure the cities - IF it comes to that!Say when.No mercy for these fucking traitors. They have betrayed our sacred Republic, and should be damned. Damn them all to the fire!Exactly. Trump and all his toadies deserve no mercy.
Greetings!
Exactly, brother! GET SOME!
Semper Fidelis,
SHARK
The subject remains your claim that CNN claimed something specific (that an objection could not be made by a representative and a senator) that was not true. If you're not just casting random aspersions, post a link.
I never said that.
I fact checked the claim that a member of the House and a senator can object to the electors and turns out that it fact checks: true.
So....turns out relying on CNN is not so accurate.
Yeah, pretty much. I've been shocked at the contempt shown for our republic and method of government by the cowards who kowtow to Trump and suck down and spout out his (and the Russian's) propaganda. Seems like the last patriotic Republican died August 25, 2018.No mercy for these fucking traitors. They have betrayed our sacred Republic, and should be damned. Damn them all to the fire!Exactly. Trump and all his toadies deserve no mercy.
Greetings!
Yeah? You think so?
The subject remains your claim that CNN claimed something specific (that an objection could not be made by a representative and a senator) that was not true. If you're not just casting random aspersions, post a link.
I never said that.
The following is a nonsensical non sequitur then.I fact checked the claim that a member of the House and a senator can object to the electors and turns out that it fact checks: true.
So....turns out relying on CNN is not so accurate.
Still waiting for a link. I guess you were just signaling your political affiliation and can't actually find anything to support your claim.
Sorry man, I thought you had it bookmarked:
cnn.com (http://cnn.com)
Where is the error regarding objections in Congress during the electoral vote count? My guess is looking more and more likely to be correct.
Ok, well I guess we can change the subject back to the other fake news that a member of the house and a senator can not, supposedly, object to the electors. According to Tubesock.
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH!"Regardless of what people say about or to me, I WILL NEVER BE SILENCED WITH THE TRUTH IN MY HANDS! The truth will set all free from the bonds of lies. ... it is given freely to all who listen." -Anonymous
While I like to keep things light, lately I have found my self and others having a lack of maturity and vision. A thread was closed because of this. Let's keep things civil and lively!
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The Left is in Despair, their killing game is almost over:
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2020/12/mathematician-bobby-piton-finds-500000-unique-last-names-pennsylvania-sophisticated-state-actor-able-optimize-desired-outcome/
Bobby Piton, the mathematician who testified at the Arizona voter fraud hearing dropped a bombshell this weekend. Piton revealed this weekend that he examined just over 9 million records in Pennsylvania and has identified 521,879 unique last names. In other words, these people have no parents, siblings, aunts, uncles or cousins who share the same last name (phantom voters). Pennsylvania has 695,430 Fewer People in the top 1000 Last Names. Bobby Piton found that there were fewer people with common surnames such as Smith, Jackson, Johnson. Bobby Piton essentially discovered where those 695,000+ illegal ballots came from in Pennsylvania. President Trump was ahead of Joe Biden by over 700,000 votes on election night in Pennsylvania and within a few days after the election, hundreds of thousands of ballots appeared for Joe Biden. Between 695,000 to 958,000 voters just got up and vanished out of Pennsylvania! Based on Piton’s findings, it appears that a centralized actor was calling the shots. Bobby Piton says a sophisticated State Actor was able to optimize a desired outcome for both the state of Georgia and Pennsylvania.
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2020/12/evidence-foreign-influence-2020-election-nevada-secretary-state-caught-sending-voter-data-list-pakistani-firm-linked-isi/
Catherine Engelbrecht is the Founder and President of True The Vote the nation’s largest voters’ rights group. In November True the Vote wrote the Nevada Secretary of State for the eligible voter list report. When the Secretary of State responded True the Vote was shocked to see that waqas@kavtech.net was cc’ed. True the Vote later wrote the Assistant Attorney General for National Security John C. Demers about the date breach. The letter obtained exclusively by Breitbart News that when the email arrived, “I was shocked to see the inclusion of another email address in the CC line.” https://v1.nitrocdn.com/PtUefQrfncdsWOjilqcqdvGyQbUvpoWC/assets/static/source/rev-8b632d2/wp-content/uploads/engelbrecht-1-666x479.jpg
https://twitter.com/PatrickByrne/status/1343564483583766530
Whats next?
Amazingly, the Electoral College vote can be challenged under federal law and the United States Constitution. Republican electors in seven contested states cast alternate votes for Donald Trump to keep their legal options open. State legislatures retain their constitutional authority to offer alternative slates of electors. And Congress is the ultimate arbiter of the race since the ballot count can be contested during the joint session on January 6. If Brooks and one Senator object to certain state elector slates, then all bets are off. On January 6, Republicans may control the Senate and have strength in the House, just one Senator could step up and begin to change the course of history!
https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2020/12/23/fitton-hope-for-a-failed-election/
https://electionwiz.com/2020/12/28/mo-brooks-dozens-in-the-house-will-sponsor-objections-to-biden-video/
Republican Texas Rep. Louie Gohmert and a group of other GOP figures filed a lawsuit Sunday against Vice President Mike Pence in an effort to overturn the 2020 presidential election. The lawsuit focuses on Pence, who will oversee the upcoming Jan. 6 meeting of Congress to count states’ electoral votes and finalize President-elect Joe Biden’s victory over President Donald Trump: https://dailycaller.com/2020/12/28/louie-gohmert-republicans-sue-mike-pence-overturn-presidential-election-biden-kelli-ward/
This could mean TREASON:
https://twitter.com/Lrihendry/status/1343550784286371841
None of this is true but thanks for sharing I guess.
Also, when was your diagnosis of serious mental illness and what meds are you on?
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH!Whats next?
Amazingly, the Electoral College vote can be challenged under federal law and the United States Constitution. Republican electors in seven contested states cast alternate votes for Donald Trump to keep their legal options open. State legislatures retain their constitutional authority to offer alternative slates of electors. And Congress is the ultimate arbiter of the race since the ballot count can be contested during the joint session on January 6. If Brooks and one Senator object to certain state elector slates, then all bets are off. On January 6, Republicans may control the Senate and have strength in the House, just one Senator could step up and begin to change the course of history!
https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2020/12/23/fitton-hope-for-a-failed-election/
https://electionwiz.com/2020/12/28/mo-brooks-dozens-in-the-house-will-sponsor-objections-to-biden-video/
witter.com/Lrihendry/status/1343550784286371841
None of this is true but thanks for sharing I guess.
Also, when was your diagnosis of serious mental illness and what meds are you on?
How disingenuous!
Your memory hole is active, I see... ;D
Yeah, pretty much. I've been shocked at the contempt shown for our republic and method of government by the cowards who kowtow to Trump and suck down and spout out his (and the Russian's) propaganda. Seems like the last patriotic Republican died August 25, 2018.No mercy for these fucking traitors. They have betrayed our sacred Republic, and should be damned. Damn them all to the fire!Exactly. Trump and all his toadies deserve no mercy.
Greetings!
Yeah? You think so?
Yeah, pretty much. I've been shocked at the contempt shown for our republic and method of government by the cowards who kowtow to Trump and suck down and spout out his (and the Russian's) propaganda. Seems like the last patriotic Republican died August 25, 2018.No mercy for these fucking traitors. They have betrayed our sacred Republic, and should be damned. Damn them all to the fire!Exactly. Trump and all his toadies deserve no mercy.
Greetings!
Yeah? You think so?
Yeah, pretty much. I've been shocked at the contempt shown for our republic and method of government by the cowards who kowtow to Trump and suck down and spout out his (and the Russian's) propaganda. Seems like the last patriotic Republican died August 25, 2018.No mercy for these fucking traitors. They have betrayed our sacred Republic, and should be damned. Damn them all to the fire!Exactly. Trump and all his toadies deserve no mercy.
Greetings!
Yeah? You think so?
Imagine believing the Russia conspiracy theory in 2020, or that either party has ever served the American public in our lifetime.
The subject remains your claim that CNN claimed something specific (that an objection could not be made by a representative and a senator) that was not true. If you're not just casting random aspersions, post a link.
I never said that.
The following is a nonsensical non sequitur then.I fact checked the claim that a member of the House and a senator can object to the electors and turns out that it fact checks: true.
So....turns out relying on CNN is not so accurate.
Yeah, pretty much. I've been shocked at the contempt shown for our republic and method of government by the cowards who kowtow to Trump and suck down and spout out his (and the Russian's) propaganda. Seems like the last patriotic Republican died August 25, 2018.No mercy for these fucking traitors. They have betrayed our sacred Republic, and should be damned. Damn them all to the fire!Exactly. Trump and all his toadies deserve no mercy.
Greetings!
Yeah? You think so?
Imagine believing the Russia conspiracy theory in 2020, or that either party has ever served the American public in our lifetime.
Imagine believing the Russia conspiracy nonsense and then insisting this election was different because their guy won. Dunno if Bren's done that, but watching the media push that narrative has been amusing as hell.
In other news, Trump just broke Obama's 12 year streak as the most admired man in America.Yeah, pretty much. I've been shocked at the contempt shown for our republic and method of government by the cowards who kowtow to Trump and suck down and spout out his (and the Russian's) propaganda. Seems like the last patriotic Republican died August 25, 2018.No mercy for these fucking traitors. They have betrayed our sacred Republic, and should be damned. Damn them all to the fire!Exactly. Trump and all his toadies deserve no mercy.
Greetings!
Yeah? You think so?
Imagine believing the Russia conspiracy theory in 2020, or that either party has ever served the American public in our lifetime.
Imagine believing the Russia conspiracy nonsense and then insisting this election was different because their guy won. Dunno if Bren's done that, but watching the media push that narrative has been amusing as hell.
Obviously, there's nothing suspicious about a senile old man who can't speak straight half the time and barely campaigned getting the most votes of any president in history.
Which point do you find the most suspicious?Yeah, pretty much. I've been shocked at the contempt shown for our republic and method of government by the cowards who kowtow to Trump and suck down and spout out his (and the Russian's) propaganda. Seems like the last patriotic Republican died August 25, 2018.No mercy for these fucking traitors. They have betrayed our sacred Republic, and should be damned. Damn them all to the fire!Exactly. Trump and all his toadies deserve no mercy.
Greetings!
Yeah? You think so?
Imagine believing the Russia conspiracy theory in 2020, or that either party has ever served the American public in our lifetime.
Imagine believing the Russia conspiracy nonsense and then insisting this election was different because their guy won. Dunno if Bren's done that, but watching the media push that narrative has been amusing as hell.
Obviously, there's nothing suspicious about a senile old man who can't speak straight half the time and barely campaigned getting the most votes of any president in history.
19 days until all this bullshit becomes just a weird footnote in historyImagine believing all us dirty right of center types will just vanish into oblivion come 1/20.
Yeah, pretty much. I've been shocked at the contempt shown for our republic and method of government by the cowards who kowtow to Trump and suck down and spout out his (and the Russian's) propaganda. Seems like the last patriotic Republican died August 25, 2018.No mercy for these fucking traitors. They have betrayed our sacred Republic, and should be damned. Damn them all to the fire!Exactly. Trump and all his toadies deserve no mercy.
Greetings!
Yeah? You think so?
Imagine believing the Russia conspiracy theory in 2020, or that either party has ever served the American public in our lifetime.
Imagine believing the Russia conspiracy nonsense and then insisting this election was different because their guy won. Dunno if Bren's done that, but watching the media push that narrative has been amusing as hell.
Obviously, there's nothing suspicious about a senile old man who can't speak straight half the time and barely campaigned getting the most votes of any president in history.
Please have some respect. The man's still President until the 20th.
Like the man said, he will be here until January 20th.Please have some respect. The man's still President until the 20th.
Thank you folks, he will be here all week.
I love you rawma. CNN doesn't.BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH!Whats next?
Amazingly, the Electoral College vote can be challenged under federal law and the United States Constitution. Republican electors in seven contested states cast alternate votes for Donald Trump to keep their legal options open. State legislatures retain their constitutional authority to offer alternative slates of electors. And Congress is the ultimate arbiter of the race since the ballot count can be contested during the joint session on January 6. If Brooks and one Senator object to certain state elector slates, then all bets are off. On January 6, Republicans may control the Senate and have strength in the House, just one Senator could step up and begin to change the course of history!
https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2020/12/23/fitton-hope-for-a-failed-election/
https://electionwiz.com/2020/12/28/mo-brooks-dozens-in-the-house-will-sponsor-objections-to-biden-video/
witter.com/Lrihendry/status/1343550784286371841
None of this is true but thanks for sharing I guess.
Also, when was your diagnosis of serious mental illness and what meds are you on?
How disingenuous!
Your memory hole is active, I see... ;D
Tubesock Army engaged in hyperbole; your expectation that this will have any effect on the outcome is not correct, though. How does any of this imply a failure in CNN reporting?
Tubesock Army engaged in hyperbole; your expectation that this will have any effect on the outcome is not correct, though. How does any of this imply a failure in CNN reporting?
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nothing new under the sun
Obviously, there's nothing suspicious about a senile old man who can't speak straight half the time and barely campaigned getting the most votes of any president in history.
If you charge a 5% fee on stock, commodity, or bond transactions there will be fewer transactions. A lot fewer. Not to mention increasing taxes by 50% and hobbling the capital sector will have many other repercussions.
Yet you claimed that 5% would raise $2 trillion/year, which is roughly half the yearly revenue of the entire federal government, from all types of taxes.
You can't have it both ways. If it's an insignificant sales tax, then it won't make a dent in the debt. If it can make a dent in the debt, then it's a 50% increase in all taxes.
"It's only a flesh wound!"Yet you claimed that 5% would raise $2 trillion/year, which is roughly half the yearly revenue of the entire federal government, from all types of taxes.
You can't have it both ways. If it's an insignificant sales tax, then it won't make a dent in the debt. If it can make a dent in the debt, then it's a 50% increase in all taxes.
Insignificant for the person paying the fee, numbnuts.
The subject remains your claim that CNN claimed something specific (that an objection could not be made by a representative and a senator) that was not true. If you're not just casting random aspersions, post a link.
I never said that.
The following is a nonsensical non sequitur then.I fact checked the claim that a member of the House and a senator can object to the electors and turns out that it fact checks: true.
So....turns out relying on CNN is not so accurate.
Where did I say that "CNN claimed something specific"?
And Hillary is terrible because she is a lizard-faced alien who heads the Pizza Hut child pornography ring? Or did you have another reason? It's hard keeping up with all the many conspiracies and all of Q's "revelations." Also, I've no idea what CCP is supposed to mean. My first thought was the old CCCP, but you're one C short and that would make it Trump and Putin, so you probably mean something else.I've been shocked at the contempt shown for our republic and method of government by the cowards who kowtow to Trump and suck down and spout out his (and the Russian's) propaganda. Seems like the last patriotic Republican died August 25, 2018.
I feel the same way about Biden and his sucking of CCP cock. The Democrats died in 2016 when they closed ranks around Hilary and showed they were more interested in preserving their status quo than representing the American people.
And Hillary is terrible because she is a lizard-faced alien who heads the Pizza Hut child pornography ring? Or did you have another reason? It's hard keeping up with all the many conspiracies and all of Q's "revelations." Also, I've no idea what CCP is supposed to mean. My first thought was the old CCCP, but you're one C short and that would make it Trump and Putin, so you probably mean something else.I've been shocked at the contempt shown for our republic and method of government by the cowards who kowtow to Trump and suck down and spout out his (and the Russian's) propaganda. Seems like the last patriotic Republican died August 25, 2018.
I feel the same way about Biden and his sucking of CCP cock. The Democrats died in 2016 when they closed ranks around Hilary and showed they were more interested in preserving their status quo than representing the American people.
And Hillary is terrible because she is a lizard-faced alien who heads the Pizza Hut child pornography ring? Or did you have another reason? It's hard keeping up with all the many conspiracies and all of Q's "revelations." Also, I've no idea what CCP is supposed to mean. My first thought was the old CCCP, but you're one C short and that would make it Trump and Putin, so you probably mean something else.I've been shocked at the contempt shown for our republic and method of government by the cowards who kowtow to Trump and suck down and spout out his (and the Russian's) propaganda. Seems like the last patriotic Republican died August 25, 2018.
I feel the same way about Biden and his sucking of CCP cock. The Democrats died in 2016 when they closed ranks around Hilary and showed they were more interested in preserving their status quo than representing the American people.
And Hillary is terrible because she is a lizard-faced alien who heads the Pizza Hut child pornography ring? Or did you have another reason? It's hard keeping up with all the many conspiracies and all of Q's "revelations." Also, I've no idea what CCP is supposed to mean. My first thought was the old CCCP, but you're one C short and that would make it Trump and Putin, so you probably mean something else.I've been shocked at the contempt shown for our republic and method of government by the cowards who kowtow to Trump and suck down and spout out his (and the Russian's) propaganda. Seems like the last patriotic Republican died August 25, 2018.
I feel the same way about Biden and his sucking of CCP cock. The Democrats died in 2016 when they closed ranks around Hilary and showed they were more interested in preserving their status quo than representing the American people.
Greetings!
Well, besides a trainload of philosophical and ideological problems and flaws--ranging from an alignment with globalism, corporate corruption and Marxism, Hillary is terrible because she's a lying, corrupt cunt that maintained a private server transferring classified government data and communications--which makes her a criminal, and a felon--crimes that if YOU or I had committed, would have us certainly arrested, prosecuted, and sent to federal prison. Next, Hillary facilitated the sale and transfer of Uranium worth billions of dollars to Russia. Next, Hillary has been a totally corrupt slug for facilitating the sale of favours by others--officials, ambassadors, and so on--in exchange for immense donations to the Clinton Foundation. Then, of course, there is her infamous handling and supervision of the whole Benghazi scandal--where Americans were abandoned and left to die--all on her watch.
