I'm not starting threads here right now. However this sort of basketweaver support thread isn't the sort of thing that I can just overlook.

If Sarc didn't want this thread he shouldn't have started this thread he should know better. I'd recomend you guys try really hard not to make this particular thread also a class balance thread because it's not going to go well for you.

Quote from: Lord Mistborn;585428I'm not starting threads here right now. However this sort of basketweaver support thread isn't the sort of thing that I can just overlook.

Why? There are basketweaver support threads all over the gaming internet dude, RPGnet, SA, ENworld... you name it. Why do you feel particularly involved when this comes up here, a place you "quit forever" a few weeks ago?

Quote from: Benoist;585429Why? There are basketweaver support threads all over the gaming internet dude, RPGnet, SA, ENworld... you name it. Why do you feel particularly involved when this comes up here, a place you "quit forever" a few weeks ago?

Someone is wrong on the internet.

On a serious note, I'm surprised and slightly impressed you recognized that term.

That said...

Good groups vs bad groups is a far more interesting discussion than dumbass parties that compete with themselves instead of their opposition so I'm tempted to just go with that.

So what is a good group? A good group is a group where everyone knows what to do and does it well. Perhaps more importantly, they know what not to do. This involves many different things. In D&D (all editions) the starting point is to never bring a thief/rogue in the party and avoid the Fighter class (other melee classes can potentially be good), manage your resources well and don't waste them, and have what you need to succeed (as a group where no one has a stat over 13, or very few magic items simply is not going to get very far).

For earlier editions you also want large numbers of disposable minions to deal with the various fuck yous the game will throw at you in your place, and for the later editions you will want a set of immunities to block a different set of fuck yous.

Quote from: Lord Mistborn;585428I'd recomend you guys try really hard not to make this particular thread also a class balance thread because it's not going to go well for you.

Oh, shit...this is gonna get serious.

Quote from: KenHR;585438Oh, shit...this is gonna get serious.

If you don't want Lord Mistborn in your forum don't make Lord Mistborn threads. I had assumed that if I left this place would go back to mostly harmless grognard circlejerking, I should have know better. GC is my superior at this sort of thing so I'm mostly here to watch the fireworks.

Quote from: Lord Mistborn;585449If you don't want Lord Mistborn in your forum don't make Lord Mistborn threads. I had assumed that if I left this place would go back to mostly harmless grognard circlejerking, I should have know better. GC is my superior at this sort of thing so I'm mostly here to watch the fireworks.

LM, you were the one who "quit" the forum in a dramatic "I am out of here" post. You have been more than welcome to continue posting. Some of the posters may have a negative opinion of you, but no one is terribly concerned about a "lord mistborn thread", whatever that is.

Quote from: BedrockBrendan;585452LM, you were the one who "quit" the forum in a dramatic "I am out of here" post. You have been more than welcome to continue posting. Some of the posters may have a negative opinion of you, but no one is terribly concerned about a "lord mistborn thread", whatever that is.

After all the threads I had been posting in were locked I assumed that people didn't want my threads, and the mature thing to do would be to stop starting new threads.

Sarc. must have really wanted me back though, as I highly enjoy these threads especially now that GC has joined the conversation.

Quote from: Lord Mistborn;585460Sarc. must have really wanted me back though, as I highly enjoy these threads especially now that GC has joined the conversation.

Despite your best efforts to make it so or to pretend it is so, this thread is not about class balance.

This thread is about players being dicks who care more about themselves "winning" and less about being part of your circle of friends having fun, and using loopholes or exploits as an excuse to be a dick.

:rolleyes:

Personally, I feel it's pretty funny that when I said this:

Quote from: Sacrosanct;585408I don't think it's a feature of magic to make someone feel like they have to "beat" other characters during challenges and that everyone else should center their lives around him.

I think that's a person feature.

The class (ranger or paladin in 1e, psionist in 2e, and wizard in 3e) is just a tool that the players uses as an excuse to be a dick.  

"I'm not being a dick, I'm just playing my class the way it was designed.  Not my fault you all chose to play worthless classes."

We have people in this thread who pretty much just said the last sentence.

the good news is at least we identified who are the dicks.

Personally I think it's pretty funny that calling worthless classes worthless makes you a dick. If someone plays a worthless class, and they know it's bad, you've told them it's bad, and they do it anyways there is a dick involved but it's not you.

There's also an entire barrel of them your character will be busy sucking on for the rest of their very short life.

Quote from: Lord Mistborn;585460After all the threads I had been posting in were locked I assumed that people that people didn't want my threads, and the mature thing to do would be to stop starting new threads.

No, the "mature" thing to do is stop acting like a clueless douchebag.  I suspect it isn't and act, however, so the next best thing is just to shut the fuck up.

Quote from: Mr. GC;585475Personally I think it's pretty funny that calling worthless classes worthless makes you a dick. If someone plays a worthless class, and they know it's bad, you've told them it's bad, and they do it anyways there is a dick involved but it's not you.

There's also an entire barrel of them your character will be busy sucking on for the rest of their very short life.

There are no worthless classes, just worthless players.

Quote from: Lord Mistborn;585449If you don't want Lord Mistborn in your forum don't make Lord Mistborn threads. I had assumed that if I left this place would go back to mostly harmless grognard circlejerking, I should have know better. GC is my superior at this sort of thing so I'm mostly here to watch the fireworks.

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