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I have been reading a thread over at RPG.Net where people were posting their thoughts about the new Masters of the Universe Revelation on Netflix Kevin Smith series and of course, the SJW shills over there were creaming themselves to heap accolades upon it.  Here is an example: https://ibb.co/X4D97Br (https://ibb.co/X4D97Br)

There were a few that did not like it and for that, they had to be punished.

This poor guy got a 1 day ban for truthfully complaining about how the show replaced the men with women and made men look incompetent compared to the women: https://ibb.co/B4CCfQs (https://ibb.co/B4CCfQs)

Nevander received a warning from the Moderator NAZIs for being too negative in his dislike of this trash: https://ibb.co/dgMHtZh (https://ibb.co/dgMHtZh)

The Mod NAZI literally said he was being too negative and that this was not the first thread where he had done that before.  I know Nevander and he has NEVER posted anywhere on RPG.Net in a negative fashion about disliking something the way he did in this thread and has had a spotless record at the forum up till now.  When he questioned the mod about this they then banned him till July 30th. because opinions that differ from the assclown mod NAZIs over there are a no-no and apparently it is a crime to ask why you are being punished for simply stating your dislike of something.  https://ibb.co/NyLrdWx (https://ibb.co/NyLrdWx)

It is hilarious to me that this mod NAZI literally has the description of 'His Honorable Tyranny' in his use info: https://ibb.co/HgL2QhW (https://ibb.co/HgL2QhW)

The honorable part is definitely not applicable to this scum bucket but the tyranny part certainly applies.

Why are you discussing this on theRPGsite?

RPG.Net have this strange culture about some shows or movies being automatically good not for the writing, acting or production values but the message (i.e politics) it transmits. Every show or movie must have representation and diversity whether it makes sense or not and if it doesnt (because it wants to take place during a historical era where that kind of diversity didnt exist) it is criticized.

Mods, please feel free to delete this thread.  There probably isn't a lot of interest in what is going on over there in regard to this.  It will no longer allow me to do so.

Quote from: Batjon on July 28, 2021, 02:56:22 AM
I have been reading a thread over at RPG.Net where people were posting their thoughts about the new Masters of the Universe Revelation on Netflix Kevin Smith series and of course, the SJW shills over there were creaming themselves to heap accolades upon it.

This is nothing new. It is "female-centric" and "progressive". 95% on Rotten Tomatoes from the critics was a given. The 35% score from the audience is just a fluke caused by sparse toxic fans, I guess.

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Here is an example: https://ibb.co/X4D97Br (https://ibb.co/X4D97Br)

Please, let Mark Hamill alone. He is one of the greatest voice-actors ever (he was even great in "The Last Jedi", where he played a part he strongly disagreed with). Also, given how dubbing is very often organised, it is quite possible that Hamill and others weren't aware of the direness of MOTU: they give you the context of the scene you are in and directions about how to perform. Seldom a voice-actor knows the plot of the show he is working for.

The problem with the new MOTU is that Kevin Smith flatly lied about it. I never watched the original, even if it was targeted on my age group (I always hated He-Man don't ask me why: I just do), and I only had a moderate curiosity about the new one. A few months ago some leaks revealed that He-Man (the character) would have been anything but and that the new show would have been strongly female-centric.

I have no problems with kick-ass female heroines. The problem is that Kevin Smith openly denied these rumors. He-Man was He-Man! - end of the story.

So, even people who were neutral about the matter felt lied to. Some even said "I do like Teela, just do a spin-off."

But, from what I read and saw, the truth of the matter is that the show is just bad: badly written with unsympathetic characters. And here we have the usual curse. No, not "Get woke, go broke" but "Get woke, produce trash, blame the toxic fans".

I could even watch it. In my line of work it is part of the job and one can learn a lot from a  failure.

Quote from: 1989 on July 28, 2021, 03:09:48 AM
Why are you discussing this on theRPGsite?

We normally discuss RPG.net fiascoes about pop culture here. Wokeism is not limited to RPGs, and what you can see and learn about Orwellian moderation on a different topic can be useful to understand the hows and whys of the next RPG failure.

If you feel the need to dissect the latest idiocy at TBP, may I suggest taking it over to the new thread I started in RPGPundit's Forum (where all the political raging is going on)? It helps sidestep the issue of 'deviating from RPGs into pure social/political arguments'.

Quote from: Ghostmaker on July 28, 2021, 08:16:05 AM
If you feel the need to dissect the latest idiocy at TBP, may I suggest taking it over to the new thread I started in RPGPundit's Forum (where all the political raging is going on)? It helps sidestep the issue of 'deviating from RPGs into pure social/political arguments'.

This is not political - except for references to the woke culture, which are endemic. Not looking at pop culture as an integrated environment through which movements like Wokeism express themselves would be a serious error. Be assured that in this MOTU fiasco you find the seeds that explain a RPG fiasco or will explain the next one. Not to mention how moderation over there follows the same ideology no matter what the nature of what is being moderated is.

Either pop culture and its content creators are under attack as a whole or they aren't. Let's not forget how during the "Satanic D&D panic", movies and comic books too were targeted by the same regressive forces - with hearings in the US Senate and other sad episodes. If one wants to push back, even in a specific field, it is important to b e aware of what is happening everywhere.

I guess that on TBP I would now be banned for a "Press Conference" post  ;D

   The funny thing to me is, people are upset Kevin Smith "lied" about what He-man was going to be on Netflix..the home of cuties and many other questionable products.  Anyone who thought netflix was going to allow the main focus of a show to be a massively muscled Blonde haired magical superhero is simply avoiding reality.

    That said, I was never a he-man fan as a kid, I watched it as almost all the kids I knew did, because it came on after school  and you had to get through it to get to the shows you preferred.  I knew the instant I heard Smith was making a "sequel" that there would be all sorts of current year bullshit crammed into it, but didn't care as I was not a fan.   Now, I might get hackles up for what ever Netflix does to Conan, but I cancelled Netflix over a year ago, so again, not a customer.  The old saying, once someone tells you who they really are, believe them, is very relevant here.  Stop giving scorpions a ride across the river IMO.

I didn't like Teela's voice at all. It didn't fit her heavily muscled look at all. Beyond that, she was so self-centered in some parts that I didn't really like her character much.

I also didn't see any good reason Adam became younger and way less built (from a well-muscled young adult to a wimpy adolescent).

They did give Duncan (Man-at-Arms) some positive attention...and they didn't even kill him off (unlike Orko).

Quote from: HappyDaze on July 28, 2021, 09:02:28 AM
I didn't like Teela's voice at all. It didn't fit her heavily muscled look at all. Beyond that, she was so self-centered in some parts that I didn't really like her character much.

I also didn't see any good reason Adam became younger and way less built (from a well-muscled young adult to a wimpy adolescent).

They did give Duncan (Man-at-Arms) some positive attention...and they didn't even kill him off (unlike Orko).

Agreed, and I only watched the first two episodes. I'm not going to finish as it's not . . . entertaining. The things stupidwood decide are entertaining aren't. There's a reason why the all female Ghostbuster's movie sucked, there's a reason why the last three Star Wars movies sucked. But, oh well.

Discussion at rpg.net has for some years now been like being gay and having Sunday afternoon tea with your boyfriend's very conservative old grandmother who is very sensitive and doesn't know there is such a thing as homosexuality outside the condemnatory passages in the bible and some nasty French artists. You might hold the teacup wrong and incur her wrath and sneering disgust, and will never be invited around for macaroons again.

It's all rather depressing and nerve-wracking, the conversation is stilted and dull, and you are better off spending the afternoon having a picnic with wine and a vigorous shag with your boyfriend instead, and simply send the old biddie a Christmas card some time.

Yeah why the hell does anyone actually visit rpg.net when there are thousands of websites that all do the same thing but better. I've thought about creating dummy accounts on rpg.net just to troll the shit out of them because its funny but other than that....

Lots of Yootoob discussion from some of the bigger channels about it if anyone wants to delve further.  Like everything else these days  complaints about a property
getting a socio-political re-vamp, Woke, etc.

I never watched it when it was a thing, I was at that age where "cartoons are for kids".

Thundaar was probably the last cartoon series like that I watched, BITD.

What's really chapping people's asses about MOTU:R is how Kevin Smith fuckin' lied through his teeth about it. And not in the 'I'm trying to avoid spoiling shit' way, either.

And the fact that Teela comes off as an unlikable bitch who people would only follow out of morbid curiousity. And the unusually high body count (who is this cartoon made for, again?).

If it was rolled out as a spinoff, character-centric series (MOTU: Teela?), it wouldn't have hacked off so many people. But once again, if you fuckin' LIE about your media and the truth comes out, expect people to get kinda pissed.

Quote from: Ghostmaker on July 28, 2021, 08:16:05 AM
If you feel the need to dissect the latest idiocy at TBP, may I suggest taking it over to the new thread I started in RPGPundit's Forum (where all the political raging is going on)? It helps sidestep the issue of 'deviating from RPGs into pure social/political arguments'.

After I started this thread I went to delete it and had no option to do so.  I even reported it to the mods and invited them to delete it, but it is still here.

Quote from: Batjon on July 28, 2021, 02:56:22 AM
I have been reading a thread over at RPG.Net where people were posting their thoughts about the new Masters of the Universe Revelation on Netflix Kevin Smith series and of course, the SJW shills over there were creaming themselves to heap accolades upon it.  Here is an example: https://ibb.co/X4D97Br (https://ibb.co/X4D97Br)

There were a few that did not like it and for that, they had to be punished.

This poor guy got a 1 day ban for truthfully complaining about how the show replaced the men with women and made men look incompetent compared to the women: https://ibb.co/B4CCfQs (https://ibb.co/B4CCfQs)

Nevander received a warning from the Moderator NAZIs for being too negative in his dislike of this trash: https://ibb.co/dgMHtZh (https://ibb.co/dgMHtZh)

The Mod NAZI literally said he was being too negative and that this was not the first thread where he had done that before.  I know Nevander and he has NEVER posted anywhere on RPG.Net in a negative fashion about disliking something the way he did in this thread and has had a spotless record at the forum up till now.  When he questioned the mod about this they then banned him till July 30th. because opinions that differ from the assclown mod NAZIs over there are a no-no and apparently it is a crime to ask why you are being punished for simply stating your dislike of something.  https://ibb.co/NyLrdWx (https://ibb.co/NyLrdWx)

It is hilarious to me that this mod NAZI literally has the description of 'His Honorable Tyranny' in his use info: https://ibb.co/HgL2QhW (https://ibb.co/HgL2QhW)

The honorable part is definitely not applicable to this scum bucket but the tyranny part certainly applies.

Same fuckers were crying to the high heavens before it came out because they wanted a new season of She-Ra. And He-Man was for Teh Misogynerds.

Now that it turned to be She-Maam and the Wokesters of the Universities they are creaming their pants about it. Of course the loonies are such a small fraction of the population it will tank.

I've been wanting to post about this, hesitated because Netflix crapping on IP's is a dead horse.
But as long as we're getting the sticks out...

I haven't watched the show. I'd be interested in a new MOTU series. I really liked the 2002 reboot. But I've avoided this due to the reviews. If it's half as bad as they say, then I'd only be interested in watching it to have context for complaining. Why bother?

One argument I've seen made is that they ironically ruined Teela by making her a bitchy whiner.

Quote from: Ratman_tf on July 28, 2021, 02:00:36 PM
I've been wanting to post about this, hesitated because Netflix crapping on IP's is a dead horse.
But as long as we're getting the sticks out...

I haven't watched the show. I'd be interested in a new MOTU series. I really liked the 2002 reboot. But I've avoided this due to the reviews. If it's half as bad as they say, then I'd only be interested in watching it to have context for complaining. Why bother?

One argument I've seen made is that they ironically ruined Teela by making her a bitchy whiner.

Well, she tells prince Adam that yes he died but the rest had to live with his death.

Also bitches and whines to King Randor and Queen Marlena about her fee fees being hurt... Right after He-Man dies...

Quote from: Ghostmaker on July 28, 2021, 10:13:14 AM
What's really chapping people's asses about MOTU:R is how Kevin Smith fuckin' lied through his teeth about it. And not in the 'I'm trying to avoid spoiling shit' way, either.

And the fact that Teela comes off as an unlikable bitch who people would only follow out of morbid curiousity. And the unusually high body count (who is this cartoon made for, again?).

Killing off characters is so frikkin lame. It's good when done well as part of the story, but it's become a drama crutch. For a show based on a toy franchise, it's doubly stupid because the next film/series will just reboot the characters back to life because status quo wins with a toy line.

Quote from: GeekyBugle on July 28, 2021, 02:04:31 PM

Quote from: Ratman_tf on July 28, 2021, 02:00:36 PM
I've been wanting to post about this, hesitated because Netflix crapping on IP's is a dead horse.
But as long as we're getting the sticks out...

I haven't watched the show. I'd be interested in a new MOTU series. I really liked the 2002 reboot. But I've avoided this due to the reviews. If it's half as bad as they say, then I'd only be interested in watching it to have context for complaining. Why bother?

One argument I've seen made is that they ironically ruined Teela by making her a bitchy whiner.

Well, she tells prince Adam that yes he died but the rest had to live with his death.

Also bitches and whines to King Randor and Queen Marlena about her fee fees being hurt... Right after He-Man dies...

Someone in the writer's pen needs to point out that complaining is not character development. :D

I guess fridging a character is totally ok when its a male character.

