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Messages - AgentBJ09

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And people wonder why so many don't want these types anywhere near them, their hobbies, or in control of anything.

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Have you considered writing an original IP fulfilling your creative vision rather than copying WoD? It doesn't hold a monopoly on urban fantasy. And if you do an original IP, then you can sell RPG books for profit too.

No. I suck at original creativity - and I love making my own puzzle from estabilished setting and franchises remodelling them as it suits me.
My creative vision is WOD trimmed and reshaped according to my vision :3

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I second that. Might as well make your own thing if you liked World of Darkness so much but hate the wokeness and other nonsense it became infested with over the years.

Nah. It wouldn't be honest. I don't want new urban fantasy setting - I want WoD with my fixes.
If I tried to override it I'd get some pathetic parody of intelectual property like Daniel D. Fox - Zweihander (I mean rules are different enough) but pantheon of gods and Chaos powers is just pathethic.

Zweihander is only like that because the creator used the retro-clone idea on Warhammer Fantasy and added SJW trappings like gender into it. Not a smart move when 4th Edition Warhammer Fantasy is still around and fair to play.

You don't strike me as someone who would do that, but if you don't think creativity is your thing, it wasn't really mine either until, as BoxCrayonTales pointed out, I tried my hand at fanfiction. Moved away from it pretty quickly because the IP is heavily copyrighted but I found a new niche afterwards that I liked and stuck with it.

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And by players I also mean DMs. 

I like alot of things about 5e.  But I started with D&D B/X in the early 1980's, so something like The Keep on the Borderlands is quintessential D&D for me.  Venturing into monster-filled dungeons for fortune and glory, with resource management and player ingenuity playing a big part of whether your PC survives.  Not saying you can't do this in 5e, but its built for more heroic play, and tends to hand-wave some of the struggles a PC would encounter in the older versions.  Which might be a good or a bad thing, depending upon what you want from the game.

So B/X is probably my favorite version.  What is your favorite version of D&D, and why?

At the moment, 3.5 is my favorite version. It's the version I started with and have the most experience with. (I went with Pathfinder when 4th Edition came out because I didn't trust what I was seeing, but boy howdy was I ever ignorant of the wokeness Paizo was harboring.)

3.5 aside, I'm trying to branch out to B/X, 1st Edition, and 2nd Edition. 2nd Edition I know rather well thanks to Baldur's Gate 1 and 2, but the others I'm coming into very late through retro clones.

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Yes. I agree.
In fact I was planning on making own itteration of WOD (mix of oWOD and nWOD) based on more feudal principles, precisely because as right-winger I'm tired by all conspiracy freaks in our community, claiming there are some BIG THEM RUNNING THE WORLD, which aside of my personal dibelief I also consider kinda boring setting-wise.
So for me scattering and multipling supernatural communities both "good" and "evil" is fine - I'm generally hard into later retcon of Technocracy as much less powerful organisation as it seems - still very powerful but nowhere close to running the world (and definitely some good clash between their sects), Vampires divided into multiple political groups - both taken from Masquerade and Requiem, and so multiple cross-species groups.

World of Chaos that many would like to control, but it's just to big to be grasped by any single player.

That I suppose is neither really left- or right-wing counter-culture, but then what can I say - I'm feudalist ;)

Have you considered writing an original IP fulfilling your creative vision rather than copying WoD? It doesn't hold a monopoly on urban fantasy. And if you do an original IP, then you can sell RPG books for profit too.

I second that. Might as well make your own thing if you liked World of Darkness so much but hate the wokeness and other nonsense it became infested with over the years.

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2020 WAS RECORD YEAR FOR 'MAGIC,' 'D&D'

https://icv2.com/articles/news/view/47547/2020-was-record-year-magic-d-d

I know ICV2 ran an article about them selling WotC before, but it seems like a great time for Hasbro to find an excuse to divest themselves of these troublesome Millennials, and avoid worrying about staying on top of a volatile market. Not to mention the impending end to 'geek culture' being cool, at which time they run the risk of losing half their fanbase. It may not be true in the very short term, but it just feels like there's nowhere to go but down for most of the TTRPG industry, especially for those who don't focus on veteran/alpha gamer types who are less likely to quit on a whim.

