Why did I go read that thread why?? The sad part is the same people downplaying what happened to Hambly would be on a frothing rage fit, pearl clutching, "my life is ruined and/or at a end, why are the police and Gencon not doing ANYTHING" epileptic rage inducing fit if it was a women, gay or trans-gendered person.

Quote from: sureshot;1052730Why did I go read that thread why?? The sad part is the same people downplaying what happened to Hambly would be on a frothing rage fit, pearl clutching, "my life is ruined and/or at a end, why are the police and Gencon not doing ANYTHING" epileptic rage inducing fit if it was a women, gay or trans-gendered person.

There is no "would be" here.  They were.  Let's not forget the stink that got raised around Origins this year where an exhibitor, in a bar after convention hours, after talking to an attendee for a few hours made a crude pass at her.  Dear god you would have thought he tried to kill her by the reaction that got.

I am too old to think I should do or endorse it, but I would have LOVED for this matt guy to want to engage me in a fight over my feelings towards Sarkesian.  Odd that he decided instead to just run up and assault the guy though.  I would have handled it a bit differently than Jeremy did though,  but to each his own.

Quote from: oggsmash;1052839I am too old to think I should do or endorse it, but I would have LOVED for this matt guy to want to engage me in a fight over my feelings towards Sarkesian.  Odd that he decided instead to just run up and assault the guy though.  I would have handled it a bit differently than Jeremy did though,  but to each his own.

I think Hambly has handled it correctly. When you're ambushed I think it's often the best course of action to flee the site of the ambush. He was taken by surprise, had no way of being sure it was just one guy involved, and he had a means to fall back. Would have been different if he had family with him. Then he would have needed to stay with them in case they were attacked, too. If he fought back this would've just been of two idiots getting into a fight at a bar. I didn't know Hambly before this. Now that I do I have to say I don't get his hang ups about cosplayers, but people shouldn't be subject to assault just because of wrongthink. He'd have no ground to stand on at all if he had fought back. Who started it almost always gets lost in the conflicting stories of how a fight got started if both sides throw punches.

Quote from: Spinachcat;1052593OMG OMG OMG I would have SOOOO fucked with them.

What a bunch of worthless losers.

Glad you weren't there, then.

Me too! The country which had mosh pits at football games now has safety ninnies fretting at a gaming con! What a sad sad joke.

Quote from: wmarshal;1052866I think Hambly has handled it correctly. When you're ambushed I think it's often the best course of action to flee the site of the ambush. He was taken by surprise, had no way of being sure it was just one guy involved, and he had a means to fall back. Would have been different if he had family with him. Then he would have needed to stay with them in case they were attacked, too. If he fought back this would've just been of two idiots getting into a fight at a bar. I didn't know Hambly before this. Now that I do I have to say I don't get his hang ups about cosplayers, but people shouldn't be subject to assault just because of wrongthink. He'd have no ground to stand on at all if he had fought back. Who started it almost always gets lost in the conflicting stories of how a fight got started if both sides throw punches.

   I do not disagree he handled best for himself.  If he could handle his business physically I feel it would have been better to set the precedent at the bar.  Like I said, the solution is not the same for everyone.

Quote from: oggsmash;1052978I do not disagree he handled best for himself.  If he could handle his business physically I feel it would have been better to set the precedent at the bar.  Like I said, the solution is not the same for everyone.

Invite him to your dojo if he has a problem with people criticizing Anita's presence. Wilder did it:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lK22F4DGAL8

The problem there, is a guy like that would never show up.  The zelontoff dude is a total asshat,  but he does show up to take his beatings (with comic level hilarity).  The guy saying he was a former krav maga instructor tells me pretty much all I needed to know about him.  As I said though, I have no idea if Jeremy has ever even been in a fight before (the Matt dude thinks himself a bad ass because he is surrounded by folks who rarely get their heart rate over 90 on purpose) and did what he should in the situation.  I think folks like Matt learn a bit better with a 6-8 week recovery period.  The guy will probably be able to defend a lawsuit and assault charges with a go fund me  or some such where he proports himself a nazi puncher.

... but punching wallets through time wasting legal bureacracy hurts so much more.

Quote from: Opaopajr;1052983... but punching wallets through time wasting legal bureacracy hurts so much more.

  I think in this case not so much.  The guy is single so far as I can tell (meaning no kids to support), and is likely barely getting by running a gaming store. His lifestyle is not going to take a hit even a little bit IMO.   I would even  say he is likely to double down on his radical activities.    Punching the wallets of productive successful people hurts so much more.  I think the dude in this case is not that.

Quote from: oggsmash;1052978I do not disagree he handled best for himself.  If he could handle his business physically I feel it would have been better to set the precedent at the bar.  Like I said, the solution is not the same for everyone.

If you leave the police and the courts out of the equation, you have a point. The cops find self-defense claims "messy" and you would certainly be arrested, although probably not convicted, if your witnesses backed your claim that you were attacked. Being arrested is a very  bad thing for someone who wants to keep or attain a middle-class lifestyle. When I worked in a bookstore, I could get in fights. Arrests meant nothing to me. When I got a job in publishing, I had to be sure not to be caught. Now that I'm retired? hmmm

I have zero problem with Hambly using flight as his defense. He was ambushed and had no idea if his attacker was armed or had others to continue the attack. Black belts don't mean much if the ambush turns into a gunfight or a group beatdown. Also, real world violence =/= gym sparring or even competition matches. This ain't D&D or Hollywood or Street Fighter.

I am still unclear on HOW and WHY the bar's window was broken.  

As for the criminal case, the victory would be the attacker being found guilty in a court of law for assault. That would open the door for a civil suit to be effective, but if you win a civil suit, good luck with collecting your money (even if they have assets). Its not uncommon to win a civil suit and never see your settlement.

Quote from: Spinachcat;1053040I have zero problem with Hambly using flight as his defense. He was ambushed and had no idea if his attacker was armed or had others to continue the attack. Black belts don't mean much if the ambush turns into a gunfight or a group beatdown. Also, real world violence =/= gym sparring or even competition matches. This ain't D&D or Hollywood or Street Fighter.

I am still unclear on HOW and WHY the bar's window was broken.  

As for the criminal case, the victory would be the attacker being found guilty in a court of law for assault. That would open the door for a civil suit to be effective, but if you win a civil suit, good luck with collecting your money (even if they have assets). Its not uncommon to win a civil suit and never see your settlement.

You mean ten-string combos that end with a double-shoryuken isn't real?

Quote from: tenbones;1053042You mean ten-string combos that end with a double-shoryuken isn't real?

Hey! That happens!

Somewhere...