Wizards of the Coast employees are threatening their own company, because Hasbro didn't make any kind of statement in support of abortion.
#dnd #ttrpg #osr #dnd5e
These insufferable twats. Hasbro is a toy company. Of course they won't be outraged about RvW; why on Earth would they want their target demographic being murdered? ;D ;D ;D
If Hasbro opts to dropkick these idiots out, I will be pleasantly surprised.
Quote from: Mithgarthr on June 29, 2022, 06:56:20 AM
These insufferable twats. Hasbro is a toy company. Of course they're they won't be outraged about RvW; why on Earth would they want their target demographic being murdered? ;D ;D ;D
Quoted this one for hitting the nail on the head. Some of those people must not have a fully functioning brain, or maybe enough of the people revolting think they are the target demographic for toys?
Well, considering most of the woke are in arrested adolescence, maybe they think the supply of children is sufficient? :P
Quote from: oggsmash on June 29, 2022, 08:20:44 AM
Quote from: Mithgarthr on June 29, 2022, 06:56:20 AM
These insufferable twats. Hasbro is a toy company. Of course they're they won't be outraged about RvW; why on Earth would they want their target demographic being murdered? ;D ;D ;D
Quoted this one for hitting the nail on the head. Some of those people must not have a fully functioning brain, or maybe enough of the people revolting think they are the target demographic for toys?
They openly said that the situation caused them mental health problems.
From the Twitter account "Wizards for Justice":
On Wednesday, June 29th all employees are encouraged to take a day to reflect, nurture mental health, and show solidarity that Hasbro will not.https://twitter.com/search?q=wizards%20for%20justice&src=typeahead_click
I posted about this in the political forum but my post is still "waiting for approval". In the link I gave:
https://www.cbr.com/wotc-walk-out-hasbro-lackluster-scotus-roe-v-wade-ruling-response/
...There is this reference to a "a controversial email sent to (Sony) employees by (Sony President) Jim Ryan". So I checked and what I found was simply:
Ryan sent an email to PlayStation employees asking that they respect each other's "differences of opinions" on the matter.Nothing else. This guy just asks for respect for each other in one of the most complex and divisive matters out there and he gets plastered. That there can be Sony employees with anti-abortion rights and no one wants a civil war isn't even contemplated. Need for mental health care indeed.
Quote from: Reckall on June 29, 2022, 08:43:36 AM
Nothing else. This guy just asks for respect for each other in one of the most complex and divisive matters out there and he gets plastered. That there can be Sony employees with anti-abortion rights and no one wants a civil war isn't even contemplated. Need for mental health care indeed.
Well, according to those at WotC (https://twitter.com/WizardsJustice/status/1541600380970274817),
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Any messaging that suggests or implies that there are other, valid, opinions and approaches to this further marginalization of already at risk groups, on their bodily autonomy is unnecessary, invalid, and damaging. (4/11)
I was sorely tempted to ask "So will official D&D AL events and Magic tournaments require trampling on a crucifix for participating, or will the opening hymn to Moloch suffice?" ;)
Quote from: Armchair Gamer on June 29, 2022, 09:17:08 AM
Well, according to those at WotC (https://twitter.com/WizardsJustice/status/1541600380970274817),
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Any messaging that suggests or implies that there are other, valid, opinions and approaches to this further marginalization of already at risk groups, on their bodily autonomy is unnecessary, invalid, and damaging. (4/11)
I was sorely tempted to ask "So will official D&D AL events and Magic tournaments require trampling on a crucifix for participating, or will the opening hymn to Moloch suffice?" ;)
That dictum is made even more surreal by what directly follows it:
Such messaging only seeks to protect and validate those that seek to control, and is the wrong direction for any organisation with as diverse a customer base as ours.Somehow "diverse" doesn't include "people with anti-abortion views". According to WotC, if you are anti-abortion you for sure don't play Magic or D&D because... reasons. The level of blind stupidity is astounding.
Quote from: Mithgarthr on June 29, 2022, 06:56:20 AM
These insufferable twats. Hasbro is a toy company. Of course they won't be outraged about RvW; why on Earth would they want their target demographic being murdered? ;D ;D ;D
Hey, it worked for Toys 'R' Us. Wait....