Unfortunately, the converged parts of the company are not causing enough hemorrhaging of players and support to justify Hasbro cutting them loose. Yet.

Unless they make a massive PR mistake like White Wolf made in 5th Edition Vampire (and I'm not at all surprised by the implication that some of that company's writing staff were pedos), WOTC and D&D will stay under the Hasbro umbrella for a while yet.

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Some of the best play-testing is taking the module/game to a con and running it there. Tickets for games sell out ASAP, and your table will always be full. You have no idea who will show up, but usually, several people know each other. You can gather feedback both by watching how separate groups deal with the challenges presented, and at the end of the session, solicit direct feedback.


I would love to do that.


(The closest event to me is OwlCon, though with Corona-Chan still being a thing and this occurring on a college campus, next year's event might get the axe.)

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This could be considered an extension of a thread I created several months back -- https://www.therpgsite.com/design-development-and-gameplay/new-rpgs-order-of-design/msg1124556 -- since the last posts mentioned play-testing and I would prefer not to necro that thread, useful as it was. (I have made a lot of progress since the last post, however unless asked, I'll leave my current project out of this thread.)


In general though, when is a good first time to seek out playtesters?


My personal estimation, based on whom I've spoken to before, is when all of these are true:


#1: When Character Creation can be completed.
#2: When at least one combat scenario is ready.
#3: When at least one series of challenges is ready.


Does anyone have alternative suggestions?


Also, to borrow a quote from Stan Lee, "Every comic is someone's first". In relation to that, is it a good idea to play-test games like these with people who have never played an RPG before?

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Design, Development, and Gameplay / New RPGs - Order of Design
« on: March 18, 2020, 10:48:05 PM »
Quote from: Chris24601;1124447
For me the order of design is this...

1) Concept (you've said you've got this worked out).

2) Design a core task resolution system: when a character tries to do something, how do you determine success or failure. dice total vs. difficulty? Opposed rolls? Percentage checks? Success counting dice pool? card draws? trait bidding system?

It doesn't have to be the same for everything, but having the right system can either work with (ex. using playing cards for a Wild West game can be quite thematic) or against (ex. rolling on a table for a LARP-based game) your concept.

Also important at this stage is figuring out odds of success using your system for an average unskilled person, a skilled expert and the best-of-the best as these will help you gauge the values you need for attributes, skills, difficulties, etc.

3) What does a character in your setting need to make checks for?

Make a list of what you think most characters will need to make checks for and, if there's a bunch, rank them in terms of how common those checks are (numeric, stars, whatever works).

Then take your list and start grouping tasks together into similar categories with an eye towards creating three to eight "piles." These are going to the attributes your system needs with individual tasks becoming either skills (for a highly detailed system), parts of a skill (for a less detailed system) or a general task (for a system that doesn't want the detail of skills at all or where you think skill should never apply).

Pay attention to particularly small piles and/or those with many low-ranked tasks and for piles that contain lots of high-ranked tasks. Those could end up as universal "dump stats" or "super stats" respectively. Try moving some tasks around until the piles are fairly even if you want your attributes to be about equally useful.

4) Make your attribute and skill lists and figure out any other traits you're going to need (ex. hit points and damage to measure the success of combat task checks) and how to determine those (ex. From one or more attributes or skills, randomly rolled, set value).

5) Figure out how a character is built. If you've got superstats or dump stats you should look at either random generation (ex. old school D&D) or different costs using build points (ex. HERO System). If reasonably balanced with each other, then a more general point-buy or attribute array system might be where you look (or go completely random since you'll still theoretically get something playable on average).

A Lifepath system can be used in relation to any of those.

Your concept will help a lot here. If campaigns are intended to be short or characters fairly disposable, then random generation can speed up creation by removing a lot of choices from the player. Games where players will expect to be using the same character for a long haul then giving them more control via point buys or arrays will make them more invested in the resulting character.

6) Now start filling in all the supporting details: opponents, allies, terrain, equipment, special abilities, etc. For these sub-systems you just need to run through steps 1-5 within a more focused area (spellcasting for example) to figure out what's needed and then figure out how that attaches to the main system.

At least this is the approach I've followed.