Anyone that seeks to defend Hillary should be aware of how much of an absolutely corrupt and treasonous bitch she is. She is a terrible and disgusting woman, and a horrible politician and official, in any capacity.
Semper Fidelis,
SHARK
And CCP means Chinese Communist Party. You know, the foreign power that controls Biden. Just like Russia controls Trump, right?
And Hillary is terrible because she is a lizard-faced alien who heads the Pizza Hut child pornography ring? Or did you have another reason? It's hard keeping up with all the many conspiracies and all of Q's "revelations." Also, I've no idea what CCP is supposed to mean. My first thought was the old CCCP, but you're one C short and that would make it Trump and Putin, so you probably mean something else.
The subject remains your claim that CNN claimed something specific (that an objection could not be made by a representative and a senator) that was not true. If you're not just casting random aspersions, post a link.
I never said that.
The following is a nonsensical non sequitur then.I fact checked the claim that a member of the House and a senator can object to the electors and turns out that it fact checks: true.
So....turns out relying on CNN is not so accurate.
Where did I say that "CNN claimed something specific"?
What was the reliance on CNN then? Why claim it's inaccurate if there was nothing specific related to what you fact checked? Non sequitur or nonsense or both?
What amazes me is how the Democrats can look at themselves in the mirror after screwing Bernie repeatedly, but somehow they're the 'progressive' party.This isn't hard to figure out. The Democrats represent a rather wide range of progressive positions, and some of those positions are only allied by necessity ("enemy of my enemy" thinking, much like the crumbling alliance between Trump and the Republican party). Even so, Bernie goes too far for many of them.
What was the reliance on CNN then? Why claim it's inaccurate if there was nothing specific related to what you fact checked? Non sequitur or nonsense or both?
I am curious, do you have shares in CNN? Some kind of finanical incentive?
I was looking for a link on CNN about the riots in Portland the other night but according to them there was no such thing.
What amazes me is how the Democrats can look at themselves in the mirror after screwing Bernie repeatedly, but somehow they're the 'progressive' party.
Link to where they say there was no such thing? Or did your search just fail?
President Trump insisted that he won the state of Georgia in the 2020 presidential race during a phone call with Georgia’s Secretary of State Brad Raffensperger over the weekend, reportedly urging him to "find" enough votes to reverse the state’s results.
Raffensperger replied Sunday morning stating: "Respectfully, President Trump: What you’re saying is not true. The truth will come out."
I just want to find 11,780 votes
Let me tell you what we are seeing. What we’re seeing is not at all what you’re describing, these are investigators from our office, these are investigators from GBI, and they’re looking and they’re good. And that’s not what they’re seeing. And we’ll keep looking, at all these things.
Well, besides a trainload of philosophical and ideological problems and flaws--ranging from...The orange fat man has a similar, lengthy list of crimes and a death toll of tens if not hundreds of thousands of Americans, yet you love him and issue vague threats of violence on his behalf. Your embracing of situational ethics is duly noted.
You dont know the CCP? The Chinese Communist Party?Not personally no.
Trump calls the Georgia Secretary of State asking for him to find enough votes to swing the state's presidential election, and suddenly nobody here wants to talk about the election?Situational ethics. Wrecking our Republic doesn't matter to if it helps their guy to stay in power.
Well, besides a trainload of philosophical and ideological problems and flaws--ranging from...The orange fat man has a similar, lengthy list of crimes and a death toll of tens if not hundreds of thousands of Americans, yet you love him and issue vague threats of violence on his behalf. Your embracing of situational ethics is duly noted.
Keep on posting in your sarcastic black type.Well, besides a trainload of philosophical and ideological problems and flaws--ranging from...The orange fat man has a similar, lengthy list of crimes and a death toll of tens if not hundreds of thousands of Americans, yet you love him and issue vague threats of violence on his behalf. Your embracing of situational ethics is duly noted.
I am going to say something that will probably make you angry. Trump saved over 330 million American lives.
Trump calls the Georgia Secretary of State asking for him to find enough votes to swing the state's presidential election, and suddenly nobody here wants to talk about the election
Trump calls the Georgia Secretary of State asking for him to find enough votes to swing the state's presidential election, and suddenly nobody here wants to talk about the election?
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/trump-insists-he-won-georgia-in-call-with-state-election-official-urges-him-to-find-votes-reportQuotePresident Trump insisted that he won the state of Georgia in the 2020 presidential race during a phone call with Georgia’s Secretary of State Brad Raffensperger over the weekend, reportedly urging him to "find" enough votes to reverse the state’s results.QuoteRaffensperger replied Sunday morning stating: "Respectfully, President Trump: What you’re saying is not true. The truth will come out."
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/trump-raffensperger-call-transcript-georgia-vote/2021/01/03/2768e0cc-4ddd-11eb-83e3-322644d82356_story.htmlQuote from: Donald TrumpI just want to find 11,780 votesQuote from: Ryan Germany, the secretary of state’s general counselLet me tell you what we are seeing. What we’re seeing is not at all what you’re describing, these are investigators from our office, these are investigators from GBI, and they’re looking and they’re good. And that’s not what they’re seeing. And we’ll keep looking, at all these things.
I guess Trump didn't learn from the Ukraine phone call and subsequent impeachment.
I am going to say something that will probably make you angry. Trump saved over 330 million American lives.You can "say" whatever crazy shit you want. Lot's of folks in this thread have done so. Most of that shit doesn't make me mad. Sad and worried about my country and disappointed in many of it's citizens, but not especially mad.
DONT SAY I DID NOT WARN YOU ALL:
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I do it because I love you all.
dementia speaks.
DONT SAY I DID NOT WARN YOU ALL:
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https://twitter.com/BLUEPRINT_Q/status/1345507539576905728
I do it because I love you all.
Greetings!
Damn straight! It's about time the President has some people around him that are dedicated and loyal! Just like the President calling the Georgia GOP Secretary of State and asking about votes. I hope the President calls every damn one of them, demanding why they aren't doing investigations, get rid of all the fraud votes, and only count legal votes! And find the TRUMP votes that the fucking lying, cheating Democrats have destroyed, sought to throw away, or hide them. Geesus, the President needs to demand these fucking RINOS and weak Republican officials do their fucking jobs.
Semper Fidelis,
SHARK
You forget, a SHARK has to keep the flow of conspiracy-rich waters moving over his gills or he dies, so expect him to keep swimming down whatever improbable paths those waters go, because that's all he's got left.DONT SAY I DID NOT WARN YOU ALL:
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https://twitter.com/BLUEPRINT_Q/status/1345507539576905728
I do it because I love you all.
Greetings!
Damn straight! It's about time the President has some people around him that are dedicated and loyal! Just like the President calling the Georgia GOP Secretary of State and asking about votes. I hope the President calls every damn one of them, demanding why they aren't doing investigations, get rid of all the fraud votes, and only count legal votes! And find the TRUMP votes that the fucking lying, cheating Democrats have destroyed, sought to throw away, or hide them. Geesus, the President needs to demand these fucking RINOS and weak Republican officials do their fucking jobs.
Semper Fidelis,
SHARK
My man, he threatened them to "find" a specific number of votes to make him win. That's not asking him to do an investigation. He was not "asking" about votes. You cannot listen to that audio, which is authentic and all there and all the context for everyone to hear, and pretend what he said is how you characterized it.
You forget, a SHARK has to keep the flow of conspiracy-rich waters moving over his gills or he dies, so expect him to keep swimming down whatever improbable paths those waters go, because that's all he's got left.DONT SAY I DID NOT WARN YOU ALL:
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https://twitter.com/BLUEPRINT_Q/status/1345507539576905728
I do it because I love you all.
Greetings!
Damn straight! It's about time the President has some people around him that are dedicated and loyal! Just like the President calling the Georgia GOP Secretary of State and asking about votes. I hope the President calls every damn one of them, demanding why they aren't doing investigations, get rid of all the fraud votes, and only count legal votes! And find the TRUMP votes that the fucking lying, cheating Democrats have destroyed, sought to throw away, or hide them. Geesus, the President needs to demand these fucking RINOS and weak Republican officials do their fucking jobs.
Semper Fidelis,
SHARK
My man, he threatened them to "find" a specific number of votes to make him win. That's not asking him to do an investigation. He was not "asking" about votes. You cannot listen to that audio, which is authentic and all there and all the context for everyone to hear, and pretend what he said is how you characterized it.
Trump calls the Georgia Secretary of State asking for him to find enough votes to swing the state's presidential election, and suddenly nobody here wants to talk about the election
We’ve entered the Treason story arc of Trump the Series. This show just keeps getting better doesn’t it? I’m interested what’s coming up for him post presidency. There has to be a reason he’s so desperate to stay in power. I have a feeling we’re in for a wild ride.
I don't know, the tape of Trump seems to be the most convincing evidence of attempted electoral fraud that's come up yet. He's trying to cajole somebody into making up votes.
I don't know, the tape of Trump seems to be the most convincing evidence of attempted electoral fraud that's come up yet. He's trying to cajole somebody into making up votes.
You don't know?
If a person supports Trump, it was a gaffe. He thinks he won the election, and wants to find the votes to prove it.
If a person hates Trump, it's more proof he's a whiny loser who wants to cheat.
Like Biden, saying he likes Obama because he's the first clean black candidate.
"I mean, you've got the first sort of mainstream African-American who is articulate and bright and clean and a nice-looking guy. I mean, that's a story-book, man," Biden said.
https://www.nbcnews.com/id/wbna16911044
If you're a Biden supporter, how do you even start to defend that? You call it a gaffe and move on, because he's "your guy".
You forget, a SHARK has to keep the flow of conspiracy-rich waters moving over his gills or he dies, so expect him to keep swimming down whatever improbable paths those waters go, because that's all he's got left.DONT SAY I DID NOT WARN YOU ALL:
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https://twitter.com/BLUEPRINT_Q/status/1345507539576905728
I do it because I love you all.
Greetings!
Damn straight! It's about time the President has some people around him that are dedicated and loyal! Just like the President calling the Georgia GOP Secretary of State and asking about votes. I hope the President calls every damn one of them, demanding why they aren't doing investigations, get rid of all the fraud votes, and only count legal votes! And find the TRUMP votes that the fucking lying, cheating Democrats have destroyed, sought to throw away, or hide them. Geesus, the President needs to demand these fucking RINOS and weak Republican officials do their fucking jobs.
Semper Fidelis,
SHARK
My man, he threatened them to "find" a specific number of votes to make him win. That's not asking him to do an investigation. He was not "asking" about votes. You cannot listen to that audio, which is authentic and all there and all the context for everyone to hear, and pretend what he said is how you characterized it.
Greetings!
I think that the Georgia Secretary of State is a jello-filled, corrupt fucking RINO, just like Georgia's worthless Governor. They all need to be thrown the fuck out and replaced. They are corrupt swamp beasts! They have lied, and squirmed, and been negligent in doing their duties. I don't trust them, or the various election officials in Georgia. I don't believe a damned thing that the MSM claims, as they are totally corrupt and lying frauds. The MSM twists and frames everything to favour Leftists and Democrats, and are always working against President Trump, which they have been entirely devoted against since 2016.
The 2020 election ha been fraudulent and corrupt.
Semper Fidelis,
SHARK
You forget, a SHARK has to keep the flow of conspiracy-rich waters moving over his gills or he dies, so expect him to keep swimming down whatever improbable paths those waters go, because that's all he's got left.DONT SAY I DID NOT WARN YOU ALL:
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https://twitter.com/BLUEPRINT_Q/status/1345507539576905728
I do it because I love you all.
Greetings!
Damn straight! It's about time the President has some people around him that are dedicated and loyal! Just like the President calling the Georgia GOP Secretary of State and asking about votes. I hope the President calls every damn one of them, demanding why they aren't doing investigations, get rid of all the fraud votes, and only count legal votes! And find the TRUMP votes that the fucking lying, cheating Democrats have destroyed, sought to throw away, or hide them. Geesus, the President needs to demand these fucking RINOS and weak Republican officials do their fucking jobs.
Semper Fidelis,
SHARK
My man, he threatened them to "find" a specific number of votes to make him win. That's not asking him to do an investigation. He was not "asking" about votes. You cannot listen to that audio, which is authentic and all there and all the context for everyone to hear, and pretend what he said is how you characterized it.
Greetings!
I think that the Georgia Secretary of State is a jello-filled, corrupt fucking RINO, just like Georgia's worthless Governor. They all need to be thrown the fuck out and replaced. They are corrupt swamp beasts! They have lied, and squirmed, and been negligent in doing their duties. I don't trust them, or the various election officials in Georgia. I don't believe a damned thing that the MSM claims, as they are totally corrupt and lying frauds. The MSM twists and frames everything to favour Leftists and Democrats, and are always working against President Trump, which they have been entirely devoted against since 2016.
The 2020 election ha been fraudulent and corrupt.
Semper Fidelis,
SHARK
SHARK, I am serious when i say this. No fucking around, no internet tough guy nonsense, not trying to "win" an argument. If you listen to the recording of Trump's conversation, I do not think you can honestly walk away and say Trump's behavior was moral or ethical. I just don't. So, please, listen to it. The whole thing, so you get all the context. You will hear Trump rationally lay out his case for why he thinks he did win in Georgia and what the claims are about fraud and how it should be handled, and then responses, and then Trump crosses the line into unethical things. Listen to it yourself and you decide.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AW_Bdf_jGaA
dementia speaks.
The Biden campaign responded ably to the 60+ cases brought by Trump and his allies, defeating all those attempts to undermine democracy.
I don't know, the tape of Trump seems to be the most convincing evidence of attempted electoral fraud that's come up yet. He's trying to cajole somebody into making up votes.
I don't know, the tape of Trump seems to be the most convincing evidence of attempted electoral fraud that's come up yet. He's trying to cajole somebody into making up votes.
Trying to get someone to do his damn job.
SHARK, I am serious when i say this. No fucking around, no internet tough guy nonsense, not trying to "win" an argument. If you listen to the recording of Trump's conversation, I do not think you can honestly walk away and say Trump's behavior was moral or ethical. I just don't. So, please, listen to it. The whole thing, so you get all the context. You will hear Trump rationally lay out his case for why he thinks he did win in Georgia and what the claims are about fraud and how it should be handled, and then responses, and then Trump crosses the line into unethical things. Listen to it yourself and you decide.Did you listen to the 4 minute excerpt they originally had up, or the full hour long phone call they replaced it with later? Most of the reactions seem to be based on the short version, which was selectively edited, with statements taken out of context and jump cuts.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AW_Bdf_jGaA
SHARK, I am serious when i say this. No fucking around, no internet tough guy nonsense, not trying to "win" an argument. If you listen to the recording of Trump's conversation, I do not think you can honestly walk away and say Trump's behavior was moral or ethical. I just don't. So, please, listen to it. The whole thing, so you get all the context. You will hear Trump rationally lay out his case for why he thinks he did win in Georgia and what the claims are about fraud and how it should be handled, and then responses, and then Trump crosses the line into unethical things. Listen to it yourself and you decide.Did you listen to the 4 minute excerpt they originally had up, or the full hour long phone call they replaced it with later? Most of the reactions seem to be based on the short version, which was selectively edited, with statements taken out of context and jump cuts.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AW_Bdf_jGaA
I can't tolerate listening to Trump for more than about 10 seconds in row, so I'll never listen to either. But Tim Pool, who voted for Trump in this election but thinks Biden won, and is a progressive liberal who thinks Medicare for All and a UBI are good ideas, concludes there was nothing egregious, and it's the secretary of state of Georgia who comes out looking bad. The part about 11,700 votes is after discussion where Trump claims he won fairly, claims many voting irregularities in excess of the amount, and then says he only needs 11,700. There's nothing fraudulent about that.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J2MoJp9ueMc
I don't know, the tape of Trump seems to be the most convincing evidence of attempted electoral fraud that's come up yet. He's trying to cajole somebody into making up votes.
Trying to get someone to do his damn job.
You have to have the most toxic orange colored glasses to interpret this in any other way. But if you look hard enough their TDS allows them to unironically spin this in the most self serving way possible.
https://www.nytimes.com/2021/01/03/us/politics/trump-raffensperger-georgia-call-transcript.html
They apparently replaced the short version with the long one, that's why I asked.
I listened to the full hour and linked to the full hour in my message.
Might have something to do with the 400 Mill he owes the Germans/Russians...
SHARK, I am serious when i say this. No fucking around, no internet tough guy nonsense, not trying to "win" an argument. If you listen to the recording of Trump's conversation, I do not think you can honestly walk away and say Trump's behavior was moral or ethical. I just don't. So, please, listen to it. The whole thing, so you get all the context. You will hear Trump rationally lay out his case for why he thinks he did win in Georgia and what the claims are about fraud and how it should be handled, and then responses, and then Trump crosses the line into unethical things. Listen to it yourself and you decide.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AW_Bdf_jGaA
dementia speaks.
The Biden campaign responded ably to the 60+ cases brought by Trump and his allies, defeating all those attempts to undermine democracy.
I thought that was due to the Court system but you are right, it was because of the Biden campaign.
I don't know, the tape of Trump seems to be the most convincing evidence of attempted electoral fraud that's come up yet. He's trying to cajole somebody into making up votes.