Quote from: Wntrlnd on July 28, 2021, 03:09:39 PM
I guess fridging a character is totally ok when its a male character.

Insert "It always was" meme here.

I nearly chocked on my Tea when I heard Evil Lynn say "Bollocks" when her magic failed her.

What kills me is that I have literally no idea who this show was meant ot be aimed at.

Original MotU fans are going to be horrified by the He-Man treatment and the SJW crowd will hate the way that Teela is just trying to get He-Man back to Eternia for the entirety of the series.  It's like she knows that even though she is a complete Mary Sue (her ultimate fear is not of failure it's showing that she is powerful enough to be a Master?????)

Clearly they were looking to get another 5 episodes where He-Man survives /  is ressurrected and ultimately defeats Skeletor.  I wonder if that gets canned when the Rotten Tomatoes score doesn't improve.  Talk about a ratio!!

Quote from: GeekyBugle on July 28, 2021, 01:49:34 PM
Now that it turned to be She-Maam and the Wokesters of the Universities they are creaming their pants about it. Of course the loonies are such a small fraction of the population it will tank.

She-Maam, thats great!

I miss the fat Kevin Smith.

Quote from: tonybro001 on July 28, 2021, 04:33:15 PM
I nearly chocked on my Tea when I heard Evil Lynn say "Bollocks" when her magic failed her.

What kills me is that I have literally no idea who this show was meant ot be aimed at.

Original MotU fans are going to be horrified by the He-Man treatment and the SJW crowd will hate the way that Teela is just trying to get He-Man back to Eternia for the entirety of the series.  It's like she knows that even though she is a complete Mary Sue (her ultimate fear is not of failure it's showing that she is powerful enough to be a Master?????)

Clearly they were looking to get another 5 episodes where He-Man survives /  is ressurrected and ultimately defeats Skeletor.  I wonder if that gets canned when the Rotten Tomatoes score doesn't improve.  Talk about a ratio!!

It's already approved for 5 more episodes. Kevin Smith had been bouncing everything off a bigwig at Netflix, and he loves the show the way it ended up.

I hate to hear that they treated Teela like that. I always saw her as a strong character, though I will admit they did a better job of showing that in the 2002 series. Still, I don't remember a whole lot from He-Man, plotwise. But even after all these years, I still pretty clearly remember the one episode dedicated almost entirely to Teela and Evil Lyn. Teela didn't whine about it. I mean, they both probably said "oh, no" or something at first, as people do when bad things happen; but they didn't wallow and got down to the business of surviving and getting out of that desert. Teela was the one who found the water, FFS, so I credit her with keeping the both of them alive. I know Evil Lyn contributed to the effort, too(probably), but for some reason the scene of Teela kicking the cactus open sticks out while other scenes in the same episode do not. And she was always strong without being horrible to other people - "You were dead? What about my survivors' guilt or whatever? Your son just died? Well, what about my feelings?" Ugh!

And someone said above that they killed off Orko, and nobody's going to comment on that? I believe part of his background is that he used to be super powerful and competent until something separated him from his people and turned him into a comic relief character. If they wanted Orko to be more than comic relief, which I totally understand, he already had the kind of background they could have done a lot with to make him into a more substantial character in his own right. The material was there. How fucking lazy. Just fuck.

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Quote from: tonybro001 on July 28, 2021, 04:33:15 PM
I nearly chocked on my Tea when I heard Evil Lynn say "Bollocks" when her magic failed her.

What kills me is that I have literally no idea who this show was meant ot be aimed at.

Original MotU fans are going to be horrified by the He-Man treatment and the SJW crowd will hate the way that Teela is just trying to get He-Man back to Eternia for the entirety of the series.  It's like she knows that even though she is a complete Mary Sue (her ultimate fear is not of failure it's showing that she is powerful enough to be a Master?????)

Clearly they were looking to get another 5 episodes where He-Man survives /  is ressurrected and ultimately defeats Skeletor.  I wonder if that gets canned when the Rotten Tomatoes score doesn't improve.  Talk about a ratio!!

It's already approved for 5 more episodes. Kevin Smith had been bouncing everything off a bigwig at Netflix, and he loves the show the way it ended up.

  Not a doubt in my mind the same sort of person who greenlights streaming cuties would be giddy with excitement as to how Smith handled He man.   The 5 episodes are in the can and more or less complete, and reality is I am pretty sure Netflix is more than willing to take some "losses" to push their social agendas.   I just hope that queef has no say over the Conan production they do there, perhaps there is some dude locked in the basement that approves the high test stuff they seem to platform (like extraction) who will get to make the calls on that one.

Until people on a much larger scale wisen up to know to boycott garbage like this it will continue to happen over and over again.  The Hollyweird execs are literally so arrogant they think they can destroy all the IPs we love, crap on the fans and call us names publically, and indoctrinate us in their moral superiority and we will mindlessly continue to keep buying their crap anyhow.  So far, they have been correct.

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Quote from: GeekyBugle on July 28, 2021, 01:49:34 PM
Now that it turned to be She-Maam and the Wokesters of the Universities they are creaming their pants about it. Of course the loonies are such a small fraction of the population it will tank.

She-Maam, thats great!

I miss the fat Kevin Smith.

I never "followed" Kevin Smith, but I really liked "Clerks" and "Chasing Amy" back in the day.

I understand the need by some to have "a public figure", but still dressing as a slacker from the '90s when you are over fifty is not healthy IMHO.

One thing I like about Tarantino is that I have no clue about his private life and his political beliefs. He could be gay and living with Tim Roth for what I know. What matters is that he pushes out a good (or at least interesting) movie after good movie (I liked a lot "Inglorious Basterds" and "Once Upon a Time in Hollywood", less "Django Unchained" and "The Hateful Eight"). And a good interview after a good interview. This is the only thing that matters.

Quote from: Batjon on July 28, 2021, 06:39:39 PM
Until people on a much larger scale wisen up to know to boycott garbage like this it will continue to happen over and over again.  The Hollyweird execs are literally so arrogant they think they can destroy all the IPs we love, crap on the fans and call us names publically, and indoctrinate us in their moral superiority and we will mindlessly continue to keep buying their crap anyhow.  So far, they have been correct.

  I do not see it changing.  I have no idea how the economics of hollywood work, but I am sure there is a whole lot of money shuffling more so than pure profit and loss.  I think they can lose money to a point to make stuff that is their vision or whatever they think they want to make, for whatever reasons.   I also really do not know how much control the creatives have, and have had the impression that a great deal of hollywood is art by committee, and people who seem like a big deal can be nobodies with one call or email.   I suspect it is dumbed down as the nation get dumber.  So honestly they might be making the correct call in terms of making themselves money over a long haul (fast and furious movies show me that there is a demand for things I have no interest in).  I think they know some ip's will get hate watched no matter how much they shit on them,   so oh well.

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Quote from: GeekyBugle on July 28, 2021, 01:49:34 PM
Now that it turned to be She-Maam and the Wokesters of the Universities they are creaming their pants about it. Of course the loonies are such a small fraction of the population it will tank.

She-Maam, thats great!

I miss the fat Kevin Smith.

I never "followed" Kevin Smith, but I really liked "Clerks" and "Chasing Amy" back in the day.

I understand the need by some to have "a public figure", but still dressing as a slacker from the '90s when you are over fifty is not healthy IMHO.

One thing I like about Tarantino is that I have no clue about his private life and his political beliefs. He could be gay and living with Tim Roth for what I know. What matters is that he pushes out a good (or at least interesting) movie after good movie (I liked a lot "Inglorious Basterds" and "Once Upon a Time in Hollywood", less "Django Unchained" and "The Hateful Eight"). And a good interview after a good interview. This is the only thing that matters.

  I did see a hilarious theory being pushed out by rageaholic that Kevin is not creatively bankrupt, but is simply starving to death because he has decided just not eating is the best way to not be fat.   I also got a huge chuckle at a guy screeching for people to grow up was wearing his dad's blazer with a ball cap turned around backwards. 

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Quote from: GeekyBugle on July 28, 2021, 01:49:34 PM
Now that it turned to be She-Maam and the Wokesters of the Universities they are creaming their pants about it. Of course the loonies are such a small fraction of the population it will tank.

She-Maam, thats great!

I miss the fat Kevin Smith.

I never "followed" Kevin Smith, but I really liked "Clerks" and "Chasing Amy" back in the day.

I understand the need by some to have "a public figure", but still dressing as a slacker from the '90s when you are over fifty is not healthy IMHO.

One thing I like about Tarantino is that I have no clue about his private life and his political beliefs. He could be gay and living with Tim Roth for what I know. What matters is that he pushes out a good (or at least interesting) movie after good movie (I liked a lot "Inglorious Basterds" and "Once Upon a Time in Hollywood", less "Django Unchained" and "The Hateful Eight"). And a good interview after a good interview. This is the only thing that matters.

  I did see a hilarious theory being pushed out by rageaholic that Kevin is not creatively bankrupt, but is simply starving to death because he has decided just not eating is the best way to not be fat.   I also got a huge chuckle at a guy screeching for people to grow up was wearing his dad's blazer with a ball cap turned around backwards.

George Lucas lost his marbles and got fat. Kevin Smith lost his marbles and went skinny.

What's really amusing/horrible is I watched that Rageaholic video after watching a Chubby Emu video about a woman who put herself in the hospital due to a severe and poorly managed fasting diet.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nQC_GDTNkQQ

Quote from: GeekEclectic on July 28, 2021, 06:36:16 PM
I hate to hear that they treated Teela like that. I always saw her as a strong character, though I will admit they did a better job of showing that in the 2002 series. Still, I don't remember a whole lot from He-Man, plotwise. But even after all these years, I still pretty clearly remember the one episode dedicated almost entirely to Teela and Evil Lyn. Teela didn't whine about it. I mean, they both probably said "oh, no" or something at first, as people do when bad things happen; but they didn't wallow and got down to the business of surviving and getting out of that desert. Teela was the one who found the water, FFS, so I credit her with keeping the both of them alive. I know Evil Lyn contributed to the effort, too(probably), but for some reason the scene of Teela kicking the cactus open sticks out while other scenes in the same episode do not. And she was always strong without being horrible to other people - "You were dead? What about my survivors' guilt or whatever? Your son just died? Well, what about my feelings?" Ugh!

And someone said above that they killed off Orko, and nobody's going to comment on that? I believe part of his background is that he used to be super powerful and competent until something separated him from his people and turned him into a comic relief character. If they wanted Orko to be more than comic relief, which I totally understand, he already had the kind of background they could have done a lot with to make him into a more substantial character in his own right. The material was there. How fucking lazy. Just fuck.

Apparently Smith wanted to make people care about the comic relief character, then kill him off as a sucker punch.

https://youtu.be/KQb8qHMaNoM

The epitome of what I hate about killing characters. It wasn't done for the good of the story, it was done to shock fans. Which makes it not shocking, but stupid and demented.

Honestly I feel like the outrage is kind of counterproductive. We knew this was going to happen, it's inevitable. Things you may have enjoyed when you were younger are brought back as skinsuits to denigrate and humiliate you.

We're better off acknowledging that this is hateful anti-Male propaganda, that it's common and acceptable for billion dollar companies to make money denigrating Whites, Men, and other acceptable-to-hate targets. Denounce and move on.

(Of course, don't give Netflix or Hollywood any money, that should go without saying).

Quote from: Zelen on July 28, 2021, 08:57:08 PM
Honestly I feel like the outrage is kind of counterproductive. We knew this was going to happen, it's inevitable. Things you may have enjoyed when you were younger are brought back as skinsuits to denigrate and humiliate you.

We're better off acknowledging that this is hateful anti-Male propaganda, that it's common and acceptable for billion dollar companies to make money denigrating Whites, Men, and other acceptable-to-hate targets. Denounce and move on.

(Of course, don't give Netflix or Hollywood any money, that should go without saying).

Don't even denounce—that gives them 'toxic fans' and 'manbabies' to rally against. Just ignore it altogether and point people to positive alternatives.

First episode, they lure all the old time fans like myself into thinking He-Man is back. From ep.2 onward ain't worth watching. If that's the course they gonna take for the remake, they might as well let it rest.

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Quote from: Zelen on July 28, 2021, 08:57:08 PM
Honestly I feel like the outrage is kind of counterproductive. We knew this was going to happen, it's inevitable. Things you may have enjoyed when you were younger are brought back as skinsuits to denigrate and humiliate you.

We're better off acknowledging that this is hateful anti-Male propaganda, that it's common and acceptable for billion dollar companies to make money denigrating Whites, Men, and other acceptable-to-hate targets. Denounce and move on.

(Of course, don't give Netflix or Hollywood any money, that should go without saying).

Don't even denounce—that gives them 'toxic fans' and 'manbabies' to rally against. Just ignore it altogether and point people to positive alternatives.

They're going to get the attention anyway. Look at all the fan reaction videos that have popped up in response.

https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=masters+of+the+universe+revelation

You don't even have to put in a filter. The outrage videos start with the second entry.

It's interesting that people on both sides don't want to mention what's truly going on.

Heroic stuff is a male endeavour, period.
A show where a butch Teela, her black gf (of course she's a tech whiz because Blacks are really good with technology if racists would only allow them to try) and strong, independant Evilyn is one more degenerate girl power show.
All of them have comically muscular arms. All of them talk, act and react like women pretending to be men.

