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« Reply #15 on: August 08, 2013, 03:13:47 AM »
Great review. Very honest.

I feel that the result is that many efforts have been missplaced (for example, the lack of an editor) and some results are brilliant (the Makers, which intrigue me to no end. I'd love to see an example of the process of making something).

I'll stick to MongTrav for now and wait for the errata.
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« Reply #16 on: August 08, 2013, 07:28:57 AM »
Will there be a revised printing that incorporates the errata? Navigating a document the size of T5 already sounds like a challenge, navigating that plus an errata document which could well by the end of the process be pretty damn chunky in its own right pushes this firmly into "thanks, but no thanks" territory.
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« Reply #17 on: August 08, 2013, 01:16:12 PM »
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I'll stick to MongTrav for now and wait for the errata.


This is the most logical route to me on Traveller5. The errata document has gotten another revision and it is already 11 pages with more to come.

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Will there be a revised printing that incorporates the errata?


I do not know. That will depend on Marc Miller himself. There may very well not be a second printing of this book.
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« Reply #18 on: August 09, 2013, 07:00:27 AM »
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I do not know. That will depend on Marc Miller himself. There may very well not be a second printing of this book.

'fraid I'll probably have to wait and see then; as much as it'd be nice to get a functional version of T5 I'm past the stage where I have the patience to pencil in all the errata you guys come up with.
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« Reply #19 on: August 11, 2013, 09:01:19 PM »
Finally read the whole book...I think the review is accurate. There's a lot to like with this version, but it needs work to become a viable game.
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« Reply #20 on: October 20, 2013, 12:38:00 PM »
After looking through the book the situation is that it isn't a game.  It is an unfinished, unedited manuscript of what, someday, might turn into a complete game.  However, the kickstarter probably made enough $ for Marc so that he can retire for good...

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« Reply #21 on: October 21, 2013, 11:16:01 AM »
Marc is retired for good; he is a grandfather in his mid-60's. The KS wasn't that much money.

T5 has merely cemented the whole - "Q: what is the worst thing about Traveller? A: It's the players."

People argue too much about nothing: jump-torps, pirates and near c rocks, oh my.
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« Reply #22 on: October 21, 2013, 11:55:24 AM »
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Marc is retired for good; he is a grandfather in his mid-60's. The KS wasn't that much money.


It was a bout $300,000.  A fraction of that was used for merchandize.The remainder went into his retirement.

Better now?

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« Reply #23 on: October 21, 2013, 12:21:43 PM »
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It was a bout $300,000.  A fraction of that was used for merchandize.The remainder went into his retirement.

Better now?


I love it when a clueless fuck drops in here. If most of the Kickstarter funds went into this imaginary retirement fund, then none of the T5 books would have been printed or shipped out.
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« Reply #24 on: October 21, 2013, 01:13:11 PM »
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I love it when a clueless fuck drops in here.

You really like yourself? Your vocabulary does not belie your intelligence....
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« Reply #25 on: October 21, 2013, 01:28:23 PM »
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It was a bout $300,000.


Which isn't that much. So you have his tax records?
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« Reply #26 on: October 21, 2013, 10:39:11 PM »
Well figure the book costs anywhere from 10-20% of the cover price to print. Depends on the printer. Art adds a little more cost unless its retreads. Shipping might add 1-5%. Not sure what shipping would be for a book that big. I cant see the shipping as being 25$.

So 11-25% goes to production. KS takes their cut (5%?) So he could have pocketed 200k, possibly as low as a mere 100k depending on the factors. If retailers had been involved then it would drop to 1/2 that nearly.
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« Reply #27 on: October 22, 2013, 05:39:13 AM »
People, the T5 Kickstarter is not the Dwimmermount Kickstarter. While I cannot say that the end product is good (I gave it a rating of 3 out of 10 in this review), that is a fuck of a long way away from the slanderous and libelous accusation that Marc Miller used the Kickstarter to fund his retirement and has squirrelled away the money. Stop the character assassination, it is without grounds. All that is being done is spreading fear, uncertainty, and doubt about a man who has helped this hobby far more than it has been acknowledged.

Get a fucking grip already.
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« Reply #28 on: October 22, 2013, 09:04:55 AM »
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People, the T5 Kickstarter is not the Dwimmermount Kickstarter. While I cannot say that the end product is good (I gave it a rating of 3 out of 10 in this review), that is a fuck of a long way away from the slanderous and libelous accusation that Marc Miller used the Kickstarter to fund his retirement and has squirrelled away the money. Stop the character assassination, it is without grounds. All that is being done is spreading fear, uncertainty, and doubt about a man who has helped this hobby far more than it has been acknowledged.

Get a fucking grip already.

Im just pointing out the cost factors from when I was self publishing. Players all too often forget that the gaming biz is not cheap. But. The cost of the book is steep vs the likely printing cost plus shipping.

Also... Of course he pocketed some of the cash. Well duh! Thats the whole point of publishing a game.

But depending on factors. It may not have been as much as some wrongly assume.

I do though think he was possibly vastly overcharging by using retail price instead of something more reasonable. On that he does deserve to be called out on. But so do many many other KS games and products.

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« Reply #29 on: October 22, 2013, 01:11:29 PM »
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So 11-25% goes to production. KS takes their cut (5%?) So he could have pocketed 200k,

It was a little over $200k