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Author Topic: Wokist OSR-haters Keep Thwarting Themselves  (Read 4828 times)

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Re: Wokist OSR-haters Keep Thwarting Themselves
« Reply #30 on: June 24, 2022, 03:25:28 AM »
Sadness. :'( F in the chat for Big Chungus. (no, you don't have to. just youth meme culture.)
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Re: Wokist OSR-haters Keep Thwarting Themselves
« Reply #31 on: June 24, 2022, 06:57:15 PM »
I've got some bad news for you, I guess you missed it, but Big Chungus passed away back in March.

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Re: Wokist OSR-haters Keep Thwarting Themselves
« Reply #32 on: June 25, 2022, 08:10:00 AM »
Never underestimate their ability to co-opt anything. All they need is a foothold to start poisoning minds and then the disease spreads. Its no different from how storygamer cultist came to infest RPGs.

Who are the big names in the OSR?

DCC, Swords & Wizardry, White Box FMAG, Basic Fantasy, OSE, LotFP, Labirynth Lord, Castles & Crusades, Sine Nomine, Autarch, Pundit, Grim (did I miss any?)


Pffft lol
And countless smaller publishers.

Who among all of those can claim to be the Pope of the OSR? Who among those can impose their will on the rest?

Taking over a company is easy, just get a cultist hired in HR, then little by little the company will switch to do the parasite's biding and not pursuing what would be best for it's survival.

Now paint me a plausible scenario where they manage to do so with the OSR. A decentralized movement with no head or tail, or rather hundreds of heads, a Hydra where if you cut one head two more will grow.

Lets say they get DCC, Swords & Wizardry, White Box, Basic Fantasy, OSE & Sine Nomine. That's 6 of the big names, so they go down the woke path... Then what? What happens next? All the rest just follow like sheep?

Not likely, what is likely to happen is the others will rise to grab that market and some of the smaller ones will also try and do so.

The OGL means they can't win, they can take the WotC's and Paizo's (and are welcome to) because those have a centralized structure, the OSR doesn't, for fucks sake you can't make them agree on AC or ACC! And that's just the D20 based games.

Add the OpenD6, Cepheus Engine and other open SRDs...

Nope, they can destroy the big names (and I pray they do), this will only work as a wild fire clearing the path for new younger, healthier plants to fill the voids.

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« Reply #33 on: July 19, 2022, 08:40:45 PM »
There's also the military gaming nerds.  Every base that I was stationed at back in the 80s and 90s had a game store right outside of the gates.  The store owners knew that the mil-spec types had disposable income and a powerful desire for entertainment that was unlimited and portable.

All the D&D players in my town in the ‘80s came from the military at first. My first DM in high school was a sergeant from the local Marine recruiter’s office.

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« Reply #34 on: July 20, 2022, 11:26:54 AM »
I adamantly refuse to watch Youtube videos, because Youtube is the devil, but I'll chime in anyway:

People used to think that only corporations were going woke, but never movies, comic books, or RPGs. Then comic books went woke and people said "Oh but movies appeal to the lowest common denominator, it won't happen here." Then the same thing happened to comics. People in RPG communities were saying "No, it can't happen here, we use our imagination and just won't play with those people."

Lo and behold, the common denominator RPGs (in already a small market!) have been subverted and those that haven't been subverted are small fringe movements that don't sell many copies and are at constant risk of being deplatformed by larger publishers, algorthim'd on social media, and so on.

Now people are saying it won't happen in OSR. Well, you can screencap this. It will happen. I'm not certain how, but I think it'll be typical subversion. The first thing it'll be are demands that are reasonable like "Maybe we should take out the Tranny Monster who curses people to swap genitalia, it's crude and immature." Then it'll be "well, the orcs are a negative stereotype... it's wrong to say that they're ALL evil," then it'll be something else. And you can say "Well, I'll ignore it." But the problem is that THEIR message is going to be amplified, while yours will be silenced. And yes, you might still get people, but if push comes to shove, they can just declare, say.. this website a hotbed for hate speech and rabble-rousing and pester the provider to shut it down. Oops.

