Amber with another system

[James McMurray]

The more I read here the more I think my group might say no to the Amber system. I'll try, but it's alien to what they're used to by lightyears. I'll definitely run the game over at rpol if I like the system.

Given that though, I'd like to do some adventuring in the Amber universe. Does anyone know of any other systems that someone has modified for Amber? I may try to slip the Amber cosmology into a D&D campaign (I know, sacrilege). but if someone out there has taken the time to convert it to something I'd love to see it. Failing that, anybody know of systems they think would work well?

[finarvyn]

If you search the web you might find Amber in some of these systems:
* d20
* Unisystem
* Nobilis (Links were on the old GoO boards, which I belive is gone now )
* GURPS (Steve Jackson message boards)
* Fudge (Fred Hicks = Iago)

I can search my hard drive; at one point I may have saved some of these but I didn't like any as well as Erick's basic model. I know I have seen all of these at one time or another, but sometimes they vanish suddenly.

Let me also mention that I wasn't sure I could pull Amber off at all until I actually played in a game run by Erick. The Amber system looks so simple, but getting a proper feel for its interactions was hard for me until I actually got to see the system in action. You might look for a local game group or convention running the game to give it a look before you try to run it yourself. Just a thought.

[Arref]

Search also 'Everway' and House of Cards campaign.

[James McMurray]

Thanks!

[arminius]

Nine Worlds has been suggested, but the designer of the game has said some things things which might be seen as derogatory and/or patronizing toward ADRPG fans, which prompted a backlash (including Pundit calling him names)...

[Otha]

Heaven forfend.

[RPGPundit]

Everway is the other most natural choice for running an Amber game, IMO.

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[finarvyn]

If I remember correctly, when Guardians of Order created BESM it was with running Amber in mind. The first edition in particular is quite Amber-friendly in the way one can run a campaign, and I had a nifty conversion of Amber to BESM worked out at one point. I'll have to look for it if there is interest....

[James McMurray]

I've got one of their BESM systems but haven't read it. I got it at a con in a three pack and it was the only other GoO book I could find at their stand. Does it work the same as Silver Age Sentinels?

[PhishStyx]

I've got one of their BESM systems but haven't read it. I got it at a con in a three pack and it was the only other GoO book I could find at their stand. Does it work the same as Silver Age Sentinels?

Yeah, the only differences are in the number of points characters get, # number of sides on the dice you use, and ultimately the target numbers.

Much as I love the ADRPG (i've probably read the book 15 or more times completely through and have run several games with it), if I was running Amber today, I'd without hesitation be using Classic Unisystem. It's nearly diceless and the magic system works well with the abilities of Amberites. What would need writing would be the setting specific abilities: Pattern, Trump, & Logrus. And offhand, I think I'd do all 3 in the same method as Armageddon's Primal Powers; the character would purchase a 10-point Quality called Blood of Amber (or Blood of Chaos), and individual powers, and have a skill that determines how effective the character can be using them.

[Otha]

Everway is the other most natural choice for running an Amber game, IMO.

:forge:

You do realize that Everway is one of the foundation games of Forge theory, right?  It's used as an example for the Fortune/Karma/Drama choices for conflict resolution.

I admire your taste.

[Otha]

If I remember correctly, when Guardians of Order created BESM it was with running Amber in mind.

This would REALLY surprise me.  I thought it was designed for running anime-style games.

[RPGPundit]

:forge:

You do realize that Everway is one of the foundation games of Forge theory, right?  It's used as an example for the Fortune/Karma/Drama choices for conflict resolution.

I admire your taste.

Yes, and Led Zeppelin was a major influence for modern Death Metal.

That doesn't mean that Led Zeppelin stops being awesome, and that Death Metal is suddenly something other than utter shit.

Likewise, Jack Kerouac has been the "influence" for thousands of idiots throughout the last fifty years.  They all still suck, he doesn't.

Shall I go on? Nietzsche was a major philosophical influence on the Nazi movement. Doesn't mean Nietzsche wasn't brilliant and the Nazis weren't a gang of evil fuckers out to grind a boot to the face of humanity forever.

Are you getting my drift here, bucko?

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[RPGPundit]

This would REALLY surprise me.  I thought it was designed for running anime-style games.

Well, consider yourself surprised. Mark is an Amber FANATIC, and his tri-stat system was directly thought up in the context of Amber.  He even includes the same "final advice" to players that you see in Amber, taken almost verbatim from the Amber book.  There's a reason Erick trusted him enough to offer him Amber.

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[Nicephorus]

Well, consider yourself surprised. Mark is an Amber FANATIC

Guardians of Order was a originally the name of a group in his Amber campaign.