2020 Election Commentary

[Shasarak]

The MSM is ignoring these claims the same way it ignores flat Earthers, because both are bullshit. The media isn't required to report lies and disinfo campaigns.

They kind of are at this point, that is their business model.

Remember that time MSM was reporting on Andrew Yang when he was trying to be nominated for Democratic nominee?

Yeah, me neither.

[Shasarak]

Yes, it is.

When even jkim is not supporting you, you know it is time to give up on that conspiracy theory.

[HappyDaze]

Trump is raising money off the back of this bullshit that he's not even bothering to put into his efforts to overturn the election. That in and of itself tells you that they all know this is baseless. They're literally unwilling to put their money where their mouth is.

I am curious what those that want to fight for Trump to the bitter end think about this point. I've seen several sources that say that no donation of < $5,000 provides any money to the court costs. So what do people expect he will do with that money?

[Shasarak]

Trump is raising money off the back of this bullshit that he's not even bothering to put into his efforts to overturn the election. That in and of itself tells you that they all know this is baseless. They're literally unwilling to put their money where their mouth is.

I am curious what those that want to fight for Trump to the bitter end think about this point. I've seen several sources that say that no donation of < $5,000 provides any money to the court costs. So what do people expect he will do with that money?

So if you have ten donations of $500 then that $5000 can not be used?

That does not seem to be how money usually works.

[Ratman_tf]

Trump is raising money off the back of this bullshit that he's not even bothering to put into his efforts to overturn the election. That in and of itself tells you that they all know this is baseless. They're literally unwilling to put their money where their mouth is.

I am curious what those that want to fight for Trump to the bitter end think about this point. I've seen several sources that say that no donation of < $5,000 provides any money to the court costs. So what do people expect he will do with that money?

Some penny ante legal donations would be a drop in whatever budget they're assigned to. I expect the money will dissapear into the bookkeeping and get spent on misc expenditures.

[Tubesock Army]

Trump is raising money off the back of this bullshit that he's not even bothering to put into his efforts to overturn the election. That in and of itself tells you that they all know this is baseless. They're literally unwilling to put their money where their mouth is.

I am curious what those that want to fight for Trump to the bitter end think about this point. I've seen several sources that say that no donation of < $5,000 provides any money to the court costs. So what do people expect he will do with that money?

So if you have ten donations of $500 then that $5000 can not be used?

That does not seem to be how money usually works.

It does in Trumpworld...

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-election-trump-fundraising-insigh/donations-under-8k-to-trump-election-defense-instead-go-to-president-rnc-idUSKBN27R309

It's even spelled out in the small print of the emails begging for donations. Many people have posted screenshots of these emails. They're easy to find. They're not even bothering to cover their tracks that well, because I guess they think MAGAs are too gullible to wonder where the money's going. And they're right.

[Shasarak]

Trump is raising money off the back of this bullshit that he's not even bothering to put into his efforts to overturn the election. That in and of itself tells you that they all know this is baseless. They're literally unwilling to put their money where their mouth is.

I am curious what those that want to fight for Trump to the bitter end think about this point. I've seen several sources that say that no donation of < $5,000 provides any money to the court costs. So what do people expect he will do with that money?

So if you have ten donations of $500 then that $5000 can not be used?

That does not seem to be how money usually works.

It does in Trumpworld...

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-election-trump-fundraising-insigh/donations-under-8k-to-trump-election-defense-instead-go-to-president-rnc-idUSKBN27R309

It's even spelled out in the small print of the emails begging for donations. Many people have posted screenshots of these emails. They're easy to find. They're not even bothering to cover their tracks that well, because I guess they think MAGAs are too gullible to wonder where the money's going. And they're right.

So from your link: Quote As President Donald Trump seeks to discredit last week's election with baseless claims of voter fraud...  ...according to a Reuters review of the legal language in the solicitations....

well that seems like it is a credible source.

[Tubesock Army]

Trump is raising money off the back of this bullshit that he's not even bothering to put into his efforts to overturn the election. That in and of itself tells you that they all know this is baseless. They're literally unwilling to put their money where their mouth is.

I am curious what those that want to fight for Trump to the bitter end think about this point. I've seen several sources that say that no donation of < $5,000 provides any money to the court costs. So what do people expect he will do with that money?

So if you have ten donations of $500 then that $5000 can not be used?

That does not seem to be how money usually works.

It does in Trumpworld...

