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Re: 2020 Election Commentary
« Reply #1335 on: November 26, 2020, 02:46:30 am »
Greetings!

Officer Brandon Tatum hosts a livestream and discusses the hearings in Pennsylvania, evidence of potential fraud and more corruption.

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Re: 2020 Election Commentary
« Reply #1336 on: November 26, 2020, 04:35:46 am »
Trump and allies have one out of (checking Marc E. Elias twitter) 39 cases. That one case invalidated a small number of ballots that were never included in the vote count. They talk a lot of fraud outside the courtroom but not in it, because they have no real evidence. Pennsylvania has already certified the presidential election result. So, yeah, nothing to see.

Pennsylvania hasn't certified, they've been blocked from doing so.
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« Reply #1337 on: November 26, 2020, 05:17:22 am »
Already appealed to the Pennsylvania Supreme Court and had a stay applied preventing the lower courts order blocking the certification from being enforced.

Trump and allies have one out of (checking Marc E. Elias twitter) 39 cases. That one case invalidated a small number of ballots that were never included in the vote count. They talk a lot of fraud outside the courtroom but not in it, because they have no real evidence. Pennsylvania has already certified the presidential election result. So, yeah, nothing to see.

Pennsylvania hasn't certified, they've been blocked from doing so.

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« Reply #1338 on: November 26, 2020, 09:04:45 am »
Greetings!

Yep. Some cases in the various contested states have been dismissed. More are being filed, and appealed.

Guess what happens when the Trump Campaign pushes these various cases--as well as Lin Wood, Sidney Powell, and other attorneys--to the United States Supreme Court?

Oh, yeah. All of the main contested states are overseen by SCOTUS Alito, Kavanaugh, Clarence Thomas, and other conservative justices.

And you can keep the shrieking nonsense about Lin Wood or Sidney Powell being crazy. Attorney Lin Wood just got done winning the Sandman case against CNN and the Washington Post for 250 MILLION dollars, with more to come. Oh yeah, the Sandman case, where the cock-sucking Liberals tried to fabricate, lie, and deceive the American public, again. Sidney Powell, as I understand--has been an excellent Federal Prosecutor for many years. Yeah, Federal Prosecutors are known for being incompetent and crazy, right? Oh, that's right, Sidney Powell just spearheaded the case that blew the fucking lying Liberals to hell in their corrupt case against General Flynn. Remember the scandal? Just a few months ago, all the cock-sucking Liberals, the Democrats, the corrupt agents in the FBI, they were all fucking disgraced and covered in shit. Their attempts at crucifying General Flynn was entirely corrupt BS.

So, the future developments should be interesting!

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Not to crap on your day, Shark, but strictly speaking CNN and WaPo (aka the national laughingstock) both settled with Sandmann (which I guess is a win and a technical admission of error). I also wasn't aware the amount of the settlement had been made public, though unless Wood really is an incompetent hack, it was for no less than eight figures (and probably closer to nine).

There are still four lawsuits for Sandmann in play, with the media organs desperately trying to delay, delay, delay so they can avoid discovery.


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« Reply #1339 on: November 26, 2020, 09:43:34 am »
And you can keep the shrieking nonsense about Lin Wood or Sidney Powell being crazy. Attorney Lin Wood just got done winning the Sandman case against CNN and the Washington Post for 250 MILLION dollars, with more to come. Oh yeah, the Sandman case, where the cock-sucking Liberals tried to fabricate, lie, and deceive the American public, again.
Not to crap on your day, Shark, but strictly speaking CNN and WaPo (aka the national laughingstock) both settled with Sandmann (which I guess is a win and a technical admission of error). I also wasn't aware the amount of the settlement had been made public, though unless Wood really is an incompetent hack, it was for no less than eight figures (and probably closer to nine).