Trying to get someone to do his damn job.
You have to have the most toxic orange colored glasses to interpret this in any other way. But if you look hard enough their TDS allows them to unironically spin this in the most self serving way possible.
https://www.nytimes.com/2021/01/03/us/politics/trump-raffensperger-georgia-call-transcript.html
dementia speaks.
The Biden campaign responded ably to the 60+ cases brought by Trump and his allies, defeating all those attempts to undermine democracy.
I thought that was due to the Court system but you are right, it was because of the Biden campaign.
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It was the product of the most extensive and inclusive voter fraud organization in the history of American politics.I don't know, the tape of Trump seems to be the most convincing evidence of attempted electoral fraud that's come up yet. He's trying to cajole somebody into making up votes.
Trying to get someone to do his damn job.
You have to have the most toxic orange colored glasses to interpret this in any other way. But if you look hard enough their TDS allows them to unironically spin this in the most self serving way possible.
https://www.nytimes.com/2021/01/03/us/politics/trump-raffensperger-georgia-call-transcript.html
If this audio had been published by Project Veritas people would be saying that it was deceptively edited. But since they heard it from WaPo obviously it was on the level (even though it was clearly deceptively edited and out of context).
The Biden campaign responded ably to the 60+ cases brought by Trump and his allies, defeating all those attempts to undermine democracy.
I thought that was due to the Court system but you are right, it was because of the Biden campaign.
The Biden campaign spent months building a voter protection unit that included a “boiler room” made up of hundreds of lawyers. It's led by former Obama White House counsel Bob Bauer and Dana Remus, who served as the campaign’s general counsel.
I don't know, the tape of Trump seems to be the most convincing evidence of attempted electoral fraud that's come up yet. He's trying to cajole somebody into making up votes.
Trying to get someone to do his damn job.
Did you listen to the 4 minute excerpt they originally had up, or the full hour long phone call they replaced it with later? Most of the reactions seem to be based on the short version, which was selectively edited, with statements taken out of context and jump cuts.
I can't tolerate listening to Trump for more than about 10 seconds in row, so I'll never listen to either. But Tim Pool, who voted for Trump in this election but thinks Biden won, and is a progressive liberal who thinks Medicare for All and a UBI are good ideas, concludes there was nothing egregious, and it's the secretary of state of Georgia who comes out looking bad. The part about 11,700 votes is after discussion where Trump claims he won fairly, claims many voting irregularities in excess of the amount, and then says he only needs 11,700. There's nothing fraudulent about that.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J2MoJp9ueMc
This Tim Pool (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tim_Pool#Views)? ::)Yep. He's an interesting mix. Progressive, but strongly anti-authoritarian, so he ends up favoring Trump over the establishment of either party, but can also be quite critical of him.
I don't know, the tape of Trump seems to be the most convincing evidence of attempted electoral fraud that's come up yet. He's trying to cajole somebody into making up votes.
Trying to get someone to do his damn job.
Unexpected but good of you to admit that the job of Republicans in state government is to steal elections.
It was the product of the most extensive and inclusive voter fraud organization in the history of American politics.
Winning cases, even the slam dunk ones, still requires lawyers to respond for the defendants or as intervenors. Take a look at the many cases at democracydocket.com, which also includes cases against voter suppression schemes affecting future elections.
Unexpected but good of you to admit that the job of Republicans in state government is to steal elections.
When the price of something like a Senate seat appreciates so dramatically in value, what does it mean? A shortage could be the explanation, but the number of Senate seats doesn't seem to have changed. Maybe it's because the customers who are buying those seats feel they're getting more for their money than they used to?
Are you suggesting someone would actually be willing to buy Kamala's used seat?!When the price of something like a Senate seat appreciates so dramatically in value, what does it mean? A shortage could be the explanation, but the number of Senate seats doesn't seem to have changed. Maybe it's because the customers who are buying those seats feel they're getting more for their money than they used to?
How much do you think Kamala will be able to get for hers?
How much do you think Kamala will be able to get for hers?Are you suggesting someone would actually be willing to buy Kamala's used seat?!
Amazing!
My Take:
Trump will never forget
https://twitter.com/RyanLizza/status/1346304222405529601
Those who went against Trump will pay in the end, he will unseat each and everyone one of them in the next 4 years, how by telling the people and the people will vote them out!
1. Pence rejects electors from fraud states and sent back to state legislatures
2. Biden doesn’t have 270 on 1/6
3. State legislatures convene hearings
4. Trump drops powerful new evidence
5. Fraud states decertify
6. 12A House Vote – 1 per state delegation
7. Trump 2nd term
This election is NOT over!
WWG1WGA!
I promise to treat the Polident-Elect and his Roundheeled Accomplice with all the charm and grace that the Democrats treated Donald Trump.How much do you think Kamala will be able to get for hers?Are you suggesting someone would actually be willing to buy Kamala's used seat?!
Amazing!
Whats your offer?My Take:
Trump will never forget
https://twitter.com/RyanLizza/status/1346304222405529601
Those who went against Trump will pay in the end, he will unseat each and everyone one of them in the next 4 years, how by telling the people and the people will vote them out!
1. Pence rejects electors from fraud states and sent back to state legislatures
2. Biden doesn’t have 270 on 1/6
3. State legislatures convene hearings
4. Trump drops powerful new evidence
5. Fraud states decertify
6. 12A House Vote – 1 per state delegation
7. Trump 2nd term
This election is NOT over!
WWG1WGA!
I have no confidence in Mike Pence.
I think it is time to accept that the Democrat machine stole this one fair and square.
I promise to treat the Polident-Elect and his Roundheeled Accomplice with all the charm and grace that the Democrats treated Donald Trump.THAT'S THE SPIRIT, Ghost! ;D
Two Bidens and five pandemics!How much do you think Kamala will be able to get for hers?Are you suggesting someone would actually be willing to buy Kamala's used seat?!
Amazing!
Whats your offer?
I have no confidence in Mike Pence.We are loving your DESPAIR right now. It's rooted in logic, reason, and a desire to stop the rest of the election! "Enough! Enough!" we hear you say. But, I tell you ~ THE KILLING GAME has only just begun!
I think it is time to accept that the Democrat machine stole this one fair and square.
I think it is time to accept that the Democrat machine stole this one fair and square.We are loving your DESPAIR right now. It's rooted in logic, reason, and a desire to stop the rest of the election!
Winning cases, even the slam dunk ones, still requires lawyers to respond for the defendants or as intervenors. Take a look at the many cases at democracydocket.com, which also includes cases against voter suppression schemes affecting future elections.
Well, no.
Winning cases requires that you win cases. Not sure how this tautology escaped you?
Of course the job of Republicans is to steal elections.
Of course the job of Republicans is to steal elections.
Yes, this is common among Republicans. Attributing it to all politicians is not correct.
Buh bye, Mitch.
I just read from the MSM that the Democrats are now projected to win both of the Georgia Senate races.
Greetings!The Democrats need to thank Trump for this. If Trump hadn't thrown his post-election loss tantrums, the Republicans likely would have done better in Georgia. It's not that the Republicans needed him to actively help them win, it's that he actively sabotaged the whole thing for them because he's a petulant child--if he can't win, he's going to make sure no Republicans can.
I just read from the MSM that the Democrats are now projected to win both of the Georgia Senate races.
Such a victory will provide the Democrats--assisted by two "Independent" Senators that routinely vote Democrat a 50-50 tie in the US Senate against the Republicans, with Kamala being the voting tie breaker as the projected Vice President.
Such wonderful news. :(
Happy New Years is starting out just great. >:(
Semper Fidelis,
SHARK
I just read from the MSM that the Democrats are now projected to win both of the Georgia Senate races.
Are you saying that you believe what the mainstream media is telling you? For what it's worth, Newsmax is saying the same thing.
In somewhat overlooked news this week, investigators in Georgia re-examined 15,000 signatures in Cobb County, and checked on all the cases that were questionable. No fraudulent votes were found. There were two envelopes found to be improperly signed, but the voters were contacted and confirmed that the envelopes were genuine.
https://www.marketwatch.com/story/audit-of-georgia-countys-15-000-absentee-ballot-signatures-turns-up-zero-fraud-01609368663
https://www.ajc.com/politics/no-fraud-georgia-audit-confirms-authenticity-of-absentee-ballots/QF2PTOGHLNDLNDJEWBU56WEQHM/
And the lawsuit from Gohmert to force Pence to claim authority to reject Elector votes was rejected by the appeals court.
https://www.businessinsider.com/federal-appeals-court-dismisses-gohmert-lawsuit-against-pence-2021-1
Tomorrow will be the counting in Congress. Without any successful court challenges, I don't see the legal grounds for blocking the vote. I think it's still worth discussing about the claims of various sources - like whether there really was a special forces raid in Germany for those servers and the results, or other points.
I just read from the MSM that the Democrats are now projected to win both of the Georgia Senate races.
Are you saying that you believe what the mainstream media is telling you? For what it's worth, Newsmax is saying the same thing.
In somewhat overlooked news this week, investigators in Georgia re-examined 15,000 signatures in Cobb County, and checked on all the cases that were questionable. No fraudulent votes were found. There were two envelopes found to be improperly signed, but the voters were contacted and confirmed that the envelopes were genuine.
https://www.marketwatch.com/story/audit-of-georgia-countys-15-000-absentee-ballot-signatures-turns-up-zero-fraud-01609368663
https://www.ajc.com/politics/no-fraud-georgia-audit-confirms-authenticity-of-absentee-ballots/QF2PTOGHLNDLNDJEWBU56WEQHM/
And the lawsuit from Gohmert to force Pence to claim authority to reject Elector votes was rejected by the appeals court.
https://www.businessinsider.com/federal-appeals-court-dismisses-gohmert-lawsuit-against-pence-2021-1
Tomorrow will be the counting in Congress. Without any successful court challenges, I don't see the legal grounds for blocking the vote. I think it's still worth discussing about the claims of various sources - like whether there really was a special forces raid in Germany for those servers and the results, or other points.
There wasn't, and what's more, the company that was supposedly raided has responded to this BS. They don't even have any offices in Germany. It's not worth discussing that any more than it is any of the other lies being spewed by the biggest bunch of sore loser crybabies in the history of US politics.
Greetings!The Democrats need to thank Trump for this. If Trump hadn't thrown his post-election loss tantrums, the Republicans likely would have done better in Georgia. It's not that the Republicans needed him to actively help them win, it's that he actively sabotaged the whole thing for them because he's a petulant child--if he can't win, he's going to make sure no Republicans can.
I just read from the MSM that the Democrats are now projected to win both of the Georgia Senate races.
Such a victory will provide the Democrats--assisted by two "Independent" Senators that routinely vote Democrat a 50-50 tie in the US Senate against the Republicans, with Kamala being the voting tie breaker as the projected Vice President.
Such wonderful news. :(
Happy New Years is starting out just great. >:(
Semper Fidelis,
SHARK
Greetings!The Democrats need to thank Trump for this. If Trump hadn't thrown his post-election loss tantrums, the Republicans likely would have done better in Georgia. It's not that the Republicans needed him to actively help them win, it's that he actively sabotaged the whole thing for them because he's a petulant child--if he can't win, he's going to make sure no Republicans can.
I just read from the MSM that the Democrats are now projected to win both of the Georgia Senate races.
Such a victory will provide the Democrats--assisted by two "Independent" Senators that routinely vote Democrat a 50-50 tie in the US Senate against the Republicans, with Kamala being the voting tie breaker as the projected Vice President.
Such wonderful news. :(
Happy New Years is starting out just great. >:(
Semper Fidelis,
SHARK
I can agree that many that "voted Republican" really just "voted Trump" (and that at least some that "voted Democrat" probably just "voted anti-Trump") in the election. The downside of the two-party system is that the alliances with radical independents (even if they don't identify themselves as such) sometimes hurt more than they help. On the Left we have the hard Socialists that drag down the mainstream Democrats (and may destroy it if their numbers continue to grow), and on the right, we have the Trumpists that are destroying the Republican party because they seem to have grown to outnumber the reasonable conservatives.Greetings!The Democrats need to thank Trump for this. If Trump hadn't thrown his post-election loss tantrums, the Republicans likely would have done better in Georgia. It's not that the Republicans needed him to actively help them win, it's that he actively sabotaged the whole thing for them because he's a petulant child--if he can't win, he's going to make sure no Republicans can.
I just read from the MSM that the Democrats are now projected to win both of the Georgia Senate races.
Such a victory will provide the Democrats--assisted by two "Independent" Senators that routinely vote Democrat a 50-50 tie in the US Senate against the Republicans, with Kamala being the voting tie breaker as the projected Vice President.
Such wonderful news. :(
Happy New Years is starting out just great. >:(
Semper Fidelis,
SHARK
Laughably out of touch take, but I think your comment is more of a concern troll.
Anyways Republicans lost because congress shot down a stimulus bill that Trump explicitly requested. Something that had over 70% support from republicans and independents. Furthermore the candidates in question are percieved to have turned their back on a president that has a 93% in party approval.
Neo cons will desperately do what you're saying and try to wash their hands of trumpism, but they will face the wrath of their voters and be replaced in doing so. Republicans arent buying what they're selling. They want trumpism. The collapse in fox news ratings pretty much overnight tells you all that you need to know about the desired direction of the party.
Greetings!You're still believing anything brought forth by Rudy Giuliani (BTW, learn how to spell his name, you fucking dimwit)? You are so far gone that you must be crying to yourself while you masturbate to your fallen Emperor.
At the rally in Washington, DC just s bit ago, a Constitutional lawyer reached the stage with Rudi Juliani and described how the Democrats used the voting machine algorithyms to engage in fraud and subvert the Senate election in Georgia. This has evidently been observed in real time last night, and the team with President Trump understands very clearly how the Democrats have embraced fraud and corruption in the Senate election last night, and in the same manner that they embraced fraud and corruption on the 2020 Election on November 3, 2020.
More fraud and corruption from the Marxist Democrats. Damn right America needs to be saved from these corrupt traitors! The disgusting, corrupt Democrats, and their wormy, snivelling RINO allies as well. They all need to effing pay!
Semper Fidelis,
SHARK
Greetings!You're still believing anything brought forth by Rudy Giuliani (BTW, learn how to spell his name, you fucking dimwit)? You are so far gone that you must be crying to yourself while you masturbate to your fallen Emperor.
At the rally in Washington, DC just s bit ago, a Constitutional lawyer reached the stage with Rudi Juliani and described how the Democrats used the voting machine algorithyms to engage in fraud and subvert the Senate election in Georgia. This has evidently been observed in real time last night, and the team with President Trump understands very clearly how the Democrats have embraced fraud and corruption in the Senate election last night, and in the same manner that they embraced fraud and corruption on the 2020 Election on November 3, 2020.
More fraud and corruption from the Marxist Democrats. Damn right America needs to be saved from these corrupt traitors! The disgusting, corrupt Democrats, and their wormy, snivelling RINO allies as well. They all need to effing pay!
Semper Fidelis,
SHARK
I can agree that many that "voted Republican" really just "voted Trump" (and that at least some that "voted Democrat" probably just "voted anti-Trump") in the election. The downside of the two-party system is that the alliances with radical independents (even if they don't identify themselves as such) sometimes hurt more than they help. On the Left we have the hard Socialists that drag down the mainstream Democrats (and may destroy it if their numbers continue to grow), and on the right, we have the Trumpists that are destroying the Republican party because they seem to have grown to outnumber the reasonable conservatives.Greetings!The Democrats need to thank Trump for this. If Trump hadn't thrown his post-election loss tantrums, the Republicans likely would have done better in Georgia. It's not that the Republicans needed him to actively help them win, it's that he actively sabotaged the whole thing for them because he's a petulant child--if he can't win, he's going to make sure no Republicans can.
I just read from the MSM that the Democrats are now projected to win both of the Georgia Senate races.
Such a victory will provide the Democrats--assisted by two "Independent" Senators that routinely vote Democrat a 50-50 tie in the US Senate against the Republicans, with Kamala being the voting tie breaker as the projected Vice President.
Such wonderful news. :(
Happy New Years is starting out just great. >:(
Semper Fidelis,
SHARK
Laughably out of touch take, but I think your comment is more of a concern troll.
Anyways Republicans lost because congress shot down a stimulus bill that Trump explicitly requested. Something that had over 70% support from republicans and independents. Furthermore the candidates in question are percieved to have turned their back on a president that has a 93% in party approval.
Neo cons will desperately do what you're saying and try to wash their hands of trumpism, but they will face the wrath of their voters and be replaced in doing so. Republicans arent buying what they're selling. They want trumpism. The collapse in fox news ratings pretty much overnight tells you all that you need to know about the desired direction of the party.
In a dream world, I would love to see the moderate members of both parties form a third party and leave the extreme Left and extreme Right out on their own.
I can agree that many that "voted Republican" really just "voted Trump" (and that at least some that "voted Democrat" probably just "voted anti-Trump") in the election. The downside of the two-party system is that the alliances with radical independents (even if they don't identify themselves as such) sometimes hurt more than they help. On the Left we have the hard Socialists that drag down the mainstream Democrats (and may destroy it if their numbers continue to grow), and on the right, we have the Trumpists that are destroying the Republican party because they seem to have grown to outnumber the reasonable conservatives.Greetings!The Democrats need to thank Trump for this. If Trump hadn't thrown his post-election loss tantrums, the Republicans likely would have done better in Georgia. It's not that the Republicans needed him to actively help them win, it's that he actively sabotaged the whole thing for them because he's a petulant child--if he can't win, he's going to make sure no Republicans can.
