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Messages - Ratman_tf

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From my view, those are the cases when I would *most* rely on a doctor's advice. The doctor has less information to go on in those case - but then so do I. I think it's always a bad idea for patients to do their own research and decide against their doctor's advice - and that is still true for new and/or experimental treatments. My doctor has a base of much more knowledge and experience than me. For a new treatment, she may well say "I don't know" and refer me to a specialist, but it's still deciding from a grounding she has of much greater knowledge of health.

But you choose your doctor and then choose to follow their reccomendations. I could pick a doctor that agrees with the critics of the vaccine and then say I'm choosing not to get vaccinated on the reccomendation of my family doctor. What would make my decision any better or worse than yours? I'm doing what my doctor said was right!

You can't offload the responsibility of making decisions about your body and health on another person. At best you can rely on their expertise to make your decision, but in the end, it's your decison, and your doctor doesn't have to live with your decisions. That's the time when you should do some research and make as informed a decision as possible.

There's a huge difference between:

1) Choosing a doctor based on qualifications, and agreeing after talking to them.

2) Having concerns about your doctor and getting a second or third opinion - then using one's judgement to decide between the differing suggestions.

3) Pre-deciding what one want to hear, and then searching the Internet to find any doctor among tens of thousands because they say that.


I'm fine with #1 and #2, but I think #3 is a bad idea. If the doctor that you happened to choose is against the covid vaccine, I agree there is no difference. But if you're talking about #3, I think there is a difference.

Yeah. I didn't mean to word that as if I were seeking out a doctor specifically for an outcome. I meant, the doctor you picked turned out to be, etc....

Your option 2 is interesting. What would cause someone to have those concerns about their doctor? Especially for a contentious topic like experimental vaccines.

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I like The Dragon in Dark Sun. A singular creature*, the result of an epic magical process where a human slowly metamorphosizes into a dragon. By 2nd edition rules, a 30th level Psionicist/Defiler. (MU)

*The other Sorcerer Kings are in the process of their metamorphosis.

For "typical" D&D campaigns, it depends. I like beastial dragons, but I also like intelligent ones that can cast spells. Depends on what I think will be coolest for the scenario.

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Are you here to talk about Eclipse Phase or a bunch of tangenital crap?

I'd say it's sort of about transhumanism (which is very related to EP so I wouldn't say it's tangential). I generally bash the idea, and he defends it. And because it's Matt it's also a bunch of other stuff because he can't help himself.
I think this thread in general was just designed to appeal to Matts's transhumanist kick. With a lot of people questioning and rejecting it, he comes back even after being banned to defend it.
I'm still waiting for an answer to the original question of the thread title. Does ANYONE actually PLAY Eclipse Phase?

Sure, and the thread is mostly about transhumanism with a bunch of internet geeks arguing like they argue about whether a Star Trek starship would win in a fight with a Star Destroyer.

Maybe it's time to tune out the thread. I mostly got interested because the OP started out in such a stupid way, and I'm a sucker for jangling keys.

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I've watched medication fuck up my mom, my sister, and my dad.  And that is just mental stuff not even opioids.  Luckily my family has been able to avoid that particular curse that doctors lay on people.

My brother was diagnosed with spastic colitis and prescribed a heavy fiber diet, which utterly fucked with the actual condition he had, Chron's Disease. It took him years and multiple doctors to get a correct diagnosis and a treatment plan.
Sometimes, doctors make mistakes. Sometimes, they make their patients worse. Sometimes they overprescribe opiods or antibiotics. A person can't just blindly do what their doctor says.

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How do we differ on specifics? Do you think listening to one's doctor is a good idea for whether to get a given vaccine? Is the answer different for covid compared to other vaccines?

Yes and yes.

The science and data for known vaccines for known diseases have been around for decades if not hundreds of years. If a family doctor, general practicioner type says to get a known vaccine, that's probably good, informed advice.

The Covid-19 mRNA vaccine was literally created last year, and only has emergency FDA approval in the face of the pandemic. You can't seek legal recourse for any unintended side effects of the mRNA vaccines.

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/12/16/covid-vaccine-side-effects-compensation-lawsuit.html

That in itself might give someone pause. But governments are pushing these vaccinations on everyone, worldwide. I don't expect a general practicioner, family doctor type to have an informed opinion on experimental vaccines and their unforseen consequences. Just the government line that everybody need to get vaccinated.

It's true that general practitioners are less informed about the newly-released vaccines than established vaccines. But the general public are even less well-informed than doctors are, and have much less background knowledge to understand news items and properly evaluate risks.

It sounds like you're saying that in the case of new and/or experimental treatments, that's when a patient should *not* listen to their doctor - because a general practitioner won't have experience with those. Is that fair?

No. I'm saying it's a factor in people's decisions, not an absolute.

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From my view, those are the cases when I would *most* rely on a doctor's advice. The doctor has less information to go on in those case - but then so do I. I think it's always a bad idea for patients to do their own research and decide against their doctor's advice - and that is still true for new and/or experimental treatments. My doctor has a base of much more knowledge and experience than me. For a new treatment, she may well say "I don't know" and refer me to a specialist, but it's still deciding from a grounding she has of much greater knowledge of health.

But you choose your doctor and then choose to follow their reccomendations. I could pick a doctor that agrees with the critics of the vaccine and then say I'm choosing not to get vaccinated on the reccomendation of my family doctor. What would make my decision any better or worse than yours? I'm doing what my doctor said was right!

