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WOTC Lawsuit news

Started by GameDaddy, October 17, 2009, 12:10:57 AM

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RPGObjects_chuck

#15
October 17, 2009, 05:29:47 PM
Quote from: Spinachcat;338851The interesting part was the "20M people have played D&D and 6M currently play" across the world.

I would love to see where they got those numbers.   Sounds like highly exaggerated bullshit - even if you exchange D&D for "all paper & pen RPGs".

That's about half the current active player base of WoW.

That doesn't seem patently ridiculous.

Not that I know, or know how Wizards arrived at that number, but if someone said to me "half as many people play D&D as play WoW" I'd say "yep, sounds right".

Philotomy Jurament

#16
October 17, 2009, 05:49:08 PM
Quote from: Girl;338841Too bad they dont give them jail time.
Jail time for something like copyright violation sounds ridiculous, to me.  If the guilty parties make financial restitution, that sounds fine.  Why should taxpayers have to fund incarceration for non-violent criminals when justice can be served by having them make financial recompense?
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ggroy

#17
October 17, 2009, 05:52:09 PM
Quote from: Philotomy Jurament;339004Jail time for something like copyright violation sounds ridiculous, to me.  If the guilty parties make financial restitution, that sounds fine.  Why should taxpayers have to fund incarceration for non-violent criminals when justice can be served by having them make financial recompense?

Some people are filled with vengeance?

Philotomy Jurament

#18
October 17, 2009, 06:34:21 PM
Quote from: ggroy;339005Some people are filled with vengeance?
So let them pay for the jail.  :p
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jswa

#19
October 18, 2009, 01:12:03 AM Last Edit: October 18, 2009, 01:12:34 AM by jswa
Quote from: Narf the Mouse;339000...It's annoying. So many replies I've tried and none of them are helpful.

It's your problem. Deal with it.

That's the best I can come up with.

What

I don't care. I don't play WotC games anyway. Basically I'm just saying that this result has no effect on my piracy habit.

Narf the Mouse

#20
October 18, 2009, 01:46:46 AM
And I'm saying your phobia of 'sweaty nerds' has more to do with your mindset than actual nerds.
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Spinachcat

#21
October 18, 2009, 03:58:17 AM
Quote from: jswa;338993I will continue to download books to flip through them in order to decide whether or not to purchase.

I am not fond of wading through an ocean of sweaty, disgusting nerd flesh in order to check out a product, so I won't.

Except this is bullshit.

I absolutely agree that every book should have either a first chapter or other preview available online.   That is only smart business.   Previewing a book should not be a hassle.

However, there is no "ocean" in any FLGS or bookstore.  Unless a Game Day is happening, I never see more than one or two people browsing a game store, and very rarely browsing the RPG section.

Quote from: RPGObjects_chuck;339002but if someone said to me "half as many people play D&D as play WoW" I'd say "yep, sounds right".

I have a hard time with 50%.  6M worldwide should be at least 3M in the US and I would be surprised the current active gamer population tops 1M.

And when I say "active gamer", I mean "plays once per month"

greylond

#22
October 18, 2009, 09:04:19 AM
Heaven forbid that someone actually goes to a Game Store or Convention and maybe tries out the game by playing a demo before buying it...

jswa

#23
October 18, 2009, 03:01:14 PM
Quote from: Narf the Mouse;339051And I'm saying your phobia of 'sweaty nerds' has more to do with your mindset than actual nerds.

And they rise up to defend their honor!

Mistwell

#24
October 19, 2009, 01:14:55 AM
I believe the number comes from a survey, and the number is not meant to refer to 4e, but all versions of D&D.  In fact I believe they found a ton of people still playing their heavily house ruled 1e games years later.  

This all comes from a thread a couple of years ago, so I may be mis remembering.

Mistwell

#26
October 19, 2009, 04:16:49 PM
Quote from: ggroy;339284It may be from a survey WotC did back in 1999.

http://www.seankreynolds.com/rpgfiles/gaming/WotCMarketResearchSummary.html

http://www.rpg.net/news+reviews/wotcdemo.html

Yeah that looks familiar, thanks.

Ghost Whistler

#27
October 20, 2009, 06:49:40 AM
Quote from: jswa;338993I will continue to download books to flip through them in order to decide whether or not to purchase.

I am not fond of wading through an ocean of sweaty, disgusting nerd flesh in order to check out a product, so I won't.

especially when the book isn't even in the shop to begin with.

without the means to look through the product in this fashion you are certainly denying yourself the means to make a sale. so downloading isn't the negative thing some idiots think it is.
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Ghost Whistler

#28
October 20, 2009, 06:51:44 AM
Quote from: Spinachcat;339078Except this is bullshit.

I absolutely agree that every book should have either a first chapter or other preview available online.   That is only smart business.   Previewing a book should not be a hassle.

However, there is no "ocean" in any FLGS or bookstore.  Unless a Game Day is happening, I never see more than one or two people browsing a game store, and very rarely browsing the RPG section.


 
I have a hard time with 50%.  6M worldwide should be at least 3M in the US and I would be surprised the current active gamer population tops 1M.

And when I say "active gamer", I mean "plays once per month"

the only way to properly preview something is to release the whole thing. that way people can examine what the want how they want rather than just the table of contents and the first two pages of the intro.
"Ghost Whistler" is rated PG-13 (Parents strongly cautioned). Parental death, alien battles and annihilated worlds.

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#29
October 20, 2009, 06:52:14 AM
Quote from: greylond;339096Heaven forbid that someone actually goes to a Game Store or Convention and maybe tries out the game by playing a demo before buying it...

is that always possible?
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