Talk about being fucking clueless.
Why would a company whose large percentage of customer base is children going to make any negative comments about the ruling.
As usual can't get in the way of carefully constructed personal narratives can we.
Hasbro is not going to risk what is probably a large part of the fan base for some truly dumb SJWs.
Asking how well the fast food chains did when the all tried to carry an push a vegan version of burgers and then get back to me.
Quote from: Reckall on June 29, 2022, 09:25:25 AM
That dictum is made even more surreal by what directly follows it:
Such messaging only seeks to protect and validate those that seek to control, and is the wrong direction for any organisation with as diverse a customer base as ours.
Somehow "diverse" doesn't include "people with anti-abortion views". According to WotC, if you are anti-abortion you for sure don't play Magic or D&D because... reasons. The level of blind stupidity is astounding.
If the EN World thread on the topic (https://www.enworld.org/threads/wizards-of-the-coast-employees-walk-out-over-hasbros-tone-deaf-response-to-overturning-of-roe-v-wade.689544/) is any indication, they really do think that not only is their view right (as anyone does), but that no one can have a different view without being actively malign or something similar.
Quote from: Abraxus on June 29, 2022, 11:03:37 AM
Talk about being fucking clueless.
Why would a company whose large percentage of customer base is children going to make any negative comments about the ruling.
As usual can't get in the way of carefully constructed personal narratives can we.
Hasbro is not going to risk what is probably a large part of the fan base for some truly dumb SJWs.
Asking how well the fast food chains did when the all tried to carry an push a vegan version of burgers and then get back to me.
I don't think it's as simple as that. Children are terrible as paying customers. They tend to have very little money. It's the parents who are the customer base. If a mother aborts the 3rd child because they only wanted 2 kids, that's money saved on food, clothes, and daycare that can be spent on toys for the first 2. The broke teenage mom is also not a customer because she has zero disposable income. Maybe her family are customers or maybe not. Maybe they do hand-me-downs. Even the simple fact of more children means more profit should be examined. I bet we all knew an only-child who was spoiled with toys and a poor family with four kids who barely had any. It's a grim calculus to be sure, and maybe you're ultimately correct, but it's not as simple as killing the customer base.
Companies exist to make money. They don't actually care about politics except insofar as it makes them money. They'll say whatever they think will make them the most money. Hasbro is staying silent because they don't care either way and saying anything is likely to lose profits.
Seriously, this policy doesn't affect them in any fashion. The middle class are the ones who buy the most toys and have the least children. The people most affected are not consumers. Hasbro has nothing to gain from publicly stating that they support abortion and plenty of profits to lose from middle class conservatives.
While I generally support progressive causes, I agree that the SJWs are doing more harm than good. What we need to do is balkanize the USA into different countries for different political brackets, such as Galt's Gulch, Wymyn's Land, Jesusland, and Wakanda, and fund the mass exodus of people to the new countries that best fit their political views. I wish there was a better solution, but humans have consistently shown that it's impossible for people of differing belief systems to co-exist without attempting to murder each other.
Quote from: Ghostmaker on June 29, 2022, 07:41:49 AM
If Hasbro opts to dropkick these idiots out, I will be pleasantly surprised.
I wouldn't count on it but that would be glorious.
What I'm really curious about is their one-day walkout strike. Did it end up happening? Who participated?
If anyone has any info on this, and just how many people are thus represented by @wizardsjustice , please let me know, even if in private (your anonymity will be guaranteed).
Quote from: Reckall on June 29, 2022, 08:43:36 AM
Quote from: oggsmash on June 29, 2022, 08:20:44 AM
Quote from: Mithgarthr on June 29, 2022, 06:56:20 AM
These insufferable twats. Hasbro is a toy company. Of course they're they won't be outraged about RvW; why on Earth would they want their target demographic being murdered? ;D ;D ;D
Quoted this one for hitting the nail on the head. Some of those people must not have a fully functioning brain, or maybe enough of the people revolting think they are the target demographic for toys?