Nobody wants that. The toys will gather dust. Children who are not brainwashed will want to watch gender appropriate stuff.

SJWs won't like you because you painstakingly lay out how you are not racist or misogynist for not liking the reboot.

Quote from: Batjon on July 28, 2021, 06:39:39 PM
Until people on a much larger scale wisen up to know to boycott garbage like this it will continue to happen over and over again.  The Hollyweird execs are literally so arrogant they think they can destroy all the IPs we love, crap on the fans and call us names publically, and indoctrinate us in their moral superiority and we will mindlessly continue to keep buying their crap anyhow.  So far, they have been correct.

Uhm...no. Check "Star Wars"' toy sales after "The Last Jedi". Check them again after "The Mandalorian".

QuoteHeroic stuff is a male endeavour, period.

That was not true in popculture for a long long time, at least not as iron rule. The rest... yeah of course comical butchiness won't sell well.

Quote from: strcondex18cha3 on August 01, 2021, 05:49:02 AM

Heroic stuff is a male endeavour, period.

Incorrect. The problem is that the current year writers and creators are flat fucking incompetent at telling this kind of tale.

They've forgotten everything about storytelling (I guess it was just too problematic).

Quote from: strcondex18cha3 on August 01, 2021, 05:49:02 AM
It's interesting that people on both sides don't want to mention what's truly going on.

Heroic stuff is a male endeavour, period.
A show where a butch Teela, her black gf (of course she's a tech whiz because Blacks are really good with technology if racists would only allow them to try) and strong, independant Evilyn is one more degenerate girl power show.
All of them have comically muscular arms. All of them talk, act and react like women pretending to be men.

Nobody wants that. The toys will gather dust. Children who are not brainwashed will want to watch gender appropriate stuff.

SJWs won't like you because you painstakingly lay out how you are not racist or misogynist for not liking the reboot.

Please explain then the success of Wonder Woman in TV in the 70's and her continual existence as a comic  book.

Please explain then the success of Lara Croft, Alien/Aliens, Terminator and countless others.

Quote from: Ghostmaker on August 01, 2021, 01:57:28 PM

Quote from: strcondex18cha3 on August 01, 2021, 05:49:02 AM

Heroic stuff is a male endeavour, period.

Incorrect. The problem is that the current year writers and creators are flat fucking incompetent at telling this kind of tale.

They've forgotten everything about storytelling (I guess it was just too problematic).

Correct, the Hero's Journey doesn't neccesitate a Male Protagonist, just a well written one and a well written tale.

Quote from: GeekyBugle on August 01, 2021, 02:27:57 PM

Quote from: Ghostmaker on August 01, 2021, 01:57:28 PM

Quote from: strcondex18cha3 on August 01, 2021, 05:49:02 AM

Heroic stuff is a male endeavour, period.

Incorrect. The problem is that the current year writers and creators are flat fucking incompetent at telling this kind of tale.

They've forgotten everything about storytelling (I guess it was just too problematic).

Correct, the Hero's Journey doesn't neccesitate a Male Protagonist, just a well written one and a well written tale.

While I agree with you and GeekyBugle, I will say that strdex###s does have a point, in that defining heroism as a series of physical endeavors (as was often the case in literature and myth) is primarily a male pursuit.  Despite the handful of cherry-picked historical cases that get worn thin by the modern woke crowd, the physical differences between men and women generally preclude women from legendary feats of combat or strength.  Hell, just yesterday I was watching TV with my wife and she commented after a commercial for "powerful woman beats up a dozen muscular 200# badasses movie part 17" that she was sick and tired of all these movies and TV shows presenting 120# waifs as if they can plow through a squad of Navy Seals, no problem.  My wife is a former college athlete, and even she knows that men are inherently advantaged in things like strength, muscle-mass, and physical pursuits.  So, depending on how you define "heroics", he's not totally wrong...

Quote from: Ghostmaker on August 01, 2021, 01:57:28 PM

Quote from: strcondex18cha3 on August 01, 2021, 05:49:02 AM

Heroic stuff is a male endeavour, period.

Incorrect. The problem is that the current year writers and creators are flat fucking incompetent at telling this kind of tale.

They've forgotten everything about storytelling (I guess it was just too problematic).

I think that they fear "The Custodians of Pop Culture"'s rage when they tackle a famous franchise, or something under the limelight. I see a lot of good things coming out today which are good because the authors could work peacefully.

"A Quiet Place 2" is very tense and masterfully shot. It has two female characters front and center doing heroic stuff (and actually a deaf girl as the true protagonist). So what? If anything, it proves that today you can have strong females in your story without lecturing. You also get Cillian Murphy's character: a man that it is obviously scared and on the verge of a breakdown but that, lo!, is up to the task when thing get dire.

"Hereditary", "The VVitch" and "Midsommar" were all very well made and creative. Ironically, it is chilling to read people cheering for how "Midsommar" ends. I won't spoil, but it is a proof that, today, cult-like, cancelling-to-the-extreme ideas are deliriously embraced (to be clear, the ending of "Midsommar" is one of the bleakest in recent times).

Then, in another genre, THE MCU!, "Black Widow" arrives - and, bizarrely, in the propaganda they try to retcon how "This time it is woke! Black Widow is no more oversexualised!" Uhu? Black Widow was never "oversexualised". She was a spy who used sex around foolish men, but that always was in total control. She was not perfect. She got beaten. She suffered and learned. This is why she was so beloved by the public.

But Disney waves their hands and says "Now it is woke! Now it is woke!" And pushes out a movie which is not even woke (except for the fact that all men are stupid buffoons) but full of objective problems so serious that they should have been tackled back during the scripwriting process; and that at the end flopped brutally (no, the pandemic is not responsible, not when "Godzilla vs. Kong" made two-three times the money months ago).

If they were thinking "The movie is bad, but it will sell because we sell it as woke!"... well, it never ended that way. Interesting, however, how the unmolested "A Quiet Place 2" and "Godzilla vs. Kong" did very well.

Good creatives don't go away. Good creatives capable to create involving adventures and truly meaningful movies always exist. They simply work where they find space.

Quote from: GeekyBugle on August 01, 2021, 02:27:57 PM

Quote from: Ghostmaker on August 01, 2021, 01:57:28 PM

Quote from: strcondex18cha3 on August 01, 2021, 05:49:02 AM

Heroic stuff is a male endeavour, period.

Incorrect. The problem is that the current year writers and creators are flat fucking incompetent at telling this kind of tale.

They've forgotten everything about storytelling (I guess it was just too problematic).

Correct, the Hero's Journey doesn't neccesitate a Male Protagonist, just a well written one and a well written tale.

You are laughably wrong.
Women can't fight. No female soldiery in history.
They cannot be heroes by definition because we sacrifice our lives for them.
Males work well in warbands, forming their own hierarchy on the fly if necessary. Women are incapable of doing so because they don't need that: in the end, they get the winner.

As long as you are cucking this hard, the left will win because you empower them by implicating they are still on to something.
Our tolerance for a theoretical outlier became a trojan horse.

Quote from: strcondex18cha3 on August 01, 2021, 04:07:04 PM
Women can't fight.

Scáthach, Boudica, and Cynane disagree. Your absolutism is as silly as pretending it was common.

Quote from: strcondex18cha3 on August 01, 2021, 04:07:04 PM

Quote from: GeekyBugle on August 01, 2021, 02:27:57 PM

Quote from: Ghostmaker on August 01, 2021, 01:57:28 PM

Quote from: strcondex18cha3 on August 01, 2021, 05:49:02 AM

Heroic stuff is a male endeavour, period.

Incorrect. The problem is that the current year writers and creators are flat fucking incompetent at telling this kind of tale.

They've forgotten everything about storytelling (I guess it was just too problematic).

Correct, the Hero's Journey doesn't neccesitate a Male Protagonist, just a well written one and a well written tale.

You are laughably wrong.
Women can't fight. No female soldiery in history.
They cannot be heroes by definition because we sacrifice our lives for them.
Males work well in warbands, forming their own hierarchy on the fly if necessary. Women are incapable of doing so because they don't need that: in the end, they get the winner.

As long as you are cucking this hard, the left will win because you empower them by implicating they are still on to something.
Our tolerance for a theoretical outlier became a trojan horse.

Besides the examples cited by Pat above.

We're talking about FANTASY dude, a well written tale with well written characters resonates despite the sex of the protagonist.

Yes, Armies were and are mostly male, at least in the frontlines now a days. And yet there have been outliers that have fought and even lead and died with their men.

But this is "cuckery" because I know and aknowledge history and can differentiate between fantasy and reality.

Quote from: strcondex18cha3 on August 01, 2021, 04:07:04 PM

Quote from: GeekyBugle on August 01, 2021, 02:27:57 PM

Quote from: Ghostmaker on August 01, 2021, 01:57:28 PM

Quote from: strcondex18cha3 on August 01, 2021, 05:49:02 AM

Heroic stuff is a male endeavour, period.

Incorrect. The problem is that the current year writers and creators are flat fucking incompetent at telling this kind of tale.

They've forgotten everything about storytelling (I guess it was just too problematic).

Correct, the Hero's Journey doesn't neccesitate a Male Protagonist, just a well written one and a well written tale.

You are laughably wrong.
Women can't fight. No female soldiery in history.
They cannot be heroes by definition because we sacrifice our lives for them.
Males work well in warbands, forming their own hierarchy on the fly if necessary. Women are incapable of doing so because they don't need that: in the end, they get the winner.

As long as you are cucking this hard, the left will win because you empower them by implicating they are still on to something.
Our tolerance for a theoretical outlier became a trojan horse.

The Hero's Journey isn't about getting buffed out and beating people up.

Quote from: Eirikrautha on August 01, 2021, 03:36:27 PM

Quote from: GeekyBugle on August 01, 2021, 02:27:57 PM

Quote from: Ghostmaker on August 01, 2021, 01:57:28 PM

Quote from: strcondex18cha3 on August 01, 2021, 05:49:02 AM

Heroic stuff is a male endeavour, period.

Incorrect. The problem is that the current year writers and creators are flat fucking incompetent at telling this kind of tale.

They've forgotten everything about storytelling (I guess it was just too problematic).

Correct, the Hero's Journey doesn't neccesitate a Male Protagonist, just a well written one and a well written tale.

While I agree with you and GeekyBugle, I will say that strdex###s does have a point, in that defining heroism as a series of physical endeavors (as was often the case in literature and myth) is primarily a male pursuit.  Despite the handful of cherry-picked historical cases that get worn thin by the modern woke crowd, the physical differences between men and women generally preclude women from legendary feats of combat or strength.  Hell, just yesterday I was watching TV with my wife and she commented after a commercial for "powerful woman beats up a dozen muscular 200# badasses movie part 17" that she was sick and tired of all these movies and TV shows presenting 120# waifs as if they can plow through a squad of Navy Seals, no problem.  My wife is a former college athlete, and even she knows that men are inherently advantaged in things like strength, muscle-mass, and physical pursuits.  So, depending on how you define "heroics", he's not totally wrong...

Remember the part where I say : "Correct, the Hero's Journey doesn't neccesitate a Male Protagonist, just a well written one and a well written tale"?

Dou you consider a tale about a 120# waif plowing through 200#+ navy seals as if nothing well written? Give her some edge so I can suspend my disbelief for fucks sake!

Take Black Widow, in the comics she has powers, is around 100 years old and was trained by The Hand. Add to it her wrist mounted guns that shoot darts and other stuff and it becomes sorta credible she could best SOME men, pit her against the Hulk and we have a problem Houston.

Quote from: Pat on August 01, 2021, 04:18:53 PM

Quote from: strcondex18cha3 on August 01, 2021, 04:07:04 PM
Women can't fight.

Scáthach, Boudica, and Cynane disagree. Your absolutism is as silly as pretending it was common.

Scáthach=not a real person
Boudica lost and was probably just a figurehead.
Cynane might have been badass (although the record is shifty) but so what? I know a couple more who have an even better record.
That's still not even a one in a million chance of being an ok, not a great fighter.

In any athletic discipline women get absolutely thrashed by men, fighting being the most extreme.
This is one of the few things a child instinctively knows better than an adult who's been confused by decade long consumption of comics, shows and soy.
When something (not) happens across thousands of years in every culture- I guess it comes down to misogyny and patriarchy.
This is why the left keeps winning. You're too afraid to say what you know to be true.

Quote from: strcondex18cha3 on August 01, 2021, 04:40:53 PM

Quote from: Pat on August 01, 2021, 04:18:53 PM

Quote from: strcondex18cha3 on August 01, 2021, 04:07:04 PM
Women can't fight.

Scáthach, Boudica, and Cynane disagree. Your absolutism is as silly as pretending it was common.

Scáthach=not a real person
Boudica lost and was probably just a figurehead.
Cynane might have been badass (although the record is shifty) but so what? I know a couple more who have an even better record.
That's still not even a one in a million chance of being an ok, not a great fighter.

In any athletic discipline women get absolutely thrashed by men, fighting being the most extreme.
This is one of the few things a child instinctively knows better than an adult who's been confused by decade long consumption of comics, shows and soy.
When something (not) happens across thousands of years in every culture- I guess it comes down to misogyny and patriarchy.
This is why the left keeps winning. You're too afraid to say what you know to be true.

Bow to the Great Phallus, women of the World! And despair!

Quote from: strcondex18cha3 on August 01, 2021, 04:40:53 PM

Quote from: Pat on August 01, 2021, 04:18:53 PM

Quote from: strcondex18cha3 on August 01, 2021, 04:07:04 PM
Women can't fight.

