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There is absolutely nothing wrong with racial liberation, queer liberation, and intersectional feminism.

OK, then.

Now tell us how Thirsty Sword Lesbians helps to positively bring about a world where these issues are not a problem. See, if you can't, then this game is just using those talking points to make sales and not make change you want to see.
Well you are putting too much into this. Thirsty Sword Lesbians is just a game made by people who enjoy it. It doesn't need to be anything more than that. Let people who want to have fun playing this game play it. Why in the world do you care?

I know that you are just here to troll.

But I'll share a secret with you. It never ends with, "Live and let live". It just keeps on going until that which does not conform to their ideology is silenced. You can tell by the language used in the game Kickstarter that this game is not meant to be a commercial success or a tool to help create safe spaces for gamers to play in, it is a propaganda weapon used to try and fleece the gullible of their money by antagonizing the dull-witted into reacting how they wish. The tactic has been used before and gets old very quick and most of the people on this forum are really tired of it.

Well, I'm not trying to troll. I'm just very passionate about the idea the role-playing games are for everyone and that there are many games that should appeal to many people.

Games like RaHoWa and Myfarog exist for those who are into that sh*t.

The idea of deriding a game because you find it offensive is just stupid.

You take the existence of this game as an attack against you. A game that appeals to otherwise marginalized people, who just want to have fun playing a role-playing game that appeals to them.

I don't know what to say about that other than f*ck off and let this game provide fun for those who want to play it.

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Well if you have a problem with the idea that a game is not for communists, then that is your problem. If you choose to provide comfort to communist beliefs then you got to reconcile that on your own. Don't blame independent forum posters for that.

Its not about identity politics. It is about communists have ZERO place in our society.

If you have comforting ideas towards communists then you are going to have to pay the price for it. If it means being ostracized from real connection from other people because you are an asshole, communist, Marxist, piece of shit than so be it. You deserve it.

If you are a communist, then get the f*ck out of our hobby. You don't belong here. I'll show you the door.

(Fixed that for you...)
Cute.

I didn't start this thread. I'm just responding to it.

You can't just dissolve yourself of your own failing by shifting blame to someone else. Although maybe in these times it is now considered ok.

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Thanks for outing yourself fixable.  Glad to know your a unfixable piece of fascist shit that I can safely ignore.

Mistwell and Fixable are not really interested in having a discussion of any kind. It's simply to metaphorically wag fingers say that the rpgsite is evil and to push carefully constructed personal narratives. Anyhing and everything that goes against said narrative is to be summarily ignored.

I figured that out from the start. Woke repressive, regressive SJWs have a way of starting a conversation where you and I and anyone else who has a difference of opinion is always in the wrong. We never said don't publish the rpg. Just that speaking for myself I will not support any rpg from a company that needs to always attach a woke SJW manifesto to every rpg. I used to game and be friends wirh someone like Fixable who started normal drank the SJW kool-aid an made myself and anyone who disagreed with him the enemy. For example they just changed the main actress from Batgirl from white to a POC and when myself and another gaming friend pointed out it was a race swap he accused us and the fans that disagreed with the change as being racist and misogynist. The other friend who is more liberal than myself just cut him from his life and I followed shortly after. As everytime we disagreed with his position we were (insert word)ists. It's pretty bad when even the Trump hating firmly on the Left in terms of political spectrum Liberal gets fed up of a person Woke SJw politics.
Well fine.

The thing is what you call a 'woke manifesto' is simply a statement of inclusiveness. I'm all for it. Why would you not make this hobby more inclusive and more accepting? It will only grow the hobby and bring more people into the game.

You are just scared. You are scared that people that you don't understand will be allowed to enjoy the hobby. These people may change the hobby from under your feet. You are scared that these 'so called wok sjw's will kill your hobby... or rather your preferred iteration of the hobby". These evil sjw's will force you to change your game.

That is absolute rubbish.

Play D&D the way you want to play D&D, and let those you don't agree with play D&D the way they want to play D&D. I propose a live and let live attitude, and you all jump down my throat thinking that I am promoting some made-up evil sjw terrorist organization determined to rule the world.

If you listen to yourselves, you sound ridiculous. Go GI Joe!!!

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Let people enjoy games that make them feel comfortable and safe.

Literal fucking LOL at this crap. Jesus Christ you people truly are insane.
Wow. You actually are willing to deride someone who makes a very open and accepting statement that people should play the games that make them feel comfortable and safe???

Why? Do you think that some people are not allowed to be comfortable and safe? Do you think some people are not allowed to enjoy the games they like? I don't understand you motivation, here.

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There is absolutely nothing wrong with racial liberation, queer liberation, and intersectional feminism.

OK, then.

