Quote from: Caesar Slaad;684379These sorts of supplements should be approached as tools for the GM to build the world, not a buffet for the player.

Every designer at WOTC and Paizo needs to have a big poster like this in their office, it needs to be stickied on their boards and ENWorld and GITP and TBP. Bra-fucking-vo, sir.

I have used quite a few pathfinder products, and honestly I found most to be usefull.

A few modules were nearly unuseable as written, but I have developed the skill of adjusting modules on the fly; 'fixing the stupid' or more kindly, making it fit the setting smoothly.

There is a lot of good stuff they put out; I just can't stomach dming pathfinder anywore.

Quote from: LibraryLass;684381Every designer at WOTC and Paizo needs to have a big poster like this in their office, it needs to be stickied on their boards and ENWorld and GITP and TBP. Bra-fucking-vo, sir.

I agree pretty much 100% with this statement, and the one it quoted!

(While I don't mind options for the player I prefer them 2e style, as in, bloody spelled out that it's up to the GM what's in his world and what isn't and he's basically asked to modify options to taste. And of course I really really prefer stuff that aids in worldbuilding to stuff that aids in char-op by a factor of millions---wich means D&D has been a bit mean to me for the last decade---)

Quote from: Bill;684386There is a lot of good stuff they put out; I just can't stomach dming pathfinder anywore.

I own a few PF books but haven't played them so the following probably isn't a very strong argument but...it seems to me like a game that's awesome to play, but horrible to GM - probably moreso than 3e even (and yeah I've GMed 3e---damn that was a lot of work---).

Quote from: Bill;684386A few modules were nearly unuseable as written, but I have developed the skill of adjusting modules on the fly; 'fixing the stupid' or more kindly, making it fit the setting smoothly.

Which particular Pathfinder modules would be prime examples of "unuseable as written"?

Quote from: ggroy;684434Which particular Pathfinder modules would be prime examples of "unuseable as written"?

I had to make many changes in all the pathfinder modules for setting considerations, but in addition, some have annoying maps or puzzles no one can ever solve with out being spoon fed by the gm.

I can't recall the names, but the two that leap foremost to mind are a high level 'witchwar legacy' module with an annoying clock puzzle, and one of the 'genie series' modules with maps where it was annoying to see where one level connected to another.

I have used many pathfinder modules and not one could I use as written.
Still useful though.

Quote from: The Ent;684401I agree pretty much 100% with this statement, and the one it quoted!

(While I don't mind options for the player I prefer them 2e style, as in, bloody spelled out that it's up to the GM what's in his world and what isn't and he's basically asked to modify options to taste. And of course I really really prefer stuff that aids in worldbuilding to stuff that aids in char-op by a factor of millions---wich means D&D has been a bit mean to me for the last decade---)



I own a few PF books but haven't played them so the following probably isn't a very strong argument but...it seems to me like a game that's awesome to play, but horrible to GM - probably moreso than 3e even (and yeah I've GMed 3e---damn that was a lot of work---).

Yup. I can play pathfinder but I have no desire to ever gm anything 3X again.

Quote from: LibraryLass;684350Well, it's third party, but I nominate Fursona. Fucking mess. And I say this as someone who would unironically love to play D&D with a bunch of anthro races instead of the usual Tolkien crowd.

Well, it was written by Chris Field, the guy responsible for Black Tokyo (the "Horror Hentai SRD") and that D20 Abortion book in 2007.

Quote from: Libertad;684626and that D20 Abortion book in 2007.

...I beg your pardon?

Pathfinder?

Quote from: LibraryLass;684634...I beg your pardon?

Yeah, what? How could I not have heard of that? I was on rpgnet at the time! When there's no godawful games to freak out about, they invent them there, or recycle FATAL(easily our community's most successful troll of all time)!

Quote from: TristramEvans;684654Yeah, what? How could I not have heard of that? I was on rpgnet at the time! When there's no godawful games to freak out about, they invent them there, or recycle FATAL(easily our community's most successful troll of all time)!

I wasn't there at the time, but considering the amount of old games that get recycled for the hate machine, I'm shocked I haven't heard of this.

Quote from: Archangel Fascist;684299He's nominated all recent Paizo publications and complaining about an as-to-be released book.  The thread is just him saying, "Paizo sucks."

Don't be so fucking insecure over a thread with a slightly jokey opening post.

Here's a good example of me trolling Paizo fans in the past, you fucking kleinfelter goofball.

Now, back on topic, and a little better focused, what books should I avoid if I run a Pathfinder game in the near future?

I will probably go with core books and avoid the Advanced Guides. Are there any things that ought to be particularly avoided in the Advanced books etc?

(Oh, and offtopic, props to Zachary for recommending SORD PF way back when.)

Quote from: TristramEvans;684654Yeah, what? How could I not have heard of that? I was on rpgnet at the time! When there's no godawful games to freak out about, they invent them there, or recycle FATAL(easily our community's most successful troll of all time)!

Choice & Blood is a D20 Modern supplement published as an online PDF.  It presented new classes and feats revolving around abortion politics.

I reviewed it about a month ago for another website.  It was bad.

Not only does Field repeatedly compare abortion clinic workers to soldiers under fire in Iraq, his afterword smacks of egomania where he believes his product will be inspiring to young women wanting to get abortions.

And the editing's atrocious, too.



Back on topic worst Pathfinder book Paizo released was Sargava: The Lost Colony.  Home to many bad feats, such as Monkey Lunge which per RAW cannot do the thing it's supposed to do.  You spend a standard action to increase your weapon's reach, but it's a standard action to attack, meaning that you can only use Monkey Lunge with Attacks of Opportunity.

Huh.

Actually came cross as more boring than offensive.