Scáthach, Boudica, and Cynane disagree. Your absolutism is as silly as pretending it was common.

Scáthach=not a real person
Boudica lost and was probably just a figurehead.
Cynane might have been badass (although the record is shifty) but so what? I know a couple more who have an even better record.
That's still not even a one in a million chance of being an ok, not a great fighter.

In any athletic discipline women get absolutely thrashed by men, fighting being the most extreme.
This is one of the few things a child instinctively knows better than an adult who's been confused by decade long consumption of comics, shows and soy.
When something (not) happens across thousands of years in every culture- I guess it comes down to misogyny and patriarchy.
This is why the left keeps winning. You're too afraid to say what you know to be true.

Therefore no one should write fiction where the hero is a woman.

Can you differentiate between FICTION and REALITY?

Quote from: strcondex18cha3 on August 01, 2021, 04:40:53 PM
Cynane might have been badass (although the record is shifty) but so what? I know a couple more who have an even better record.
That's still not even a one in a million chance of being an ok, not a great fighter.

Someone whose legend as fighter has endured more than 2 millennia is merely ok? Exactly how many millennia will it take for Muhammad Ali to earn his sobriquet?

Nevermind. Because even if we take your absurd claim as absolute truth, you didn't claim that women fighters were rare. You claimed they didn't exist. So you're still admitting you're wrong.

So, those female soviet soldiers who fought on the front lines in WW2 are what? A figment of my imagination? Maybe they don't count because they were communist?
Yes, your average man is stronger than your average woman and historically few women have fought on the front lines but anyone who believes that women are incapable of fighting at the front in a war is truly delusional.

Quote from: spon on August 01, 2021, 05:12:37 PM
So, those female soviet soldiers who fought on the front lines in WW2 are what? A figment of my imagination? Maybe they don't count because they were communist?
Yes, your average man is stronger than your average woman and historically few women have fought on the front lines but anyone who believes that women are incapable of fighting at the front in a war is truly delusional.

Exactly. It all depends from context. A man that underestimates a woman who knows her stuff is not going to end well. And we are not talking about Black Widow here.

A friend of mine teaches self-defense for women. The key, if you know the right techniques, is to keep your cool. One of the first warning that he gives is how much unintended damage a woman can inflict to a man after only a bunch of lessons. Simply rising your leg, if someone grabs you from behind, and smashing your shoe on his knee can cripple a guy right there. This is only an example.

Greetings!

Women fighting in war, historically, has indeed been rare. Most of the time, most women are simply physically and emotionally poorly equipped to fight in wars. However, there are always a few extraordinary exceptions. During World War II, the Soviet Union trained and sent over 1,000 women snipers to the front to fight against the Nazis. Many of these Russian women snipers proved themselves to be extremely lethal and professional killers, and excellent warriors.





In the Middle Ages, Queen Tamara of Georgia, was known to lead her armies in battle, and she apparently wore armour and weapons, and led from the front. She gained the passionate loyalty of the men in her armies, and she went on to successfully rule her wealthy kingdom for many years.

Very interesting stuff in history!

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK

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Quote from: spon on August 01, 2021, 05:12:37 PM
So, those female soviet soldiers who fought on the front lines in WW2 are what? A figment of my imagination? Maybe they don't count because they were communist?
Yes, your average man is stronger than your average woman and historically few women have fought on the front lines but anyone who believes that women are incapable of fighting at the front in a war is truly delusional.

Exactly. It all depends from context. A man that underestimates a woman who knows her stuff is not going to end well. And we are not talking about Black Widow here.

A friend of mine teaches self-defense for women. The key, if you know the right techniques, is to keep your cool. One of the first warning that he gives is how much unintended damage a woman can inflict to a man after only a bunch of lessons. Simply rising your leg, if someone grabs you from behind, and smashing your shoe on his knee can cripple a guy right there. This is only an example.

Which is swell if you're fighting off a guy drunk off his ass.
How would such a woman fare if a fit, prepared guy who didn't underestimate her was actually attempting to kill her? Then the odds swing harshly against her.

But I think this line of discussion misses the point I made earlier. The Hero's Journey isn't about beating people up.

Quote from: spon on August 01, 2021, 05:12:37 PM
So, those female soviet soldiers who fought on the front lines in WW2 are what? A figment of my imagination? Maybe they don't count because they were communist?

Same with the Roman reports of Celtic women going to war beside their husbands. The Romans had every reason to deny or downplay this happening, because they considered the concept incomprehensible, but we have firsthand accounts. While no direct historical records of the Celts survive because they were an oral culture, we can see how important it was in their myths. Scáthach wasn't just a random warrior that showed up in some story. She was the person who taught the undisputed greatest hero in their culture how to fight. She was Cú Chulainn's Mr. Miyagi.

There are a lot of reasons why women rarely engage in battle. Size and strength is a big one. Testosterone, though that's a long discussion. The inconvenience of pregnancy. The utility of single-sex units. There's also the replenishment argument -- if there's a devastating war that kills a lot of the young adults of a particular culture, and it was the young women you sent to war not the young men, then your culture's over, because of biology. A handful of woman can't replace an entire generation; conversely, a handful of men can. That strongly encourages warlike cultures to send men not women to war. There's also just cultural inertia, and Western culture from the Romans on down tends to be more biased against women in war than most world cultures. Though even there, there are plenty of counter examples. Joan of Arc, or all the medieval wives who cared for the manor and commanded the defenses and even armies when their husbands were away on something like a Crusade. In more recent times, there are plenty of stories of women dressing up as men to fight in something like the Civil War. And modern countries like Israel or groups like the Kurds have shown that women can be capable warriors.

It's rare, and there are limitations (it's a very rare woman who can handle the full gear loadout of infantry, in any era), but it's absurd to deny it happens, and even more absurd to try to impose that absolutism in a fictional world where the PCs are by definition exceptional.

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Quote from: Reckall on August 01, 2021, 05:21:30 PM

Quote from: spon on August 01, 2021, 05:12:37 PM
So, those female soviet soldiers who fought on the front lines in WW2 are what? A figment of my imagination? Maybe they don't count because they were communist?
Yes, your average man is stronger than your average woman and historically few women have fought on the front lines but anyone who believes that women are incapable of fighting at the front in a war is truly delusional.

Exactly. It all depends from context. A man that underestimates a woman who knows her stuff is not going to end well. And we are not talking about Black Widow here.

A friend of mine teaches self-defense for women. The key, if you know the right techniques, is to keep your cool. One of the first warning that he gives is how much unintended damage a woman can inflict to a man after only a bunch of lessons. Simply rising your leg, if someone grabs you from behind, and smashing your shoe on his knee can cripple a guy right there. This is only an example.

Which is swell if you're fighting off a guy drunk off his ass.
How would such a woman fare if a fit, prepared guy who didn't underestimate her was actually attempting to kill her? Then the odds swing harshly against her.

If such a guy comes at you then probably you are screwed even if you are a man.

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But I think this line of discussion misses the point I made earlier. The Hero's Journey isn't about beating people up.

No, but being beaten by a woman can be part of the journey.

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Quote from: spon on August 01, 2021, 05:12:37 PM
So, those female soviet soldiers who fought on the front lines in WW2 are what? A figment of my imagination? Maybe they don't count because they were communist?

Same with the Roman reports of Celtic women going to war beside their husbands. The Romans had every reason to deny or downplay this happening, because they considered the concept incomprehensible, but we have firsthand accounts. While no direct historical records of the Celts survive because they were an oral culture, we can see how important it was in their myths. Scáthach wasn't just a random warrior that showed up in some story. She was the person who taught the undisputed greatest hero in their culture how to fight. She was Cú Chulainn's Mr. Miyagi.

There are a lot of reasons why women rarely engage in battle. Size and strength is a big one. Testosterone, though that's a long discussion. The inconvenience of pregnancy. The utility of single-sex units. There's also the replenishment argument -- if there's a devastating war that kills a lot of the young adults of a particular culture, and it was the young women you sent to war not the young men, then your culture's over, because of biology. A handful of woman can't replace an entire generation; conversely, a handful of men can. That strongly encourages warlike cultures to send men not women to war. There's also just cultural inertia, and Western culture from the Romans on down tends to be more biased against women in war than most world cultures. Though even there, there are plenty of counter examples. Joan of Arc, or all the medieval wives who cared for the manor and commanded the defenses and even armies when their husbands were away on something like a Crusade. In more recent times, there are plenty of stories of women dressing up as men to fight in something like the Civil War. And modern countries like Israel or groups like the Kurds have shown that women can be capable warriors.

It's rare, and there are limitations (it's a very rare woman who can handle the full gear loadout of infantry, in any era), but it's absurd to deny it happens, and even more absurd to try to impose that absolutism in a fictional world where the PCs are by definition exceptional.

Greetings!

Good stuff, Pat! Very true. Scathach is a mythical representation of the very real Celtic women that did fight as warriors. There have always been a few tough, blood-thirsty Celtic women around to fight alongside their men. The Romans also discuss how there were German barbarian women that also eagerly engaged in war. The Romans observe that the German barbarian women were of course tall, strong, and physically impressive, as well as being fierce and savage. You mention the Kurds--I saw a video at the front where they were interviewing some Kurdish Christian and Muslim women--I think there were several thousand of them, defending this village out in the desert. They were absolutely soldiers--armed to the teeth, and it showed them fighting in combat. Raking enemy Muslim or Syrians and such with a 50-caliber machine gun, riding to attack them from trucks with AK-47's, acting as snipers and killing enemy warriors. These chicks were not playing house, you know? Much of the available men had been killed, or deserted, and these women had children, families, and friends living nearby. They were committed to fighting the enemy, and resisting to the end, no matter what.

I've seen other videos and interviews of Ukrainian and Russian women fighting against the Ukrainian Junta in the civil war going on in the Donbas region of Russia, since 2014. These women also include snipers! It showed them going into action and killing enemy Ukrainians. Sniper rifles, Ghillie suits, all geared up. They are not a fucking joke either. I saw a video where there was a famous Russian sniper girl, like 25 years old, that had a record of personally killing several dozen Ukrainian enemy soldiers. Her nickname was "Snow White". She was killed in action in the fighting over there in the last few years.

I saw another interview with this Russian woman, like 28 years old, and a mother of two kids. She was at the front, fighting against the enemy. She was all kitted up, snipers trying to kill her, too. They then reached a bunker where they finished her interview. She said she had volunteered, and believed that she had to kill the enemy, at every opportunity. She was a crack marksman, so her commander allowed her to serve in the front lines as a sniper. She said every enemy soldier she kills, makes her children and others just a little bit safer, so that they may live. She's been fighting at the front in this civil war for over three years straight. She said she will continue to fight, until the end. She then moved off to go on the hunt.

So, yeah. I'm pretty traditional. The vast majority of women are worthless in battle and have no business being on a battlefield. However, there are a few women that are exceptional, highly skilled, and ruthlessly devoted to killing the enemy.

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK

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Quote from: Ratman_tf on August 01, 2021, 05:34:08 PM

Quote from: Reckall on August 01, 2021, 05:21:30 PM

Quote from: spon on August 01, 2021, 05:12:37 PM
So, those female soviet soldiers who fought on the front lines in WW2 are what? A figment of my imagination? Maybe they don't count because they were communist?
Yes, your average man is stronger than your average woman and historically few women have fought on the front lines but anyone who believes that women are incapable of fighting at the front in a war is truly delusional.

Exactly. It all depends from context. A man that underestimates a woman who knows her stuff is not going to end well. And we are not talking about Black Widow here.

A friend of mine teaches self-defense for women. The key, if you know the right techniques, is to keep your cool. One of the first warning that he gives is how much unintended damage a woman can inflict to a man after only a bunch of lessons. Simply rising your leg, if someone grabs you from behind, and smashing your shoe on his knee can cripple a guy right there. This is only an example.

Which is swell if you're fighting off a guy drunk off his ass.
How would such a woman fare if a fit, prepared guy who didn't underestimate her was actually attempting to kill her? Then the odds swing harshly against her.

If such a guy comes at you then probably you are screwed even if you are a man.

The point is, all things being equal, all things are not equal. Men are typically stronger than women, on average. If you pick two people to fight each other, sex is gonna make a big difference. I won't repeat Pat's points earlier, he covered the important topics.
Sometimes women have fought in wars and battles. But it's not even remotely as common as men being the ones, sometimes forcefully conscprited, to do so, by a huge margin. For the reasons put forth earlier.

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But I think this line of discussion misses the point I made earlier. The Hero's Journey isn't about beating people up.

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No, but being beaten by a woman can be part of the journey.

Lots of things can be part of the journey.

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Quote from: GeekyBugle on August 01, 2021, 02:27:57 PM

Quote from: Ghostmaker on August 01, 2021, 01:57:28 PM

Quote from: strcondex18cha3 on August 01, 2021, 05:49:02 AM

Heroic stuff is a male endeavour, period.

Incorrect. The problem is that the current year writers and creators are flat fucking incompetent at telling this kind of tale.

They've forgotten everything about storytelling (I guess it was just too problematic).

Correct, the Hero's Journey doesn't neccesitate a Male Protagonist, just a well written one and a well written tale.

