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Author Topic: Woke Rokugan Supplement Prohibits Seppuku  (Read 4148 times)

MeganovaStella

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Re: Woke Rokugan Supplement Prohibits Seppuku
« Reply #30 on: August 11, 2022, 05:38:16 PM »
Rokugan? More like Wokeugan.

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Re: Woke Rokugan Supplement Prohibits Seppuku
« Reply #31 on: August 12, 2022, 09:50:46 PM »
But Edge has apparently one-upped them by actually "prohibiting seppuku aka hara-kiri, or ritual suicide, in a game ostensibly grounded in samurai culture!

Are they prohibiting it in fan made adventures in their equivalent to DM'S Guild, or do they say "this is not present in our world?"

I mean, they could have just "left it out" in their book and let the DM do whatever they want, it's odd that they would make an effort to describe it just to say "Don't do it."

If your players/DMs don't want to involve that in their games, well, good for them. I mean, same thing for the Shadowlands or Gaijin invasion. Leave out the bits you're not interested in.

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Re: Woke Rokugan Supplement Prohibits Seppuku
« Reply #32 on: August 26, 2022, 06:19:55 AM »
That's not the only aspect of Japanese culture they removed/replaced.

This was never intended to be a L5R book. It is a 5e D&D setting with all the gonzo bullshit that entails.

Then they shouldn't be calling it "Adventures in Rokugan".

So, they can appropriate feudal Japan and then de-appropriate parts they don't like inside that culture.

Apparently.

Might as well call it Oriental Adventures 5E.

It really is. And it blows my mind the same folks who were offended over reductive representations are now happy about reductive representations. The hypocrisy is maddening. Now I don't think such representations are necessarily bad. In fact I think they're all but unavoidable as all representations in RPGs are remixed and reductive to some degree. But that just means it will always be a no win situation.

But Edge has apparently one-upped them by actually "prohibiting seppuku aka hara-kiri, or ritual suicide, in a game ostensibly grounded in samurai culture!

Are they prohibiting it in fan made adventures in their equivalent to DM'S Guild, or do they say "this is not present in our world?"

They condemned it as too toxic to represent in any way.

In other words, they didn't just remove it, they passed judgment on it for everyone.

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Re: Woke Rokugan Supplement Prohibits Seppuku
« Reply #33 on: August 26, 2022, 09:29:35 AM »
That's not the only aspect of Japanese culture they removed/replaced.

This was never intended to be a L5R book. It is a 5e D&D setting with all the gonzo bullshit that entails.

Then they shouldn't be calling it "Adventures in Rokugan".

Why not? Adventures in Middle Earth was never meant to be MERP. This is much the same.

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Re: Woke Rokugan Supplement Prohibits Seppuku
« Reply #34 on: August 26, 2022, 09:49:08 AM »
I used to be a huge fan of L5R but this new edition killed it for me. Well soon as FFG got the license red flags were everywhere, like the setting was way too gay. I mean i expect some same sex stories but holy hell half the cast are alphabet people. Now that I have alot more experience in rpgs, it was never an amazing setting. It was just all we really had for a samurai game. As far as seppuku is concerned, it was always overplayed but to prohibit it's practice is equally as absurd. I remember playing or seeing games where everyone was just offing themselves at the drop of a hat, they wouldnt have any samurai left.

I was in the official or "official" discord i'm not sure if FFG claims that but it is where the L5R staff hang out too so it's official far as i'm concerned. Any deviation from the orthodoxy of what they believe L5R to be will cause them to start shrieking, I was trying to bounce an idea for a massive clan war for ascension to Shogun over the region kind of mirroring the sengoku period or any number of customs to adopt from actual period japanese history and was met with nonstop bitching about how it's "not actually japan"

Throw that on top of the settings quirks already like having an islander culture on what is closer to china in landmass and location, and the fact that the clans never actually war with each other, not really. That and everyone just plays a caricature of their clan/school, so if you tried to run a single clan game you'll end up with multiple identical pcs.


Yeah fuck that, I was looking at a few other games for my samurai fix like Bushido, Sengoku or using a more generic game to do it.
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Re: Woke Rokugan Supplement Prohibits Seppuku
« Reply #35 on: September 24, 2022, 09:24:44 PM »
That's not the only aspect of Japanese culture they removed/replaced.

This was never intended to be a L5R book. It is a 5e D&D setting with all the gonzo bullshit that entails.

Then they shouldn't be calling it "Adventures in Rokugan".

Why not? Adventures in Middle Earth was never meant to be MERP. This is much the same.

Exactly.

You do realize your counterpoint only supports mine, right?