Quote from: Broken-Serenity;358098What always pissed me off about wotc's star wars line was the fact they would take frickin years to reprint the books even though people kept asking for a reprint(starships and kotor being the biggest offenders of this) now instead of reprinting them there gonna dump the whole bloody line? well im glad i didnt bother picking any saga edition books up now.

Perhaps even back then (ie. 2007-2008), they probably knew already that the Star Wars SAGA line of books was on "borrowed time".

Lucasfilm most likely had a clause in the contract where they could revoke everything at any moment, which would have forced WotC to do a recall of unsold books and minis.  With such a hypothetical one-sided contract, there probably wasn't much point in doing many additional print runs of secondary SAGA supplement titles beyond the core Star Wars SAGA book.

Quote from: jeff37923;358030Obviously, you had not encountered the previous two failed attempts by WoTC to try and do a Star Wars RPG. Failure was part of the product line.

Not at all, D20 (especially D20 Revised) was a great Star Wars game, the only one I thought was really done right. And it had some truly awesome sourcebooks.

The Saga game had the potential to be good, but I think that was squandered by a combination of being more interested in making it an Alternity-style "Test run" for 4e rather than caring about Star Wars itself, and utterly crappy support afterwards.

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http://www.starwars.com/games/othergames/news20100128wotc/index.html

QuoteAn Announcement about Star Wars RPGs and Miniature Gaming
   January 28, 2010
Today, Wizards of the Coast announced on their website that will not renew their license to produce Star Wars products for their roleplaying and miniature gaming lines. You can read their announcement here.

Wizards of the Coast has produced a library of Star Wars game books since 2001, as well as hundreds of detailed pre-painted plastic miniatures as part of their official product lines. However, the economic downturn as well as the growth of online gaming factored into their decision to discontinue new development, and their license ends in May of this year. There are several releases still on the horizon from Wizards, such as the Masters of the Force miniatures set and The Unknown Regions game book due out in April.

Lucas Licensing continues to see miniatures, roleplaying games and card games as viable and important elements in its Star Wars licensing program, both in digital form (like the recently launched trading card game within Star Wars Galaxies), and in physical products like figures, books and cards. Keep checking StarWars.com for announcements regarding future products in this area in the coming months.

Quote from: RPGPundit;358118The Saga game had the potential to be good, but I think that was squandered by a combination of being more interested in making it an Alternity-style "Test run" for 4e rather than caring about Star Wars itself, and utterly crappy support afterwards.

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I definitely think it was a staging area for some of the ideas that came to pass fully in 4e.  

Personally, I always liked WEG's Star Wars, even when the dice pools got ridiculous.  Of course, you can get the generic Open d6 Space for free, and it wouldn't be much to do a version with the serial numbers filed off.

I wonder if WotC will try their hand at creating their own "in-house" space opera game? Gamma World may be an indication that they're heading towards doing a variety of 4e-based games.

Quote from: ColonelHardisson;358147I wonder if WotC will try their hand at creating their own "in-house" space opera game? Gamma World may be an indication that they're heading towards doing a variety of 4e-based games.

Maybe there will be a 4E version of Alternity or Star Frontiers.

Quote from: ggroy;358148Maybe there will be a 4E version of Alternity or Star Frontiers.

I guess they could revive the names. I don't know how they could use the actual game systems for anything besides inspiration.

Alternity was a pretty distinct system.  I think it would be a name-only sort of thing.  Of course, given 4e's difference in mechanics from the earlier lines, that's really true of about any title.

Quote from: Zachary The First;358123Personally, I always liked WEG's Star Wars, even when the dice pools got ridiculous.  Of course, you can get the generic Open d6 Space for free, and it wouldn't be much to do a version with the serial numbers filed off.

That list is out of date. There's a Legends and one of the older shorter d6 summary books posted. This post gets the updates as they're put online. Since I'm folding Legends into SWd6 1st edition ala the Honor Harrington RPG, having those two docs is really helping. General warning I always give for these freebies: filesize varies wildly and for no fucking reason! A long book can be 5mb while a short no frills book is over 100mb. So I use downThemAll! and queue the whole lot up.

Now if Eric can just post an actual license agreement thingee. Him putting World's #1 D6 Fan or whatever in his sig doesn't help matters or the D6 System when he does his vanishing act.

Saga Edition has been a great line and a much better game system than RCR in my opinion. It even got me to switch from D6 and I didn't think that would ever happen. So kudos to Rodney Thompson and the gang for putting out a good line of product.

The game will live on in actual play.

I think we've seen the last official Star Wars RPG, unless something crazy happens down the road. I don't think anyone other than WotC could pony up for the license.

I kind of figured the line was doomed from the beginning when I realized that not all of the writers cared as much about Star Wars canon as much as the fans. I got into a arguments with some of the devs about stun batons ("They're safe and fun for the whole family" - "Uh, no, they're electrical, and many of them have lethal settings"), Ithorians ("They can bellow and shatter steel" - "No, that's a force power featured in the Clone Wars cartoon, they have never had that"), starships ("We don't care how many guns the ship is supposed to have, we just picked a number"), and a number of other issues. At one point, a WotC mod actually put the muzzle on one of the writers. Crazy, crazy stuff.

There is basically no market for a Star Wars RPG if you don't care about authenticity, however picky, "irrelevant to role-playing," or obscure. Sure, not all the EU stuff is going to fit together, but you pick an interpretation and you go with it. You don't just throw a bunch of wacky stuff together, including bizarro stories from Bounty Hunters and obscure Dark Horse comics, while at the same time failing to crack open the Essential Guides or even, in some cases, to visit the starwars.com db.

On the measure alone, d20 RCR is a better game.

I liked Saga better for most of the game, but will admit, RCR was far better for Starship Combat.

All this said, I think I'll probably pull my "Cinematic d6 Homebrew" out again (mix of d6 & WW's system), and see if I think it makes a playable game.

Maybe ffg will get the license. I can't really think of anyone else anymore than i can think of there not being a star wars rpg.

however i could care less about a miniatures game that made every character you could want to play stupidly rare.

Saga is and was ok for me and my group, and as far as concerning Jedi and the Force my ex-WEG player commented on some pitfalls with the D6 version.
Anways, at least now i know which books to get before the line will be out of print.

Quote from: Casey777;358206That list is out of date. There's a Legends and one of the older shorter d6 summary books posted. This post gets the updates as they're put online. Since I'm folding Legends into SWd6 1st edition ala the Honor Harrington RPG, having those two docs is really helping. General warning I always give for these freebies: filesize varies wildly and for no fucking reason! A long book can be 5mb while a short no frills book is over 100mb. So I use downThemAll! and queue the whole lot up.

Now if Eric can just post an actual license agreement thingee. Him putting World's #1 D6 Fan or whatever in his sig doesn't help matters or the D6 System when he does his vanishing act.

Thanks for the update!