Quote from: Omega on May 22, 2024, 05:52:47 AMI expect we will see more of these things in the coming months.
Quote from: RNGm on May 15, 2024, 08:25:03 PMThe important thing is that Mordekainen can finally be zim/zir true authentic self as a disabled rainbow birthing elf of color and there is nothing you bigots can do about it!
Quote from: Insane Nerd Ramblings on May 23, 2024, 06:47:04 AMQuote from: ForgottenF on May 23, 2024, 06:34:39 AMSelling it as a grittier, lower-fantasy, more political setting, whether or not that's what it originally was, would give Greyhawk that all-important "unique selling point". Without something like that, Greyhawk doesn't really serve a purpose for WOTC other than nostalgia-bait, which is probably why they never pay it more than lip-service in their books.
I mean, WotC's 4E 'Points of Light' setting was Greyhawk with the serial numbers filed off. It's why I get irked when people say Greyhawk and Forgotten Realms are basically the same setting. They're as different as night and day in many regards.
Quote from: ForgottenF on May 23, 2024, 06:34:39 AMSelling it as a grittier, lower-fantasy, more political setting, whether or not that's what it originally was, would give Greyhawk that all-important "unique selling point". Without something like that, Greyhawk doesn't really serve a purpose for WOTC other than nostalgia-bait, which is probably why they never pay it more than lip-service in their books.
Quote from: Insane Nerd Ramblings on May 23, 2024, 01:23:39 AMQuote from: jhkim on May 22, 2024, 09:32:03 PMThanks, KindaMeh. I appreciate the sentiment here
What part of 'take that shit somewhere else' did you not grasp? Some of us would like to discuss Greyhawk without you fucking the convo up for the rest of us.Quote from: SHARK on May 22, 2024, 09:08:36 PMYeah, Omega. My hopes are not high for Greyhawk concerning WOTC. WOTC will corrupt it entirely if they put any real effort into including the setting.
They already started fucking it up in 3E. What's sort of ironic is they didn't EXACTLY do that when they started with the last 2E Greyhawk products back in the late 90s (The Adventure Begins, Return of the 8, Slavers, etc). The setting was always supposed to be post-apocalyptic, where humanity in the Flanaess is holding on by its fingertips, to just another garbage High Fantasy setting that morons think is indistinguishable from Faerun.
Quote from: HappyDaze on May 23, 2024, 02:19:26 AMSure, it has been humanocentric, but a new version doesn't necessarily need to be beholden to that. If they move the timeline forward, a lot can change. It's even possible that humans are no longer the majority race.
Quote from: Omega on May 23, 2024, 01:55:16 AMIf wotc does anything bigger with Greyhawk I suspect they will try to move it away from its mostly humanocentric mid to low fantasy theme and try to turn it into Forgotten Realms 2.0.Which version of Greyhawk was "mid to low fantasy" in your eyes? Because I remember a big ass demon invasion, a demonic demigod ruling a (shithole) nation, the Great Kingdom having all sorts of undead 'animus' nobles, a gunslinger quasi-diety, Castle Greyhawk (totally nuts!), a huge hidden cult of xenophobic racists that like the color red and plot to take over everything, a massive giant problem in the west, and lost more high fantasy stuff.