You can't offload the responsibility of making decisions about your body and health on another person. At best you can rely on their expertise to make your decision, but in the end, it's your decison, and your doctor doesn't have to live with your decisions. That's the time when you should do some research and make as informed a decision as possible.

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One issue i see here is people saying "But would it still be you?"

I'm not sure how that could be answered, but even if it's not the same as you is that terrible?

Now, yes, getting hacked to be a good l'il corporate servant sucks infinite ass,  no argument there.

But as to remaining 'you', are you the same you that existed when you were 10? Are you the same you that you were 20 years ago? Have you changed thru education, growth or some sort of trauma? Trying to remain the same you you were long ago means you didn't become more than you were.

In 'ghost in the shell" (Not the whitewash live action mess) Motoko  Kusanagi is offered a chance to merge with a fully sentient self aware AI that evolved in the internet's sea of information. She asks how she can be sure she'd still be her.

Project 2501 admits she can't be sure she'd still be the same, and says you cannot become what you could be by remaining what you are. Your effort to remain as you are limits you.

So maybe a you that became a transhuman ego able to shift from body to body, fork and reintegrate, etc wouldn't be you as you are now. Would it be better?  Worse?

Honestly arguing if humans would be the same after transhuman tech, mind uploading, morphing, etc opens a question: "Is humanity so good it shouldn't change?"

Yeah, i'm glad we changed from our ancestors who practiced open slavery, total dominance of women, human sacrifice, etc.  You look at the well documented and recorded 20th century and i think you see that the human race as it is now needs some improving.


Look, america today would shock the founding fathers, i mean they voted for slavery, declared a black man was property and amounted to 3/5 of a person, woman could not vote, etc. in most of america a woman could not have her own bank account until the 1970's. Imagine them seeing barack obama sworn in as president.  :o

Society, culture and the people in them change, and i for one am glad we do.

Sure change can be bad, it can be good. But stagnation is bad, period. The hypercorps show some people and things have not changed. The Argonauts and the Titanians show some things have changed.

So, yes, people will be changed by technology and new abilities, all we can do is try the best we can  to make it positive change.



Are you here to talk about Eclipse Phase or a bunch of tangenital crap?

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Guys i was talking about role playing games.

And all I could come up with is a board game.

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Mass effect seems like a contender for a TTRPG, as do Deus Ex, fallout,(Never played it) and maybe something like rainbow 6. I just don't see them happening tho.
You can do all of those with GURPS.

Yeah, but why would you want to?

https://instantrimshot.com/

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I kinda liked the Gears of War board game. It's a lot like Space Hulk/Siege of the Citadel.



I've been meaning to dig it out and try it again, but I can't find my rule book. :/

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To Ratman - sorry, that wasn't meant to imply you. I was talking about people I know in real life pre-covid.

I think we're agreed here that listening to one's own doctor who knows you and treats you for health advice is a good idea.

As a pretty milquetoast and generalized statement, yeah.

Fair enough. How do we differ on specifics? Do you think listening to one's doctor is a good idea for whether to get a given vaccine? Is the answer different for covid compared to other vaccines?

Yes and yes.

The science and data for known vaccines for known diseases have been around for decades if not hundreds of years. If a family doctor, general practicioner type says to get a known vaccine, that's probably good, informed advice.

The Covid-19 mRNA vaccine was literally created last year, and only has emergency FDA approval in the face of the pandemic. You can't seek legal recourse for any unintended side effects of the mRNA vaccines.

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/12/16/covid-vaccine-side-effects-compensation-lawsuit.html

That in itself might give someone pause. But governments are pushing these vaccinations on everyone, worldwide. I don't expect a general practicioner, family doctor type to have an informed opinion on experimental vaccines and their unforseen consequences. Just the government line that everybody need to get vaccinated.

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I'm offended at this whole line of discussion about rats.


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The level treadmill and its lack of connection to fiction is one of my bigger gripes when it comes to D&D. I understand why developers/publishers want to provide this content, but at my actual gaming table there's no reason it has to be this way.

In future campaigns I run I might try to tie character progression to more meaningful story beats. If the player characters defeat a goblin tribe, slay a dragon, or banish a demon-prince, then based on what they actually accomplished give them some benefits. Of course negotiating with players on what they want and how to handle it is a lot more work, but personalizing the game is pretty much the point of running TTRPGs.

Personally, I hate these kinds of milestone xp systems. I like xp and levels and I like the system to have some granularity so the GM can modulate the xp awards.


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Most of the selfies have been on social media. I've gotten both of my shots and have no intention of posting a selfie. No need until the mRNA chamges give me my mutant powers. I do have a quick question since I see Kungflu and China virus getting tossed around casually. How many of you know anyone of Asian ancestry that has been subjected to racism as a result?

Know of anyone, or personally know someone?

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I think that's an extensive list. I'd be happy enough with the first five. Asking about the setting is a great idea, but I think I'd want to know some of that even before session zero. You GM should have a one-pager describing the game including a genre description.

I'd be worried if the GM struggled to answer any of the questions in your list. I get the impression that some would, based on a recent experience. Link your video.

Yeah, just link it, man. Don't be shy.

I think that's way too much info for me, personally. I don't expect a GM to have all their ducks in a row. Just enough to get the game rolling. Most importantly, you can't easily summarize a GM's style in a few sentences. Sometimes you gotta invest a few game sessions to find it out.

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For a site that liked to bitch about rpg.net banning people i see several users seems to be banned.

Yes, if you intentionally break the site rules and try to piss off Pundit you run the risk of him eventually getting fed up and banning you. Nobody I can recall is calling for no moderation.

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