Quote from: King Tyranno on January 12, 2024, 09:29:18 AM
I can actually speak with some authority on this as someone who's still doing an ongoing game for kids aged 10-16. It's all going to be determined by the GM and the group itself. Not the book. And even then, kids are smart. I actually started out with a simple B/X clone with these kids and eventually they demanded more complicated mechanics and more combat. I was running Savage Worlds for a bit and now I'm doing Dark Heresy with them. I even roped them into my ongoing 1:1 Real time SWd6 game and they're loving that too.  They want a systems driven sandbox or I wouldn't do it for them. So there's hope there. More hope for Gen Alpha than Gen Z and Millennials to be honest.

But if WotC teaches the kids how to DM badly then you will end up with a generation or two that grow up to game badly or are put off by the bad DMing they received.

Quote from: Omega on January 16, 2024, 05:58:41 AM

Quote from: King Tyranno on January 12, 2024, 09:29:18 AM
I can actually speak with some authority on this as someone who's still doing an ongoing game for kids aged 10-16. It's all going to be determined by the GM and the group itself. Not the book. And even then, kids are smart. I actually started out with a simple B/X clone with these kids and eventually they demanded more complicated mechanics and more combat. I was running Savage Worlds for a bit and now I'm doing Dark Heresy with them. I even roped them into my ongoing 1:1 Real time SWd6 game and they're loving that too.  They want a systems driven sandbox or I wouldn't do it for them. So there's hope there. More hope for Gen Alpha than Gen Z and Millennials to be honest.

But if WotC teaches the kids how to DM badly then you will end up with a generation or two that grow up to game badly or are put off by the bad DMing they received.

I believe that they will "discover" or "invent" hard GMing and it will be a fad that takes over.  For a while, they will be convinced that the old school gamers were a bunch of softies.  Then they will finally uncover the fact that we knew all along and be mad about it. 

Quote from: Omega on January 16, 2024, 05:58:41 AM

Quote from: King Tyranno on January 12, 2024, 09:29:18 AM
I can actually speak with some authority on this as someone who's still doing an ongoing game for kids aged 10-16. It's all going to be determined by the GM and the group itself. Not the book. And even then, kids are smart. I actually started out with a simple B/X clone with these kids and eventually they demanded more complicated mechanics and more combat. I was running Savage Worlds for a bit and now I'm doing Dark Heresy with them. I even roped them into my ongoing 1:1 Real time SWd6 game and they're loving that too.  They want a systems driven sandbox or I wouldn't do it for them. So there's hope there. More hope for Gen Alpha than Gen Z and Millennials to be honest.

But if WotC teaches the kids how to DM badly then you will end up with a generation or two that grow up to game badly or are put off by the bad DMing they received.

You're giving kids far too little credit and assuming they're all going to be homogeneous. This isn't the case. Let me repeat, the kids in my group demanded I make the game more of a hardcore and sandbox experience. No prompting from me. They wanted it. One of them had been watching some of the various OSR You Tubers and other related channels. And was extolling the virtues of old school gaming to the group when I wasn't around. Those kids then prompted me to make our current game better. So that's when I started doing KotBL using Savage Pathfinder. Just to make it abundantly clear. I was hired as a GM to run games for this group of home educated kids. I tried to do it more like a Critical Role style thing as I thought that's what kids wanted. But then  those kids demanded I run fairly hardcore and combat focused sandbox games.  and now my name is out there and I got good word of mouth there's a demand for my services from other groups of kids. So I'm actually getting a bit booked up for games with multiple groups of people. So I'm probably going to be in a great position to do a tournement style 1:1 real time game of some sort this year. These kids all want the kinds of games I run. And not the alternative as presented by WotC.

I'm not going to say all kids are like this. I'm sure there will be kids who just stick with DnD as prescribed by WotC (for as long as WotC remain in business). But kids have access to the internet and even in this abominably anemic and myopic world can still find alternative opinions and ways of thinking. You'd be surprised how many kids use stuff like Telegram and even go on websites like 4chan. As much as I don't want them picking up bad ideas from the People of Gender who took over /tg/, Gen Alpha is out there. Interacting on the internet and absorbing knowledge so I'm really not worried about them.   

Quote from: yosemitemike on January 09, 2024, 08:36:28 PM

Quote from: Jam The MF on January 08, 2024, 11:39:31 PM

Quote from: David Johansen on January 08, 2024, 09:33:08 PM
In my experience, kids pretty much never played by the book and seldom actualy read the book.  They'll do fine.

They sure didn't play OD&D or AD&D by the book, at many tables.

I remember when I first saw people saying that D&D was sexist because of the cap on exceptional strength for female characters.  My response was, "There was a cap?"  I didn't even notice that at the time.

If I remember correctly, Powers & Perils had a lower roll on women's intelligence. If it were a game of the last ten years the outrage would be something to behold

Quote from: honeydipperdavid on January 08, 2024, 10:44:25 PM

Quote from: RPGPundit on January 08, 2024, 03:35:15 PM
WotC is trying to indoctrinate a whole generation of kids to play D&D wrong, by completely changing the text of "rule 0".
#dnd #dnd5e #osr #ttrpg

I'd rather see you do a "To Catch a D&D Predator" using D&D Beyond LFG Forums.  That forum during covid and D&D was popular was a cess pool of posts like:

-Totally new to D&D, 14+, LGBTQ+ mandatory

posts.  There is no way that child rape did not take place due to D&D Beyond's LFG forum.  I kept reporting that shit when I saw it and they did nothing to stop it.

