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Re: 2020 Election Commentary
« Reply #270 on: September 23, 2020, 11:58:58 PM »
My idea was to have an All Blacks Lives Matter dedicated to help overthrow the evil Wallabies and Springboks who always try and oppress them and take their trophies away.
Finally, a charity worth supporting.

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« Reply #271 on: September 24, 2020, 12:18:22 AM »
Pat, I don't think you're right about ActBlue simply because the media has been happy to report how much donation is going to Burn Loot Murder and its easy to see how much traffic is being aimed at their website, but the MSM never mentions the ActBlue connection, and then suddenly and magically BLAMMO, the Biden campaign reports MEGA-MILLIONS for a candidate who was far behind in fundraising for a year.

To me, something smells like shit and there is ZERO reason to trust any organization devoted to the destruction of America. The DNC is pushing their "remake America" agenda very loud and abundantly clear. "Burn the whole system down" is being touted by their voters and MSM surrogates.

Though it's funny you brought up Charity Navigator...an organization which exists because of how many big name non-profits were total scumbags stuffing their pockets. If Trump wins, it will be interesting to hear what the IRS has to say about BLM in a year or two. Of course, if Biden wins, I'm well aware no questions will ever be allowed.

However, I don't have the time to do a deep research into the financial shenanigans I suspect so I will not concede your point, but I won't argue against it either.


I want people to dispute what I'm saying, because that's one of the best ways to refine and develop my own beliefs.
And this is why Pat isn't a leftist, or a liberal, or whatever the communists are calling themselves now.

Plus he called us deplorable monsters a "wolfpack", so what's not to like?




I think it would be nice if everyone who posted in the last three pages conceded that the point Pat has been making
I think it would be nice if everyone who supports BLM gets deported.

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Re: 2020 Election Commentary
« Reply #272 on: September 24, 2020, 02:43:46 AM »
The information that Pat has provided about BLM and ActBlue just makes me feel more concerned about Burn Loot Murder because it demonstrates that a political action group only 7 years old already know how to game the system so that rubes who dig into it just help to obfuscate the money trail.


Obviously, they are being advised by experts.
You're lying by implication. Again. Nothing I posted is supposed to make you feel less concerned. The exact opposite, in fact. I've been pointing out their complete lack of transparency, and how we know basically nothing about their structure, where the money is going, or even how much they've raised. BLM is basically a giant black hole when it comes to money and accountability.

And yes, they have expert advisors. I've been pointing that out, as well. They have been fully adopted by what is perhaps the greatest fund raising machine developed in the last 20 years, ActBlue. Thousand Currents and now Tides have more than 30 years experience each in complying with the requirements of a 501(c)3 charity, and their sponsorships allow BLM to act and receive money as a 501(c)3 charity, while still being able to operate as a private for-profit corporation, with its far more limited disclosure requirements. The admission by their founders that they have Marxist training is a hell of lot to unpack regarding both their motives and methods, but at the least it means they're full versed in the methods of hardcore activism, and what the founders believe probably diverges massively from the popular narrative of what the movement is about.

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Re: 2020 Election Commentary
« Reply #273 on: September 24, 2020, 03:11:14 AM »
Pat, I don't think you're right about ActBlue simply because the media has been happy to report how much donation is going to Burn Loot Murder and its easy to see how much traffic is being aimed at their website, but the MSM never mentions the ActBlue connection, and then suddenly and magically BLAMMO, the Biden campaign reports MEGA-MILLIONS for a candidate who was far behind in fundraising for a year.
I agree Biden's latest monthly fund raising total is really hard to explain. I can come up with rationales, like maybe the extreme leftists have finally given up on their quixotic desire for a more progressive candidate and rallied behind the only practical choice, or maybe it's a spillover from the MSM's unremitting push in favor of the riots, or maybe it's a bounce because Biden's finally showing his head after all those months where he was basically quarantined at home. But I don't find any of them satisfactory.

