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Re: Woke D&D Is Starting to Go Broke
« Reply #120 on: November 24, 2022, 12:45:00 AM »
Thanks for the shoutout Shark!!

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Greetings!

Great video, Jeff!

I have heard Joe the Lawyer before. He's a great guy, and he is also spot on here with his ideas and philosophy. I agree entirely.

I run my own game world of Thandor in much the same way. Lots of terrible, monstrous races, that are irredeemable. There's no moral squirming or debate. On occasion, for example, with Orcs, if there is an Orc that is not evil or otherwise conforming to the cultural Orc standards--they are brutally killed and eaten. The Orcs don't need to be tolerant. They aren't interested in other creature's feelings. They don't care that you disagree. Those that are weaker than the Orcs get crushed. The weak are enslaved and plundered, or otherwise killed and eaten.

Semper Fidelis,

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Greetings!

*Laughing* Hey there, Joe The Lawyer! Good to see you! Yes, you are very welcome! I have heard your podcasts on Anchor before, besides knowing you from EN World. So good to see you going strong!

"EN World Refugee"? *Laughing* Interesting! You too, heh? Geez. EN World has banned or inspired so many excellent members to leave that place. Once upon a time, EN World was a fantastic, fun, vibrant web site.

Before the Leftists fully took control. So sad.

I hope you and your family have a wonderful and blessed Thanksgiving Day together!

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I agree.  Once upon a time that place was cool. Then all the cool kids left and came here haha.  I remember you well from there.  You wouldn't post too often but then when you did it was like a geyser.  Then we wouldn't see you again for a while.  :)   Have a great thanksgiving buddy! 
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Re: Woke D&D Is Starting to Go Broke
« Reply #121 on: November 24, 2022, 08:18:11 AM »
Tubesock Army is OBVIOUSLY banned, for doxxing. It's not just doxxing, though, apparently he infiltrated a facebook group that was specifically for the purpose of fundraising related to the teaching I do on eastern spirituality. It was part of my income for many years as is typical in that tradition (where a teacher gives the teaching for free, and students with the means to do so financially assist the teacher, not much different than what you see in churches).
This to try to claim that I'm not actually making a full time living today off of RPGs, but he shared doxxed posts dated years ago.

I've always been very open about how much money I make from RPGs, if you read my blogs or watched my videos, you'd know that over the course of about 10 years RPGs have gone from being insignificant income to being my full-time job and complete income. As of 2018 RPGs were maybe 1/3rd of my income, which was mostly month-to-month.

As of early 2020, it was over 2/3rds of my income, which was now a little past month to month. It was from that point on that the rpgpundit presents line of books started to generate more and more income, the compilation books started, then Star Adventurer, then Invisible College, and this year Sword & Caravan. My youtube channel kept expanding and my sales skyrocketed.
Now RPGs are the vast majority of my income, income which is about double what I'd spend to live off in a month.

If you want proof that contrary to Tubesock's claims, what I wrote above is what I have ALWAYS said about my income, check out this video from March 2021 where I talk about "how to make a living off RPGs", and I repeat exactly what I'm saying now:


(incidentally, you'll note that in the video I am stunned by just how much money I'm earning in March of 2021, which was already more than I ever needed in a regular month; I just checked and my income for Oct 2022 is likely to be about 1.5 times the March '21 amount.

You'll notice Tubesock didn't post anything after 2020, because as I went beyond month-to-month type income to having five-figure fucking-around money, the purpose of that particular group he was quoting from disappeared. The last actual post that wasn't just a repost from somewhere else was in October 2021, The last post by anyone other than myself was Feb 2021, and the last actual request for any special fundraising was November 2020.

I never pretended I'm rich (ironically, the Wokists keep trying to flip flop between the two lies of "pundit is a trust fund baby who lives off an inheritance" and "pundit is an impoverished beggar"). I don't lie, not ever. I can tell you: I own a three bedroom house, in what was a good deal, that I'm still paying the mortgage off but not doing bad at that, and I make a very comfortable salary off RPGs in the thousands of dollars per month. In 2021 and 2022 roughly every other month was a new record for "most money I've ever made off RPGs", with October 2022 already (even without the month's end stuff) a new record. 
I'm not super-rich (I never expected to be, I spent my entire life running away from riches in search of other things, and living a bohemian monastic lifestyle) but I incredibly find myself with something I never ever expected from the time I started pursuing my personal spiritual cultivation instead of a career: I have a growing bank account with tens of thousands of dollars in savings I don't need to do anything with, and I don't need to concern myself about paying for anything I want.

To bring it back to this topic: the more Anti-Woke I became, the LESS BROKE I became. The more I succeeded. To the point that I make a full-time living off RPGs that would be entirely sufficient to fund my lifestyle comfortably even if I had no other means of income available, and there's no sign of it slowing down.

