Quote from: Darrin Kelley;1051963You obviously have no experience in the media.

Based on your previous statement, neither do you

Quote from: Darrin Kelley;1051963You obviously have no experience in the media.

For photos and videos, the person whose likeness is being used has to grant their permission in writing. Otherwise, said media outlet isn't legally allowed to use it. That's how it works in the United States.

And yes. Hambly is considered an independant journalist by the very existance of his channel on Youtube.

Reporting doesn't require any permissions at all, or else Roy Moore never would have been exposed.  Or Bill Clinton, or Harvey Weinstein, etc.

Quote from: Darrin Kelley;1051954His opinion was unsolicited.

Legitimate press outlets ask permission before going forward with an article or a video.

And no. I don't consider dirt sheets like the National Enquirer legitimate.

He didn't ask her permission. So it was harassment.

CNN, NBC, ABC, the New York times don't have, and likely never, to seek permission before publishing opinion pieces. Are you fucking for real?

Quote from: Darrin Kelley;1051963You obviously have no experience in the media.

For photos and videos, the person whose likeness is being used has to grant their permission in writing. Otherwise, said media outlet isn't legally allowed to use it. That's how it works in the United States.

I used to be a reporter. That's not true in Canada, and I doubt it's true in the U.S. If you're an adult and out in public, I can take your picture and put it any news story I like, so long as it isn't libellous. The only exception is you can't use pictures of people in taken in bars.

Quote from: Darrin Kelley;1051954His opinion was unsolicited.

Legitimate press outlets ask permission before going forward with an article or a video.

And no. I don't consider dirt sheets like the National Enquirer legitimate.

He didn't ask her permission. So it was harassment.

No. That's not what legitimate press does. WTF are you talking about? The press don't ask permission to write articles about people. They might ask for your comment (might), but one principle of journalism is the journalist is in control of what is published, not the person they're writing about. I don't even know where'd you even get that messed up impression of how journalism works.

And by the way I say this as someone who was a reporter for the largest comic news site in the world, and as an attorney who advised several other reporting companies, and I have several journalists for larger newspapers as friends to this day. You don't know what the heck you're talking about.  MOST opinions you see in journalism of any kind is "unsolicited".

Quote from: Darrin Kelley;1051963You obviously have no experience in the media.

For photos and videos, the person whose likeness is being used has to grant their permission in writing

Yes that's because of COPYRIGHT laws, and there is an explicite NEWS EXEMPTION for copyright (and for criticism and for commentary). Regardless, that is not the "opinion" we're talking about. Nobody made a copyright complaint about Jeremy Hambly the complaint is about his OPINION which has nothing to do with pictures of the cosplayer or video of the cosplayer.

QuoteOtherwise, said media outlet isn't legally allowed to use it. That's how it works in the United States.

Fair use in the United States includes all of: commentary, search engines, criticism, parody, news reporting, research, and scholarship.

As an attorney, stfu about the law if you don't know what you're talking about.

Quote from: Darrin Kelley;1051963You obviously have no experience in the media.

For photos and videos, the person whose likeness is being used has to grant their permission in writing. Otherwise, said media outlet isn't legally allowed to use it. That's how it works in the United States.

And yes. Hambly is considered an independant journalist by the very existance of his channel on Youtube.

Legally, the copyright of a photograph is owned by the photographer - and as long as the subject is in public, they are legally allowed to take pictures. Paparazzi are annoying and often unethical, but not inherently illegal.  Television stations and newspapers often ask for permission to print pictures in order to preserve their reputation as being trustworthy to subjects in the future. However, they can legally run pictures without permission.

Taking too many pictures or intruding into private spaces to take pictures can be harassment, but there are a lot of factors that go into that.

Quote from: Darrin Kelley;1051954His opinion was unsolicited.

Legitimate press outlets ask permission before going forward with an article or a video.

And no. I don't consider dirt sheets like the National Enquirer legitimate.

He didn't ask her permission. So it was harassment.

Quote from: tenbones;1051810What you're really acknowledging, AsenRG, is that people, empirically, are composed of a ginormous segment that happen to be idiots. They are the largest tribe on earth.

For some values of "idiots", I agree.
But where does that leave gamers:D?

Quote from: Lynn;1051820The law though is the moral expression of the voting public, so it is condemned by the voting public. The fact of life is that some people are either criminal, lack impulse control or think the consequences do not apply to them (or collectively, TenBone's 'idiots').

That is also why many USA states have 'stand your ground' laws and their jails accumulate the above. And that's okay.

Yeah, right, and that's also part of reality.

Quote from: Spinachcat;1051900I understand. There's the law of the court and the law of the streets.

