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Media and Inspiration / Re: The Movie Thread Reloaded
« Last post by yosemitemike on Today at 03:04:30 AM »The crossdressing psycho that Gene Simmons played in Never Too Young to Die was entertainingly bizarre.
I agree that neither pollution should be discounted -- but they should be evaluated fairly. I'm reading through your recent links, but they don't seem to be doing side-by-side comparison. An EV battery is good for 100k to 200k miles -- which is the equivalent of 4000 to 8000 gallons of gasoline, or about 200 to 400 barrels of crude oil. So the question is:
1) What is the damage from drilling, refining, and then burning the gasoline from 300 barrels of crude oil?
2) What is the damage from mining the materials and manufacturing one EV battery?
I don't have exact answers for these. Battery manufacture produces toxic material, but it's a question of how much is produced and how much of that will get into people's bodies -- compared to breathing in output from car exhaust like carbon monoxide, ground-level ozone, and particulates.
I do know that around 5 million people a year have early deaths from air pollution. How many would you guess have early deaths every year from battery waste? I'm skeptical that it is anywhere close to 5 million. You can say "battery waste is toxic" but that's like saying "nuclear waste is toxic". It's technically true, but nuclear waste is relatively tiny and extremely well-handled -- particularly when compared to dumping toxins directly into the air that people breath.
So the water pollution from mining the lithium doesn't count? https://media.istockphoto.com/id/1399997488/photo/greenbushes-lithium-mine.webp?b=1&s=170667a&w=0&k=20&c=_pJKX6mjys2DVjDsFz7smuxqiYFHDFXykI4LWfJLBWc=
ALL the air pollution from the mining, shipping the Lithium to China doesn't count?
All the air pollution from the manufacturing of the batteries in China doesn't count?
All the air pollution from shipping those batteries to the US?
What about the air pollution from manufacturing and shipping the EVs to the US?
What about the air pollution from producing the electricity to charge the batteries?
You KNOW I live in México City right?
Can’t pick the lock? Maybe it’s rusted shut.
That sounds suspiciously like a variant of quantum ogres.
Right, and fracking took place because world conventional production peaked in 2015, which the IEA confirmed in 2010 and King predicted correctly in 1976.
If any, fracking supports what the Club of Rome said. Otherwise, there'd be no need to resort to uncoventional production in the first place.
The same with the Ehrlich wager: they were focusing on price, not diminishing returns, which is what the mining industry has been experiencing for decades:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TFyTSiCXWEE
A century ago, you could get lots of high-grade copper with no heavy equipment. Now, you need the latter to get lower amounts of copper and of lower grade. It's the same with oil: you start with an energy return of a hundred barrels for each barrel used, then after several decades it goes down to three, and then you resort to fracking.
Streaming tonight talking about HEROIC Mechanics.
I'll be a guest if anyone is interested.
https://youtube.com/live/whzme7xsX8E
Although I owned DC heroes and MSH back in the day, they never really clicked. largely I suppose because I never played with a group that knew how to make them sing.
But tenbones praise was enough to get me to watch the video, and I gotta say...
Mad Props to Tenbones for actually resembling his avatar. That's next-level forum street cred right there.
Also, I am intrigued by the game. My free advice would be; if he does a backerkit to pour all his money into layout and art. Now granted, how it actually plays at the table is what really matters... But a superhero RPG should have kickin' superhero art to get peoples attention to sell.
Bill Gates: The Net Zero transition will require the energy grid "to be about three times bigger than it is today".
"Consumers can help us by stretching to buy an electric car, or an electric heat pump, or food that's made a low emissions way."
"The rich countries owe it to the world not only to reduce their emissions, but to drive down the cost of these green products."
https://archive.is/l8M85
Exactly! So why is the Club of Rome seen as wrong? In order to meet the basic needs of the world population, we'll need at least an additional earth in terms of energy and material resources. To meet wants including EVs for personal use, three more.
When the HKs and T-800s turn up who is staying behind to help him/her/xe/zi with his/her/xem/zim wheelchair.