They openly said that the situation caused them mental health problems.
From the Twitter account "Wizards for Justice":
On Wednesday, June 29th all employees are encouraged to take a day to reflect, nurture mental health, and show solidarity that Hasbro will not.
https://twitter.com/search?q=wizards%20for%20justice&src=typeahead_click
I posted about this in the political forum but my post is still "waiting for approval". In the link I gave:
https://www.cbr.com/wotc-walk-out-hasbro-lackluster-scotus-roe-v-wade-ruling-response/
...There is this reference to a "a controversial email sent to (Sony) employees by (Sony President) Jim Ryan". So I checked and what I found was simply:
Ryan sent an email to PlayStation employees asking that they respect each other's "differences of opinions" on the matter.
Nothing else. This guy just asks for respect for each other in one of the most complex and divisive matters out there and he gets plastered. That there can be Sony employees with anti-abortion rights and no one wants a civil war isn't even contemplated. Need for mental health care indeed.
I saw your post on the RPGPundit's forum, but it was when I was already uploading this video. Since the two threads would have been repetitive, I didn't approve it.
Quote from: rytrasmi on June 29, 2022, 11:44:28 AM
Quote from: Abraxus on June 29, 2022, 11:03:37 AM
Talk about being fucking clueless.
Why would a company whose large percentage of customer base is children going to make any negative comments about the ruling.
As usual can't get in the way of carefully constructed personal narratives can we.
Hasbro is not going to risk what is probably a large part of the fan base for some truly dumb SJWs.
Asking how well the fast food chains did when the all tried to carry an push a vegan version of burgers and then get back to me.
I don't think it's as simple as that. Children are terrible as paying customers. They tend to have very little money. It's the parents who are the customer base. If a mother aborts the 3rd child because they only wanted 2 kids, that's money saved on food, clothes, and daycare that can be spent on toys for the first 2. The broke teenage mom is also not a customer because she has zero disposable income. Maybe her family are customers or maybe not. Maybe they do hand-me-downs. Even the simple fact of more children means more profit should be examined. I bet we all knew an only-child who was spoiled with toys and a poor family with four kids who barely had any. It's a grim calculus to be sure, and maybe you're ultimately correct, but it's not as simple as killing the customer base.
Parents are only customers for as long as they have children. The vast majority of abortions in the USA are unmarried women with no children.
"The vast majority of abortions in the USA are unmarried women with no children."
Well, they certainly don't have children after the abortions...
If the complaint is anonymous I assume it is one person.
Make them list their names. Then you know what to do.
I do feel a bit bad for all these women...err birthing persons....randomly stricken by pregnancy. It seems someone could come up with some sort of way to stop this Pandemic?
Quote from: Reckall on June 29, 2022, 09:25:25 AM
Somehow "diverse" doesn't include "people with anti-abortion views". According to WotC, if you are anti-abortion you for sure don't play Magic or D&D because... reasons. The level of blind stupidity is astounding.
To be fair, I don't play Magic or D&D... because I don't give money to people who hate me.
Quote from: oggsmash on June 29, 2022, 04:11:13 PM
I do feel a bit bad for all these women...err birthing persons....randomly stricken by pregnancy. It seems someone could come up with some sort of way to stop this Pandemic?
;D ;D ;D ;D
We must assemble a team of top minds to tackle this conundrum...
Quote from: Mithgarthr on June 29, 2022, 04:28:46 PM
Quote from: oggsmash on June 29, 2022, 04:11:13 PM
I do feel a bit bad for all these women...err birthing persons....randomly stricken by pregnancy. It seems someone could come up with some sort of way to stop this Pandemic?
;D ;D ;D ;D
We must assemble a team of top minds to tackle this conundrum...
You know what? I bet phizer can probably come up with a shot that prevents it. Then all these poor souls can be fully immunized from ever reproducing.
Quote from: RPGPundit on June 29, 2022, 03:31:31 PMWhat I'm really curious about is their one-day walkout strike. Did it end up happening? Who participated?
Did anyone notice they were gone?
