Quote from: Chris24601 on April 18, 2024, 10:49:03 AM

Quote from: GeekyBugle on April 17, 2024, 11:43:55 PMWotC betting it all on becoming a video game while the AAA video game industry is crashing is going to be something to behold.

The true irony is that the D&D game from Larian helped trigger that collapse.

WotC - Failure is the Only Option

"Victory has defeated you."
-Bane

Quote from: Steven Mitchell on April 18, 2024, 03:14:49 PMThe devil is always in the details:

- Add OOC chatter to a game session, good or bad?  Some people hate it like the plague.  For others, the game itself is no fun if they can't revel such chatter.  Most people are somewhere in between.

- Have music playing in the background?  Likewise, everything from absolute ban from the GM or even the whole group to playing loud, constantly.

- Having the GM portray some interesting NPCs for you to interact with in character?  Is there anyone that dislikes that?

- The player to your left hitting your thumb with a hammer every time you roll poorly?  The only people that like that are sick and/or lying.

Some of these activities are more central to playing an RPG than others.

First, Steven Mitchell, I had never noticed your location until today- Roll Tide Roll.

And I agree that there are certain elements that are more central than others. I also believe it is super easy to tell them apart at the table. Nobody is going to confuse how Basic D&D plays and feels with Cthulhu Dark or Apocalypse World.

Quote from: BoxCrayonTales on April 18, 2024, 02:51:36 PM

Quote from: 1stLevelWizard on April 18, 2024, 01:30:22 PMI don't see the point, and I think it's funny how the usual characters are playing it off as no big deal, while also celebrating it like it's some victory. If it's not a big deal, why bother to change the lore that way anyway?

If it's not a big deal, then why does it matter if it gets changed?

Custodes are engineered supersoldiers. I don't think it matters what they had between their legs before they were modified.

Quote from: 1stLevelWizard on April 18, 2024, 01:30:22 PMIt's also the way they made the change: a crappy reply Tweet that just asserts they've always been there even though theres no lore suggesting that.

GW has done this on numerous occasions. It's called retconning.

Quote from: 1stLevelWizard on April 18, 2024, 01:30:22 PMIt's the same thing as when they gave the Emperor a female assistant to aid in the creation of Space Marines. It was an unnecessary change that undermined the lore rather than improve it.

They gave the Emperor two female assistants: Amar Astarte and Erda. They were introduced in two separate works by two separate authors who didn't seem to know about the other's work, so they're both credited with creating the primarchs and scattering them. I find it odd that no editor caught this, but GW probably isn't paying attention.

I'm not going to cast aspersions that fans are misogynistic chuds because that's obviously not true, but I definitely think the nerds are being OCD and overly sensitive to these retcons. I don't blame them for being overly sensitive given the past mistreatment, but you're still being overly sensitive and giving your opponents ammunition to use against you.

While I think GW's PR here is terrible, I don't see any compelling reason to maintain that Custodes and Astartes all had pickles before they were recruited.

The reason why Sisters of Battle are female has to do with social and legal reasons in the background, which were deliberately written so as to have an all-female army. The Ecclesiarchy is legally barred from having men at arms, but the loophole is that they can still employ women at arms.

The reason why Custodes and Astartes were historically male is because we just assumed they were because their miniatures lacked boobs due to disinterest in making models with boobs, then later on various writers contrived lore reasons for them to be male. Their appearance could just as easily have been explained as the procedures masculinizing female recruits, or just not called out (e.g. the Little Sisters of Purification used regular models despite being female).

There's no female guard models, but I don't see people arguing that there's no female guard. There's copious examples in the lore, just not on the table. Why are Custodes and Astartes being treated differently?

GW is guilty of tons of awful stuff, like suing innocent housewives (google "Spots the Space Marine"), but instead fans fixate on irrelevant trivia like this.

If you're genuinely upset about this stuff, then make your own games. I already hate GW so I'd patronize you for that reason alone. We need more alternatives to their monopoly.

So you're telling us that NERDS wouldn't have bought big tiddies space babes?

No, it's not an "assumption" needed, it's right there in black and white in the lore, hence why you yourself call it a retcon.

But I guess the SoB & SoS were never produced, because there's no interest in buying ergo no interest in producing female models.

But you got one thing almost right:

People SHOULD stop giving ANY money to GW, buy Grimdark Future from OnePageRules and play it using the models you already own or buy the STLs from them and 3d print the models you want.

Because by playing WH40K you are giving them time, attention, publicity and market position.

So quit playing it, play other things.

The devil is always in the details:

- Add OOC chatter to a game session, good or bad?  Some people hate it like the plague.  For others, the game itself is no fun if they can't revel such chatter.  Most people are somewhere in between.

- Have music playing in the background?  Likewise, everything from absolute ban from the GM or even the whole group to playing loud, constantly.

- Having the GM portray some interesting NPCs for you to interact with in character?  Is there anyone that dislikes that?

- The player to your left hitting your thumb with a hammer every time you roll poorly?  The only people that like that are sick and/or lying.

Some of these activities are more central to playing an RPG than others.

Quote from: BoxCrayonTales on April 18, 2024, 01:27:50 PM

Quote from: Ratman_tf on April 18, 2024, 11:26:21 AMOne Page Rules will give a gamer a "living game" that's got rules updates and they can use lore from older editions of 40k, since many of the factions in Grimdark Future are famous IP's with just enough differences to make them identifiable but not infringing on copyright.