Sounds like a good route to follow; I would be at Step 6 with what I have, so I need to go forward with the newer stuff and refine the existing as needed.

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Design, Development, and Gameplay / New RPGs - Order of Design
« on: March 12, 2020, 02:12:51 AM »
Quote from: AgentBJ09;1123650
I'm curious to know, when designing new RPGs, once the basic idea is decided upon, what is a useful design priority to follow.

Here's what I have been trying as an example:
1. Attributes and Skills, or equivilent
2. Derived Attributes and How To Calculate Them
3. Some, not all, Special Systems
4. How to build a character
5. ...

At the moment, I'm stuck trying to figure out if I'm missing something by step 4, or if I need to fully plan step 5 and onwards. (Hopefully what gets posted here can help other designers as well as me.)

Figured I'd give a bit more detailed post to explain my thought process, and what I'm getting at with this thread.

Since all characters in RPGs have a skeleton to them by way of Stats, I would start my design process (Step #1) with the core aspects of a character. D&D 3.5, the edition I started with, began with deciding on a class, rolling 3/4D6 to decide Attributes, and then deciding on Skills based on which Class was chosen. Since my game has no classes, only creature lines similar to Old/New World of Darkness, I'd start by coming up with the Attributes and Skills.

In this case, 7 Attributes and 24 to 28 Skills.

For Step #2, I would decide on what Derived Attributes all characters would have and how to calculate them. In my case, the Derived Attributes are things like Attribute Dice (When rolling 3D6, certain sets of three numbers, like 11, 12, and 13, mean you get a set number of dice to roll when that Stat is tested), Base Skill Points (If your character during creation is aged 18/19, you get only 12 Skill Points, then certain age thresholds from there give more), and Health (Similar to Skill Points, age determines the starting pool). There are other aspects to this that came into play later.

For Step #3, because I now have the basics for a human template, I can begin adding Special Systems directly related to the creatures a player can choose from. These get some basic mechanics as well. Example: Control Shape for Werewolves (New and Young Werewolves begin with a pool of 5 dice, which decreases with age and moon cycles. All dice must roll a certain threshold (5) or higher to cause a shift. Getting slapped or feeling like your life is in peril drops this to 4. If something is making you upset or angry, raise this target to 6.)

Once the basic Special Systems are decided on, I went to Step #4. This is when I started making slight alterations to what was done in Step #2, things like adding extra Skill Points based on the number of Attribute Dice for certain Attributes, and making some refinements to creature specific abilities/stats (more Health and slight instant regeneration for Werewolves after and while changing shape).

This is where I'm at, and why I asked is it better to get the initial four steps as good as I can before moving on, or should I move on and just keep in mind "Edit It Later".

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Design, Development, and Gameplay / New RPGs - Order of Design
« on: March 11, 2020, 11:57:00 PM »
Quote from: Slipshot762;1123909
might i recommend the D6 system by west end games, the pdfs for star wars and the later produced fantasy/adventure/scifi are available for free and they are released under the ogl of 3e D&D fame. I'd considered making a fantasy setting for D6 fantasy myself but the more i look at it the more my ambition gets scaled back to just making a companion or supplement for such, since all thats really missing for it IS a setting or a more nailed down companion book that presents things more hardline than the free form toolkit format D6 is presented as. They tried to make it a sort of unisystem fantasy/scifi/adventure ruleset toolkit, and it reads as such, making it hard for many to see its true potential and leaving them full of questions, questions whose answers are "it depends on the game/setting/genre/tone/them you wish to run, it can do anything yo".

I bought those three PDFs on DriveThruRPG a few years ago. They would be a useful reference for system design, and as you pointed out, they're mostly missing a setting/companion book...

I'll look into using those as a basis for what I'm working on, though I'd still like to design something of my own with a D6 basis.

And I know others have done so for other games/settings. Cases in point: Talislanta and GURPS - Werewolf the Apocalypse. The former has three editions, each with the same basic information, but each using different rule sets like 5th Edition OGL or the aforementioned D6 Fantasy. The GURPS version of Werewolf is just that, so if you like GURPS more, have at it.

