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WotC news flash: the slamming of 4E has officially started

Started by Windjammer, November 21, 2011, 12:07:16 PM

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Serious Paul

#45
November 22, 2011, 12:14:45 PM
We'll never reach 500 posts at this rate. :D

In all seriousness I vaguely recall when 4e was introduced that there were people upset over it. I recall buying the 4e books at the time, briefly reading through them deciding that maybe my nephew would like them, and giving them away. I just don't play D&D style games.

if they introduce a 5e, or some sort of equivalent, I think I'll pass. I have enough 3.5e books to sate any fantasy style gaming I might want, and my players are familiar with it. In order to sell me on a new edition or what not they'd have to dig deep into their bag of tricks and get our attention. (Because any game I'll play has to get my players on board.)

Aos

#46
November 22, 2011, 12:21:31 PM
Quote from: Serious Paul;491152We'll never reach 500 posts at this rate. :D


Let me see if I can help with that.

The reason many people dislike 4e is that they are trapped in the past and while viewing the world through their nostalgia goggles cannot recognize 4e as the paragon of cutting edge game design it represents, and instead would rather cling to their outdated  and crappy old games as once they did to their mother's apron strings.
You are posting in a troll thread.

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stu2000

#47
November 22, 2011, 12:47:24 PM
Quote from: Aos;491154Let me see if I can help with that.

The reason many people dislike 4e is that they are trapped in the past and while viewing the world through their nostalgia goggles cannot recognize 4e as the paragon of cutting edge game design it represents, and instead would rather cling to their outdated  and crappy old games as once they did to their mother's apron strings.

Ah--awk--mrphl--
So's you're mom!
Employment Counselor: So what do you like to do outside of work?
Oblivious Gamer: I like to play games: wargames, role-playing games.
EC: My cousin killed himself because of role-playing games.
OG: Jesus, what was he playing? Rifts?
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Aos

#48
November 22, 2011, 12:50:57 PM
I'd rather play WoW and MTG at the same time than play 4e. I mean it's pretty much the same thing right?
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misterguignol

#49
November 22, 2011, 12:55:11 PM
Quote from: Aos;491157I'd rather play WoW and MTG at the same time than play 4e. I mean it's pretty much the same thing right?

OMG why can't you understand that 4e was needed to make fighters a viable character class choice!  In all earlier editions of the game they're just baggage handlers who have nothing to compete with save or die spells!

(Am I doing this right, guys?)

Alternately:

OMG 4e is just a board game to drive sales of minis and pogs.  You literally can't play the game as written without a detailed map that you can only buy from WotC.  They've totally turned the game into checkers.  Also, anime or something.

Aos

#50
November 22, 2011, 12:58:54 PM
Quote from: misterguignol;491158OMG why can't you understand that 4e was needed to make fighters a viable character class choice!  In all earlier editions of the game they're just baggage handlers who have nothing to compete with save or die spells!

(Am I doing this right, guys?)

Alternately:

OMG 4e is just a board game to drive sales of minis and pogs.  You literally can't play the game as written without a detailed map that you can only buy from WotC.  They've totally turned the game into checkers.  Also, anime or something.


It's obvious to everyone that you are a bitter  forgite grognard non gaming fun hater.
You are posting in a troll thread.

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stu2000

#51
November 22, 2011, 01:04:58 PM
Quote from: misterguignol;491158OMG 4e is just a board game to drive sales of minis and pogs.  You literally can't play the game as written without a detailed map that you can only buy from WotC.  They've totally turned the game into checkers.  Also, anime or something.

Anime? ANIME?! GAH
This must be reversed. As we go into 5th ed, I must be consulted!
Employment Counselor: So what do you like to do outside of work?
Oblivious Gamer: I like to play games: wargames, role-playing games.
EC: My cousin killed himself because of role-playing games.
OG: Jesus, what was he playing? Rifts?
--Fear the Boot

Cranewings

#52
November 22, 2011, 01:21:24 PM
I have literally never seen people role play with 4e. I'm sure you can. I knew a group that role played magic the gathering. I've just not seen anyone to with 4e. I personally found the game totally detached.

Aos

#53
November 22, 2011, 01:28:24 PM
Quote from: Cranewings;491162I have literally never seen people role play with 4e. I'm sure you can. I knew a group that role played magic the gathering. I've just not seen anyone to with 4e. I personally found the game totally detached.

Quoted because I wanted to quote something!
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Doom

#54
November 22, 2011, 01:53:06 PM
Quote from: misterguignol;491158You literally can't play the game as written without a detailed map that you can only buy from WotC.  They've totally turned the game into checkers.  Also, anime or something.

By GOD, as written, I say.
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#55
November 22, 2011, 01:59:00 PM
"Entartete Kunst"


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daniel_ream

#56
November 22, 2011, 02:02:29 PM
This thread is made of win.

Quote from: Cranewings;491162I have literally never seen people role play with 4e.

I played a game of 4E once where the GM's girlfriend was trying so hard to actually roleplay and be the Noble Hero cleric and talk to people and everyone else was running around with their gonzo PHB7 race/class combos brawling with each other whenever they got bored.  It was quite sad, really.

I've seen the exact same thing with every other edition of D&D, though, so.
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estar

#57
November 22, 2011, 02:23:17 PM
Quote from: Cranewings;491162I have literally never seen people role play with 4e. I'm sure you can. I knew a group that role played magic the gathering. I've just not seen anyone to with 4e. I personally found the game totally detached.

At convention I refuse to play 4e as a game only. I have a couple of stock personalities I use to roleplay with at Con games. I use my roleplaying to mess around with the adventure in a way that doesn't cause the event to run over time or fail to achieve the objective.  I find that humor to be the most effective approach.

I refereed a handful of 4e games and I made sure that the players roleplayed.

This is a game I ran back in August.

http://batintheattic.blogspot.com/2011/08/gold-star-game-day.html

Quote from: daniel_ream;491171I played a game of 4E once where the GM's girlfriend was trying so hard to actually roleplay and be the Noble Hero cleric and talk to people and everyone else was running around with their gonzo PHB7 race/class combos brawling with each other whenever they got bored.  It was quite sad, really.

I've seen the exact same thing with every other edition of D&D, though, so.

In the end 4e is no better or no worse than any other RPG for roleplaying. It is up the referee to make sure that roleplaying is part of the campaign. If the referee treats it like a boardgame then it how it will feel.

Serious Paul

#58
November 22, 2011, 02:54:31 PM
Quote from: Aos;491163Quoted because I wanted to quote something!

Look pal, quote the stuff that matters. if we all just start quoting stuff this thread will be pandemonium!

stu2000

#59
November 22, 2011, 02:57:39 PM
Quote from: Serious Paul;491174Look pal, quote the stuff that matters. if we all just start quoting stuff this thread will be pandemonium!

QFP!
Employment Counselor: So what do you like to do outside of work?
Oblivious Gamer: I like to play games: wargames, role-playing games.
EC: My cousin killed himself because of role-playing games.
OG: Jesus, what was he playing? Rifts?
--Fear the Boot
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