Quote from: DKChannelBoredom;501437Cool. My roleplaying doesn't go that far back, but it was something similiar that I fell for in Vornheim; the tables that could generate stuff like that (twisted plots, colourful npc's, etc) at the roll of few dice.

Please, please buy a 1e Dungeon Masters Guide.  I'm not trying to turn you on to 1e (it's fun! I like it a lot, but it may not be your cuppa) but honestly the Random Dungeon Generator is phenomenal.

With it you can create a whole dungeon underworld and cover it in trappings ("A single broken arrow among a pile of bones", "A foul smell from a dark crevasse, some 30' distant", "the rattling of chains, and nearby sinister laughter", etc. ad infinitum) and populate it with monsters and treasure.  Story is up to you.  But honestly, you can't beat the Dungeon Generator.

They start right here for $3.95.

I'm not saying "1e Uber Alles" (not in this thread...) but I am saying the DMG is one of the most useful "cookbooks" for adventuring you can buy.

Quote from: thedungeondelver;501444Please, please buy a 1e Dungeon Masters Guide.  I'm not trying to turn you on to 1e (it's fun! I like it a lot, but it may not be your cuppa) but honestly the Random Dungeon Generator is phenomenal.

Cool. I'll keep an eye out for one (so much for the stop-buying-so-many-rpg-books resolution). But it's the first edition you are recommending, right? Like mentioned in another thread, I haven't seen that many of them around these parts (Denmark) - I think AD&D didn't kick in here untill 2nd edition and my first touch with the game, was the black bordered 2(½) edition.

Quote from: DKChannelBoredom;501514Cool. I'll keep an eye out for one (so much for the stop-buying-so-many-rpg-books resolution). But it's the first edition you are recommending, right? Like mentioned in another thread, I haven't seen that many of them around these parts (Denmark) - I think AD&D didn't kick in here untill 2nd edition and my first touch with the game, was the black bordered 2(½) edition.

Yeah, 1st edition, by Gary.  Sutherland or Easley cover; contents are the same (Sutherland FTW! but that's a matter of personal taste).  You might consider asking in the forums over at //www.acaeum.com - I'm sure someone on the continent has a "play copy" they'd let go for a few bucks.

I do love me my 2e, but 1e DMG really is the shit. Go get yourself a copy. I use 2e DMG to avoid conversion issues on other minor details (and overall it's not bad), but 1e DMG just has fun tools for brainstorming and world creation.

Quote from: Sacrificial Lamb;498386There's much, much more....but I think you get the point. Or at least someone else here gets the point. You, on the other hand, will piteously cry tears of rage at the thought that someone dared whisper...

....4e is not D&D.

Considering that WotC, creators of D&D 4th Edition, own the trademark, I don't see why that statement would provoke despair. No more than someone insisting that water is not a liquid.

Quote from: Halloween Jack;501525Considering that WotC, creators of D&D 4th Edition, own the trademark, I don't see why that statement would provoke despair. No more than someone insisting that water is not a liquid.

Oh come on.  We all know the distinction between two different kinds of statement here.

Statement A: This is not X.  Purely descriptive in nature.  It's a factual claim, Not X but Y.  An apple is not an orange.

Statement B: This is not X.  It's clearly about Value.  This thing, even though it appears to be X, does not contain what has been considered important or valuable about X in the Past.  

We all know the distinction between the two kinds of statements.  For some reason a very annoying internet tactic has developed where people go about pretending they do not.

Quote from: Dog Quixote;501600We all know the distinction between the two kinds of statements.  For some reason a very annoying internet tactic has developed where people go about pretending they do not.

Agreed. The sad part is, they believe themselves to be very clever playing that shell game, as if no one would notice, or did notice for as long as the trick's been used, for that matter.

Quote from: Rincewind1;501434I did that with Star Wars too, using the old card game.

Somewhere I have notes on a Star Wars SAGA RPG along with the hacked up deck of Original Trilogy playing cards I used.

Quote from: Halloween Jack;501525Considering that WotC, creators of D&D 4th Edition, own the trademark, I don't see why that statement would provoke despair. No more than someone insisting that water is not a liquid.

If Coca Cola starts selling pickles in cans marked as Coca Cola, will you be drinking coke or eating pickles?

Quote from: daniel_ream;501688Somewhere I have notes on a Star Wars SAGA RPG along with the hacked up deck of Original Trilogy playing cards I used.

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Quote from: Rincewind1;501755Post?

Well,the reason I said "somewhere" as opposed to "right here, in c:\users\daniel\Documents\Mostest Kewl STAR WARS gam3 EVAR!!" is I have no idea where the hell my crabbed handwritten notes are.  I playtested it a bit and people seemed to really like it, but that may have been the novelty factor of using cards for everything.  Certainly the SAGA system never caught on generally and all my subsequent SW campaigns were run with D6Legend.

I need to clean out the closet this weekend anyway, I'll keep a weather eye out for it.  Anyone know if there's SAGA system web sites still around?

Quote from: RPGPundit;502214And now, the slamming of 5e may begin.

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No; now we lionize 5e and rail against the shitheads who messed everything up with the changes that came with 6e.

HANDS OFF MY HALF TIEFLING/FEY PURPLE-WORM ELADRIN YOU NEW JACK VIDEOGAME ADDLED JERKS!

Quote from: thedungeondelver;501444Please, please buy a 1e Dungeon Masters Guide.  I'm not trying to turn you on to 1e (it's fun! I like it a lot, but it may not be your cuppa) but honestly the Random Dungeon Generator is phenomenal.

With it you can create a whole dungeon underworld and cover it in trappings ("A single broken arrow among a pile of bones", "A foul smell from a dark crevasse, some 30' distant", "the rattling of chains, and nearby sinister laughter", etc. ad infinitum) and populate it with monsters and treasure.  Story is up to you.  But honestly, you can't beat the Dungeon Generator.

Still thinking of using that to do an "actual play" thread for a random adventure  with narrative elemnts added for flavor, using the overland tables as well as the dungeon tables. I started doing that a few years back and it was actually pretty effective and fun, as a solo project. Had henchment with names and everything. Then the hard-drive crashed, dammit.

Quote from: rpgpundit;502214and now, the slamming of 5e may begin.

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let the beatings begin!!!