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The RPGPundit's Own Forum / Male self-hatred; as "woke" as can be
« on: March 30, 2020, 09:34:35 PM »
Quote from: Ratman_tf;1125279
Fucking delicious.

Apparently you're either a rapist or a racist.

From that opening, that thread seems more like the Mods' version of Speed Trap than anything, to lure out the insufficiently pure of thought and mind. The reactions so far are pretty much what's expect: The Witchfinder has pointed at you. You have no choice but silently and hmbly accept whatever punish deemed proper because we BELIEVE THE WOMAN!!!!!!!111

Modern TV (and increasingly the film industry) are pretty bad about presenting some hypocritical double standards when it comes to gender.  In the newest series for example, Picard is a essentially guest star in his own series that gets yelled at by women in every episode.   I heard a term on YouTube that's good: Organic Diversity such as  shows like the Expanse and the Orville are diverse but they don't beat you over the head with it.

The RPGPundit's Own Forum / Male self-hatred; as "woke" as can be
« on: March 26, 2020, 05:15:07 PM »
Quote from: CarlD.;1124958
A little off topic, but watching the reaction to this on all sides might prove interesting

EDIT: The tweet has been lblocked from public view but it was related to this:

The thread where this came up on's Tang was locked without a single red word.

Media and Inspiration / Motherland Fort Salem
« on: March 26, 2020, 05:13:02 PM »
Anyone gave this a watch and have an opinion? A friend suggested it to me,  but it seems, well, I I'm not sure exactly maybe a bit too much

Quote from: Shasarak;1124962
I hear that SJWs also complain about being depicted unfairly.  In some forums you are not even allowed to call them SJWs because they get so butt hurt over being called out over their ridiculousness.

Allot of them are assholes too, along with the Anti-SJWs (who tend to add or have different types of assholes among the number using their 'outrage' as cover allot like  how some genuinely misogynistic fucks assimilate themselves among the MRAs who often do point out legitimate issues and gripes that often go ignored or tacitly accepted. So their valid even simply debatable  points get lost in the resulting flames and name calling, but that's screed for another time).

Evangelical, holier-than-thou SJWs and aggressive angry Anti-SJWs tend to be equally thin skinned, petulant an flat out whiny, IME, but the preachy Evangelical SJW tend to edge them the A-SWJ when it comes to self righteousness. They're about even when it comes to victim-hood and persecution complexes, varying from person to person. In both cases, they saying "no one is more zealous than a convert" seems to apply,  again IME.

Quote from: Shrieking Banshee;1124957
I like how both are the same problem in your head. Only nazis protest diversity. Whatever helps you sleep at night.

But Il agree with you: It largely led to unremarkable bland characters that didn't last. It's just now they are even MORE egregious.

I don't think he was saying "only nazis protest about diversity but that lots of assholes did, Nazis were among them, throwing in complaints about how they were depicted 'unfairly'.

IOW, people that protest about diversity just for it being present are generally assholes. If a character is boring, flat or just generally uninteresting, its sex or ethnic background isn't usually the cause, its bad or lazy writer that would make Joe Smith of Caucasia suck. Complain about that, demand better not that there are *gasp* more non male, non straight, non white characters in the medium.

 Joe Smith isn't intrinsically more entertaining (to most), coloring differently doesn't make him more or less interesting by some default, making him a developed, well written character does.

Edit: Ever noticed the demand for justification that made for having a character be not white? You need a Reason to make a character black or Asian or Hispanic, etc, but not white like its a default setting. Homosexual characters are the same thing -- authors and filmmakers and such have to have a reason to make a character gay, instead of having a character and saying "This character is gay, by the way." Its weird. Hell, I catch myself doing it.

Now come the raging howls of SJW!

Quote from: deadDMwalking;1124948
Marvel used to get letters about 'forced diversity' in the sixties, and objections from literal Nazis in the 1940s objecting to unfavorable depictions.

The more times change, the more people stay the same. :-/

The RPGPundit's Own Forum / Male self-hatred; as "woke" as can be
« on: March 25, 2020, 10:54:40 PM »
A little off topic, but watching the reaction to this on all sides might prove interesting

EDIT: The tweet has been lblocked from public view but it was related to this:

The RPGPundit's Own Forum / Male self-hatred; as "woke" as can be
« on: March 09, 2020, 09:17:04 AM »
I wonder what effects on the current zeitgeist will have boys and young  men growing under it, hearing how 'toxic' what they are is, filled with images, stories and insinuation of their innate failing compared to the superiority of women and that anything with less of their 'kind' is automatically better. I remember hearing from boys as far back as the 90s statements like about fiction where it was 'boys vs girls' that the automatic and resigned assumption that the girls would win (and the boys humiliated  and depicted as jerks besides) and that was in times that are currently deemed intolerably sexist, even misogynistic.  