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-election-trump-fundraising-insigh/donations-under-8k-to-trump-election-defense-instead-go-to-president-rnc-idUSKBN27R309

It's even spelled out in the small print of the emails begging for donations. Many people have posted screenshots of these emails. They're easy to find. They're not even bothering to cover their tracks that well, because I guess they think MAGAs are too gullible to wonder where the money's going. And they're right.

So from your link: Quote As President Donald Trump seeks to discredit last week's election with baseless claims of voter fraud...  ...according to a Reuters review of the legal language in the solicitations....

well that seems like it is a credible source.

Funny how you just glossed over this part:

Trump's solicitation website carries a banner headline that says "OFFICIAL ELECTION DEFENSE FUND" and "CONTRIBUTE NOW."

Scrolling down the page would take a donor to the fine print, which shows that donations are split between "Save America," which gets 60% of the money, and the RNC, which gets the other 40%. None of the money flows to Trump's official "recount" committee fund until Trump's Save America share reaches the legal contribution limit of $5,000, according to the disclosures.

Here are screenshots from actual Trump fundraising emails:

[Tubesock Army]

Also CA certfied about an hour ago, putting Biden over 270.

[SHARK]

Greetings!

Dan Bongino discusses the Georgia video at State Farm Arena, as well as other suspicious activity and affidavits involved with the 2020 Election.

Evidently, Georgia Governor Kemp has now ordered a signature audit of the election, primarily in response to the Georgia video.

Contrary to the cock-sucking MSM, nothing in this video is "normal". It is against the law to count and tabulate votes when other poll watchers are not present! But there's nothing to see here in the Georgia video, right? It's all a conspiracy theory! Right. Keep thinking that. Meanwhile, more and more people are waking up to the fraud, corruption, and treason taking place in America from the Marxists.

Also discusses video of the woman in Michigan, a witness, that when questioned by a Democrat politician, she answers like "I signed a affidavit that says I can go to prison if I am wrong. DID YOU?"

*laughing* She is such a sweet savage!!!!

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK

[Tubesock Army]

Greetings!

Dan Bongino discusses the Georgia video at State Farm Arena, as well as other suspicious activity and affidavits involved with the 2020 Election.

Evidently, Georgia Governor Kemp has now ordered a signature audit of the election, primarily in response to the Georgia video.

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK

Nope. He is "calling" for an audit. He has no authority to order one. Only the (Republican) Secretary of State, Brad Raffensperger, has the authority to call for such an audit. And thus far he is not inclined to do so. Kemp's move is likely political, he knows Republicans are between a rock and a hard place here. Especially in Georgia. On the one hand, endorse baseless conspiracy theories and Fruity Giuliani's clown show. On the other hand, appear not to be supportive of Trump. It's a tough position to be in, but it's their own damn fault for not having enough balls to stand up to Cadet Bone Spurs for four years.

[SHARK]

Greetings!

Salty Cracker discusses the Georgia video, and many other aspects of fraud and corruption in the 2020 Election. Hilarious commentary by Salty Cracker!

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK

[oggsmash]

      I am sure there were plenty of loyal brits in the colonies who were absolutely convinced nothing would come of all the rumblings they kept hearing all over in the 1770's.  I feel fairly certain every one in pretty much every nation that ended up having mass civil strife or even a civil war was pretty convinced it would never happen because well, it never did happen.  Even the founders had a pretty good idea there would be rebellions from time to time.  One is coming.  This whole thing is simply going to be fuel for it when it comes.

[rawma]

Yes, it is.

No, it's not, for all the reasons I spelled out.

Your reasons are almost all garbage. The only case with previous elections not having a President-elect a full week after the election was 2000, and in that one everybody, including the GSA Administrator, had not ascertained an apparently successful candidate. The President-elect in 2000 was recognized in December when the Supreme Court had ruled. The only reason you give that differentiates this election from the last 14 is that Trump won't concede, except when he tweeted that Biden won; but again, it's not the President-conceded-to, it's the President-elect. Which Joe Biden is.

Pat is apparently short for Pathetic. You seem to think that getting jeff37923 to attack you is some mark of being not right wing, which is as stupid as jeff37923 thinking that correcting a false assertion in his comic is people losing "their shit".

How can I know Pat is pushing a right-wing perspective, just from the posts I'm replying to?

I'm a Democrat but no partisan extremist as Pat claims

You're a partisan extremist because you immediately label anyone who disagrees with you as belonging to the other side of the political axis that that defines your simplistic, binary worldview. Even if you have to listen to dogwhistles nobody else can hear and ignore more than half of what they said, to make the label fit.