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Quote from: Shrieking Banshee;1123744
As a Jew, I gotta say too many jews throw around antisemitism as a quick way to shut people down. I find it disgusting. Its like using your mother as a human shield.

Agreed, but even though we may find it abhorrent, the fact that, like those other words, it's so useful at killing conversations is all that tends to matter these days.

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Quote from: Anon Adderlan;1123649
Even r/KotakuInAction blacklists OAG, and with good reason.

Sorry but the enemy of my enemy is not my friend, and overlooking genuine racism/antisemitism just because someone aligns with you in other areas is a huge part of the problem.

Not my concern frankly. If what gets posted there is too reactionary by your view, then start a similar blog and try to do their job without what you find objectionable. Keep in mind though, even if you try to play neutral, as KIA as found by being on Reddit, you'll always have a target on your back.

Quote from: Spinachcat;1123651
You're right that "enemy of my enemy =/= friend"

But in 2020, words like "racism" and "antisemitism" are nonsense noise. It's just "I don't want that person to speak".

I don't know OAG, but he can't be any more despicable than the clowns the MSM celebrates.

They aren't. The only reason they get that reputation is because, unlike other blogs, they don't censor because someone got their feelings hurt, and Billy tends to fight back instead of stay quiet, which I prefer to see.

Matter of fact, as some have pointed out, OAG is close to the only independent blog that keeps consistent track of the infiltration of SJWs into the anime and gaming spheres, among others.

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Quote from: Simon Fiasco;1121483
Greetings and Salutations, Rollers of Dice and Tellers of Tales!

I'm working on a map for a homebrew world, Scryr. Now, understand, I know precious little about geography, and even less about mapmaking, so I'm in need of folks who might take a look at this map and tell me what I've done wrong before I put any more time into finishing it up. The map below has no rivers, cities, or other features, yet, nor have I named any places other than the two continents, Erakadu and Malnivar. I was hoping people would be willing to tell me if the features I've included - mountains, especially - make sense where they are. While I'm not shooting for 100% realism - this is a high-magic fantasy world, after all - some semblance of reality would make me feel better about it. I've left in the equator and the tropics lines, if that helps.

So... let me know where I've gone astray! I'm more than happy to make changes.

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Given those equator lines and the size of the map, this world is probably the equivilent of a Small map in Civ IV, so the ice and tundra parts look about right. That desert looking spot on the middle landmass is also in line with what would cause a dry area near a mountain range.

I noticed a volcanic lake on the southern landmass. Could be something you could turn into a story point if it doesn't form a river at some point.

Overall, pretty nice map. Looks like a quality world foundation.

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Design, Development, and Gameplay / New RPGs - Order of Design
« on: March 08, 2020, 04:39:22 AM »
Quote from: Spinachcat;1123659
Are you building a new system from scratch?
Or using an existing system?
Or modifying an existing system?

And if you're building from scratch, what systems are you imitating or rejecting? Few things are new under the sun.

Yep. The oWoD STS was initially in my sights given the basic idea, which is three creature lines that can be mixed and matched, but after some thinking I went with a mostly from scratch system that uses a D6 pool style.

It is currently using a similar Attributes system to Fallout and Wasteland 2's SPECIAL/CLASSIC system, which is rolled instead of point bought, and starting skill points/some derived attributes like base Health are determined by how young or old the character is, as well as skill investment maximums. Traits were a favorite part of classic/New Vegas Fallout, so a variant of that came along as well.

I know the STS, like a few others, are Theatre of the Mind kind of games, so deciding between that and GURPS' hex system for movement is a bit of a conflict, but the turn system would function like most: 3 seconds per turn by Initiative order.

That's most of what I've got so far.

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Design, Development, and Gameplay / New RPGs - Order of Design
« on: March 07, 2020, 08:40:31 PM »
I'm curious to know, when designing new RPGs, once the basic idea is decided upon, what is a useful design priority to follow.

Here's what I have been trying as an example:
1. Attributes and Skills, or equivilent
2. Derived Attributes and How To Calculate Them
3. Some, not all, Special Systems
4. How to build a character
5. ...

At the moment, I'm stuck trying to figure out if I'm missing something by step 4, or if I need to fully plan step 5 and onwards. (Hopefully what gets posted here can help other designers as well as me.)

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