There are still four lawsuits for Sandmann in play, with the media organs desperately trying to delay, delay, delay so they can avoid discovery.
$275 and $250 million are the amounts he sued CNN and The Washington Post for, not the actual amount of the settlements. Which haven't been made public, though apparently the CNN settlement would have been publicly released, if not for COVID-19. (Sandmann was a minor and couldn't claim the money without the approval of county court, which would have resulted in the amount being listed in court documents. Except the court was delayed by the pandemic until after he turned 18, so it became moot.)

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Re: 2020 Election Commentary
« Reply #1340 on: November 26, 2020, 12:06:18 pm »

Your turn to provide some actual evidence.

From your own articles (and I notice how hard they try to make them sound right-wing, while failing all the same)

 "two other Boogaloo members were arrested and charged with providing material support to Hamas. "

"While “boogaloo” supporters showed up to George Floyd protests saying they wanted to stand in solidarity with Black Lives Matter protesters against police violence, some also described going to protests to “defend businesses – including big national corporations – against looters and destruction”.

Yeah, sure, that rally sounds like your typical American Right doesn't it. :D

But my point is, if you think the majority of of the violence was caused by the right, you aren't really paying attention.

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« Reply #1341 on: November 26, 2020, 01:41:27 pm »
Trump and allies have one out of (checking Marc E. Elias twitter) 39 cases. That one case invalidated a small number of ballots that were never included in the vote count. They talk a lot of fraud outside the courtroom but not in it, because they have no real evidence. Pennsylvania has already certified the presidential election result. So, yeah, nothing to see.

Pennsylvania hasn't certified, they've been blocked from doing so.

https://www.media.pa.gov/pages/State-details.aspx?newsid=435
https://6abc.com/pennsylvania-election-mail-in-voting-certify-results-2020/8254952/

A day late and a decent legal argument short. The Pennsylvania Supreme Court will undoubtedly overrule the lower court's order, but it wouldn't affect the presidential election anyway; the horse left the barn the day before. It would be excellent if, before he can take his seat, plaintiff Mike Kelly has to explain to the House of Representatives why he represented to the court that his own election victory was invalid.

But I guess I can enjoy yet another Biden win in Pennsylvania when this gets shot down. I'm still not tired of all the winning, Donald Trump!

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« Reply #1342 on: November 26, 2020, 02:13:03 pm »

Your turn to provide some actual evidence.

From your own articles (and I notice how hard they try to make them sound right-wing, while failing all the same)

 "two other Boogaloo members were arrested and charged with providing material support to Hamas. "

"While “boogaloo” supporters showed up to George Floyd protests saying they wanted to stand in solidarity with Black Lives Matter protesters against police violence, some also described going to protests to “defend businesses – including big national corporations – against looters and destruction”.

Yeah, sure, that rally sounds like your typical American Right doesn't it. :D

But my point is, if you think the majority of of the violence was caused by the right, you aren't really paying attention.

Two Hamas sympathizers! (Coincidentally the same number of law enforcement one of them murdered in the vicinity of a BLM protest in an attempt to blame those protesters.) Their sympathy with Hamas was opposition to the US government, and given the "deep state" fantasies on the right, that tracks well with being right wing (and Biden now as President-elect just reinforces that association of the US government with the left).

You also conveniently ignore their reverence for right-wing martyrs.
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But extremism experts agree that “boogaloo” ideology overall is, in fact, rightwing.

How do they know? For one, they look at images of the “boogaloo” flag, which is sometimes emblazoned with the names of rightwing anti-government martyrs, including Americans killed in infamous standoffs with the police at Ruby Ridge in 1992 and during the occupation of the Malheur national wildlife refuge in 2016.
Even without this, it would be surprising if actual lefties who oppose the US government would join a movement that is constantly described as right wing in the media. They are from the right, incoherent as their political views and actions may be, and your arguments otherwise are pathetic. I understand why you want to disown them, given your own political leaning; your dishonest arguments are also typically right wing.

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« Reply #1343 on: November 26, 2020, 02:29:31 pm »
Greetings!

Yep. Some cases in the various contested states have been dismissed. More are being filed, and appealed.