Quote from: hedgehobbit on June 29, 2022, 04:54:54 PM
Quote from: RPGPundit on June 29, 2022, 03:31:31 PMWhat I'm really curious about is their one-day walkout strike. Did it end up happening? Who participated?
Did anyone notice they were gone?
Word on the street is there was a 65 percent spike in productivity that day.
Quote from: Ruprecht on June 29, 2022, 03:52:19 PM
If the complaint is anonymous I assume it is one person.
Make them list their names. Then you know what to do.
Well, the proof of that will be how many people at Wizards didn't go to work today.
Quote from: Mithgarthr on June 29, 2022, 06:56:20 AM
These insufferable twats. Hasbro is a toy company. Of course they won't be outraged about RvW; why on Earth would they want their target demographic being murdered? ;D ;D ;D
Disney's target demographic is children and it didn't stop them from throwing their lot with the woke.
Quote from: Armchair Gamer on June 29, 2022, 09:17:08 AM
Quote from: Reckall on June 29, 2022, 08:43:36 AM
Nothing else. This guy just asks for respect for each other in one of the most complex and divisive matters out there and he gets plastered. That there can be Sony employees with anti-abortion rights and no one wants a civil war isn't even contemplated. Need for mental health care indeed.
Well, according to those at WotC (https://twitter.com/WizardsJustice/status/1541600380970274817),
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Any messaging that suggests or implies that there are other, valid, opinions and approaches to this further marginalization of already at risk groups, on their bodily autonomy is unnecessary, invalid, and damaging. (4/11)
I was sorely tempted to ask "So will official D&D AL events and Magic tournaments require trampling on a crucifix for participating, or will the opening hymn to Moloch suffice?" ;)
Groups?
GROUPS? GROUPS?There's only one group being impacted by this, women, especifically promiscuous women. Except if you count the positive impact on the baby's not being murdered.
I'm betting on Hasbro bending the knee, I might be wrong but somehow I doubt it. In the unlikely event of them not bending the knee they will remain silent.
Quote from: GeekyBugle on June 29, 2022, 06:28:27 PM
Quote from: Armchair Gamer on June 29, 2022, 09:17:08 AM
Quote from: Reckall on June 29, 2022, 08:43:36 AM
Nothing else. This guy just asks for respect for each other in one of the most complex and divisive matters out there and he gets plastered. That there can be Sony employees with anti-abortion rights and no one wants a civil war isn't even contemplated. Need for mental health care indeed.
Well, according to those at WotC (https://twitter.com/WizardsJustice/status/1541600380970274817),
Quote
Any messaging that suggests or implies that there are other, valid, opinions and approaches to this further marginalization of already at risk groups, on their bodily autonomy is unnecessary, invalid, and damaging. (4/11)
I was sorely tempted to ask "So will official D&D AL events and Magic tournaments require trampling on a crucifix for participating, or will the opening hymn to Moloch suffice?" ;)
Groups? GROUPS? GROUPS?
There's only one group being impacted by this, women, especifically promiscuous women. Except if you count the positive impact on the baby's not being murdered.
I'm betting on Hasbro bending the knee, I might be wrong but somehow I doubt it. In the unlikely event of them not bending the knee they will remain silent.
According to a Polygon article that dug into this (https://www.polygon.com/23188223/wizards-of-the-coast-hasbro-abortion-rights-response), it was the lack of public statement and the acknowledgement that other people might have different opinions that outraged the complainants at WotC.
Quote from: GeekyBugle on June 29, 2022, 06:24:42 PM
Quote from: Mithgarthr on June 29, 2022, 06:56:20 AM
These insufferable twats. Hasbro is a toy company. Of course they won't be outraged about RvW; why on Earth would they want their target demographic being murdered? ;D ;D ;D
Disney's target demographic is children and it didn't stop them from throwing their lot with the woke.
I'm not so sure that's their target demographic any more.
I was thinking about this a bit last night. Was watching a video of one of the nicer, more modern designs for Transformers toys, and suddenly thought of something: who's buying this?
Kids? Don't be absurd, they're fuckin' expensive. Plus some of these toys are hard as hell for little fingers to work.
No, my money is on, let's be honest, immature adults. Manchildren.