Yes, that:). I'm glad at least someone understood it.

Quote from: Omega;1051854The fact GenCon is promoting a designer who walked off with 15 grand of backers money is nearly more onerous than the offsite attack. This is up there with Origins nominating or giving Zwiehander an award recently.

And WTF is the problem with Zweihander getting Ennies;)?

Quote from: Cave Bear;1051932What do we make of the fact that heterosexual, non-sjw men also cosplay?

Well, with that fact, some boiling water and a paper and 0,40 EU I could make a cup of tea;).
Which actually sounds like a good idea.

Quote from: Darrin Kelley;1051954His opinion was unsolicited.

Legitimate press outlets ask permission before going forward with an article or a video.

And no. I don't consider dirt sheets like the National Enquirer legitimate.

He didn't ask her permission. So it was harassment.

Investigative journalism would not exist if the authors had to ask permission from whomever they're exposing.
If they're professionals, they'll ask for explanations / comments (i.e. give the "accused" a chance to defend) before going to press. But they will still publish.

Quote from: ArrozConLeche;1051921What a shit show. I'm not surprised there is some overlap between RPGNet assholes and people on that thread:

https://boardgamegeek.com/article/29710194#29710194
https://forum.rpg.net/showthread.php?832315-opinion-on-weird-request&p=22043786#post22043786

Jesus its up to 20+ pages now. And yeah that poster is on my ignore list as hes done alot of nasty stuff and then gets awarded. Note that little post garnered him 33 likes and 10gg for regurgitating the same dam nigh cut-n-paste rhetoric. But then this is BGG where using a racial slur to refer to a type of board game is ok. But using the word Hysterical is misogynist.

Then theres this little bit from someone else a few pages over. Which drags RPGs into the conversation.

QuoteGame conventions have effectively always been war zones for women.

Now that a man is alleged to have been attacked the question is raised of whether to leave the women and children behind?

As for gaming being a place we leave gender, race, creed etc behind, that has not been my observation or experience. 30 years ago in chess club it was a question of female interlopers being told by the boys that girls couldn't play chess. And for newcomers to the club, they often weren't very good, at least yet - proof, am I right? And no organizer / supervisor spoke up.

Present day dungeons and dragons campaigns, female players who bring female characters have their characters hit on and harassed by male characters brought my male players (even if that behaviour doesn't move outside the game). And the (presumably male) dungeon master and other players don't speak up.

Kingmaking is done quite literally by male players in competitions blatantly enough at times that they are caught - no I won't google it for you, sorry.

Quote from: jeff37923;1051955Your opinion is also unsolicited. STOP HARASSING US!

Damn right! Pundit! Ban all these harassers!

Quote from: AsenRG;1051976For some values of "idiots", I agree.
But where does that leave gamers:D?.

You know? That's a much deeper question than the surface glance might imply. (or maybe it's just my biased view).

I was never the "nerd" in school but I did all the hardcore nerd stuff on my own away from the "cool kids" D&D among them. My D&D group was comprised of non-nerds I converted to play D&D so my experience with "gaming community" in the late 70's/early 80's was limited (mostly to protecting them from people picking on them. But play with them? Negative Ghostrider.) It wasn't until I left high-school and started running games at Con's where I really got exposed to the larger gaming populace and the insular weirdness of it all.

My current opinion is that it's the insular nerdzerkers now pretending in their own minds that their hobbies have gone mainstream have gone to their fucking heads. In a *bazillion* years I'd never have imagined some wannabe tatted up gaming-gangster would take themselves so seriously as to roll up on someone and physically attack them. Now those idiots have some secular religion that they have become True Believers(tm) in and act accordingly.

These are people that don't really understand real-life violence pretending they do. I don't hold Quartering to blame at all - I'm merely pointing out his attacker, if he keeps that shit up, he'll try it with the wrong person and hard lessons will be learned.

So - yeah. The sub-divisions of the Idiot Tribe are alive and well in our hobby.

Quote from: Luca;1051978Investigative journalism would not exist if the authors had to ask permission from whomever they're exposing.
If they're professionals, they'll ask for explanations / comments (i.e. give the "accused" a chance to defend) before going to press. But they will still publish.

"Excuse me President Nixon but this man calling himself Deep Throat and claiming to be an FBI insider has approached me about some potentially criminal activity you and your administration have been involved in.  Would you kindly give me permission to investigate these claims and publish my findings?  Pretty please with sugar on top?"

Well, I learned something today.  Previously, I did not think it possible for someone to make a statement that would come anywhere near that close to unifying the responses here.  Though Ratman's gif was my favorite.