Youtuber violently assaulted at Gencon by sjw

Spinachcat · August 06, 2018, 01:39:31 AM

Quote from: RPGPundit;1051745James Raggi had to HIRE BODYGUARDS to go to Gencon this year.

Did Raggi post an explanation for WHY?

Security isn't cheap.

Quote from: RPGPundit;1051750Two guys did NOT "get into a fight in a bar". ONE guy did a sneak attack and tried to viciously beat another guy without the slightest bit of prompting. The other guy did not fight back but retreated from the fight to a place of safety, at which point the assailant punched a fucking window.

If it was up to me, everyone who commits assault would sit and shit in a jail cell until their fair and speedy trial.

But I know cops, especially in big cities like Indy (and even more especially when incidents involve bars), so even if the attacker was arrested, I could see them being let out of jail in a few hours.

AKA, plenty of time to go back to work, or attend GenCon.

Christopher Brady · August 06, 2018, 02:33:38 AM

Quote from: jeff37923;1051741Could you elaborate?

Just a bunch of would be cosplayers using their bodies and skimpier than should have been (one girl was wearing less than Savage Lands Rogue from X-Men as her outfit, I'm sure she was someone from a comic), trying to promote their ideology and knowing exactly what they were doing. And got upset when someone pointed it out (not me. I had asked a question that had bothered me sincerely, "What do you do with the chickens and cows? It took hundreds of thousands of years to make them into the food animals today, they can't live in the wild, and if we can't use them for food or materials, are super expensive to keep as rather stupid pets." They ignored me.) what they were doing and got the entire family kicked out.

jeff37923 · August 06, 2018, 02:36:43 AM

Quote from: Christopher Brady;1051759Just a bunch of would be cosplayers using their bodies and skimpier than should have been (one girl was wearing less than Savage Lands Rogue from X-Men as her outfit, I'm sure she was someone from a comic), trying to promote their ideology and knowing exactly what they were doing. And got upset when someone pointed it out (not me. I had asked a question that had bothered me sincerely, "What do you do with the chickens and cows? It took hundreds of thousands of years to make them into the food animals today, they can't live in the wild, and if we can't use them for food or materials, are super expensive to keep as rather stupid pets." They ignored me.) what they were doing and got the entire family kicked out.

Sounds like what I expected.

Ratman_tf · August 06, 2018, 03:40:08 AM

Quote from: RPGPundit;1051751Incidentally, here's my blog post on the Gencon assault.

The MAD analogy is a good one.

Spinachcat · August 06, 2018, 04:21:10 AM

Quote from: RPGPundit;1051751Incidentally, here's my blog post on the Gencon assault.

You said it very well:

We have to recognize EVERYONE'S freedom of speech and conscience, because as soon as you claim that your brute force/power can be used to violently silence someone who disagrees with you, you are forfeiting your only argument against someone else more powerful than you using their brute force to silence YOU.

moonsweeper · August 06, 2018, 09:49:07 AM

THIS

"We have to recognize EVERYONE'S freedom of speech and conscience, because as soon as you claim that your brute force/power can be used to violently silence someone who disagrees with you, you are forfeiting your only argument against someone else more powerful than you using their brute force to silence YOU."

1000% THIS

It follows the basic logic of not giving anybody authority/power over you which you wouldn't want your worst enemy to have.

...and the fact that they don't understand this simple idea, shows a complete breakdown of any critical thinking ability.

I suppose I shouldn't really be surprised at this point. :rolleyes:

AsenRG · August 06, 2018, 10:29:10 AM

Quote from: Spinachcat;1051742No. There are NO words that can get you punched.

Empirical evidence points to the contrary, man;)!

QuoteWords are NEVER an excuse for violence.

I'm not talking about "excuses", as I'm neither condoning nor condemning it. I'm stating it's a fact of life that everyone needs to acknowledge, even though the law is quite clear in its disapproval:D!

KingCheops · August 06, 2018, 10:38:28 AM

Quote from: WillInNewHaven;1051749I believe that he would have been crucified. On the other tentacle, I don't Gencon has any responsibility to do the job of the police and the courts on this matter _or_ on the proposed Sarkeesian dissing. I think entities like corporations and universities and cons should pull out of the policing and virtue-enforcing business.

But they sure as hell should be policing their own image. If I'm working for a place and commit a criminal offense I'd get fired almost immediately depending what the offense was (public urination -- don't do it again; assault -- you're not a good fit). The company doesn't want to be associated with the negative act. You know unless it is Hollyweird and they're looking to hire a director for an action movie franchise. The assaulter wasn't just some random convention attendee -- he was an exhibitor and was promoted on their social media. That's a VERY BAD look.

Between this and Anita Sarkeesian GenCon has officially come off my bucket list.

tenbones · August 06, 2018, 10:39:23 AM

What you're really acknowledging, AsenRG, is that people, empirically, are composed of a ginormous segment that happen to be idiots. They are the largest tribe on earth.

ThatChrisGuy · August 06, 2018, 11:46:18 AM

Quote from: Christopher Brady;1051511It's 'wrong' only in so much as they're effectively whoring themselves, not showing off any real skill at costume making.

Maybe "exotic-dancering" themselves, at most. It's not like they're getting paid for real hanky-panky if they're getting paid at all.

Lynn · August 06, 2018, 12:57:23 PM

Quote from: AsenRG;1051805I'm not talking about "excuses", as I'm neither condoning nor condemning it. I'm stating it's a fact of life that everyone needs to acknowledge, even though the law is quite clear in its disapproval:D!

The law though is the moral expression of the voting public, so it is condemned by the voting public. The fact of life is that some people are either criminal, lack impulse control or think the consequences do not apply to them (or collectively, TenBone's 'idiots').

That is also why many USA states have 'stand your ground' laws and their jails accumulate the above. And that's okay.

HappyDaze · August 06, 2018, 02:33:01 PM

Quote from: Lynn;1051820The law though is the moral expression of the voting public, so it is condemned by the voting public. The fact of life is that some people are either criminal, lack impulse control or think the consequences do not apply to them (or collectively, TenBone's 'idiots').

That is also why many USA states have 'stand your ground' laws and their jails accumulate the above. And that's okay.

Most of the law is the expression of yesteryears' voting public. Today's voting public can change that some, but it's a very slow and difficult process.

Orphan81 · August 06, 2018, 02:42:11 PM

Quote from: Koltar;1051739You've got some issues to work out apparently.

- Ed C.

The Cosplayer in question says she doesn't want to be seen in a sexual manner...and LITERALLY HAS two videos on her website...one where she's clearly not wearing a bra and shaking her boobs...the other where she's shaking her ass and making a pun about her ass...

And calling her a hypocrite means I have issues?

Mistwell · August 06, 2018, 02:57:48 PM

Quote from: Orphan81;1051830The Cosplayer in question says she doesn't want to be seen in a sexual manner...and LITERALLY HAS two videos on her website...one where she's clearly not wearing a bra and shaking her boobs...the other where she's shaking her ass and making a pun about her ass...

Wait wait wait wait....

You can't drop a claim like that without a link!

Mistwell · August 06, 2018, 03:03:44 PM

So this latest video answers a lot of questions.

1) There are definitely witnesses to the assault.
2) There does seem to be a police report (and I was able to look it up and his name is listed in the data base in Indianapolis)
3) He isn't even the one directly behind the GoFundMe project, and he's not taking the money until the contributors decide how it should be used, and he's fine refunding all the money as well. He's not going to profit from the GoFundMe.
4) The accused responded to it on his private FB page, where he concludes with "#PunchNazis"