I just read from the MSM that the Democrats are now projected to win both of the Georgia Senate races.
Such a victory will provide the Democrats--assisted by two "Independent" Senators that routinely vote Democrat a 50-50 tie in the US Senate against the Republicans, with Kamala being the voting tie breaker as the projected Vice President.
Such wonderful news. :(
Happy New Years is starting out just great. >:(
Semper Fidelis,
SHARK
Laughably out of touch take, but I think your comment is more of a concern troll.
Anyways Republicans lost because congress shot down a stimulus bill that Trump explicitly requested. Something that had over 70% support from republicans and independents. Furthermore the candidates in question are percieved to have turned their back on a president that has a 93% in party approval.
Neo cons will desperately do what you're saying and try to wash their hands of trumpism, but they will face the wrath of their voters and be replaced in doing so. Republicans arent buying what they're selling. They want trumpism. The collapse in fox news ratings pretty much overnight tells you all that you need to know about the desired direction of the party.
In a dream world, I would love to see the moderate members of both parties form a third party and leave the extreme Left and extreme Right out on their own.
I would gladly support a far right party and probably do so as soon as it is viable. Neocons are garbage and essentially just Democrats going the speed limit. They've conserved nothing besides welfare for corporations rather than welfare for their people, embraced mass migration for a steady influx of unlimited cheap labor, have allowed gun rights to suffer death by a thousand cuts with feeble pushback, and have conceeded every cultural issue of importance, dooming us to this globehomo clownworld of today where Netflixs "cuties" and Desmond the amazing are accepted.
The neoliberal and neoconservative factions in this country pass the ball back and forth while going through business as usual, all while giving bullshit lip service theatrics to their supporters. It would be wonderful to see them gone and I believe we will in time, as a lot of young people of either political ideology are very angry and very disillusioned with the system.
Greetings!You're still believing anything brought forth by Rudy Giuliani (BTW, learn how to spell his name, you fucking dimwit)? You are so far gone that you must be crying to yourself while you masturbate to your fallen Emperor.
At the rally in Washington, DC just s bit ago, a Constitutional lawyer reached the stage with Rudi Juliani and described how the Democrats used the voting machine algorithyms to engage in fraud and subvert the Senate election in Georgia. This has evidently been observed in real time last night, and the team with President Trump understands very clearly how the Democrats have embraced fraud and corruption in the Senate election last night, and in the same manner that they embraced fraud and corruption on the 2020 Election on November 3, 2020.
More fraud and corruption from the Marxist Democrats. Damn right America needs to be saved from these corrupt traitors! The disgusting, corrupt Democrats, and their wormy, snivelling RINO allies as well. They all need to effing pay!
Semper Fidelis,
SHARK
Greetings!
I misspelled Rudi Giuliani's name. *shrug* So fucking what? At least I am not a weak-minded, Marxist cuck like you.
Semper Fidelis,
SHARK
At the rally in Washington, DC just s bit ago, a Constitutional lawyer reached the stage with Rudi Juliani and described how the Democrats used the voting machine algorithyms to engage in fraud and subvert the Senate election in Georgia. This has evidently been observed in real time last night, and the team with President Trump understands very clearly how the Democrats have embraced fraud and corruption in the Senate election last night, and in the same manner that they embraced fraud and corruption on the 2020 Election on November 3, 2020.
Tomorrow will be the counting in Congress. Without any successful court challenges, I don't see the legal grounds for blocking the vote. I think it's still worth discussing about the claims of various sources - like whether there really was a special forces raid in Germany for those servers and the results, or other points.
There wasn't, and what's more, the company that was supposedly raided has responded to this BS. They don't even have any offices in Germany. It's not worth discussing that any more than it is any of the other lies being spewed by the biggest bunch of sore loser crybabies in the history of US politics.
BWAHAHAHAHAHAH... the lack of self awareness in this comment is epic. You seem to forget the the constant last 4 years of Democrats spewing lies and spinning conspiracies.... because they couldn't get over the results of an election. Pot meet kettle, what a dishonest floater you are.
At the rally in Washington, DC just s bit ago, a Constitutional lawyer reached the stage with Rudi Juliani and described how the Democrats used the voting machine algorithyms to engage in fraud and subvert the Senate election in Georgia. This has evidently been observed in real time last night, and the team with President Trump understands very clearly how the Democrats have embraced fraud and corruption in the Senate election last night, and in the same manner that they embraced fraud and corruption on the 2020 Election on November 3, 2020.
Are you saying you consider the word of the *lawyer* to constitute serious evidence?!? Previously there was a lot of big talk about how the Kraken was going to show everyone, convince judges, and disrupt the election. But now it seems like standards have slipped to the word of a lawyer and Twitter posters.Tomorrow will be the counting in Congress. Without any successful court challenges, I don't see the legal grounds for blocking the vote. I think it's still worth discussing about the claims of various sources - like whether there really was a special forces raid in Germany for those servers and the results, or other points.
There wasn't, and what's more, the company that was supposedly raided has responded to this BS. They don't even have any offices in Germany. It's not worth discussing that any more than it is any of the other lies being spewed by the biggest bunch of sore loser crybabies in the history of US politics.
BWAHAHAHAHAHAH... the lack of self awareness in this comment is epic. You seem to forget the the constant last 4 years of Democrats spewing lies and spinning conspiracies.... because they couldn't get over the results of an election. Pot meet kettle, what a dishonest floater you are.
So shuddemell, do you think that the raid in Germany happened?
As for Democrats, there are plenty of unverified claims regarding Russian interference on social media. However, the Democrats claiming Russian interference at least have some court cases on their side: the convictions of Flynn, Manafort, Papadopolous, Cohen, and Gates. And they have the Mueller report and other official statements from the DOJ and FBI - which don't implicate Trump personally, but have detailed Russian efforts to manipulate the election that include people in Trump's administration.
By contrast, the fraud claims from Trump have been more far-reaching, and have less verified evidence to show. There are a few dozen witnesses, but even the top selection of these have not convinced judges or election officials. Trump has been President of the United States for four years, and he has appointed a ton of judges and officials - yet even his own appointments (like William Barr) have largely not supported him in his claims.
At the rally in Washington, DC just s bit ago, a Constitutional lawyer reached the stage with Rudi Juliani and described how the Democrats used the voting machine algorithyms to engage in fraud and subvert the Senate election in Georgia. This has evidently been observed in real time last night, and the team with President Trump understands very clearly how the Democrats have embraced fraud and corruption in the Senate election last night, and in the same manner that they embraced fraud and corruption on the 2020 Election on November 3, 2020.
Are you saying you consider the word of the *lawyer* to constitute serious evidence?!? Previously there was a lot of big talk about how the Kraken was going to show everyone, convince judges, and disrupt the election. But now it seems like standards have slipped to the word of a lawyer and Twitter posters.Tomorrow will be the counting in Congress. Without any successful court challenges, I don't see the legal grounds for blocking the vote. I think it's still worth discussing about the claims of various sources - like whether there really was a special forces raid in Germany for those servers and the results, or other points.
There wasn't, and what's more, the company that was supposedly raided has responded to this BS. They don't even have any offices in Germany. It's not worth discussing that any more than it is any of the other lies being spewed by the biggest bunch of sore loser crybabies in the history of US politics.
BWAHAHAHAHAHAH... the lack of self awareness in this comment is epic. You seem to forget the the constant last 4 years of Democrats spewing lies and spinning conspiracies.... because they couldn't get over the results of an election. Pot meet kettle, what a dishonest floater you are.
So shuddemell, do you think that the raid in Germany happened?
As for Democrats, there are plenty of unverified claims regarding Russian interference on social media. However, the Democrats claiming Russian interference at least have some court cases on their side: the convictions of Flynn, Manafort, Papadopolous, Cohen, and Gates. And they have the Mueller report and other official statements from the DOJ and FBI - which don't implicate Trump personally, but have detailed Russian efforts to manipulate the election that include people in Trump's administration.
By contrast, the fraud claims from Trump have been more far-reaching, and have less verified evidence to show. There are a few dozen witnesses, but even the top selection of these have not convinced judges or election officials. Trump has been President of the United States for four years, and he has appointed a ton of judges and officials - yet even his own appointments (like William Barr) have largely not supported him in his claims.
The Democrats need to thank Trump for this. If Trump hadn't thrown his post-election loss tantrums, the Republicans likely would have done better in Georgia. It's not that the Republicans needed him to actively help them win, it's that he actively sabotaged the whole thing for them because he's a petulant child--if he can't win, he's going to make sure no Republicans can.
Neither side would have gotten the same turnout in November without Trump. A lot of alternate histories without Trump or with a different Trump are possible; it's not clear how to judge their likely effects. But, as Lindsey Graham warned in May of 2016, "If we nominate Trump, we will get destroyed.......and we will deserve it." Fact check: True.
Gonna go out on a limb and say that Donald Trump will not pivot to being presidential in the remaining 14 days of his term.
Buh bye, Mitch.
Couldn't happen to a worse human being.
Currently loading magazines, faggots.
So who here is going to bail ship to another country after Jan 20?SJWs say the same shit every other election cycle. Nobody is moving anywhere. If you are a Republican there will be another demigod in another couple of cycles.
Pence just released a statement that he intends to read the votes as per his Constitutional duty, and accepts that he has no ability to interfere. Popping corn, and grabbing a brew. The salt mining today will be glorious.
Greetings!
*Thousands* of American patriots all singing the National Anthem as more patriots storm the Capital building!
Huge chants of "OUR HOUSE! OUR HOUSE! OUR HOUSE!"
More chanting, "USA! USA! USA!"
Hundreds of Americans pouring inside the doors! Thousands everywhere, surrounding everything!
Fucking LOCK AND LOAD!!! Amazing!
Semper Fidelis,
SHARK
The Democrats need to thank Trump for this. If Trump hadn't thrown his post-election loss tantrums, the Republicans likely would have done better in Georgia. It's not that the Republicans needed him to actively help them win, it's that he actively sabotaged the whole thing for them because he's a petulant child--if he can't win, he's going to make sure no Republicans can.
Yup amazing, time for the mask to come off and people to see what Trump has unleashed. Get a good hard look at what is crawling around under the rocks.
Lunatic, piss-yellow flag waving Trumpkins storm Capitol building pushing the US further towards becoming a Third World banana republic. Which is the fondest dream of Putin, Xi Jinping, and Trump himself. Well done Trumpkins. Your fearful leader and your foreign masters are very proud of you. Shameful!
Yup amazing, time for the mask to come off and people to see what Trump has unleashed. Get a good hard look at what is crawling around under the rocks.
8 months of BLM riots and now the mask has come off?
Yup amazing, time for the mask to come off and people to see what Trump has unleashed. Get a good hard look at what is crawling around under the rocks.
8 months of BLM riots and now the mask has come off?
Are you really unable to understand how bad this looks?
Yup amazing, time for the mask to come off and people to see what Trump has unleashed. Get a good hard look at what is crawling around under the rocks.
8 months of BLM riots and now the mask has come off?
Are you really unable to understand how bad this looks?
Capital Police have attempted to use mace, tear gas and batons. Whistles blowing loudly, all to no avail. Tens of thousands of Patriots marching everywhere. American flags waving like great forests.
Neither side would have gotten the same turnout in November without Trump. A lot of alternate histories without Trump or with a different Trump are possible; it's not clear how to judge their likely effects. But, as Lindsey Graham warned in May of 2016, "If we nominate Trump, we will get destroyed.......and we will deserve it." Fact check: True.
Gonna go out on a limb and say that Donald Trump will not pivot to being presidential in the remaining 14 days of his term.
STFU, shill. You and HappyFuck are the biggest cocksuckers on this site.
Greetings!Your patriots are criminals. They should be dealt with as such. Those that encourage their criminal behavior, like you SHARKtopussy, are criminals too.
Nancy Polosi's office has been taken. Evidently she left in such haste, she left her computer open. Patriots are reading her Emails right now, and searching her computer.
Capital Police have attempted to use mace, tear gas and batons. Whistles blowing loudly, all to no avail. Tens of thousands of Patriots marching everywhere. American flags waving like great forests. Other scenes show police merely standing by, watching as Patriots march and pour about. Police do not seem eager to be violent in general.
Thundering roars of USA! USA! USA!
More singing of the National Anthem! Thousands singing all in unison!
Entire Capital building looks like it is overwhelmed and thoroughly occupied by Patriots!
So many huge crowds everywhere! Men, women, all chanting!
MAGA!
Semper Fidelis,
SHARK
Your patriots are criminals. They should be dealt with as such. Those that encourage their criminal behavior--like you SHARKtopussy, are criminals too.
When have I ever supported criminal behavior, you lying sack of pus? Get your fucking story straight, jackhole. I have always opposed violent criminal behavior and the encouraging of it.Your patriots are criminals. They should be dealt with as such. Those that encourage their criminal behavior--like you SHARKtopussy, are criminals too.
Oh, now you hate criminal behaviour?
I bet that 180 narrative spin must have hurt.
BLM and these deranged "patriots" are the same thing. Anyone defending this is a hypocrite.Protesting (even with some rioting) and attempted insurrection are hardly the same thing. I hope that each of today's traitors are convicted and get the full 10 years in a Federal prison. As they deserve.
Say when, pussy.BLM and these deranged "patriots" are the same thing. Anyone defending this is a hypocrite.Protesting (even with some rioting) and attempted insurrection are hardly the same thing. I hope that each of today's traitors are convicted and get the full 10 years in a Federal prison. As they deserve.
I was sleeping. Did anything interesting happen?
We watched for eight months as actual fucking insurrections took place in leftist-controlled urban hellholes. And NOW you drag out your 'omg this is terrible convict all dese traiters'.Show me one single post I made in support of rioting this summer. Just one.
<snip>Fixed that sig for you.
SemperFidelisMentiri,
SHARK
BLM and these deranged "patriots" are the same thing. Anyone defending this is a hypocrite.Protesting (even with some rioting) and attempted insurrection are hardly the same thing. I hope that each of today's traitors are convicted and get the full 10 years in a Federal prison. As they deserve.
Say when, pussy.BLM and these deranged "patriots" are the same thing. Anyone defending this is a hypocrite.Protesting (even with some rioting) and attempted insurrection are hardly the same thing. I hope that each of today's traitors are convicted and get the full 10 years in a Federal prison. As they deserve.
We watched for eight months as actual fucking insurrections took place in leftist-controlled urban hellholes. And NOW you drag out your 'omg this is terrible convict all dese traiters'.
I hope this was worth it. The next guy won't be Trump. He'll most likely be Pinochet.
Have fun with that.
Oh, WOW!We watched for eight months as actual fucking insurrections took place in leftist-controlled urban hellholes. And NOW you drag out your 'omg this is terrible convict all dese traiters'.Show me one single post I made in support of rioting this summer. Just one.
Yeah you can't.
Trump and his Trumpkins have shown they aren't the party of law and order. They are the party of lies and chaos.
[edit]And now we know that the woman who was shot inside the Capitol Building during this riot has died.<snip>Fixed that sig for you.
SemperFidelisMentiri,
SHARK
We watched for eight months as actual fucking insurrections took place in leftist-controlled urban hellholes. And NOW you drag out your 'omg this is terrible convict all dese traiters'.Show me one single post I made in support of rioting this summer. Just one.
Yeah you can't.
Trump and his Trumpkins have shown they aren't the party of law and order. They are the party of lies and chaos.
[edit]And now we know that the woman who was shot inside the Capitol Building during this riot has died.<snip>Fixed that sig for you.
SemperFidelisMentiri,
SHARK
I agree. "Left" wing extremist violence is always justified, but "Right" wing extremist violence (even with none of them actually attacking anyone*; just entering a government building paid for by their tax dollars) never is.
*the only one attacked (and apparently killed) from what I've gathered so far was a Trump supporting woman who got shot by the guards. The people surrounding her didn't even attack the guards in outrage (at least from the clip I saw).
Here is your DESPAIR:I was sleeping. Did anything interesting happen?
Not much. Kim Kardashian and Kanye West are getting a divorce, and some fuckstain terrorists attempted a coup of the United States government to subvert democracy but didn't. Oh, yeah, and there's a big sale on the classic Archie comics if you're into that kind of thing.
I agree. "Left" wing extremist violence is always justified, but "Right" wing extremist violence (even with none of them actually attacking anyone*; just entering a government building paid for by their tax dollars) never is.*the only one attacked (and apparently killed) from what I've gathered so far was a Trump supporting woman who got shot by the guards. The people surrounding her didn't even attack the guards in outrage (at least from the clip I saw).
The protesters might not be killing people, but they are vandalizing the Capitol. From what I understand, this is the most significant breach of the Capitol in over 200 years -- since it was burned down by the British in 1814. I opposed violently storming and vandalizing local police stations like in Portland -- so I think it's completely consistent to also oppose violently storming and vandalizing the frickin Capitol of the United States.
A protester carrying the Confederate Battle Flag in the Capitol:Yeah, that never happened during entire Civil War. But we had a Republican president then who wanted to preserve the Union, not to one trying to tear it apart.
https://twitter.com/corinne_perkins/status/1346929380816166920
Here is your DESPAIR:I was sleeping. Did anything interesting happen?
Not much. Kim Kardashian and Kanye West are getting a divorce, and some fuckstain terrorists attempted a coup of the United States government to subvert democracy but didn't. Oh, yeah, and there's a big sale on the classic Archie comics if you're into that kind of thing.