Guess what happens when the Trump Campaign pushes these various cases--as well as Lin Wood, Sidney Powell, and other attorneys--to the United States Supreme Court?

Oh, yeah. All of the main contested states are overseen by SCOTUS Alito, Kavanaugh, Clarence Thomas, and other conservative justices.

First most are state issues and not federal issues and cannot go to the USSC. Second, the USSC will not intervene on a case which has no basis and is dismissed. It needs at least an appeal able error than an appeals court is willing to take up and they are not taking most up. Third the idea that conservatives on the Court will side with Trump purely from partisan bias is as absurd as liberals thinking the Court is partisan on everything as well. News alert: the Court isn't near as partisan as you think and there is no chance they will vote in favor of Trump on any of this shit. They won't even take the cases. Because they are extremely weak cases which do not add up to a change in the election result.

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Sidney Powell, as I understand--has been an excellent Federal Prosecutor for many years. Yeah, Federal Prosecutors are known for being incompetent and crazy, right? Oh, that's right, Sidney Powell just spearheaded the case that blew the fucking lying Liberals to hell in their corrupt case against General Flynn. Remember the scandal? Just a few months ago, all the cock-sucking Liberals, the Democrats, the corrupt agents in the FBI, they were all fucking disgraced and covered in shit. Their attempts at crucifying General Flynn was entirely corrupt BS.

She's trying to cut book deals and get a show on a political commentary network. You are a sucker for falling for it. You will feel embarrassed in a few months for being such a sucker. You will deny it because you don't hold yourself accountable for your mistakes, but you will still feel embarrassed because you were such a sucker.

This is only going in one direction, and you are in denial. When it finally hits you this was all just bullshit and isn't going anywhere, you will bluster and bluff and try and save face. But the rest of us will have seen how you behaved through this, how out of touch with reality you were, and you will never fully recover your prior reputation because of that. Because we will all know you were such a fool during all this, who fell for the stupidest shit like he was fresh off the boat. And it will taint everything you write thereafter. You will no longer have the gravitas you once had. And that's a shame. But it's your own doing. Because you were just too stubborn to actually step back and assess when you knew you should.

Greetings!

Well, Sidney Powell is the lawyer. She will argue her case, as will other attorneys involved. I'm not a lawyer, and never claimed to be one. I am able, however, to comment on the political and legal developments as I see fit. It seems quite obvious to me that a range of fraud and corruption has gone on during this election. You may choose to ignore such, or deny it, though I have no confidence or faith whatsoever in the Democrat Party. The Democrat Party has engaged in a constant litany of lies, fraud, corruption, and disgraceful propaganda since the beginning of President Donald Trump's term in office. Therefore, I am not surprised in the slightest that the Democrat Party would seek to win the 2020 Presidential Election through efforts of deception, fraud, and corruption. Indeed, I am angry and have been passionate in my commentary about the implications for our Republic, and the future genuine political freedom of our country, seeing that Marxists have gained unprecedented power and influence within the Democrat Party, various echelons within government agency bureaucracies, and the increasingly authoritarianism of the Big Tech corporations. In my mind, these political dynamics are in motion and gaining in strength and power, regardless of whatever happens with the judicial and legislative proceedings and efforts pursued by President Trump and his Campaign.

Furthermore, I have always supported President Trump. I am proudly *Conservative* and a patriot. I don't support or approve of Biden and Kamala as government leaders, let alone them serving at the highest positions of political leadership in this country. The entire ideology and political goals of the Marxist Democrats is entirely oppositional to everything that I believe in and value. Politically, economically, socially, religiously, I think the Marxist Democrats are wrong in virtually every way, on everything. Marxist Democrats are poisonous and hateful to our Republic and our great nation, and our noble heritage, passed down to us by our courageous forefathers.

I have no regrets, and make no apologies.

Semper Fidelis,

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I laud most of what you said (even some of the parts I disagree with). But almost none of that has do to with falling for bullshit election fraud claims that just are not panning out when put to the test of the law and courts.