Congratulations man! Honestly, it's kinda creepy just how zealous the Woke movement is. Political correctness and "pro-trans rights" ideas have really made a lot of them gone insane. I guess I can understand the appeal: Being able to pretend to be a good person, without contributing anything remotely positive to live, and also acting like a pitiful bully who doesn't have to think for himself and reflect on his own flaws. I'm just glad I was able to find an in real life group to play Pathfinder 1E with, as well as have an online discord group that I started myself with 500+ people due to my homebrew creations. No woke there.

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Re: Woke D&D Is Starting to Go Broke
« Reply #122 on: November 24, 2022, 09:55:59 PM »

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Re: Woke D&D Is Starting to Go Broke
« Reply #123 on: November 24, 2022, 10:25:57 PM »

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Re: Woke D&D Is Starting to Go Broke
« Reply #124 on: November 24, 2022, 10:47:35 PM »
I don't subscribe to go-woke go broke, but the 5e handbook has a lifetime of sales. Its stupid to point as D&D as going broke because of wokeness, or as evidence of wokeness paying the bills. Because the 5e handbook isn't really woke. Its a crap game system (always was) but its not woke.

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« Reply #125 on: November 25, 2022, 01:03:16 AM »
The 5e Player's Handbook is currently ranked #9 on Amazon in the nation for....all books of any kind.

But yeah tell me how it's going broke.

Maybe it's #9 because it's 69% off for a Black Friday sale?

I am sure that is the reason. And? With a new half-edition coming out you'd think everyone who wanted the PHB would have by now. Apparently not. It's now up to 8th in all books. That's a whole lot of books from the sale.

MM is number 15 in all books.

DMG is number 17 in all books.
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Re: Woke D&D Is Starting to Go Broke
« Reply #126 on: November 25, 2022, 01:50:47 AM »
I don't subscribe to go-woke go broke, but the 5e handbook has a lifetime of sales. Its stupid to point as D&D as going broke because of wokeness, or as evidence of wokeness paying the bills. Because the 5e handbook isn't really woke. Its a crap game system (always was) but its not woke.
This is the correct answer. Other than a single “you can be whatever you want to be paragraph” the 5e Player’s Handbook is pretty much Woke-free.

It’d be just as valid an argument to say it’s up in the rankings now because people who’ve heard what a woke shitshow OneD&D is turning into want to pick up some extra copies of the last non-woke edition before it’s banished to the outer darkness by the current woke cultists promising to throw multiple sensitivity readers at everything and a willingness to change anything that doesn’t comply before its too late.

One D&D is repeating many of the same mistakes that happened with 4E; a focus on digital tools with a subscription model (it was going to have a virtual tabletop at launch too), an attempt to drop the OGL/SRD for a separate license that marginalized 3rd party support, etc… all while heading into an economic downturn severe enough to impact discretionary spending.

Woke will just be an extra nail in the coffin, but it’s got plenty of other fatal wounds already.

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« Reply #127 on: November 25, 2022, 02:59:07 AM »
I don't subscribe to go-woke go broke, but the 5e handbook has a lifetime of sales. Its stupid to point as D&D as going broke because of wokeness, or as evidence of wokeness paying the bills. Because the 5e handbook isn't really woke. Its a crap game system (always was) but its not woke.
This is the correct answer. Other than a single “you can be whatever you want to be paragraph” the 5e Player’s Handbook is pretty much Woke-free.

It’d be just as valid an argument to say it’s up in the rankings now because people who’ve heard what a woke shitshow OneD&D is turning into want to pick up some extra copies of the last non-woke edition before it’s banished to the outer darkness by the current woke cultists promising to throw multiple sensitivity readers at everything and a willingness to change anything that doesn’t comply before its too late.

One D&D is repeating many of the same mistakes that happened with 4E; a focus on digital tools with a subscription model (it was going to have a virtual tabletop at launch too), an attempt to drop the OGL/SRD for a separate license that marginalized 3rd party support, etc… all while heading into an economic downturn severe enough to impact discretionary spending.

Woke will just be an extra nail in the coffin, but it’s got plenty of other fatal wounds already.

Honestly I have to agree. Same with the Pathfinder 1st edition books, aside from the odd paragraph in an adventure path which nobody cares about, they are pretty much woke free. That is why I bought all the Dungeons & Dragons 5th edition books, and Pathfinder 1st edition books, in printed copy. So I know they won't be able to mess with those.

I do belief in the "go woke go broke" theory, as things really started to go south for WOTC when they allowed these woke cultists to gain more and more influence, to the point that they will now severely alter the game's content. Removing the racial based ability score increases, which were added in the first place because they are different species (duh!), was a big line they crossed. Even though there were already rules in Tasha's Cauldron of Everything that allowed you to do change the ability score increases of your race (which is your species), even if it was not thematic.