Do you wanna know what they do with terrorists?
They round them up, they and their families.
They put them on trains and take them to the detention facilities.
They take their clothes from them and cut their hair off.
They force them to work without food or shelter or medical care.
They torture them, rape the women, tear the children away from them for medical experiments.
Then, they quietly execute them.
WELCOME TO YOUR NEW WORLD ORDER!
WELCOME TO YOUR DESPAIR!!!
I remember BLM supporters saying "They're just things."I'm sure some did say that. It's a big country you can always find someone to say something stupid.
Your DESPAIR:I remember BLM supporters saying "They're just things."I'm sure some did say that. It's a big country you can always find someone to say something stupid.
Some good news: our representatives are going back to work to do their Constitutionally appointed duty. (Well most of them will. Some may not.)
Yes, you just keep imagining that... And then you'll cry like a bitch when you realize the true patriots are not the criminals you endorse. You are a sad-sack, pathetic excuse for Marine, and real patriots will see it. And you'll go down like every other shark in Jaws did--like a bitch.
Just imagine when the Patriots decide that the traitors in our midst are DONE.
Your DESPAIR:I remember BLM supporters saying "They're just things."I'm sure some did say that. It's a big country you can always find someone to say something stupid.
Some good news: our representatives are going back to work to do their Constitutionally appointed duty. (Well most of them will. Some may not.)
If it isn't in the HOUSE, it isn't LEGAL.
(thank me l8r! ) :)
Yes, you just keep imagining that... And then you'll cry like a bitch when you realize the true patriots are not the criminals you endorse. You are a sad-sack, pathetic excuse for Marine, and real patriots will see it. And you'll go down like every other shark in Jaws did--like a bitch.
Just imagine when the Patriots decide that the traitors in our midst are DONE.
I remember BLM supporters saying "They're just things."I'm sure some did say that. It's a big country you can always find someone to say something stupid.
When have I ever supported criminal behavior, you lying sack of pus? Get your fucking story straight, jackhole. I have always opposed violent criminal behavior and the encouraging of it.Your patriots are criminals. They should be dealt with as such. Those that encourage their criminal behavior--like you SHARKtopussy, are criminals too.
Oh, now you hate criminal behaviour?
I bet that 180 narrative spin must have hurt.
Greetings!Shark,
Ghostmaker, in the video I posted above, there is a massive crowd of Patriots loudly chanting, "FUCK THE TRAITORS! FUCK THE TRAITORS! FUCK THE TRAITORS!"
Just imagine when the Patriots decide that the traitors in our midst are DONE.
It looks like it's coming.
Semper Fidelis,
SHARK
I'm surprised just how easy it was for them to breach the building. I'd have expected those windows to not budge to anything but industrial equipment.
Buh bye, Mitch.
Couldn't happen to a worse human being.
Of course it could, but happening to Mitch is still pretty good.
I was sleeping. Did anything interesting happen?
Not much. Kim Kardashian and Kanye West are getting a divorce, and some fuckstain terrorists attempted a coup of the United States government to subvert democracy but didn't. Oh, yeah, and there's a big sale on the classic Archie comics if you're into that kind of thing.
Being called names by a traitor to the legitimate government of the USA almost makes me feel...patriotic! Except that you're an all-talk, do-nothing little bitch, so your words mean less than a fart in the wind to me.Yes, you just keep imagining that... And then you'll cry like a bitch when you realize the true patriots are not the criminals you endorse. You are a sad-sack, pathetic excuse for Marine, and real patriots will see it. And you'll go down like every other shark in Jaws did--like a bitch.
Just imagine when the Patriots decide that the traitors in our midst are DONE.
Greetings!
Fuck off, you weak, sobbing little bitch. You are nothing but a sniveling cockroach.
Semper Fidelis,
SHARK
Oh, you poor dear, you can't read. I have spoken out against violence many times. It's a big part of why I butt heads with SHARK and his embracing of it is why I think he's such a pathetic loser.When have I ever supported criminal behavior, you lying sack of pus? Get your fucking story straight, jackhole. I have always opposed violent criminal behavior and the encouraging of it.Your patriots are criminals. They should be dealt with as such. Those that encourage their criminal behavior--like you SHARKtopussy, are criminals too.
Oh, now you hate criminal behaviour?
I bet that 180 narrative spin must have hurt.
You never say anything against criminal behaviour you ignorant warthog faced buffoon. And now suddenly the pearls come out so you can clutch them while crying into your tea you miserable, vomitous mass.
So just go back to smelling your elderberries.
What you gonna do tough guy? Type at me some more?Greetings!Shark,
Ghostmaker, in the video I posted above, there is a massive crowd of Patriots loudly chanting, "FUCK THE TRAITORS! FUCK THE TRAITORS! FUCK THE TRAITORS!"
Just imagine when the Patriots decide that the traitors in our midst are DONE.
It looks like it's coming.
Semper Fidelis,
SHARK
My guess (and hopefully I'm wrong) is that we're going to see something akin to the Troubles in Ireland.
As I put it elsewhere, let's assume Trump has 70 million supporters (probably more, but 70 million is a nice round number).
If only a half-percent of those decide to get froggy, that's 375,000 hostiles.
The Provos (Provisional Irish Republican Army) was thought to number no more than ten thousand, tops.
How secure is Portland's electrical grid? How secure is LA's water supply? How does New York heat itself in the winter?
I mean, Bren, HappyDerp, Tubesnake Boogie, all seem to be eager to stick their dick in the crazy. Maybe they should understand what the stakes could be. Especially when the rules are off the table.
I was sleeping. Did anything interesting happen?
Not much. Kim Kardashian and Kanye West are getting a divorce, and some fuckstain terrorists attempted a coup of the United States government to subvert democracy but didn't. Oh, yeah, and there's a big sale on the classic Archie comics if you're into that kind of thing.
What, no link to the Archie comics sale?
Welcome to theRPGsite, Arthur Frayn.
Greetings!Shark,
Ghostmaker, in the video I posted above, there is a massive crowd of Patriots loudly chanting, "FUCK THE TRAITORS! FUCK THE TRAITORS! FUCK THE TRAITORS!"
Just imagine when the Patriots decide that the traitors in our midst are DONE.
It looks like it's coming.
Semper Fidelis,
SHARK
My guess (and hopefully I'm wrong) is that we're going to see something akin to the Troubles in Ireland.
As I put it elsewhere, let's assume Trump has 70 million supporters (probably more, but 70 million is a nice round number).
If only a half-percent of those decide to get froggy, that's 375,000 hostiles.
The Provos (Provisional Irish Republican Army) was thought to number no more than ten thousand, tops.
How secure is Portland's electrical grid? How secure is LA's water supply? How does New York heat itself in the winter?
I mean, Bren, HappyDerp, Tubesnake Boogie, all seem to be eager to stick their dick in the crazy. Maybe they should understand what the stakes could be. Especially when the rules are off the table.
Oh, you poor dear, you can't read. I have spoken out against violence many times. It's a big part of why I butt heads with SHARK and his embracing of it is why I think he's such a pathetic loser.When have I ever supported criminal behavior, you lying sack of pus? Get your fucking story straight, jackhole. I have always opposed violent criminal behavior and the encouraging of it.Your patriots are criminals. They should be dealt with as such. Those that encourage their criminal behavior--like you SHARKtopussy, are criminals too.
Oh, now you hate criminal behaviour?
I bet that 180 narrative spin must have hurt.
You never say anything against criminal behaviour you ignorant warthog faced buffoon. And now suddenly the pearls come out so you can clutch them while crying into your tea you miserable, vomitous mass.
So just go back to smelling your elderberries.
Without going into detail, I'll just say that events at that "other" RPG site have inspired me to look for a new home. And I'll say no more about that.
Being called names by a traitor to the legitimate government of the USA almost makes me feel...patriotic! Except that you're an all-talk, do-nothing little bitch, so your words mean less than a fart in the wind to me.Yes, you just keep imagining that... And then you'll cry like a bitch when you realize the true patriots are not the criminals you endorse. You are a sad-sack, pathetic excuse for Marine, and real patriots will see it. And you'll go down like every other shark in Jaws did--like a bitch.
Just imagine when the Patriots decide that the traitors in our midst are DONE.
Greetings!
Fuck off, you weak, sobbing little bitch. You are nothing but a sniveling cockroach.
Semper Fidelis,
SHARK
At the rally in Washington, DC just s bit ago, a Constitutional lawyer reached the stage with Rudi Juliani and described how the Democrats used the voting machine algorithyms to engage in fraud and subvert the Senate election in Georgia. This has evidently been observed in real time last night, and the team with President Trump understands very clearly how the Democrats have embraced fraud and corruption in the Senate election last night, and in the same manner that they embraced fraud and corruption on the 2020 Election on November 3, 2020.
Are you saying you consider the word of the *lawyer* to constitute serious evidence?!? Previously there was a lot of big talk about how the Kraken was going to show everyone, convince judges, and disrupt the election. But now it seems like standards have slipped to the word of a lawyer and Twitter posters.Tomorrow will be the counting in Congress. Without any successful court challenges, I don't see the legal grounds for blocking the vote. I think it's still worth discussing about the claims of various sources - like whether there really was a special forces raid in Germany for those servers and the results, or other points.
There wasn't, and what's more, the company that was supposedly raided has responded to this BS. They don't even have any offices in Germany. It's not worth discussing that any more than it is any of the other lies being spewed by the biggest bunch of sore loser crybabies in the history of US politics.
BWAHAHAHAHAHAH... the lack of self awareness in this comment is epic. You seem to forget the the constant last 4 years of Democrats spewing lies and spinning conspiracies.... because they couldn't get over the results of an election. Pot meet kettle, what a dishonest floater you are.
So shuddemell, do you think that the raid in Germany happened?
As for Democrats, there are plenty of unverified claims regarding Russian interference on social media. However, the Democrats claiming Russian interference at least have some court cases on their side: the convictions of Flynn, Manafort, Papadopolous, Cohen, and Gates. And they have the Mueller report and other official statements from the DOJ and FBI - which don't implicate Trump personally, but have detailed Russian efforts to manipulate the election that include people in Trump's administration.
By contrast, the fraud claims from Trump have been more far-reaching, and have less verified evidence to show. There are a few dozen witnesses, but even the top selection of these have not convinced judges or election officials. Trump has been President of the United States for four years, and he has appointed a ton of judges and officials - yet even his own appointments (like William Barr) have largely not supported him in his claims.
Greetings!
I described what I saw of the live coverage of the Save America rally in Washington, DC. The man was introduced as one of the top Constitutional lawyers in the country, and listened to his description and analysis, in brief, of how the machines engaged in fraud. The Democrats are lying, corrupt scum that have engaged in a disgraceful litany of lies, fraud, corruption, and malice virtually every day over the last four years--and the Democrats have been subverted and corrupted by God-hating Marxists. I have been convinced that the Democrats have embraced corruption and fraud through a preponderance of evidence--signed affidavits, testimonies, statistical analysis, computer analysis, video footage, and what I saw on the night of the election. I support President Trump, and believe that our President loves America, and has been fighting the corrupt swamp so as to make America great. President Trump is fighting for TRUTH, and for America. I believe that President Trump won the 2020 election lawfully and fairly, and the corrupt Democrats and RINOS have worked to steal the 2020 Election from President Trump, and from the American people. Our sacred Republic is at risk, and all patriotic Americans should resist the Marxist Democrat fraud and subversion of our election and our country.
Semper Fidelis,
SHARK
Haven't posted in a while to avoid all the fucking retarded CCP shills. Here is a video as a massive fuck you to anyone who said "you won't do anything".
Currently loading magazines, faggots.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ENPkiDl6Wdg
At the rally in Washington, DC just s bit ago, a Constitutional lawyer reached the stage with Rudi Juliani and described how the Democrats used the voting machine algorithyms to engage in fraud and subvert the Senate election in Georgia. This has evidently been observed in real time last night, and the team with President Trump understands very clearly how the Democrats have embraced fraud and corruption in the Senate election last night, and in the same manner that they embraced fraud and corruption on the 2020 Election on November 3, 2020.
Are you saying you consider the word of the *lawyer* to constitute serious evidence?!? Previously there was a lot of big talk about how the Kraken was going to show everyone, convince judges, and disrupt the election. But now it seems like standards have slipped to the word of a lawyer and Twitter posters.Tomorrow will be the counting in Congress. Without any successful court challenges, I don't see the legal grounds for blocking the vote. I think it's still worth discussing about the claims of various sources - like whether there really was a special forces raid in Germany for those servers and the results, or other points.
There wasn't, and what's more, the company that was supposedly raided has responded to this BS. They don't even have any offices in Germany. It's not worth discussing that any more than it is any of the other lies being spewed by the biggest bunch of sore loser crybabies in the history of US politics.
BWAHAHAHAHAHAH... the lack of self awareness in this comment is epic. You seem to forget the the constant last 4 years of Democrats spewing lies and spinning conspiracies.... because they couldn't get over the results of an election. Pot meet kettle, what a dishonest floater you are.
So shuddemell, do you think that the raid in Germany happened?
As for Democrats, there are plenty of unverified claims regarding Russian interference on social media. However, the Democrats claiming Russian interference at least have some court cases on their side: the convictions of Flynn, Manafort, Papadopolous, Cohen, and Gates. And they have the Mueller report and other official statements from the DOJ and FBI - which don't implicate Trump personally, but have detailed Russian efforts to manipulate the election that include people in Trump's administration.
By contrast, the fraud claims from Trump have been more far-reaching, and have less verified evidence to show. There are a few dozen witnesses, but even the top selection of these have not convinced judges or election officials. Trump has been President of the United States for four years, and he has appointed a ton of judges and officials - yet even his own appointments (like William Barr) have largely not supported him in his claims.
Greetings!
I described what I saw of the live coverage of the Save America rally in Washington, DC. The man was introduced as one of the top Constitutional lawyers in the country, and listened to his description and analysis, in brief, of how the machines engaged in fraud. The Democrats are lying, corrupt scum that have engaged in a disgraceful litany of lies, fraud, corruption, and malice virtually every day over the last four years--and the Democrats have been subverted and corrupted by God-hating Marxists. I have been convinced that the Democrats have embraced corruption and fraud through a preponderance of evidence--signed affidavits, testimonies, statistical analysis, computer analysis, video footage, and what I saw on the night of the election. I support President Trump, and believe that our President loves America, and has been fighting the corrupt swamp so as to make America great. President Trump is fighting for TRUTH, and for America. I believe that President Trump won the 2020 election lawfully and fairly, and the corrupt Democrats and RINOS have worked to steal the 2020 Election from President Trump, and from the American people. Our sacred Republic is at risk, and all patriotic Americans should resist the Marxist Democrat fraud and subversion of our election and our country.
Semper Fidelis,
SHARK
Wow, scary stuff. This is virtually verbatim from the fascist textbook.
For heaven's sake Fascism is a specific ideology with a specific definition, you can't honestly call anything you don't like fascist. Throwing the term around like you are just reduces the impact of it.
Haven't posted in a while to avoid all the fucking retarded CCP shills. Here is a video as a massive fuck you to anyone who said "you won't do anything".
Currently loading magazines, faggots.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ENPkiDl6Wdg
And this is just crazy.
Were you at the failed coup attempt, Brad?
creating a small-f definition doesn’t turn the nonsensical, sensical. By that standard 99% of all governments in history were “fascist”; it turns something from an aberration into the overwhelming historical norm.
Which would be very stupid rhetoric, and why it’s not surprising that #2 definition was created (probably within the last 10 years).
Haven't posted in a while to avoid all the fucking retarded CCP shills. Here is a video as a massive fuck you to anyone who said "you won't do anything".
Currently loading magazines, faggots.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ENPkiDl6Wdg
And this is just crazy.
Were you at the failed coup attempt, Brad?
Please, Brad cried to the DTRPG mods when I needled him there about a review he left. You think he could be at a scene like that without a case of diapers in one hand, and his mommy's hand in the other?
Well I think we've finally seen the end of the majority of Trump's prior support.
My parents are staunch Trump supporters, and have been for 4+ years. And this was the point where they finally, FINALLY were able to condemn him and regret their decision to support him.
And if they reacted that way, I can only imagine that response is happening across the nation tonight. Because they were hardcore supporters. 30 years of listening to right wing talk radio, constantly arguing with those who disagreed (in a logical and reasoned manner). And this was the day they decided enough was enough and they couldn't support him anymore.
I don't think he can successfully get the nomination ever again. I think this was, finally, the breaking point.
Haven't posted in a while to avoid all the fucking retarded CCP shills. Here is a video as a massive fuck you to anyone who said "you won't do anything".
Currently loading magazines, faggots.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ENPkiDl6Wdg
And this is just crazy.
Were you at the failed coup attempt, Brad?
I hadn't thought of that (your first point) and you are probably right. He'll always have his worshippers, but I think he'll lose more and more of the garden variety of conservatives who, in the end, believe in having a somewhat democratic society.
BLM and these deranged "patriots" are the same thing. Anyone defending this is a hypocrite.Protesting (even with some rioting) and attempted insurrection are hardly the same thing. I hope that each of today's traitors are convicted and get the full 10 years in a Federal prison. As they deserve.
We watched for eight months as actual fucking insurrections took place in leftist-controlled urban hellholes. And NOW you drag out your 'omg this is terrible convict all dese traiters'.
I hope this was worth it. The next guy won't be Trump. He'll most likely be Pinochet.
Have fun with that.