You can think the Democratic party is evil, and also that Trump lost this election. The two views are not mutually exclusive. Indeed, given what happened in the House, the Senate, and the State Legislatures, it seems like a lot of America thought the Democrats unworthy of their vote, while they also didn't want to vote for Trump for President in particular. Trump isn't the Republican party itself - he was just one Republican. And you can think he lost the election while still proudly supporting the Republican party and opposing the Democratic party. Millions did just that.

That's what is paining me about this whole thing - it should be obvious by now that Trump did lose, and most of these claims about fraud turned out to be bullshit bluster (with the remainder far FAR from enough to change the election result). I know you know Trump is fond of bullshit bluster. You've seen him do it plenty of times. You knew not to take it serious when he did it before, you knew he was often trolling his political opponents when he did it - so why are you buying it this time as if you're one of those sucker Democrats who used to take his bullshit bluster trolling seriously? You had to know if he lost he'd have to lose going down with some way to save face by fighting like this so he can take up his fight in a different forum after the presidency (like a streaming network) - it's his personality. He even set up this contingency before the election. But you weren't supposed to actually believe him as he tried to save face!

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« Reply #1344 on: November 26, 2020, 02:32:47 pm »

Your turn to provide some actual evidence.

From your own articles (and I notice how hard they try to make them sound right-wing, while failing all the same)

 "two other Boogaloo members were arrested and charged with providing material support to Hamas. "

"While “boogaloo” supporters showed up to George Floyd protests saying they wanted to stand in solidarity with Black Lives Matter protesters against police violence, some also described going to protests to “defend businesses – including big national corporations – against looters and destruction”.

Yeah, sure, that rally sounds like your typical American Right doesn't it. :D

But my point is, if you think the majority of of the violence was caused by the right, you aren't really paying attention.

Two Hamas sympathizers! (Coincidentally the same number of law enforcement one of them murdered in the vicinity of a BLM protest in an attempt to blame those protesters.) Their sympathy with Hamas was opposition to the US government, and given the "deep state" fantasies on the right, that tracks well with being right wing (and Biden now as President-elect just reinforces that association of the US government with the left).

You also conveniently ignore their reverence for right-wing martyrs.
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But extremism experts agree that “boogaloo” ideology overall is, in fact, rightwing.

How do they know? For one, they look at images of the “boogaloo” flag, which is sometimes emblazoned with the names of rightwing anti-government martyrs, including Americans killed in infamous standoffs with the police at Ruby Ridge in 1992 and during the occupation of the Malheur national wildlife refuge in 2016.
Even without this, it would be surprising if actual lefties who oppose the US government would join a movement that is constantly described as right wing in the media. They are from the right, incoherent as their political views and actions may be, and your arguments otherwise are pathetic. I understand why you want to disown them, given your own political leaning; your dishonest arguments are also typically right wing.

So you agree that it’s two now, not one. Good. Remember you complaining complaining about reading skills? How about knowing what it is you yourself are posting for starters? :D

No, supporting Hamas and BLM isn’t right wing, no matter how desperate the media is trying to spin it. Either way, the main troublemakers aren’t Boogaloo, nor Proud Boys. It’s Antifa and BLM.

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« Reply #1345 on: November 26, 2020, 02:35:06 pm »
But you weren't supposed to actually believe him

Why they are so emotionally invested in the average american individually capitulating until the process play out.  You were supposed to believe that the bigger portion of the party turned back to the Bush-GOP! 
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« Reply #1346 on: November 26, 2020, 02:49:49 pm »
But you weren't supposed to actually believe him

Why they are so emotionally invested in the average american individually capitulating until the process play out.  You were supposed to believe that the bigger portion of the party turned back to the Bush-GOP!