This is why I stopped playing TTRPGs altogether. No local groups around my area and the online scene has been awful. Laundry lists of trigger words and forbidden stuff and at the same time, mandatory demands.

So, there can be no bigotry or cultural tensions between any kind of civilization, every single sentient creature must love each other and sing holding hands around the campfire. But, everyone has to be bisexual at minimum if not overtly gay.

No living creature can be truly evil, it has to be misunderstood. But, all the churches in the setting have to be portrayed as corrupt and incompetent.

Every single settlement has to be a melting pot. Not just big capital cosmopolitan cities, even remote far off villages deep in the jungle or high up the mountains. Cultures must have some sort of reflection to modern american culture, so no slaves and no human or animal sacrifices or crazy superstitions.

Basically, every place is Hollywood's version of New York and every culture is the 2020 US.

After one too many terrible experiences I just gave up. Perhaps I am just too old at 38 but I loved when tabletop was allowed to have nuance and settings could have their own identity and didn't have to be "current day" in every single aspect.

Quote from: Cipher on January 17, 2024, 12:06:30 AM

Quote from: honeydipperdavid on January 08, 2024, 10:44:25 PM

Quote from: RPGPundit on January 08, 2024, 03:35:15 PM
WotC is trying to indoctrinate a whole generation of kids to play D&D wrong, by completely changing the text of "rule 0".
#dnd #dnd5e #osr #ttrpg

I'd rather see you do a "To Catch a D&D Predator" using D&D Beyond LFG Forums.  That forum during covid and D&D was popular was a cess pool of posts like:

-Totally new to D&D, 14+, LGBTQ+ mandatory

posts.  There is no way that child rape did not take place due to D&D Beyond's LFG forum.  I kept reporting that shit when I saw it and they did nothing to stop it.

This is why I stopped playing TTRPGs altogether. No local groups around my area and the online scene has been awful. Laundry lists of trigger words and forbidden stuff and at the same time, mandatory demands.

So, there can be no bigotry or cultural tensions between any kind of civilization, every single sentient creature must love each other and sing holding hands around the campfire. But, everyone has to be bisexual at minimum if not overtly gay.

No living creature can be truly evil, it has to be misunderstood. But, all the churches in the setting have to be portrayed as corrupt and incompetent.

Every single settlement has to be a melting pot. Not just big capital cosmopolitan cities, even remote far off villages deep in the jungle or high up the mountains. Cultures must have some sort of reflection to modern american culture, so no slaves and no human or animal sacrifices or crazy superstitions.

Basically, every place is Hollywood's version of New York and every culture is the 2020 US.

After one too many terrible experiences I just gave up. Perhaps I am just too old at 38 but I loved when tabletop was allowed to have nuance and settings could have their own identity and didn't have to be "current day" in every single aspect.

Facebook now is the boomer and gen x social media site, there will be D&D groups in your area there and you can use it to find groups.  You can also use Fantasy Grounds to find normie D&D groups, they will be older there. 

And at the rate of how D&D has pissed of its customer base, the flaketards will do just that flake on D&D.  You'll be left with people who want to play D&D not use D&D as some kind of theraphy session for being uncle touched or their parents raised them gender neutral and they are now mentally damaged.

Quote from: Cipher on January 17, 2024, 12:06:30 AM

Quote from: honeydipperdavid on January 08, 2024, 10:44:25 PM

Quote from: RPGPundit on January 08, 2024, 03:35:15 PM
WotC is trying to indoctrinate a whole generation of kids to play D&D wrong, by completely changing the text of "rule 0".
#dnd #dnd5e #osr #ttrpg

I'd rather see you do a "To Catch a D&D Predator" using D&D Beyond LFG Forums.  That forum during covid and D&D was popular was a cess pool of posts like:

-Totally new to D&D, 14+, LGBTQ+ mandatory

posts.  There is no way that child rape did not take place due to D&D Beyond's LFG forum.  I kept reporting that shit when I saw it and they did nothing to stop it.

This is why I stopped playing TTRPGs altogether. No local groups around my area and the online scene has been awful. Laundry lists of trigger words and forbidden stuff and at the same time, mandatory demands.

So, there can be no bigotry or cultural tensions between any kind of civilization, every single sentient creature must love each other and sing holding hands around the campfire. But, everyone has to be bisexual at minimum if not overtly gay.

No living creature can be truly evil, it has to be misunderstood. But, all the churches in the setting have to be portrayed as corrupt and incompetent.

Every single settlement has to be a melting pot. Not just big capital cosmopolitan cities, even remote far off villages deep in the jungle or high up the mountains. Cultures must have some sort of reflection to modern american culture, so no slaves and no human or animal sacrifices or crazy superstitions.

Basically, every place is Hollywood's version of New York and every culture is the 2020 US.

After one too many terrible experiences I just gave up. Perhaps I am just too old at 38 but I loved when tabletop was allowed to have nuance and settings could have their own identity and didn't have to be "current day" in every single aspect.

There's not much you can do about the local scene, but maybe you're looking in the wrong places for Online players. If I was you, and you really wanted to play in or run a campaign, I'd try to find players from places where the pool of players wouldn't be woke. So, here on theRPGsite, the Mewe Inglorious OSR group (or most mewe groups for that matter), the couple of conserative RPG groups on facebook, and select discord servers. And if you're on X, advertising for non-woke players on there, maybe.