That doesn't really sound like much of a "guess" to me. It's more of a basic level reading of the situation at present, and if the "guess" is that it will continue, I put it in with guesses like "I guess the sun will come up tomorrow."
We watched for eight months as actual fucking insurrections took place in leftist-controlled urban hellholes. And NOW you drag out your 'omg this is terrible convict all dese traiters'.
I hope this was worth it. The next guy won't be Trump. He'll most likely be Pinochet.
Have fun with that.
I guess the people get the government they deserve. Just a bunch of bickering children on both sides, while the politicians do the bidding of the rich & powerful.
The gift that keeps on giving.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ErFmfNnVkAEwZT6?format=jpg&name=medium)
Right now the peaceful divorce looks like the best option for all sides.
Frankly I'm shocked to realize just how many British subjects are part of the RPG Site. The way everyone's so shocked about this you'd think you all didn't fight a war to overthrow a government that wasn't serving you.
We watched for eight months as actual fucking insurrections took place in leftist-controlled urban hellholes. And NOW you drag out your 'omg this is terrible convict all dese traiters'.
I hope this was worth it. The next guy won't be Trump. He'll most likely be Pinochet.
Have fun with that.
I guess the people get the government they deserve. Just a bunch of bickering children on both sides, while the politicians do the bidding of the rich & powerful.
We watched for eight months as actual fucking insurrections took place in leftist-controlled urban hellholes. And NOW you drag out your 'omg this is terrible convict all dese traiters'.
I hope this was worth it. The next guy won't be Trump. He'll most likely be Pinochet.
Have fun with that.
I guess the people get the government they deserve. Just a bunch of bickering children on both sides, while the politicians do the bidding of the rich & powerful.
I'm not sure how not storming Capitol Building would have stopped politicians from NOT doing the bidding of the rich & powerful. In fact, I'm pretty sure that's never going to stop until an actual revolution takes place.
We watched for eight months as actual fucking insurrections took place in leftist-controlled urban hellholes. And NOW you drag out your 'omg this is terrible convict all dese traiters'.
I hope this was worth it. The next guy won't be Trump. He'll most likely be Pinochet.
Have fun with that.
I guess the people get the government they deserve. Just a bunch of bickering children on both sides, while the politicians do the bidding of the rich & powerful.
I'm not sure how not storming Capitol Building would have stopped politicians from NOT doing the bidding of the rich & powerful. In fact, I'm pretty sure that's never going to stop until an actual revolution takes place.
How many revolutions do you know of that actually helped anyone except the power class?
Outside of the top 10% (those that vote red and not blue) what I’m seeing everywhere is a lot of people wanting him to do what he’s not been willing to do.
The gift that keeps on giving.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ErFmfNnVkAEwZT6?format=jpg&name=medium)
To be fair there is an actual difference between those protesting actual injustice, and those attempting to undermine democracy in furtherance of that very injustice...
14 Senators were going to support the objection to the election.
After today, only 6 stuck with that plan.
That proportion looks about right, nationally, for what I think just happened to his overall support. A bit more than half of his former supporters finally said enough is enough. And those 8 Senators saw the way the winds had just changed.
Outside of the top 10% (those that vote red and not blue) what I’m seeing everywhere is a lot of people wanting him to do what he’s not been willing to do.
The day isn't over yet.
The gift that keeps on giving.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ErFmfNnVkAEwZT6?format=jpg&name=medium)
To be fair there is an actual difference between those protesting actual injustice, and those attempting to undermine democracy in furtherance of that very injustice...
My violence is justified Yours is not.
Wow!
So many new people posting in this thread!
So many suckling the tit of
DESPAIR!
It makes my privates tingle just reading it!
...
THAT is why I am withholding some new info I got wind of, because it will KILL ALL THIS WONDERFUL
DESPAIR!
I will post it though. But not right away.
I am savouring this too much!
So, therefore, I am placing a link to the BEST SUREFIRE WAY TO MAKE LOADS OF CA$H during these trying and despairing times we are living in right now:
https://youtu.be/kJyovHZG4c4
I'm not sure how it works, but it sure sounds like something EVERYONE HERE would LOVE TO DO!
Have a :) nice day!
The gift that keeps on giving.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ErFmfNnVkAEwZT6?format=jpg&name=medium)
To be fair there is an actual difference between those protesting actual injustice, and those attempting to undermine democracy in furtherance of that very injustice...
The gift that keeps on giving.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ErFmfNnVkAEwZT6?format=jpg&name=medium)
To be fair there is an actual difference between those protesting actual injustice, and those attempting to undermine democracy in furtherance of that very injustice...
My violence is justified Yours is not.
Not my point, and not what I said, but nice Strawman.
NEWS FLASH!
THE YEAR OF LOVE AND DESPAIR IS HERE!
I CAN BEARLY STAND IT!
BWA-HAHAHAHAHAH!
=====================
Psyops only work if people are TOO STUPID not to question a NARRATIVE:
https://twitter.com/RealTina40/status/1346576260428926981
Who caused the damage in the Capitol today?
Who actually stormed the Building today?
Who wants anarchy?
Who wants Chaos?
Who promised this would happen so as to villainize their enemies?
Think back to Nov. 3rd
https://twitter.com/intheMatrixxx/status/1346897778132328451
(https://v1.nitrocdn.com/PtUefQrfncdsWOjilqcqdvGyQbUvpoWC/assets/desktop/optimized/rev-f43d399/media/bbd2930e3d1aac383aebf52f50803d88.ErEkY5bXMAA-n7R)
They were seen today. How awkward for the DEEP STATE!
https://twitter.com/paulsperry_/status/1346940301307310082
Who will benefit from this?
TRUMP? THE PATRIOTS? THOSE CALLING FOR ELECTION REFORMS?
Modus Operandi in play:
https://twitter.com/BroStreetJoy/status/1346894385359835142
Who deployed the NATIONAL GUARD?
https://twitter.com/disclosetv/status/1346908727111077889
https://twitter.com/PressSec/status/1346918582832168964
Do not give in to lawlessness!
Do not be fooled!
This is far from over!
WWG1WGA!!!
Yeah and I'm sure the Antifa refers to Trump supporters at "patriots" I mean, come on, at least TRY to get the lingo right.
Yeah and I'm sure the Antifa refers to Trump supporters at "patriots" I mean, come on, at least TRY to get the lingo right.
Yeah, that thing is as fake as Trump's tan.
14 Senators were going to support the objection to the election.
After today, only 6 stuck with that plan.
That proportion looks about right, nationally, for what I think just happened to his overall support. A bit more than half of his former supporters finally said enough is enough. And those 8 Senators saw the way the winds had just changed.
LMAO do you seriously think the senate is a good cross-section of trump supporters, or in any way representative?
Doctor, heal thy self of wistful fantasies. People world-wide are angry about what the oligarchs have delivered.
Even in Japan they’re marching for Trump, lol. In Japan. They know what happens if Wall Street continues humping China for cheap and slave labor.
https://twitter.com/mrjeffu/status/1346744290144206848?s=21Outside of the top 10% (those that vote red and not blue) what I’m seeing everywhere is a lot of people wanting him to do what he’s not been willing to do.
The day isn't over yet.
This is true. It’s been a day of the unexpected. I’m guessing it will be a week of the unexpected
Well you would think Capital Hill would be fortified especially on the sixth of all days. It was too easy to take over that building is what I am saying. Perhaps they relaxed security to bait people is my line of thought.Shush! You're making too much sense! You need to be all blustery and flustery so they don't realize what I'm doing! Shush!
14 Senators were going to support the objection to the election.
After today, only 6 stuck with that plan.
That proportion looks about right, nationally, for what I think just happened to his overall support. A bit more than half of his former supporters finally said enough is enough. And those 8 Senators saw the way the winds had just changed.
LMAO do you seriously think the senate is a good cross-section of trump supporters, or in any way representative?
Doctor, heal thy self of wistful fantasies. People world-wide are angry about what the oligarchs have delivered.
Even in Japan they’re marching for Trump, lol. In Japan. They know what happens if Wall Street continues humping China for cheap and slave labor.
https://twitter.com/mrjeffu/status/1346744290144206848?s=21Outside of the top 10% (those that vote red and not blue) what I’m seeing everywhere is a lot of people wanting him to do what he’s not been willing to do.
The day isn't over yet.
This is true. It’s been a day of the unexpected. I’m guessing it will be a week of the unexpected
I just love this idea that somehow Trump is a champion against oligarchy.
Well you would think Capital Hill would be fortified especially on the sixth of all days. It was too easy to take over that building is what I am saying. Perhaps they relaxed security to bait people is my line of thought.
BLM and these deranged "patriots" are the same thing. Anyone defending this is a hypocrite.Protesting (even with some rioting) and attempted insurrection are hardly the same thing. I hope that each of today's traitors are convicted and get the full 10 years in a Federal prison. As they deserve.
Why don't you defund the police now bitches.
NEWS FLASH!
THE YEAR OF LOVE AND DESPAIR IS HERE!
I CAN BEARLY STAND IT!
BWA-HAHAHAHAHAH!
=====================
Psyops only work if people are TOO STUPID not to question a NARRATIVE:
https://twitter.com/RealTina40/status/1346576260428926981
Who caused the damage in the Capitol today?
Who actually stormed the Building today?
Who wants anarchy?
Who wants Chaos?
Who promised this would happen so as to villainize their enemies?
Think back to Nov. 3rd
https://twitter.com/intheMatrixxx/status/1346897778132328451
(https://v1.nitrocdn.com/PtUefQrfncdsWOjilqcqdvGyQbUvpoWC/assets/desktop/optimized/rev-f43d399/media/bbd2930e3d1aac383aebf52f50803d88.ErEkY5bXMAA-n7R)
They were seen today. How awkward for the DEEP STATE!
https://twitter.com/paulsperry_/status/1346940301307310082
Who will benefit from this?
TRUMP? THE PATRIOTS? THOSE CALLING FOR ELECTION REFORMS?
Modus Operandi in play:
https://twitter.com/BroStreetJoy/status/1346894385359835142
Who deployed the NATIONAL GUARD?
https://twitter.com/disclosetv/status/1346908727111077889
https://twitter.com/PressSec/status/1346918582832168964
Do not give in to lawlessness!
Do not be fooled!
This is far from over!
WWG1WGA!!!
Speaking of being too stupid to question a narrative...
These type of fakes have been perpetrated before.
There are pictures of known alt-righters like Nick Fuentes and Baked Alaska inside the building, along with many other maskless MAGAs. How dumb, or in your case, mentally ill, do you have to be to fall for this shit?
"A convincing police uniform" lol okay
Speaking of being too stupid to question a narrative...
14 Senators were going to support the objection to the election.
After today, only 6 stuck with that plan.
That proportion looks about right, nationally, for what I think just happened to his overall support. A bit more than half of his former supporters finally said enough is enough. And those 8 Senators saw the way the winds had just changed.
Well I think we've finally seen the end of the majority of Trump's prior support.
My parents are staunch Trump supporters, and have been for 4+ years. And this was the point where they finally, FINALLY were able to condemn him and regret their decision to support him.
And if they reacted that way, I can only imagine that response is happening across the nation tonight. Because they were hardcore supporters. 30 years of listening to right wing talk radio, constantly arguing with those who disagreed (in a logical and reasoned manner). And this was the day they decided enough was enough and they couldn't support him anymore.
I don't think he can successfully get the nomination ever again. I think this was, finally, the breaking point.
BLM and these deranged "patriots" are the same thing. Anyone defending this is a hypocrite.Protesting (even with some rioting) and attempted insurrection are hardly the same thing. I hope that each of today's traitors are convicted and get the full 10 years in a Federal prison. As they deserve.
Why don't you defund the police now bitches.
This. What the fuck were they expecting? We saw over 200 days of the racial reckoning of 2020 where buildings were torched, residential homes were surrounded, business patrons were harrassed, and businesses themselves destroyed. The anarchy that reigned was downplayed and in some cases supported by establishment figures. To the right this proved that force works. Mob rule works. In several areas of the country politicans appeased the rioters.
And now I'm supposed to care when the right engages in the same tactics? Why would I when they're proven to be effective?
And why would I rely on s system that functions like this:
I really hope you're speaking in a generalist sense, because if you're referring to Jacob 'Rape my baby momma and steal her kids' Blake, I'm going to be a bit peeved.
-Police are still regularly gunning down innocent black guys without any consequences whatsoever.
-Democracy is still intact and Joe Biden is now President. The embarrassing acts of sedition yesterday didn't make anyone think "oh golly gee willikers, I guess we should put our heads down and give in to the inbred bullies now!" Instead, it has only made everyone think "damn, all those negative stereotypes about Trump supporters were completely dead on accurate. I guess we need to more aggressively hunt them down and stamp them out like Al Qaeda terror cells."As I stated before, I will give the Polident-Elect precisely all the respect that the Democrats gave Trump over four years.
Point being, that rioting just... Doesn't work. At all.
14 Senators were going to support the objection to the election.
After today, only 6 stuck with that plan.
That proportion looks about right, nationally, for what I think just happened to his overall support. A bit more than half of his former supporters finally said enough is enough. And those 8 Senators saw the way the winds had just changed.
If they honestly believed there was a problem with the vote, why would this change their minds.
Now, if they were just saying that to try and suck up to the constituents...
Well I think we've finally seen the end of the majority of Trump's prior support.
My parents are staunch Trump supporters, and have been for 4+ years. And this was the point where they finally, FINALLY were able to condemn him and regret their decision to support him.
And if they reacted that way, I can only imagine that response is happening across the nation tonight. Because they were hardcore supporters. 30 years of listening to right wing talk radio, constantly arguing with those who disagreed (in a logical and reasoned manner). And this was the day they decided enough was enough and they couldn't support him anymore.
I don't think he can successfully get the nomination ever again. I think this was, finally, the breaking point.
Huh, most of the conservatives I know were cheering this on. A lot of conservatives have lost all faith in the system, and rightfully so I believe.
BLM and these deranged "patriots" are the same thing. Anyone defending this is a hypocrite.Protesting (even with some rioting) and attempted insurrection are hardly the same thing. I hope that each of today's traitors are convicted and get the full 10 years in a Federal prison. As they deserve.
Why don't you defund the police now bitches.
This. What the fuck were they expecting? We saw over 200 days of the racial reckoning of 2020 where buildings were torched, residential homes were surrounded, business patrons were harrassed, and businesses themselves destroyed. The anarchy that reigned was downplayed and in some cases supported by establishment figures. To the right this proved that force works. Mob rule works. In several areas of the country politicans appeased the rioters.
And now I'm supposed to care when the right engages in the same tactics? Why would I when they're proven to be effective?
And why would I rely on s system that functions like this:
Except that these tactics haven't proven effective. For anyone. In fact, they have proven just the opposite:
-Police are still regularly gunning down innocent black guys without any consequences whatsoever.
-Democracy is still intact and Joe Biden is now President. The embarrassing acts of sedition yesterday didn't make anyone think "oh golly gee willikers, I guess we should put our heads down and give in to the inbred bullies now!" Instead, it has only made everyone think "damn, all those negative stereotypes about Trump supporters were completely dead on accurate. I guess we need to more aggressively hunt them down and stamp them out like Al Qaeda terror cells."
Point being, that rioting just... Doesn't work. At all.
-Police are still regularly gunning down innocent black guys without any consequences whatsoever.
-Democracy is still intact and Joe Biden is now President. The embarrassing acts of sedition yesterday didn't make anyone think "oh golly gee willikers, I guess we should put our heads down and give in to the inbred bullies now!" Instead, it has only made everyone think "damn, all those negative stereotypes about Trump supporters were completely dead on accurate. I guess we need to more aggressively hunt them down and stamp them out like Al Qaeda terror cells."
And Trump folds like a little bitch: https://mobile.reuters.com/article/amp/idUSKBN29C131
Dude has no balls at all.
-Police are still regularly gunning down innocent black guys without any consequences whatsoever.
Not really...according to the numbers it is mostly black people gunning down innocent black guys...
14 Senators were going to support the objection to the election.
After today, only 6 stuck with that plan.
That proportion looks about right, nationally, for what I think just happened to his overall support. A bit more than half of his former supporters finally said enough is enough. And those 8 Senators saw the way the winds had just changed.
If they honestly believed there was a problem with the vote, why would this change their minds.
Now, if they were just saying that to try and suck up to the constituents...
They will never support the neocons as your days are just as numbered Mistwell. They may have left Trump, but they are still nationalists. They will destroy the GOP, or make it something completely different.
Greetings!
Salty Cracker discusses the Leftists and the MSM narrative about the rally in DC. Excellent commentary.
Semper Fidelis,
SHARK
he mob has done something nobody else could do, to get me and Rand to agree. Rand is right. If you’re a conservative, this is the most offensive concept in the world that a single person could disenfranchise 155 million people. “The President of the Senate shall in the presence of the Senate and the House of Representatives open all certificates and the vote shall then be counted. The person having the greatest number of votes for president shall be president.” Where in there does it say, “Mike can say, ‘I don’t like the results. I want to send them back to the states. I believe there was fraud.'” To the conservatives who believe in the constitution, now’s your chance to stand up and be counted.
....
There are people dying, to my good friend from Illinois, to make sure we have a chance to argue among ourselves, and when it’s over, it is over. It is over. The final thing, Joe Biden. I’ve traveled the world with Joe. I hoped he lost. I prayed he would lose. He won. He’s the legitimate President of the United States. I cannot convince people, certain groups, by my words, but I will tell you by my actions that maybe I above all others in this body need to say this. Joe Biden and Kamala Harris are lawfully elected and will become the President and the Vice President of the United States on January the 20th.