So I wonder if Disney is really after the 'kid' demographic these days, or if they're courting the immature adult and creeper demographics instead.
Quote from: Ghostmaker on June 30, 2022, 10:56:13 AM
No, my money is on, let's be honest, immature adults. Manchildren.
Manchildren sounds about right.
Not even DINKs, but incel woke Manchildren with excess income (due to their ASD-incel ways).
Quote from: Ghostmaker on June 30, 2022, 10:56:13 AM
Quote from: GeekyBugle on June 29, 2022, 06:24:42 PM
Quote from: Mithgarthr on June 29, 2022, 06:56:20 AM
These insufferable twats. Hasbro is a toy company. Of course they won't be outraged about RvW; why on Earth would they want their target demographic being murdered? ;D ;D ;D
Disney's target demographic is children and it didn't stop them from throwing their lot with the woke.
I'm not so sure that's their target demographic any more.
I was thinking about this a bit last night. Was watching a video of one of the nicer, more modern designs for Transformers toys, and suddenly thought of something: who's buying this?
Kids? Don't be absurd, they're fuckin' expensive. Plus some of these toys are hard as hell for little fingers to work.
No, my money is on, let's be honest, immature adults. Manchildren.
So I wonder if Disney is really after the 'kid' demographic these days, or if they're courting the immature adult and creeper demographics instead.
I worked for Hasbro when My Little Pony was actually fun (adapting the dialogues meant finding all the hidden quotes that no kid could possibly know; I still remember one from "Midnight Cowboy"). It was no secret that the demographic included adults up to 35 years old.
After my job was finished I stumbled into the Hugo Award nominated documentary by Jenny Nicholson about the whole "Bronies" phenomenon (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4fVOF2PiHnc). Let's say that I was glad to see it when I already had moved on.
Quote from: Mithgarthr on June 29, 2022, 06:56:20 AM
These insufferable twats. Hasbro is a toy company. Of course they won't be outraged about RvW; why on Earth would they want their target demographic being murdered? ;D ;D ;D
Exactly!!!
Quote from: Ghostmaker on June 30, 2022, 10:56:13 AM
Quote from: GeekyBugle on June 29, 2022, 06:24:42 PM
Quote from: Mithgarthr on June 29, 2022, 06:56:20 AM
These insufferable twats. Hasbro is a toy company. Of course they won't be outraged about RvW; why on Earth would they want their target demographic being murdered? ;D ;D ;D
Disney's target demographic is children and it didn't stop them from throwing their lot with the woke.
I'm not so sure that's their target demographic any more.
I was thinking about this a bit last night. Was watching a video of one of the nicer, more modern designs for Transformers toys, and suddenly thought of something: who's buying this?
Kids? Don't be absurd, they're fuckin' expensive. Plus some of these toys are hard as hell for little fingers to work.
No, my money is on, let's be honest, immature adults. Manchildren.
As a 52 year old manchild with a toy collection, including Transformers, yes and no.
Something like The Ark (https://shop.hasbro.com/en-us/product/transformers-toys-generations-war-for-cybertron-kingdom-titan-wfc-k-30-autobot-ark-action-figure-15-and-up-19-inch:85795462-7653-4FA1-95E0-EF42D9DF2080) is obviously aimed at adult collectors. And kids with very rich parents. But there's tons of "cheaper" Transformers aimed directly at children, like the Cyberverse Adventures (https://www.amazon.com/s?k=cyberverse+adventures&i=toys-and-games&crid=2AXG11MMO13VR&sprefix=cyberverse+adventures%2Ctoys-and-games%2C117&ref=nb_sb_noss_1) line.
And, I'd like to point out that we're discussing this topic on a message board about a hobby where adults pretend to be elves. :)
Quote from: Ratman_tf on June 30, 2022, 05:56:48 PM
Quote from: Ghostmaker on June 30, 2022, 10:56:13 AM
Quote from: GeekyBugle on June 29, 2022, 06:24:42 PM
Quote from: Mithgarthr on June 29, 2022, 06:56:20 AM
These insufferable twats. Hasbro is a toy company. Of course they won't be outraged about RvW; why on Earth would they want their target demographic being murdered? ;D ;D ;D
Disney's target demographic is children and it didn't stop them from throwing their lot with the woke.
