Courtesans

RPGPundit · November 17, 2011, 03:41:49 PM

I really don't buy Windjammer's analysis, I'm sorry to say.

I mean, there is certainly an element of cynical parody of british society in each of his games I've reviewed, but frankly, my impression of it is that what its really about is an obsession with the sex stuff. I think Ian can't help but include this stuff, its just a part of his nature, an impulse. And everything else he does is really just window-dressing for it; sometimes significant and meaningful window-dressing, but I think that if he couldn't talk about the sex stuff, then he wouldn't have bothered.

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Ian Warner · November 17, 2011, 05:16:20 PM

As I said Doxy and Courtesans kind of focused all that so I can get those themes back in the background where they belong.

RPGPundit · November 19, 2011, 01:44:21 AM

Well, I hope so, I hope you got it "out of your system". It'd be interesting to see you make an RPG that didn't have any smarmy sexual material in it.

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Ian Warner · November 19, 2011, 04:49:24 AM

CID will have Relationship Cliches and references to Vice Squads but that's about it.

Tommy Brownell · December 31, 2011, 04:29:05 PM

Quote from: RPGPundit;490635Well, I hope so, I hope you got it "out of your system". It'd be interesting to see you make an RPG that didn't have any smarmy sexual material in it.

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It's been a day or two, but the only "smarmy sexual material" in Tough Justice seemed to have appropriate context, like a defendant trying to get pregnant to avoid execution, or seduction being used as one of many underhanded tactics in order to build your case or sabotage the other case.

Kyle Aaron · December 31, 2011, 05:57:46 PM

This sort of stuff reminds me of when I was 14 or so playing AD&D1e and the DM made a DM screen with pictures from Penthouse and Hustler on the outside so we'd never look at his notes. We couldn't get past the split beaver shot.

But, you know, we were 14.

David R · December 31, 2011, 06:10:19 PM

Quote from: Kyle Aaron;499581This sort of stuff reminds me of when I was 14 or so playing AD&D1e and the DM made a DM screen with pictures from Penthouse and Hustler on the outside so we'd never look at his notes. We couldn't get past the split beaver shot.

But, you know, we were 14.

Now that's a cheap but effective GM trick !

Regards,
David R

B.T. · January 04, 2012, 07:06:32 PM

I think Windjammer's posts are a desperate justification of Ian Warner, not the game itself. I also don't buy any attempts to legitimize playing as whores. It's one thing to have a prostitute career or profession, but to have it as the main concept of the game reeks of sexually dysfunctional manchildren. Although Ian has Asperger's--a trait I share with him--it doesn't excuse a creepy game based on fetishization of social victimization of women. (That almost sounds feminist, doesn't it?)

Now, I suspect this condemnation will cue the sexual libertines and ethical sluts into screaming BUT BUT BUT YOU PLAY D&D AND THAT'S ABOUT RACISM AND MURDER. To which I say: I'm an American Protestant.

dealwithit.jpg

Rincewind1 · January 04, 2012, 07:11:16 PM

QuoteIt's one thing to have a prostitute career or profession,

I dunno if there's an English version, but there was certainly a Polish fan - made class for prostitute in Warhammer 1e.

You even had 3 professions, so you could advance!

It went like this:

- Whore
- Prostitute
- Courtesan.

B.T. · January 04, 2012, 08:04:10 PM

I'm fine with that. It makes sense within the context of WFRP. (A prostitute class in D&D, on the other hand...)

VectorSigma · January 04, 2012, 10:13:50 PM

I'm still torn on this, and I'm afraid it'll have to stay that way til I read the book, I guess.

Age of Fable · January 05, 2012, 11:26:54 PM

Quote from: Windjammer;490291Hence Ian's examples of play in Wizkid which has Hermione jerking off Ron.

That...could be seen as an insightful satire of the culture of contemporary Britain...

Age of Fable · January 05, 2012, 11:32:19 PM

Quote from: Lawbag;490169This comes across as a setting variant of En Garde

That was my first thought too. Although in that game the men are the prostitutes, since getting a mistress who'll support you financially or otherwise is a major aim.

James Gillen · January 06, 2012, 04:52:03 AM

Quote from: B.T.;500686I think Windjammer's posts are a desperate justification of Ian Warner, not the game itself. I also don't buy any attempts to legitimize playing as whores. It's one thing to have a prostitute career or profession, but to have it as the main concept of the game reeks of sexually dysfunctional manchildren. Although Ian has Asperger's--a trait I share with him--it doesn't excuse a creepy game based on fetishization of social victimization of women. (That almost sounds feminist, doesn't it?)

Now, I suspect this condemnation will cue the sexual libertines and ethical sluts into screaming BUT BUT BUT YOU PLAY D&D AND THAT'S ABOUT RACISM AND MURDER. To which I say: I'm an American Protestant.

dealwithit.jpg

Fortunately I'm atheist, so I can like both sex AND violence.

JG

jeff37923 · January 06, 2012, 10:00:23 PM

Quote from: B.T.;500706I'm fine with that. It makes sense within the context of WFRP. (A prostitute class in D&D, on the other hand...)

There was a Courtesan profession available in MegaTraveller. It was an interesting addition for those Traveller games of Imperial nobility intrigue.