Yet the ONE time Trump supporters have a large protest and a relatively small group (compared to the hundreds of thousands that showed up in DC) breaks away and decides to storm a government building that's public property on their own initiative (after Trump told them not to start shit earlier that day)--not assaulting anyone, just breaking windows to get in--this is suddenly an INSURRECTION personally led by Trump to stage a coup.
What about the protest in Michigan? What about the attempt to kidnap Governor Whitmer? What about the Capitol Police who were injured trying to block the crowd from entering?Dunno about the others, but the Whitmer kidnappers were nutters who hated Trump as much as Whitmer. Try again.
Why downplay the events? Why ignore the people who, even now, are saying that what the rioters got wrong was not hanging all the politicians?Don't worry, bro, I'm sure the Capitol has insurance. Think of it as a mostly peaceful protest.
And yes, representing the views of their constituents is literally the job.
Also deadDMWalking go fuck yourself.
I wouldn't be surprised if you are the Antifa tosser dressed up as the Indian
The photo and the caption are accurate, Angeli was indeed at a BLM protest. However, the photo is manipulated to crop out his QAnon sign. Angeli was photographed at a BLM protest...because he was there as a pro-Trump counter-protestor.
Here's the UNCROPPED image for you "Q Sent Me". That's Jake Angeli BTW - he's an actor and MAGA from Phoenix. pic.twitter.com/WOe9AzmCNs
— Kubrick's Lens Cap (@jonrosling) January 6, 2021
Furthermore, Angeli has made a name for himself as a big supporter of QAnon conspiracy, which is a hardcore pro-Trump movement. He has even spoken at pro-Trump events in support of Trump’s re-election.
They will never support the neocons as your days are just as numbered Mistwell. They may have left Trump, but they are still nationalists. They will destroy the GOP, or make it something completely different.
I fully expected that Trump would attempt a coup. And while I've always believed that he is an incompetent, narcissistic buffoon, I am surprised at how badly his last best chance to overthrow democracy was played. Apparently, despite my low opinion of him as a man, it still wasn't low enough.
Whatever the BLM twats have been doing doesn’t excuse what happened yesterday. We’ve had lots of riots in our history but we’ve never seen the seat of government stormed during a constitutional hearing. Whether you believe it was justified and considering it wasn’t a fully armed insurrection, it’s still shocking and couldn’t have helped the cause. Either way the president initiated it and that will go down in history.
Political violence is always wrong and should never be tolerated from anyone. Once "protesters" threaten lives and property, their grievances and ideology should become absolutely irrelevant to the situation.
That is, obviously, not the country we live in.
Long ago, we had an attitude of zero tolerance for terrorism, "we do not negotiate with terrorists," etc. One reason for this was the implicit understanding that negotiating with terrorism legitimizes it. Violence becomes an instrument of politics.
Some of us warned all last year that treating violence as acceptable, even laudable, from SOME people would mainstream it and touch off an arms race. Everyone would start getting the idea that only groups with a demonstrated capacity for violence are taken seriously.
When violence becomes acceptable from one party and its clients, one ideology, it becomes an instrument of authoritarianism. That's why authoritarian regimes frequently have violent vigilante groups roaming the streets in addition to their vast security and military forces.
Iran, for example, has all sorts of heavily armed police and security forces, working for both its secular and theocratic governments, but it ALSO has ultra-violent "vigilante" groups indulged by the State whose "grievances" supposedly justify vandalism and murder.
Either political violence is rejected in total - from everyone, for any reason, no matter who they are or what they believe - or it isn't. Once the tolerance level is no longer zero, we become locked in a vicious and endless struggle to control exactly what the level should be.
This is similar to the detestable way modern society handles racism. The tolerance level should be zero, but it isn't. Racism, prejudice, and discrimination are acceptable from SOME people toward SOME people. "Anti-racism" is an instrument of totalitarian power, not a principle.
Of course the particulars of protecting vital government facilities are different, but in principle the law-abiding residents and shop owners of Kenosha should have the same expectation of protection from political violence as politicians in D.C. But they don't, do they?
Every time a left-wing group gets violent, we're immediately told the protest was Mostly Peaceful, and the people who assembled peaceably - and their political leaders, no matter how incendiary their rhetoric - are 0% responsible for any injury or destruction that occurred.
We're told it's really all OUR fault for not listening to the grievances of the "protesters" who turned violent, even as we watch video of them merrily looting retail stores. We forced them to steal those TV sets by not yielding to their political demands!
Irresponsible political leaders who fanned the flames of left-wing violence and help the perpetrators escape accountability for their actions are never held to account, never told they must resign, rarely even advised to tone down their rhetoric.
And many - most - of the left-wing riots and killings of recent memory were based on falsehoods and misinformation. Outright lies were blasted by left-wing politicians and media without consequence, entirely BECAUSE they wanted to whip people into a frenzy.
And we were told all of that was fine, acceptable, even praiseworthy because their violence brought CHANGE and their lies illuminated DEEPER TRUTH. Okay, sure, we got everything about Mike Brown or Trayvon Martin's deaths wrong, but there were legit grievances to be addressed!
We have to stop doing that. We have to insist that every quarter of our political spectrum renounce violence, and the willful incitement to violence, completely and absolutely. No more cutesy-poo nudge-nudge wink-wink when lefties burn and pillage. No more double standards.
No more celebration of Noble Lies that illuminate Deeper Truth by the light of burning homes and businesses that were destroyed by mobs with Legitimate Grievances. No more indulgences for those who wantonly break the laws of the System That Failed Them.
That is a principle, and we should all be able to agree on it, no matter what else we disagree on. Absolute zero tolerance for political violence is a message that can save lives and prevent destruction if we all say it together and demand our government acts accordingly.
But if we decide the tolerance level for political violence will not be 0.0, then all that remains is for our armies to meet in the streets. Violence is too powerful, too USEFUL, and too profitable to be ignored when it is indulged.
William Roper: “So, now you give the Devil the benefit of law!”
Sir Thomas More: “Yes! What would you do? Cut a great road through the law to get after the Devil?”
William Roper: “Yes, I'd cut down every law in England to do that!”
Sir Thomas More: “Oh? And when the last law was down, and the Devil turned 'round on you, where would you hide, Roper, the laws all being flat? This country is planted thick with laws, from coast to coast, Man's laws, not God's! And if you cut them down, and you're just the man to do it, do you really think you could stand upright in the winds that would blow then? Yes, I'd give the Devil benefit of law, for my own safety's sake!"
At some point RPG.net is going to run out room anything but their Neo-Marxist posturing.
(https://www.therpgsite.com/the-rpgpundit-s-own-forum/2020-election-commentary/?action=dlattach;attach=1927;image)
Also deadDMWalking go fuck yourself. I wouldn't be surprised if you are the Antifa tosser dressed up as the Indian
They will never support the neocons as your days are just as numbered Mistwell. They may have left Trump, but they are still nationalists. They will destroy the GOP, or make it something completely different.
:)
Whatever the BLM twats have been doing doesn’t excuse what happened yesterday. We’ve had lots of riots in our history but we’ve never seen the seat of government stormed during a constitutional hearing. Whether you believe it was justified and considering it wasn’t a fully armed insurrection, it’s still shocking and couldn’t have helped the cause. Either way the president initiated it and that will go down in history.
Despite what your political masters have told you, myleftnut, you really can't have it both ways.
On June 1 alone, more than five times the number of people were arrested than on the day the Capitol was stormed, with 289 people booked.
A day of peaceful protesting against the police killing of George Floyd turned violent in the nation’s capital, as President Trump forced people away from the area surrounding the White House. Here’s how a photo op became a flashpoint in the movement against racism.
Reporting live, MSNBC correspondent Garrett Haake knew he couldn’t soft-pedal what he was seeing. “As calmly as I could, I very specifically said what just happened,” Haake tells The Ringer. “I didn’t want it to be, ‘The president just spoke’ or ‘clash with protesters.’ There was no clash. People were forcibly, aggressively removed from that park with flash bangs and gas.”
The brazen display of force, captured on video in broad daylight during a demonstration calling attention to yet more instances of the extrajudicial killing of Black Americans—including Breonna Taylor, shot eight times in her home by still-uncharged Louisville police officers; and Ahmaud Arbery, stalked and shot in Southeast Georgia while jogging by three men now charged with murder—symbolized exactly what the current movement is protesting. The scourge of racist policing predates Trump by centuries, but rather than acknowledge it with consequential legislation, he and his allies seem set on crushing the nationwide uprising against it. That was nakedly apparent on the first day of June.
Whatever the BLM twats have been doing doesn’t excuse what happened yesterday. We’ve had lots of riots in our history but we’ve never seen the seat of government stormed during a constitutional hearing. Whether you believe it was justified and considering it wasn’t a fully armed insurrection, it’s still shocking and couldn’t have helped the cause. Either way the president initiated it and that will go down in history.
Yes it does. Because history happens within a context. It doesn't take place in a vacuum, unperturbed by the circumstances surrounding it. And the context under which our current history has unfolded is one where political violence and rampant riots coming from one political side have been rationalized and even lionized by the media and prominent political figures for YEARS, while the other side has been continuously silenced and held to a different standard.
It's not a matter of whether it's justified or not, but that it has become inevitable and WILL continue to escalate, cuz the media and the establishment, as well as useful idiots in social media, are already throwing fuel into the fire. So things WON'T end here. This is only the beginning and it won't end well for anyone. This is the future YOU* created.
*and if not "you" literally, then "you" figuratively, as in the so-called "Left", the media and the establishment fomenting this.
Sure why not? The only thing that really irks me is these actions were take for the aggrandizement of one man. People’s lives are about to be wrecked because of this. People Trump wouldn’t piss on if they were on fire. One thing is clear to me. The deep state wants Trump’s ass and they will get it. The real deep state. The one that doesn’t care what party is in power.
Despite what your political masters have told you, myleftnut, you really can't have it both ways.
Actually, he's pointing out the double-standard that has been unfairly applied to BLM protesters.
Which double standard is that? Are you suggesting that the people in Portland, Seattle, or Kenosha have less right to protection than our political elite?
Actually, he's pointing out the double-standard that has been unfairly applied to BLM protesters.
Which double standard is that? Are you suggesting that the people in Portland, Seattle, or Kenosha have less right to protection than our political elite?
Goodness. If the hammer had come down in those places, then sure, you could've made that argument. Too bad it didn't.
The gift that keeps on giving.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ErFmfNnVkAEwZT6?format=jpg&name=medium)
Well, more and more people are fed up with being patient, and tolerant, and trying to use reason to interact with tyrannical, smug, condescending Liberals. Then you have the constant demonization of Conservatives; then you have fraud and corruption in elections; then you have government officials and the judiciary that stonewall, drag their feet, or otherwise avoid taking people's voices seriously and diligently pursuing investigations.
When people feel like they are banned, censored, silenced, vilified and ignored, efforts to address fraud in elections and voting are dismissed, and judges and other officials do nothing, what alternative is there?
So do you think that those breaking into the Capitol building should have been dealt with just as harshly as you advocated for those who rioted and vandalized in Portland, Seattle, and Kenosha? I believe that those who vandalize and engage in violence should be arrested and charged, regardless of their cause. Would you agree?
So do you think that those breaking into the Capitol building should have been dealt with just as harshly as you advocated for those who rioted and vandalized in Portland, Seattle, and Kenosha? I believe that those who vandalize and engage in violence should be arrested and charged, regardless of their cause. Would you agree?
Do we have enough wet bus tickets to slap the Washington Patriots with? If we are going to deal with them just as harshly as the Portland rioters I mean.
So do you think that those breaking into the Capitol building should have been dealt with just as harshly as you advocated for those who rioted and vandalized in Portland, Seattle, and Kenosha? I believe that those who vandalize and engage in violence should be arrested and charged, regardless of their cause. Would you agree?
Do we have enough wet bus tickets to slap the Washington Patriots with? If we are going to deal with them just as harshly as the Portland rioters I mean.
That's just dodging the question. You're calling out the other side as hypocritical -- but are you going to stand against hypocrisy?
What *should* have been done with both the Portland rioters and the Washington rioters?
So do you think that those breaking into the Capitol building should have been dealt with just as harshly as you advocated for those who rioted and vandalized in Portland, Seattle, and Kenosha? I believe that those who vandalize and engage in violence should be arrested and charged, regardless of their cause. Would you agree?
Do we have enough wet bus tickets to slap the Washington Patriots with? If we are going to deal with them just as harshly as the Portland rioters I mean.
That's just dodging the question. You're calling out the other side as hypocritical -- but are you going to stand against hypocrisy?
What *should* have been done with both the Portland rioters and the Washington rioters?
So do you think that those breaking into the Capitol building should have been dealt with just as harshly as you advocated for those who rioted and vandalized in Portland, Seattle, and Kenosha? I believe that those who vandalize and engage in violence should be arrested and charged, regardless of their cause. Would you agree?
Do we have enough wet bus tickets to slap the Washington Patriots with? If we are going to deal with them just as harshly as the Portland rioters I mean.
That's just dodging the question. You're calling out the other side as hypocritical -- but are you going to stand against hypocrisy?
What *should* have been done with both the Portland rioters and the Washington rioters?
They're not making a reasoned argument about political violence, they're just making excuses. It's the logic of a five year old "wah, wah, why are you blaming me, he did it first!" Because obviously you get a freebie to do anything bad as long as someone whose politics you don't like also did something vaguely similar. No sense of personal responsibility whatsoever.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whataboutism
So do you think that those breaking into the Capitol building should have been dealt with just as harshly as you advocated for those who rioted and vandalized in Portland, Seattle, and Kenosha? I believe that those who vandalize and engage in violence should be arrested and charged, regardless of their cause. Would you agree?
Do we have enough wet bus tickets to slap the Washington Patriots with? If we are going to deal with them just as harshly as the Portland rioters I mean.
That's just dodging the question. You're calling out the other side as hypocritical -- but are you going to stand against hypocrisy?
What *should* have been done with both the Portland rioters and the Washington rioters?
p.s., all of you who are happy about or rationalizing what happened are traitorous fascists who deserve to have your every wish and dream crushed.
So do you think that those breaking into the Capitol building should have been dealt with just as harshly as you advocated for those who rioted and vandalized in Portland, Seattle, and Kenosha? I believe that those who vandalize and engage in violence should be arrested and charged, regardless of their cause. Would you agree?
Do we have enough wet bus tickets to slap the Washington Patriots with? If we are going to deal with them just as harshly as the Portland rioters I mean.
That's just dodging the question. You're calling out the other side as hypocritical -- but are you going to stand against hypocrisy?
What *should* have been done with both the Portland rioters and the Washington rioters?
This discussion is sufficiently stupid that I hesitate to focus on just one thing, but a key factor that makes yesterday's insurrection unique was its purpose, which was to halt a critical function of congress and overturn an election in order to support an unconstitutional power grab. It was not simply a protest that got out of hand. The correct point of comparison would be something like a BLM protest that then overran the whitehouse, drove the administration into a bunker, while goaded on by some political figure, say, Nancy Pelosi, to advance the case that she should be installed as president. Of course nothing remotely resembling that has ever occurred.
p.s., all of you who are happy about or rationalizing what happened are traitorous fascists who deserve to have your every wish and dream crushed.
Instead of making shit up, maybe you chuckleheads should give a listen to someone who was actually there.
I just started listening to it myself, so I don't know what she has to say, but it's got more relevance than anybody here does.
Interesting thought experiment from Macris
https://macris.substack.com/p/trump-at-the-rubicon
There are a couple of problems with Maxris's thought experiment.
1) Biden is not going to come after Trump when he is not President; there is no way that the Swamp is going to unleash that Kraken that will devour him as soon as he is not President.
and b) Trump is not going to cross the rubicon with his army, Trump is just neither a Caesar nor a Hitler.
Instead of making shit up, maybe you chuckleheads should give a listen to someone who was actually there.
Well if you have a enemy you hate in a optic war and the ability to transport politicians safely out of the building within minutes so no damage is done it is a smart trap to lax the security. This is classical rabbit box trap with Capital Hill as a carrot. It would be a move I would do knowing damn well that many of these people have lost their lively hoods, homes, and are completely desperate.
you’d expect white people to form lunch mobs all the time
But no, people shouldn’t uphold rhetoric that isn’t universally applied-in-fact. It’s aspirational, only, until such time.
If you use unrestricted submarine warfare and urban terror bombing in violation of the treaty rules of war, so will we. The principle of matching your enemies actions instead of past words is established and accepted.
I’d like to begin by addressing the heinous attack on the United States Capitol. Like all Americans I am outraged by the violence, lawlessness and mayhem.
I immediately deployed the National Guard and federal law enforcement to secure the building and expel the intruders. America is and must always be a nation of law and order.
America is and must always be a nation of law and order. The demonstrators who infiltrated the Capitol have defiled the seat of American democracy. To those who engaged in the acts of violence and destruction, you do not represent our country. And to those who broke the law, you will pay.
We have just been through an intense election and emotions are high. But now, tempers must be cooled and calm restored. We must get on with the business of America.
My campaign vigorously pursued every legal avenue to contest the election results, my only goal was to ensure the integrity of the vote. In so doing, I was fighting to defend American democracy.
I continue to strongly believe that we must reform our election laws to verify the identity and eligibility of all voters and to ensure faith and confidence in all future elections.