The reason why these companies "somehow" survive for so long is because they get money from taxpayers through the ESG ratings. Basically, they get money if they make sure there are as few white people (or men in positions of power with pride) as possible, preferably by race swapping existing white characters. Which is why we now see God of War Ragnarok having Loki's canonical future wife be black, or have the boar guy who flirts with thor's wife be black. That, and they also use it as a shield against criticism of poor gameplay. Here is a video someone made about that:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3ZpuDc3YvLg

That said, ESG ratings and the money it gets you can only go so far.
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Re: Woke D&D Is Starting to Go Broke
« Reply #128 on: November 25, 2022, 03:40:44 AM »
It’d be just as valid an argument to say it’s up in the rankings now because people who’ve heard what a woke shitshow OneD&D is turning into want to pick up some extra copies of the last non-woke edition before it’s banished to the outer darkness by the current woke cultists promising to throw multiple sensitivity readers at everything and a willingness to change anything that doesn’t comply before its too late.

While I'm sure that's not the reason it's still selling well, this does tempt me to buy some more 2014 5e PHBs to stock up against the Coming Night. 5e didn't go full Woke until Crawford got to be in charge of everything, years after the PHB-DMG-MM were published.

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Re: Woke D&D Is Starting to Go Broke
« Reply #129 on: November 25, 2022, 09:21:30 AM »
The 5e Player's Handbook is currently ranked #9 on Amazon in the nation for....all books of any kind.

But yeah tell me how it's going broke.

“#1 Bestseller in Dungeons & Dragons game.”

This reminds me of the time that Amazon listed Strixhaven as the #1 bestseller in Greek & Roman Mythology. 

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Re: Woke D&D Is Starting to Go Broke
« Reply #130 on: November 25, 2022, 09:41:40 AM »
It’d be just as valid an argument to say it’s up in the rankings now because people who’ve heard what a woke shitshow OneD&D is turning into want to pick up some extra copies of the last non-woke edition before it’s banished to the outer darkness by the current woke cultists promising to throw multiple sensitivity readers at everything and a willingness to change anything that doesn’t comply before its too late.

While I'm sure that's not the reason it's still selling well, this does tempt me to buy some more 2014 5e PHBs to stock up against the Coming Night. 5e didn't go full Woke until Crawford got to be in charge of everything, years after the PHB-DMG-MM were published.
I wouldn’t place money on it either, but it’s more likely correct than “they’re buying a non-Woke book because they so support the Woke” is.

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Re: Woke D&D Is Starting to Go Broke
« Reply #131 on: November 25, 2022, 05:36:59 PM »
The 5e Player's Handbook is currently ranked #9 on Amazon in the nation for....all books of any kind.

But yeah tell me how it's going broke.

“#1 Bestseller in Dungeons & Dragons game.”

This reminds me of the time that Amazon listed Strixhaven as the #1 bestseller in Greek & Roman Mythology.

It was #8 in all books of any kind, not just in D&D Games. They raised the price for actual Black Friday to$19 and now it's back down to #17 in all books.

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Re: Woke D&D Is Starting to Go Broke
« Reply #132 on: November 26, 2022, 03:15:20 PM »
The 5e Player's Handbook is currently ranked #9 on Amazon in the nation for....all books of any kind.

But yeah tell me how it's going broke.


Well sure its doing well, that's the book I mainly worked on.

But the newer books are not doing as well, and when OneDnD comes out, other than the initial Autistic Obsessive Fuck Rush who would buy anything at all just because it has the logo, it's going to do even worse.

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« Reply #133 on: November 26, 2022, 07:35:19 PM »
The 5e Player's Handbook is currently ranked #9 on Amazon in the nation for....all books of any kind.

But yeah tell me how it's going broke.


Well sure its doing well, that's the book I mainly worked on.

But the newer books are not doing as well, and when OneDnD comes out, other than the initial Autistic Obsessive Fuck Rush who would buy anything at all just because it has the logo, it's going to do even worse.

Hold on, you worked on the player's handbook for 5th edition? I honestly didn't know that.

Also, I have to agree. I notice that the newer books are not nearly as popular as the older works.

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Re: Woke D&D Is Starting to Go Broke
« Reply #134 on: November 26, 2022, 11:49:45 PM »
Once I learned about the ethically-dubious business model of Magic: the Gathering*, I started to wonder if wokifying D&D is a broader brand management exercise for Wizards/Hasbro. M:tG is much more financially important to them. The editorial line for D&D won't be determined in isolation.

* see other recent thread in Other Games
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