That seems even more driven home now, moving through out and beyond fiction. You have people waxing wishful how they don't even want sons, but daughters...

There are programs, support groups, studies, etc for women's issues and women's problems. Boys seem increasingly left to sink or swim as they can. There have have studies that illustrate performance and fitness among boys and young men but it seems to generate little reaction. Maybe its the pendulum swinging and eventually things will settle into a more balanced medium but it promises some interesting times over the next few decades.

Quote from: Omega;1123681
Would have been right after Colin Baker I believe. Suggested by the series creator to revitalize ratings. Joanna Lumley was one of the possible actresses considered for the role. Which makes her appearance as the female Doctor in the charity show a likely nod to that. Instead BBC went with Sylvester Mccoy. The idea proposed was to bring back Patrick Troughton and then transition into the female Doctor. "engage the concerns, fears and curiosity" of young viewers." as he viewd the current stories to mostly be sub par and lacking social value as he put it.

Quoted from an article

Huh, thanks! So even in the Gorean times of the 80s such things were being considered by we Patriarchal Neanderthals. *eyeroll*

Quote from: Trond;1123623
I can't open it. What's the joke?

Along the lines of "yes and if my aunt had a penis, she'd be my uncle. So?" The meaning of the original post being "Yes, if the situation was complexly different the reaction would be completely different." At least that's what I got from it.

Its like another recent ModHammer where an indictment of racial bias got got a poster slammed for 'misogyny' because it involved a women. Tang is really becoming a real life embodiment of the old criticism/joke about the Left/PCism (amusingly shown in works like Demolition Man) that people will get so sensitive and thin skinned, immediately assuming the worst and purity testing that communication will become almost impossible or require three-four paragraphs of boilerplate (The trigger warning parody in HBO's Watchmen).

Quote from: Omega;1123674
Thing is. They were seriously considering having the Doctor regenerate into a girl way the hell back in the 80s.

Really? Interesting! I hadn't heard anything about that.

Difference there was it was not being done for SJW reasons.

Define 'sjw reasons' vs the reasons given then?

Quote from: Trond;1120222
Because it sure looks like it. :D

And its not even the first time, Hell, someone got a Warning once for using the term 'male sperm' as it was transphobic (IIRC). Interestingly, saying things about the biological advantages that women have doesn't cause a stir.

This one was kind of amusing too, but for different reasons...

The RPGPundit's Own Forum / Male self-hatred; as "woke" as can be
« on: March 05, 2020, 01:03:56 PM »
Quote from: Trond;1120072
Did you notice that even Michelle Wolf, herself a rather obnoxious feminist, has finally understood that some radical feminists are this much batshit crazy? She joked that although she's a feminist, she knows that men are stronger than women, because she's not an idiot. And she also noted that some feminists DO admit that they hate all men. Most men were of course not surprised. That's......something I suppose. Baby steps.

Its a little saddening. I supported, as did many friends of mine, aspect of what I guess would be earlier waves of feminism quite a bit. I wouldn't call myself a "male feminist", the concept seems a bit a ridiculous frankly, so I guess I was an 'ally' in today parlance. Now though, it genuinely feels like that is unwelcome by an increasingly mainstream portion of the the 'movement' (which is and has been diverse, admittedly).

It feels as if its become more about women's superiority and male fault. That men are intellectually, but more ethically, emotionally even spiritually inferior and, at best, physically dead equal or behind in all physical senses. That if a man comes emerges victorious in any confrontation with a woman its solely because of sexism, Patriarchy, the Glass Ceiling or whatever the many names are. And Feminism is more about punishing men for that...and seemingly for not being women.

OTOH, the women are perpetual victims being held down by their brutish, stupid and immature sperm warmers, noble goddesses that need male help (for some reason) to ascend to their true role as Harbingers of paradise on Earth.

Yeah, that's being sarcastic, but it comes across that way pretty often.

And pop culture appears to be adopting that angle as well, in part because humans seem geared to take the suffering and harm towards females more emotionally than makes (for some solid biological reason, most likely, but its an important bit female 'privilege' that like other double standards that favor women is ignored or considered the norm or deserved.

The RPGPundit's Own Forum / Male self-hatred; as "woke" as can be
« on: February 22, 2020, 07:01:48 AM »
Quote from: Trond;1122763
....aaaand sure enough, I was right. I found a draft of the paper on Google scholar:

"92 participants were recruited in the present study, including 23 cisgender males, 23 cisgender females, 23 trans men and 23 trans women."

OF COURSE you will get noisy data if you pick rare outliers like that.

Thanks, I was wondering about the validity of the study's techniques. Those result seemed over the top.

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