And I'm also very suspicious about the money going to BLM. With sycophantic front page attention for months from almost all major media outlets and their status as the cause celebre of the left, I'd expect they'd be raising tens or hundreds of millions of dollars a year. But the highest amount of spending I can find is the $6.5 million project reported in the MSN article. Most of that money should be coming through ActBlue, specifically ActBlue Charities. And since they're operating under the wing of 501(c)3 organizations, those totals should be publicly available. But I don't know enough about sponsorship to know where, when, or how that would be reported. Thousand Currents and Tides have annual revenues in the $4-6 million dollar range, which seems too low to include the donations to BLM. It could just be that there's been a big surge in donations, but they don't have to report it until the end of the year. But somebody should at least be bragging, or talking about what they plan to do with the windfall.

We're missing something. But ActBlue doesn't seem like a plausible mechanism.

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« Reply #274 on: September 24, 2020, 03:47:54 AM »

You're lying by implication. Again.


OK, why don't you go ahead and unpack that. Assume I'm slow on the uptake and wasn't pointing out that BLM was a shady organization back when DriveThruRPG first said that they were going to support them a few months ago.

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« Reply #275 on: September 24, 2020, 04:13:37 AM »
OK, why don't you go ahead and unpack that. Assume I'm slow on the uptake and wasn't pointing out that BLM was a shady organization back when DriveThruRPG first said that they were going to support them a few months ago.
I explained it in the rest of the post. You keep trying to frame things as if you oppose BLM, and everyone who you disagree with supports them. Except nobody's defended BLM[1], especially not me.

[1] Except jhkim, but that's a recent post. He hasn't really been part of this discussion.

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« Reply #276 on: September 24, 2020, 04:30:31 AM »
OK, why don't you go ahead and unpack that. Assume I'm slow on the uptake and wasn't pointing out that BLM was a shady organization back when DriveThruRPG first said that they were going to support them a few months ago.
I explained it in the rest of the post. You keep trying to frame things as if you oppose BLM, and everyone who you disagree with supports them. Except nobody's defended BLM[1], especially not me.

[1] Except jhkim, but that's a recent post. He hasn't really been part of this discussion.


OK, I guess I apologise for hurting your feelings, because I am definitely not claiming that anyone I disagree with is a BLM supporter - that shit is all in your head.




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« Reply #277 on: September 24, 2020, 11:10:57 AM »
They're rioting again because an alleged drug dealer's ex-girlfriend got shot after her possible drug dealing boyfriend shot an officer in the femoral artery.


MSM's keeping a very tight lid on the details of how it all went down (including that they changed the no-knock to a knock in the field) so that tells you the fix is in.

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« Reply #278 on: September 24, 2020, 04:03:18 PM »
Several sites (including Cook Political) have released demographic tools to see how partisanship/participation rates will impact the election. 


They also include an introduction to the tool in an article titled DEMOGRAPHIC CHANGES SINCE 2016 ALONE COULD BE ENOUGH TO DEFEAT TRUMP
When I say objectively, I mean 'subjectively'.  When I say literally, I mean 'figuratively'.  
And when I say that you are a horse's ass, I mean that the objective truth is that you are a literal horse's ass.

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« Reply #279 on: September 24, 2020, 06:50:30 PM »
Several sites (including Cook Political) have released demographic tools to see how partisanship/participation rates will impact the election. 


They also include an introduction to the tool in an article titled DEMOGRAPHIC CHANGES SINCE 2016 ALONE COULD BE ENOUGH TO DEFEAT TRUMP
Yeah.  That bastion of the alt-right neo-nazi movement, Tim Pool, pointed that one out yesterday...


It's based on a 92%-8% Black split and a 72%-28% Latino split...
but a 2-3% point flip for Trump in both categories gives him the win.
The question is "Do you think Biden is really polling that high?"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GVXV1kxn4aI&t=0s  (approx 5:45)
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« Reply #280 on: September 25, 2020, 04:28:26 PM »
Since 1860, no Republican has won the white house without winning Ohio. 


A trio of polls released this week show Biden leading in Ohio anywhere from +1 to +5.  FiveThirtyEight had previously shown this as 'leaning Republican', but it is now a 'toss-up' with a projected vote share of Biden by 1.  Real Clear Politics which uses a simple average of polls now shows Ohio as Biden +3.3.


