We all saw it comming, well it's here. WotC is ruining the Drow to please all of the people who HATE D&D.

https://archive.is/qnvuD

Lorendrow sounds like a cheap beer.

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Wait, wasn't the point that the Drow were corrupted elves in the first place? Now we have corrupted Drow, which just adds a step to appease the "progressive" gamers. 

QuoteYou might also travel far to the south, where the genteel Lorendrow, or "Greenshadow Elves" live a life of the kind of environmental harmony that would give a Republican a coronary.

QuoteBut with this move to a more broad, diverse perspective of drow, we're getting an idea of what a more inclusive future of Dungeons & Dragons could be like, and honestly, it's about time.

Well, since my D&D books are hard copies from before their major wokification efforts; I guess I'll never notice?  Although, it sucks that they have to try to ruin everything about D&D.  It's as if they want to redefine Everything!!!  Or perhaps, they just want to tear down Everything?  They will never be happy.

The more Elves the better in my opinion.

Now we can have Drow, Snow Drow and Wood Drow.

Quote from: GeekyBugle on May 14, 2022, 12:36:08 AM
We all saw it comming, well it's here. WotC is ruining the Drow to please all of the people who HATE D&D.

https://archive.is/qnvuD

But anything that's a dark color is now waaaacist.

They are also getting rid of everything that's too dark like the night, dark shadows, dungeons, and the dark parts of panda bears. Because if it is 'too dark' that could potentially be seen as 'insensitive' to black folks.

Buy the older, better written stuff, or switch to another game system. 

I'm not a D&D guy.  I started on Palladium Books, and my limited first experience with D&D just made me like Palladium more and avoid D&D.  I just liked the logical Strike/Parry/Dodge system more than D&D Attack/Armor Class/Hit Point system. 

At the very least, house rule your own game to be that way you want it.  Hell, players have done this from the beginning. 

I'll play old school D&D in the form of OSR games.  I even think RPG Pundit's Star Adventurer is the best Star Wars game available.

Money trumps all, so vote with your wallet.  Buy somebody else's products. 

I don't care that much since I pretty much just play OSR/retroclone games but I decided years ago to simply never buy another WOTC product, whether it's something new or even a reprint from DM's Guild.  I've got all my old TSR books, which is all I need if I want to play actual D&D.

More "Reduce everything to a gray meaningless mush" by Wotc.
Why is it so hard for woke people to accept reality?
Some cultures are better than others. Some environments are better than others. Some religions are better than others.
D&D has "RACES" for crying out loud! RACES with different ability score adjustments, movement rates, magical aptitudes, etc.
is it RACIST to be a drow? A people whose lowest ability scores were once all 15!

They really are trying to destroy what D&D was.
The Drow were one of the deadliest foes to have in all the realms.
They were brutal. Their hearts had no room for mercy. Their goddess did not allow weakness.
Somehow, they bred constantly enough to make up for all of the infighting, backstabbing, and assassination...
Their society was a virtual meat grinder.
You lived in constant TERROR or turned your fear into a need to dominate others.
They were EVIL. They practiced slavery, ritual sacrifice, and more all in service to a DEMON-GODDESSS.

I guess they pondered the philosophy questions too much:
what would an evil society be like? would it survive for long?
what would a chaotic society be like? how could it stand?
Could there ever be such a thing?
Would serving a Chaotic evil society as a chaotic evil person, be from their view..? lawful good?
Would that make rebels like D'rzzt, into CHAOTIC EVIL from the drow society point of view?

and the rabbit hole just keeps on going...

Quote from: Persimmon on May 14, 2022, 10:41:49 AM
I don't care that much since I pretty much just play OSR/retroclone games but I decided years ago to simply never buy another WOTC product, whether it's something new or even a reprint from DM's Guild.  I've got all my old TSR books, which is all I need if I want to play actual D&D.

Yep... OSR only.

I remember one drow spy was hit with a "reduce person" or something that made him 8 inches tall.
This drow spy returned to report that he had failed in his mission...
The Drow priestess scooped him up and tossed him out in front of a (to keep the slaves in line) Patrol mounted on giant Lizards.
The lead lizard flicked out it's sticky tongue and swallowed the drow spy whole.

This lizard died when the spell wore off as the body was too big for the lizzard's digestive tract.
The dead spy was very, very, very, dead+1/2 digested.

The drow who discovered the dead spy responded to the gruesome display, by laughing and praising lolth.

This is why I'm writing a scifi setting where the space elves are a satire of leftists. They're so environmentalist that they ban client states from making spears and force them to live on handouts (food, shelter, medicine). Meanwhile the space elves live in dyson spheres with virtual reality.

Quote from: Shasarak on May 14, 2022, 05:30:41 AM
The more Elves the better in my opinion.

Now we can have Drow, Snow Drow and Wood Drow.

Yeah. What I get from the article is that the cult of Lolth drow are unchanged.

This comes down to how one wants monocultural races. I feel like in a setting which is a region of only a smattering of countries like Harn or the on-screen parts of Middle Earth, then monocultural races aren't a big deal. Humans are mostly monocultural as well. But if one has a full Earth-sized globe with radically different human cultures - or a multiverse of many worlds - then monocultural races don't fit well.

I think having options for different cultures of elves is a good thing. When a game world spans everything from arctic tundra to teeming rainforest, I think it's nice to have the option that the elves on opposite sides of the world have varying culture instead of all having the same language, customs, and religion.

All monsters are good on the inside. If you can't see that you're a bigot.

Instances of alleged violence involving monsters are overblown or there was good reason.

Also, the term monsters is inherently biased. Please use the term "differently human" going forward.

Thank you for your cooperation.

Quote from: rytrasmi on May 14, 2022, 02:12:02 PM
All monsters are good on the inside. If you can't see that you're a bigot.

Indeed... Even those warped chaos monsters from WFRP. I know they ate my grandmother's face off and now wear her skin.

But they are not evil just misunderstood.

Quote from: jhkim on May 14, 2022, 01:29:34 PM

Quote from: Shasarak on May 14, 2022, 05:30:41 AM
The more Elves the better in my opinion.

Now we can have Drow, Snow Drow and Wood Drow.

Yeah. What I get from the article is that the cult of Lolth drow are unchanged.

This comes down to how one wants monocultural races. I feel like in a setting which is a region of only a smattering of countries like Harn or the on-screen parts of Middle Earth, then monocultural races aren't a big deal. Humans are mostly monocultural as well. But if one has a full Earth-sized globe with radically different human cultures - or a multiverse of many worlds - then monocultural races don't fit well.

I think having options for different cultures of elves is a good thing. When a game world spans everything from arctic tundra to teeming rainforest, I think it's nice to have the option that the elves on opposite sides of the world have varying culture instead of all having the same language, customs, and religion.

Why am I not surprized to find you arguing for good monsters?