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Author Topic: Woke Rokugan Supplement Prohibits Seppuku  (Read 4153 times)

Rob Necronomicon

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Re: Woke Rokugan Supplement Prohibits Seppuku
« Reply #15 on: August 10, 2022, 02:06:11 PM »
Jesus, Mary, and Joseph... Ritual suicide is PART of their fucking whole culture.

Why not just take the Katanas from them too? And maybe replace them with candy floss sticks. Maybe all the warring feudal kings can now start holding hands and singing 'ring a ring a rosie'.

I'm truly baffled.
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Re: Woke Rokugan Supplement Prohibits Seppuku
« Reply #16 on: August 10, 2022, 03:02:08 PM »
Jesus, Mary, and Joseph... Ritual suicide is PART of their fucking whole culture.

Why not just take the Katanas from them too? And maybe replace them with candy floss sticks. Maybe all the warring feudal kings can now start holding hands and singing 'ring a ring a rosie'.

I'm truly baffled.
Why are you baffled? This was never intended to be a L5R book. It is a 5e D&D setting with all the gonzo bullshit that entails. Mixing in some names and a paintjob from L5R doesn't change that it's a game for special snowflake adventurers doing whatever they want (except ritual suicide) with no ties to anyone. I mean, if every PC stands as an island of narcissistic individuality and is beyond social expectations as is typical of 5e characters, then why would something like ritual suicide even be considered?

Again, this is a 5e D&D issue,  not a problem with the company changing what L5R is about. Play that, even their 5e, and you can have your character commit ritual suicide...with your lord's permission, of course.

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Re: Woke Rokugan Supplement Prohibits Seppuku
« Reply #17 on: August 10, 2022, 05:46:44 PM »
This is a bad idea

Rob Necronomicon

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Re: Woke Rokugan Supplement Prohibits Seppuku
« Reply #18 on: August 10, 2022, 06:33:46 PM »

Why are you baffled? This was never intended to be a L5R book. It is a 5e D&D setting with all the gonzo bullshit that entails.

That's one thing of course...

But the baffling part is who the fuck sanitizes their games like that, and history as well? Who sanctions this stuff and thinks "I'm a good person and I'm saving the world. Tra la la..."

So ironic with all this 'cultural appropriation' crap. So, they can appropriate feudal Japan and then de-appropriate parts they don't like inside that culture. lol

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Re: Woke Rokugan Supplement Prohibits Seppuku
« Reply #19 on: August 10, 2022, 11:44:50 PM »

Why are you baffled? This was never intended to be a L5R book. It is a 5e D&D setting with all the gonzo bullshit that entails.

That's one thing of course...

But the baffling part is who the fuck sanitizes their games like that, and history as well? Who sanctions this stuff and thinks "I'm a good person and I'm saving the world. Tra la la..."

So ironic with all this 'cultural appropriation' crap. So, they can appropriate feudal Japan and then de-appropriate parts they don't like inside that culture. lol
The simple answer is that they say an opportunity to make some money and to offer a taste test of L5R to D%D players. Perhaps they hope it might also work to lure some players into trying L5R, but that is way below the priority of "make easy money now."

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« Reply #20 on: August 11, 2022, 05:04:41 AM »
;D Lol, OK, whatever "Safety Bumpers Rokugan".  ::) L5R 1e is best. Keep remaking that wheel guys, one day you'll remember why its shape is so efficient!  8)
LOL, imagining samurai warriors covered in bubble wrap to protect them from the harshness of the setting.   ;D

They fight with balsa bokken and squeaky hammer tetsubos.  ;D Then we gotta NERF courtiers next. Their words are actual violence!  ::)

(That was the actual charm of the setting. Honor and face was so important that words and custom actually held overt violence in check by social custom. Remove seppuku and you might as well run the might-makes-right Shadowlands. Oh wait, they included the Spider clan and redeemed Fu Leng already by 3e thru 4e.  ::) Yeah... L5R 1e is best.  8) )
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Re: Woke Rokugan Supplement Prohibits Seppuku
« Reply #21 on: August 11, 2022, 05:26:13 AM »
;D Lol, OK, whatever "Safety Bumpers Rokugan".  ::) L5R 1e is best. Keep remaking that wheel guys, one day you'll remember why its shape is so efficient!  8)
LOL, imagining samurai warriors covered in bubble wrap to protect them from the harshness of the setting.   ;D