You are laughably wrong.
Women can't fight. No female soldiery in history.
They cannot be heroes by definition because we sacrifice our lives for them.
Males work well in warbands, forming their own hierarchy on the fly if necessary. Women are incapable of doing so because they don't need that: in the end, they get the winner.

As long as you are cucking this hard, the left will win because you empower them by implicating they are still on to something.
Our tolerance for a theoretical outlier became a trojan horse.

That's simply wrong. I knew a female soldier that died from a secondary explosion trying to recover other soldiers from an IED blast. She was a hero.

The reason women can not have a Heros Journey story is because you would have to tell a story where the woman grows and develops.

They can not just be perfect from the start.

Quote from: Shasarak on August 01, 2021, 06:45:05 PM
The reason women can not have a Heros Journey story is because you would have to tell a story where the woman grows and develops.

They can not just be perfect from the start.

Which is the problem ALL of us (or at least the vast majority) have with current year entertainment.

This wasn't always true.

Quote from: SHARK on August 01, 2021, 05:29:06 PM
Greetings!

Women fighting in war, historically, has indeed been rare. Most of the time, most women are simply physically and emotionally poorly equipped to fight in wars. However, there are always a few extraordinary exceptions. During World War II, the Soviet Union trained and sent over 1,000 women snipers to the front to fight against the Nazis. Many of these Russian women snipers proved themselves to be extremely lethal and professional killers, and excellent warriors.

In the Middle Ages, Queen Tamara of Georgia, was known to lead her armies in battle, and she apparently wore armour and weapons, and led from the front. She gained the passionate loyalty of the men in her armies, and she went on to successfully rule her wealthy kingdom for many years.

Very interesting stuff in history!

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK

Ehhh, sadly most of the stories of women soldiers, pilots, et al. from the Soviet Union were like Vasily Zaitsev, propaganda.  The actual evidence for most of the claims is ... lacking...  That's not to say some didn't exist or perform admirably, but you can't really trust the Soviets for any information...

Quote from: Shasarak on August 01, 2021, 06:45:05 PM
The reason women can not have a Heros Journey story is because you would have to tell a story where the woman grows and develops.

They can not just be perfect from the start.

This is why a lot of the newer "stronk wxymun" characters fall flat. They follow the feminist journey-

They're already powerful and great and competent, it's just the men in the story keeping them down.
After they unlock their potential, they use it to get revenge on the men.

Quote from: Ratman_tf on August 01, 2021, 08:22:22 PM

Quote from: Shasarak on August 01, 2021, 06:45:05 PM
The reason women can not have a Heros Journey story is because you would have to tell a story where the woman grows and develops.

They can not just be perfect from the start.

This is why a lot of the newer "stronk wxymun" characters fall flat. They follow the feminist journey-

They're already powerful and great and competent, it's just the men in the story keeping them down.
After they unlock their potential, they use it to get revenge on the men.

Except there is never any man keeping them down.  All the men are pathetic losers that can never win.

Take Mary Sue and Darth Vader-Lite, I mean Rey and Kylo for example.  Rey beats him in the first movie, in the second movie and the third movie, what kind of heros journey is that?

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Quote from: Ratman_tf on August 01, 2021, 08:22:22 PM

Quote from: Shasarak on August 01, 2021, 06:45:05 PM
The reason women can not have a Heros Journey story is because you would have to tell a story where the woman grows and develops.

They can not just be perfect from the start.

This is why a lot of the newer "stronk wxymun" characters fall flat. They follow the feminist journey-

They're already powerful and great and competent, it's just the men in the story keeping them down.
After they unlock their potential, they use it to get revenge on the men.

Except there is never any man keeping them down.  All the men are pathetic losers that can never win.

Take Mary Sue and Darth Vader-Lite, I mean Rey and Kylo for example.  Rey beats him in the first movie, in the second movie and the third movie, what kind of heros journey is that?

It's the HER-o's Journey of course you bigot!

Quote from: SHARK on August 01, 2021, 06:25:08 PM

Quote from: Pat on August 01, 2021, 05:36:18 PM

Quote from: spon on August 01, 2021, 05:12:37 PM
So, those female soviet soldiers who fought on the front lines in WW2 are what? A figment of my imagination? Maybe they don't count because they were communist?

Same with the Roman reports of Celtic women going to war beside their husbands. The Romans had every reason to deny or downplay this happening, because they considered the concept incomprehensible, but we have firsthand accounts. While no direct historical records of the Celts survive because they were an oral culture, we can see how important it was in their myths. Scáthach wasn't just a random warrior that showed up in some story. She was the person who taught the undisputed greatest hero in their culture how to fight. She was Cú Chulainn's Mr. Miyagi.

There are a lot of reasons why women rarely engage in battle. Size and strength is a big one. Testosterone, though that's a long discussion. The inconvenience of pregnancy. The utility of single-sex units. There's also the replenishment argument -- if there's a devastating war that kills a lot of the young adults of a particular culture, and it was the young women you sent to war not the young men, then your culture's over, because of biology. A handful of woman can't replace an entire generation; conversely, a handful of men can. That strongly encourages warlike cultures to send men not women to war. There's also just cultural inertia, and Western culture from the Romans on down tends to be more biased against women in war than most world cultures. Though even there, there are plenty of counter examples. Joan of Arc, or all the medieval wives who cared for the manor and commanded the defenses and even armies when their husbands were away on something like a Crusade. In more recent times, there are plenty of stories of women dressing up as men to fight in something like the Civil War. And modern countries like Israel or groups like the Kurds have shown that women can be capable warriors.

It's rare, and there are limitations (it's a very rare woman who can handle the full gear loadout of infantry, in any era), but it's absurd to deny it happens, and even more absurd to try to impose that absolutism in a fictional world where the PCs are by definition exceptional.

Greetings!

Good stuff, Pat! Very true. Scathach is a mythical representation of the very real Celtic women that did fight as warriors. There have always been a few tough, blood-thirsty Celtic women around to fight alongside their men. The Romans also discuss how there were German barbarian women that also eagerly engaged in war. The Romans observe that the German barbarian women were of course tall, strong, and physically impressive, as well as being fierce and savage.

The Germans are another good example. I alluded to it earlier, but it bears repeating: Western civilization, from the Romans to the early modern era, tended to be fairly sexist, in comparison to other cultures from the same periods. The Celts weren't modern liberals, but their women could be warriors, heroes, and druids. A lot more men fought than women, but they lacked the hard barriers that led the Romans to be utterly shocked and disbelieving when the Celts sent women as delegates and representatives. Western civilization has since become the most egalitarian of all societies, whether contemporary or historical, but relying on Western myths, legends, and history tends to downplay the role of women across all cultures around the world.

Quote from: Shasarak on August 01, 2021, 08:55:37 PM
Take Mary Sue and Darth Vader-Lite, I mean Rey and Kylo for example.  Rey beats him in the first movie, in the second movie and the third movie, what kind of heros journey is that?

It's not the journey of a hero. It's the journey of a bully.

That's why characters who fit that pattern are so unlikeable.

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Quote from: strcondex18cha3 on August 01, 2021, 05:49:02 AM

Heroic stuff is a male endeavour, period.

Incorrect. The problem is that the current year writers and creators are flat fucking incompetent at telling this kind of tale.

They've forgotten everything about storytelling (I guess it was just too problematic).

Correct, the Hero's Journey doesn't neccesitate a Male Protagonist, just a well written one and a well written tale.

You are laughably wrong.
Women can't fight. No female soldiery in history.
They cannot be heroes by definition because we sacrifice our lives for them.
Males work well in warbands, forming their own hierarchy on the fly if necessary. Women are incapable of doing so because they don't need that: in the end, they get the winner.

As long as you are cucking this hard, the left will win because you empower them by implicating they are still on to something.
Our tolerance for a theoretical outlier became a trojan horse.

Your exact words:

"Heroic stuff is a male endeavour, period."

You didn't specify purely physical endeavours or warfare, a la Conan.

Need help with those goalposts?

Fighting and heroics is broadly the same and both are male domains.

Fighting is defined by risking your neck for whatever it is, usually glorified as warding of an existential threat to your tribe, people, ethnos, nation or empire.
The risk is essential and has to be overcome through the most common and basic male virtue in history - courage, to which honour, loyality, prowess and so on are all tied to.
Women are the evolutionary bottleneck so men risk their necks to stand out as worthies.
No society ever made woman routinely risk their necks. This is what men are for, after all.

Of course, if you deny basic biology then all this is not real for you.

Quote from: strcondex18cha3 on August 02, 2021, 06:10:06 PM
Fighting and heroics is broadly the same and both are male domains.

They are not even remotely the same. Lots of villians fight, and not all heroes are fighters.

Quote from: oggsmash on July 28, 2021, 08:53:28 AMThe old saying, once someone tells you who they really are, believe them, is very relevant here.  Stop giving scorpions a ride across the river IMO.

Ancient wisdom keeps on being wise words to live by.

I was "too old" for the He-Man cartoons when they came out, but I remember really enjoying the Dolph Lundgren movie. It was bizarre 80s camp that somehow really worked...at least, that's how I remember it.

Kevin Smith has always been an utterly worthless shitsack made of bitch and dumb, so I don't know why anyone would expect his take on MOTU to be anything other than a trannywreck.

Regarding heroes, there's a reason why the Zero to Hero and Hero's Journey works and the modern day idiocy doesn't work.

The Greek playwrights understood that a Perfect Hero was a terrific character...but only for a Tragedy. The last 3 SJW Wars movies are a great example.

RestingBitchface can do everything perfect from Day 1. That's fine for Movie 1, as long as you foreshadow that something's not right. Meanwhile, WhinyMcAsshat can't do anything right, but is somehow deeply tied to her.

The true arc for these two should have been Rey falling to the Dark and Kylo rising into the Light, the perfect one becomes what she fought against and the failure redeems himself.

But that requires writers, producers and directors who are not cucks.

Quote from: Ratman_tf on August 02, 2021, 06:53:52 PM

Quote from: strcondex18cha3 on August 02, 2021, 06:10:06 PM
Fighting and heroics is broadly the same and both are male domains.

They are not even remotely the same. Lots of villians fight, and not all heroes are fighters.

Are you linking to a video of Yoda? Who cares about getting pseudo-wisdom out of a modern franchise!?!

Also, I think you misunderstood, although you should, by now, assuming you're an adult man, understand how the basics work.
Men fight. Fighting can be done for the lousiest and wickedest reasons. Obviously.
But that's not what we're arguing here.
Fighting done under great personal risk for your family, friends, people, tribe and so forth is where a hero is made.

QuoteThe Greek playwrights understood

They certainly understood that women are no heroes. In fact, they often warned about a society run by them (Lysistrata) or of powerful manipulaters like Medea.
In Greek mythology, the hero usually dies, which is what elevates him to his status.

Quote from: strcondex18cha3 on August 03, 2021, 03:06:15 AMyou should, by now, assuming you're an adult man, understand how the basics work.

I feel like this needs a Tim the Toolman grunt at the end.

Quote from: strcondex18cha3 on August 03, 2021, 03:06:15 AM

Quote from: Ratman_tf on August 02, 2021, 06:53:52 PM

Quote from: strcondex18cha3 on August 02, 2021, 06:10:06 PM
Fighting and heroics is broadly the same and both are male domains.

They are not even remotely the same. Lots of villians fight, and not all heroes are fighters.

Are you linking to a video of Yoda? Who cares about getting pseudo-wisdom out of a modern franchise!?!

Also, I think you misunderstood, although you should, by now, assuming you're an adult man, understand how the basics work.
Men fight. Fighting can be done for the lousiest and wickedest reasons. Obviously.
But that's not what we're arguing here.
Fighting done under great personal risk for your family, friends, people, tribe and so forth is where a hero is made.

What we're arguing here, is the merits (or lack of merit) of a children's cartoon, on a website about pretending to be an elf.

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QuoteThe Greek playwrights understood

They certainly understood that women are no heroes. In fact, they often warned about a society run by them (Lysistrata) or of powerful manipulaters like Medea.
In Greek mythology, the hero usually dies, which is what elevates him to his status.

The greeks also thought highly of pederasty. I'd be cautious about taking any wisdom from them.

In any case. It's quite foolish to assign combat as the primary attribute of heroism. The province of young children who think their action figure is a hero because he can beat up all the other action figures.

*Fucking nested quotes. I sweartagawd.

Greek were not fond of pederasty, that's propaganda from the same ilk of people that are now attacking our culture. The philosophical ideas behind this (for instance Plato's remark on some homos being most manly) and the historical facts (Thebes' 'Sacred Band', probably more of a tale)  are totally overblown. In reality, a pederast would have most likely been stoned and a woman larping as a man would have been laughed at or whipped.

Good to know that you're an evolution denier that can only think in childish metaphors. Star Wars this, toys that.

Heroism was always manly. Fighting is a man's vocation.
Denying this leads to all sorts of confusion and our hobby is but a part of that deplorable predicament.

Quote from: strcondex18cha3 on August 03, 2021, 06:00:59 AM
Greek were not fond of pederasty, that's propaganda from the same ilk of people that are now attacking our culture. The philosophical ideas behind this (for instance Plato's remark on some homos being most manly) and the historical facts (Thebes' 'Sacred Band', probably more of a tale)  are totally overblown. In reality, a pederast would have most likely been stoned and a woman larping as a man would have been laughed at or whipped.

Sure, buddy.

QuoteGood to know that you're an evolution denier that can only think in childish metaphors. Star Wars this, toys that.