Now tell us how Thirsty Sword Lesbians helps to positively bring about a world where these issues are not a problem. See, if you can't, then this game is just using those talking points to make sales and not make change you want to see.
The fact that the game exists and addresses these elements as a matter of fact. It helps bring awareness. It also provides an avenue where such is acceptable. It helps those who need a feeling of acceptance and does no harm to anyone else. It is a great idea.

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Well yes of course. That means stop deriding other people's game experiences/needs.

I mean the only reason this thread exists is because someone saw an rpg game designed for LGBTQ needs and derided it. I mean how much more hypocritical can you get?

Why on heaven's green earth do you care if a game is advertised as anti-fascist or anti-bigot. If you aren't either of such then good for them. If you are, then just go about whatever it is your kind do on a daily basis. Why are you letting it bother you?

Why the hell do you care about this? Are you so easily offended? Let people enjoy games that make them feel comfortable and safe.
I don't think that anybody really cares about an RPG for LGBTQ people. Though, it is a silly idea. You can play a "thirsty lesbian" in any RPG that I have ever played with no additional difficulty. Thirsty Sword Lesbians is a silly name for a game too, it strikes me as more sexploitation than social justice, and that is probably how they should have done it. Like Car Lesbians.

As for why we would let this bother us? I can only speak for myself in saying that a single small time indy game with SJW elements doesn't trouble me at all, even if the creators say that I'm bad and wrong and not allowed to play.

The problem is that this isn't a one time thing with one minor game. It is an extremist attitude which is coming to dominate all geeky hobbies from RPG's to video games to shows, movies, and books. It seems like we can't engage in any geeky activity without being beat over the had with how bad straight white men are and what villains people are for disagreeing.

Would you be pissed off about a bunch of right wing extremists making a RPG where they said that left wingers are terrible and not allowed to play? I bet you would hate that, even if it was an unpopular game made by a small group. How would you feel then if a high percentage of game companies were like that, if most of the TV shows were like that?

Why are you here chastising us for complaining about Thirsty Sword Lesbians instead of asking them why they care about the politics of role players?
Right-wing extremist games already exist. There are several. I'm talking about RaHoWa or Myfarog. I'm sure left-wingers would be disparaged by players of those games. I'm sure those who play these games would care about the politics of their players as well.

I have never made a post in any form of my online presence against them. But there is a difference. Those proposing games like RaHoWa and Myfarog have points of view that can cause active harm to others. Tell me what actual physical harm have thirsty lesbians ever threatened upon you?

I think the name is a little silly too, but I think that is the point. It is a game that is just embracing that and letting it run. I think it is very brave and forward.

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There is absolutely nothing wrong with racial liberation, queer liberation, and intersectional feminism.

OK, then.

Now tell us how Thirsty Sword Lesbians helps to positively bring about a world where these issues are not a problem. See, if you can't, then this game is just using those talking points to make sales and not make change you want to see.
Well you are putting too much into this. Thirsty Sword Lesbians is just a game made by people who enjoy it. It doesn't need to be anything more than that. Let people who want to have fun playing this game play it. Why in the world do you care?

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Venger recently claimed that the OSR officially endorses Donald Trump for re-election, as what is obviously a stupid publicity stunt. So this is obviously a response to that, implying that anyone who supports Donald Trump is a Nazi.
Lol no.
Venger states that the OSR is for Trump.
Stephanie states the OSR is for leftism.

What is the difference? It is two people making claims. Neither should be considered less than the other (unless this site has a bias which is very strong here on this site).

If you want to disparage Stephanie for stating that the OSR is for Leftism then you should also disparge Venger equally for stating that the OSR is for Trump.

Both are wrong by the way. No one person speaks for the OSR.  But If the OSR has to take sides, I'm on the not nazi fascist side.

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Notice that I didn't mention politics here. I view that as an aspect of real life people game to escape. So it's not welcome at the game table at all to me.

I've gamed with a lot of people who had a lot of different political beliefs. But it was universally accepted that some things are just best left away from the game table. So people could enjoy themselves. So people could escape.

The problem is you can't make that argument with people who believe everything is political.
Well yes of course. That means stop deriding other people's game experiences/needs.

I mean the only reason this thread exists is because someone saw an rpg game designed for LGBTQ needs and derided it. I mean how much more hypocritical can you get?

Why on heaven's green earth do you care if a game is advertised as anti-fascist or anti-bigot. If you aren't either of such then good for them. If you are, then just go about whatever it is your kind do on a daily basis. Why are you letting it bother you?

Why the hell do you care about this? Are you so easily offended? Let people enjoy games that make them feel comfortable and safe.

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Its not about identity politics. It is about facists have ZERO place in our society.

Do you know how I know you're lying? Your definition of fascist is "racist, misogynist, transphobe, etc." Those are all idpol issues, even if you think the right position on them is obvious. What is so evil about fascist economy policy? Plenty, but that's not what you're talking about.
I don't know what you mean by idpol issues. I think you are making a term up. Care to define? Either way you are deflecting.

