Quote from: Effete on September 28, 2022, 04:35:13 PM

Pundit disagreed with the last sentence, saying you can never ignore them because they will never ignore you.

I am able to ignore them because I don't use social media so I don't see the crap that they say.  Any SJW/Wokiest who would try to get into my game would be shot down and if they made it in, as soon as they showed signs would be kicked out.

Not giving them the attention they craze is the way to go.  Attacking them is still attention and still draws attention to them and thus what they are fighitng for.

Quote from: Effete on September 28, 2022, 04:49:49 PM
Nobody plays the CORE human. The variant human is chosen quite often from what I've seen. Wokists seem to love tieflings, dragonborn, and dhampir.

I also prefer humans in general, but I also prefer Tieflings and Dragonborn* to dwarves and elves even though I'm as anti-Woke as you'll find because I'm just sick to death of Cargo Cult Tolkein-alike where designers claim some sort of originality in doing what everyone has done before.

So, yes, give me a proud warrior race born from the blood of the first dragon god who once sought to raise an empire to his glory and the tainted ancestors of those who made a deal with the devil to avoid being conquered by the dragon gods' brood and in so doing left infernal scars on all their descendants and shattered the world into a post-apocalyptic wasteland where the surviving humans, dragonborn and tieflings must fight to survive against infernally-twisted beasts, corrupted dragons and shattered things that were once men. Hell, bring on the Puti (winged halflings) as divine agents sent by the gods of light to help champions set the world aright.

At least it's not version #584 of snooty magic forest people and gruff ale-guzzling mine people who have vague fantastic racism against each other while medieval-themed humans from the plains play mediator even as yet another evil overlord raises an army of orcs in the wastes to conquer the world. Oh, and there are Hobbits even though no one likes playing them because if you aren't aping the forms Tolkein created even if you don't understand why he created them then you don't have a proper fantasy world [this is sarcasm for the tonally impaired].

I mean, even TSR knew the formula was repetitive... it's why they started branching out with Dragonlance (Kender, Draconians, Tinker Gnomes, Minotaurs). It's why they created Dark Sun and Planescape.

The Lord of the Rings is a masterpiece that will outlast us all. It doesn't mean that cargo-culting it will make your derivative work a masterpiece.

So, yeah, I want distinct and meaningful races tied to setting lore... just not more Tolkein-alikes.

* and Dhampirs, but only in Vampire the Masquerade where it let's you be adjacent to the themes without having to play an actual monster.

Quote from: Chris24601 on September 29, 2022, 09:15:21 AM

Quote from: Effete on September 28, 2022, 04:49:49 PM
Nobody plays the CORE human. The variant human is chosen quite often from what I've seen. Wokists seem to love tieflings, dragonborn, and dhampir.

I also prefer humans in general, but I also prefer Tieflings and Dragonborn* to dwarves and elves even though I'm as anti-Woke as you'll find because I'm just sick to death of Cargo Cult Tolkein-alike where designers claim some sort of originality in doing what everyone has done before.

So, yes, give me a proud warrior race born from the blood of the first dragon god who once sought to raise an empire to his glory and the tainted ancestors of those who made a deal with the devil to avoid being conquered by the dragon gods' brood and in so doing left infernal scars on all their descendants and shattered the world into a post-apocalyptic wasteland where the surviving humans, dragonborn and tieflings must fight to survive against infernally-twisted beasts, corrupted dragons and shattered things that were once men. Hell, bring on the Puti (winged halflings) as divine agents sent by the gods of light to help champions set the world aright.

At least it's not version #584 of snooty magic forest people and gruff ale-guzzling mine people who have vague fantastic racism against each other while medieval-themed humans from the plains play mediator even as yet another evil overlord raises an army of orcs in the wastes to conquer the world. Oh, and there are Hobbits even though no one likes playing them because if you aren't aping the forms Tolkein created even if you don't understand why he created them then you don't have a proper fantasy world [this is sarcasm for the tonally impaired].

I mean, even TSR knew the formula was repetitive... it's why they started branching out with Dragonlance (Kender, Draconians, Tinker Gnomes, Minotaurs). It's why they created Dark Sun and Planescape.

The Lord of the Rings is a masterpiece that will outlast us all. It doesn't mean that cargo-culting it will make your derivative work a masterpiece.

So, yeah, I want distinct and meaningful races tied to setting lore... just not more Tolkein-alikes.

* and Dhampirs, but only in Vampire the Masquerade where it let's you be adjacent to the themes without having to play an actual monster.

I'm making my own urban fantasy setting with outright heroic vampires who moonlight as superheroes who fight crime and demons. I would have made it into a ttrpg but it's impossible to break into the market due to the insane brand loyalty to a few stagnant IPs that got started in the 80s and 90s, so I'm gonna go into the vastly healthier and more profitable crpg and prose fiction markets.