Says the guy with a video game character as his avatar, posing on an RPG web site. Somehow, I doubt you're as manly as your words.

QuoteHeroism was always manly. Fighting is a man's vocation.
Denying this leads to all sorts of confusion and our hobby is but a part of that deplorable predicament.

We've got an online Tyler Durden here, Furiosly bashing his keyboard. :D

Quote from: strcondex18cha3 on August 03, 2021, 06:00:59 AM
Greek were not fond of pederasty, that's propaganda from the same ilk of people that are now attacking our culture. The philosophical ideas behind this (for instance Plato's remark on some homos being most manly) and the historical facts (Thebes' 'Sacred Band', probably more of a tale)  are totally overblown. In reality, a pederast would have most likely been stoned and a woman larping as a man would have been laughed at or whipped.

Good to know that you're an evolution denier that can only think in childish metaphors. Star Wars this, toys that.

Heroism was always manly. Fighting is a man's vocation.
Denying this leads to all sorts of confusion and our hobby is but a part of that deplorable predicament.

You need to share what you're smoking.

Quote from: Ratman_tf on August 03, 2021, 07:13:27 AM

Quote from: strcondex18cha3 on August 03, 2021, 06:00:59 AM
Greek were not fond of pederasty, that's propaganda from the same ilk of people that are now attacking our culture. The philosophical ideas behind this (for instance Plato's remark on some homos being most manly) and the historical facts (Thebes' 'Sacred Band', probably more of a tale)  are totally overblown. In reality, a pederast would have most likely been stoned and a woman larping as a man would have been laughed at or whipped.

Sure, buddy.

QuoteGood to know that you're an evolution denier that can only think in childish metaphors. Star Wars this, toys that.

Says the guy with a video game character as his avatar, posing on an RPG web site. Somehow, I doubt you're as manly as your words.

QuoteHeroism was always manly. Fighting is a man's vocation.
Denying this leads to all sorts of confusion and our hobby is but a part of that deplorable predicament.

We've got an online Tyler Durden here, Furiosly bashing his keyboard. :D

It's such a submoronic take that I'm wondering if I'm being trolled here.

Heroism and adventure are more than just whacking people with a club, after all. I bet he hates the 'guile hero' trope, too.

Quote from: strcondex18cha3 on August 03, 2021, 06:00:59 AM
Heroism was always manly. Fighting is a man's vocation.

I see that you don't have your definitions of "heroism" and "fighting" exactly right.

The simple act of childbirth gives me the creeps (if I imagine me doing that, to be clear; I'm not speaking about wanting to see the birth of your son like many fathers love to do). "Alien" is partially based on this exact male fear.

Any woman fights, especially for her kids. She fights the society, she fights poverty, she fights illnesses (*), she fights for a better future. And sometimes it turns out that she needs to fight physically. But thinking that "fighting = waving around a sword" is an extremely reductive view of the concept.

Grow up.

(*) During my life I sadly lost three friends still at a young age. One died of leukemia back in the late '90s, another of ASL a few years ago, and a dear friend and colleague died of cancer just before the pandemic. In all three cases I had no doubt that their girlfriends/wives fought along them, tooth and nail, until the very end.

Our dispute doesn't seem to lead anywhere. So I'm out of this thread.

I hope I made myself clear regarding the fundamentally nonheroic (and non-martial) nature of women.
This doesn't mean there was no heroine in history, such rare creatures do exist, of course. Just like I have no problems whatsoever with anybody playing heroic broads.
Gaming with exceptions (which is actually nice) in mind is different from experiencing a hysterical collective larp leading to needless degeneracy, however.

You got the last word, doubtlessly to insert a nugget of wisdom from 'my little pony'.

Quote from: strcondex18cha3 on August 03, 2021, 08:14:33 AM
Our dispute doesn't seem to lead anywhere. So I'm out of this thread.

A truly heroic retreat.

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I hope I made myself clear regarding the fundamentally nonheroic (and non-martial) nature of women.
This doesn't mean there was no heroine in history, such rare creatures do exist, of course. Just like I have no problems whatsoever with anybody playing heroic broads.
Gaming with exceptions (which is actually nice) in mind is different from experiencing a hysterical collective larp leading to needless degeneracy, however.

You got the last word, doubtlessly to insert a nugget of wisdom from 'my little pony'.

I'm wondering what drew you to a He-Man and the Masters of the Universe thread in the first place.

Quote from: Ratman_tf on August 03, 2021, 09:33:52 AM

Quote from: strcondex18cha3 on August 03, 2021, 08:14:33 AM
Our dispute doesn't seem to lead anywhere. So I'm out of this thread.

A truly heroic retreat.

Worthy of song.  I shall forever remember the day a real hero came into my life to show us the value of courage.

That day isn't today, but still.

Maybe, just maybe, it's going to be trully She-Maam and the Wolkesters of the Universities.

Maybe, just maybe Adam's replacement is the stronk, independent, stunning & brave womixn of colour.

And why do you have a problem with it, considering race and sex does not exist in your mind?

Quote from: strcondex18cha3 on August 03, 2021, 06:13:22 PM
And why do you have a problem with it, considering race and sex does not exist in your mind?

Oh goody, how the fuck do I mute this imbecile?

Edited to add: Never mind, found it.

Quote from: strcondex18cha3 on August 03, 2021, 06:13:22 PM
And why do you have a problem with it, considering race and sex does not exist in your mind?

And a liar to boot. You couldn't even stay away one day from a discussion you were "leaving".  ;D

Such a terrible liar- no wait, I said you cucks have nothing in store.
Then MarxyBugle managed to increase his dissonance.
Maybe you can answer for him given that xe's afraid to tackle basic biological facts?

Quote from: strcondex18cha3 on August 03, 2021, 06:13:22 PM
And why do you have a problem with it, considering race and sex does not exist in your mind?

I think there is only one person on this forum that believes that race and sex do not exist.

But he also believes everything he sees on TV too.

Quote from: strcondex18cha3 on August 03, 2021, 07:42:40 PM
Such a terrible liar- no wait, I said you cucks have nothing in store.
Then MarxyBugle managed to increase his dissonance.
Maybe you can answer for him given that xe's afraid to tackle basic biological facts?

Greetings!

Hello, strcondex18cha3. I see that you are a new member here, with 38 posts. GeekyBugle and Ratman have both been members here for a very long time. They have both relentlessly opposed SJW's and Marxists in particular, both with members here and in topical discussions. GeekyBugle and Ratman have both been advocates and defenders of traditionalism and conservatism in a consistent and often passionate manner. Your assessment of them being "Cucks" and "Brainwashed Marxists" simply isn't true or accurate, in any way.

Hopefully, you can reconsider your assessment and approach. GeekyBugle and Ratman are excellent men, and good members of the board here. Save your ferocity for the real Marxists and SJW's. There are not many of those types here as members, but there are a few. They are often mind-boggling filled with Marxist jello, and they love attacking normal, conservative members here. There have been EPIC fights with genuine SJW's and cock-sucking Marxists here on a variety of topics, that have gone on for literally dozens of pages, with maximum use of NAPALM, I can assure you.

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK

Quote from: strcondex18cha3 on August 03, 2021, 07:42:40 PM
Such a terrible liar- no wait, I said you cucks have nothing in store.
Then MarxyBugle managed to increase his dissonance.
Maybe you can answer for him given that xe's afraid to tackle basic biological facts?

That's a lot of $10 words...

Quote from: SHARK on August 03, 2021, 08:01:19 PM

Quote from: strcondex18cha3 on August 03, 2021, 07:42:40 PM
Such a terrible liar- no wait, I said you cucks have nothing in store.
Then MarxyBugle managed to increase his dissonance.
Maybe you can answer for him given that xe's afraid to tackle basic biological facts?

Greetings!

Hello, strcondex18cha3. I see that you are a new member here, with 38 posts. GeekyBugle and Ratman have both been members here for a very long time. They have both relentlessly opposed SJW's and Marxists in particular, both with members here and in topical discussions. GeekyBugle and Ratman have both been advocates and defenders of traditionalism and conservatism in a consistent and often passionate manner. Your assessment of them being "Cucks" and "Brainwashed Marxists" simply isn't true or accurate, in any way.

Hopefully, you can reconsider your assessment and approach. GeekyBugle and Ratman are excellent men, and good members of the board here. Save your ferocity for the real Marxists and SJW's. There are not many of those types here as members, but there are a few. They are often mind-boggling filled with Marxist jello, and they love attacking normal, conservative members here. There have been EPIC fights with genuine SJW's and cock-sucking Marxists here on a variety of topics, that have gone on for literally dozens of pages, with maximum use of NAPALM, I can assure you.

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK

I'm starting to think the dude is a plant fishing for tasty quotes to display on TBP.

Quote from: GeekyBugle on August 03, 2021, 08:20:14 PM

Quote from: SHARK on August 03, 2021, 08:01:19 PM

Quote from: strcondex18cha3 on August 03, 2021, 07:42:40 PM
Such a terrible liar- no wait, I said you cucks have nothing in store.
Then MarxyBugle managed to increase his dissonance.
Maybe you can answer for him given that xe's afraid to tackle basic biological facts?

Greetings!

Hello, strcondex18cha3. I see that you are a new member here, with 38 posts. GeekyBugle and Ratman have both been members here for a very long time. They have both relentlessly opposed SJW's and Marxists in particular, both with members here and in topical discussions. GeekyBugle and Ratman have both been advocates and defenders of traditionalism and conservatism in a consistent and often passionate manner. Your assessment of them being "Cucks" and "Brainwashed Marxists" simply isn't true or accurate, in any way.

Hopefully, you can reconsider your assessment and approach. GeekyBugle and Ratman are excellent men, and good members of the board here. Save your ferocity for the real Marxists and SJW's. There are not many of those types here as members, but there are a few. They are often mind-boggling filled with Marxist jello, and they love attacking normal, conservative members here. There have been EPIC fights with genuine SJW's and cock-sucking Marxists here on a variety of topics, that have gone on for literally dozens of pages, with maximum use of NAPALM, I can assure you.

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK

I'm starting to think the dude is a plant fishing for tasty quotes to display on TBP.

There seems to be the opinion floating around that if one aknowledges that there are differences between the sexes, both physically and in behavior, that one must also believe that women are somehow inferior. But that accusation doesn't stick when the person doesn't actually believe women are inferior, just different. So we get these trolls taking the extreme conclusion for us. Maybe in the hopes that we'll reveal our dirty MRA opinions about how women suck.

Or maybe I'm reading it wrong, and strcondex18cha3 actually believes the nonsense he's spewing. In any case, it's a bad attempt to derail the thread. Bad in that he's succeeding.

Quote from: GeekyBugle on August 03, 2021, 05:46:44 PM
Maybe, just maybe, it's going to be trully She-Maam and the Wolkesters of the Universities.

Maybe, just maybe Adam's replacement is the stronk, independent, stunning & brave womixn of colour.

To try to drag this thread kicking and screaming back on topic.

I don't mind a woman of color being a character in MOTU. I do mind the terrible way they do it. [/obvious]

Quote from: Ratman_tf on August 03, 2021, 08:44:39 PM

Quote from: GeekyBugle on August 03, 2021, 05:46:44 PM
Maybe, just maybe, it's going to be trully She-Maam and the Wolkesters of the Universities.

Maybe, just maybe Adam's replacement is the stronk, independent, stunning & brave womixn of colour.

To try to drag this thread kicking and screaming back on topic.

I don't mind a woman of color being a character in MOTU. I do mind the terrible way they do it. [/obvious]

What's worst is I don't doubt for a second they'll retire Adam and make Andra the new "Champion" (Move over He-Man here comes She-Maam!)

It was bad enough they race bent her character and that of Greyskull because "Do we need two huge blond strong guys in the show?".

At least Kevin did not introduce a new character: a short, used to be fat white man who shows his feelings by crying at how bad ass the main character is.

Quote from: Shasarak on August 03, 2021, 09:22:52 PM
At least Kevin did not introduce a new character: a short, used to be fat white man who shows his feelings by crying at how bad ass the main character is.

Yet, he didn't introduce a selfinsert yet.

Quote from: strcondex18cha3 on August 03, 2021, 07:42:40 PM
Such a terrible liar- no wait, I said you cucks have nothing in store.
Then MarxyBugle managed to increase his dissonance.
Maybe you can answer for him given that xe's afraid to tackle basic biological facts?

2/10 bait. Rookie.

Quote from: Ghostmaker on August 03, 2021, 09:46:56 PM

Quote from: strcondex18cha3 on August 03, 2021, 07:42:40 PM
Such a terrible liar- no wait, I said you cucks have nothing in store.
Then MarxyBugle managed to increase his dissonance.
Maybe you can answer for him given that xe's afraid to tackle basic biological facts?

2/10 bait. Rookie.

He has a Cha of 3

Quote from: strcondex18cha3 on August 03, 2021, 07:42:40 PM
Such a terrible liar- no wait, I said you cucks have nothing in store.
Then MarxyBugle managed to increase his dissonance.
Maybe you can answer for him given that xe's afraid to tackle basic biological facts?

(https://i.imgflip.com/5iite8.jpg)

Quote from: Shasarak on August 03, 2021, 09:48:27 PM

Quote from: Ghostmaker on August 03, 2021, 09:46:56 PM

Quote from: strcondex18cha3 on August 03, 2021, 07:42:40 PM
Such a terrible liar- no wait, I said you cucks have nothing in store.
Then MarxyBugle managed to increase his dissonance.
Maybe you can answer for him given that xe's afraid to tackle basic biological facts?