As a result, the 'snake chart' on 538's website now shows Ohio as slightly blue, with Georgia as one of the states that Trump maintains an advantage.  Five Thirty Eight is projecting a 2% win for Trump in Georgia, 50.6% to 48.5%. 


In 2016, Trump won Georgia by 5% points, while Clinton won the popular vote by 2%, indicating that Georgia is ~7% more Republican than the National vote.  Biden is currently polling at +6.9% versus President Trump.  While Georgia remains a perennial hopeful breakthrough for Democrats, it may end up being a real nail-biter.  Even Texas, which went for Trump by 10% in 2016 is polling within the margin of error. 


Of course, the real news lately is that Trump doesn't believe that he COULD lose in free and fair elections, and consequently, if he DOES LOSE it automatically implies that the elections were not free and fair so he has not agreed to abide by their results.  In fact, it has been confirmed that he has been working with the Republican legislature in PA to replace duly elected electors with a slate of electors loyal to him (disregarding and disenfranchising voters in PA in the process). 


But for some reason, on this site, I only ever hear of how Democrats are anti-Democratic. 
When I say objectively, I mean 'subjectively'.  When I say literally, I mean 'figuratively'.  
And when I say that you are a horse's ass, I mean that the objective truth is that you are a literal horse's ass.

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« Reply #281 on: September 25, 2020, 04:41:52 PM »

But for some reason, on this site, I only ever hear of how Democrats are anti-Democratic.
The party that wants more mail in voting and no voting IDs might know a thing or two about election fraud. See Al Franken in Minnesota, JFK in Illinois for examples.
Republicans shouldn't fraud either. No one should fraud but I believe its widespread and getting worse.

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« Reply #282 on: September 25, 2020, 05:14:50 PM »
No one should fraud but I believe its widespread and getting worse.


Why do you think it is widespread and getting worse?  If someone is legally allowed to vote, they attest that they are voting, and their vote is recorded (without ID), how likely do you think fraud is, really? 


Do you agree/accept that one way to prevent that type of fraud would be to ensure that EVERYONE votes? 


I think it's strange that you would suspect there is massive voter fraud when the people who examine this .


Or maybe you get your truth from the gut
When I say objectively, I mean 'subjectively'.  When I say literally, I mean 'figuratively'.  
And when I say that you are a horse's ass, I mean that the objective truth is that you are a literal horse's ass.

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« Reply #283 on: September 25, 2020, 06:11:08 PM »
Or maybe you get your truth from the gut?


At least don't get your truth from a talk show shill.
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« Reply #284 on: September 25, 2020, 11:15:52 PM »
Why do you think it is widespread and getting worse?
If there is massive mail in voting, the fraud can be worse. the Postal Workers Union endorsed Biden but we should expect them to deliver votes perfectly without bias?


If someone is legally allowed to vote, they attest that they are voting, and their vote is recorded (without ID), how likely do you think fraud is, really? 
I gave examples which you ignored.


As to "without ID" lol then why do we need IDs for so many other things that we do? Bank accounts, driving, buying a gun, buying alcohol, getting a mortgage, etc., etc.


Do you agree/accept that one way to prevent that type of fraud would be to ensure that EVERYONE votes? 
Absolutely not. If they can't be bothered to vote, how can they be even remotely similar to an educated voter?
 They might as well press randomly in the ballot box.


I think it's strange that you would suspect there is massive voter fraud when the people who examine this .


New York Times, so unbiased. The FBI is deep state. Entrenched bureaucracies are more loyal to preserving the bureaucracy than party affiliation or the truth. Hence the nonsense the country endured for 2 years with the Russia dossier.

Or maybe you get your truth from the gut?
Not even worth responding to. Richard J. Daley famously said he got Kennedy the 1960 election with "found" ballots. There is no reason not to use ID in the voting process. Of course, these days they give IDs out to illegal immigrants so even that wouldn't matter unless we ensured only citizens voted.


Who is against voter ID and pushing mail in voting while also having the strictest lockdowns for COVID? The Democrats, of course.
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