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Author Topic: 2020 Election Commentary  (Read 64645 times)

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Re: 2020 Election Commentary
« Reply #480 on: November 04, 2020, 01:12:48 PM »
What’s the argument for cheating?  I haven’t seen any pundits claim that.
Supposedly, the updated votes in WI and MI were 100% in Biden's favor. Not a single Trump vote. Trump went from being comfortably ahead to behind as around 120k votes hit both totals.

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Re: 2020 Election Commentary
« Reply #481 on: November 04, 2020, 01:15:44 PM »
The Michigan surge has been withdrawn and explained as a 'typo.'

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Re: 2020 Election Commentary
« Reply #482 on: November 04, 2020, 01:21:27 PM »
Both parties have had recent opportunity to pass through meaningful election reform with undivided control.

If the Democrats thought that Republicans were hugely cheating, they could have passed election reform legislation during Obama's first two years.

If the Republicans thought that Democrats were hugely cheating, they could have passed election reform legislation during Trump's first two years and/or launched investigations to prove the fraudulent votes in 2016.


Instead, it seems that the existing system is roughly balanced between Republicans and Democrats, and neither are pushing for any major reforms - at most minor tweaks. Rather than constantly bitching only about the other side, we should fix the system.
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Re: 2020 Election Commentary
« Reply #483 on: November 04, 2020, 01:44:06 PM »
The Michigan surge has been withdrawn and explained as a 'typo.'
Linkage? I believe you, but I can't find anything on it and it still shows Biden 50k ahead of Trump.

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Re: 2020 Election Commentary
« Reply #484 on: November 04, 2020, 02:07:16 PM »
The Michigan surge has been withdrawn and explained as a 'typo.'
Linkage? I believe you, but I can't find anything on it and it still shows Biden 50k ahead of Trump.

  Most of my news has been from Twitter, alas, so I may be passing on bad intel.

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Re: 2020 Election Commentary
« Reply #485 on: November 04, 2020, 02:09:14 PM »
The Michigan surge has been withdrawn and explained as a 'typo.'
It's an odd sort of "typo".  If not it's certainly a statistical improbability...


I can't explain this.
« Last Edit: November 04, 2020, 02:11:37 PM by DocJones »

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Re: 2020 Election Commentary
« Reply #486 on: November 04, 2020, 02:30:35 PM »
Both parties have had recent opportunity to pass through meaningful election reform with undivided control.

If the Democrats thought that Republicans were hugely cheating, they could have passed election reform legislation during Obama's first two years.

If the Republicans thought that Democrats were hugely cheating, they could have passed election reform legislation during Trump's first two years and/or launched investigations to prove the fraudulent votes in 2016.


Instead, it seems that the existing system is roughly balanced between Republicans and Democrats, and neither are pushing for any major reforms - at most minor tweaks. Rather than constantly bitching only about the other side, we should fix the system.

That would require that Democrats recognized the danger 10 to 12 years ago, before the wave of Republican gerrymandering after the 2010 election. It is a mystery why the all-Republican government of 2017-2018 did not fix the problems (like shortages in the national stockpile for pandemics) the Trump administration has blamed Obama for.

But elections are run by states, not the federal government; Democrats in Wisconsin, Michigan and Pennsylvania asked for changes to the vote counting to avoid the current issues by counting mailed ballots earlier, and the unrepresentative Republican legislatures refused to do so. If the mailed ballots that are counted last are mostly for Biden, it's because Trump discouraged his voters from using mailed ballots (at least in those states; Florida it was OK, for some unexplained reason).

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Re: 2020 Election Commentary
« Reply #487 on: November 04, 2020, 02:42:49 PM »
The electors don't turn in their votes until December 14th.  Plenty of time to recount, investigate, verify, double check, and possibly more.

Take time, do things right, ensure accuracy.  There has never been a need to rush for a result before dawn.

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Re: 2020 Election Commentary
« Reply #488 on: November 04, 2020, 02:47:14 PM »
I am so sicken and disgusted with the ballots.  They are fucking cheating.

Undeniably so. It is obvious to everyone. It should be equally obvious that this cheating will not stand, and will not dictate the election outcome. What is not obvious is the sequence of events that will deal with this cheating. For that, we will have to literally "wait and see".

The most pervasive voter fraud I've every seen, and they're doing it openly. First and last time I ever vote. This is why I don't believe that liberal democracy can work.

The sense that I get is that the republic is dead since the system has been so badly besmirched and turned into a total mockery. Voting no longer matters one way or the other, it's just a matter of who is strong enough to take control.

The idea of Americans living as slaves to foreign chinese filth disgusts me.
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Re: 2020 Election Commentary
« Reply #489 on: November 04, 2020, 02:54:54 PM »
Within 15 to 20 minutes Louder with Crowder will show videos of Michigan election fraud and have a couple of witnesses.

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Re: 2020 Election Commentary
« Reply #490 on: November 04, 2020, 03:12:50 PM »
What’s the argument for cheating?  I haven’t seen any pundits claim that.
Supposedly, the updated votes in WI and MI were 100% in Biden's favor. Not a single Trump vote. Trump went from being comfortably ahead to behind as around 120k votes hit both totals.
  You fix a completely rotted out structure by DESTROYING it and then rebuilding.  I do not know if I have the stomach for that, and I have serious doubts you do.  I think instead we will just see a constant erosion of empire.  Though I agree with not bitching about it.  I can move, and I think I will just lay the tracks to get that train rolling and let all the folks who want to stay here and ride the titanic to the bottom do it if they choose.

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Re: 2020 Election Commentary
« Reply #491 on: November 04, 2020, 03:40:20 PM »
Did anyone seen the videos in the Louder with Crowder stream other than me?

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Re: 2020 Election Commentary
« Reply #492 on: November 04, 2020, 03:51:51 PM »
What’s the argument for cheating?  I haven’t seen any pundits claim that.
Supposedly, the updated votes in WI and MI were 100% in Biden's favor. Not a single Trump vote. Trump went from being comfortably ahead to behind as around 120k votes hit both totals.

It's super sketchy!
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Re: 2020 Election Commentary
« Reply #493 on: November 04, 2020, 04:35:47 PM »
Also, it seems there are more votes cast in Wisconsin than registered voters.

Debunked by Polifact and Snopes. Someone was comparing 2020 vote totals to 2018 registration; the total registered before the 2020 election was higher than the votes, and Wisconsin allows registration at the polling place.

https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2020/nov/04/tweets/no-wisconsin-doesnt-have-more-ballots-cast-registe/
https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/wisconsin-more-votes-than-voters/

I couldn't figure out what the Louder with Crowder claim was; something about votes being carried in in coolers? Not sure how they concluded that the coolers contained votes... How dare election workers bring their own food during a pandemic, I guess. I expect it is up to the party observers of the counting to look for bad stuff, in accordance with Michigan law, rather than randos with video cameras lurking by the doors and windows.

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Re: 2020 Election Commentary
« Reply #494 on: November 04, 2020, 04:46:50 PM »
You guys should save some of this stuff; you'll want to have plenty of it ready if, as seems likely now, the alt-right tears really start to flow in another day or so.