I'm not so sure that's their target demographic any more.
I was thinking about this a bit last night. Was watching a video of one of the nicer, more modern designs for Transformers toys, and suddenly thought of something: who's buying this?
Kids? Don't be absurd, they're fuckin' expensive. Plus some of these toys are hard as hell for little fingers to work.
No, my money is on, let's be honest, immature adults. Manchildren.
As a 52 year old manchild with a toy collection, including Transformers, yes and no.
Something like The Ark (https://shop.hasbro.com/en-us/product/transformers-toys-generations-war-for-cybertron-kingdom-titan-wfc-k-30-autobot-ark-action-figure-15-and-up-19-inch:85795462-7653-4FA1-95E0-EF42D9DF2080) is obviously aimed at adult collectors. And kids with very rich parents. But there's tons of "cheaper" Transformers aimed directly at children, like the Cyberverse Adventures (https://www.amazon.com/s?k=cyberverse+adventures&i=toys-and-games&crid=2AXG11MMO13VR&sprefix=cyberverse+adventures%2Ctoys-and-games%2C117&ref=nb_sb_noss_1) line.
And, I'd like to point out that we're discussing this topic on a message board about a hobby where adults pretend to be elves. :)
Thank you!
Quote from: bromides on June 30, 2022, 02:41:34 PM
Quote from: Ghostmaker on June 30, 2022, 10:56:13 AM
No, my money is on, let's be honest, immature adults. Manchildren.
Manchildren sounds about right.
Not even DINKs, but incel woke Manchildren with excess income (due to their ASD-incel ways).
Kinda like those D&D nerds who can't get laid and spend all their money on game books? ;)
Bronies?
I remember liking the MLP:Friendship is Magic reboot, and even bought some merch... before I heard about all the Bronies.
And that ended my interest in My Little Pony.
Quote from: Ratman_tf on June 30, 2022, 06:28:43 PM
Quote from: bromides on June 30, 2022, 02:41:34 PM
Quote from: Ghostmaker on June 30, 2022, 10:56:13 AM
No, my money is on, let's be honest, immature adults. Manchildren.
Manchildren sounds about right.
Not even DINKs, but incel woke Manchildren with excess income (due to their ASD-incel ways).
Kinda like those D&D nerds who can't get laid and spend all their money on game books? ;)
My biggest household expense is Catholic school tuition for the kids, actually... but I'm also not the target audience for D&D's current incarnation, so there's that.
Quote from: bromides on June 30, 2022, 06:46:19 PM
Bronies?
I remember liking the MLP:Friendship is Magic reboot, and even bought some merch...
Now I think I'm being trolled...
Quote from: Ratman_tf on June 30, 2022, 06:54:09 PM
Quote from: bromides on June 30, 2022, 06:46:19 PM
Bronies?
I remember liking the MLP:Friendship is Magic reboot, and even bought some merch...
Now I think I'm being trolled...
LOL, I fully admit that my tastes are sometimes trash.
In the end, my judgment made me get away from the Brony stuff once I knew it was popular amongst pedos and weirdos.
Quote from: RPGPundit on June 29, 2022, 03:31:31 PM
If anyone has any info on this, and just how many people are thus represented by @wizardsjustice , please let me know, even if in private (your anonymity will be guaranteed).
I would bet it's shit stirrer Jessica Price's account.
Quote from: Chris24601 on June 29, 2022, 04:25:29 PMTo be fair, I don't play Magic or D&D... because I don't give money to people who hate me.
THIS is the way.
Quote from: RPGPundit on June 29, 2022, 03:31:31 PM
What I'm really curious about is their one-day walkout strike. Did it end up happening? Who participated?
If anyone has any info on this, and just how many people are thus represented by @wizardsjustice , please let me know, even if in private (your anonymity will be guaranteed).
Glancing at a few online comments its going to be about what you'd predict. Not many. And those that did were going to be probably circumspect about it. I was actually rather surprised WOTC has so few employees. A mere 1000??? Though I'd bet most are in the CCG side of it.