And yes fascisim is exactly that. Fascist behavior is synomonous with racism, misogyny, and transphobia. Look at the actions of Nazi Germany, look at how Russia treats those who are homosexual. I mean are you defending fascism?

And if you have to ask what is wrong with fascist economy policy then, literally what the f are you talking about?

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Well the first step to determining who is fascist is looking at the actions taken.

Aggressiveness towards an RPG just because it caters to LGBTQ ideals is a pretty obvious clue.

Another clue is seeing which posters are actively trying to exclude people from playing RPGs.
Exactly. As you quoted... aggressiveness towards an rpg because it caters to LGBTQ ideals is actively trying to exclude people from playing RPGs. Thank you for agreeing with my point!  :D

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Its not about identity politics. It is about facists have ZERO place in our society.

No, it’s about identity politics. The Kickstarter itself says it’s about identity politics. It mentions racial liberation, queer liberation and Intersectional Feminism.

That.

Is.

Identity.

Politics.

The entire point of Intersectional Feminism is identity politics. It’s about the intersection of all identity groups. That IS identity politics.

“FaScIsT” are just a red herring.

Well the first step to determining who is fascist is looking at the actions taken.

I agree.

If you are a fascist, then get the f*ck out of our hobby. You don't belong here.

Get the fuck out of our hobby.

You Fascist. :P
There is absolutely nothing wrong with racial liberation, queer liberation, and intersectional feminism. Execpt that you don't like it.

Fine, I'll concede that if fascists want to play D&D they can play D&D. Just they got to understand that they can play in their own basements and they got to bring their own swastikas and confederate flags.

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But Chris, why are you bothered that he's bothered if you're bothered by this? :)

Too much bothering in this thread, not enough hotness!



Well this thread is all about being bothered about something stupid. Maybe better to just say it was a dumb thing to be bothered about and move on. I mean just stop, right. Just no need to get bent out of shape about this game.

Everyone just post: OH cool game. Good Luck. Maybe throw the author some monetary support.

And move on.

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It's worthwhile to note the SJW freakshow crowd ponied up $60k so far.

Clearly there's a paying audience, though it might be an already existing Twitter audience that's been cultivated by Hicks, the artist and the author.

Why is this an issue for you all?

Because of this part:

"This game is not for fascists, TERFs, or other bigots. The team behind Thirsty Sword Lesbians supports racial liberation, intersectional feminism, and queer liberation. We love and respect transgender people, nonbinary people, intersex people, and women. This game is a joyous celebration of lives and identities otherwise marginalized. If you don’t agree, fix your heart before sharing a table with other people."

Anyone is free to make anything they like. Want to make the Pygmy RPG and only sell it to pygmies? Sure, go for it. But when the publisher promotes their game by shitting on potential customers???

It's not even a game that welcomes all women or all lesbians. Muff diving and flannel ain't enough credentials for the Evil Asshat crew. Any conservative lesbians and lesbians who a pro-women (instead of cheering dudes with boobs) aren't welcome.

Do we really want identity politics championed in the hobby?

And before you make any bitch noise about this "bothering me", I've given up on the hobby as something that brings people together. Nope, everyone to your tribe and only your tribe sits at your table.

As I've said before, all I need for my "RPG hobby" to exist 3-5 nightmarish deplorables who want to play twice a month. Considering my gaming crew blew off CoronaChan and kept tossing dice, I'm pretty sure "fascists, TERFs and other bigots" will be pretty easy to recruit into the future.

Well if you have a problem with the idea that a game is not for fascists, then that is your problem. If you choose to provide comfort to fascist beliefs then you got to reconcile that on your own. Don't blame an independent RPG for that.

Its not about identity politics. It is about facists have ZERO place in our society.

If you have comforting ideas towards fascists then you are going to have to pay the price for it. If it means being ostracized from real connection from other people because you are an asshole, fascist, Nazi, piece of shit than so be it. You deserve it.

If you are a fascist, then get the f*ck out of our hobby. You don't belong here. I'll show you the door.

The issue is I don't trust Evil Hat's (and some others) judgement on who is a fascist.
Well the first step to determining who is fascist is looking at the actions taken.

Aggressiveness towards an RPG just because it caters to LGBTQ ideals is a pretty obvious clue.

That's not even close to fascism, or why people think the intro is shit. But thanks for playing.
So what is right then?

What is your absolute best case scenario with regards to this situation?

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Aggressiveness towards an RPG just because it caters to LGBTQ ideals is a pretty obvious clue.

Good, something we can probably agree on.

Fortunately if I look at what people have posted, a large number of the posters here aren't aggressive towards the rpg's existence.

What they do object to is the espoused values of the company creating said item!
Who cares about the values of the company that created said item?

I mean how does it hurt anyone that another company's values creates such a game?

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