Quote from: Aglondir on September 29, 2022, 12:52:34 AM

Quote from: jhkim on September 28, 2022, 04:40:53 PM
There is D&D Beyond data from back in 2017 here:

https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/is-your-dd-character-rare/

Jhkim,

That's the old (2017) dataset of 100,000 characters. For a newer (2020) dataset of 30 Million characters:

https://www.belloflostsouls.net/2020/07/dd-and-the-most-popular-class-is.html

Yes, I mentioned that it was older. But that post doesn't display race/class combinations. Are the combos or the raw data available somewhere?

Quote from: GhostNinja on September 28, 2022, 01:58:06 PM
I wonder, really if these SJW's are making any difference.   My group is unaware of this crap going on and no other gamers I speak to are aware either.

I wonder if its a big deal online, but to actual gamers (those of us who are actually playing games) whether it actually has an effect.

Yeah, they are making a difference: no more fixed ASI, for one, Radiant Citadel, for other.

Quote from: Kerstmanneke82 on September 29, 2022, 12:50:19 PM

Yeah, they are making a difference: no more fixed ASI, for one, Radiant Citadel, for other.

Luckily there are other games like the OSR to move to when they eventually destroy D&D

Quote from: Cathode Ray on September 28, 2022, 02:14:16 PM
Weren't the SJW crowd just a few years ago chanting, "Our strength is in our diversity"

It allways goes this way.

They are offended theres not enough diversity!

Then they are offended there is diversity. And get the diverse things removed or downplayed.

Then they are offended there is not enough diversity!

Ad nausium

Something something danegeld, something something dane...

Quote from: Omega on September 29, 2022, 01:49:26 PM

Quote from: Cathode Ray on September 28, 2022, 02:14:16 PM
Weren't the SJW crowd just a few years ago chanting, "Our strength is in our diversity"

It allways goes this way.

They are offended theres not enough diversity!

Then they are offended there is diversity. And get the diverse things removed or downplayed.

Then they are offended there is not enough diversity!

Ad nausium

  Oh, it's very consistent. They want to add certain types of diversity to their own, but at the same time, want to make sure other viewpoints and cultures adapt to support and approve of them ...

Quote from: BoxCrayonTales on September 29, 2022, 10:35:45 AM
... heroic vampires who moonlight as superheroes ...

I see what you did there.

Quote from: BoxCrayonTales on September 29, 2022, 10:35:45 AM
I'm making my own urban fantasy setting with outright heroic vampires who moonlight as superheroes who fight crime and demons.

It's Morbin' time

Quote from: jhkim on September 29, 2022, 11:05:17 AM

Quote from: Aglondir on September 29, 2022, 12:52:34 AM

Quote from: jhkim on September 28, 2022, 04:40:53 PM
There is D&D Beyond data from back in 2017 here:

https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/is-your-dd-character-rare/

Jhkim,

That's the old (2017) dataset of 100,000 characters. For a newer (2020) dataset of 30 Million characters:

https://www.belloflostsouls.net/2020/07/dd-and-the-most-popular-class-is.html

Yes, I mentioned that it was older. But that post doesn't display race/class combinations. Are the combos or the raw data available somewhere?

Don't know. That would be cool, though.

Edit: Hard to believe that the Fighter is the most popular class!

Quote from: Aglondir on September 29, 2022, 07:04:16 PM

Quote from: jhkim on September 29, 2022, 11:05:17 AM

Quote from: Aglondir on September 29, 2022, 12:52:34 AM

Quote from: jhkim on September 28, 2022, 04:40:53 PM
There is D&D Beyond data from back in 2017 here:

https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/is-your-dd-character-rare/

Jhkim,

That's the old (2017) dataset of 100,000 characters. For a newer (2020) dataset of 30 Million characters:

https://www.belloflostsouls.net/2020/07/dd-and-the-most-popular-class-is.html

Yes, I mentioned that it was older. But that post doesn't display race/class combinations. Are the combos or the raw data available somewhere?

Don't know. That would be cool, though.

Edit: Hard to believe that the Fighter is the most popular class!

The vast, vast majority of thise characters are never played and fighter is what most people make when testing D&DBeyond.

Quote from: Slambo on April 11, 1975, 09:38:42 AM
The vast, vast majority of thise characters are never played and fighter is what most people make when testing D&DBeyond.

Slambo,

That makes sense. Explains why the data doesn't match the anecdotal evidence (what I've seen played, which is an extremely small sample set.)

Yeah, 30 million is such a ridiculously huge number that I doubt most have actually been played in any meaningful capacity.