Quote from: Mr. GC;586558TheRPGsite = gimp posters. True story.

I could have told you that.

So they post like gimps I'd like to see them die like gimps. You guys are supposed to be all about actuall play. Well then stat up some characters and see if you can beat GC's scenario.

Heck I'll run a scenario myself if that's what needs to happen. Come on people I want to see some blood.

and who names themselves after a gas chromatograph anyway?

I'm definately seeing a spike in the bullshit range of around 10000 ppm, and also a small bump in the alpha male range of around 1 ppm. I think we also need to run a calibration sample for attention deficit trollitis as the cylinder is showing distinct discolouration in the fruit loop.

Quote from: Mr. GC;586562Nah. What's fundamentally flawed is people doing shit like this:

Because flinging around lame insults like calling people "gimp" is "making a meaningful point" apparently.

QuoteWhere they either sperg out or make a very obvious troll

It's easy to spot obvious trolls. They say things like this:

QuoteTheRPGsite = gimp posters. True story.

QuoteNow you can join them, but before you do you should know you are joining them in a fire.

Uh-huh. Serious question: how old are you? I want to know if I should cut you some slack for your age or not, or just mock you ruthlessly.

Quote from: Lord Mistborn;586563I could have told you that.

So they post like gimps I'd like to see them die like gimps. You guys are supposed to be all about actuall play. Well then stat up some characters and see if you can beat GC's scenario.

Heck I'll run a scenario myself if that's what needs to happen. Come on people I want to see some blood.

I'd like to see that as well. But actual play fucking terrifies them, which is why stuff like an ice wall being cast somewhere close by causes entire parties to commit suicide. This is also why they're so reluctant to address this point unless they can sperg about something irrelevant.

Oh and for those of you wondering... This forum is notorious for using autistic as an insult. 90% of people that do that are autistic themselves. As soon as it became clear they fit the profile...

Quote from: Lord Mistborn;586563Well then stat up some characters and see if you can beat GC's scenario.

Only if we see if you and GC can beat my scenario first. If you can't then you have to shut up about what "good players" do.

Hint: you won't beat my scenario.

Quote from: Lord Mistborn;586563I could have told you that.

So they post like gimps I'd like to see them die like gimps. You guys are supposed to be all about actuall play. Well then stat up some characters and see if you can beat GC's scenario.

Heck I'll run a scenario myself if that's what needs to happen. Come on people I want to see some blood.

On what planet were you on when i told you last time this isn't going to fly?

Closed.

Don't try to disrupt this forum again.

Quote from: Benoist;586370Hm. I just checked Haste in the 1st ed PH. It doesn't mention the System Shock roll but does mention the use of the spell "ages the recipient due to speeded metabolic processes." When you look at the System Shock Survival (under the Constitution description), it clearly states that "[SSS] states the percentage chance the character has of surviving the following forms of magical attacks (or simple application of the magic): aging, petrification (including flesh to stone spell), ..."

It does specify 'attacks', which may be a bit pedantic, but I think they made the distinction for a reason.  I think the intent is for the spell to be useful for the party, not a potential liability.  'Simple application of the magic' certainly indicates any usage, but I think that is a bit harsh.  For instance, they didn't specify stone to flesh.  Should that be included (spell description says 'yes')?  I dunno, adding in the chance for death un-petrifying someone sounds like kind of a dick move, since they probably had to make the roll when they were petrified to begin with.  Same with resurrection, in my book.  Dock the point of Con and call it a day.

Think of it this way; people who work around radiation or certain chemicals have a life-time dosage, in addition to one time exposures.  So a bunch of small dose exposures can put you over the limit just like a single massive exposure.  In both cases, sorry Joe, find a new job.

Haste is kind of like that.  For the sake of argument, let's say it takes an average of a year to level up to tenth level, then it slows down again.  So, about ten years of adventuring to make 10th level, if you start your human character at 20yrs (for ease of calculation), they will be 30 when you hit 10th level.  Injudicious use of, say, 20 haste spells in that time means they are actually 50 (in fact, it would only take 11, as the lower boundary of 'Middle Aged' is 41).  That's a point of Strength and a point of Con, no save, no restoring.  Granted, keeping track of age and its effects weren't always top priorities, but it is a pretty good brake on haphazard use.

It's absolutely a preference call, and there is no 'right' answer.  But I  think I would probably limit system shock rolls to just attacks, and  even then drop a point of Con if they fail.  There are enough  save-or-die effects already, or so I have heard.  

QuoteI'd say that, strictly by RAW, you are supposed to make people roll System Shock when they are targeted by Haste, since not only forms of attack, but the mere applications of magical effects that create these conditions, trigger it.

Also a reasonable interpretation.  I wouldn't do things that way, but I don't think it makes someone a bad DM if they do, as long as they were upfront about it.

QuoteNow I must also precise that it would make sense to Haste individuals that would have the highest Constitution score in the party... which likely will be the fighter. (cough, cough). Let's also note that past 14 in Constitution you have 90+% chance of Survival, as well, and that a 10 Constitution lands you a 70% chance of Survival, comparatively.

In that situation, you definitely don't want to be tossing the spell around on the Thief or Magic User; the high Con character is the best plan there.  And like you mention, it doesn't even have to be that high of a Con.