I gave you the benefit of the doubt in my first response, until you declared that the media are all lying. What followed just confirmed the observation. Only one species of duck does that, and it's got two right wings. So you just keep on quacking, duckie.

[rawma]

There is nothing which can convince the "Election was stolen" people that it was a legit election in any reasonable time (years). It's based on crazy conspiracy theories which can neither be proven nor disproved. It's like Kennedy assassination theories, or Templar Knights/Illuminati theories.

The point is mostly to discredit their opponents, no matter how much damage it does to the country. Republicans prioritized making Obama a one-term president over fixing the Great Recession.

Again - I saw these same arguments in 2004 from the crazy left. And they REALLY WERE the identical arguments except the name of the company which made the voting machines was Diebold rather than Dominion that time.

Well, there were several differences. The Diebold machines didn't have paper ballots, so no way to audit or to recount paper ballots. The head of Diebold promised to deliver Ohio to Bush; while he probably didn't mean anything criminal since announcing your criminal intentions in public is not something successful criminals do, it's a really bad look. The Secretary of State of Ohio served in Bush's campaign and certainly took steps to make voting difficult for Democratic constituencies.

But even so the arguments were truly only on the crazy fringe, not at the heart of the Democratic party (there was a challenge in each chamber of Congress, going nowhere; a few elected Democrats playing to their base). Mostly Democrats respond by pushing for reforms in future elections; making it easier to register, getting rid of unreliable voting systems like punched cards, and pushing for high turnout while Republicans push for voter suppression techniques and gerrymandering. But in the present election most of the Republican party's elected officials are in the crazy fringe.

I've corrected overheated arguments from the left side in elections like 2004 because I don't want to be associated with a side that makes stupid or crazy arguments.

None of that held up when courts actually examined the claims either.

What claims were brought to court in 2004? The Wikipedia page https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2004_United_States_election_voting_controversies mostly discusses cases that were brought before the election, and complaints about the election process after that were not attempting to get a court to throw out the results. (I'd expect my elected representatives to try to change things that were clearly unfair for future elections, and some of the cases in the current election might be reasonable if that was their purpose rather than throwing out results they don't like.) In 2004, an Ohio recount was requested by the Libertarian and Green party candidates, not by John Kerry; in 2016 the challenges in Wisconsin and Michigan were brought by Jill Stein, not Hillary Clinton.

So yeah, I am happy in 4 days this may be settled by the law. Because it can never settle according to wild conspiracy theorists. I am sure there are still some on the crazy left who claim the 2004 election was stolen by Bush. And you guys will be classified just like them in the minds of most people - nutters unable to deal with the cognitive dissonance that their faith-like beliefs in how the election would go (based on the people they know) doesn't match how people actually voted.

I am also happy; I've been there since the votes were sufficiently counted to know the outcome.

But I'm perplexed that Trump supporters were so sure he would win. I expect polls to be wrong, not because they haven't been right (most are), but just because who picks up random telephone calls? (I did in election season, and got polled once back before the primaries were settled.) But the Trump supporters both rejected the polls and turned to them to argue that, among other things, Trump was getting massive increase in support from minority voters; they now deploy polling to argue that Biden could not have won, and cherry pick the polling statistics that they argue support this.

A couple examples:
https://thefederalist.com/2020/11/13/5-historical-trends-that-show-its-utterly-shocking-if-trump-lost-in-2020/
https://thefederalist.com/2020/11/23/5-more-ways-joe-biden-magically-outperformed-election-norms/
In the first article, four of five reasons are polling, and many of those are cherry picked. The second article promises 5 more reasons but only delivers four; it has some appeal to polling, like Trump enthusiasm advantage in polling making it impossible for Biden to get 80 million votes, but mostly clings to trends like bellwethers which may have changed.

xkcd has provided an updated list of things that never happened in presidential elections until they did.
https://xkcd.com/2383/

Outside of polling, why would anyone expect an incumbent to get reelected in the middle of a pandemic and an economy as bad as the Great Depression? Because there were boat parades?

That's OK though, you can lash out at me with your personal attacks for me calling it like it is. I understand it's painful to have your faith shattered. You do you, in dealing with that grief. The first stages of denial and anger are all yours right now.

You can still buy Trump 2016 "Fuck your feelings" t-shirts. Not surprisingly, you can buy Biden 2020 "Fuck your feelings" t-shirts because 80 million people have to include a lot of people who are enjoying the current outcome and want to express their anger that way. Strangely, I can find Trump 2020 "Fuck your feelings" t-shirts but not Clinton 2016 "Fuck your feelings" t-shirts. (Google Shopping; not gonna post links.)