Quote from: Ratman_tf on June 30, 2022, 05:56:48 PM
Quote from: Ghostmaker on June 30, 2022, 10:56:13 AM
Quote from: GeekyBugle on June 29, 2022, 06:24:42 PM
Quote from: Mithgarthr on June 29, 2022, 06:56:20 AM
These insufferable twats. Hasbro is a toy company. Of course they won't be outraged about RvW; why on Earth would they want their target demographic being murdered? ;D ;D ;D
Disney's target demographic is children and it didn't stop them from throwing their lot with the woke.
I'm not so sure that's their target demographic any more.
I was thinking about this a bit last night. Was watching a video of one of the nicer, more modern designs for Transformers toys, and suddenly thought of something: who's buying this?
Kids? Don't be absurd, they're fuckin' expensive. Plus some of these toys are hard as hell for little fingers to work.
No, my money is on, let's be honest, immature adults. Manchildren.
As a 52 year old manchild with a toy collection, including Transformers, yes and no.
Something like The Ark (https://shop.hasbro.com/en-us/product/transformers-toys-generations-war-for-cybertron-kingdom-titan-wfc-k-30-autobot-ark-action-figure-15-and-up-19-inch:85795462-7653-4FA1-95E0-EF42D9DF2080) is obviously aimed at adult collectors. And kids with very rich parents. But there's tons of "cheaper" Transformers aimed directly at children, like the Cyberverse Adventures (https://www.amazon.com/s?k=cyberverse+adventures&i=toys-and-games&crid=2AXG11MMO13VR&sprefix=cyberverse+adventures%2Ctoys-and-games%2C117&ref=nb_sb_noss_1) line.
And, I'd like to point out that we're discussing this topic on a message board about a hobby where adults pretend to be elves. :)
Heh. Well played. But my point still stands.
Quote from: Spinachcat on June 30, 2022, 10:09:25 PM
Quote from: Chris24601 on June 29, 2022, 04:25:29 PMTo be fair, I don't play Magic or D&D... because I don't give money to people who hate me.
THIS is the way.
;D
Well said, both of you. My chosen way as well.
Quote from: Armchair Gamer on June 29, 2022, 11:15:45 AM
Quote from: Reckall on June 29, 2022, 09:25:25 AM
That dictum is made even more surreal by what directly follows it:
Such messaging only seeks to protect and validate those that seek to control, and is the wrong direction for any organisation with as diverse a customer base as ours.
Somehow "diverse" doesn't include "people with anti-abortion views". According to WotC, if you are anti-abortion you for sure don't play Magic or D&D because... reasons. The level of blind stupidity is astounding.
If the EN World thread on the topic (https://www.enworld.org/threads/wizards-of-the-coast-employees-walk-out-over-hasbros-tone-deaf-response-to-overturning-of-roe-v-wade.689544/) is any indication, they really do think that not only is their view right (as anyone does), but that no one can have a different view without being actively malign or something similar.
My God, the groupthink hivemind over at ENworld is so fucking ridiculous! For any of those people who come over here to see what real forum freedom actually looks like...
ABORTION IS MURDER!!!Of course, everyone is free to disagree with me, but at least I have the right to speak my mind.
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People with different beliefs are not actively malign. I imagine most people on both sides of the aisle are just NPCs who buy the party line and don't think critically about the consequences for policies that are genuinely idiotic and harmful. That's just how human psychology works.
Hasbro *should* have issued a statement in response to those whiny cunts. Something along the lines of "Opinions are like assholes. Now get back to work or you're fired."
When people *don't* give in to the equivalent of a 4 year old throwing a tantrum, they eventually exhaust themselves (like any toddler). The moment you acquiesce, you're done for.
Well, there was no news anywhere of any WoTC walkout, and the @Wizardsjustice twitter account hasn't posted anything at all to their account since their call to arms. So I'm starting to think that this went nowhere.
Quote from: RPGPundit on July 04, 2022, 07:03:32 PM
Well, there was no news anywhere of any WoTC walkout, and the @Wizardsjustice twitter account hasn't posted anything at all to their account since their call to arms. So I'm starting to think that this went nowhere.