2/10 bait. Rookie.

He has a Cha of 3

I would say Int and Wis of 3 as well...

On Topic:  Whatever happened to the fat, jolly Kevin Smith?  This can't be the same guy who brought us Clerks, Mallrats, & Dogma.

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Quote from: GeekyBugle on August 03, 2021, 05:46:44 PM
Maybe, just maybe, it's going to be trully She-Maam and the Wolkesters of the Universities.

Maybe, just maybe Adam's replacement is the stronk, independent, stunning & brave womixn of colour.

To try to drag this thread kicking and screaming back on topic.

I don't mind a woman of color being a character in MOTU. I do mind the terrible way they do it. [/obvious]

Word on the street says that Netflix is re-tinkering the remaining episodes after the show fell out the top ten after a couple of days (Netflix doesn't publish viewers' numbers, but you can see the top ten most seen in your territory).

I will not hold by breath. However, I disagree with those that say "The 'Top Ten', by not being supported by factual numbers, can be anything that Netflix wants." Even if this is true, "pulling" MOTU from the list after less than a week would still send a clear message.

Quote from: moonsweeper on August 04, 2021, 12:00:22 AM
On Topic:  Whatever happened to the fat, jolly Kevin Smith?  This can't be the same guy who brought us Clerks, Mallrats, & Dogma.

Some people see their best creative days behind them and are unable to recapture that spark. Others can return to form but after a creative dry spell. No one can be Scorsese or Tarantino, and no one is to blame for this.

This, however, would justify a bad MOTU. The problem here is that Kevin Smith destroyed the premise of the show, lied through his teeth for months after the fact was leaked, and assaulted the fans with swear words when unusual questions like "Why He-Man isn't in the 'He-Man' show?" were made. It was a mini-The Last Jedi all over again.

[Admittedly, Netflix lied too, during the propaganda phase of the launch.]

And from what I hear the show is bad, too. As usual, there is no reason for something that doesn't respect the source material to be bad. Kubrick did it all the time ("Doctor Strangelove", "Barry Lyndon", "The Shining"...) It could have been a disappointing He-Man show but a good Teela one. These days, however, this never happens.

Edit: The fact that Smith still dresses like a slacker from the 1990s is, IMHO, the proof that he is unable to grow out from that period of his life. It would be interesting to hear what Kevin Smith has to say today, but I fear that he never reached "today": he is still trapped in the times when he created his best works.

Quote from: Reckall on August 04, 2021, 06:06:19 AM

Quote from: Ratman_tf on August 03, 2021, 08:44:39 PM

Quote from: GeekyBugle on August 03, 2021, 05:46:44 PM
Maybe, just maybe, it's going to be trully She-Maam and the Wolkesters of the Universities.

Maybe, just maybe Adam's replacement is the stronk, independent, stunning & brave womixn of colour.

To try to drag this thread kicking and screaming back on topic.

I don't mind a woman of color being a character in MOTU. I do mind the terrible way they do it. [/obvious]

Word on the street says that Netflix is re-tinkering the remaining episodes after the show fell out the top ten after a couple of days (Netflix doesn't publish viewers' numbers, but you can see the top ten most seen in your territory).

I will not hold by breath. However, I disagree with those that say "The 'Top Ten', by not being supported by factual numbers, can be anything that Netflix wants." Even if this is true, "pulling" MOTU from the list after less than a week would still send a clear message.

These "piss off the fans for publicity" stunts seem to work for the first while, but then they're stuck with an unpopular show that the fans have abandoned after the outrage settles.

I'll throw in Japanese swordswoman Tomoe Gozen as another historical warrior woman.

(Wikipedia casts doubt on whether she was a real person or a fictional character, but my college Japanese History course treated her as a historical person, so that's good enough for me.)

Apart from that, burn thread burn. :)

Quote from: Lurkndog on August 04, 2021, 04:33:35 PM
I'll throw in Japanese swordswoman Tomoe Gozen as another historical warrior woman.

(Wikipedia casts doubt on whether she was a real person or a fictional character, but my college Japanese History course treated her as a historical person, so that's good enough for me.)

Apart from that, burn thread burn. :)

The battle of Aizu had the Joshitai (girl's army) of about 18 samurai women fighting alongside the men. This was as late as the 1868 so very much so historical persons.

Quote from: GeekyBugle on August 03, 2021, 08:20:14 PMI'm starting to think the dude is a plant fishing for tasty quotes to display on TBP.

That was my very first thought.

Now to be helpful...  Profile -> Account Settings -> Modify Profile -> Buddies/Ignore -> Ignore.

The new She-Ra and Kevin Smith's He-Man both suck donkey balls. The original She-Ra and He-Man shows from the 1980's sucked too. There, I said it.

Kevin Smith hasn't made a good movie since Clerks II and maybe Red State.

Quote from: Doc Sammy on August 07, 2021, 02:56:41 PM
Kevin Smith hasn't made a good movie since Clerks II and maybe Red State.

Fixed that for you.  Smith has made a career out of hype and nerd cred.  Too bad he didn't focus on skill or excellence...

Quote from: Eirikrautha on August 07, 2021, 03:05:04 PM

Quote from: Doc Sammy on August 07, 2021, 02:56:41 PM
Kevin Smith hasn't made a good movie since Clerks II and maybe Red State.

Fixed that for you.  Smith has made a career out of hype and nerd cred.  Too bad he didn't focus on skill or excellence...

Hard disagree. His early View Askew films were genuinely funny lowbrow comedies and Red State was okay, but the problem with Kevin Smith is that marijuana fried his brain and he started massively believing his own hype

I'd pick Chasing Amy as his peak, but yeah, he's past his prime as a screenwriter/director.

Still, it's not like he hasn't tried new things, or attempted to branch out. He just hasn't had much success working outside of his View Askew footprint, and the Clerks stuff is worn pretty thin by now. The actors are in their 40s, but they are still written like 20-year-olds.

If he really wants to reinvent himself, I wonder how he'd do as a late night host.

Quote from: Doc Sammy on August 07, 2021, 02:56:41 PM
The new She-Ra and Kevin Smith's He-Man both suck donkey balls. The original She-Ra and He-Man shows from the 1980's sucked too. There, I said it.

Kevin Smith hasn't made a good movie since Clerks II and maybe Red State.

I think one can make a pretty good case than in absolute quality Filmation sucked. The whole idea of the company was to do beyond the Ruby-Spears/70s Hana-Barbera levels of dog shit cheapness and give the Jay Ward folks a run for their money. Filmation did do some Live Action Stuff apart from their animation. The thing is, the one time they spent real money for the Pirates of Dark Water it seems like it killed the company which is why Mattel had to bring in a new animator for their sequel show where He-Man had a pony tail and Skeletor was on a new planet in the distant future hanging out with some mutant scofflaws.

Edit : NVM Pirates of DarkWater was a DIC + Hana-Babera joint. Filmation must have imploded all on their own. Maybe they imploded after they brought back their Original Ghostbusters as a cartoon.

(https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-Jdpm62Lba18/X4uVpcLwmHI/AAAAAAAACw8/a5O8sKJQOfonc-R_vK4slCTfHWsYrSJlgCLcBGAsYHQ/s600/The-Ghost-Busters-1975-Canceled-Too-Soon.jpg)

Not everything Filmation did was awful. (See Freedom Force) That lady on Jason of Star Command was quite attractive.

(https://nostalgiacentral.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/06/starcommand2.jpg)

Quote from: palaeomerus on August 11, 2021, 02:26:02 AM
I think one can make a pretty good case than in absolute quality Filmation sucked. The whole idea of the company was to do beyond the Ruby-Spears/70s Hana-Barbera levels of dog shit cheapness and give the Jay Ward folks a run for their money. Filmation did do some Live Action Stuff apart from their animation. The thing is, the one time they spent real money for the Pirates of Dark Water it seems like it killed the company which is why Mattel had to bring in a new animator for their sequel show where He-Man had a pony tail and Skeletor was on a new planet in the distant future hanging out with some mutant scofflaws.

Edit : NVM Pirates of DarkWater was a DIC + Hana-Babera joint. Filmation must have imploded all on their own. Maybe they imploded after they brought back their Original Ghostbusters as a cartoon.

  Filmation did collapse after the launch of the Ghostbusters cartoon and BraveStarr, although I'm not up on the details of why. They did make a proposal for what became the New Adventures of He-Man, but they'd either collapsed beforehand or it wasn't picked up in time to save the company.

Quote from: palaeomerus on August 11, 2021, 02:26:02 AM

Quote from: Doc Sammy on August 07, 2021, 02:56:41 PM
The new She-Ra and Kevin Smith's He-Man both suck donkey balls. The original She-Ra and He-Man shows from the 1980's sucked too. There, I said it.

Kevin Smith hasn't made a good movie since Clerks II and maybe Red State.

I think one can make a pretty good case than in absolute quality Filmation sucked. The whole idea of the company was to do beyond the Ruby-Spears/70s Hana-Barbera levels of dog shit cheapness and give the Jay Ward folks a run for their money. Filmation did do some Live Action Stuff apart from their animation. The thing is, the one time they spent real money for the Pirates of Dark Water it seems like it killed the company which is why Mattel had to bring in a new animator for their sequel show where He-Man had a pony tail and Skeletor was on a new planet in the distant future hanging out with some mutant scofflaws.

Edit : NVM Pirates of DarkWater was a DIC + Hana-Babera joint. Filmation must have imploded all on their own. Maybe they imploded after they brought back their Original Ghostbusters as a cartoon.

(https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-Jdpm62Lba18/X4uVpcLwmHI/AAAAAAAACw8/a5O8sKJQOfonc-R_vK4slCTfHWsYrSJlgCLcBGAsYHQ/s600/The-Ghost-Busters-1975-Canceled-Too-Soon.jpg)

Not everything Filmation did was awful. (See Freedom Force) That lady on Jason of Star Command was quite attractive.

(https://nostalgiacentral.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/06/starcommand2.jpg)

Is that Jimmy fucking Doohan on the left in that pic?

Yes it is

I loved Jason of Star Command. I liked the Filmation Flash Gordon series. I even liked the original He-Man, for what it was.

(The 2002 reboot was really good. I need to finish it someday.)

MOTU Revelation drops out of Netflix top 10 after a few days. All the show had going for it was fleeting internet outrage.

Quote from: Ratman_tf on August 12, 2021, 06:11:31 AM
MOTU Revelation drops out of Netflix top 10 after a few days. All the show had going for it was fleeting internet outrage.

It happened after only two or three days. It just dropped out of sight like a rock.

I tried to watch it with an open mind but I reached only half-way the third episode. It is just bad. The animation is aggressively bad. The characters are malformed (*), the dialogue is as banal as it gets... There are no backgrounds (Eternia does seem to be a barren planet sparsely dotted by places where the action happens), no sense of wonder... Even Mark Hamill phones in Skeletor as a lazy version of his Joker (and this is the first time I hear Hamill phone in a voice over job).

There are five more episodes planned. According to some rumbles Netflix is tinkering with them. We will see, but I not going to bother. Even with He-Man this would have been a bad He-Man show.

(*) Regarding the bad anatomies seen in the show, Netflix declared that "After examples like Gal Gadot's Wonder Woman the modern public wants to see realistic heroes!!" Again, they are lying through their teeth. The original show from the '80s employed both male and female athletes who acted out the various scenes, then rotoscoped the characters on their movements. There are making of videos on Youtube. That was as realistic (and advanced) as it gets.

Truth is, the original portrayals were used for the toy line. Due to the usual "rights brouhaha" that happens over the decades ("Star Trek" is a prime example), the rights to that toy line do not belong anymore to Mattel but to Universal. Mattel however still retains the rights to new shows and new toys. When this happens there is the "25% difference" rule: your new contents must be at least 25% different from the original. What "25%" of a creative issue means is usually up in the air. In this case they got around it by re-creating unrealistic anatomies and then trying to heavy gaslight the fans about the truth.

Quote from: Reckall on August 12, 2021, 09:21:01 AM
It happened after only two or three days. It just dropped out of sight like a rock.

I tried to watch it with an open mind but I reached only half-way the third episode. It is just bad. The animation is aggressively bad. The characters are malformed (*), the dialogue is as banal as it gets... There are no backgrounds (Eternia does seem to be a barren planet sparsely dotted by places where the action happens), no sense of wonder... Even Mark Hamill phones in Skeletor as a lazy version of his Joker (and this is the first time I hear Hamill phone in a voice over job).

There are five more episodes planned. According to some rumbles Netflix is tinkering with them. We will see, but I not going to bother. Even with He-Man this would have been a bad He-Man show.

(*) Regarding the bad anatomies seen in the show, Netflix declared that "After examples like Gal Gadot's Wonder Woman the modern public wants to see realistic heroes!!" Again, they are lying through their teeth. The original show from the '80s employed both male and female athletes who acted out the various scenes, then rotoscoped the characters on their movements. There are making of videos on Youtube. That was as realistic (and advanced) as it gets.

I gotta look those up. Might be fascinating to watch.

QuoteTruth is, the original portrayals were used for the toy line. Due to the usual "rights brouhaha" that happens over the decades ("Star Trek" is a prime example), the rights to that toy line do not belong anymore to Mattel but to Universal. Mattel however still retains the rights to new shows and new toys. When this happens there is the "25% difference" rule: your new contents must be at least 25% different from the original. What "25%" of a creative issue means is usually up in the air. In this case they got around it by re-creating unrealistic anatomies and then trying to heavy gaslight the fans about the truth.

