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Author Topic: Would DnD Next have OGL?  (Read 5630 times)

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« on: February 14, 2014, 04:20:58 PM »
This is something I generally curious about.  Will DnD Next do OGL, or some thing similar to that?

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« Reply #1 on: February 14, 2014, 05:44:09 PM »
There are two 3rd parties who said yes, they were told it will be OGL.

However both said they shouldn't have said that, they were not allowed to mention it.  And, they said it was based on what they were told (directly from WOTC, high up) very early on and it's possible things have changed since they were told that.

So until it's in black and white for everyone to read, we cannot know for certainty.  But, signs looks good.

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« Reply #2 on: February 14, 2014, 05:52:27 PM »
That's the thing I don't get - if it is, why is it such a big secret? For 3rd edition, it was a part of the marketing plan.

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« Reply #3 on: February 14, 2014, 06:18:40 PM »
If they just say it there might be a actual be people who want to make modules for the game, or more add-ons such as races.  Yeah I know OGL had its flops, but it also had its successes.  OGL is nothing, but a good thing as far as I am concern.  If they just announce it their business might improve.

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« Reply #4 on: February 14, 2014, 06:34:35 PM »
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This is something I generally curious about.  Will DnD Next do OGL, or some thing similar to that?


I would be happily shocked if they did.
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« Reply #5 on: February 14, 2014, 06:43:13 PM »
Probably locked up in legal wordings for some reason.

Or they want their product out first before the competition storms in.

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« Reply #6 on: February 14, 2014, 09:39:25 PM »
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Probably locked up in legal wordings for some reason.

Or they want their product out first before the competition storms in.


Or a new mold has appeared that seriously dampens the business-sense of people in the Pacific Northwest...

Or greed. Seriously, it's about money. Big Hasbro money. Unless someone can prove they will make record profits by making 5e OGL, it's not going to happen. The GSL debacle is proof. Hasbro will ooze in, fire/kill/destroy any idealists, and ooze away with all known copies of any OGL...

I may be wrong, which would be fantastic for those who want to make products for DD5e. Don't hold your breath.

Also, who cares? Look at the avalanche of great OSR and OSR-like stuff coming out. Most of them are compatible with each other, easy to hack/customize, and by my readings, dripping with creativity. You can't bury the OGL now, it has a life of its own! You can play any edition of D&D you like, with oodles of suggestions for house-rules (various OSR clones), and it keeps on coming.

Personally, I would like to see Hasbro license D&D to a core group of real enthusiasts or take a long break. Keep the previous editions in print (including 4e) and then fuck off for the love of the hobby. For Gygax's sake we have ENWorld and theRPGsite, we don't even need an official site!

It seems we're getting stuff that's more creative and fun to play anyhoos. Paizo has the 3.x market (competently and beautifully) in hand. We don't need a new D&D. It's reached the "who cares" point. 5e will be stillborn. I can't imagine anyone noticing when it happens.

Is anyone really waiting on baited breath for this edition? It just seems like an expensive non-event to me.
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« Reply #7 on: February 14, 2014, 09:43:21 PM »
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Or a new mold has appeared that seriously dampens the business-sense of people in the Pacific Northwest...

Or greed. Seriously, it's about money. Big Hasbro money. Unless someone can prove they will make record profits by making 5e OGL, it's not going to happen. The GSL debacle is proof. Hasbro will ooze in, fire/kill/destroy any idealists, and ooze away with all known copies of any OGL...

I may be wrong, which would be fantastic for those who want to make products for DD5e. Don't hold your breath.

Also, who cares? Look at the avalanche of great OSR and OSR-like stuff coming out. Most of them are compatible with each other, easy to hack/customize, and by my readings, dripping with creativity. You can't bury the OGL now, it has a life of its own! You can play any edition of D&D you like, with oodles of suggestions for house-rules (various OSR clones), and it keeps on coming.

Personally, I would like to see Hasbro license D&D to a core group of real enthusiasts or take a long break. Keep the previous editions in print (including 4e) and then fuck off for the love of the hobby. For Gygax's sake we have ENWorld and theRPGsite, we don't even need an official site!

It seems we're getting stuff that's more creative and fun to play anyhoos. Paizo has the 3.x market (competently and beautifully) in hand. We don't need a new D&D. It's reached the "who cares" point. 5e will be stillborn. I can't imagine anyone noticing when it happens.

Is anyone really waiting on baited breath for this edition? It just seems like an expensive non-event to me.


Yet this is the same Hasbro that inexplicably greenlit WOTC to ressurrect their failed Battle Masters CCG and blow who knows how much on a cartoon series. Yet Next gets what? Nada so far.

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« Reply #8 on: February 14, 2014, 10:52:07 PM »
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I would be happily shocked if they did.


I think it would be wise.  It might attract support from 3rd parties, build back up goodwill, and they already have let much of the key material from the D&D brand out with the 3E OGL.

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« Reply #9 on: February 14, 2014, 11:05:42 PM »
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I would be happily shocked if they did.


I'm really hoping they are, and not just because I'm doing a Next superdungeon ;)


Also, on an unrelated note, your avatar is who I play almost all the time, and I play MoM every couple of days :D
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« Reply #10 on: February 15, 2014, 02:50:34 AM »
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I think it would be wise.  It might attract support from 3rd parties, build back up goodwill, and they already have let much of the key material from the D&D brand out with the 3E OGL.


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I'm really hoping they are, and not just because I'm doing a Next superdungeon ;)


Despite my pessimism, I think they hurt themselves more by not putting one out.  I want them to prove me wrong on thinking they won't.  I also think they should put it out with a "real" open license, but that's a horse that I've already helped beat to death in the past.

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Also, on an unrelated note, your avatar is who I play almost all the time, and I play MoM every couple of days :D


I have probably spent more of my computer gaming life in MoM than all other games I play combined.  It is still my favorite computer game.  I have actually purchased copies of it 3 times (3.5, CD, and GoG) just to ensure I will have it for as long as possible.  Despite the avatar (which I do often take)I have a slight preference for green or white spellbooks with halflings, though at this point I've tried more or less everything I can think of or have read about.
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« Reply #11 on: February 15, 2014, 01:06:54 PM »
You all know that I could come up with a 'clone' of the playtest rules next week using the current SRD, right?  The only thing I am not sure of is the new way they do feats -- but I could always use the old way they do feats and label them optional.  Done.
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« Reply #12 on: February 15, 2014, 01:08:35 PM »
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You all know that I could come up with a 'clone' of the playtest rules next week using the current SRD, right?  The only thing I am not sure of is the new way they do feats -- but I could always use the old way they do feats and label them optional.  Done.


I'm actually surprised more people haven't.  The SRD essentially gave D&D to the fanbase.
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« Reply #13 on: February 15, 2014, 01:08:42 PM »
You guys are arguing about OGL the new rules, yes or no, when the cat is already out of the bag.  That's why I think it will be released under the OGL.  It already is.
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« Reply #14 on: February 15, 2014, 01:45:35 PM »
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You guys are arguing about OGL the new rules, yes or no, when the cat is already out of the bag.  That's why I think it will be released under the OGL.  It already is.


Well, they didn't release 4th ed under an OGL even though it could be derived in it's entirety from the existing OGL.  And OGL is a separate thing from an STL.

No one technically needed the OGL, game mechanics are uncopyrightable, only their specific expression.  Their was an industry of D&D knockoffs well before the SRD

There is still some benefit to an OGL providing a safe harbor.
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