Wisely, for once, swept under the rug by WotC. Watch for birth control magic items showing up in 5E modules and some discreet firings over the next few months.
Quote from: jeff37923 on July 05, 2022, 05:38:42 AM
Quote from: RPGPundit on July 04, 2022, 07:03:32 PM
Well, there was no news anywhere of any WoTC walkout, and the @Wizardsjustice twitter account hasn't posted anything at all to their account since their call to arms. So I'm starting to think that this went nowhere.
Wisely, for once, swept under the rug by WotC. Watch for birth control magic items showing up in 5E modules and some discreet firings over the next few months.
The irony would be that birth control methods were already included in "sex supplements" for the 3E era - but Wizards was "above these juvenile things" (even if I maintain that "The Book of Erotic Fantasy was quite good - "classy" horrifying photos excluded). Someone wrote a guide to sex for 5E available as a free PDF but I guess it has been nuked as it is no more available (there is a copy on Scribd behind a paywall). Seeing WotC now scrambling to publish sex stuff for 5E would be worth it. ;D
So here's a weird thought I had. I firmly believe that this forum gets tons of readers, meaning the sjdubs that hate us. So they see our comments. The reason I believe this to be true is because there's mention of this forum on .... other forums. So I have no reason to doubt that people from WotC read this forum. And I hope they see our comments and they see how stupid they are. One can only hope.
The funny thing is, birth control and abortion was widely practiced in ye olde medieval times. And past it, too. The Puritans (yes, those ones) had legal abortion up until the first kick.
Quote from: BoxCrayonTales on July 05, 2022, 04:18:51 PM
The funny thing is, birth control and abortion was widely practiced in ye olde medieval times. And past it, too. The Puritans (yes, those ones) had legal abortion up until the first kick.
What's really disingenuous about the whole thing is:
1. People protesting in states where nothing has changed as a result of the SCOTUS ruling that, contrary to popular opinion amongst the left, abortion isn't mentioned in the Constitution as a right. The lack of self-awareness is palpable
2. Celebrities and politicians who live in foreign countries showing solidarity with protestors when their own abortion laws are *more* restrictive.
3. The "horror stories" being imagined about poor incest rape victims having misshapen children when the reality is >98% are elective as a form of birth control for the convenience of the woman.
The fact that abortion was legal amongst the Puritans merely reinforces that it was up to the citizens of the state to decide, through their state legislators. What I find incredible is that Reps and Senators have *proven* that they wouldn't be representing the citizens of their states or of their state governments by sighting they would support abortion even when the states or the prime they represent do not.
I think it also shows how easy it is to find yourself stuck in an echo chamber. They just can't understand how any reasonable person could disagree with whatever they believe this week.
I go out of my way not to talk about political stuff at work. I even work for a company that has a related political advocacy operation. There are approved/recommended political candidates and positions on different policy issues related to our business. I don't even talk about that stuff. Talking about any of that stuff is guaranteed to tick off 30%-50% of your clients in a "battleground" area like mine.
I've told clients, "I don't get paid to have opinions. I get paid to get your paperwork right."
Ok hear me out. There is a computer program that generates scientific research papers. If WOTC could reconfigure it to write gaming books, then they could fire their costly SJW staff and produce marginally better game books...
https://pdos.csail.mit.edu/archive/scigen/
Quote from: Svenhelgrim on July 06, 2022, 08:49:29 AM
Ok hear me out. There is a computer program that generates scientific research papers. If WOTC could reconfigure it to write gaming books, then they could fire their costly SJW staff and produce marginally better game books...
https://pdos.csail.mit.edu/archive/scigen/
When has WotC ever gotten a computer-based initiative to work?
Quote from: Svenhelgrim on July 06, 2022, 08:49:29 AM
Ok hear me out. There is a computer program that generates scientific research papers. If WOTC could reconfigure it to write gaming books, then they could fire their costly SJW staff and produce marginally better game books...
https://pdos.csail.mit.edu/archive/scigen/
unironically hilarious