But of course, what's more insidious is the fact that they are better organized in "education." This hypothetical new-OSR is going to have popular-looking and interesting "webinars" and presentations, which are also going to be amplified over social media. They're going to have popular (not with you) Youtubers and other influencers. They'll have more funding. And then with this new crowd of younger nu-OSR people rushing in, the OSR movement will be just as co-opted. "Give me a child until he is seven and I will show you the man."

"Sure," you might say, "I'll just keep doing my own thing." If you're fine with just playing with a tiny group of people, sure, more power to you. But that's true of any RPG. Cut out the dumb shit, keep the good shit, whatever. But you're not going to get any new players or new ideas or influence. You're gonna get smear campaigns and so on. }

Go ahead and read this while you're at it: https://meaningness.com/geeks-mops-sociopaths

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Re: Wokist OSR-haters Keep Thwarting Themselves
« Reply #35 on: July 20, 2022, 11:48:56 AM »
I adamantly refuse to watch Youtube videos, because Youtube is the devil, but I'll chime in anyway:

People used to think that only corporations were going woke, but never movies, comic books, or RPGs. Then comic books went woke and people said "Oh but movies appeal to the lowest common denominator, it won't happen here." Then the same thing happened to comics. People in RPG communities were saying "No, it can't happen here, we use our imagination and just won't play with those people."

Lo and behold, the common denominator RPGs (in already a small market!) have been subverted and those that haven't been subverted are small fringe movements that don't sell many copies and are at constant risk of being deplatformed by larger publishers, algorthim'd on social media, and so on.

Now people are saying it won't happen in OSR. Well, you can screencap this. It will happen. I'm not certain how, but I think it'll be typical subversion. The first thing it'll be are demands that are reasonable like "Maybe we should take out the Tranny Monster who curses people to swap genitalia, it's crude and immature." Then it'll be "well, the orcs are a negative stereotype... it's wrong to say that they're ALL evil," then it'll be something else. And you can say "Well, I'll ignore it." But the problem is that THEIR message is going to be amplified, while yours will be silenced. And yes, you might still get people, but if push comes to shove, they can just declare, say.. this website a hotbed for hate speech and rabble-rousing and pester the provider to shut it down. Oops.

But of course, what's more insidious is the fact that they are better organized in "education." This hypothetical new-OSR is going to have popular-looking and interesting "webinars" and presentations, which are also going to be amplified over social media. They're going to have popular (not with you) Youtubers and other influencers. They'll have more funding. And then with this new crowd of younger nu-OSR people rushing in, the OSR movement will be just as co-opted. "Give me a child until he is seven and I will show you the man."

"Sure," you might say, "I'll just keep doing my own thing." If you're fine with just playing with a tiny group of people, sure, more power to you. But that's true of any RPG. Cut out the dumb shit, keep the good shit, whatever. But you're not going to get any new players or new ideas or influence. You're gonna get smear campaigns and so on. }

Go ahead and read this while you're at it: https://meaningness.com/geeks-mops-sociopaths
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Re: Wokist OSR-haters Keep Thwarting Themselves
« Reply #36 on: July 20, 2022, 12:43:57 PM »
"Give me a child until he is seven and I will show you the man."

Don't you mean "Give me a child until he is seven and I will show you the genderfluid snowflake."

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« Reply #37 on: July 20, 2022, 01:05:53 PM »
"Give me a child until he is seven and I will show you the man."

Don't you mean "Give me a child until he is seven and I will show you the genderfluid snowflake."

Well, it depends on what you teach the child.

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« Reply #38 on: July 20, 2022, 02:41:59 PM »
"Give me a child until he is seven and I will show you the man."

Don't you mean "Give me a child until he is seven and I will show you the genderfluid snowflake."

Well, it depends on what you teach the child.
Ok - "Give me a child until he is seven and I will show you the allosexual furry."  ;D

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« Reply #39 on: July 20, 2022, 02:43:40 PM »
"Give me a child until he is seven and I will show you the man."

Don't you mean "Give me a child until he is seven and I will show you the genderfluid snowflake."

Well, it depends on what you teach the child.
Ok - "Give me a child until he is seven and I will show you the allosexual furry."  ;D

I mean. I have to imagine that there were children in Ancient Egypt's priesthood...