The process did play out. The votes are certified (or at least enough to know for certain we have a winner, as those still in question are not enough electoral votes to change the result). The court cases are being dismissed. Republicans, ones Trump supported and trusted, are saying it's done and he did lose. The fat lady sung. We've crossed the point where it's sore loser territory. We all understood what sore loser territory looked like with Gore, and again with Clinton. Suddenly we've forgotten what this looks like? Have some fucking principals and be a man. Are you the kind of guy who, when he loses a game of pool, breaks the pool cue, throws some balls, and stomps out claiming the table was rigged?
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« Reply #1347 on: November 26, 2020, 03:36:53 pm »
Holy Fuck, Happy Thanks Giving Kraken.

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« Reply #1348 on: November 26, 2020, 03:58:30 pm »
But you weren't supposed to actually believe him

Why they are so emotionally invested in the average american individually capitulating until the process play out.  You were supposed to believe that the bigger portion of the party turned back to the Bush-GOP!

The process did play out. The votes are certified (or at least enough to know for certain we have a winner, as those still in question are not enough electoral votes to change the result). The court cases are being dismissed. Republicans, ones Trump supported and trusted, are saying it's done and he did lose. The fat lady sung. We've crossed the point where it's sore loser territory. We all understood what sore loser territory looked like with Gore, and again with Clinton. Suddenly we've forgotten what this looks like? Have some fucking principals and be a man. Are you the kind of guy who, when he loses a game of pool, breaks the pool cue, throws some balls, and stomps out claiming the table was rigged?

Neither you nor I are in the game of pool.  You're the guy not playing pool trying to get other people not playing pool to take sides against the pool player they're rooting for.  None of us control if he's inaugurated.  So chillax with implying there's a moral imperative to come to a judgement here.
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« Reply #1349 on: November 26, 2020, 04:54:28 pm »
Two Hamas sympathizers! (Coincidentally the same number of law enforcement one of them murdered in the vicinity of a BLM protest in an attempt to blame those protesters.) Their sympathy with Hamas was opposition to the US government, and given the "deep state" fantasies on the right, that tracks well with being right wing (and Biden now as President-elect just reinforces that association of the US government with the left).

You also conveniently ignore their reverence for right-wing martyrs.
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But extremism experts agree that “boogaloo” ideology overall is, in fact, rightwing.

How do they know? For one, they look at images of the “boogaloo” flag, which is sometimes emblazoned with the names of rightwing anti-government martyrs, including Americans killed in infamous standoffs with the police at Ruby Ridge in 1992 and during the occupation of the Malheur national wildlife refuge in 2016.
Even without this, it would be surprising if actual lefties who oppose the US government would join a movement that is constantly described as right wing in the media. They are from the right, incoherent as their political views and actions may be, and your arguments otherwise are pathetic. I understand why you want to disown them, given your own political leaning; your dishonest arguments are also typically right wing.

So you agree that it’s two now, not one. Good. Remember you complaining complaining about reading skills? How about knowing what it is you yourself are posting for starters? :D

You put forward only one, so I quoted you not because I thought it an accurate number but to mock your claim that it was significant. Hint: two outliers in a crazy group of many thousands is still not significant. Maybe you can find a third! Then I can mock you again.

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No, supporting Hamas and BLM isn’t right wing, no matter how desperate the media is trying to spin it. Either way, the main troublemakers aren’t Boogaloo, nor Proud Boys. It’s Antifa and BLM.

Nonsense. Trump's own acting* Secretary of Homeland Security Chad Wolf wrote in the Homeland Threat Assessment: October 2020, "However, I am particularly concerned about white supremacist violent extremists who have been exceptionally lethal in their abhorrent, targeted attacks in recent years."

https://www.dhs.gov/sites/default/files/publications/2020_10_06_homeland-threat-assessment.pdf

Antifa is not even an organized anything, despite Trump administration attempts to put it forward as such for Trump's "law and order" campaigning (in which he endorsed the Proud Boys); BLM protests have been remarkably free of troublemakers, except for what is caused by the right wingers who try to discredit them.

* A court found him not properly appointed to that position, invalidating rules he imposed; I expect that just marks him as having even more right-wing bias.