Fucking Paramount, man. They license out the Star Trek IP piecemeal, like one of those fucked up 'freemium' mobile or online games where you have to pay extra for more options.

Quote from: Reckall on August 12, 2021, 09:21:01 AM
Truth is, the original portrayals were used for the toy line. Due to the usual "rights brouhaha" that happens over the decades ("Star Trek" is a prime example), the rights to that toy line do not belong anymore to Mattel but to Universal. Mattel however still retains the rights to new shows and new toys. When this happens there is the "25% difference" rule: your new contents must be at least 25% different from the original. What "25%" of a creative issue means is usually up in the air. In this case they got around it by re-creating unrealistic anatomies and then trying to heavy gaslight the fans about the truth.

  I'm not so sure about that; Mattel has been able to recreate the original toys with added articulation for the Origins line, to the point that in screenshots, it's possible to mistake some of the Origins toys for the originals if they're positioned 'right'. There are some issues with the MotU rights, and rumors that Mattel sold them off in the mid-90s but has a license that expires in a couple of years. The original messiness goes back to the independence of the Filmation cartoon, which had surprising freedom from Mattel (it's why Stinkor never showed up in that series) and rights over their own characters--Orko was only allowed to show up as a toy and in the mini-comics due to special arrangements with Filmation, and his original toy even has a Copyright Filmation stamp on it.

Those curious about how Netflix/Mattel acted can start from this mini-documentary by Midnight's Edge:

It was so bad that even the progressives in my one gaming group thought it was shit.

Just saw a review on Youtube by someone with a Scottish accent.

If this is the future of things then where's a supernova when you need one?



This one is funny and all too true. WARNING: has swearing and other content that's not workplace safe.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gcMTNDTUrBo

Quote from: GriswaldTerrastone on August 16, 2021, 09:52:03 PM
Just saw a review on Youtube by someone with a Scottish accent.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gcMTNDTUrBo

The Critical Drinker. He is always funny, intelligent and as anti-Woke as it gets ;D His YT channel is full of gems.

Quote from: Reckall on August 17, 2021, 05:42:36 AM

Quote from: GriswaldTerrastone on August 16, 2021, 09:52:03 PM
Just saw a review on Youtube by someone with a Scottish accent.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gcMTNDTUrBo

The Critical Drinker. He is always funny, intelligent and as anti-Woke as it gets ;D His YT channel is full of gems.

After seeing what they did with Teela and other female characters everywhere I stand by my art and politically incorrect comments on this website.

Would ya stop saying Netflix is gaslighting? They're lying, plain and simple. Gaslighting is an abuse tactic where an abuser tries to convince someone they're insane.

Quote from: BoxCrayonTales on August 18, 2021, 08:12:53 AM
Would ya stop saying Netflix is gaslighting? They're lying, plain and simple. Gaslighting is an abuse tactic where an abuser tries to convince someone they're insane.

"Gaslighting is a form of psychological abuse where a person or group makes someone question their sanity, perception of reality, or memories."

Netflix is lying and gaslighting (I guess that gaslighting implies lying). I think that this is a case of "perception of reality". Our new design is more realistic! You can take that to the bank!

In the documentary I linked they interview Arnold Schwarzenegger about "good bodybuilding and bad bodybuilding" Schwarzenegger not only appears really angry about bad bodybuilders but he also explains why their practices are incredibly unhealthy and dangerous. White the interview is unrelated to MOTU, they show examples of both male and female bad bodybuilders - which are as lovecraftian as it gets - and the new MOTU does seem rotoscoped on those.

The most interesting point that Schwarzenegger makes about bad bodybuilders is how their movements become extremely limited. Your hypertrophic body becomes your prison. Again, he was not speaking about MOTU, but, if we accept his expert opinion, you can't have characters based on bad bodybuilders who tumble and jump and pirouette like a D&D fighter with DEX 18. The overall result is that there is no way in hell that MOTU:R characters are "realistic".

Sorry, Netflix. My perception of reality... well, I can't claim that it is perfect, but it was not changed by you.

  Body building and *realism* even when concerning the freedom crushing spawn of a Nazi,  is relative.   They are LOADED with drugs, male and female and nothing they do in so far as muscle mass/size/overall look is realistic at all.  So attempting to say Teela is *realistic* in a warrior woman sense is fucktarded.  Now if we are going to say loaded on steroids = realistic, I guess maybe?  Eternia must have a pharmacy somewhere.

Quote from: oggsmash on August 18, 2021, 09:05:37 AM
  Body building and *realism* even when concerning the freedom crushing spawn of a Nazi,  is relative.   They are LOADED with drugs, male and female and nothing they do in so far as muscle mass/size/overall look is realistic at all.  So attempting to say Teela is *realistic* in a warrior woman sense is fucktarded.  Now if we are going to say loaded on steroids = realistic, I guess maybe?  Eternia must have a pharmacy somewhere.

You didn't think they kept Orko around solely for comic relief, right? He's their dealer :)

Quote from: oggsmash on August 18, 2021, 09:05:37 AM
Now if we are going to say loaded on steroids = realistic, I guess maybe?  Eternia must have a pharmacy somewhere.

Remember that Schwarzenegger went from "King Bodybuilder" to playing Conan. This means that his approach to bodybuilding still left him with his natural agility.

The point that he makes in his brief but very interesting clip is that extreme bodybuilders can just stumble around. You can pump Teela with "magical elixirs and alchemical cocktails" - just show me she going around like Robocop ::)

Quote from: Ghostmaker on August 18, 2021, 09:25:31 AM

Quote from: oggsmash on August 18, 2021, 09:05:37 AM
  Body building and *realism* even when concerning the freedom crushing spawn of a Nazi,  is relative.   They are LOADED with drugs, male and female and nothing they do in so far as muscle mass/size/overall look is realistic at all.  So attempting to say Teela is *realistic* in a warrior woman sense is fucktarded.  Now if we are going to say loaded on steroids = realistic, I guess maybe?  Eternia must have a pharmacy somewhere.

You didn't think they kept Orko around solely for comic relief, right? He's their dealer :)

  Which could be plausible if Teela had been around Orko while she got jacked, but I think she was off doing her own thing during that time.   I guess the years and years of training in the palace under her father didnt catch traction for the GAINZ the way wandering the world with an erratic schedule for training/working/eating did.

Quote from: Reckall on August 18, 2021, 09:44:31 AM

Quote from: oggsmash on August 18, 2021, 09:05:37 AM
Now if we are going to say loaded on steroids = realistic, I guess maybe?  Eternia must have a pharmacy somewhere.

Remember that Schwarzenegger went from "King Bodybuilder" to playing Conan. This means that his approach to bodybuilding still left him with his natural agility.

The point that he makes in his brief but very interesting clip is that extreme bodybuilders can just stumble around. You can pump Teela with "magical elixirs and alchemical cocktails" - just show me she going around like Robocop ::)

   He also dropped significantly regarding his size and muscle mass to play Conan.  As for natural agility...he is agile compared to bodybuilders.   That is what it is.   I agree with him though, that the modern bodybuilders are insane, his generation was more concerned with a classic look instead of mass for its own sake.  His generation also lacked some of the drugs the nuts have now.  Either way, without steroids arnold still is never that big.

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Quote from: BoxCrayonTales on August 18, 2021, 08:12:53 AM
Would ya stop saying Netflix is gaslighting? They're lying, plain and simple. Gaslighting is an abuse tactic where an abuser tries to convince someone they're insane.

"Gaslighting is a form of psychological abuse where a person or group makes someone question their sanity, perception of reality, or memories."

Netflix is lying and gaslighting (I guess that gaslighting implies lying). I think that this is a case of "perception of reality". Our new design is more realistic! You can take that to the bank!

Okay. I think the word has become overused on social media for deceptive practices generally.

I modeled female muscler-goons on actual muscle-bound women I've seen (and sadly cannot forget) and trends like that stupid half-shaved head look. Not to mention ugly tattoos.

This was a couple of decades ago.

It's disturbing when a dystopian fiction becomes more mainstream and acceptable.

If you think the new "He-Man" is bad, get a load at what they did to She-Ra:


Go to 9:20

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1dDPD6gvhHQ

Quote from: GriswaldTerrastone on August 23, 2021, 08:01:14 PM
If you think the new "He-Man" is bad, get a load at what they did to She-Ra:


Go to 9:20

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1dDPD6gvhHQ

LOL, I remember looking at that and going... 'is that supposed to be a girl or a boy?'.

The whole sequence reminded me of an anime version of that animated scene from the second "Brady Bunch" movie. Only without the funny.

Quote from: GriswaldTerrastone on August 23, 2021, 08:01:14 PM
If you think the new "He-Man" is bad, get a load at what they did to She-Ra:

  Oh, don't mention 'She-Ra' and the Princesses of P*. You'll be taking your life into your own hands--not from us, but from the fanbase who will not tolerate any hint of criticism of their teen melodrama/representation parade.

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Quote from: GriswaldTerrastone on August 23, 2021, 08:01:14 PM
If you think the new "He-Man" is bad, get a load at what they did to She-Ra:

  Oh, don't mention 'She-Ra' and the Princesses of P*. You'll be taking your life into your own hands--not from us, but from the fanbase who will not tolerate any hint of criticism of their teen melodrama/representation parade.

Don't forget that it romanticizes abusive relationships and arbitrarily forgives war criminals. The showrunner Noelle Stevenson has a severely fucked up childhood (her parents were homophobic bigots), relationships (her wife cheated on her with a man), and identity issues (she identifies as I'm not sure and had a double breast amputation), which really shows in the cartoon. You should check out the kiwifarms thread for the full horrifying details.

I'm sure they're not done yet! What's next, Smurfs, Thundercats?

Quote from: FelixGamingX1 on August 24, 2021, 03:08:57 PM
I'm sure they're not done yet! What's next, Smurfs, Thundercats?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ThunderCats_Roar
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Smurfs_(film)

Quote from: BoxCrayonTales on August 24, 2021, 03:15:19 PM

Quote from: FelixGamingX1 on August 24, 2021, 03:08:57 PM
I'm sure they're not done yet! What's next, Smurfs, Thundercats?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ThunderCats_Roar
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Smurfs_(film)

Wow! Thundercats Roar is cringetopia cringe.

Quote from: FelixGamingX1 on August 24, 2021, 03:18:53 PM

Quote from: BoxCrayonTales on August 24, 2021, 03:15:19 PM

Quote from: FelixGamingX1 on August 24, 2021, 03:08:57 PM
I'm sure they're not done yet! What's next, Smurfs, Thundercats?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ThunderCats_Roar
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Smurfs_(film)

Wow! Thundercats Roar is cringetopia cringe.

  Ordered my son the Thundarr the Barbarian disc set.   He thinks it, and the 80's were amazing.

Quote from: oggsmash on August 24, 2021, 03:35:28 PM

Quote from: FelixGamingX1 on August 24, 2021, 03:18:53 PM

Quote from: BoxCrayonTales on August 24, 2021, 03:15:19 PM

Quote from: FelixGamingX1 on August 24, 2021, 03:08:57 PM
I'm sure they're not done yet! What's next, Smurfs, Thundercats?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ThunderCats_Roar
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Smurfs_(film)

Wow! Thundercats Roar is cringetopia cringe.

  Ordered my son the Thundarr the Barbarian disc set.   He thinks it, and the 80's were amazing.

Golden age 80s and 90s, glad I got to experience almost two whole decades of it. At least old classics like Space Ghost remain untouched. Coast to Coast was alright, but as a kid I got to watch the original ones and honestly there's no comparison to today's cartoons.

Quote from: oggsmash on August 24, 2021, 03:35:28 PM
  Ordered my son the Thundarr the Barbarian disc set.   He thinks it, and the 80's were amazing.

Interesting. My son found 80's cartoons like the D&D cartoon and GI Joe very underwhelming when I showed them to him, though he never saw Thundarr specifically. His favorites growing up were Looney Toons along with The Tick, Batman: The Animated Series and Justice League - though as a teen his favorite is Steven Universe. I think the comic series hooked him mostly because they were aimed at comics fans, and they didn't do very well with kids who weren't already into comics.

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Quote from: oggsmash on August 24, 2021, 03:35:28 PM
  Ordered my son the Thundarr the Barbarian disc set.   He thinks it, and the 80's were amazing.

Interesting. My son found 80's cartoons like the D&D cartoon and GI Joe very underwhelming when I showed them to him, though he never saw Thundarr specifically. His favorites growing up were Looney Toons along with The Tick, Batman: The Animated Series and Justice League - though as a teen his favorite is Steven Universe. I think the comic series hooked him mostly because they were aimed at comics fans, and they didn't do very well with kids who weren't already into comics.

I have not tried the D&D cartoon, he didnt care for GI Joe at all.  Thundarr is more D&D than the D&D cartoon IMO.

Thundarr was a standout among Saturday morning cartoons when it was on the air, and it has aged well. The post-apocalyptic setting helps keep it from seeming dated. Plus, design work from Jack Kirby didn't hurt either.

I also bought the DVDs, and they lived up to my memories of the show. Not many Saturday morning cartoons do. Thundarr, Johnny Quest, Spider-Man and his Amazing Friends, maybe the two original seasons of Scooby-Doo.