IE One Page Rules is a way to play with your old figures and old rulebooks with a current system that means you can go to the local game store and everyone is on the... same page... ruleswise.

And most importantly, not give GW any more money.

What exactly are you supposed to do if you're interested in non-miniatures media like rpgs, video games, books, etc?

Unless they can reach into your home and retcon what you bought and own I don't see a problem:

Keep playing what you enjoy, re-read what you love and ONLY buy new stuff from people that don't hate you.

Now, if you MUST have new products for a converged IP then homebrew/fanfic it out of thin air.

Quote from: JeremyR on April 18, 2024, 01:58:42 AMTeal and Fuchsia are trans friendly colors? I thought they were synthwave/80s colors

These flags and their meanings are well documented at any educational institution!
https://www.amherst.edu/system/files/Flags%2520and%2520Symbols.pdf

Quote from: Svenhelgrim on April 05, 2024, 05:22:12 PMIncidentally, YouTuber Razorfist offers some suggestions on how to enjoy Battletech without supporting Catamite games.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=z86sIScsZqQ&t=4s&pp=ygUjUmF6b3JmaWN0IGpvdyB0byBzdXBwb3J0IGJhdHRsZXRlY2g%3D

His idea of playing older editions checks out, but the general issue there is that this could not be a general-purpose solution.  It doesn't scale because older products are only available used. I think you'd need to just pirate old stuff and play on a table top simulator, and I just doubt that's going to be a huge community or whatever.

Games Workshop fans are in a similar situation, with the plot being retconned to allow for things inserted for political reasons.  I doubt that a fanbase will actually be stern enough to accomplish anything there.

Quote from: Man at Arms on April 18, 2024, 02:25:00 PMYes, but she is still there for another 8 Days.  How much damage can an evil wench do in 8 Days, when she knows she's leaving anyway?

Not much damage.  She is most likely locked out of email and had her personal affects mailed to her home.  The higher the employee, the more important it is to remove all of their access to the network when they are being fired.

Quote from: 1stLevelWizard on April 18, 2024, 01:30:22 PMI don't see the point, and I think it's funny how the usual characters are playing it off as no big deal, while also celebrating it like it's some victory. If it's not a big deal, why bother to change the lore that way anyway?

If it's not a big deal, then why does it matter if it gets changed?

Custodes are engineered supersoldiers. I don't think it matters what they had between their legs before they were modified.

Quote from: 1stLevelWizard on April 18, 2024, 01:30:22 PMIt's also the way they made the change: a crappy reply Tweet that just asserts they've always been there even though theres no lore suggesting that.

GW has done this on numerous occasions. It's called retconning.

Quote from: 1stLevelWizard on April 18, 2024, 01:30:22 PMIt's the same thing as when they gave the Emperor a female assistant to aid in the creation of Space Marines. It was an unnecessary change that undermined the lore rather than improve it.

They gave the Emperor two female assistants: Amar Astarte and Erda. They were introduced in two separate works by two separate authors who didn't seem to know about the other's work, so they're both credited with creating the primarchs and scattering them. I find it odd that no editor caught this, but GW probably isn't paying attention.

I'm not going to cast aspersions that fans are misogynistic chuds because that's obviously not true, but I definitely think the nerds are being OCD and overly sensitive to these retcons. I don't blame them for being overly sensitive given the past mistreatment, but you're still being overly sensitive and giving your opponents ammunition to use against you.

While I think GW's PR here is terrible, I don't see any compelling reason to maintain that Custodes and Astartes all had pickles before they were recruited.

The reason why Sisters of Battle are female has to do with social and legal reasons in the background, which were deliberately written so as to have an all-female army. The Ecclesiarchy is legally barred from having men at arms, but the loophole is that they can still employ women at arms.

The reason why Custodes and Astartes were historically male is because we just assumed they were because their miniatures lacked boobs due to disinterest in making models with boobs, then later on various writers contrived lore reasons for them to be male. Their appearance could just as easily have been explained as the procedures masculinizing female recruits, or just not called out (e.g. the Little Sisters of Purification used regular models despite being female).

There's no female guard models, but I don't see people arguing that there's no female guard. There's copious examples in the lore, just not on the table. Why are Custodes and Astartes being treated differently?

GW is guilty of tons of awful stuff, like suing innocent housewives (google "Spots the Space Marine"), but instead fans fixate on irrelevant trivia like this.

If you're genuinely upset about this stuff, then make your own games. I already hate GW so I'd patronize you for that reason alone. We need more alternatives to their monopoly.

Quote from: 1stLevelWizard on April 18, 2024, 01:26:39 PMThanks Shark! I think I'll pick up Case Blue, and start the process of collecting Italians. I've always thought about getting a small force, just about 1,000pts, but I'm open to getting more. Probably end up being a summer project.

Greetings!

You are very welcome, my friend! Indeed, the Italians sound pretty interesting, especially with their new rules and units detailed within Case Blue. As I understand, Case Blue also includes a new nation--Slovakia, and provides an Army List and units for them. There is also rules for the Croation Legion. The Croation Legion were troops recruited from Croatia in the Balkan region, and were regarded by the Reich as excellent troops.

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK

Yes, but she is still there for another 8 Days.  How much damage can an evil wench do in 8 Days, when she knows she's leaving anyway?