They fight with balsa bokken and squeaky hammer tetsubos.  ;D Then we gotta NERF courtiers next. Their words are actual violence!  ::)

(That was the actual charm of the setting. Honor and face was so important that words and custom actually held overt violence in check by social custom. Remove seppuku and you might as well run the might-makes-right Shadowlands. Oh wait, they included the Spider clan and redeemed Fu Leng already by 3e thru 4e.  ::) Yeah... L5R 1e is best.  8) )
Much as 5e L5R gets flack for some of its design choices, they did a good thing by removing some of the obnoxious bits of the timeline that were direct results of the card tourney outcomes. AFAIK, there is no Spider Clan in L5R 5e. For that matter, I don't know if it's in the D&D 5e product that started this thread either. If it's not, then that's at least one small plus for it.

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Re: Woke Rokugan Supplement Prohibits Seppuku
« Reply #22 on: August 11, 2022, 06:04:14 AM »
So the 5E version isn't actually L5R? Good to know in case this gets run at any gaming club I am at. I can avoid without fuss.


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« Reply #23 on: August 11, 2022, 06:19:09 AM »
So the 5E version isn't actually L5R? Good to know in case this gets run at any gaming club I am at. I can avoid without fuss.
Adventures in Rokugan is a book by Edge for D&D 5e.

Edge also produces L5R 5e, which is its own game.

The two share some bits of fluff, but they are VERY different.

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Re: Woke Rokugan Supplement Prohibits Seppuku
« Reply #24 on: August 11, 2022, 06:25:51 AM »
"make easy money now."

Well, that's one way to do it.

Personally, I'd rather not sanitize my product but that's just me.
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Re: Woke Rokugan Supplement Prohibits Seppuku
« Reply #25 on: August 11, 2022, 06:40:25 AM »
"make easy money now."

Well, that's one way to do it.

Personally, I'd rather not sanitize my product but that's just me.
You are not a company owned by another company that only cares about the money. Thus goes back to don't hate the player (or manufacturer), hate the game.

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Re: Woke Rokugan Supplement Prohibits Seppuku
« Reply #26 on: August 11, 2022, 06:47:42 AM »

You are not a company owned by another company that only cares about the money. Thus goes back to don't hate the player (or manufacturer), hate the game.
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Indeed... I don't hate the company per se. I never even played LoTFR. I just find 5e and all its trappings to be pretty toxic for RPing in general. Although, having said that, there does now seem to be a trend of some of 3rd party stuff going 'grim and gritty'. And I really hope that pisses Wotc off even a just wee bit.  ;D
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Re: Woke Rokugan Supplement Prohibits Seppuku
« Reply #27 on: August 11, 2022, 09:49:23 AM »
So the 5E version isn't actually L5R? Good to know in case this gets run at any gaming club I am at. I can avoid without fuss.
Adventures in Rokugan is a book by Edge for D&D 5e.

Edge also produces L5R 5e, which is its own game.

The two share some bits of fluff, but they are VERY different.

I know.

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Re: Woke Rokugan Supplement Prohibits Seppuku
« Reply #28 on: August 11, 2022, 10:09:37 AM »
So the 5E version isn't actually L5R? Good to know in case this gets run at any gaming club I am at. I can avoid without fuss.
Adventures in Rokugan is a book by Edge for D&D 5e.

Edge also produces L5R 5e, which is its own game.

The two share some bits of fluff, but they are VERY different.

I know.
Sorry, I thought there may have been confusion as 5e here can refer to the fifth edition of either game.

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Re: Woke Rokugan Supplement Prohibits Seppuku
« Reply #29 on: August 11, 2022, 05:27:34 PM »
5e L5R was never going to be a good adaptation of OG L5R gameplay...

It's designer is a 4e fan.

They scrubbed a lot of the feudal Japan lore to make the 5e version more "generically Asian".

NuRogukan Is a fantasy anime fighting game wearing the L5R IP as a Skinsuit.

And they admit it:


Might as well call it Oriental Adventures 5E. There are so many problems with calling this 'L5R' or 'Rokugan'.

I admit I laughed out loud at 'Heroes might be members of the samurai clans iconic to L5R, but they might also be commoners, champions from faraway lands, or even members of other species not usually spotlighted in L5R.'

I am nowhere close to being a true L5R grognard and I know that sentence is hilariously wrong. Rokugan's theme has always been xenophobic as hell, and there are damned few options for PC races besides human.