Now, Congress has certified the results. A new administration will be inaugurated on January 20. My focus now turns to ensuring a smooth, orderly and seamless transition of power. This moment calls for healing and reconciliation.
2020 has been a challenging time for our people, a menacing pandemic has upended the lives of our citizens, isolated millions in their homes damaged our economy, and claimed countless lives.
Defeating this pandemic and rebuilding the greatest economy on earth will require all of us working together. It will require a renewed emphasis on the civic values of patriotism, faith, charity, community and family.
We must revitalise the sacred bonds of love and loyalty, that bind us together as one national family. To the citizens of our country, serving as your president has been the honour of my lifetime.
And to all of my wonderful supporters. I know you are disappointed, but I also want you to know that our incredible journey is only just beginning.
Thank you, God bless you, and God bless America.
tl;dr: Real life crept up ~ losing service for a while ~ got work anyway ~ be back l8r!
But no, people shouldn’t uphold rhetoric that isn’t universally applied-in-fact. It’s aspirational, only, until such time.
If you use unrestricted submarine warfare and urban terror bombing in violation of the treaty rules of war, so will we. The principle of matching your enemies actions instead of past words is established and accepted.
Aspiration is exactly what I was talking about. If an enemy like the Imperial Japanese tortures prisoners, that sucks, and we shouldn't feel bound to keep to agreements with them. But that doesn't mean that we should then celebrate torture and televise torture as cool. It's still completely wrong and we should continue to condemn it.
If someone punches me, I can and will punch back to defend myself. But that doesn't mean that I then feel free to punch whoever I want in the future - or that I now think that punching is the right way to argue.
If it counts for anything, Donald Trump has now conceded the election and condemned the attack.Quote from: Donald TrumpI’d like to begin by addressing the heinous attack on the United States Capitol. Like all Americans I am outraged by the violence, lawlessness and mayhem.
I immediately deployed the National Guard and federal law enforcement to secure the building and expel the intruders. America is and must always be a nation of law and order.
America is and must always be a nation of law and order. The demonstrators who infiltrated the Capitol have defiled the seat of American democracy. To those who engaged in the acts of violence and destruction, you do not represent our country. And to those who broke the law, you will pay.
We have just been through an intense election and emotions are high. But now, tempers must be cooled and calm restored. We must get on with the business of America.
My campaign vigorously pursued every legal avenue to contest the election results, my only goal was to ensure the integrity of the vote. In so doing, I was fighting to defend American democracy.
I continue to strongly believe that we must reform our election laws to verify the identity and eligibility of all voters and to ensure faith and confidence in all future elections.
Now, Congress has certified the results. A new administration will be inaugurated on January 20. My focus now turns to ensuring a smooth, orderly and seamless transition of power. This moment calls for healing and reconciliation.
2020 has been a challenging time for our people, a menacing pandemic has upended the lives of our citizens, isolated millions in their homes damaged our economy, and claimed countless lives.
Defeating this pandemic and rebuilding the greatest economy on earth will require all of us working together. It will require a renewed emphasis on the civic values of patriotism, faith, charity, community and family.
We must revitalise the sacred bonds of love and loyalty, that bind us together as one national family. To the citizens of our country, serving as your president has been the honour of my lifetime.
And to all of my wonderful supporters. I know you are disappointed, but I also want you to know that our incredible journey is only just beginning.
Thank you, God bless you, and God bless America.
Instead of making shit up, maybe you chuckleheads should give a listen to someone who was actually there.
I just started listening to it myself, so I don't know what she has to say, but it's got more relevance than anybody here does.
Was she one of the people who entered the building?
That's perfectly reasonable. Presidential even.Quote from: Donald TrumpI’d like to begin by addressing the heinous attack on the United States Capitol. Like all Americans I am outraged by the violence, lawlessness and mayhem.
I immediately deployed the National Guard and federal law enforcement to secure the building and expel the intruders. America is and must always be a nation of law and order.
America is and must always be a nation of law and order. The demonstrators who infiltrated the Capitol have defiled the seat of American democracy. To those who engaged in the acts of violence and destruction, you do not represent our country. And to those who broke the law, you will pay.
We have just been through an intense election and emotions are high. But now, tempers must be cooled and calm restored. We must get on with the business of America.
My campaign vigorously pursued every legal avenue to contest the election results, my only goal was to ensure the integrity of the vote. In so doing, I was fighting to defend American democracy.
I continue to strongly believe that we must reform our election laws to verify the identity and eligibility of all voters and to ensure faith and confidence in all future elections.
Now, Congress has certified the results. A new administration will be inaugurated on January 20. My focus now turns to ensuring a smooth, orderly and seamless transition of power. This moment calls for healing and reconciliation.
2020 has been a challenging time for our people, a menacing pandemic has upended the lives of our citizens, isolated millions in their homes damaged our economy, and claimed countless lives.
Defeating this pandemic and rebuilding the greatest economy on earth will require all of us working together. It will require a renewed emphasis on the civic values of patriotism, faith, charity, community and family.
We must revitalise the sacred bonds of love and loyalty, that bind us together as one national family. To the citizens of our country, serving as your president has been the honour of my lifetime.
And to all of my wonderful supporters. I know you are disappointed, but I also want you to know that our incredible journey is only just beginning.
Thank you, God bless you, and God bless America.
Yeah, I called that one, and it was an easy one, but there are a lot of people here that are just playing characters, and a lot of fake nonsense here. Even some of the people that are total raging asshats in their posts can have civil conversations over on the gaming side of the forum or in PMs. But here? Everyone is just here for Thunderdome.tl;dr: Real life crept up ~ losing service for a while ~ got work anyway ~ be back l8r!
OOooooh! It IS a show! All this time I thought you were a nutcase. Someone earlier said you were playing the role of a character and I didn't buy it, but sure enough, they were right.
you’d expect white people to form lunch mobs all the time
Well, only during the lunch hour, but then there was a pandemic and they're all working from home.
So do you think that those breaking into the Capitol building should have been dealt with just as harshly as you advocated for those who rioted and vandalized in Portland, Seattle, and Kenosha? I believe that those who vandalize and engage in violence should be arrested and charged, regardless of their cause. Would you agree?
Do we have enough wet bus tickets to slap the Washington Patriots with? If we are going to deal with them just as harshly as the Portland rioters I mean.
That's just dodging the question. You're calling out the other side as hypocritical -- but are you going to stand against hypocrisy?
What *should* have been done with both the Portland rioters and the Washington rioters?
They're not making a reasoned argument about political violence, they're just making excuses. It's the logic of a five year old "wah, wah, why are you blaming me, he did it first!" Because obviously you get a freebie to do anything bad as long as someone whose politics you don't like also did something vaguely similar. No sense of personal responsibility whatsoever.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whataboutism
I agree. If someone punches you around and knocks your teeth out that doesn't justify you punching them back. And just because they faced no consequences for what they did that doesn't mean you shouldn't either if you fight back. Violence is NEVER justified. You should just take your toothless grin and walk out. That's the grownup thing to do.
tl;dr: Real life crept up ~ losing service for a while ~ got work anyway ~ be back l8r!
OOooooh! It IS a show! All this time I thought you were a nutcase. Someone earlier said you were playing the role of a character and I didn't buy it, but sure enough, they were right.
So do you think that those breaking into the Capitol building should have been dealt with just as harshly as you advocated for those who rioted and vandalized in Portland, Seattle, and Kenosha? I believe that those who vandalize and engage in violence should be arrested and charged, regardless of their cause. Would you agree?
Do we have enough wet bus tickets to slap the Washington Patriots with? If we are going to deal with them just as harshly as the Portland rioters I mean.
That's just dodging the question. You're calling out the other side as hypocritical -- but are you going to stand against hypocrisy?
What *should* have been done with both the Portland rioters and the Washington rioters?
They're not making a reasoned argument about political violence, they're just making excuses. It's the logic of a five year old "wah, wah, why are you blaming me, he did it first!" Because obviously you get a freebie to do anything bad as long as someone whose politics you don't like also did something vaguely similar. No sense of personal responsibility whatsoever.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whataboutism
I agree. If someone punches you around and knocks your teeth out that doesn't justify you punching them back. And just because they faced no consequences for what they did that doesn't mean you shouldn't either if you fight back. Violence is NEVER justified. You should just take your toothless grin and walk out. That's the grownup thing to do.
Let's compare two situations shall we?
A. Someone punches my teeth out and then I punch them in self defense.
B. Someone watches TV and sees some BLM people being violent and then next year they fly across the country and fight some cops.
(https://memegenerator.net/img/instances/44570355/which-one-of-these-things-is-not-like-the-other.jpg)
So do you think that those breaking into the Capitol building should have been dealt with just as harshly as you advocated for those who rioted and vandalized in Portland, Seattle, and Kenosha? I believe that those who vandalize and engage in violence should be arrested and charged, regardless of their cause. Would you agree?
Do we have enough wet bus tickets to slap the Washington Patriots with? If we are going to deal with them just as harshly as the Portland rioters I mean.
That's just dodging the question. You're calling out the other side as hypocritical -- but are you going to stand against hypocrisy?
What *should* have been done with both the Portland rioters and the Washington rioters?
They're not making a reasoned argument about political violence, they're just making excuses. It's the logic of a five year old "wah, wah, why are you blaming me, he did it first!" Because obviously you get a freebie to do anything bad as long as someone whose politics you don't like also did something vaguely similar. No sense of personal responsibility whatsoever.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whataboutism
I agree. If someone punches you around and knocks your teeth out that doesn't justify you punching them back. And just because they faced no consequences for what they did that doesn't mean you shouldn't either if you fight back. Violence is NEVER justified. You should just take your toothless grin and walk out. That's the grownup thing to do.
Let's compare two situations shall we?
A. Someone punches my teeth out and then I punch them in self defense.
B. Someone watches TV and sees some BLM people being violent and then next year they fly across the country and fight some cops.
(https://memegenerator.net/img/instances/44570355/which-one-of-these-things-is-not-like-the-other.jpg)
Oh I got this one:
It’s the one where no one actually fights the cops and just wanders around taking selfies.
Two seconds on DuckDuckGo can find the other sort with Washington in flames
Yeah, I called that one, and it was an easy one, but there are a lot of people here that are just playing characters, and a lot of fake nonsense here. Even some of the people that are total raging asshats in their posts can have civil conversations over on the gaming side of the forum or in PMs. But here? Everyone is just here for Thunderdome.Not everyone.
So do you think that those breaking into the Capitol building should have been dealt with just as harshly as you advocated for those who rioted and vandalized in Portland, Seattle, and Kenosha? I believe that those who vandalize and engage in violence should be arrested and charged, regardless of their cause. Would you agree?
Do we have enough wet bus tickets to slap the Washington Patriots with? If we are going to deal with them just as harshly as the Portland rioters I mean.
That's just dodging the question. You're calling out the other side as hypocritical -- but are you going to stand against hypocrisy?
What *should* have been done with both the Portland rioters and the Washington rioters?
They're not making a reasoned argument about political violence, they're just making excuses. It's the logic of a five year old "wah, wah, why are you blaming me, he did it first!" Because obviously you get a freebie to do anything bad as long as someone whose politics you don't like also did something vaguely similar. No sense of personal responsibility whatsoever.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whataboutism
I agree. If someone punches you around and knocks your teeth out that doesn't justify you punching them back. And just because they faced no consequences for what they did that doesn't mean you shouldn't either if you fight back. Violence is NEVER justified. You should just take your toothless grin and walk out. That's the grownup thing to do.
Let's compare two situations shall we?
A. Someone punches my teeth out and then I punch them in self defense.
B. Someone watches TV and sees some BLM people being violent and then next year they fly across the country and fight some cops.
(https://memegenerator.net/img/instances/44570355/which-one-of-these-things-is-not-like-the-other.jpg)
Oh I got this one:
It’s the one where no one actually fights the cops and just wanders around taking selfies.
Two seconds on DuckDuckGo can find the other sort with Washington in flames
So do you think that those breaking into the Capitol building should have been dealt with just as harshly as you advocated for those who rioted and vandalized in Portland, Seattle, and Kenosha? I believe that those who vandalize and engage in violence should be arrested and charged, regardless of their cause. Would you agree?
Do we have enough wet bus tickets to slap the Washington Patriots with? If we are going to deal with them just as harshly as the Portland rioters I mean.
That's just dodging the question. You're calling out the other side as hypocritical -- but are you going to stand against hypocrisy?
What *should* have been done with both the Portland rioters and the Washington rioters?
They're not making a reasoned argument about political violence, they're just making excuses. It's the logic of a five year old "wah, wah, why are you blaming me, he did it first!" Because obviously you get a freebie to do anything bad as long as someone whose politics you don't like also did something vaguely similar. No sense of personal responsibility whatsoever.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whataboutism
I agree. If someone punches you around and knocks your teeth out that doesn't justify you punching them back. And just because they faced no consequences for what they did that doesn't mean you shouldn't either if you fight back. Violence is NEVER justified. You should just take your toothless grin and walk out. That's the grownup thing to do.
Let's compare two situations shall we?
A. Someone punches my teeth out and then I punch them in self defense.
B. Someone watches TV and sees some BLM people being violent and then next year they fly across the country and fight some cops.
(https://memegenerator.net/img/instances/44570355/which-one-of-these-things-is-not-like-the-other.jpg)
So do you think that those breaking into the Capitol building should have been dealt with just as harshly as you advocated for those who rioted and vandalized in Portland, Seattle, and Kenosha? I believe that those who vandalize and engage in violence should be arrested and charged, regardless of their cause. Would you agree?
Do we have enough wet bus tickets to slap the Washington Patriots with? If we are going to deal with them just as harshly as the Portland rioters I mean.
That's just dodging the question. You're calling out the other side as hypocritical -- but are you going to stand against hypocrisy?
What *should* have been done with both the Portland rioters and the Washington rioters?
They're not making a reasoned argument about political violence, they're just making excuses. It's the logic of a five year old "wah, wah, why are you blaming me, he did it first!" Because obviously you get a freebie to do anything bad as long as someone whose politics you don't like also did something vaguely similar. No sense of personal responsibility whatsoever.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whataboutism
I agree. If someone punches you around and knocks your teeth out that doesn't justify you punching them back. And just because they faced no consequences for what they did that doesn't mean you shouldn't either if you fight back. Violence is NEVER justified. You should just take your toothless grin and walk out. That's the grownup thing to do.
Let's compare two situations shall we?
A. Someone punches my teeth out and then I punch them in self defense.
B. Someone watches TV and sees some BLM people being violent and then next year they fly across the country and fight some cops.
(https://memegenerator.net/img/instances/44570355/which-one-of-these-things-is-not-like-the-other.jpg)
Oh I got this one:
It’s the one where no one actually fights the cops and just wanders around taking selfies.
Two seconds on DuckDuckGo can find the other sort with Washington in flames
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nytimes.com/2021/01/07/admin/a-capitol-police-officer-who-was-seriously-injured-wednesday-remains-on-life-support.amp.html
Or is it fake news? I thought I read something like 30 officers were injured. Or are they lying. Blue Lives Matter. WTF happen to that?
That's perfectly reasonable. Presidential even.
America is and must always be a nation of law and order. The demonstrators who infiltrated the Capitol have defiled the seat of American democracy. To those who engaged in the acts of violence and destruction, you do not represent our country. And to those who broke the law, you will pay.
We have just been through an intense election and emotions are high. But now, tempers must be cooled and calm restored. We must get on with the business of America.
I may have made mistake today yet glad I did I took two screen clippings that show the hypocrisy of many of the left and how when their side riots it's ok when the other does it it is "domestic terrorism" etc. from this thread.
I didn't know about that till earlier tonight and don't the circumstances around that. I did see a couple of videos of cops beating people up and throwing tear gas, so who knows how any of that happened. The guy killing a cop with a fire extinguisher sounds fucked up, though, so I disavow.
But I'm not really a "Blue Lives Matter" type, but more like "Fuck the Police". My main point of disagreement with BLM is the racebaiting and misinformation, not my general sentiments about the police.
Or is it fake news? I thought I read something like 30 officers were injured. Or are they lying. Blue Lives Matter. WTF happen to that?
Looks like there was some confusion about the officer dying as opposed to being on life support. Looks like he finally died.That's a remarkably useless press release. What does "injured while physically engaging with protesters" mean? It seems to be explicitly trying to avoid saying he was injured by protesters. Did he accidentally fall, have a heart attack while beating someone to death, get shot by another cop, or something like that? Any of those options could fit that mealy-mouthed inconclusive verbiage. They went out of their way to not say anything useful.
https://www.uscp.gov/media-center/press-releases/loss-uscp-colleague-brian-d-sicknick
Unless the USCP website is the left wing media.
I generally keep my political opinions to myself on social media. I use it to keep in contact with family and friends in other states, and to be connected with local gaming groups.
And mostly because, as we've seen here, political arguments online go nowhere fast and only generate indignant reactions.
The juice isn't worth the squeeze.
In the early part of this thread - way back in November I predicted yesterday's violence - I just thought it would happen on Janury 20th....
-Ed C.
Greatest commentary I have heard regarding the situation Specifically the 18:00 mark till the end.
Though it is frightening to see at least in 2021 how easily people will ignore who their favored organizations and other similar thinking people see riots and attacks on other who they disagree with on every level yet refuse to call it violence
In the early part of this thread - way back in November I predicted yesterday's violence - I just thought it would happen on Janury 20th....
-Ed C.
Anyone want to predict whether the next incel loser that shoots up a woman's gym comes out of this here forum instead of 4chan?